haha yeah! i dont rate french cars as a whole! dont get me wrong, the 205Gti is GREAT fun to hammer round the twistys! but well, as iv said before, i prefer the feel of a ford! funny you say that, me and a friend went over a speedbump a little too quick (about 15mph) in his citroen saxo, and he said "feels like the breaks are on".... turns out the right wheel wasn't turning when he turned the wheel, only the left! Deathtraps!!!
and as for the new golf's... Theyre massive chunks of electronically restricted metal.
The only golf that ever made any status after the Mk1 golf, was the Vr6 and the R32's... which ditched the restrictive controll systems in favour of the technology they used in the golf(R32) and well, The vr6's were monsterous the second you turned off the traction control, the extra weight helped the handling out whilst the torque was just everywhere.
and as for the assistance front...Pinafarina designed the Peugeots. Giugiaro Designed the Vw's. And aerodynamicly they suck. Cosworth designed the fords, and put their badge on it, and you critisize? Look at which ones have become ledgendary. The capri Rs,The escort RS The escort cosworth,the sierra cosworth,the focus RS, The MK1 golf Gti, and the 205gti. Ford is the only manufacturer that stayed intouch with the feel that made the old cars so great. The new peueots, the honda's - just machines
Now onto the note about prehistoric technologies. Peugeot STILL use the tried, tested and proven fail of independent trailing arm/torsion bar set up, which are known to bend, and cause rear end twitchyness and bad weight distribution as soon as they begin to bend. this is why so many people rolled both the 205 and 206's, and how the 205 non Gti models gained their nickname " The boat" Not to mention crashing in a peugeot/citroen is like sitting in a tin can with a rocket on and firing at a wall.
As for the 206gti.... it was a flop. The civic type R was faster, looked better, and was wayy more fun, was was The focus RS. Golfs Flopped after the Mk1, and all reviews state they arent nearly as much fun. I remember watching a Mk3 vs a Mk1 on topgear or fifth gear, and the Mk1 was faster. The 206 is much like the new Mini. Its for gay/camp men, and girly girls.
Hmm you seem to have a few sour grapes stashed up behind you!
can you prove that ford pay off tv producers in order to receive good reviews?
And as for the load of baloney you fired out about the FFOC review or what have you, dont know where that came from, but when i owned an orion 1600i, not only did it have abs, airbags, but it also had a traction controll system.
@CrashJSTest Ford UK always bring out these stupid 'Limited edition' hot hatches to keep people hooked. They have a 300Bhp Focus RS and now they have this 'Limited edition' 350Bhp Focus RS which only a few will be made... No one else does it only Ford. And get this, Went into a Model shop to start my model railway off and the whole car model shelf (I'm not joking) had more Fords on it then any other model of car. Hmmm I smell a rat? Do you? lol
@1ns4ne1d10t Limited edition hatches are usually released in order to qualify a certain car for a certain race series. If ford were competing in some rally somewhere, and needed a 350bhp focus, if the rules state that the car competing, must be a vehicle also on sale to the general public, For example the ford siera RS500. 500 made, 500bhp road going rallycar basicly. Iconic?
@stuntcrazy8 No they don't Ford just release "Limited editions" to keep people hooked on the brand. Because they sell so much rubbish which nearly always disappoints the first time Ford buyer they have to keep on selling these 'Must have' Fords in order to stay in business. Its like they are hiding behind a smoke screen using a trojan horse to fool everyone because I notice how they pay TV to say nice things about them being like BMW and Audi when they are one of the terrible trio.
@CrashJSTest Not sure about Ford over the Atlantic but Ford of UK over here pay Topgear and other TV review shows to 'brainwash' people into saying Fords are great to drive, best to handle, equipped with this, equipped with that blah blah blah. They have always used 'Hothatch' Fords as icons like Escort RS's, Sierra Cosworths, Focus RS's and other limited edition slop to woo the Ford lovers in to keep them in business to make people think "Wow they are iconic" so people carry on buying them.
@1ns4ne1d10t Dont think theres any brainwashing going on tbh. Ford have always ruled the Hot hatch market simply because they go one step further. in the Escort and fiesta Rs days for example, ford were churning out turbocharged, sporty looking cars, whereas peugeot for example, were churning out the 205 gti with a heavy 1.9 N/A engine, Vw with the 16v gti. Generally speaking, Fords are way better equipped, for the same money as most of their competitors.
@stuntcrazy8 Ford never ruled the hot hatch market at all the 206 GTI was the no.1 king hot hatch and the Golf GTi was the no.2 king hot hatch Ford never came into those brilliant car categories. Ford couldn't do anything good without assistance from Cosworth and generally speaking Ford never equipped cars without sticking a price tag on them to go with it which was more than better specced German and Japanese cars.
@1ns4ne1d10t And as for performing better, i read an article the other day regarding the Ford Orion. The Ford orion was produced to bridge the gap between the cortina and the sierra, as ford didnt offer escorts or sierras in saloon form. The ford orion, in tests was safer, had a lesser stopping distance, was over £300 cheaper (back in the day) and a 1.6 ghia orion was faster 0-60 than the GSI cavalier, accompanied by better fuel mileage, and higher reliability. Not to mention cheaper parts.....
@stuntcrazy8 Where did you read that then? The FFOC? They print the worst comedy lies about Fords in the world. Its quite worrying how Ford can beat a GSI Cavalier when they can't uprate the entire car for the speed increases. While the GSI probably had ABS and Front/rear disks the Orion was still riding on lethal rear drum brakes with no ABS and thats why so many people died in Fords they all thought they were getting such a car for the money but Fords are all cost cut with safety compromised.
@CrashJSTest What you said relates to the poster I had on Facebook about the big three which said "You wouldn't buy our shitty cars so we are taking your money anyway" and at the bottom in small print it said "The big three, because we don't need to compete" Sums it all about about American car companies like Ford and the like.
@CrashJSTest I remember when the media scratched Mercedes with claws in 1997 for over sensitive ABS brakes on the E classes. Then in the same year they tore Mercedes apart again because one A class flipped over during a 37mph hard slalom around the cones. Yet Ford EU were never mentioned for fire risks in 2005-2010 Focuses for failing PAS hoses, Fan modules in 1.6 TDCi's causing fires, TUC brake vaccum pumps causing all out brake loss not to mention EAC and steering failures in Fiestas/Fusions
@CrashJSTest Toyota have always had a sealed reputation, as German and Japanese alike have the best overall reputation worldwide so if any recalls are made with them, its the end of the world. Whereas Ford have always been one of the dreadful trio which have no known reputation of any sort so it makes them ok to 'hide' these atrocities. Ford are terrified of publicity and will do anything to hide scandals they will bribe their way out of it or threaten the media with legal action.
@CrashJSTest In Austrailia they had a scandal with the Ford Falcons where they deliberately made Falcons faulty after 150,000 - 170,000 miles which was well past Fords warranty and I think it was to do mainly with the fans and transmission. They deliberately made them so that the car screws up completely and a simple modification costing around $200 could avoid the entire problem. But Ford didn;t want anyone to know about this 'Modification' because it mean't the Falcons will last longer.
@CrashJSTest I forgot to add 000 on the end of 23,000. Ford often bullied parts vendors into lowering prices against quality/safety to keep vendors like Firestone in business then if something goes wrong they can finger point back at them so everyone is happy. In the 23,000,000 transmission recall they kept bullying vendors to lower prices and they never did proper repairs on machines they patched them up to make them work.
