Atheists admit evolution leads to atheism and nihilism

[TempleOfSin]

Lol Hitler was Roman Catholic.

[thomaserossi]

@TempleOfSin - GAWD you're fucking stupid!

[TempleOfSin]

@thomaserossi Why do you think I'm stupid?

[fede2]

this is absolute crap. an obscene over-simplification -riddled with fallacies- of a theory for the sake of proselytizing.

evolution doesn't negate free will or imply nihilism in and of itself. it simply rules out that these things (free will and values) come a priori from an outside mystical entity or whatever.

[Sam10947]

@fede2

that's a hindsight argument, the morals are already in place because of religion, it is ur burden of proof, to advance a proof that depcits that without religion back in time, it would have been similarly like we are now or better. u have to proove it, otherwise it's a hindsight.

[fede2]

@Sam10947 i don't see how what you say relates at all to my commment. all i said was that the argument in this video fails in demonstrating anything.

either way, you can't acuse me of making an argument in hindsight because i haven't acknowledged your standard of morality, or any other for that matter, as of yet.

[outdoorsguy]

I love the sappy music, but Hitler was no atheist. A quote from Hitler: "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." The first guy interviewed is not the position of most atheists. Atheism is NOT a world view.

[watergaia]

@outdoorsguy do you believe everything people say? hitler lied about being a christian, so that people would like him more. the guy interviewed is a rare atheist, because he's honest... he really says what atheism is and what it leads to, most atheists don't admit it.

atheism is a way of viewing the world without god, so it's by definition a worldview.

[outdoorsguy]

@watergaia What evidence is there that Hitler lied about being a Christian? At it's core, atheism is a lack in belief in gods. That's it. It says nothing about world-views (Buddhists are atheists but my naturalistic world-view differs). Nor does it lead to nihilism. If anyone, whether atheist or not, becomes a nihilist, it is their choice. That guy chose to become an nihilist. He chose not to have any meaning in life. If you need religion to have meaning, that's your choice. I don't.

[watergaia]

@outdoorsguy many people think buddhists are atheists, but they arent actually. they have just replaced the word god with the word anatta, which is their god. the goal of buddhism is to reach anatta, just like in other religions, the goal is to reach god, so they are the same thing, they just have a different name for it

if you think nothing created everything, which atheists believe, then nothing becomes your god... nothing becomes the meaning of life, morals become nothing, etc

[outdoorsguy]

@watergaia Your definition of "god" is a little off. And no, I do not believe nothing created everything. The simple answer is, I don't know. It is more intellectually honest to say "I don't know" than say "a god must have done it" or "nothing created everything". All this has no bearing on morals or meaning of life. The origin of the universe is a fundamentally different concept from the meaning of life and human morality. "...atheist believe..." in any sentence is an oxymoron.

[watergaia]

@outdoorsguy you believe that nothing created everything, you just don't know that you believe it yet. the reason you believe that nothing created everything is because the only other possibility is that god created it. there are no other possibilities, so if you don't believe in god, you believe that nothing created it. or do you maybe believe in god now? also, thanks for calling me an oxymoron, you apparently have to resort to ad hominems because you run out of arguments you moron

[outdoorsguy]

@watergaia I didn't call YOU an oxymoron, I called the phrase you used, "atheist believe..." or "you believe..." and oxymoron because all atheism is a a LACK IN BELIEF IN GODS... IT BEGINS AND ENDS THERE... You're not getting this... As regards to the origin of the universe, what part of “I DON'T KNOW” did you not understand? Maybe a god did it after all, but since there's no evidence for it, I still don't believe that. I'm NOT jumping to ANY conclusions unless there's solid evidence.

[outdoorsguy]

@watergaia I should also add that your claim that "there are no other possibilities" is baseless. Don't limit yourself to just two options. Just because science can't explain something doesn't automatically mean that God did it. Sure, science couldn't explain lightning once, but that didn't mean that the lightning god Zeus was mad. This is a classic "God of the gaps" argument (Google it).

[outdoorsguy]

@watergaia (cont.) Whenever I see "...atheists believe..." in a sentence, I face-palm. Again, atheism is a lack in belief in gods. That is it. There are sub-definitions (google weak vs strong atheism) but they all share a lack of belief in gods. This refers to the anthropomorphic type, not conceptual (as in, "money is my god"). Common sense is a basic moral compass, and common sense says it's wrong to steal, kill, lie, etc. Why should need an ancient book to tell me these things?

