It's interesting from this how important Andy & Mike were to complete 'The Smiths sound'. Moz's solo band never matched them in quality. His ever revolving door of musicians outside of Boz & Alain.
I LOVE how Tony is trying to get under Moz's skin in this interview. Calling him Steven, asking what right does he have to say what he thinks about Manchester schools in his music. But with Johnny, Andy and Mike he's very nice towards them. Now, Tony & Moz have a history before The Smiths. They used to chat in Morrissey's house about becoming famous one day. I think they had a mutual respect for one another despite the mind games.
..pretty sure it is..i just watched the rise and fall of the smiths...i never realised morrisey was such a cunt... personaly i think every member of the smiths is needed 2 make the smiths sound.. marr might be the main guy but andy rourke is a massive part of the sound and he wrote all the scales himself he deserved more than 10% sureley?.. and as great as morrisey was i think his ego went outa control .without marrs/rourkes/music he would of just been a frustrated poet
Just saw "24 Hour Party People" last weekend and am obsessed with the music scene that flick dramatized. It truly is mind blowing how many amazing, influential, and ground breaking bands came out of Manchester during the late 70s/early 80s and beyond . . .
lovin the irony of joyce and rourkes interview when they weren't appreciated and i bet morrisey was at the other side of the room making sure they didn't say anything against him
WHAT, bloody what, used to be "hanging out of Morrisey's pockets" at 3:12??
I just can't understand the accent. I am sorry, but I've backed up at least 16 times.
No offense to any given dialect out there. Yes, I am an American for whatever that's worth here. I love this era of British music, & Mr. Wilson has always seemed like one of the coolest people to have ever lived to me. Peace.
@MrHankscorpio100 I'm quite sure it's Reel around the fountain played by strumming the chords, instead of picking them (for the song mentioned), which he does at 2:30 into the video, and which he does in the live and studio versions of the song.
Remembering Tony (AHW), who would have been 60 today. Thanks for the moral support you gave me, when I needed it most. And, by the way, you were right about everything......almost. I just thought you'd like someone to write that about you. Actually, I could do with your advice at the moment! God Bless.
Dear Morrissey - those gorgeous eyebrows, and as ever a nice turn of phrase. "It doesn't make life worse" - oh, how we miss this from pop stars today.
Dear old Johnny, Mike and Andy too - such a brilliant band.
The humour, intelligence and modesty of all concerned - even Morrissey, really - is a delight.
Thank you for this! We had absolutely no coverage of The Smiths in the U.S.A. during the '80s. Only the alternative stations would play their music. And no interviews could be found anywhere.
You honestly think so, a lot of arpeggios follow a distinct pattern, like 'Hold on...' but Johnny makes more of a melody out of his arpeggios.
I guess a lot of jingly jangle arpeggio's can sound similar, but Johnny's playing isn't as repetitive as the rest, that's what made him the prized picker that he is.
@spmcd2011 Nah nah, I take it your 2:38 is supposed to read 2:28 Its ' Reel around The Fountain' Listen to "It's time the tale were told, of how you took a child"........ This is it.
I admire Tony Wilson but I have to say he really does urk me in this interview. I think it was a case of sour grapes on his part. I love Marrs Contemptuous sneer at the Mozart reference though
I wouldn't say Johnny gave a contemptuous sneer at the Mozart reference. He looked more taken aback, before breaking into an approving & appreciative smile :--)
Yet you know who Morrissey is? I was only five at the time, but that has not prevented me from knowing about Wilson and other famous and influential people older than myself.
Wilson was just as influential in the Manchester music scene as Morrissey, if not more so.
fair enough u were only 5 at the time I understand, although Im not from Manchester neither am I likely 2 c Tony Wilson playing at the Barrowlands, besides Im a Smiths fan and have no interest in any of the other "Manchester movement" bands.
There's a difference between "being smart" and knowing what you are talking about. I thought after people told you who he was you might have done a simple bit of research, goolgled him, looked on wikipedia or something and learned. Obviously you didn't. Fair enough, but if you comment on things, you might want to arm yourself with the facts first.
I never proclaimed 2 know what I was talking about u fucking idiot! If u had just been a normal person like "mindtpi" u would have informed me about Tony Wilson instead of trying 2 make urself look attractive by bullying or trying to belittle me because u seem 2 have more knowledge on the subject. Arm yourself with this fact.... If u dont like my comment (as harmless as it was) give a thumbs down instead of hitting back like the brains of Britain u sad old cunt!