@CrashJSTest I know all about it, Ford came to the conclusion that $11 a car was not worth human life to remove spiked bolts behind the tank. Don't forget about the other scandal: runaway cruise control in the Explorers, and then there was the firestone tyres scandal where Ford forced Firestone to lower the quality so low that the treads fell off, along with the 23,000 transmissons recall scandal where the transmissions were dangerous.
i crashed one of these and i was so close to putting a 2by4 through my head in result of crashing into a verander of a house the point to my story is it pays to wear your seat belt ;)
The Mondeo is a really nice car, it doesn't break all the time, it just needs regular maintenance like any other car, I have acquired mine in 2008 with 56.000KM on it, it's at 213.416KM now and it runs very well, everything works, the only bad thing about this car is the fairly fragile suspension if you "rally" with it quite often.
I use it on a daily basis to work and my 2010 Jetta gives me way more headache than my Mondeo does.
Here is the chart of 1997 cars: 1.Volvo S40 -26 p. 2.VW Passat -19 p. 3.Opel Vectra -18 p. 4.Renault Laguna -17 p. 4.Audi A4 -17 p. 4.Ford Mondeo -17 p. 5.Mercedes-Benz C Class -16 p. 6.Peugeot 406 -15 p. 7.Saab 900 -12 p. 8.Rover 600 -11 p. 9. BMW 3 Series -10 p. 10. Citroen Xantia -9 p. I think there's all of them. You do the judge.
@JELH All Fords are overrated in the magazines and on TV before they are put out on sale and its not until a few years down the line from now they come out as being shit and unreliable. Always has been the same story with Fords line-up of sloppy cars for decades "They are more reliable then japanese" or "They are ahead of German quality" For how many years have I heard that trash? Its always being said every time they bring out new models.
@squeakdidit You say that but your Ford Escort was obviously built when the workers at Dagenham were in a good mood and not threatening the factory with strike action. Your reliable Escort doesn't speak for Fords general reputation for building bangers that don't last which either fall to pieces, rust to dust, burst into flames and break down in a cloud of steam. Everyone knows what Fords are like, and when you buy a Ford you know you are taking on a big risk. (FORD) - Circled the problem!
@1ns4ne1d10t I tould you to fuck off on these videos go fuck your seat leon crash test is 4/5 but the side impact is -5/5 buying a car as yours is like buying your death
@marcvie9 Crash tests do NOT guarantee you a 100% safe car which covers all areas of vehicle safety. Fords will burst into flames or explode into fireballs when they crash and they even do it when they don't crash so buying a Ford is that plus worse. Doesn't matter how it crumples or how many stars it got, the idea of a crash is you walk out alive. No good having 5 stars in a Ford when the damn thing blows up and you are all but ashes when its involved in a crash.
@marcvie9 I can helpfully supply you with the hard facts to you if you want - 1. Pinto (Rear end shunts caused fires) 2. Ford Escort (Frontal fire upon impact) 3. The Focus II/Cmax/CC were all recalled for failing PAS steering hoses in 2008 which were all potential fire hazards and the 1.6 TDCI diesels in all models were recalled for cooling fan modules which were additional fire risks to the failing PAS hoses. The information is supplied by VOSA if you want it clarified.
@marcvie9 It was the pre-1998 Ford Escort just before the 1st generation Ford Focus that did it. The very last Escort finesse was the last of the Escorts to crash and potentially burst into flames at the front. The only one that didn't suffer fire problems and wasn't recalled for fire risks was the 1st generation Focus. The later Focus II's based on the Volvo V50 and C30 were all potential barbecues until they were recalled for the faults found by VOSA.
@marcvie9 No because for a start Volvos used different cooling fan modules, and had less cheaper components. Whereas Fords have always been 'cost cut' with rubbish quality pipes and crappy quality parts, which are the first to chap or break which causes major problems.
@JELH Tell me about it, we looked at a dark blue 1999/V Ghia X 1.8TD with full leathers and full colour coding with all the gadgets to replace our Audi A4 1.9 SE. Sounds like a better car... No way was it. It didn't compare with our Audi A4 with anything, ride, quality, comfort or anything near it. It was just uncomparable junk and after viewing it we decided to keep to our Audi and walk away. Its a massive Ford Escort thats been blown up a size - no quality and a badly proportioned cabin.
Rust problems are due mainly to the shitty thin steel.
Mechanic-wise, our Mondeo didn't need expensive servicing, really reliable car. And even though the car is packed full of electronics and complex stuff, we can tackle it's problems(when they rarely appear). The bodywork will be done in a specialized shop though.
@GM572 I almost bought one once but even if its reliable the quality was off-putting. They are cheap enough and tick the right boxes but most examples had cracked bumpers, rust in iffy places or bad paint fade. I noticed that there are an awful lot of electrical faults and corrosion in general with these cars. Its a shame because I wanted one as it was in my £500-£700 budget but after looking at a few similarly priced german cars I soon walked away with one and I'm happy with the £550 316i.
@1ns4ne1d10t Nice to see you having an civiliced argument for once ;) I agree w/ the corrosion problem, 90's Mondeos tend to rust quite badly. And the pre-facelift mk2's front bumpers crack pretty easily, too. But the off-putting quality only really applies to lesser models, Ghia and GT models have a much more solid interior. I used to own a '98 GT, so i know. And fortunately Ford rolled their sleeves up, and fixed the corrosion problem when the mk3 was released in 2000
@Nakke144 I was looking at Zetec 1.8/2.0i and Ghia models at the time as they came in my budget. I was only looking for a 5 door banger and didn't care what make it was. I wouldn't go out of my way just to specifically buy a Mondeo because of the fact its a Mondeo. After looking at 7 different cars I walked away with a BMW 316 for £550 and I would make BMW and Audi my 1st port of calls. I'm not being anti-Ford when I saw that I would end up with one if I had to but Germans are better Tbh.
@Nakke144 One of the models I looked at was a Ghia X 2.5 V6 but it was too expensive to tax and it was too costly to insure/run. I was only looking for 2.0 litres or less. They never struck me as quality cars not even the Ghia X with the grey leather interior. A lot of the bits and bobs it was mean't to have never worked and the interiors had rips and tears everywhere. I found Audi's and BMW's to be tidier examples in general and everything worked spot on unlike the Fords I looked at.
@1ns4ne1d10t Yeah, you brits have the tax problem. We finns on the other hand, pay huge taxes, no matter what the car is, lol. And its true that BMW's and Audis from this period were better bulit then Mondeos, but if you can find a good example, the Mondeo can be a very good and reliable car aswell. But to be fair, the mk1&2 Mondeos are already quite dated, with huge emissions, and poor safety compared to modern cars, so i would save some more money, and get a mk3. Preferably an 03 or later.
@Nakke144 We have the tax banding that was set up by Labour Government. Once upon a time when I had my old Fiat Bravo 1.4 12V, Tax used to be 66.00 pounds for 6 months if you had an engine less than 1449cc's and anything over 1449cc's was 99.00 pounds (1.4 was 66, a 1.6 was 99). Now its different. They base it on both engine size and emmissions which is a bastard. A 3.0 Diesel BMW would cost you 128.00 for 6 months whereas it used to cost 99.00. They band the tax as A B C D E F G H I J K...
