Who plays with the clarity and brilliance of Ivo Pogorelich? Every performance he gives is a unique treasure of artistry. Some (or many) may not like his choice of tempi here and there, but his ability to unlock unimaginable nuances of timbre from the same pianos everyone else uses is extraordinary. He's like the Glenn Gould of our times in his enimatic, indubitable genius.
"He dint play it like everyone else does! Boohoohoo!!!!"
IP is pure, breath-taking genius. The self-styled connoisseurs will never admit it but what they really hate is his clarity and fearlessness and how accessible he makes the Holy Canon of Elite Music which the Unwashed Masses Cannot Possibly Appreciate. IP is one of a tiny number of truly gifted living pianists; those who complain about his playing are nobodies who will be quickly forgotten by history.
Quelle belle inventivité à la main gauche de la part du pianiste, à partir de 5:20 : +/- re/mi - re/do - sol/fa - la/sol etc. (ou équivalent, à 1/2 ou 1 ton près, je n'ai pas la partition devant moi). Ravel aurait certainement été d'accord pour ces accentuations, vous ne pensez pas ? Moi, j'adore, c'est très fort, tellement inattendu et grandiose à la fois, parfaitement à sa place. Merci, monsieur Pogorelich !
continuation of previous posting: Thus, he provides (at least from my perspective) more (new) insight into the piece than a more lean and commonly phrased interpretation (of which we have quite a few already)... the key thing for me is credibility and earnestness (next to technical perfection)... once an interesting musician combines the two, the outcome will be worth listening to, no matter if I share the musical approach or not... and for IP, there should be no doubt that he meets the criteria
@happehaha: point well taken. One thing that I want to add to the discussion: Excentric interpretations, if they are "true" (= being a reflection of the core self of an artist, that has developed over many years in the context of the musical pieces) and not just for the show, are not necessarily bad per se. In fact we can learn a lot from them. E.g., IP teaches us in his performance, how to build up a very intense climax, with color and structural detail of the text that becomes transparent...
The phrasing isn't well thought through here - the natural flow is interrupted constantly - massacred. Outrageous. How anyone could think that this is a good interpretation is beyond me.
@happehaha - In my view your comment would make better sense in more structural pieces, like a Beethoven sonata, that live out of their architectural design, and for which to celebrate the beauty of the moment might even destroy the very core of what it is (see Lang Lang playing Appassionata, and Barenboim filling him in on what he is actually playing...). For Ondine, however, even though the piece has no doubt a clear structural concept, the task arguably is to search for the most intense mome
@AlexanderSkriabin1 I guess everyone listens to music in a different way. For me 'intense moments' are indistinguishable from the sense of structure - if there are 100 intense moments, then I think it's difficult for any of them to register as important. For what it's worth, structure was of paramount importance to Ravel. But I agree this piece can take certain kinds of freedoms that Beethoven can't
ivo pogorelich has always been a maverick of sorts whose originality was recognized by none other than the great martha argerich. but that has a way of turning on you. he became to concerned with being ivo and this "originality" started sounding too willful and distorted to the point of ivo becoming a caricature of himself. it;s a theme oft repeated in the annals of piano. there was horowitz, the master of distortion; and gould one of the most self-absorbed pianist
He's pianistically amazing in some ways but to my ears he pulls the structure apart to the point where it almost becomes nonsensical. Virtually every phrase is grossly distorted. A great interpretation needs a long view of the piece - how does each phrase build on the previous, how do all the parts relate to each other, what is the meaning of the whole? Pogorelich doesn't seem to have the discipline to deny himself endless beautiful moments in the service of this greater structure.
@pila406 Hi I dunno where your reply is so I'll reply here. Every couple of seconds it sounds like his hands suddenly encounters molasses - and every leading note is slightly held back, which really destroys the water-like flow of this piece. His interpretation is a bit like a clogged fountain. It's very tempting to hold those leading notes back as it give both hands a chance to recover their position and power to continue playing. The sheer number of notes per bar requires a lot of endurance!
@klavierflame No other pianist brings out the narrative of Ondine--seductive, super natural, treacherous water spirit with childish laughter with adult sadness-- better than this guy. Listen to the climax where ondine throws herself into the depth of water for doomed love, and also her tear drops in tres lent section in the end(A-G#, then resolved to A again). This guy makes you vicariously feel her despair(her kind) in a way no one does. agree with him or not, you can't resist the affect.
