Why are we more outspoken now? huh let me think, because the church can't BURN US ALIVE like they used to (not that our atheist ancestors didn't stand up, but many stayed hidden). Religion's time is over and it is the obligation of all good moral people to dig the whole for this wretched metal illness from our primitive scientifically dark ages to lay dead in.
"Where do you place your trust in time of need?" -Well, personally, I put my trust in my loved ones. My friends and my family are pretty much all I need.
"Where do you place your trust in time of need?" In my humanity. It is very clear to me that any deity will be inhumane, that to submit myself to another's judgement is enslavement (and enslavement to something for which I have no evidence that it exists)
"Where do you place your hope in a time of crisis of confidence?" I base my hope on my innate ability to understand the nature of my surroundings, including my society (just as you do). I don't just submit myself, I act.
@NYerintransit It's true. Most believers think we worship devils, or simply hate whatever god the believer worships. Also, most think that without their god's commandments, a nonbeliever could never be moral. Morality, I have found, does not come from gods, but ourselves. Seeing someone suffer makes me want to help them. I was not told to by one of the gods, it is simply in our nature.
@rpsmith014 they... is? sorry, but it irks me, lol. Kidding aside, not believing in a god tends to forgo believing in a devil. Since, no devil has been created outside of a religion, you must believe in a god first. Atheists believe in neither since there is no reason to.
If you need strength to get you through tragedy, if you need hope to get you through difficulty, if you need to depend on someone to get you through adversity, don’t waste your time kneeling before a cross; start by standing in front of a mirror. Strength comes from within.
Attention Theists. Atheism is the ultimate conclusion one arrives at after rigorous investigation to find unequivocally no evidence for any religious claims. It is this scrutiny that propagates people to become nonbelievers.
We know the shit your selling.
Reason and investigation is the death nail to superstition and ignorance.
@formless777 i like the way you sum up religion and picking a god out of the 100`s out there ......"make the best guess possible"...........i couldnt have described it better myself......well done!
Thanks for the compliment, I guess the same reasoning can apply to any choice. I was actually responding to the comment by the Catholic Priest on the video who asked what atheists do when faced with a crisis of confidence or trust. As to choosing deities, why choose one when you could choose many ? I think the evidence is pretty clear that all these religious brand names are just empty marketing.
American Cancer Society, Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, American Heart Association, Doctors Without Borders, Meals on Wheels, Wounded Warrior Project, Peace Corps, Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America - ALL working toward the greater good, WITHOUT a single mention of god. Being good without god is too easy. Try it sometime!
wow, what a load of KWRAP! 20 to 30% of the US population have no reason to think any gods exist, and we represent the TOP end of the intelligence scale. Most doctors, engineers, scientists and professors are atheists, by a huge margin.
We dont have to justify our understanding that religion is a scam. I have never seen such a patronizing 'news story'
I don’t have any invisible friends, magic talismans, sacred rituals or fairy storeys to turn to in times of trouble, the only one I can turn to is me.
Incredibly you'll often find those who are very religious and claim to have a deep belief in a sky fairy called "God", who will argue you down that there is no way aliens, spirits (which their God is supposedly one), or many other so-called paranormal beings exist. Religion (to my eyes) is the largest, most dangerous instance of a mass delusion (if not hysteria) that has ever existed.
I have a question for religious people: How can a person lead a good and moral life WITH God -- following the evil, brutal, sadistic and inhumane examples in the Bible? Genocide, slavery, repression of women, child murder, wife-beating, human sacrifice, blood offerings, rape, pillage, pedophilia, ethnic cleansing, and on and on, all carried out in the name of God (or by God Himself.)
@artgoat Your comment is among one of the best anti-religion comments I've read on here. The problem with religious followers is that they pick and choose bible passages, and for some odd reason they ignore all of the fucked up things that the bible says is OK. I'm an atheist and a good person who doesn't need religion to tell me how to behave as a good person.
@artgoat How is it moral to tell people the act of being born is an evil sin, that warrents eternal torture?
How is it moral to take an innocent man off the street, beat him severly, then execute him and say "Now my crimes have been paid in full" ?! Executing an innocent human sacrifice is the OPPOSITE of justice and morality?
and how does it get any better by pretending to eat the dead mans flesh and drink his blood?
Christianity is a test, if you subscribe to it, you FAILED!
why am I outspoken about my atheism? I have always been an atheist, since I started thinking by myself, when I was around 8 years old. I began speaking up and believers started attacking me. So I realized that either I fought back or I got bullied. So I fought back and keep fighting back. I am outspoken and critical about religious faith. I don't take shit from believers and confront them at all possible times. Not only is faith idiotic but it is poison for the human mind. Destroy religion now!
continued..... in God because I was told to do so, or do I believe because I personally came to that conclusion?" Just give yourself the option to decide for yourself. If you still believe, then, by all means, continue to do so.
Most of us are indoctrinated into believing in God by our parents or relatives, even I was. A few years ago, some of my highschool friends and I were talking about God, and I was so shocked to find out that a couple of my friends were atheists. I thought to my self, "How can anybody not believe in God? Poor guys." Now I understand. To those of you religious people who believe, because it's what your parents taught you, just stop and think for yourselves. Question yourself, do I believe...
Man I love this! Finally I, as an atheist, am for once the strange and alien being that needs to be explained to people. Where I come from people don't have to be explained that we are normal. It's a given. Oddly enough when I first saw this family in the video I thought they looked kinda christian with their wholesome activities. Just goes to show that I'm not above stereotyping even though I'd like to be.
Christianity: An invisible man in the sky, who watches over you 24 hours a day, has a list of 10 things you cannot do. And if you do one of those things, you are banished into a miserable, fiery place to burn, suffer, and scream for all eternity. But this invisible man loves you!
I grew up going to church and since I can remember there was never proof to back up their claims. Grown men and women talking about seeing angles and ghosts. Are you f-in kidding me?! It has always been (in my vision) some superstitious fantasy. It is also proven that as a country becomes more industrialized and educated, its Athiest population grows. What does this tell you?!
"Where do you place your trust in time of need, where do you place your hope..."
Well, Bishop Hansen, it isn't always easy living without that always ready-at-hand crutch you've so come do depend on, but it comes with WAY too many strings attached for me to even think it's OK for those who cannot do without it.
I don't think it's OK for any of us to believe WHATEVER we feel "works" for us - with no regard whatever for what's ACTUALLY true.
In a moment of crisis, I solve it myself instead of praying for my invisible friend named god to give me a miracle, maybe sometimes ill turn to my loving family for help instead of again praying for my invisible friend to save me.
@christinepeace I put my trust in experts because I do not have the training, nor the time to be my own expert. I am not a physicist, medical doctor, cosmologist, biologist, and indeed most other types of expert. The wisdom is in knowing which experts to trust. It is unavoidable; we must trust those who actually know.
this study is deceiving...it states 25% of people dont believe in God but in reality only 5% of the world believes in no higher power, life force or God at all.
@gmenfan48 You're comparing figures for the United States with those of the whole world, so yes, the figures are not going to match. Plus some studies have put the global percentage of atheists anywhere from 2% to 12.5% so there really is no clear figure.
@elsparx no im actually not "no religion" does not mean atheist. It's somewhere between 5 and 10% and that does not exclude the communists countries where atheism is enforced. Im not arguing that there is no clear figure because anyone can write anything in statistical polls...but surely its not 25%.
While I think this is a good report that gives a nice perspective on atheism, it always irks me when they say things like "they are atheists, they don't believe in God."
It should be "they are atheists, they dont' believe in gods." Plural and non-personal, not singular, personal, and discriminatory to the "Christian God" majority of the US. All gods, capital G or not.
Its an easy mistake to make for those who are not atheistic or non-religious, but its a fundamental distinction.
While I warmly thank the reporters for the gesture, I think coverage like this can be harmful to Atheism, and here's why. They made it seem like the family was 'special' in some way, it only serves to further the divide. Nonetheless thanks for your support.
Also, they seem to make Agnosticism and Atheism sound mutually exclusive, when almost all Atheists I know are also Agnostics. Atheism addresses belief, Agnosticism addresses claim to knowledge.