The video quite clearly says it is Tony Wilson. He was famous back then and was in the news fairly recently following his death. They even made a film about him a few years back, but if you want to continue to feign ignorance and take offence when someone corrects you, call people "fucking idiots" and "sad old cunnts" like some kind of simpleton who pretends that he cannot listen or operate a search engine then fine, continue to lash out at anyone who attempts to give you some information.
I dont want ur information, Im well aware who Tony fucking Wilson is now. I only lashed out cause u called me a (fool) remember, please go away.......
Tony Wilson is easily as important as _any_ musician in the Manchester/UK scene (and more so than most). UK music was infinitely more interesting because of him and is all the worse off for his death.
He will be calling him Steven because, as AndyUnwritten pointed out, he knew him when he was still a school kid well before the Smiths. Morrissey sent him a record cover of the New York Dolls and told him he should stick them on So It Goes (or something that), so Morrissey obviously respected him
Completely agree with Muc1cGurl. People are fighting over which of the two greatest bands of all time are better and they're forgetting one simple fact. Nobody cares! Don't voice you opinion because none of us want to know who you prefer and for what reason. To each his own I say
Point's still there, both timeless bands.. love 'em both.. If the other guy bitches about Joy Division, just be happy in the knowledge that you have the sense to appreciate two amazing bands, you win by default. ;D
Dude, who cares whether Joy Division or the Smiths are "better" I love both, people need to focus on the music and maybe we'd still have great bands like these ones in current day.
The Smiths cam in and totally dominated, and with good reason. Perhaps the greatest singles band since The Beatles. Nobody cares who started the Manchester scene, The Smiths re-shaped it and practically put Manchester on the map. Now i'm not saying single-handedly... But they were one of the pioneers definitely. The Smiths were far more superior musically, lyrically, the whole shebang. Taking nothing away from Joy Division, i would just hold The Smiths in higher regard.
What? I said Joy Division weren't in the same vein as The Smiths. Which they weren't, you can try to defend Joy Division all you want but everybody knows The Smiths were far superior.
And might I add what an amazingly humble man Johnny Marr is. One of the greatest guitarists of all time with an instantly recognisable sound who wrote of the greatest tunes of the 80s. Legend.
It always stuck in Wilson's craw that he had never taken Morrissey seriously and that his name was never attached to them. They've tried, of late, to make 'Joy Division' an equivalent band - but 'The Smiths' blew 'Joy Division' out of the vugging water.
So glad this video was posted. I was feeling really depressed and it always helps to see Tony again, even though we can only see him on film these days. Such a great interviewer..just made life so much more interesting. He had such charisma , and was the most impressive man of my generation in the North WestI And a sweetheart too. I think most of us loved him really and still miss him very badly!!
Couple of reasons - probably wishes he'd signed them himself, and doesn't like them for upping sticks and moving to London, being a proud Northerner and Mancunian.
love the smiths and morrissey. im pretty sure morrissey is gay. if he is why cant he come out the closet. surely for him who 'dont care bout what anyone says' it should be easier and plus hes 49. but yes i spose that adds to the intrigue about him
"Our time will come.."--> In form of a huge sawsuit!
Do not forget that Andy and Mike would still be no-name idiots without Johnny recruiting them into the Smiths! They basicly had to add the drums and bass to the finished songs, which to me isn't songwriting at all! It's the part of studio-musicians..
Tony Wilson is just an arrogant prick! "what right do you have?!"--> Are you serious you cunt! Thank god Morrissey is so whitty and slaps this asshole in his arrogant face (verbally of course..)!
you're the idoit, i'm a massive smiths and moz fan but i can still see when people have fucked others over! marr and moz did fuck rourke and joyce on the rough trade contract, and some of rourke's bass lines are genius, go listen to 'Barbarism begins at home'
I never said they were bad... Of course Rourke is a great bass player! But if it wasn't for Johnny and his licks he would have never had the chance to play with the smiths. My hatred goes out to Mike Joyce. He made a huge fuss about nothing really...
I know Andy is a great bass player, but that doesn't mean he 'wrote' the song... It's Moz and Marr who 'wrote' the songs.
Don't patronise me, and the point i was getting at was that joyce and rourke equally had right to kick up a fuss and claim the money they rightfully deserved, Marr and Moz lied to them both when they told Rourke and Joyce rough trade only required two signatures on the record deal contract when infact Moz and Marr chose to only sign themselves, effectively making themselves 'The Smiths' hense Rourke and Joyce only got paid a wage and were not given any royalties or say in the band
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Well who cares... Who pays attention to Joyce and Rourke anymore, or did you hear them on the radio lately? The only thing these two can do is crappy smiths 'documentarys' (if one can call them so) and go to radioshows with unreleased demo tapes of the smiths. yeah, nice career there, Joyce..