[watergaia]

@outdoorsguy common sense doesn't say that stealing, killing and lying is wrong, the bible says those things... we got our morals from the bible. people who don't believe in the bible, like usama bin laden think there's nothing wrong with killing people

[outdoorsguy]

@watergaia Look up “common sense” in Wikipedia and ask yourself why killing is against “sound and prudent judgment”. Then look up conscience and ask yourself what is it within us that distinguishes right from wrong. Whether one believes in God or not, remorse is a profound feeling when we do wrong; it is intrinsic to being human. Then read Numbers 31 and ask yourself if worshiping a god that condones genocide and raping virgins bothers your conscience.

[asleepforaweek]

@watergaia I don't consider forced cannibalism moral behavior.... to each his own I guess.

[OrdinaryEvidence]

@watergaia There are many thorough and beautiful writings on ethics and morality today. Bible only shows a single set of moral code of one ancient tribe. Preferring Bible to modern works is like preferring to think that the Earth is flat.

Thinking about how to not be an ass, how to not cause harm, understanding relationships between acts and consequences, a person and society, humanity and environment, - that leads to better morality and ethics.

[TaiFerret]

@watergaia The nihilism blanked out my comment.

[TaiFerret]

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[SenMysrana]

Good grief! Whether or not evolution inspired genocide, communism, etc. etc. has absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of the theory itself.

And anybody who uses evolution to justify genocide really doesn't understand the theory and surrounding science.

[AurynThePaladin]

Well I completely agreed with everyone they interviewed. The first guy is spot on. Primitive man in their limited logic and rationale created gods to explain natural phenomena, worship of those gods (religion) was to follow. Atheism is the default position, so religion leads to giving meaning to things that are objectively meaningless. Then the religious turn around and criticize atheists for not having a strict set of values or ethics which are derived by a creator. It's quite silly.

[watergaia]

@AurynThePaladin as far as i know, there's no evidence of objective things. and even if objectivity exists, it doesn't mean that it's superior, or more true, than subjectivity.

[AurynThePaladin]

@watergaia Quick example of subjective vs objective

Sub: For example, Fred says "My foot hurts a lot." Is he lying? How much is "a lot"? What is Fred's idea of "pain"? ...a sharp, stabbing pain, or just his foot "fell asleep"?

Ob: If Fred walks in with a cane, and a knife stuck in his foot, you can make a decision without hearing Fred's opinion!

Objective evidence is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself.

From godonthe[dot]net

That which cannot be tested logically/mathematically.

[dragonfan1981]

No, athiesm is neither a theory nor a worldview. Evolution is not Darwinism in any meaningful sense. Read the RationalWiki response to Expelled: A Leaders Guide for details. 

[dragonfan1981]

OMG a clip from Expelled!

[watergaia]

@hempartist420 i recommend you read some history books to see how evolution ties into communism, racism, nazism, abortion and depopulation. evolution says that we are just animals, and when that theory was taught to kids, they have started to behave more and more like animals, and the world is going deeper and deeper to hell.

[watergaia]

@hempartist420 communism evolved from the theory of evolution... so did social darwinism (hitler). marx knew that communism wouldn't work without evolution, and it wouldn't work with christianity and god, so he tried to eliminate them with his new communist system.

[kurtu5]

If you give up the hope of an afterlife and deathbed redemption, then the evil people who accept jesus at the end of their lives will have no more excuses.

[BigLundi]

I wonder, why hasn't many christian biologists who fully accept Evolution become atheists, if this is true?

[watergaia]

@BigLundi communism naturally evolved from the evolution theory... karl marx who came up with communism tried to dedicate his book to charles darwin, because he was inspired by the evolution theory. communism says that there should be no private property, which would be true, if we are just animals on a planet, so nobody could own land. communism also says that everybody should have equal amount of money, which sounds kinda demonic...

[BigLundi]

@watergaia Ah, so because some guy liked Darwin, and wanted to apply a biological principal to social structure, then it's evolution's fault? I don't see how that follows.

I fail to see how 'sounding demonic' follows from evolution, or even that people should al have the same amount of money. It's a little silly, but not demonic, certainly.

[stupidrenner]

Well if evolution leads to atheism and nihilism theism must be right. You've opened my eyes.