@iceyjohnny66 Yea Lets not forget about the 250 million innocent lives that Atheist regimes have taken in the last 100 years alone. Lets gloss over the thornier issues about the atheist religion.
At some point humans will need to kill all religious people to save this planet. The illogical dangerous ideologies of ridiculous crazy mindsets like islamianity and christianity to name 2 must be elasticated.You will need to decide whether you are human or you are a dangerous joke deserving of death.
Huh. Easitly the most unbiased coverage atheists have gotten. It warms the cockles of my faithless heart to know that, finally, at long last, the immage that Fox gives us isn't the only one reaching the people.
robertwc82 - You are wasting your time with ACR, he's incapable of honesty even with himself, let alone others. Witness the hateful statements he makes and lacks the courage and moral fortitude to even acknowledge.
I mean, how many days has it been and he still can't tell the difference between a negative and positive assertion.
SO, ACR - would you kill your children or not. Dont think too hard about it.
how can i prove i dont see a black swan lol, i could claim there isnt one to see but he could claim im halucinating it lol, i could easily prove i am if there was one, i could take a photo of me looking at it with a certificate from an optomitrist who has tested my vision lol
@robertwc82 You make an excellent point, it's difficult to prove that you are having a subjective experience. Let me rephrase--I claim there is no black swan within 3 feet of you at this moment. That is an objective, negative claim that can easily be proved or disproved, isn't it?
My point isn't whether there is or there isn't a black swan within three feet of you, but more of a question to you. Is that a claim that, in your view, is subject to proof at all?
@robertwc82 It's the responsibility of the person who wants to prove or disprove it.
Consider A and B, both well respected environmental scientists who have examined land use in a city, but not sampled any water. A says there is arsenic in the city water supply (positive claim). B says there is no arsenic in the city water supply (negative claim). Who bears the burden of proof?
the reason why the burden of proof falls on the person making a positive claim is because a positive claim CAN be proven whereas a negative claim CAN NOT BE PROVEN!
get it into your feeble brain YOU CANT PROVE A NEGATIVE CLAIM
just like you still havnt shown me evidence that you dont molest children. can you think of any evidence for you not molesting children can possibly exist?
I'm a full professor of Physics at an Ivy Leagues school, so I'm pretty sure I'm not feebleminded. But I'm used to people who just don't get it being insulting.
You're the director of water for the city and you want to know whether the water is safe to drink. Would you (a) take samples and test them or (b) say you can't prove a negative, so just let everyone drink?
I'd order the tests. Science is about the best evidence, not being able to absolutely prove or disprove anything.
i dont care what title you have, you have shown yourself to have an extremely slow wit.
why would you test for arsenic if there was no indication of arsenic being present in the 1st place?
does taking a sample prove that there is not 1single molecule of arsenic in the city water supply or does it indicate not a sinlge moecule WAS DETECTED in the test sample?
you still havnt shown any evidence for you not molesting children
@robertwc82 It seems we've come to an impasse. I'm a pretty good educator, but I'm just not going to be able to get through to you. You ought to go ask a logician what philosophers currently think about the positive/negative distinction, it will (well, it might) open your eyes.
You should also ask them what they think of the ad hominem fallacy, which seems to be your primary means of debating.
@NidisListenstoShit Believe what you want to believe, Nidis, it makes no difference to me.
You might want to take a look at Daniel Dennett's and Richard Dawkins's work. Both are good scientists and thoughtful athiests, yet neither ever raises the issue of different burdens of proof for "positive" and "negative" claims. Why do you think that is?
@ acr08807 - Still hiding behind your misunderstanding of positive and negative claims, Professor?
FYI - One of Dawkin's fave sayings is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" (or some variation of the day). He also regularly refutes the logical fallacy of asking for proof of the non-existence of something for which there is no evidence (i.e. a negative claim).
So, Professor, have you stoned any of your children for disobedience today, like you said Jehovah told you to?
B claiming there is No arsenic in the water is NOT A NEGATIVE CLAIM, Professor! Just using the word no or not does not make a claim negative.
There is a thing called arsenic. There is a thing called water. They may be combined or they may not. These are real states of existence which can be tested for.
Invisible friends do not equal the presence or absence of arsenic in water, Professor.
@acr08807 - that's a completely different argument. The argument of whether the gods exists is an unfalsifiable one -- not a simple "negative claim" vs. "positive claim." The burden of proof is on the proof for the god(s). Spectacular claims, moreover require spectacular proofs.
@LaVraiVerite I agree that positive claim versus negative claim is a distinction without intellectual merit; that's the point I was arguing. As for falsifiability, nobody takes Popper that seriously anymore. For example, it isn't possible to falsify the either the claim that "no perpetual motion machine can be built" or that "a perpetual motion machine can be built," but science should hardly remain silent on that subject, and when science speaks to it, it should be informed by experiment.
@LaVraiVerite How are we to determine whether something is a spectacular claim? The notion of their being one or more gods is spectacular to me, but so is the notion of their being no god at all. Is there some objective definition, or is it just up to everyone to decide for themselves which claims are "spectacular?"
@robertwc82, in the last 30 years, I've read around 75,000 scientific papers. None of them--not one--has ever said "we don't have to prove that, because it's a negative claim." In science, whoever wants to make a claim bears the responsibility for presenting the evidence that supports it. We've been pretty successful at this for the last 450 years or so.
I really do think you'd find it interesting to talk to a logician about this. I'm not trying to be patronizing--I've done the same.
@robertwc82 I'd like to follow up on your point about positive and negative claims. Would you please tell me which of these is a positive claim and which is a negative claim?
@acr08807 - You have COMPLETELY dodged my questions - TWICE.
And if you think asking you to explain your disgusting justifications for committing murder is insulting just wait until you really get me PISSED OFF, you simpering twit.
SO will you confirm that you would commit murder if Jehovah told you to or NOT?
Simple question (to which you have already answered YES, by the way. I am just offering you a chance to explain your abominable behaviour.
acr08807 said - "I don't want disobedient children or rape victims or homosexuals to be stoned to death, but that's what God wants."
THIS is the moral disconnect I am talking about! This is your reasoning for committing atrocities. Here you demonstrate your willingness to murder your children, if it's "what God wants".'
And yet you lecture Atheists on their LACK of moral fiber? What constitutes dangerous hypocrisy in your little world?
Don't dodge the question this time. Is infanticide OK?
@Noisegator I haven't dodged any questions, but I haven't been asked any by people as rude as you are, so I'm making an exception. If you want answers, go read the Bible. I'm through with you.
You know if God is just made up and there is no such thing as spirituality, why then is there %80 believers? Turning our back on God is just giving ourselves a temporary green light to do what ever we want, and to try to hide from conviction. The most valuable thing in life is free, yet so many will miss out. Our time on earth is just a "blip" on the screen compared to the after life. Today my prayer goes out to the Atheists. †
So acr08807, your baseless, wishful, arrogant, irresponsible beliefs are not superstitious but everyone else's, even other christians, are superstitious.
And you see no problem making a statement like this, especially after telling us that while you would not stone disobedient children to death, that's what god wants and you are prepared to do his will.
@Noisegator, I do see the moral disconnect. Athiests are without God, so, for them, morality is whatever they want it to be. That's not really morality at all, it's just hedonism.
Persecution by non-believers is also a sure sign of the End of Times.
The really sad thing about this video is that they seem to be such a nice family. It really breaks my heart knowing that God wants them all to burn in Hell forever.
Yeah, right...because believers have been persecuted so much. Seems to me, it's quite the other way around. If you would just limit yourself to killing other religious people, that would be fine. Just leave us alone.
Please demonstrate an example of persecution by non-believers in this video. I see it absolutely nowhere. You seem like an incredibly unpleasant person if you support the eternal torture of such a nice family. If it breaks your heart that God wants them to suffer, then why do you support this belief?