@Nakke144 I would put a 3 series, A4 and Saab 9-3 as a 1st choice. I will always put cheaper cars like Mondeo's and Vectras as 2nd choices. You can fish out a nice Saab 9-3 TiD quite cheap in Britain. There are plenty of bargains flying around. You just have to know where to look. Its just that people always think of Ford when it comes to A-B cars but no one ever thinks of Audi/BMW/Saab because of the costly image. Thats rubbish, because you can get them as cheaply as most Mondeo's.
@1ns4ne1d10t I wouldnt buy a 9-3, it has a Vectra floorpan, and because of that the handling is seriously dissapointing. Wich is a shame, because the 9-3 is a real looker, if you ask me. I like the 3-series & the A4, and dont blaim anyone if they buy one, i would consider one myself, along with the Mondeo and the Mazda 6. The Vectra is crap, and the Passat is dull to drive, so i'll discard those. Oh, and we should not forget the Alfa 156, fantastic car, despite its reliability issues.
@Nakke144 The newer 9-3's after 2003 are all GM crap but the ones before that are fine. The older ones are all chaindriven like BMW and more reliable. I have the 316i and my dad has the A4 1.9 and we have them in the same household funnily enough. The A4 is much better on its ride quality and handling then the 3 series, trust me. The Alfa 156 is good but tbh I wouldn't buy Fiat products again after having 4 of them previously. They are reliable but build quality and electrics are an off.
@Nakke144 I like the JTD 2.4 5 cylinder, they had those engines in the Fiat Marea 125JTD as well as the 156. Prior to the Seat Leon FR, starting from my 1st car to now. I started with a 1995 Fiat Punto, had 3 Fiat Bravo's, then had the Leon. Bravo number 3 was nearly traded in for a 1.8 Zetec Ford Mondeo but I ended up ditching the idea and got the Leon instead. Along with the Leon I had a Merc Sprinter van which was sold for £800 and I later bought the 316i for £550 which I still have now.
@1ns4ne1d10t One of my relatives still has an old Bravo, its a fun car to drive. Much better then that turd called the Stilo, wich replaced it. My cars have mostly been Fords. The JTD 2.4 is nice, but i'd say that the pick of the bunch when talking about the 156 are the twin-spark petrols. Even the 1.6TS is a surprisingly frisky machine. Its a shame that the current 159 is so overweight, that it spoils the handling, id love to have one of those too, easily the best looking car in its class imo
@Nakke144 I loved them so much I had 3 of them. I had a 1997/R 1.4 12V SX (ESR), 2000/X 1.6 100 16V SX (A/C), then the very last one I had was the 2001/Y jet black 1.6 100 16V HLX (ESR). I had the windows tinted on the HLX which cost me £140 at South coast tints but I never chavved any of my Fiats up with 18 inch chrome alloys and silly air filters with aftermarket shit. The burning-ring style lights were my favourite feature although the rings took 3 bulbs wach and were always half faded. LOL
@Nakke144 Hated the Stilo, Bravo's had a nicer looking interior. I loved the green dials on mine and the radio which was top-mounted, It was easily reachable. I miss the heated seats on my HLX and the ESR but it went to a good home and its still running. Alfa 1,6 TS are the same unit but with TS and the normal 100 1.6 was good enough in the Fiat without TS. Fiat/Alfa were never good with handling or build. Like Mondeo's, the Fiat/Alfa sheet metal was thin but they were treated with anti-rust.
@1ns4ne1d10t Alfa not good with handling? Have to disagree with you on that mate, the 147&156 are so much fun to drive. Ok, the 147 isnt quite as sharp as a ex.Focus, but its still great. Even the old 155 is a real peach when it comes to handling, hence its huge success in touring cars. The even older Alfa 75 on the other hand, is completely mental, i have never driven a car that oversteers so easily. Try one out sometime, its hilarious, but scary.
@Nakke144 I would like to try a 156 out I've never driven one yet. Fiats were always shit on handling though, my Bravo's were terrible. The steering used to rattle itself almost apart on pot holes. The tracking and alignment would become unstable and loose after a few miles on the rough roads. It was the one pet hate I had about Fiats. I've never thought about an Alfa that much. I always think they have steering like Fiats and it puts me off them.
@1ns4ne1d10t Fortunately, they dont. I have only driven the newish Grande Punto Evo, and it was nice to drive, though not as good as a Mazda 2, Fiesta or Ibiza.
But wasnt the Bravo HGT great to drive, at least thats the image i have got of it? Its handling was so much praised back in the day.
@Nakke144 When I first got the Leon, it was a heaven sent having tightly aligned steering. For the 1st time ever, I had steering alignment which didn't shake to pieces on pot holes. I remember having this decision: I didn't know weather I wanted a 1.8 Zetec or a Fiat Bravo HGT. I wanted the Mondeo as it was 5 doors and bigger but without bad steering setups. Or I could have another Bravo that was faster and makes a nice noise but shakes the entire alignment apart every 1,000 miles.
@Nakke144 Thinking back to the days had Fiats, I would have happily got a Bravo HGT then if I grew out of 3 door hatches, I would have then got a 20V Fiat Marea (Saloon Bravo/a) instead. I drive a Rover 220SDi sometimes which is my sisters car and although it handles badly, I can live with it. I can live with bad handling, I just can't live with chocolate steering that hits 1,000 miles of cracks and pot-holes and the whole thing practically needs replacing again. Thats what put me off Fiats.
@1ns4ne1d10t I see your point. For me, handling is one of the most, if not THE, most important aspect of a car. If a car has dull/crap handling or steering, i always ignore it, no matter how good the rest of the car might be. I mean the fact that i drove a BMW 118d for quite a while says enough. It sure is/was pig-ugly, but the handling and performance was fantastic.
@Nakke144 I don't mind crap handling, it gives me a challenge. I don't like things that do it all too easily, there is no real thrill in it. I like something that takes concentration and focus to drive it. I don't like to rely on clever chassis settings and engineering that balances the car out for me. It feels like someone else has done all the work and all I'm doing is driving an automated robot. I don't like that feeling, making a bad handling car outhandle a good car is always a skill.
@Nakke144 Some people think all this mordern handling is so exciting but its all a gimmick for me. I don't like to feel that there is something happening in the car which is levelling the suspension out in some way to help me go round corners faster. It makes me feel like I am riding a bicycle with stabilizers on it, it makes you feel wrapped up in bubble wrap and cacooned. I like a sence of danger and adrenaline without barriers. This whole 'Good handling' thing holds zero thrills for me.
Three days ago I had an accident mondeo mk1 at speeds 90km / h confronted head-on and I'm alive and nothing wrong happened to me. It's really hard car and I can not reconcile with his loss, so much with me, he survived and has saved my life at the end. RIP my lovely mondeo.
after an incident on the A1 a traffic cop called my wifes mondeo a GT ! er no its a GLX she replied ! ...he said now you've cracked the bumper and will no doubt repair it using Gaffa Tape ...it will become a GT lol .......some cops have a sense of humour thank god :)
@VOLVORULEZ1995 The Mondeo Mk 1 was made with thin sheet metal and thin plastics for the bumpers. It did look good and it was a good shape with all its chrome touches but Ford didn't care about the quality of them and they never really made them to last. The washer jets would often leak onto the HT leads causing misfire and permanent head damage which is a shame because I nearly bought one once.
