If no conservative or libertarian thinks any industry should be subsidized, then I submit to you that virtually the entirety of the "conservatives" in Congress are not actually conservative, because virtually all of them have supported subsidies of one kind or another. Go look at their voting records.
@Redfingers Touche`. But I submit that if, for example, other countries want to subsidize certain industries (agriculture, car manufacturing) then we should do the same, for the sake of a level playing field. But for the Left, any gov't. involvement in industry is not enough, because they want to use it as a political football, healthcare and financial regulation in particular. They'll fight tooth and nail to get it. Let's not just give it to them.
So you're supporting subsidies? Now that I disagree with. So if China subsidizes rice production we should subsidize it as well?
If Germany subsidizes high tech industries, we should subsidize them as well?
I disagree with this as a principle, I think it could lead to some really bad policies, and I think that it leads to the kind of thinking that justifies subsidies in the first place. That's market inequality and doesn't help anybody.
@Redfingers So you're supporting subsidies? Now that I disagree with. So if China subsidizes rice production we should subsidize it as well? If Germany subsidizes high tech industries, we should subsidize them as well?
In principle, no. US tech companies get by just fine w/o them, so don't change anything. Until the S. Korean gov't. gets out of the car biz and the Frenchies get out of agriculture, are we supposed to do nothing?
Compromise...the Washington definition of which is conservatives shutting up and caving in on principle. Has anybody told Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi she needs to compromise? Did nObama compromise on Obamacare?
I'm reminded of an old joke that if liberal democrats passed a constitutional amendment to allow flag-burning, Republicans would insist on a 'compromise' to phase it in over 3 years.
"KIRK TO ENTERPRISE: SCOTTY, BEAM ME UP. THERE'S NO INTELLIGENT LIFE DOWN HERE."
Yes, n0bama did compromise on "Obamacare." That's why it changed from a proposal for a universal healthcare system to a subsidy to private health insurance companies.
That's because it wasn't so much a compromise as the fact that both Republicans and Democrats agreed on private health insurance company subsidies. Also, Republicans liked it because it was a hot button election issue/Fox News talking point, and Democrats liked it because it pacified their base.
@Redfingers Semantics. You won't find a conservative or libertarian who thinks any industry should be subsidized. At the end of the day, the feds are big cheese in health care, unless obamacare is overturned. If it isn't, there won't be any health care companies, which is what nObama wanted all along.
And yet you vote continually for politicians that think that certain industries should be subsidized. The most recent, and most amusing example is the influx of new Tea Party sponsored candidates in the House of Representatives who, under the leadership of John Boehner (R) and Eric Cantor (R), opposed the ending of subsidies for oil and gas companies numbering in the billions of dollars in very high profile fashion.
What I'm telling you is that virtually none of them are "Tea Party types." Most of the people that go on the ballot as Republicans are, in your description, liberals. How does that make you feel? Do you vote for these liberals masquerading as Republicans? Does it make you angry that they get away with passing liberal policies by duping the Republican electorate?
Have you ever considered doing anything about it? Why don't you protests these liberal Republicans?
@Redfingers "Virtually none"? I don't know about that. And don't get me wrong. We don't need 535 tea partiers. Just enough to take charge and put the country on the right track, and be leaders.
Just follow the Buckley Rule: nominate the most electable conservative you can get.
She has done nothing but rubber stamp every one of Obama's Bills. She wants to raise taxes while she and her husband hide their wealth. She has failed to pay her taxes on property. Billed the People for personal flights on her private jet. She needs to be voted out of office before she does more damage!!
Political parties are quite possibly the biggest pieces of shit ever fathomed. They break one of the fundamentals of America: INDEPENDANCE. If you're going to have your vote swayed by a political party, the system has failed. Occupy Wall Street is a huge example of this. The system has failed. Occupy Wall Street is proof. If OWS fails, what comes next? Will the people still be peaceful? You tell me.
@H2OJuto Political parties are natural, though; every government has them and they help to split different ideologies that people have. If anything, we should be happy that America has as little as two major ones at a time - other countries like Germany and Japan are spread across more than five major political parties. Ïmagine how hard it would be to get things done then?
If no conservative or libertarian thinks any industry should be subsidized, then I submit to you that virtually the entirety of the "conservatives" in Congress are not actually conservative, because virtually all of them have supported subsidies of one kind or another. Go look at their voting records.
Redfingers 4 weeks ago
@Redfingers Touche`. But I submit that if, for example, other countries want to subsidize certain industries (agriculture, car manufacturing) then we should do the same, for the sake of a level playing field. But for the Left, any gov't. involvement in industry is not enough, because they want to use it as a political football, healthcare and financial regulation in particular. They'll fight tooth and nail to get it. Let's not just give it to them.