[UnseenAtheist]

All throughout his life hitler believed he was doing the lords work

[TheGamanic]

Appeal to consequences much?

[SuperPimpjj]

brent come on man this video makes it worse for you not better. you hovinds have got to wake up before someone legally defines this ID BS as child endangerment and throws the rest of you in jail with kent. how many of your own followers did kent screw over in his tax scam? break the mold and grow a clue. evolve with the rest of us at least a little bit. itll do you all some good.

[TaiFerret]

What about Kenneth R. Miller?

[pede42]

Hitler wasn't an atheist, and read some history about christianity, and look up if you find ANY proof about Jesus motherfuckin Christ ever existing, you are a brainwashed little retard. peace

[watergaia]

@pede42 peace man

[compsciguy]

@pede42

First of all, hitler was NOT a true roman cathoic; he was an atheist. SEcond, the Shroud of Turon is PROOF that Jesus Christ existed. If he didn't exist, then what is Christianity all about? NOONE? And Finally, calling ppl names renders your debate invalid.

[darthjader08]

@compsciguy Hitler was NOT an Atheist, EVERYTHING he did and said was religiously motivated, don't be such an idiot...

[AegeanKing]

@pede42 No proof of Christ existing? really? interesting. I guess the writings of roman pagan and jewish do not count as proof? Ever read pliny the younger? Josephus? Maybe you are the "brainwashed little retard".

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing Josephus's writing were greatly altered by the church in the 4th century, anybody with a little information about him knows that. And no sir, the writings in the bible don't count, if it did EVERY other holy books would count as evidence.

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin greatly altered? No, thats not accurate. Not even Bart Ehrman believes that. Yes, there was some altering, but only to a few points. Josephus most certainly mentioned Christ. What is alterd are a few details but not all of them. Plus, there are many other sources that I mentioned like Pliny the Younger and Emperor Trajan and Lucian of Samosata etc.

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing And none of those sources ever met him, it is hearsay. And hearsay certainly doesn't count as evidence. Saying that Josephus's writings were just a little bit altered makes you look like a complete fool, the church changed his texts, that's historical fact. And even if everything Josephus wrote was true, it wouldn't matter cause he never actually met the man, he heard about him years after his supposed death, that's some more hearsay. Come back when you'll have real evidence.

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin I guess you don't believe that Genghis Khan or Alexander the great existed either. The earliest evidence we have for Alexander the Great comes hundreds of years after he died from people that never met him. Double standard much?

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing Are you completly ignorant about history?! There are tons of documents, from many different sources describing the events and the details of A. the great's life dating to when he was still alive. No double standard here. And don't forget that nobody ever claimed Alexander the great performed MAGIC and came back as a zombie as for Jesus Christ, you can still believe in Jesus but you have to accept that the details of his existence are incredibly sketchy.

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin What the Hell are you talking about? No serious scholar doubts the existence of the historical Jesus. Not even Bart Ehrman, the foremost critic of the Bible, is dumb enough to go that far. To doubt the validity of the claims made by the Bible is one thing. But to doubt the existence of Christ as a historical figure leaves the world of rationality and ventures off into radical skepticism. Next thing I know you'll be tell me I don't exist and that Im just a computer simulation.

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing Bart Ehrman is a christian, of course he believes Jesus existed you idiot! Lots of ancient documents detail the events surrounding Zeus, do you accept Zeus's existence too?

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin HAHAHA WHAT!!!!??? Bart Ehrman is an agnostic who leans toward atheism!!!! Do you know anything about him or are you just guessing? Please get a clue!

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing Yeah he's an agnostic, leaning towards atheism? Now you're just making stuff up. He always was a liberal christian, cause HE, unlike you, is able to use his critical thinking. And just cause Mr. X believes in the existence of Jesus Christ does not prove said existence. And even if Jesus did exist, it wouldn't prove the insane stories that goes with him. King Arthur really existed but he sure as shit didn't hang around a magician called Merlin and had a magic sword. That's FICTION

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin A liberal Christian?? Are you on drugs? Just go and read the wikipedia article on him. Bart Ehrman is a confirmed agnostic. He has said it many times before. Actually, I think there are youtube videos where he talks about it. You are a militant radical who is obsessed with religion. Your screenname betrays you as a person obsessed with their unbelief. Seek help.