I first heard IP in around 1983. He was intrpoduced on the radio by Richard Baker the much loved music critic and radio presenter. He described this recording (his 1980s disc of Gaspard plus Prokoviev) as "the musical experience of a lifetime" and then proceeded to play it. I was completely blown away and have played it to every pianist friend I know ever since.
I have never met IP, never even seen another photo, was not even aware of all the hype surrounding him. I do not even play the piano (not seriously anyway), I am a doctor and ex scientist. But I know when I am listening to something outstanding.
This performance is EXTREMELY different than all the other Ondines out there, and I love it. Thank you for posting this.
He changes the tempo to make the song darker and deeper, and he changes the dynamics to bring out certain notes that I don't even hear in other performances. This is really interesting to listen to!
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Who plays with the clarity and brilliance of Ivo Pogorelich? Every performance he gives is a unique treasure of artistry. Some (or many) may not like his choice of tempi here and there, but his ability to unlock unimaginable nuances of timbre from the same pianos everyone else uses is extraordinary. He's like the Glenn Gould of our times in his enimatic, indubitable genius.
stevenpaulniles 1 month ago
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stevenpaulniles 1 month ago
this version sends chills down my spine
pogorelic is a true master of interpreting program music
beautiful
COMPUTERSbeats 2 months ago
"He dint play it like everyone else does! Boohoohoo!!!!"
IP is pure, breath-taking genius. The self-styled connoisseurs will never admit it but what they really hate is his clarity and fearlessness and how accessible he makes the Holy Canon of Elite Music which the Unwashed Masses Cannot Possibly Appreciate. IP is one of a tiny number of truly gifted living pianists; those who complain about his playing are nobodies who will be quickly forgotten by history.
ClaytonsVids 5 months ago 2
@ClaytonsVids I hope you realize HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!!!
TheCookie30 3 months ago
WOW! wonder where Pogorelich got the idea to bring out those strange inner voices in the climax? Claudio Arrau!! at 4:00 here:
/watch?v=v41OHqrl9yE
iwritesmusic 7 months ago
Quelle belle inventivité à la main gauche de la part du pianiste, à partir de 5:20 : +/- re/mi - re/do - sol/fa - la/sol etc. (ou équivalent, à 1/2 ou 1 ton près, je n'ai pas la partition devant moi). Ravel aurait certainement été d'accord pour ces accentuations, vous ne pensez pas ? Moi, j'adore, c'est très fort, tellement inattendu et grandiose à la fois, parfaitement à sa place. Merci, monsieur Pogorelich !
pianiste1000 9 months ago 6
for the most part it's treacherously slow, but the big climax around 5:20 is amazing at this tempo
fledgehog 11 months ago 2
@fledgehog Grow up!!! It is too early for your to understand Pogorelich!
TheCookie30 3 months ago
i think the performance of young Pogorelich is better :D
canoluk2007 1 year ago
continuation of previous posting: Thus, he provides (at least from my perspective) more (new) insight into the piece than a more lean and commonly phrased interpretation (of which we have quite a few already)... the key thing for me is credibility and earnestness (next to technical perfection)... once an interesting musician combines the two, the outcome will be worth listening to, no matter if I share the musical approach or not... and for IP, there should be no doubt that he meets the criteria
AlexanderSkriabin1 1 year ago
@happehaha: point well taken. One thing that I want to add to the discussion: Excentric interpretations, if they are "true" (= being a reflection of the core self of an artist, that has developed over many years in the context of the musical pieces) and not just for the show, are not necessarily bad per se. In fact we can learn a lot from them. E.g., IP teaches us in his performance, how to build up a very intense climax, with color and structural detail of the text that becomes transparent...