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
@exmarine66
So you're supporting subsidies? Now that I disagree with. So if China subsidizes rice production we should subsidize it as well?
If Germany subsidizes high tech industries, we should subsidize them as well?
I disagree with this as a principle, I think it could lead to some really bad policies, and I think that it leads to the kind of thinking that justifies subsidies in the first place. That's market inequality and doesn't help anybody.
Redfingers 4 weeks ago
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@Redfingers So you're supporting subsidies? Now that I disagree with. So if China subsidizes rice production we should subsidize it as well? If Germany subsidizes high tech industries, we should subsidize them as well?
In principle, no. US tech companies get by just fine w/o them, so don't change anything. Until the S. Korean gov't. gets out of the car biz and the Frenchies get out of agriculture, are we supposed to do nothing?
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
Compromise...the Washington definition of which is conservatives shutting up and caving in on principle. Has anybody told Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi she needs to compromise? Did nObama compromise on Obamacare?
I'm reminded of an old joke that if liberal democrats passed a constitutional amendment to allow flag-burning, Republicans would insist on a 'compromise' to phase it in over 3 years.
"KIRK TO ENTERPRISE: SCOTTY, BEAM ME UP. THERE'S NO INTELLIGENT LIFE DOWN HERE."
exmarine66 4 weeks ago in playlist Top YouTube Town Hall Videos: December
@exmarine66
Yes, n0bama did compromise on "Obamacare." That's why it changed from a proposal for a universal healthcare system to a subsidy to private health insurance companies.
That's because it wasn't so much a compromise as the fact that both Republicans and Democrats agreed on private health insurance company subsidies. Also, Republicans liked it because it was a hot button election issue/Fox News talking point, and Democrats liked it because it pacified their base.
Redfingers 4 weeks ago in playlist Top YouTube Town Hall Videos: December
@Redfingers Semantics. You won't find a conservative or libertarian who thinks any industry should be subsidized. At the end of the day, the feds are big cheese in health care, unless obamacare is overturned. If it isn't, there won't be any health care companies, which is what nObama wanted all along.
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
@exmarine66
And yet you vote continually for politicians that think that certain industries should be subsidized. The most recent, and most amusing example is the influx of new Tea Party sponsored candidates in the House of Representatives who, under the leadership of John Boehner (R) and Eric Cantor (R), opposed the ending of subsidies for oil and gas companies numbering in the billions of dollars in very high profile fashion.
Redfingers 4 weeks ago
@Redfingers That's a symptom of too many liberals and too few TP types. And a Marxist in the WH.
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
@exmarine66
What I'm telling you is that virtually none of them are "Tea Party types." Most of the people that go on the ballot as Republicans are, in your description, liberals. How does that make you feel? Do you vote for these liberals masquerading as Republicans? Does it make you angry that they get away with passing liberal policies by duping the Republican electorate?
Have you ever considered doing anything about it? Why don't you protests these liberal Republicans?
Redfingers 4 weeks ago
@Redfingers "Virtually none"? I don't know about that. And don't get me wrong. We don't need 535 tea partiers. Just enough to take charge and put the country on the right track, and be leaders.
Just follow the Buckley Rule: nominate the most electable conservative you can get.
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
@exmarine66
I don't know of any aside from Ron and Rand Paul, and Ron Paul is retiring from Congress in 2012.
Redfingers 4 weeks ago
@Redfingers Ahhh...a true believer. Ron's foreign policy ideas are screwy, but he's great otherwise.
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
Votes with her party 83% of the time
Redfingers 1 month ago in playlist Top YouTube Town Hall Videos: December
She has done nothing but rubber stamp every one of Obama's Bills. She wants to raise taxes while she and her husband hide their wealth. She has failed to pay her taxes on property. Billed the People for personal flights on her private jet. She needs to be voted out of office before she does more damage!!
brethenia 3 months ago
@brethenia Amen to that.
exmarine66 4 weeks ago
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TryHardProductions1 3 months ago
Kutos to you. Others should definitely do the same.
beyondbaskets 3 months ago
Political parties are quite possibly the biggest pieces of shit ever fathomed. They break one of the fundamentals of America: INDEPENDANCE. If you're going to have your vote swayed by a political party, the system has failed. Occupy Wall Street is a huge example of this. The system has failed. Occupy Wall Street is proof. If OWS fails, what comes next? Will the people still be peaceful? You tell me.
H2OJuto 3 months ago
@H2OJuto Political parties are natural, though; every government has them and they help to split different ideologies that people have. If anything, we should be happy that America has as little as two major ones at a time - other countries like Germany and Japan are spread across more than five major political parties. Ïmagine how hard it would be to get things done then?
MezaseMaster 1 month ago in playlist Top YouTube Town Hall Videos: December