Bitter? Jealous? Well maybe a little jealous because they were near Morrissey and Marr for 5 years ;-) Marr and Moz really deserve the attention given to them! At least they're making music and aren't riding the nostalgia "we-were-in-the-smiths-and-are-going-to-exploit-is-as-much-as-we-can" train. Did you listen to Marr on the new Pet Shop Boys album? There are some really nice tunes on there.. Reminds me of the "Electronic" era with marr and tenant (on some songs)..
"Reel Around The Fountain" [The Smiths] was my interpretation of James Taylor's version of "Handy Man". I was trying to do a classic melodic pop tune, and it had the worst kind of surface prettiness to it.''
You can hear it's based on Taylor's Handy Man when he plays the full chords.
So the riff he plays at 2:10 is Handy Man[Taylor]/Reel Around the Fountain, to answer your question.
Andy settled for his 10%--probably cuz his heroin addiction messed up the band for a while.
Truth be told, though--when criticism was leveled at the band in the press for one thing or another, Johnny and Moz took the brunt of it cuz they ARE the face of the band--thus they deserve a bigger cut than their "back up players" (their words, not mine).
Both sides of their dispute have their valid points--all I'm saying.
What's this "LOL" stuff all about? Incredible - I was there in the late '80s. Smiths weren't then just "indie" fare - their rhythm section too good to be put in any area. Greatest band since the Fab 4 in a brick slum, in itself, very ordinary, quite extraordinary. Smiths never designed the marketing "indie" wank. idea.
If you think 'Interesting Drug' and ' Every Day is Like Sunday' are not great songs you never were Smiths fans so of course you can't appreciate moz.
bastardfingers 2 days ago
Remembering Tony Wilson (AHW), whose birthday was yesterday, 20th February. (born 20/02/1950)
thiaanthony 2 weeks ago
Johnny looks so fucking cool in this interview
TheLonelyDigestive 2 months ago
It's interesting from this how important Andy & Mike were to complete 'The Smiths sound'. Moz's solo band never matched them in quality. His ever revolving door of musicians outside of Boz & Alain.
RossBayCult 2 months ago
I LOVE how Tony is trying to get under Moz's skin in this interview. Calling him Steven, asking what right does he have to say what he thinks about Manchester schools in his music. But with Johnny, Andy and Mike he's very nice towards them. Now, Tony & Moz have a history before The Smiths. They used to chat in Morrissey's house about becoming famous one day. I think they had a mutual respect for one another despite the mind games.
RossBayCult 2 months ago
RIP TONY WILSON
nalbmalfoy 3 months ago
gosh, Marr's guitar playing... perfection
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Two pieces of shit.
TheMoisesmaster 7 months ago
johnny marr's class in this footage...his playing and his one liner about mozart..!!.
74bomayemcfc 7 months ago
Thank you for uploading this... a time when music wasn't about anything but making music... We will never get footage like this nowadays.
MatteiOfTheDead 8 months ago
Tony Wilson was actually a pretty decent journalist. Who knew?
cuntylishus 8 months ago 2
The interview between Wilson and Morrissey seems a little awkward.....but whatever, two of the greatest figures to ever grace music. RIP Tony
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We should all still call him Steven.
Nigelxman1 9 months ago
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imsohappy 9 months ago
what's Johnny playing at 2:30?
sml200867 10 months ago
@sml200867 miserable lie, no?
MjLewisMusic 9 months ago
@MjLewisMusic Nah, that's Reel Around the Fountain.
Flip2k 9 months ago
@sml200867 Miserable Lie
jim44 7 months ago
haha i love how Tony Wilson gets away with calling him Stephen.
elephantstone222 10 months ago
can you imagine such an interview being conducted with any of today's bands? as far as pop music was concerned, those really were better days
Madiman 10 months ago
..pretty sure it is..i just watched the rise and fall of the smiths...i never realised morrisey was such a cunt... personaly i think every member of the smiths is needed 2 make the smiths sound.. marr might be the main guy but andy rourke is a massive part of the sound and he wrote all the scales himself he deserved more than 10% sureley?.. and as great as morrisey was i think his ego went outa control .without marrs/rourkes/music he would of just been a frustrated poet
alreadythere1993 10 months ago
Bloody what?
slatersec2 10 months ago
Just saw "24 Hour Party People" last weekend and am obsessed with the music scene that flick dramatized. It truly is mind blowing how many amazing, influential, and ground breaking bands came out of Manchester during the late 70s/early 80s and beyond . . .