@couldbesunshine I don't tell God what to do. I don't want disobedient children or rape victims or homosexuals to be stoned to death, but that's what God wants. I don't want Christians to have to shun non-Christians as friends, but that's what God wants. I don't want sinners to go to Hell like this family, but that is God's will.
His will be done, not mine.
Anyway, not wanting something doesn't make it untrue. Hopefully you won't make the same mistake these people did and burn for it.
You know what? I'm beginning to suspect I've only been feeding a troll. No real person could be this genuinely obtuse. Farewell, and good luck in your endeavors.
@arpakyna God does not always get what He wants. He doesn't want us to sin, yet most people sin. He doesn't want us to worship other gods, yet the world is filled with pagans. He doesn't want us building statues of things in Heaven and decorating our churches with them, yet we have the Catholic church.
If you have evidence that God doesn't exist, or that the Bible does not properly represent His point of view, I'm all ears.
@robertwc82 ALL gods were invented by the feeble mind of some mortal" is pretty insulting." It's also a positive statement, so please prove it. Or do you want everyone to believe you raped a 4 month old baby then butchered and ate it?
BTW, here's a negative claim for you:
I claim that those who think God exists are not wrong.
So, do you still standing by your statement that only positive claims require proof?
yes that was a positive claim that all gods were invented, and in theory it could be proven but it would require time travel. i mean can you prove J.R.R Tolkein invented Hobbits? (well hypothetically yes but it wouldnt be easy)
as for your second question, you have merely rephrased a positive styatement, its still a positive statement you are saying you think people who think god is real are correct, prove it.
@robertwc82 Finally, we're getting somewhere. If you admit that a hypothesis is testable even though the test requires time travel, then the Bible is easily as testable as your statement about all gods being invented by man. Just go back 6,000 years or so, and either Adam is there or he isn't. Either the dead walked when Jesus died, or they didn't. Thanks for showing that Christianity is as rational as atheism.
NO it is up to YOU to build the time machine and go back and prove it before you make a claim!
once you go back and see for yourself then your claims and beleifs will be justified, untill then they are UNJUSTIFIED and they will remain unjustified no need for me to lift a finger. YOU justify YOUR claims
all im claiming is your claims are baseless untill YOU justify them they will remain so
i hope they never put you on a jury! you woud assume guilt untill innocence is proven
no, its not up to me. my claim is a negative claim yours is a positive claim. it is positive claims that hold the burden of proof, fool.
im not claiming in the existence of anything.
if i was to claim there was no such thing as trees it would not be up to me to prove they dont exist it would be up to the people claiming there is, all they would have to do is point at a tree and say theres one.
@robertc82 I made no claim about molesting children, and whatever you believe about that is fine with me. God knows what's in my heart, and that's what I care about.
Thanks for the clarification about positive and negative claims. In your view, is there a difference between agnosticism and atheism?
Youare claiming something positive. You're claiming that, for every religion,there existed at least one person who made it up.
Do you acknowledge that a negative claim can be false?
im not saying you claim to molest children, im saying if i claim that (according to your logic) you must somehow disprove it. wouldnt make that accusation and expect you to prove it, the stateent i dont molest children can not be proven, ever, hence it is up to the accuser to prove it. thats how the justice system works you are innocent by default untill the accuser or claiment provides evidence "beyong reasonable doubt"
i acknowledge negative claims can be false but im saying you cant prove a negative claim.
if i said trees dont exist and i was right how could i prove it. i could photograph every metre of the earths surface but that would only prove you cant find them on earths surface but yes if you found one the negative claim would be proven false but it can never be proven to be true
as for me claiming something positive, you got me there, if i maske the claim or religions are invented by mortals, it would be up to me it prove it
but for me to make that claim there 1st must be the claim that something else invented religions
and untill that has been established there is no reason to accept that claim. my positive claim, no matter how foolish will not give any weight to another positive claim
just like if you accused me of molesting children it would not mean that you dont
as for the difference between atheism and agnosticism, thats a bit of a grey area if you are asking for dictionary definition, but in my opinion atheism is the beleif gods dont exist and agnosticism is someone who has no beleifs, they accept what they know they know and what they dont know, they dont know.
i believe there are no gods in the same way i beleive there is no tooth fairy but i would never say i know for a 100% fact the tooth fairy doesnt exist but i would say that the idea that such a thing would exist is rediculous.
so to me an agnostic is only 50% certain were as an atheist is like 90-99% certain
it is the people who are claiming something is 100% certain who are most foolish. which isnt many people, most theists have doubts they just dont readily admit it because they feel guilty
@robert82 I'm only 99% certain that God exists, so we're basically on the same page.
I claim that, right now, you do not see a black swan. That is a negative claim, yet you can easily prove it or disprove it. How does that fit in your view of the logic of negative and positive claims?
While I find your 1920's era logical positivism quaint, philosophy has advanced a little since then. We're all Bayesians now, equally adept at evaluating evidence regarding all claims.
im like 0.00000000009% sure that god exists you are 99% sure, trust me were on a different page
as for the black swan, i never claimed i did see a black swan but if i was seeing a black swan and you claimed i was not, then who is the one with the burden of proof? ME! if infact if was seeing one i could show evidence for it, what evidence can you show that im not?
by the way black swans are native to my country and its quite possible that i am infact looking at one, how you gonna prove it im not?
so what you are saying is the people who think there is only 1 god and thats the christian god are right and the people who thinkthere are many gods are also right?
all these gods that contradict each other can not all be right.
still havnt seen any proof you dont rape children and by your logic everything is true untill proven false
it breaks your heart because you have higher moral standards than your imaginary freind and his petty human-like pride. why dont you imagine up a new god that is nice, one that only punishes injustice, not just for failing to strke his enourmous ego instead of a holy text you could have a holy DVD or something.
whats stopping you? all superstitious beleifs are just man made fictions. ALL OF THEM
@robertwc82, why is it that so few atheists can talk about religious issues without resorting to insulting the intelligence of believers? Dawkins doesn't do that. Even Hitchens doesn't do that, though he's certainly got plenty of insults to throw around on other issues.
It must be nice to be the one guy in the world who knows everything and is smarter than the rest of us. But that guy is God, not you.
@virtualguitarist The Bible tells us that God choses who will be saved:
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. John 15:16
But, like you, I, too, feel compassion for the atheists. I pray for them, too.
Have you seen that the universe always existed and will always exist?
How come you have taken one side over the other. It is wiser for you to say 'I don't know,' and I will subject myself to further scrutiny, than to take a stand and say there's 'No God' because you have taken that stand and you have no evidence.
You avoid my question. How do you know there's not multiple universes? How do you know that the universe is not eternal and finite? How do you know there was not more than one god? How do you know that there is not no god?
You see, science tries its best to answer these deeper life questions, but it admits when it does not know, and only takes a stand one a certain issue when it does have the evidence and proof to back it up. Science does not just give up and say God is the answer.
....that is what religion does and has done for years. Before we knew about electricity, they thought god was the cause. Before we knew about antibiotics, they thought prayer was the cure.
I have no problem saying that as of now, we do not have answers to those questions. I do not want to be intellectually lazy and weak minded to just take the stance that it was god without question or more importantly without proof. Ironically, isn't that what you wrongly accused me of doing?
the question is what came before and the answer is harder for people to accept because most believe time exist as a physical plane instead of a measurement of distance and speed. The big bang is still happening and we're so small it seems like everything is static when that couldn't be further from the truth..all things will turn to ashes/dark matter and then this universe will collapse though lack of solar/gama ray energy and gravity will crush this reality into nothingness or a new universe..
If numerous gods ruled over the world and each of these gods acted and gave commands in accordance with his own will, the order of the universe would dissolve into anarchy.
If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
The reason we have this "new atheism" is because the older generation is dying out, and is being replaced by a new generation who grew up in a time where we know so much more about life and the universe. "God" is a relic of the dark ages.
as the years go by people are getting smarter and we also see that as the years go by more and more people decide not to believe in god, see a pattern, just relax atheists there will be a time when religion dies, its inevitable, as a race we will come to our senses.
It is your unhelpful unquestioning attitude (as well as mine @ the time) that led to my mother spending thousands on useless treatments. And how bad did we feel when we realised the bullshit we were being sold?