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing ''You are a militant radical who is obsessed with religion. Your screenname betrays you as a person obsessed with their unbelief. Seek help.'' Seek help? Cause I'm against something that has dammaged our society for thousands of years? Come on there's no obcession here, it's just a freaking screenname you idiot. You can't argument like a reasonable person so you have to tell me I have mental problems? Because I'm against something as harmful of religion? Get real...

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin Or go to his website and read about him. It doesn't make a difference. The point is, you are wrong. Lastly, if it wasn't for Christianity, there would be no western civilization. The only reason you can read the works of Plato and Aristotle is because Monks made hundreds of copies of the works. Otherwise, you wouldn't even know who those people are. Western law, rules of war, diplomacy, chivalry etc. all find their roots in Christianity. You need a history lesson.

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing I need to a history lesson? Says the guy who actually believes there'd be no western world without christianity XD Christianity did not send people out to discover the new world, our thirst for knowledge and exploration did. Not all our laws are based on christianity and thanks goodness for that cause if you actually read the bible you realize how sick and twisted it is. Rules of war? Like your God's rule that we can keep the virgins for ourselves after destroying entire towns?

[AegeanKing]

@Reasonwillwin You're just another brainwashed foot soldier of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. All you are doing is just regurgitating the same tired tag lines that they say because you are unable to think for yourself. Religion is bad, Religion is poison, God is a monster blah blah blah. You don't even know how lost you are.

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing ''You don't even know how lost you are.'' Oh noooooo! I don't have an imaginary friend to which I can talk to when I have problems, I only have real friends made out of flesh and blood to whom I can have real discussions with and who can guide me through my life, I'm so loooost! Boo hoo hoo! LOL I'm unable to think for myself? Says the guy who blindly accepts the myths written by bronze age uneducated villagers as reality.

[Reasonwillwin]

@AegeanKing ''ust go and read the wikipedia article on him'' Yeah cause as we all know wikepedia is such a reliable source lol What a joke you are! Yeah he's an agnostic, do you know what an agnostic is? It's somebody who doubts the existence of God, even Mother Theresa was an agnostic later in her life.

[semitope]

@pede42 people dont argue about whether or not jesus existed do they? Its pretty much fact. What they do pick on is whether he was who he was. Hitler wasnt a christian, he used a public christian face to deceive. You can find much information on him speaking in private against christianity and saying he is using it.

[semitope]

@pede42 zrRQqYGf4O0 check out that series and stop lying to yourself

[pede42]

@semitope evibible.com.

[darthjader08]

wow I'm neither an atheist, nor religious, that was one big load of propaganda filth....I'm not going to waste my time with all the consistent incongruencies within this vid. Evolution is the most legitimate theory of the origin of life, your fictional story book you follow is the biggest source of evidence that refutes the idea of creationism...

[compsciguy]

@darthjader08

The Bible isn't fictional. Just saying. You can't prove it. And Evolution isn't a fact. It's a theory.

[darthjader08]

@compsciguy The bible is written by several people, about super natural events that did not happen....it is ENTIRELY fictional....that is the VERY DEFINITION of fictional...

You don't understand what Scientific THEORY means....do you...

[intriguedgorilla]

even if it did, so what?

[watergaia]

@intriguedgorilla it leads to anarchy, communism and destruction of society and humanity.

[intriguedgorilla]

@watergaia Prove it. Also, even if it did (which it doesn't), this says nothing about the validity of the theory itself.

[ChurchOfArceus]

@watergaia - Anarchy and communism are quite contradictory... just sayin'.

[User2308117]

@watergaia So if you are an atheist you are immediately heading down the path to becoming an Anarchist and a Communist?

Makes about as much sense as your imaginary friend.

[Thrazonn]

Please stop being stupid.

Love,

Intelligent People

[dadrogon]

This guy can't deduce from evolution most of his ideas (no free will, no morality, no meaning in life). In fact it would make more sense if his premises laid the foundation for the theory of "darwinism" (ideas like the law of non-contradiction, and causality, which are required in some form to make "darwinism"). The theor of evolution is not at all fundemental philisophically. Also, this man's worldview is one of many atheist world views.

[dadrogon]

Ben Stein is an embarassment to the right wing. 

[TaylorX04]

Why don't you ask Ken Miller, Francis Collins, and many other religious scientists if evolution leads to atheism and nihilism? Oh, that's right, it would kind of destroy your point, wouldn't it? Not that you really have one...