@j7qqq 4 stars intially but then lowered to 2 or 3 I think. I have the original publication of these euro ncap tests for this size group of cars from 1997 and of all tested the Mondeo came second after the Volvo S40. The Saab 900 was last.
I know, when I was going to buy a large 4 door car about 2 years ago I looked at a few 1.8 Zetecs & some Vectras. All the zetecs I looked at had duck tape supporting the entire bumper, not one had reasonable condition bumpers on it. None of the electrics worked, the gearboxes and brakes were awful like Ford Kas so I ditched the idea in the end. Thank god I did!
@GM572 no... it isn't a good car i've got mondeo from april 2000 and it stays in service all the time... only 167000km bought from new... ;/ problem from 140k and after 10 years i've got rust everywhere ;/
I really wish I would be able to disagree on the rust issue, but I can't. The metal sheet is crap. My dad has a 1996 Mk1 Mondeo Ghia with around 250k km on board and the chassis is basically made of rust. We bought new parts to weld 'cuz is so rusty it won't pass the MOT. From the design and engineering point of view, the car is great, but the material used is shitty. I have 2 Sierras(Merkur XR4Ti actually), both 10 years older than my dad's Mondeo and they have like no rust at all.
Mondeos are crap & awful, the cost cuts were terrible which is why the depreciation was so quick. The bumpers crack like eggs because Ford mould the bumpers with the thinnest pressings they can get to save on plastic then sprayed cheap, yellow insulation sponge-foam behind the bumpers to make them feel more solid. They are shit cars.
@1ns4ne1d10t yes, bumpers are crap... the rest of the car is solid, you wont find much stronger, which is why they are a banger racers car of choice for 2lt bangers!
@mini300bhp My dads Audi A4 is as solid as fuck so Fords aren't the only cars in the entire world that are the only ones to be solid. They are a top banger racers car because they are cheap. Bearing in mind that I just nearly bought a 1997 Ford Mondeo 2.0 Ghia as a runaround but I bought a 1996 BMW 318 for £550 instead.
@mini300bhp A4's make rubbish bangers because they are too soft? Completely the opposite, They are solid cars with a solid chassis & I can tell you don't know much about them. If you looked under the bonnet, an A4 has a solid wall which is built behind the engine and this acts as extra re-inforcement to the cars stuctural integrity. Did I see one of these under the bonnet of a Mondeo? No. And Audi's had better side impact protection then Mondeo's so price does come into it.
@1ns4ne1d10t A4's are too soft, I race. These shape Mondeo's are spot on though. Hard on the front. And because of that big front subframe everything moves back together so it doesn't lose drive like other front wheel drive cars, they just keep going. Also look at the A4 crash test from this year, proves its a softer car. You have no knowledge, experience or argument. Although as a road car I think these Mondeo's are cheaply made crap although pretty reliable.
@cortinamatt Solid!? The sheet metal they used for the Mondeo was thin and tinny along with the die-cast plastic used for the bumpers. Ford did this to save money. Audi A4's had crash walls built behind the engines to improve the structure. Fords didn't. Ill stop and ask a Mondeo if its won a fight with an A4 in a pub shall I? If it tells me it won i'll know the A4 is softer. Lol
@1ns4ne1d10t Well i've stripped out many cars including Audi/VW stuff and never heard of or seen this crash wall you speak of. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. They may be constructed differently to a Mondeo in some ways but I don't think that there is a particular part of an A4 that is called a crash wall. Crash wall sounds like a very technical term though so i'm sure you know better.
@cortinamatt I have already seen the NCap on the 1996 A4. Its the one where nothing falls off it when it hits the wall. Watch the A4 then watch the Ford, a headlight flies out, and 2 other pieces of debris fly from it. Nothing flies off the A4. Fords are not "more solid", if you watch the side impacts of the A4 vs Mondeo the A4 does better in the sides. A4 vs Mondeo = Bit of a 50/50 on that one.
@1ns4ne1d10t And Mondeo sheet metal may not be any more solid than other cars but the structure is very solid for a car of this age and thats what counts in hard accidents. I think an A4 is probably more solid cosmetically and yes less small bits fly off but the structure is weaker than the Mondeo's.
@cortinamatt I wouldn't be quick to agree with you there, Mondeo's didn't do as well as A4's in side impacts and the Mondeo's were worse for roof crush. There wasn't a vast amount of difference between them for head-on crashes but the A4 did actually do better in side and roof protection which is in its favour. You say the A4 is weaker but if you turned an A4 on its roof it wouldn't crush as much as a Mondeo.
let me remind you that a car with 2 standard airbags and a 2.5 almost scraping 3 star safety rating is quite good, but yes, you probably would have high forces on te neck!
@Milleeee yeah you are right strong car I hit the wall with 120 km\h with front bumper from the side and nothing happend to car just the bumper and the Cooler of it :D
feel the unsafe
gabymatey99 1 day ago
But lets not forget the french mentality..... They never seem too bothered about when theyre going to die! "oui.... shall happen someday"....> :L
stuntcrazy8 5 days ago
haha yeah! i dont rate french cars as a whole! dont get me wrong, the 205Gti is GREAT fun to hammer round the twistys! but well, as iv said before, i prefer the feel of a ford! funny you say that, me and a friend went over a speedbump a little too quick (about 15mph) in his citroen saxo, and he said "feels like the breaks are on".... turns out the right wheel wasn't turning when he turned the wheel, only the left! Deathtraps!!!
stuntcrazy8 5 days ago
and as for the new golf's... Theyre massive chunks of electronically restricted metal.
The only golf that ever made any status after the Mk1 golf, was the Vr6 and the R32's... which ditched the restrictive controll systems in favour of the technology they used in the golf(R32) and well, The vr6's were monsterous the second you turned off the traction control, the extra weight helped the handling out whilst the torque was just everywhere.
stuntcrazy8 2 months ago
and as for the assistance front...Pinafarina designed the Peugeots. Giugiaro Designed the Vw's. And aerodynamicly they suck. Cosworth designed the fords, and put their badge on it, and you critisize? Look at which ones have become ledgendary. The capri Rs,The escort RS The escort cosworth,the sierra cosworth,the focus RS, The MK1 golf Gti, and the 205gti. Ford is the only manufacturer that stayed intouch with the feel that made the old cars so great. The new peueots, the honda's - just machines
stuntcrazy8 2 months ago
Now onto the note about prehistoric technologies. Peugeot STILL use the tried, tested and proven fail of independent trailing arm/torsion bar set up, which are known to bend, and cause rear end twitchyness and bad weight distribution as soon as they begin to bend. this is why so many people rolled both the 205 and 206's, and how the 205 non Gti models gained their nickname " The boat" Not to mention crashing in a peugeot/citroen is like sitting in a tin can with a rocket on and firing at a wall.
stuntcrazy8 2 months ago
@stuntcrazy8 The peugeot had another problem and the French silenced it in any language..
Working with cars, I heard many stories of the steering shaft snapping leaving you in a rollercoaster with no controll.
