Words of Wisdom -- Joseph Conrad

[MrProton1972]

I thought Joseph is Stalin, not Conrad. Funny!

Eureka, there are Josephs...

[purleses]

the jews love to overwrite reality with their onslaught of distorted reality. The phony bible figures were all manufactured to overwrite real historical Egyptians such as Amenemhet=Abraham, Tuthmosis=Moses and Imhotep=Joseph. The jews manufactured the "ten commandments" story to overwrite the Code of Hammurabi. The jews manufactured the bogus WW2 holocaust stories to overwrite the real genocides of the native american indians, the congolese, armenians, ukrainians, Poles and Germans.

[lovevintage92]

ooh i like dabarnstorma's add in. im reading this book in my ap lit class and i think its sooo ridiculously hard to understand but so far i do know that it has to do w/imperialism and how its wrong to colonize, and how conrad was against that and like how the ciilized become uncivilzed and the "uncivilized" turn out to be more civilized than the so called civilized imperialist soo that quote about the monstrous and free is perfect. im going to say that in discussion tomorrow thanks :)

[Altern8tion]

lol I read this book for my Sophmore English 2 class

[grandcollection]

That Apartheid torture of South Africans was unbelievable !

And white scum still controls South Africa, Johannesburg and rest of it, and many more places, towns, states ( indirectly ), in Africa !!

[hopkins4545]

The man can look on and still believe. Conrad let his experiences in the Congo destroy his soul. There are missionaries from the pits of hell on this earth who return with tremendous faith.

[TechnoDeathKorpz]

What a manly voice

[ConnoisseurDeLasArts]

I laughed at the fact of the ill use of grammar. None-the-less, Josef Conrad's Heart of Darkness is amazing!

[dabarnstorma]

Nice try. But you COMPLETELY messed this up. You've reduced this quote to meaningless because you only said part of it. Without the preceeding sentences (Conrad basically wrote in paragraphs) this has no context. Marlow is talking about seeing the slaves on shore as he approaches them. Try this: "We are accostomed to look upon the shackled form of a conquered monster, but there--there you could see a thing monsterous and free." and so on.... Try again, please.

[heavenundertheearth]

dabarnstorma,

i wasn't trying, i know the quote is out of context, aside from take a quote and communicating something that is interesting to me, and perhaps others. i'm sure you don't me to tell me that pieces of literature are supposed to be understood soley as the author intended, and that someone can't take a sentence on its own as from a poem and interpret it as they please. i don't think i damage the novel a bit for using this quote in this video.

[Shreddersebbes]

picking out certain quotes can be really tricky though especially with themes as complex as the ones Conrad touch upon here. If we take another author who has this feature, just taking some quotes by Nietzsche and disregarding in what context he's putting them could support Nazism, something he wouldn't have. ANd the same with this quote, with the man who knows cruelty and can endure it because of his acknowledgment of now universal truth whatsoever.

[heavenundertheearth]

oh, and Conrad basically wrote in NOVELS! haha

[dabarnstorma]

Thanks for being civil in your response. You have class--a rare thing in cyberspace. And sorry for being a jerk. Delete my comment if you want. I just wanted to provoke you...I don't really have any friends.

[fluorogoat]

;_;

[daveqr]

@dabarnstorma Adding the "context", as you put it, doesn't really change this quote's meaning.

[molesis]

@dabarnstorma I found it ironic that your fixation on the context of this passage overlooks the fact that Conrad's idea of timeless, non-cognitive truth is embedded in all of his writing, throughout his career. If anything, to myopically view this quotation in the single context of what Marlow sees in one scene in HoD is to render it more meaningless than otherwise. Try to read some more Conrad, please.

[juddketchen]

The words are some of my favourite in all of Lit. Too bad you spoil them with your delivery. The words are profound enough, just read them cold and people will understand. Your slow delivery detracts from the meaning...

[NerdyHobbyistGamer]

I thought Joseph Conrad was Russian

[heavenundertheearth]

No, Polish. His parents were part of a resistance against Russian power, if i'm not mistaken.

[MrBlindPenguin]

Correct. What is really fascinating is the fact he taught himself English at age sixteen and started writing at age thirty.

[Bebkins]

I know, it's actually amazing! One of the great Polish writers (albeit in English).

[lovevintage92]

@heavenundertheearth he wrote in Russian though

[burkburke]

@lovevintage92 no he didnt he wrote in english

[lovevintage92]

@burkburke are you serious? wow someone seriously has to rewrite the biography in the back of the edition of Heart of Darkness i have. its good that you clarified though for anyone who is wonderingg. but are you sure?bc someone might have translated his works into english?

[burkburke]

@lovevintage92 No problem! He was born in poland and learned english while traveling but only became fluent in his twenties, he wrote all of his novels in english.

[mariakolber]

@heavenundertheearth no. you're not wrong. He was Pol. Great Pole. His real name was Józef Konrad

[Suchy1410]

Great Polish writer.