How are you any better than those who sit back allowing fraud to occur? What is the moral difference?
Dawkins promotes science over blind faith, is it such a bad thing? Do you believe because you saw evidence or because your parents said so?
I don't have a problem with those who follow things such as astrology or religion provided they are not involving it in politics (something to do with evidence ;) ). And besides, it is the questioning nature of society which has allowed it to progress from the dark ages. You will think of Dawkins as "militant", but what you don't realise is, that he and many others are not trying to censor religion, but remove the special it right it has i.e the immunity it has from criticism.
I don't make claims of things which cannot be proven until after you die. I don't seek grieving relatives (after having researched the dead relative) claiming I can talk to their dead loved one. Nor do I claim to have alphawave healing powers which will exorcise your demons. I don't do the "you'll burn in hell forever if you don't believe in god" thing either.
Yet you still liken me to those who do these things? Sorry I wasted your time.
this TV crew makes a refreshing change from Faux Nooz
aussiesam01 2 weeks ago
Why are we more outspoken now? huh let me think, because the church can't BURN US ALIVE like they used to (not that our atheist ancestors didn't stand up, but many stayed hidden). Religion's time is over and it is the obligation of all good moral people to dig the whole for this wretched metal illness from our primitive scientifically dark ages to lay dead in.
TheAtheistSocialist 2 weeks ago
Astonishing that in a highly technological society in the 21st century, not believing in a god or gods is considered newsworthy.
apeswithhobbies 2 months ago
"Where do you place your trust in time of need?" -Well, personally, I put my trust in my loved ones. My friends and my family are pretty much all I need.
skywize 2 months ago
"Where do you place your trust in time of need?" In my humanity. It is very clear to me that any deity will be inhumane, that to submit myself to another's judgement is enslavement (and enslavement to something for which I have no evidence that it exists)
"Where do you place your hope in a time of crisis of confidence?" I base my hope on my innate ability to understand the nature of my surroundings, including my society (just as you do). I don't just submit myself, I act.
drfoxcourt 2 months ago
Atheists put on a good face regarding their ethics because they kind of have to.
NYerintransit 3 months ago
@NYerintransit It's true. Most believers think we worship devils, or simply hate whatever god the believer worships. Also, most think that without their god's commandments, a nonbeliever could never be moral. Morality, I have found, does not come from gods, but ourselves. Seeing someone suffer makes me want to help them. I was not told to by one of the gods, it is simply in our nature.
skywize 2 months ago
Just be honest, u only belive cause others belive.
hoolikassoolikas 3 months ago
This really warms my heart portion of my brain.:D
thenofxer 4 months ago
And we are growing! Exciting times. We can speak now without the fear of being stoned, burned at the stake, ostracized etc! Life is good!
TheLawlbringer 4 months ago
A bunch o' satanists is what they is!
rpsmith014 5 months ago
@rpsmith014 they... is? sorry, but it irks me, lol. Kidding aside, not believing in a god tends to forgo believing in a devil. Since, no devil has been created outside of a religion, you must believe in a god first. Atheists believe in neither since there is no reason to.
skywize 2 months ago
@skywize Somebody forgot to turn on their sarcasm detector when they woke up today. XD
rpsmith014 2 months ago
@rpsmith014 I'm a moron. Sorry, lmao!! In my defense, I was minutes from going to sleep.
skywize 2 months ago
@skywize haha It's cool. Happens to me on occasion.
rpsmith014 2 months ago
@rpsmith014 On occasion? Lucky bastard. lol
skywize 2 months ago
If you need strength to get you through tragedy, if you need hope to get you through difficulty, if you need to depend on someone to get you through adversity, don’t waste your time kneeling before a cross; start by standing in front of a mirror. Strength comes from within.
nichtmuttersprachler 5 months ago
when you stop believing in God you start believing yourself.
CodeNamedAsdfg12345 5 months ago
Ron Low is the biggest tool bag I have ever seen.
MacHead31 5 months ago
Attention Theists. Atheism is the ultimate conclusion one arrives at after rigorous investigation to find unequivocally no evidence for any religious claims. It is this scrutiny that propagates people to become nonbelievers.
We know the shit your selling.
Reason and investigation is the death nail to superstition and ignorance.
scotttebben 5 months ago
When an atheist is faces with a crisis of confidence or trust...Ultimately you get all the facts available and make the best guess possible.
formless777 6 months ago
@formless777 i like the way you sum up religion and picking a god out of the 100`s out there ......"make the best guess possible"...........i couldnt have described it better myself......well done!
themoronhunter 5 months ago
@themoronhunter
Thanks for the compliment, I guess the same reasoning can apply to any choice. I was actually responding to the comment by the Catholic Priest on the video who asked what atheists do when faced with a crisis of confidence or trust. As to choosing deities, why choose one when you could choose many ? I think the evidence is pretty clear that all these religious brand names are just empty marketing.
formless777 5 months ago
I place my trust where it logically goes and to the extent at which it should be given. I don't have crises of confidence. Answered.
Thatmakessense356 6 months ago
American Cancer Society, Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, American Heart Association, Doctors Without Borders, Meals on Wheels, Wounded Warrior Project, Peace Corps, Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America - ALL working toward the greater good, WITHOUT a single mention of god. Being good without god is too easy. Try it sometime!
joshthesarge 6 months ago
wow, what a load of KWRAP! 20 to 30% of the US population have no reason to think any gods exist, and we represent the TOP end of the intelligence scale. Most doctors, engineers, scientists and professors are atheists, by a huge margin.
We dont have to justify our understanding that religion is a scam. I have never seen such a patronizing 'news story'
MrHobiecat 6 months ago 2
@MrHobiecat Agreed.
avdmeers 6 months ago
I don’t have any invisible friends, magic talismans, sacred rituals or fairy storeys to turn to in times of trouble, the only one I can turn to is me.
hawkertruffelsnout 6 months ago 2
Outspoken Minority? I prefer thinking of us as the voice of reason.
jle201 6 months ago 3
"Lash out"! As if atheists were doing something irrational by saying they support the separation of Church and State...
flibbertergibbet 7 months ago 2
Incredibly you'll often find those who are very religious and claim to have a deep belief in a sky fairy called "God", who will argue you down that there is no way aliens, spirits (which their God is supposedly one), or many other so-called paranormal beings exist. Religion (to my eyes) is the largest, most dangerous instance of a mass delusion (if not hysteria) that has ever existed.
mdv409 8 months ago
I have a question for religious people: How can a person lead a good and moral life WITH God -- following the evil, brutal, sadistic and inhumane examples in the Bible? Genocide, slavery, repression of women, child murder, wife-beating, human sacrifice, blood offerings, rape, pillage, pedophilia, ethnic cleansing, and on and on, all carried out in the name of God (or by God Himself.)
artgoat 8 months ago
@artgoat Your comment is among one of the best anti-religion comments I've read on here. The problem with religious followers is that they pick and choose bible passages, and for some odd reason they ignore all of the fucked up things that the bible says is OK. I'm an atheist and a good person who doesn't need religion to tell me how to behave as a good person.
xxplayguitarxx 8 months ago
@artgoat How is it moral to tell people the act of being born is an evil sin, that warrents eternal torture?
How is it moral to take an innocent man off the street, beat him severly, then execute him and say "Now my crimes have been paid in full" ?! Executing an innocent human sacrifice is the OPPOSITE of justice and morality?
and how does it get any better by pretending to eat the dead mans flesh and drink his blood?
Christianity is a test, if you subscribe to it, you FAILED!
MrHobiecat 6 months ago 3
its CBS, if it was fox then all atheists would be demons in the shadows
megastratix 9 months ago
why am I outspoken about my atheism? I have always been an atheist, since I started thinking by myself, when I was around 8 years old. I began speaking up and believers started attacking me. So I realized that either I fought back or I got bullied. So I fought back and keep fighting back. I am outspoken and critical about religious faith. I don't take shit from believers and confront them at all possible times. Not only is faith idiotic but it is poison for the human mind. Destroy religion now!