DaftSwank 11 months ago 3
You can kinda tell Wilson is pissed off that The Smiths didn't sign to Factory.
TheNotthediver 11 months ago 2
mike joyce - biggest fucking ears known to man.
PretzelLogic 11 months ago
all smiths songs are boring and sound the same. All new order and joy division songs are perfection
mrdisco91 1 year ago
@mrdisco91 cock
pythonbyte 1 year ago
@mrdisco91 Prolly got that reversed.
NoNoseProduction 9 months ago
@NoNoseProduction nope
mrdisco91 9 months ago
@mrdisco91 mmm yeah
NoNoseProduction 9 months ago
@mrdisco91 you're an idiot if you think all of the smiths tracks sound the same, an idiot or a deaf person.
MinorHeadstorm 7 months ago
@MinorHeadstorm i had a change of heart i now love morrissey
mrdisco91 7 months ago
lovin the irony of joyce and rourkes interview when they weren't appreciated and i bet morrisey was at the other side of the room making sure they didn't say anything against him
Spinking11 1 year ago
FUCK The Smiths, there a group of stuck up cunts who are nothing when compared to Joy Division
margatelover69 1 year ago
@margatelover69 It's a matter of opinion no need to be so mean. Both are among my favourites.
GelGsound 11 months ago
what's up with johnny marr's teeth in this?
FretLegendSmithy 1 year ago
ooh! you don't call him steven. I wonder how well they knew each other before The Smiths.
Stube437 1 year ago
Cool vid Mr Manchester interviews The Smiths
jaldorian 1 year ago
Johnny Marr is one of the best British guitarist to grace this earth!
tommietippie2 1 year ago 7
@tommietippie2 Second only to Vini Reilly!
GelGsound 11 months ago
Tony Wilson called a cunt but still cool as fuck. . .RIP. . .
dixon97a 1 year ago
RIP TONY x
MsGaz2009 1 year ago
0:55 I'll bet ol' Mozzy watches this shit now and just gnashes his teeth.
JohnnyJohnnyJohnny 1 year ago 2
Cool interview,great band,when are you coming back to Liverpool Morrissey,unfinished business?
captaincomputa 1 year ago
Mike Joyce, next to Reni he's the greatest drummer of all time.
ThatIsAnAndroid 1 year ago 2
I don't care what anyone says, Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce WERE the Smiths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Theoppositesex 1 year ago 3
marr looks like a young keith richards..
JormaX 1 year ago
WHAT, bloody what, used to be "hanging out of Morrisey's pockets" at 3:12??
I just can't understand the accent. I am sorry, but I've backed up at least 16 times.
No offense to any given dialect out there. Yes, I am an American for whatever that's worth here. I love this era of British music, & Mr. Wilson has always seemed like one of the coolest people to have ever lived to me. Peace.
d.
dirtysci 1 year ago
"...the Gladiolis he used to have hanging out his pocket..."
Think he meant Gladioli without an S: it is plural of Gladiolus, after all.
Sleazyslacks 1 year ago
@dirtysci gladiolus.It's a flower.Morrisey used to have flowers in his back pockets.
modo03 10 months ago
Tony Wilson: where the melodies come from?¿?¿
Johnny Marr: the answer is I don't know ..really genius guy
evenness 1 year ago 4
Great vid. This really drives home how fucking awful interviews are these days.
petevineaux 1 year ago
Best guitarists ever
Hendrix, Johnny Marr, Jimmi Page, Patrick Waldern
desasterz 1 year ago 2
@desasterz whose patrick waldern?
LEdPRINCEgirl 1 year ago
God, I feckin' love Johnny...
selfobsessionhoney 1 year ago
Marr is so cute
sundaygirl91 1 year ago
"Our time will come" - blimey!
diskochimp 1 year ago
what's the song that johnny marr plays at 2.10?
MrHankscorpio100 1 year ago
@MrHankscorpio100 I'm quite sure it's Reel around the fountain played by strumming the chords, instead of picking them (for the song mentioned), which he does at 2:30 into the video, and which he does in the live and studio versions of the song.
stillilllife 1 year ago
Mozza really does sound gay in his younger year`s!