My nephew was lucky he stopped against the guard rail on the motorway
my comarade was lucky because it happened in a parking outside am mall
215alessio 1 week ago
As for the 206gti.... it was a flop. The civic type R was faster, looked better, and was wayy more fun, was was The focus RS. Golfs Flopped after the Mk1, and all reviews state they arent nearly as much fun. I remember watching a Mk3 vs a Mk1 on topgear or fifth gear, and the Mk1 was faster. The 206 is much like the new Mini. Its for gay/camp men, and girly girls.
stuntcrazy8 2 months ago
Hmm you seem to have a few sour grapes stashed up behind you!
can you prove that ford pay off tv producers in order to receive good reviews?
And as for the load of baloney you fired out about the FFOC review or what have you, dont know where that came from, but when i owned an orion 1600i, not only did it have abs, airbags, but it also had a traction controll system.
stuntcrazy8 2 months ago
@CrashJSTest Ford UK always bring out these stupid 'Limited edition' hot hatches to keep people hooked. They have a 300Bhp Focus RS and now they have this 'Limited edition' 350Bhp Focus RS which only a few will be made... No one else does it only Ford. And get this, Went into a Model shop to start my model railway off and the whole car model shelf (I'm not joking) had more Fords on it then any other model of car. Hmmm I smell a rat? Do you? lol
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Limited edition hatches are usually released in order to qualify a certain car for a certain race series. If ford were competing in some rally somewhere, and needed a 350bhp focus, if the rules state that the car competing, must be a vehicle also on sale to the general public, For example the ford siera RS500. 500 made, 500bhp road going rallycar basicly. Iconic?
stuntcrazy8 3 months ago
@stuntcrazy8 No they don't Ford just release "Limited editions" to keep people hooked on the brand. Because they sell so much rubbish which nearly always disappoints the first time Ford buyer they have to keep on selling these 'Must have' Fords in order to stay in business. Its like they are hiding behind a smoke screen using a trojan horse to fool everyone because I notice how they pay TV to say nice things about them being like BMW and Audi when they are one of the terrible trio.
1ns4ne1d10t 3 months ago
@CrashJSTest Not sure about Ford over the Atlantic but Ford of UK over here pay Topgear and other TV review shows to 'brainwash' people into saying Fords are great to drive, best to handle, equipped with this, equipped with that blah blah blah. They have always used 'Hothatch' Fords as icons like Escort RS's, Sierra Cosworths, Focus RS's and other limited edition slop to woo the Ford lovers in to keep them in business to make people think "Wow they are iconic" so people carry on buying them.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Dont think theres any brainwashing going on tbh. Ford have always ruled the Hot hatch market simply because they go one step further. in the Escort and fiesta Rs days for example, ford were churning out turbocharged, sporty looking cars, whereas peugeot for example, were churning out the 205 gti with a heavy 1.9 N/A engine, Vw with the 16v gti. Generally speaking, Fords are way better equipped, for the same money as most of their competitors.
stuntcrazy8 3 months ago
@stuntcrazy8 Ford never ruled the hot hatch market at all the 206 GTI was the no.1 king hot hatch and the Golf GTi was the no.2 king hot hatch Ford never came into those brilliant car categories. Ford couldn't do anything good without assistance from Cosworth and generally speaking Ford never equipped cars without sticking a price tag on them to go with it which was more than better specced German and Japanese cars.
1ns4ne1d10t 3 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t And as for performing better, i read an article the other day regarding the Ford Orion. The Ford orion was produced to bridge the gap between the cortina and the sierra, as ford didnt offer escorts or sierras in saloon form. The ford orion, in tests was safer, had a lesser stopping distance, was over £300 cheaper (back in the day) and a 1.6 ghia orion was faster 0-60 than the GSI cavalier, accompanied by better fuel mileage, and higher reliability. Not to mention cheaper parts.....
stuntcrazy8 3 months ago
@stuntcrazy8 Where did you read that then? The FFOC? They print the worst comedy lies about Fords in the world. Its quite worrying how Ford can beat a GSI Cavalier when they can't uprate the entire car for the speed increases. While the GSI probably had ABS and Front/rear disks the Orion was still riding on lethal rear drum brakes with no ABS and thats why so many people died in Fords they all thought they were getting such a car for the money but Fords are all cost cut with safety compromised.
1ns4ne1d10t 3 months ago
@CrashJSTest What you said relates to the poster I had on Facebook about the big three which said "You wouldn't buy our shitty cars so we are taking your money anyway" and at the bottom in small print it said "The big three, because we don't need to compete" Sums it all about about American car companies like Ford and the like.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@CrashJSTest I remember when the media scratched Mercedes with claws in 1997 for over sensitive ABS brakes on the E classes. Then in the same year they tore Mercedes apart again because one A class flipped over during a 37mph hard slalom around the cones. Yet Ford EU were never mentioned for fire risks in 2005-2010 Focuses for failing PAS hoses, Fan modules in 1.6 TDCi's causing fires, TUC brake vaccum pumps causing all out brake loss not to mention EAC and steering failures in Fiestas/Fusions
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@CrashJSTest Toyota have always had a sealed reputation, as German and Japanese alike have the best overall reputation worldwide so if any recalls are made with them, its the end of the world. Whereas Ford have always been one of the dreadful trio which have no known reputation of any sort so it makes them ok to 'hide' these atrocities. Ford are terrified of publicity and will do anything to hide scandals they will bribe their way out of it or threaten the media with legal action.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@CrashJSTest In Austrailia they had a scandal with the Ford Falcons where they deliberately made Falcons faulty after 150,000 - 170,000 miles which was well past Fords warranty and I think it was to do mainly with the fans and transmission. They deliberately made them so that the car screws up completely and a simple modification costing around $200 could avoid the entire problem. But Ford didn;t want anyone to know about this 'Modification' because it mean't the Falcons will last longer.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@CrashJSTest I forgot to add 000 on the end of 23,000. Ford often bullied parts vendors into lowering prices against quality/safety to keep vendors like Firestone in business then if something goes wrong they can finger point back at them so everyone is happy. In the 23,000,000 transmission recall they kept bullying vendors to lower prices and they never did proper repairs on machines they patched them up to make them work.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@CrashJSTest I know all about it, Ford came to the conclusion that $11 a car was not worth human life to remove spiked bolts behind the tank. Don't forget about the other scandal: runaway cruise control in the Explorers, and then there was the firestone tyres scandal where Ford forced Firestone to lower the quality so low that the treads fell off, along with the 23,000 transmissons recall scandal where the transmissions were dangerous.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
i crashed one of these and i was so close to putting a 2by4 through my head in result of crashing into a verander of a house the point to my story is it pays to wear your seat belt ;)
sammyg691 8 months ago
The Mondeo is a really nice car, it doesn't break all the time, it just needs regular maintenance like any other car, I have acquired mine in 2008 with 56.000KM on it, it's at 213.416KM now and it runs very well, everything works, the only bad thing about this car is the fairly fragile suspension if you "rally" with it quite often.
I use it on a daily basis to work and my 2010 Jetta gives me way more headache than my Mondeo does.
97 GLX Zetec 2.0 Sedan
erikvianna 10 months ago
cata18tm 10 months ago
One of the most overrated cars ever made. Breaks down all the time, not that safe, HIDEOUS to look at. I hate it.
JELH 10 months ago
@JELH All Fords are overrated in the magazines and on TV before they are put out on sale and its not until a few years down the line from now they come out as being shit and unreliable. Always has been the same story with Fords line-up of sloppy cars for decades "They are more reliable then japanese" or "They are ahead of German quality" For how many years have I heard that trash? Its always being said every time they bring out new models.