TheOzomahtli 9 months ago
honestly, a documentary specifically about people who dont believe in god. This can only exist in the US, any european will simply laugh at this.
joe80dmanizanerd 9 months ago
@joe80dmanizanerd americans think atheists are a rare species, we're more free to speak up in europe so people dont pay much notice.
megastratix 9 months ago
nobody gives a shit about atheists except for themselves and religious fundamentalists
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir
and you, since you clicked on this video.
roont 8 months ago
@ 3:43
Friends... family... myself. Some people simply do not require an omnipresent father-figure in their lives.
Wrathmont313 10 months ago
Where do I place my hope and "faith" in a time of need?
In the search and rescue people who compare what was there and now isn't and directs teams to go search in an area
In the guy who picks up a shovel and starts to dig me out of the mudslide
In the EMT who comes to treat me, my wife, my kids and all my neighbors with first emergency response aid
That is where my hope and "faith" comes in. I'd rather see 2 hands working than a 1000 hands praying as the working hands are really doing something
sol3a1 10 months ago 6
continued..... in God because I was told to do so, or do I believe because I personally came to that conclusion?" Just give yourself the option to decide for yourself. If you still believe, then, by all means, continue to do so.
infinteuniverse 11 months ago
Most of us are indoctrinated into believing in God by our parents or relatives, even I was. A few years ago, some of my highschool friends and I were talking about God, and I was so shocked to find out that a couple of my friends were atheists. I thought to my self, "How can anybody not believe in God? Poor guys." Now I understand. To those of you religious people who believe, because it's what your parents taught you, just stop and think for yourselves. Question yourself, do I believe...
infinteuniverse 11 months ago
Man I love this! Finally I, as an atheist, am for once the strange and alien being that needs to be explained to people. Where I come from people don't have to be explained that we are normal. It's a given. Oddly enough when I first saw this family in the video I thought they looked kinda christian with their wholesome activities. Just goes to show that I'm not above stereotyping even though I'd like to be.
tuschman168 11 months ago
Christianity: An invisible man in the sky, who watches over you 24 hours a day, has a list of 10 things you cannot do. And if you do one of those things, you are banished into a miserable, fiery place to burn, suffer, and scream for all eternity. But this invisible man loves you!
How can anyone honestly believe that shit?
PalerLaze 1 year ago
I grew up going to church and since I can remember there was never proof to back up their claims. Grown men and women talking about seeing angles and ghosts. Are you f-in kidding me?! It has always been (in my vision) some superstitious fantasy. It is also proven that as a country becomes more industrialized and educated, its Athiest population grows. What does this tell you?!
MrCOLE1023 1 year ago
why are atheists today more outspoken? Because they aren't killed for it anymore... (most of the time).
xxRockst4r 1 year ago
@xxRockst4r Just like how there are now more known religions than in the early world.
There are more religions because they aren't being killed just because they don't agree on something.
(Most of the time)
Zessinna 1 year ago
Those that cry the loudest are typically the most lost.
drjackflash 1 year ago
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there is no god
GreatestViewpoint 1 year ago
"Where do you place your trust in time of need, where do you place your hope..."
Well, Bishop Hansen, it isn't always easy living without that always ready-at-hand crutch you've so come do depend on, but it comes with WAY too many strings attached for me to even think it's OK for those who cannot do without it.
I don't think it's OK for any of us to believe WHATEVER we feel "works" for us - with no regard whatever for what's ACTUALLY true.
steveb0503 1 year ago
In a moment of crisis, I solve it myself instead of praying for my invisible friend named god to give me a miracle, maybe sometimes ill turn to my loving family for help instead of again praying for my invisible friend to save me.
austincmcm 1 year ago 18
@austincmcm imaginary friend!
MrHobiecat 6 months ago
WHAT??!?!?! Coverage of atheists with religious people who actually understand what's going on rather than offering platitudes? Whoa. Mindfuck.
BalzacCinema 1 year ago
We don't place our trust in the non-existant. Where do you place your trust?
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 why do you need to put your trust in someone else?
christinepeace 1 year ago
@christinepeace I put my trust in experts because I do not have the training, nor the time to be my own expert. I am not a physicist, medical doctor, cosmologist, biologist, and indeed most other types of expert. The wisdom is in knowing which experts to trust. It is unavoidable; we must trust those who actually know.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 excuse me please I miss read your first statement.
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 1 year ago
@christinepeace No worries.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
this study is deceiving...it states 25% of people dont believe in God but in reality only 5% of the world believes in no higher power, life force or God at all.
gmenfan48 1 year ago
@gmenfan48 You're comparing figures for the United States with those of the whole world, so yes, the figures are not going to match. Plus some studies have put the global percentage of atheists anywhere from 2% to 12.5% so there really is no clear figure.
elsparx 1 year ago
@elsparx no im actually not "no religion" does not mean atheist. It's somewhere between 5 and 10% and that does not exclude the communists countries where atheism is enforced. Im not arguing that there is no clear figure because anyone can write anything in statistical polls...but surely its not 25%.
gmenfan48 1 year ago
While I think this is a good report that gives a nice perspective on atheism, it always irks me when they say things like "they are atheists, they don't believe in God."
It should be "they are atheists, they dont' believe in gods." Plural and non-personal, not singular, personal, and discriminatory to the "Christian God" majority of the US. All gods, capital G or not.
Its an easy mistake to make for those who are not atheistic or non-religious, but its a fundamental distinction.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
I worship SATAN!
martyaus2905 1 year ago
is this really what America believes, that god is immensely popular
pireninja 1 year ago
While I warmly thank the reporters for the gesture, I think coverage like this can be harmful to Atheism, and here's why. They made it seem like the family was 'special' in some way, it only serves to further the divide. Nonetheless thanks for your support.
Also, they seem to make Agnosticism and Atheism sound mutually exclusive, when almost all Atheists I know are also Agnostics. Atheism addresses belief, Agnosticism addresses claim to knowledge.
Good reporting, that's a first.
SirPwn4lot 1 year ago
this news shit make atheists look weird
simw7 1 year ago
@iceyjohnny66 Yea Lets not forget about the 250 million innocent lives that Atheist regimes have taken in the last 100 years alone. Lets gloss over the thornier issues about the atheist religion.
camaroontree 1 year ago
@camaroontree How about the 6 million jews killed for Jesus. You have no argument.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
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The contract entered into with any god of your choosing is very simple and always the same.
You agree that you must one day die to go and be with your god.
That is the pact that is made.
No one said you had to die but your god.
Death is eternity in the Sun, the blazing lake of fire, where all excess energy in this Solar System goes..
This also includes human life force energy released from the body at death.
Therefore it is not wise to follow the religious to god.
truthtrekker 1 year ago
"...to see how the other side thinks..."
What about other religions? Has anyone tried any of those?
MutantBamHammer 1 year ago
At some point humans will need to kill all religious people to save this planet. The illogical dangerous ideologies of ridiculous crazy mindsets like islamianity and christianity to name 2 must be elasticated.You will need to decide whether you are human or you are a dangerous joke deserving of death.
699backstab 1 year ago
@699backstab Educate not kill..
Tlincali 1 year ago
Huh. Easitly the most unbiased coverage atheists have gotten. It warms the cockles of my faithless heart to know that, finally, at long last, the immage that Fox gives us isn't the only one reaching the people.
DarkJakable 1 year ago 31
The important question is , what if the invisible black swan ordered you to kill your children for disobedience, acr08807?
You have already indicated that you would comply with the murderous orders of invisible beings, would this case be any different?
Noisegator 1 year ago
holy mother, a jewish atheist? i would love to know them..
jojoinhere 1 year ago
robertwc82 - You are wasting your time with ACR, he's incapable of honesty even with himself, let alone others. Witness the hateful statements he makes and lacks the courage and moral fortitude to even acknowledge.
I mean, how many days has it been and he still can't tell the difference between a negative and positive assertion.
SO, ACR - would you kill your children or not. Dont think too hard about it.