69crafty 2 years ago
Remembering Tony (AHW), who would have been 60 today. Thanks for the moral support you gave me, when I needed it most. And, by the way, you were right about everything......almost. I just thought you'd like someone to write that about you. Actually, I could do with your advice at the moment! God Bless.
thiaanthony 2 years ago 2
Dear Morrissey - those gorgeous eyebrows, and as ever a nice turn of phrase. "It doesn't make life worse" - oh, how we miss this from pop stars today.
Dear old Johnny, Mike and Andy too - such a brilliant band.
The humour, intelligence and modesty of all concerned - even Morrissey, really - is a delight.
londonemski 2 years ago 4
Great Video
ManchesterIsRed23 2 years ago
Marr doesn`t have a contemptuous bone - just a lovely man. Apart from his dislike for Prince.
transonicbuoy1 2 years ago 3
Oh really,you don't know the lovley Johnny then !
Hooverdan 2 years ago
Thank you for this! We had absolutely no coverage of The Smiths in the U.S.A. during the '80s. Only the alternative stations would play their music. And no interviews could be found anywhere.
Blastbarnacle 2 years ago 3
how apt that Mike Joyce said "Our time will come"
Wilfslad 2 years ago 2
Anyone know what songs Marr is playing here? I know the last one is the beginning of nowhere fast but I'm not sure of the others.
202GM 2 years ago
@202GM
1:58 the first chord F#maj7 from 'Heaven Knows.....'
2:10 He is just giving an example of folk strumming, but using the chords to 'Reel Around The Fountain'
2:28 Does the arpeggio to 'Reel Around The Fountain'
2:46 Nowhere Fast
Coppertunes 2 years ago 12
Thanks a lot
202GM 2 years ago
@Coppertunes
2:28 Does the arpeggio to 'Reel Around The Fountain'
Isn´t it really similar to the begging of HOLD ON TO YOUR FRIENDS by Morrissey?
ratarata 2 years ago
You honestly think so, a lot of arpeggios follow a distinct pattern, like 'Hold on...' but Johnny makes more of a melody out of his arpeggios.
I guess a lot of jingly jangle arpeggio's can sound similar, but Johnny's playing isn't as repetitive as the rest, that's what made him the prized picker that he is.
Johnny is the man.
Coppertunes 2 years ago 4
@Coppertunes not a single doubt
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ratarata 2 years ago
@Coppertunes Nah. 2:38 is miserable lie intro.
spmcd2011 5 months ago
@spmcd2011 Nah nah, I take it your 2:38 is supposed to read 2:28 Its ' Reel around The Fountain' Listen to "It's time the tale were told, of how you took a child"........ This is it.
Coppertunes 5 months ago
@Coppertunes You are half right, it's the chorus part.
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MORRISSEY = CUNT!
jumofi 2 years ago
@jumofi you=twat
Soniclife91 2 years ago
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God, Tony Wilson is a douche.
sinbin55671 2 years ago
I admire Tony Wilson but I have to say he really does urk me in this interview. I think it was a case of sour grapes on his part. I love Marrs Contemptuous sneer at the Mozart reference though
simonpenum 2 years ago
@simonpenum
I wouldn't say Johnny gave a contemptuous sneer at the Mozart reference. He looked more taken aback, before breaking into an approving & appreciative smile :--)
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best days of my life those days
Culpano 2 years ago
this interviewer is what alan partridge must of been based on
shamelads1289 2 years ago
err... you do know Steve Coogan played Tony Wilson in 24 Hour Party People, right?
willda5 2 years ago 5
Mike Joyce at 1:27, "Our time will come." Fwd 20 odd years. Irony, ju$tice, and the la$t laugh. Ha, ha.
soyouthinkyoucancook 2 years ago 3
Yeah, good on mike joyce. Morrissey, the mean fuck.
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that interviewer is a total prick! His name is MORRISSEY not Steven lol, good old mozza has an answer 2 everything tho, such a clever guy!
scottdj1982 2 years ago
you don't know tony wilson, do you? lol...
nfiles 2 years ago
No sorry m8, he was a bit before my time lol!
scottdj1982 2 years ago
"That interviewer" is Tony Wilson, you fool.
decorativeedison 2 years ago
And Im supposed to know who he is?? I was only 3 years old when that was filmed..... you fool!
scottdj1982 2 years ago
Yet you know who Morrissey is? I was only five at the time, but that has not prevented me from knowing about Wilson and other famous and influential people older than myself.