1ns4ne1d10t 8 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t i;ve owned a ford escort for 5 years now and its been really reliable.
squeakdidit 7 months ago
@squeakdidit You say that but your Ford Escort was obviously built when the workers at Dagenham were in a good mood and not threatening the factory with strike action. Your reliable Escort doesn't speak for Fords general reputation for building bangers that don't last which either fall to pieces, rust to dust, burst into flames and break down in a cloud of steam. Everyone knows what Fords are like, and when you buy a Ford you know you are taking on a big risk. (FORD) - Circled the problem!
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t I tould you to fuck off on these videos go fuck your seat leon crash test is 4/5 but the side impact is -5/5 buying a car as yours is like buying your death
marcvie9 7 months ago
@marcvie9 Crash tests do NOT guarantee you a 100% safe car which covers all areas of vehicle safety. Fords will burst into flames or explode into fireballs when they crash and they even do it when they don't crash so buying a Ford is that plus worse. Doesn't matter how it crumples or how many stars it got, the idea of a crash is you walk out alive. No good having 5 stars in a Ford when the damn thing blows up and you are all but ashes when its involved in a crash.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t I want to see the proof that Fords will burst into flames or explode into fireballs...
marcvie9 7 months ago
@marcvie9 I can helpfully supply you with the hard facts to you if you want - 1. Pinto (Rear end shunts caused fires) 2. Ford Escort (Frontal fire upon impact) 3. The Focus II/Cmax/CC were all recalled for failing PAS steering hoses in 2008 which were all potential fire hazards and the 1.6 TDCI diesels in all models were recalled for cooling fan modules which were additional fire risks to the failing PAS hoses. The information is supplied by VOSA if you want it clarified.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t the ford escort is a old strong working car but i saw it catching fire but the car is like 50 years old...
marcvie9 7 months ago
@marcvie9 It was the pre-1998 Ford Escort just before the 1st generation Ford Focus that did it. The very last Escort finesse was the last of the Escorts to crash and potentially burst into flames at the front. The only one that didn't suffer fire problems and wasn't recalled for fire risks was the 1st generation Focus. The later Focus II's based on the Volvo V50 and C30 were all potential barbecues until they were recalled for the faults found by VOSA.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@1ns4ne1d10t So you try to tell me Volvo cars are also barbecues? Volvo is bought by Ford for $6.45 billion in 1999
marcvie9 7 months ago
@marcvie9 No because for a start Volvos used different cooling fan modules, and had less cheaper components. Whereas Fords have always been 'cost cut' with rubbish quality pipes and crappy quality parts, which are the first to chap or break which causes major problems.
1ns4ne1d10t 7 months ago
@JELH Tell me about it, we looked at a dark blue 1999/V Ghia X 1.8TD with full leathers and full colour coding with all the gadgets to replace our Audi A4 1.9 SE. Sounds like a better car... No way was it. It didn't compare with our Audi A4 with anything, ride, quality, comfort or anything near it. It was just uncomparable junk and after viewing it we decided to keep to our Audi and walk away. Its a massive Ford Escort thats been blown up a size - no quality and a badly proportioned cabin.
1ns4ne1d10t 8 months ago
See some shot in 0:06! a wheel cover are open!
streesmut70 10 months ago
good to see i bought a reasonably safe temporary car yesterday :)
MrChiel78 1 year ago
mondeos were more dangerous when they raced and crashed because they were a little to rigid ?? strange but apparently true
theamazinbagman 1 year ago
@theamazinbagman They arent race cars, but family cars. Im still very happy with mine
Redwolven 1 year ago
Rust problems are due mainly to the shitty thin steel.
Mechanic-wise, our Mondeo didn't need expensive servicing, really reliable car. And even though the car is packed full of electronics and complex stuff, we can tackle it's problems(when they rarely appear). The bodywork will be done in a specialized shop though.
GM572 1 year ago
@GM572 I almost bought one once but even if its reliable the quality was off-putting. They are cheap enough and tick the right boxes but most examples had cracked bumpers, rust in iffy places or bad paint fade. I noticed that there are an awful lot of electrical faults and corrosion in general with these cars. Its a shame because I wanted one as it was in my £500-£700 budget but after looking at a few similarly priced german cars I soon walked away with one and I'm happy with the £550 316i.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Nice to see you having an civiliced argument for once ;) I agree w/ the corrosion problem, 90's Mondeos tend to rust quite badly. And the pre-facelift mk2's front bumpers crack pretty easily, too. But the off-putting quality only really applies to lesser models, Ghia and GT models have a much more solid interior. I used to own a '98 GT, so i know. And fortunately Ford rolled their sleeves up, and fixed the corrosion problem when the mk3 was released in 2000
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 I was looking at Zetec 1.8/2.0i and Ghia models at the time as they came in my budget. I was only looking for a 5 door banger and didn't care what make it was. I wouldn't go out of my way just to specifically buy a Mondeo because of the fact its a Mondeo. After looking at 7 different cars I walked away with a BMW 316 for £550 and I would make BMW and Audi my 1st port of calls. I'm not being anti-Ford when I saw that I would end up with one if I had to but Germans are better Tbh.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@Nakke144 One of the models I looked at was a Ghia X 2.5 V6 but it was too expensive to tax and it was too costly to insure/run. I was only looking for 2.0 litres or less. They never struck me as quality cars not even the Ghia X with the grey leather interior. A lot of the bits and bobs it was mean't to have never worked and the interiors had rips and tears everywhere. I found Audi's and BMW's to be tidier examples in general and everything worked spot on unlike the Fords I looked at.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Yeah, you brits have the tax problem. We finns on the other hand, pay huge taxes, no matter what the car is, lol. And its true that BMW's and Audis from this period were better bulit then Mondeos, but if you can find a good example, the Mondeo can be a very good and reliable car aswell. But to be fair, the mk1&2 Mondeos are already quite dated, with huge emissions, and poor safety compared to modern cars, so i would save some more money, and get a mk3. Preferably an 03 or later.
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 We have the tax banding that was set up by Labour Government. Once upon a time when I had my old Fiat Bravo 1.4 12V, Tax used to be 66.00 pounds for 6 months if you had an engine less than 1449cc's and anything over 1449cc's was 99.00 pounds (1.4 was 66, a 1.6 was 99). Now its different. They base it on both engine size and emmissions which is a bastard. A 3.0 Diesel BMW would cost you 128.00 for 6 months whereas it used to cost 99.00. They band the tax as A B C D E F G H I J K...
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@Nakke144 I would put a 3 series, A4 and Saab 9-3 as a 1st choice. I will always put cheaper cars like Mondeo's and Vectras as 2nd choices. You can fish out a nice Saab 9-3 TiD quite cheap in Britain. There are plenty of bargains flying around. You just have to know where to look. Its just that people always think of Ford when it comes to A-B cars but no one ever thinks of Audi/BMW/Saab because of the costly image. Thats rubbish, because you can get them as cheaply as most Mondeo's.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t I wouldnt buy a 9-3, it has a Vectra floorpan, and because of that the handling is seriously dissapointing. Wich is a shame, because the 9-3 is a real looker, if you ask me. I like the 3-series & the A4, and dont blaim anyone if they buy one, i would consider one myself, along with the Mondeo and the Mazda 6. The Vectra is crap, and the Passat is dull to drive, so i'll discard those. Oh, and we should not forget the Alfa 156, fantastic car, despite its reliability issues.