[Akatam0t0ma]

@TaylorX04:

Dude, this is a troll channel. I bet the troll laughing his guts off seeing you taking this video seriously.

[wavymavy]

The guy at the beginning of the video is not an theist. He is a phony.

[Youmakemefart]

you dumb fat Americans and your religious fanatisism... Maybe if you rednecks would have less sex inside your families you would have more time to read books and learn how the world really works...

running around waving flags when 52% of Americans live below European poverty levels and are hugely in debt....

being fat and greedy and consuming 1/4 of the worlds ressources....

You even have drive-in ATMs.... I mean seriously how worthless and lazy have you people become??

[WarmongerWW3]

@Youmakemefart Take a look at European Debt Crisis. It's mathematically priceless.

[Youmakemefart]

@WarmongerWW3

America has over 14 Trillion Dollars Public Debt - that is not even counting Private Debt. That is more Debt that all the European countries put together - allthough Europe has a much bigger poplation. So you are trying to say somthing about Europeans in debt?

[watergaia]

@Youmakemefart the whole world is in debt to bankers. to get rid of all debt, we just need to get rid of all the money in the world. we could make something more useful of it, like toilet paper, and we could melt the coins to build things with the metal, instead of using money to destroy ourselves and our world.

[WarmongerWW3]

@Youmakemefart Italy, no? public debt (% of GDP - Eurostat/2010) = 119.1%

[k1a2n3e41]

just to correct you hitler was a roman Catholic not a atheist relating the two is a complete lye and ridiculously miss leading

[Druffmaul]

I don't see the problem with admitting that rational thought leads to the dismissal of ancient ignorant superstitions.

[JetpackNinjaDinosaur]

Another bogus story of christians making shit up to make the case for religion look good.

[Bettinajanet]

There are studies comparing religious belief and I.Q. I think education is the cause of atheism, not evolution.

[eltzar72]

HA HA HA.

This is hilarious.

I looked at my sandwich, and I realised "there's no God in my sandwich". Therefore there is no free will when it comes to sandwich selection, there is no sandwich life after sandwich death.

And, of course, lettuce is Satan.

Yes, it's all lerfectly pogical! I see so clearly now!

[Dougca1985]

wow! ben stein's movie has gotten nothing but bad reviews and has been criticized by many that it is nothing but propaganda, to blame evolution for WW 2. Lets not forget that Jesus was mentioned in Mein Kampf, Lets not forget Hitler was a roman Catholic AND ppl like Einstein did accept evolution, tho they believe in a good, they were diests, but even Einstein thought the bible was a primitive document

[lilililililililiilii]

What a bunch of nonsense; His personal views on the futility of life without an afterlife has no bearing at all on free will.... So many poorly thought out arguments being barfed out and collaborated into one misguided and biased video...

[StopSpamming1]

Does BStein actually believe this dribble?

[Druffmaul]

@StopSpamming1 Disappointing, isn't it? I always thought he seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders.

[EnemyofCredulity]

Just because it makes you feel bad, does not mean it's not true. Ben Stein is an insipid dolt.

[MonsterEnergyMan]

Oh, I started listening and was like "Hey, that guy isn't an atheist... what's going on here?" and then I heard Ben Stein and I almost threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[watergaia]

the guy at the beginning is an atheist

[RadhaBlossom]

how sad. No design? I can design stuff. Just because its not present in how things evolve doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. No design means no god? I've heard arguments otherwise. No life after death? you don't need god to argue that there's life after death. and there's always the future of medical science to perpetuate life. No universal morality? not until the world unites and agrees on what is ok. No free will? doesn't the presence of choice imply free will? No meaning? make up your own!

[TheRobotKitten]

LOL i love the random Hitler footage. SOOOO irrelevant!!!

[TheRobotKitten]

Just because some morons perceive religion to add meaning where godlessness can't, doesn't mean it's right.

[DJBerber]

I don't think so Tim.

[Dimensiom]

Appeal to consequence, even when the posited consequences are valid (which, in this case, they are not), is logically fallacious. Creationists rely upon fallacious reasoning because their position is fundamentally intellectually bankrupt.

[SeparateisntEqual]

no foundation for ethics? wow, that's such a bullshit claim. typical of the language of fear used by people pushing religion.

[nothingUnrealExists]

@SeparateisntEqual Thank goodness, there is a biological foundation for ethics that lead most Christians and Muslims to rationalize away the more barbaric aspects of their gospels. If not, the would ALL be killing on another as their books UNAMBIGUOUSLY command.