Wilson was just as influential in the Manchester music scene as Morrissey, if not more so.
decorativeedison 2 years ago
fair enough u were only 5 at the time I understand, although Im not from Manchester neither am I likely 2 c Tony Wilson playing at the Barrowlands, besides Im a Smiths fan and have no interest in any of the other "Manchester movement" bands.
I do apologise for u being smarter than me.
scottdj1982 2 years ago
There's a difference between "being smart" and knowing what you are talking about. I thought after people told you who he was you might have done a simple bit of research, goolgled him, looked on wikipedia or something and learned. Obviously you didn't. Fair enough, but if you comment on things, you might want to arm yourself with the facts first.
decorativeedison 2 years ago
I never proclaimed 2 know what I was talking about u fucking idiot! If u had just been a normal person like "mindtpi" u would have informed me about Tony Wilson instead of trying 2 make urself look attractive by bullying or trying to belittle me because u seem 2 have more knowledge on the subject. Arm yourself with this fact.... If u dont like my comment (as harmless as it was) give a thumbs down instead of hitting back like the brains of Britain u sad old cunt!
scottdj1982 2 years ago
The video quite clearly says it is Tony Wilson. He was famous back then and was in the news fairly recently following his death. They even made a film about him a few years back, but if you want to continue to feign ignorance and take offence when someone corrects you, call people "fucking idiots" and "sad old cunnts" like some kind of simpleton who pretends that he cannot listen or operate a search engine then fine, continue to lash out at anyone who attempts to give you some information.
decorativeedison 2 years ago
I dont want ur information, Im well aware who Tony fucking Wilson is now. I only lashed out cause u called me a (fool) remember, please go away.......
scottdj1982 2 years ago
Tony Wilson is easily as important as _any_ musician in the Manchester/UK scene (and more so than most). UK music was infinitely more interesting because of him and is all the worse off for his death.
He will be calling him Steven because, as AndyUnwritten pointed out, he knew him when he was still a school kid well before the Smiths. Morrissey sent him a record cover of the New York Dolls and told him he should stick them on So It Goes (or something that), so Morrissey obviously respected him
mindtpi 2 years ago 4
Completely agree with Muc1cGurl. People are fighting over which of the two greatest bands of all time are better and they're forgetting one simple fact. Nobody cares! Don't voice you opinion because none of us want to know who you prefer and for what reason. To each his own I say
somebodygothurt 2 years ago
Alright, sorry.. shitty Youtube commenting system.. -_-
Point's still there, both timeless bands.. love 'em both.. If the other guy bitches about Joy Division, just be happy in the knowledge that you have the sense to appreciate two amazing bands, you win by default. ;D
HumanJarv 2 years ago
They both have a timeless sound, both important bands. I love them both.. quite trying to start an argument out of nothing.
HumanJarv 2 years ago 7
Dude, who cares whether Joy Division or the Smiths are "better" I love both, people need to focus on the music and maybe we'd still have great bands like these ones in current day.
Mus1cGurl 2 years ago 32
Rest in Peace Tony...Johnny Marr...up there with Hendrix.
mushroomscouser 2 years ago 31
@mushroomscouser Agree about Marr , but he'll never get the recognition that he deserves .
sonor23 1 year ago
The Smiths cam in and totally dominated, and with good reason. Perhaps the greatest singles band since The Beatles. Nobody cares who started the Manchester scene, The Smiths re-shaped it and practically put Manchester on the map. Now i'm not saying single-handedly... But they were one of the pioneers definitely. The Smiths were far more superior musically, lyrically, the whole shebang. Taking nothing away from Joy Division, i would just hold The Smiths in higher regard.
robbieonguitar 2 years ago 4
What? I said Joy Division weren't in the same vein as The Smiths. Which they weren't, you can try to defend Joy Division all you want but everybody knows The Smiths were far superior.
robbieonguitar 2 years ago
And might I add what an amazingly humble man Johnny Marr is. One of the greatest guitarists of all time with an instantly recognisable sound who wrote of the greatest tunes of the 80s. Legend.
Vpmatt 2 years ago 3
No Morrissey's not The Smiths. It was Morrissey and Marr who were The Smiths.
Vpmatt 2 years ago
Morrissey is as handsome today as ever. Maybe moreso!
What a legend.
fpig1000 2 years ago
Morrissey is so beautiful
bobbybishopbuffalo 2 years ago 5
Not any more he isn't! ;D)
sonicavenga 2 years ago
It always stuck in Wilson's craw that he had never taken Morrissey seriously and that his name was never attached to them. They've tried, of late, to make 'Joy Division' an equivalent band - but 'The Smiths' blew 'Joy Division' out of the vugging water.
lavverlylad 2 years ago
Well said my friend.