Noisegator 1 year ago
how can i prove i dont see a black swan lol, i could claim there isnt one to see but he could claim im halucinating it lol, i could easily prove i am if there was one, i could take a photo of me looking at it with a certificate from an optomitrist who has tested my vision lol
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 You make an excellent point, it's difficult to prove that you are having a subjective experience. Let me rephrase--I claim there is no black swan within 3 feet of you at this moment. That is an objective, negative claim that can easily be proved or disproved, isn't it?
acr08807 1 year ago
ok, if you think so, then prove that there is no black swan with in 3 feet of me.
robertwc82 1 year ago
My point isn't whether there is or there isn't a black swan within three feet of you, but more of a question to you. Is that a claim that, in your view, is subject to proof at all?
acr08807 1 year ago
ofcourse it is subject to proof.
now can you tell me who's responsability it is to provide the proof?
is it:
A. the person saying there IS a swan? (positive claim)
or B. the person saying there is NOT a black swan? (negative claim)
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 It's the responsibility of the person who wants to prove or disprove it.
Consider A and B, both well respected environmental scientists who have examined land use in a city, but not sampled any water. A says there is arsenic in the city water supply (positive claim). B says there is no arsenic in the city water supply (negative claim). Who bears the burden of proof?
acr08807 1 year ago
ok so lets say that person B does an experiment to show that there are no traces of arsenic in the city water supply.
he takes a sample and finds no trace
does this prove there is nor has ever been arsenic in the water?
does it only prove the sample did not show any signs of arsenic? (which just means he did not find it, it still could be there)
how could i possibly prove there is no black swan?
robertwc82 1 year ago
you really are thick if you still dont get it.
the reason why the burden of proof falls on the person making a positive claim is because a positive claim CAN be proven whereas a negative claim CAN NOT BE PROVEN!
get it into your feeble brain YOU CANT PROVE A NEGATIVE CLAIM
just like you still havnt shown me evidence that you dont molest children. can you think of any evidence for you not molesting children can possibly exist?
i know you dont, so why cant you prove it???
robertwc82 1 year ago
I'm a full professor of Physics at an Ivy Leagues school, so I'm pretty sure I'm not feebleminded. But I'm used to people who just don't get it being insulting.
You're the director of water for the city and you want to know whether the water is safe to drink. Would you (a) take samples and test them or (b) say you can't prove a negative, so just let everyone drink?
I'd order the tests. Science is about the best evidence, not being able to absolutely prove or disprove anything.
acr08807 1 year ago
i dont care what title you have, you have shown yourself to have an extremely slow wit.
why would you test for arsenic if there was no indication of arsenic being present in the 1st place?
does taking a sample prove that there is not 1single molecule of arsenic in the city water supply or does it indicate not a sinlge moecule WAS DETECTED in the test sample?
you still havnt shown any evidence for you not molesting children
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 It seems we've come to an impasse. I'm a pretty good educator, but I'm just not going to be able to get through to you. You ought to go ask a logician what philosophers currently think about the positive/negative distinction, it will (well, it might) open your eyes.
You should also ask them what they think of the ad hominem fallacy, which seems to be your primary means of debating.
It's been nice talking to you.
acr08807 1 year ago
acr08807 - You are NOT a professor of anything anywhere. You are clearly a delusional person who can't rub two thoughts together and make an idea.
Dr. Delusional, holding the Kirk Cameron chair at Bibles'r'Us College, maybe.
You can't even account for your advocating the murder of children. Do invisible beings often instruct you to kill your disobedient kids? Do you obey?
Own your words, Doc!
Noisegator 1 year ago
No, you're not a "full professor" of anything.
NidisListenstoShit 1 year ago
@NidisListenstoShit Believe what you want to believe, Nidis, it makes no difference to me.
You might want to take a look at Daniel Dennett's and Richard Dawkins's work. Both are good scientists and thoughtful athiests, yet neither ever raises the issue of different burdens of proof for "positive" and "negative" claims. Why do you think that is?
acr08807 1 year ago
@ acr08807 - Still hiding behind your misunderstanding of positive and negative claims, Professor?
FYI - One of Dawkin's fave sayings is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" (or some variation of the day). He also regularly refutes the logical fallacy of asking for proof of the non-existence of something for which there is no evidence (i.e. a negative claim).
So, Professor, have you stoned any of your children for disobedience today, like you said Jehovah told you to?
Noisegator 1 year ago
B claiming there is No arsenic in the water is NOT A NEGATIVE CLAIM, Professor! Just using the word no or not does not make a claim negative.
There is a thing called arsenic. There is a thing called water. They may be combined or they may not. These are real states of existence which can be tested for.
Invisible friends do not equal the presence or absence of arsenic in water, Professor.
Noisegator 1 year ago
@acr08807 - that's a completely different argument. The argument of whether the gods exists is an unfalsifiable one -- not a simple "negative claim" vs. "positive claim." The burden of proof is on the proof for the god(s). Spectacular claims, moreover require spectacular proofs.
LaVraiVerite 1 year ago
@LaVraiVerite I agree that positive claim versus negative claim is a distinction without intellectual merit; that's the point I was arguing. As for falsifiability, nobody takes Popper that seriously anymore. For example, it isn't possible to falsify the either the claim that "no perpetual motion machine can be built" or that "a perpetual motion machine can be built," but science should hardly remain silent on that subject, and when science speaks to it, it should be informed by experiment.
acr08807 1 year ago
@LaVraiVerite How are we to determine whether something is a spectacular claim? The notion of their being one or more gods is spectacular to me, but so is the notion of their being no god at all. Is there some objective definition, or is it just up to everyone to decide for themselves which claims are "spectacular?"
acr08807 1 year ago
@acr08807 - good point. It's subjective at that point, isn't it?
LaVraiVerite 1 year ago
@robertwc82, in the last 30 years, I've read around 75,000 scientific papers. None of them--not one--has ever said "we don't have to prove that, because it's a negative claim." In science, whoever wants to make a claim bears the responsibility for presenting the evidence that supports it. We've been pretty successful at this for the last 450 years or so.
I really do think you'd find it interesting to talk to a logician about this. I'm not trying to be patronizing--I've done the same.
acr08807 1 year ago
@robert82 BTW, I think the tooth fairy probably exists, but is a demon. Not sure about that one, though, so it's just my best guess.
acr08807 1 year ago
roflmao!
robertwc82 1 year ago
@acr08807 SAID "I don't want disobedient children or rape victims or homosexuals to be stoned to death, but that's what God wants."
HEY acr08807 WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO OWN UP TO THIS STATEMENT?
Answer the question! If jehovah told you to kill your children WOULD YOU DO IT?
Simple question - YES or NO!
Stop dodging the question. Be a mensch! Own your words. Stop equivocating. Man up. Be honest. Don't chicken out.
ANSWER THE QUESTION! Yes or NO?
That's simple enough even for you.
Noisegator 1 year ago
@robertwc82 I'd like to follow up on your point about positive and negative claims. Would you please tell me which of these is a positive claim and which is a negative claim?
(1) Christians are right about God.
(2) Christians are wrong about God.
(3) Atheists are right about God.
(4) Atheists are wrong about God.
acr08807 1 year ago
god exists = positive claim
god doesnt exist = negative claim
1-4 are statements about the validity of another claim, that claim being god exists
but before you can start saying who is wrong and who is right you have to establish the legitmacy of the 1st claim, and that is god exists,
christian: "god exists" = positive claim
athiest: "really, prove it" = not a claim at all
robertwc82 1 year ago
@acr08807 - You have COMPLETELY dodged my questions - TWICE.
And if you think asking you to explain your disgusting justifications for committing murder is insulting just wait until you really get me PISSED OFF, you simpering twit.
SO will you confirm that you would commit murder if Jehovah told you to or NOT?
Simple question (to which you have already answered YES, by the way. I am just offering you a chance to explain your abominable behaviour.
PS: I have read the bible. Have You?
Noisegator 1 year ago
acr08807 said - "I don't want disobedient children or rape victims or homosexuals to be stoned to death, but that's what God wants."