[Hammerheadiii]

Why do creationist keep connecting hitler to atheists? :D...

[nothingUnrealExists]

@Hammerheadiii Because their bronze age mythology has no defense. You didn't know that? It's kinda sad.

[HALPCat]

Creationists*

LOLOLOL

[AJD09FB]

It's strange that they do, considering there is more evidence to suggest he was a Catholic. Either way though, the overwhelming majority of people in Hitler's Germany were Christian - why didn't they stop him?

[Hammerheadiii]

Yeah.. Not sure about Hitler, but Himmler was fanatically religious.. and I think Hitler was catholic too..

[AfterFauve001]

Well I must be an evolutionary reject because evolution has always been mater of fact to me and when I first learned when I was 12 that some people took the story in Genesis as literal, not metaphor, I thought that there were some really stupid people.

and that stupid debate played less than 1% in my spiritual journey.

if anything made me doubt the existence of a god it was religious fanatics.

Creation vrs Evolution - Jesus vrs Muhammad, - Coke vrs Pepsi.

Humans do not need an excuse to kill.

[AwaitingSecondComing]

none of the men in second half understand salvation in Jesus

I dare say there is no difference between religion and atheism & these people talk but they don't understand what they are saying. herein lies the sin of proud, stiff-necked men: singing lies; sending you straight to hell!

Dawkins: PROUD that he has lost faith? Can he even hear what he is saying? Does he know what faith means?

so what, one ought to live without hope? What? Its BETTER to live in fear and uncertainty? Blind, much?

[Omegashadowyoshi]

You do understand that you dont need a religion in order to have morals.

In an efficient society like this, morals come in handy.

So as opposed to morals for a god, I see morals for a society.

Either one is fine with me as long as they have morals

[army103]

Yeah, nevermind that there are millions more theistic evolutionists than atheistic ones...

[Omegashadowyoshi]

You creationists are making something out of evolution that it isn't.

Its yet another biological theory, and the only reason all you fundies throw bitch fits about it is that it doesnt happen to agree with the exact text of the bible!

If gravity disagreed with the bible, would GRAVITY be a world view?

[watergaia]

gravity is not a theory, it's a force of nature

[ErikeRKK]

@watergaia

So you also deny the theory of gravity..?

And you don't know the difference between a theory and a force..?

Get a grip.

[Omegashadowyoshi]

@watergaia The THEORY of gravity?

It's still technically a theory as is evolution.

If you aren't convinced, then by believing the theory of relativity, am I an einsteinist?

[watergaia]

we use the word darwinism (darwinistic evolution) to differentiate it from other evolution theories, such as intelligently guided evolution.

[Omegashadowyoshi]

Then you should say gradualism.

[ibfreetubeme]

'Intelligently guided evolution' isn't a theory. It can't be tested. It's at best a proposition, but one put forward with no evidence.

[UncomfortableSilence]

@watergaia I'm sorry. That comment proves your an idiot.

I apologize for my truculence, but this video and your comment are incredibly misguided.

[Lutzifer31337]

@watergaia

hahahahaaha

you may want to look up what scientist mean when they say "theory". And no, there is no theory of intelligently guided evolution. It is - if anything - a (pseudo-)hypothesis of christian mock-"scientists".

[nothingUnrealExists]

@Omegashadowyoshi Don't misuse words the way the fundies do. Gravity, evolution, and relativity are all FACT. And the theory of exactly how each works only gets better as science studies them.

[obijan42]

Well, that's your theory! :)

[Darusdei]

@watergaia, gravity isnt a theory but a force of nature... riiight.

suggest going back to school...

[Diablocazador]

What the heck is Nihilism?

[watergaia]

nihilism is basically just atheism. atheism at least usually leads you to nihilism. nihilism means that there are no absolute morals (very common for atheists to believe that), that we have no free will (that is common among atheists too), that there no absolute meaning in life and so on... the basic beliefs of atheism.

[ibfreetubeme]

There ARE no absolute morals. To think otherwise is a very dangerous thing. Eg. 'Thou shalt not kill'. So, a crazed man, about to die of mortal wounds, has a knife poised over an infants throat and my best judgement tells me the only way to stop him is to kill him myself. The absolute law mentioned above totally stops me from being the 'good' human being I am that would choose to save the infants life by ending the man's life a little sooner. NOTHING is absolute, except religious dogma.