AlexanderSkriabin1 1 year ago 4
@AlexanderSkriabin1 Yes!
tombennettpiano 10 months ago
The phrasing isn't well thought through here - the natural flow is interrupted constantly - massacred. Outrageous. How anyone could think that this is a good interpretation is beyond me.
nezyrr 1 year ago
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pila406 1 year ago
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pila406 1 year ago
@happehaha - In my view your comment would make better sense in more structural pieces, like a Beethoven sonata, that live out of their architectural design, and for which to celebrate the beauty of the moment might even destroy the very core of what it is (see Lang Lang playing Appassionata, and Barenboim filling him in on what he is actually playing...). For Ondine, however, even though the piece has no doubt a clear structural concept, the task arguably is to search for the most intense mome
AlexanderSkriabin1 1 year ago
@AlexanderSkriabin1 I guess everyone listens to music in a different way. For me 'intense moments' are indistinguishable from the sense of structure - if there are 100 intense moments, then I think it's difficult for any of them to register as important. For what it's worth, structure was of paramount importance to Ravel. But I agree this piece can take certain kinds of freedoms that Beethoven can't
happehaha 1 year ago
ivo pogorelich has always been a maverick of sorts whose originality was recognized by none other than the great martha argerich. but that has a way of turning on you. he became to concerned with being ivo and this "originality" started sounding too willful and distorted to the point of ivo becoming a caricature of himself. it;s a theme oft repeated in the annals of piano. there was horowitz, the master of distortion; and gould one of the most self-absorbed pianist
utubuser10 1 year ago
he makes it hard to hear any other pianist after him
mastulio217 1 year ago 6
I can play this is in double time... lol
EuphoricDan 1 year ago
He's pianistically amazing in some ways but to my ears he pulls the structure apart to the point where it almost becomes nonsensical. Virtually every phrase is grossly distorted. A great interpretation needs a long view of the piece - how does each phrase build on the previous, how do all the parts relate to each other, what is the meaning of the whole? Pogorelich doesn't seem to have the discipline to deny himself endless beautiful moments in the service of this greater structure.
happehaha 1 year ago
@happehaha I agree completely.
abmsghost 1 year ago
@happehaha You really should listen to his earlier recordings [before 1999]. I am sure you will like it and here the true genius.
pila406 1 year ago
@pila406 Hi I dunno where your reply is so I'll reply here. Every couple of seconds it sounds like his hands suddenly encounters molasses - and every leading note is slightly held back, which really destroys the water-like flow of this piece. His interpretation is a bit like a clogged fountain. It's very tempting to hold those leading notes back as it give both hands a chance to recover their position and power to continue playing. The sheer number of notes per bar requires a lot of endurance!
nezyrr 1 year ago
@nezyrr I know. I've heard it, and that's why I deleted the massage.
Thank you for your comment.
pila406 1 year ago
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klavierflame 1 year ago 6
@klavierflame No other pianist brings out the narrative of Ondine--seductive, super natural, treacherous water spirit with childish laughter with adult sadness-- better than this guy. Listen to the climax where ondine throws herself into the depth of water for doomed love, and also her tear drops in tres lent section in the end(A-G#, then resolved to A again). This guy makes you vicariously feel her despair(her kind) in a way no one does. agree with him or not, you can't resist the affect.
klavierflame 1 year ago 35
This is absolutely inspiration, I can play Ondine, but NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME CLASS
The rubato and dynamics are brilliant! I can only hope I can play as good as this man some day
magicicle 1 year ago 3
I first heard IP in around 1983. He was intrpoduced on the radio by Richard Baker the much loved music critic and radio presenter. He described this recording (his 1980s disc of Gaspard plus Prokoviev) as "the musical experience of a lifetime" and then proceeded to play it. I was completely blown away and have played it to every pianist friend I know ever since.
djm160 2 years ago
I have never met IP, never even seen another photo, was not even aware of all the hype surrounding him. I do not even play the piano (not seriously anyway), I am a doctor and ex scientist. But I know when I am listening to something outstanding.
djm160 2 years ago 34
This performance is EXTREMELY different than all the other Ondines out there, and I love it. Thank you for posting this.
He changes the tempo to make the song darker and deeper, and he changes the dynamics to bring out certain notes that I don't even hear in other performances. This is really interesting to listen to!
aaronpiano 2 years ago 4
So spiritually strong.........
Nikma1ster 2 years ago 2
Straordinario!
SaserCentroStudi 2 years ago
Gorgeous pianism.
Pogouldiwitz 2 years ago 4