I don't see Joy Division in the same vein as The Smiths.
Not many bands are.
robbieonguitar 2 years ago
"Our time will come"... Yes it did Joycey !!
Sueing your fellow band members. Bad move.
robbieonguitar 2 years ago
I like how he says in the beginning
"this charming man"
cause that's a song of there's n' stuff.
NOAHcoustic 2 years ago 5
lol that gave me a chuckle :D
cinemar 2 years ago
Jankas15 doesn't though.
Reint25 2 years ago
That's what Mozart used to say, you know!!
thiaanthony 2 years ago
Smart cookies.
Thanks for sharing!
DarkEyesOfLondon 2 years ago 6
Good ol' Motzart, hip guy!
adamjj666 2 years ago 9
Oh I love how his face lit up when he says that to the camera guy! Johnny is still sooo adorable!!!
mamamcqueen 2 years ago
good old Mozart, hip guy - class
melvinceltic 2 years ago 35
So glad this video was posted. I was feeling really depressed and it always helps to see Tony again, even though we can only see him on film these days. Such a great interviewer..just made life so much more interesting. He had such charisma , and was the most impressive man of my generation in the North WestI And a sweetheart too. I think most of us loved him really and still miss him very badly!!
thiaanthony 2 years ago 4
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Robbyd91 2 years ago
Couple of reasons - probably wishes he'd signed them himself, and doesn't like them for upping sticks and moving to London, being a proud Northerner and Mancunian.
jcrawley1 2 years ago 4
Should have signed the Smiths, Tony.
ersatz01 2 years ago 7
Ever watch 24 Hour Party People, when GOD tells Tony Wilson who worships the Happy Mondays this movie "it's a pity you didn't sign the Smiths though"
ariannahiggins 2 years ago 11
The Smiths music is legendary.
It will never die.
robbieonguitar 2 years ago 4
What tracks do the two riffs Johnny plays come from, at 2:10 and 2:29?
2:47 is Nowhere Fast, in case anyone was wondering about that one.
jcrawley1 2 years ago
2.29 is miserable lie.
robertodowneso 2 years ago
or the hand that rocks the cradle...im not 100% to be sure...
robertodowneso 2 years ago
i love him i love them i love him i lover them ilovehim linmdmndchjvfhfhdkdksdnmffnfj
simonpenum 2 years ago
I wonder what that Les Paul would be worth today.
DariusBlue 2 years ago 2
'let's make disco records or whatever' haha
thetattytruth 2 years ago 2
Wow, I love this band.
bleekerules 2 years ago
They moved to London because Factory turned them down Tony !!
I loved the stuff you did for Manny Tony but you dropped a bollock when they approached you about signing them ! R.I.P. Buddy !
rael1999 2 years ago
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TONY WILSON CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF!!
moewishaw 2 years ago
Martin Hannett resurrected!
JulioFontanJr 2 years ago
Morris and Marr signed to Rough Trade.
transonicbuoy1 2 years ago
Tony Wilsons just pissed off he didnt sign them when he had the chance, too late now tony
EMInewtalent 2 years ago
wow.. no one interviews pop stars like this anymore. on popworld the most probing qestion would be "how did you come up with your name?"
EverSinceYou 2 years ago 2
love the smiths and morrissey. im pretty sure morrissey is gay. if he is why cant he come out the closet. surely for him who 'dont care bout what anyone says' it should be easier and plus hes 49. but yes i spose that adds to the intrigue about him
hi0u50fd 2 years ago 2
my thoughts exactly
berniegob 2 years ago
"Our time will come.."--> In form of a huge sawsuit!
Do not forget that Andy and Mike would still be no-name idiots without Johnny recruiting them into the Smiths! They basicly had to add the drums and bass to the finished songs, which to me isn't songwriting at all! It's the part of studio-musicians..
Tony Wilson is just an arrogant prick! "what right do you have?!"--> Are you serious you cunt! Thank god Morrissey is so whitty and slaps this asshole in his arrogant face (verbally of course..)!
IckyThumb1874 2 years ago
you're the idoit, i'm a massive smiths and moz fan but i can still see when people have fucked others over! marr and moz did fuck rourke and joyce on the rough trade contract, and some of rourke's bass lines are genius, go listen to 'Barbarism begins at home'
you are right about Wilson, but that's about it
lewis123456 2 years ago 5
I never said they were bad... Of course Rourke is a great bass player! But if it wasn't for Johnny and his licks he would have never had the chance to play with the smiths. My hatred goes out to Mike Joyce. He made a huge fuss about nothing really...