[TheDisneylandRipper]

Evolution does not lead to nihlism; evolution only tells us how species change and adapt to their habitats.

[Stevensworkshop1988]

I think in light of evolution, we should be more in awe of God than in disbelief.

[kurtu5]

So if an atheist says "Evolution leads to Nihilism", you completely and utterly believe them and question nothing.

But if an atheist says "Evolution is seen everywhere", you completely ignore supporting evidence and question everything.

[User2308117]

@kurtu5 Pro comment.

[kurtu5]

@User2308117

Thanks. Had you not said anything, I would have missed my first top rated youtube comment!.

[vadimcream]

Sure, atheism leads to nihilism, for SOME people, but certainly not the majority of atheists. There are many who end up with a far more positive worldview as a result of not believing in gods or the supernatural. For instance, when one is not under the false impression that there is a facistic god that condemns most of his creations to Hell, and we do not feel compelled to look down on others for not conforming to dogma, the world becomes a far more positive place...

[SBRslacker00]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, INCLUDING Atheists.

The title of this video is misleading. Evolution may lead to nihilism, which is up for debate, but treating evolution as it's own dogmatic religion is a complete fabrication of the truth for most people except what might be termed 'fundy' Atheism.

I suppose that's really where the discussion needs to be addressed. What about this 'fundy' Atheism? Is it real? Is it a legitimate worry? My personal opinion is mixed on the matter.

[kurtu5]

@SBRslacker00

One could say that Christianity leads to nihilism. After all, by definition, we are all incapable of not sinning. So why bother trying to not sin?

Whats the point? All you have to do is accept Jesus and you can break every commandment; excepting blasphemy and still acquire salvation.

[TheLittleDonkey]

Oh Stein, but putting the moronic presentation aside, let's us assume that those the experience of those individuals would be general.

What does this have to do with the truth? I don't want there to be starvation in the world, but just because I don't want it, doesn't mean that it is better to believe that there isn't any.

[watergaia]

well, we know that there is starvation in the world, so there's no need to deny it, but there's no evidence that life ends after death and there's no evidence that the world is deterministic.

[TheLittleDonkey]

there is not evidence that life ends after death? By that standard we should believe that we were rabbits before we were born, because there is no evidence that we were not.

But what is it that you argue? Are you arguing that atheism leads to nihilism, or that two atheists say their understanding of evolution lead to atheism, or that atheism leads to nazism?

[watergaia]

there's no evidence that life ends after death, so there's no reason we should believe that it does. we might as well believe that it continues. there's a lot of evidence that life continues after death, and all ancient religions and traditions tell us that life does continue.

[TheLittleDonkey]

yes there is. Everybody that dies stops living. But I suppose you mean that somehow a non-physical part of life continues on. You're right, there is no evidence that that stops, but then again, there is no evidence that it exists in living people either.

What is the evidence you talk about, except for hearsay?

[watergaia]

photographic evidence of non-physical entities like ghosts. NDEs, OBEs and astral projections.

i would also consider religions and traditions to be evidence of afterlife, because if they didn't know that there is an afterlife, why would basically all cultures have some kind of belief in afterlife?

[TheLittleDonkey]

I don't know of any such evidence that has not been shown to have a natural explanation, or being fake for attention.

Second, your question, because they would like it to be one is one explanation. It is all we know, we only know life, and it's hard to imagine that we would live. If you think that everybody tells the truth because they have no reason to lie, you are in trouble.

[godservant777]

The Lord Jesus Chist was raised from the dead....

[TheLittleDonkey]

it's hearsay

[obijan42]

Is this an ad for "Zombieland" ?

[kurtu5]

@watergaia

>if they didn't know that there is an afterlife, why would basically all cultures have some kind of belief in afterlife?

When Persia invaded and conquered India, it established Hinduism to keep the people "content with their lot". Justice in the AFTERLIFE awaits you. Be patient.

Religion is an enslavement tool. It keeps people from rebelling. Its lets rules predict and manage how the ruled will respond to various injustices.

Its establishment is NOT evidence for an afterlife.

[OnsenEx]

lol

[fubarofcrap]

@watergaia because they were afraid of death, but lets read into it, because they believed in a afterlife that means there is one?

tons of kids believe in santa, that dosen't make it true