THIS is the moral disconnect I am talking about! This is your reasoning for committing atrocities. Here you demonstrate your willingness to murder your children, if it's "what God wants".'
And yet you lecture Atheists on their LACK of moral fiber? What constitutes dangerous hypocrisy in your little world?
Don't dodge the question this time. Is infanticide OK?
Noisegator 1 year ago
@Noisegator I haven't dodged any questions, but I haven't been asked any by people as rude as you are, so I'm making an exception. If you want answers, go read the Bible. I'm through with you.
acr08807 1 year ago
You know if God is just made up and there is no such thing as spirituality, why then is there %80 believers? Turning our back on God is just giving ourselves a temporary green light to do what ever we want, and to try to hide from conviction. The most valuable thing in life is free, yet so many will miss out. Our time on earth is just a "blip" on the screen compared to the after life. Today my prayer goes out to the Atheists. †
virtualguitarist 1 year ago
And so I ask: why do I need a God to be a good person?
Well, I don't.
krusaderkrusader3 1 year ago
So acr08807, your baseless, wishful, arrogant, irresponsible beliefs are not superstitious but everyone else's, even other christians, are superstitious.
And you see no problem making a statement like this, especially after telling us that while you would not stone disobedient children to death, that's what god wants and you are prepared to do his will.
Do you not see the moral disconnect here?
Noisegator 2 years ago
@Noisegator, I do see the moral disconnect. Athiests are without God, so, for them, morality is whatever they want it to be. That's not really morality at all, it's just hedonism.
acr08807 1 year ago
I don't think religious stance is significant. It's only "significant" because the press make it so.
cartmanspp2 2 years ago
Respectful piece. Way different than fox news.
Yes we atheists are here and we grow in number.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago 2
The growth in atheism is a sure sign of the End of Times.
acr08807 2 years ago
You end timers are one crazy bunch.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago 4
Persecution by non-believers is also a sure sign of the End of Times.
The really sad thing about this video is that they seem to be such a nice family. It really breaks my heart knowing that God wants them all to burn in Hell forever.
acr08807 2 years ago
Yeah, right...because believers have been persecuted so much. Seems to me, it's quite the other way around. If you would just limit yourself to killing other religious people, that would be fine. Just leave us alone.
BarbazuX 2 years ago
Another violent, anti-Christian bigot on youtube. What a shock.
acr08807 2 years ago
Please demonstrate an example of persecution by non-believers in this video. I see it absolutely nowhere. You seem like an incredibly unpleasant person if you support the eternal torture of such a nice family. If it breaks your heart that God wants them to suffer, then why do you support this belief?
couldbesunshine 2 years ago
@couldbesunshine I don't tell God what to do. I don't want disobedient children or rape victims or homosexuals to be stoned to death, but that's what God wants. I don't want Christians to have to shun non-Christians as friends, but that's what God wants. I don't want sinners to go to Hell like this family, but that is God's will.
His will be done, not mine.
Anyway, not wanting something doesn't make it untrue. Hopefully you won't make the same mistake these people did and burn for it.
acr08807 2 years ago
You know what? I'm beginning to suspect I've only been feeding a troll. No real person could be this genuinely obtuse. Farewell, and good luck in your endeavors.
couldbesunshine 2 years ago 2
Good bye, and thank you. I'll pray for you.
acr08807 2 years ago
Saying that to an atheist should be a hate crime.
coreygames 2 years ago 2
@coreygames - If christians say they will pray for me I say, "Thank you. And I will pray for you."
They hate that.
Noisegator 2 years ago
The christian god is an asshole. Christianity is just as bad as dogmatic Islam and has just as much evidence for its validity.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
acr08807
"I don't want disobedient children or rape victims or homosexuals to be stoned to death, but that's what God wants."
What God wants, God gets. God help us all. (?)
PS. Thank God there is not one shred of evidence for existence of Bible's heavenly brain police.
arpakyna 1 year ago
@arpakyna God does not always get what He wants. He doesn't want us to sin, yet most people sin. He doesn't want us to worship other gods, yet the world is filled with pagans. He doesn't want us building statues of things in Heaven and decorating our churches with them, yet we have the Catholic church.
If you have evidence that God doesn't exist, or that the Bible does not properly represent His point of view, I'm all ears.
acr08807 1 year ago
positive claims are the claims that require proof.
"it is" is a positive claim, "it isnt" is a negative claim
i can just as easily claim you raped a 4 month old baby then butchered and ate it.
shall we all just assume that its true untill you can prove it isnt?
im pretty sure you would never do that (not many would) but there is no possible way to prove it, you cant prove a negative
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 ALL gods were invented by the feeble mind of some mortal" is pretty insulting." It's also a positive statement, so please prove it. Or do you want everyone to believe you raped a 4 month old baby then butchered and ate it?
BTW, here's a negative claim for you:
I claim that those who think God exists are not wrong.
So, do you still standing by your statement that only positive claims require proof?
acr08807 1 year ago
i stand by it 100%
yes that was a positive claim that all gods were invented, and in theory it could be proven but it would require time travel. i mean can you prove J.R.R Tolkein invented Hobbits? (well hypothetically yes but it wouldnt be easy)
as for your second question, you have merely rephrased a positive styatement, its still a positive statement you are saying you think people who think god is real are correct, prove it.
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 Finally, we're getting somewhere. If you admit that a hypothesis is testable even though the test requires time travel, then the Bible is easily as testable as your statement about all gods being invented by man. Just go back 6,000 years or so, and either Adam is there or he isn't. Either the dead walked when Jesus died, or they didn't. Thanks for showing that Christianity is as rational as atheism.
acr08807 1 year ago
NO it is up to YOU to build the time machine and go back and prove it before you make a claim!
once you go back and see for yourself then your claims and beleifs will be justified, untill then they are UNJUSTIFIED and they will remain unjustified no need for me to lift a finger. YOU justify YOUR claims
all im claiming is your claims are baseless untill YOU justify them they will remain so
i hope they never put you on a jury! you woud assume guilt untill innocence is proven
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 Then it is up to YOU to build the time machine and go back and prove that all religions were made up before you make a claim!
Until then that claim is UNJUSTIFIED and there's no need for me to lift a finger.
acr08807 1 year ago
no, its not up to me. my claim is a negative claim yours is a positive claim. it is positive claims that hold the burden of proof, fool.
im not claiming in the existence of anything.
if i was to claim there was no such thing as trees it would not be up to me to prove they dont exist it would be up to the people claiming there is, all they would have to do is point at a tree and say theres one.
robertwc82 1 year ago
f i have to prove my negative claim, then why shouldnt you have to prove you dont molest children?????
you make the claim you dont molest children, how do i know its true untill you prove that it?
what evidence could you possibly provide to prove your claim you d not molest children?
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertc82 I made no claim about molesting children, and whatever you believe about that is fine with me. God knows what's in my heart, and that's what I care about.
Thanks for the clarification about positive and negative claims. In your view, is there a difference between agnosticism and atheism?
Youare claiming something positive. You're claiming that, for every religion,there existed at least one person who made it up.
Do you acknowledge that a negative claim can be false?
acr08807 1 year ago
im not saying you claim to molest children, im saying if i claim that (according to your logic) you must somehow disprove it. wouldnt make that accusation and expect you to prove it, the stateent i dont molest children can not be proven, ever, hence it is up to the accuser to prove it. thats how the justice system works you are innocent by default untill the accuser or claiment provides evidence "beyong reasonable doubt"
robertwc82 1 year ago
i acknowledge negative claims can be false but im saying you cant prove a negative claim.
if i said trees dont exist and i was right how could i prove it. i could photograph every metre of the earths surface but that would only prove you cant find them on earths surface but yes if you found one the negative claim would be proven false but it can never be proven to be true
robertwc82 1 year ago
as for me claiming something positive, you got me there, if i maske the claim or religions are invented by mortals, it would be up to me it prove it
but for me to make that claim there 1st must be the claim that something else invented religions
and untill that has been established there is no reason to accept that claim. my positive claim, no matter how foolish will not give any weight to another positive claim
just like if you accused me of molesting children it would not mean that you dont
robertwc82 1 year ago
as for the difference between atheism and agnosticism, thats a bit of a grey area if you are asking for dictionary definition, but in my opinion atheism is the beleif gods dont exist and agnosticism is someone who has no beleifs, they accept what they know they know and what they dont know, they dont know.
robertwc82 1 year ago
i believe there are no gods in the same way i beleive there is no tooth fairy but i would never say i know for a 100% fact the tooth fairy doesnt exist but i would say that the idea that such a thing would exist is rediculous.
so to me an agnostic is only 50% certain were as an atheist is like 90-99% certain
it is the people who are claiming something is 100% certain who are most foolish. which isnt many people, most theists have doubts they just dont readily admit it because they feel guilty
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robert82 I'm only 99% certain that God exists, so we're basically on the same page.