I know Andy is a great bass player, but that doesn't mean he 'wrote' the song... It's Moz and Marr who 'wrote' the songs.
understood?
great!
IckyThumb1874 2 years ago
Don't patronise me, and the point i was getting at was that joyce and rourke equally had right to kick up a fuss and claim the money they rightfully deserved, Marr and Moz lied to them both when they told Rourke and Joyce rough trade only required two signatures on the record deal contract when infact Moz and Marr chose to only sign themselves, effectively making themselves 'The Smiths' hense Rourke and Joyce only got paid a wage and were not given any royalties or say in the band
understood?!
lewis123456 2 years ago 3
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Well who cares... Who pays attention to Joyce and Rourke anymore, or did you hear them on the radio lately? The only thing these two can do is crappy smiths 'documentarys' (if one can call them so) and go to radioshows with unreleased demo tapes of the smiths. yeah, nice career there, Joyce..
IckyThumb1874 2 years ago
Well i imagine Rourke and Joyce cared, what's your issue you sound really bitter and jealous?
lewis123456 2 years ago 2
Bitter? Jealous? Well maybe a little jealous because they were near Morrissey and Marr for 5 years ;-) Marr and Moz really deserve the attention given to them! At least they're making music and aren't riding the nostalgia "we-were-in-the-smiths-and-are-going-to-exploit-is-as-much-as-we-can" train. Did you listen to Marr on the new Pet Shop Boys album? There are some really nice tunes on there.. Reminds me of the "Electronic" era with marr and tenant (on some songs)..
IckyThumb1874 2 years ago
I think the word you're looking for ..for this guy Lewis is Ignorant !
rael1999 2 years ago
i'm ignorant or Icky is?
lewis123456 2 years ago
Nah you're spot on man it was lcky I was on about !!
rael1999 2 years ago
Can anyone recognize that riff that he plays at 2:10 ? it sounds great...
Jankas15 3 years ago
"Heaven Knows I'm miserable now"
misfitmalloy84 3 years ago
na man it aint
Jankas15 2 years ago
Reel Around The Fountain
airjordenk 2 years ago
naa its neither 'reel around the fountain' or 'heaven knows'
Jankas15 2 years ago
It is. The first thing he plays is the opening chord of Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Know (only the first chord!).
Then they start talking, and then he plays a full chord version of Reel Around the Fountain.
After that he plays the picking version of Reel Around the Fountain.
The last riff is the opening riff of Nowhere Fast.
Reint25 2 years ago
Marr about Reel Around the Fountain:
"Reel Around The Fountain" [The Smiths] was my interpretation of James Taylor's version of "Handy Man". I was trying to do a classic melodic pop tune, and it had the worst kind of surface prettiness to it.''
You can hear it's based on Taylor's Handy Man when he plays the full chords.
So the riff he plays at 2:10 is Handy Man[Taylor]/Reel Around the Fountain, to answer your question.
Reint25 2 years ago
I always find it amusing that people think that Morrissey was the biggest ego in the Smiths when Marr is just as much self obsessed.
chunkylimey 3 years ago 3
good ole Mozart, hip guy haha
woodstockchild11 3 years ago 4
They're "taking" what is rightfully due to them.
Morrissey fucked them over royally. He's an amazing poet and singer, but he's a greedy and self-absorbed twat.
Virus278 3 years ago 4
Andy is sweet & Humble.
Andy & Mike were robed. They were a big part of the Smiths Sound just as much as Moz & Marr were.
Moz is pompous & greedy (sorry).
karziflora 3 years ago 4
Mike got his 25% in the end
Andy settled for his 10%--probably cuz his heroin addiction messed up the band for a while.
Truth be told, though--when criticism was leveled at the band in the press for one thing or another, Johnny and Moz took the brunt of it cuz they ARE the face of the band--thus they deserve a bigger cut than their "back up players" (their words, not mine).
Both sides of their dispute have their valid points--all I'm saying.
damienmetalwind 3 years ago
What's this "LOL" stuff all about? Incredible - I was there in the late '80s. Smiths weren't then just "indie" fare - their rhythm section too good to be put in any area. Greatest band since the Fab 4 in a brick slum, in itself, very ordinary, quite extraordinary. Smiths never designed the marketing "indie" wank. idea.
transonicbuoy1 3 years ago 2