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 The newer 9-3's after 2003 are all GM crap but the ones before that are fine. The older ones are all chaindriven like BMW and more reliable. I have the 316i and my dad has the A4 1.9 and we have them in the same household funnily enough. The A4 is much better on its ride quality and handling then the 3 series, trust me. The Alfa 156 is good but tbh I wouldn't buy Fiat products again after having 4 of them previously. They are reliable but build quality and electrics are an off.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@Nakke144 I like the JTD 2.4 5 cylinder, they had those engines in the Fiat Marea 125JTD as well as the 156. Prior to the Seat Leon FR, starting from my 1st car to now. I started with a 1995 Fiat Punto, had 3 Fiat Bravo's, then had the Leon. Bravo number 3 was nearly traded in for a 1.8 Zetec Ford Mondeo but I ended up ditching the idea and got the Leon instead. Along with the Leon I had a Merc Sprinter van which was sold for £800 and I later bought the 316i for £550 which I still have now.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t One of my relatives still has an old Bravo, its a fun car to drive. Much better then that turd called the Stilo, wich replaced it. My cars have mostly been Fords. The JTD 2.4 is nice, but i'd say that the pick of the bunch when talking about the 156 are the twin-spark petrols. Even the 1.6TS is a surprisingly frisky machine. Its a shame that the current 159 is so overweight, that it spoils the handling, id love to have one of those too, easily the best looking car in its class imo
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 I loved them so much I had 3 of them. I had a 1997/R 1.4 12V SX (ESR), 2000/X 1.6 100 16V SX (A/C), then the very last one I had was the 2001/Y jet black 1.6 100 16V HLX (ESR). I had the windows tinted on the HLX which cost me £140 at South coast tints but I never chavved any of my Fiats up with 18 inch chrome alloys and silly air filters with aftermarket shit. The burning-ring style lights were my favourite feature although the rings took 3 bulbs wach and were always half faded. LOL
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@Nakke144 Hated the Stilo, Bravo's had a nicer looking interior. I loved the green dials on mine and the radio which was top-mounted, It was easily reachable. I miss the heated seats on my HLX and the ESR but it went to a good home and its still running. Alfa 1,6 TS are the same unit but with TS and the normal 100 1.6 was good enough in the Fiat without TS. Fiat/Alfa were never good with handling or build. Like Mondeo's, the Fiat/Alfa sheet metal was thin but they were treated with anti-rust.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Alfa not good with handling? Have to disagree with you on that mate, the 147&156 are so much fun to drive. Ok, the 147 isnt quite as sharp as a ex.Focus, but its still great. Even the old 155 is a real peach when it comes to handling, hence its huge success in touring cars. The even older Alfa 75 on the other hand, is completely mental, i have never driven a car that oversteers so easily. Try one out sometime, its hilarious, but scary.
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 I would like to try a 156 out I've never driven one yet. Fiats were always shit on handling though, my Bravo's were terrible. The steering used to rattle itself almost apart on pot holes. The tracking and alignment would become unstable and loose after a few miles on the rough roads. It was the one pet hate I had about Fiats. I've never thought about an Alfa that much. I always think they have steering like Fiats and it puts me off them.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Fortunately, they dont. I have only driven the newish Grande Punto Evo, and it was nice to drive, though not as good as a Mazda 2, Fiesta or Ibiza.
But wasnt the Bravo HGT great to drive, at least thats the image i have got of it? Its handling was so much praised back in the day.
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 When I first got the Leon, it was a heaven sent having tightly aligned steering. For the 1st time ever, I had steering alignment which didn't shake to pieces on pot holes. I remember having this decision: I didn't know weather I wanted a 1.8 Zetec or a Fiat Bravo HGT. I wanted the Mondeo as it was 5 doors and bigger but without bad steering setups. Or I could have another Bravo that was faster and makes a nice noise but shakes the entire alignment apart every 1,000 miles.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@Nakke144 Thinking back to the days had Fiats, I would have happily got a Bravo HGT then if I grew out of 3 door hatches, I would have then got a 20V Fiat Marea (Saloon Bravo/a) instead. I drive a Rover 220SDi sometimes which is my sisters car and although it handles badly, I can live with it. I can live with bad handling, I just can't live with chocolate steering that hits 1,000 miles of cracks and pot-holes and the whole thing practically needs replacing again. Thats what put me off Fiats.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t I see your point. For me, handling is one of the most, if not THE, most important aspect of a car. If a car has dull/crap handling or steering, i always ignore it, no matter how good the rest of the car might be. I mean the fact that i drove a BMW 118d for quite a while says enough. It sure is/was pig-ugly, but the handling and performance was fantastic.
Nakke144 1 year ago
@Nakke144 I don't mind crap handling, it gives me a challenge. I don't like things that do it all too easily, there is no real thrill in it. I like something that takes concentration and focus to drive it. I don't like to rely on clever chassis settings and engineering that balances the car out for me. It feels like someone else has done all the work and all I'm doing is driving an automated robot. I don't like that feeling, making a bad handling car outhandle a good car is always a skill.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@Nakke144 Some people think all this mordern handling is so exciting but its all a gimmick for me. I don't like to feel that there is something happening in the car which is levelling the suspension out in some way to help me go round corners faster. It makes me feel like I am riding a bicycle with stabilizers on it, it makes you feel wrapped up in bubble wrap and cacooned. I like a sence of danger and adrenaline without barriers. This whole 'Good handling' thing holds zero thrills for me.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
Three days ago I had an accident mondeo mk1 at speeds 90km / h confronted head-on and I'm alive and nothing wrong happened to me. It's really hard car and I can not reconcile with his loss, so much with me, he survived and has saved my life at the end. RIP my lovely mondeo.
superwozkowy666 1 year ago
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AdamJThePoland 1 year ago
after an incident on the A1 a traffic cop called my wifes mondeo a GT ! er no its a GLX she replied ! ...he said now you've cracked the bumper and will no doubt repair it using Gaffa Tape ...it will become a GT lol .......some cops have a sense of humour thank god :)
MRGAZMOND0 1 year ago
Shouldn't be the Mondeo, I call 'em the Mong-Gayo's LOL
VOLVORULEZ1995 1 year ago
@VOLVORULEZ1995 So naming after yourself then?
discocreator76 1 year ago
@discocreator76 No you lol.
VOLVORULEZ1995 1 year ago
@discocreator76 But to be fair, they did design some good cars, the Galaxys great, but I hate the mondeo MKI and MKII.
VOLVORULEZ1995 1 year ago
@VOLVORULEZ1995 The Mondeo Mk 1 was made with thin sheet metal and thin plastics for the bumpers. It did look good and it was a good shape with all its chrome touches but Ford didn't care about the quality of them and they never really made them to last. The washer jets would often leak onto the HT leads causing misfire and permanent head damage which is a shame because I nearly bought one once.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
passanger airbag, my 1997 mondeo has one...
jaffacake1578 1 year ago
What rating did it get
j7qqq 1 year ago
@j7qqq 2.5 stars
jaffacake1578 1 year ago
@j7qqq 4 stars intially but then lowered to 2 or 3 I think. I have the original publication of these euro ncap tests for this size group of cars from 1997 and of all tested the Mondeo came second after the Volvo S40. The Saab 900 was last.
cortinamatt 1 year ago
Is this the European version of the Ford Contour?
coffeeandsugar20 1 year ago
@coffeeandsugar20 I believe this gen mondeo is has few differences like the rear design. the nose is the same of that on the contour.