I claim that, right now, you do not see a black swan. That is a negative claim, yet you can easily prove it or disprove it. How does that fit in your view of the logic of negative and positive claims?
While I find your 1920's era logical positivism quaint, philosophy has advanced a little since then. We're all Bayesians now, equally adept at evaluating evidence regarding all claims.
acr08807 1 year ago
im like 0.00000000009% sure that god exists you are 99% sure, trust me were on a different page
as for the black swan, i never claimed i did see a black swan but if i was seeing a black swan and you claimed i was not, then who is the one with the burden of proof? ME! if infact if was seeing one i could show evidence for it, what evidence can you show that im not?
by the way black swans are native to my country and its quite possible that i am infact looking at one, how you gonna prove it im not?
robertwc82 1 year ago
You wouldn't have the burden of proof at all if you didn't care what I thought about the swan.
You're Australian? That's great. I always wondered what it was like to live your life entirely upside down.
acr08807 1 year ago
yep i am.
if you dont care what people think thats fine its when you have no need to make claims
once you enter your opinions and beleifs into a public forum they are then fair game for ridecule or refutation
robertwc82 1 year ago
so what you are saying is the people who think there is only 1 god and thats the christian god are right and the people who thinkthere are many gods are also right?
all these gods that contradict each other can not all be right.
still havnt seen any proof you dont rape children and by your logic everything is true untill proven false
robertwc82 1 year ago
it breaks your heart because you have higher moral standards than your imaginary freind and his petty human-like pride. why dont you imagine up a new god that is nice, one that only punishes injustice, not just for failing to strke his enourmous ego instead of a holy text you could have a holy DVD or something.
whats stopping you? all superstitious beleifs are just man made fictions. ALL OF THEM
robertwc82 2 years ago 11
@robertwc82 I can't just make up a new God who has different morals. I am a Christian, so I believe in the TRUTH, not a Unitarian.
I agree, all superstitious beliefs are fictions. My faith isn't superstitious, however.
acr08807 2 years ago
rofl, how is it not superstition? faith is not a virtue, faith is just 1 step below gullable.
the TRUTH my freind is that ALL gods were invented by the feeble mind of some mortal, the christian god is no exception.
if yor god was real you would not require any faith lol
robertwc82 2 years ago
@robertwc82, why is it that so few atheists can talk about religious issues without resorting to insulting the intelligence of believers? Dawkins doesn't do that. Even Hitchens doesn't do that, though he's certainly got plenty of insults to throw around on other issues.
It must be nice to be the one guy in the world who knows everything and is smarter than the rest of us. But that guy is God, not you.
acr08807 1 year ago
i'm not saying i dont usually throw insults around but in this case i cant see were i have directed any insults at you.
as far as the reason why, same reason people of faith do.
tell me why do fellow christians resort to physically assaulting non beleivers, without provocation?
"but that guy is god"......or so you IMAGINE
robertwc82 1 year ago
God does not want anyone to burn in hell, they go to hell by choice.
virtualguitarist 1 year ago
@virtualguitarist The Bible tells us that God choses who will be saved:
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. John 15:16
But, like you, I, too, feel compassion for the atheists. I pray for them, too.
acr08807 1 year ago
by atheism do you mean a non beleif in Allah?
or perhaps Zeus?
robertwc82 2 years ago 3
Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 2 years ago
How do you know this is the only universe?
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
Have you seen that the universe always existed and will always exist?
How come you have taken one side over the other. It is wiser for you to say 'I don't know,' and I will subject myself to further scrutiny, than to take a stand and say there's 'No God' because you have taken that stand and you have no evidence.
1tabligh 2 years ago
You avoid my question. How do you know there's not multiple universes? How do you know that the universe is not eternal and finite? How do you know there was not more than one god? How do you know that there is not no god?
You see, science tries its best to answer these deeper life questions, but it admits when it does not know, and only takes a stand one a certain issue when it does have the evidence and proof to back it up. Science does not just give up and say God is the answer.
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
....that is what religion does and has done for years. Before we knew about electricity, they thought god was the cause. Before we knew about antibiotics, they thought prayer was the cure.
I have no problem saying that as of now, we do not have answers to those questions. I do not want to be intellectually lazy and weak minded to just take the stance that it was god without question or more importantly without proof. Ironically, isn't that what you wrongly accused me of doing?
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
the question is what came before and the answer is harder for people to accept because most believe time exist as a physical plane instead of a measurement of distance and speed. The big bang is still happening and we're so small it seems like everything is static when that couldn't be further from the truth..all things will turn to ashes/dark matter and then this universe will collapse though lack of solar/gama ray energy and gravity will crush this reality into nothingness or a new universe..
nsewx 2 years ago
ie- you aging is nothing more then a illness that can be cured in the next few decades.
nsewx 2 years ago
How do you know there was not more than one god?
________
I make a claim of ONE God ( Allah, Lord, Gud, Khuda, etc ) then I will produce the evidence to back it up!
Anyone who claims of, "more than one god" or anything for that matter has to back it up!
If you claim the divinity of anyone besides one God, you need to prove your claim. ...
1tabligh 2 years ago
If numerous gods ruled over the world and each of these gods acted and gave commands in accordance with his own will, the order of the universe would dissolve into anarchy.
If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
Quran 21: 22
1tabligh 2 years ago
The reason we have this "new atheism" is because the older generation is dying out, and is being replaced by a new generation who grew up in a time where we know so much more about life and the universe. "God" is a relic of the dark ages.
ejdf870 2 years ago 2
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Atheism is a disease, Islam is the only cure. Bring Sharia law in USA, we Muslims will kill anyone who does not profess belief in God. Inshallah!
MrArabKing 2 years ago
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science vs. religion? ok, how about this:
the afterlife has been scientifically confirmed.
"Doe's Account " google it.
TheGucccc 2 years ago
God is a fairy tale ! wake up people ! Atheists have answers bible thumpers have excuses !
2012solarboom 2 years ago 3
as the years go by people are getting smarter and we also see that as the years go by more and more people decide not to believe in god, see a pattern, just relax atheists there will be a time when religion dies, its inevitable, as a race we will come to our senses.
DocG1982 2 years ago 3
It is your unhelpful unquestioning attitude (as well as mine @ the time) that led to my mother spending thousands on useless treatments. And how bad did we feel when we realised the bullshit we were being sold?
How are you any better than those who sit back allowing fraud to occur? What is the moral difference?
Dawkins promotes science over blind faith, is it such a bad thing? Do you believe because you saw evidence or because your parents said so?
TurboDally 2 years ago
I don't have a problem with those who follow things such as astrology or religion provided they are not involving it in politics (something to do with evidence ;) ). And besides, it is the questioning nature of society which has allowed it to progress from the dark ages. You will think of Dawkins as "militant", but what you don't realise is, that he and many others are not trying to censor religion, but remove the special it right it has i.e the immunity it has from criticism.
TurboDally 2 years ago
@invict2007
I don't make claims of things which cannot be proven until after you die. I don't seek grieving relatives (after having researched the dead relative) claiming I can talk to their dead loved one. Nor do I claim to have alphawave healing powers which will exorcise your demons. I don't do the "you'll burn in hell forever if you don't believe in god" thing either.
Yet you still liken me to those who do these things? Sorry I wasted your time.
TurboDally 2 years ago