2004SiennaAWD 1 year ago
@coffeeandsugar20 Yes it´s the European Vers. Of The Contour ! The Front looks almost same......
DeathRowWarrenG 1 year ago
where is the passanger airbag, my one has one
jaffacake1578 1 year ago 3
a much better outcome than the revivals from the same model year: bmw 3 series, mecedes c-class, audi a4, alfa romeo 156
DJstereo89 1 year ago 3
And to think I payed 13.200 USD for my 1997 Mondeo 2,0 in 2008, because I needed a more secure car than my Cortina :P
(I hate the 180% taxes on cars in Denmark :X )
RealCavemary 1 year ago
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serebengary 2 years ago
shitty bumpers... cracks all the time..
VoYTeCTDi 2 years ago 23
I know, when I was going to buy a large 4 door car about 2 years ago I looked at a few 1.8 Zetecs & some Vectras. All the zetecs I looked at had duck tape supporting the entire bumper, not one had reasonable condition bumpers on it. None of the electrics worked, the gearboxes and brakes were awful like Ford Kas so I ditched the idea in the end. Thank god I did!
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@VoYTeCTDi
They are plastic, costs 70euros and the stuff inside them 60euros.
MikkoMuhis 1 year ago
theres a facebook group called gaffa tape mondeo lol join in
fiestasiphil 1 year ago
@fiestasiphil i dont have gaffa tape on my mondeo if i crush my bumpers i change it and now there is my 3rd front and 4th rear :)
VoYTeCTDi 1 year ago
@VoYTeCTDi
Totally true, mate. But we must agree that 13 year old plastic ain't got the same characteristics it got when it wuz new.
The car is brilliant though. Would've loved it even more if it wuz RWD like the Sierra, but it's really good as it is.
GM572 1 year ago
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VoYTeCTDi 1 year ago
@GM572 no... it isn't a good car i've got mondeo from april 2000 and it stays in service all the time... only 167000km bought from new... ;/ problem from 140k and after 10 years i've got rust everywhere ;/
VoYTeCTDi 1 year ago
@VoYTeCTDi
I really wish I would be able to disagree on the rust issue, but I can't. The metal sheet is crap. My dad has a 1996 Mk1 Mondeo Ghia with around 250k km on board and the chassis is basically made of rust. We bought new parts to weld 'cuz is so rusty it won't pass the MOT. From the design and engineering point of view, the car is great, but the material used is shitty. I have 2 Sierras(Merkur XR4Ti actually), both 10 years older than my dad's Mondeo and they have like no rust at all.
GM572 1 year ago
@VoYTeCTDi Duct tape! :P
stainlessmole 11 months ago
@VoYTeCTDi You're right. That bumpers drive crazy drivers all over the world. :D
kerryshadow 11 months ago
@VoYTeCTDi
yep....
vlad18041894 7 months ago
shitty cars.... if 4 yr old kid would give a little punch in the bumper , bumper would crack! all bumpers on these cars are taped.
Niercaaa 2 years ago 3
Mondeos are crap & awful, the cost cuts were terrible which is why the depreciation was so quick. The bumpers crack like eggs because Ford mould the bumpers with the thinnest pressings they can get to save on plastic then sprayed cheap, yellow insulation sponge-foam behind the bumpers to make them feel more solid. They are shit cars.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t yes, bumpers are crap... the rest of the car is solid, you wont find much stronger, which is why they are a banger racers car of choice for 2lt bangers!
mini300bhp 1 year ago
@mini300bhp My dads Audi A4 is as solid as fuck so Fords aren't the only cars in the entire world that are the only ones to be solid. They are a top banger racers car because they are cheap. Bearing in mind that I just nearly bought a 1997 Ford Mondeo 2.0 Ghia as a runaround but I bought a 1996 BMW 318 for £550 instead.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t a4s make rubbish bangers their too soft. price doesnt always come into it people race rollers etc.
mini300bhp 1 year ago
@mini300bhp A4's make rubbish bangers because they are too soft? Completely the opposite, They are solid cars with a solid chassis & I can tell you don't know much about them. If you looked under the bonnet, an A4 has a solid wall which is built behind the engine and this acts as extra re-inforcement to the cars stuctural integrity. Did I see one of these under the bonnet of a Mondeo? No. And Audi's had better side impact protection then Mondeo's so price does come into it.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t A4's are too soft, I race. These shape Mondeo's are spot on though. Hard on the front. And because of that big front subframe everything moves back together so it doesn't lose drive like other front wheel drive cars, they just keep going. Also look at the A4 crash test from this year, proves its a softer car. You have no knowledge, experience or argument. Although as a road car I think these Mondeo's are cheaply made crap although pretty reliable.
cortinamatt 1 year ago
@cortinamatt Solid!? The sheet metal they used for the Mondeo was thin and tinny along with the die-cast plastic used for the bumpers. Ford did this to save money. Audi A4's had crash walls built behind the engines to improve the structure. Fords didn't. Ill stop and ask a Mondeo if its won a fight with an A4 in a pub shall I? If it tells me it won i'll know the A4 is softer. Lol
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t Well i've stripped out many cars including Audi/VW stuff and never heard of or seen this crash wall you speak of. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. They may be constructed differently to a Mondeo in some ways but I don't think that there is a particular part of an A4 that is called a crash wall. Crash wall sounds like a very technical term though so i'm sure you know better.
cortinamatt 1 year ago
@cortinamatt I have already seen the NCap on the 1996 A4. Its the one where nothing falls off it when it hits the wall. Watch the A4 then watch the Ford, a headlight flies out, and 2 other pieces of debris fly from it. Nothing flies off the A4. Fords are not "more solid", if you watch the side impacts of the A4 vs Mondeo the A4 does better in the sides. A4 vs Mondeo = Bit of a 50/50 on that one.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
@1ns4ne1d10t And Mondeo sheet metal may not be any more solid than other cars but the structure is very solid for a car of this age and thats what counts in hard accidents. I think an A4 is probably more solid cosmetically and yes less small bits fly off but the structure is weaker than the Mondeo's.
cortinamatt 1 year ago
@cortinamatt I wouldn't be quick to agree with you there, Mondeo's didn't do as well as A4's in side impacts and the Mondeo's were worse for roof crush. There wasn't a vast amount of difference between them for head-on crashes but the A4 did actually do better in side and roof protection which is in its favour. You say the A4 is weaker but if you turned an A4 on its roof it wouldn't crush as much as a Mondeo.
1ns4ne1d10t 1 year ago
no chance to survive in side crash. Too much force on neck in my opinion
Klinsi89 2 years ago
let me remind you that a car with 2 standard airbags and a 2.5 almost scraping 3 star safety rating is quite good, but yes, you probably would have high forces on te neck!
jaffacake1578 2 years ago
strong car.
Milleeee 2 years ago 22
@Milleeee yeah you are right strong car I hit the wall with 120 km\h with front bumper from the side and nothing happend to car just the bumper and the Cooler of it :D
SuperZippy13 1 year ago