@Ashiiitaka One may not find the full version by Richter on YouTube. It however carries Yuja Wang's equally superb performance in its totality. Type in "Yuja prokofiev sonata 6 finale," and you won't be disappointed.
@PowerofTrueInsight Hey, thanks for the reply - what a coincidence, I'm going to see Yuja play the 6th, as part as a fantastic program, in two days! Google: "Yuja Wang san francisco herbst"
Still, if this Richter is available on DVD somewhere, I'd like to find it. Will do some searching next week.
I haven't heard Hoffman before, uh.... rachmaninov perhaps is a better technician and his playing is desperately beautiful, but because of his more sensitive character, he is primarily a lyricist, whereas Richter does both lyricism and percussive drive.
I'm not saying Rach is worse, but Richter works more into interpretation whereas Rachmaninov's bigger arena is composition, for which we owe him soo miuch. :D
If you guys care, I have the whole sonata played by Richter under my videos. Though the fourth movement is just barely my favorite, the other three are well-worth looking at.
you guys should listen to some of prokofievs orchestra music. especially 2nd, 5th and 7th symphony, scythian suite, lt. kije, alexander nevsky, concerto for violin and orchestra and all piano concertos...
then you know, that richter played this piece absoluteley incredible in a way prokofiev would´ve done.
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To someone like marcelmombee..., I would advice to hear more of Richter. Who knows, with their variety of expression some of those performances may actually affect that single receptacle, which accounts for marcel's musical taste.
the composer is dead, the performer is alive. The composer must be glad that performers still play there works. And about rachmaninoff: not much of music making either, great pianist but little musician as performer.
because I do not find my piano playing professional, and slavalevin is also not professional (musically speaking, technique is ok and I do not mind wrong note's or problems with memory), richter is not professional because he does not (musically) understand most of the pieces he plays.
Marcel: Can you play the piano at one-thousandth of Richter's level of performance and expressiveness? I didn't think so... Yet you feel you have the right to categorically dismiss one of the greatest pianists in history. You must be a total retard, and a moron too.
No, he obviously can't. But that's not the problem, because most (even) professional musicians will reach Richter ' s level. The problem with Marcelmom...& avatars is moral, spiritual, if you like, it's "psychological". Richter ' s interpreting and technical genius is envied and disliked (commercially and even politically). Richter ' s also slurred (insulted) by those who can not be damned hard-working and blessed by gift as him.
@ Marcelmombeekeigen: What I'm curious about: which performer DO you prefer in Prokofievs pianosonata's, especially his war sonata's, because I cannot really think of someone I would rather hear perform these pieces but mr. Richter. Unless you do not care much for Prokofiev either way, of course.
It is rather difficult request, since you have asked for a "musician" performances, and there are different opinions on what "musical" means. I suspect that you mainly equate it with "sensual", and Richter is not a sensual performer. For him the total conception always comes first, even if he has to sacrifice some expression here and there. But such, IMO, are the majority of classical composers, especially Germans. I might suggest Chopin's Etude 25.7 or Prelude 28.4, but they are not on utub.
Congratulations, you have showed your total lack of musical taste. There's a saying in Russian: "Be quiet, and you might even seem smart". This applies to you. Unfortunately, you're simply too stupid to refrain from advertising your idiocy. Looks like your idea of the pinnacle of musicianship is Liberace. Go fuck yourself.
You do not have to compare my pianoplaying to richter's pianoplaying. If you compare every journalist who is writing a negative article, his pianoplaying with the pianoplaying of the performer, you had to be always cynical...
BrucknerEnthusiast: of course John Cage is a bonified fraud but has the right to spread his mental illness to those who have not been vaccinated by the music of Bach & Beethoven. Great music is math or architecture in auditory motion, the destination being the human heart. Anyway your response to Cage was a bit too bloody diplomatic. You are a gentleman!
BrucknerEnthusiast: thankyou for the title & your contribution to the work. I will definitely put it on my reading list. My interests range from music to writing and technical innovations. But my absolute addiction is music & the evolution of composition from Bach to Scriabin. Richter covers the entire range effortlessly & serves (unwittingly?) my preoccupation. Stay in touch.
RealRussiansOnly: yes, we must stay in touch. It's good for me to find someone who appreciates true artistic values: in the West the Germanic line in music is still viewed as the 'central tradition' and the continuity in the Russian tradition is not fully understood (BTW, my teacher was a Neuhaus pupil). I saw your anti-USA comments two weeks ago; watch the YouTube video called 'john cage speech radio5' and you'll see the kind of artistic crisis we have today. I left an appropriate comment.
BrucknerEnthusiast: Thanks, you are a distinguished intellectual & an honest broker; two qualities that are rare in a politically correct atmosphere. Untold millions in russia & elsewhere were murdered for the freedom of Verbal & even musical expression. Would you believe Rachmaninov was considered an enemy of the state because he was an aristocrate; perversion beyond comprehension!
RealRussiansOnly: thanks for your kind comment. The book which I edited ('The New Shostakovich') was mainly the work of Ian MacDonald, but when he died before revising his book I had to make about 2,000 corrections and updates. The book deals with the whole post-1905 environment (the Cheka formed within weeks of the 1917 Revolution!), the protest writers (Bulgakov, Ahkmatova, etc), the Jewish persecution, the Brezhnev era; every horror is exposed for the West to read.
brucknerenthusiast: I invite you to listen to Dmitri Hvorostovsky sing "spring waters" op.14 #11 by Rachmaninov on youtube. A great, unexcelled, gem that represents the russian school of music. Observe the quality of the pianist-duo of perfection.
RealRussiansOnly: I'll certainly listen to that video of Hvorostovsky as soon as I get access to another computer - but the sound on my computer is broken at present, so all the videos play silently. But I may not get access to another computer for a few days. The Rachmaninov songs are an essential part of this composer's output for pianists to get to know; I don't think pianists can truly understand Rachmaninov's piano works unless they know his other works (especially 'The Bells').
BrucknerEnthusiasts: the term "soviet piano repertoire" is dreadfully deceiving because it implies that somehow the bloody Marx/Lenin/Trotsky regime helped nurture these artists. No! the russians wrote great music despite the communist regime to prove that nothing could smother their creativity.
RealRussiansOnly: yes, you're right, I was being careless with my choice of words again. I edited a 400-page book on Shostakovich in 2004-06 (Vladimir Ashkenazy read it before publication and kindly wrote an introduction for it when it was printed in UK/USA last year) and much of the book deals with the terrible political interference in music. I agree, the Soviet state just wanted to destroy individual character and all the talk of 'socialist realism' is nonsense.
BrucknerEnthusiast: I heard Gilels live in Detroits' Ford Hall perform the E minor Chopin concerto. Staggering! Especially the left hand trills toward coda of first movement. I judge pianists in (real time) if possible & Gilels was a god with the E minor. Prefer Ormandy & Gilels. Richter liked Pletnev-technical wizard but too cool on recordings-must see live if I make it to Moscow.
BrucknerEnthusiast: You can indeed compair all three as you would compair three great wines. I have been fortunate to have done so and have become intoxicated with Gilels & Michelangeli- but stone drunk on Richter.
brucknerenthusiast:Gilels was indeed a great pianist, his E minor Chopin concerto is (opinion) unrivaled. It is easier to focus on detail with smaller repertoire (Horowitz) but juggling about 900 compositions (Richter) might make one less sensitive. Wish I had such problems!
Which Gilels version of the Chopin E minor do you refer to? He recorded it with Ormandy (Philadelphia) & Kondrashin (Moscow). Both are great recordings. The most interesting form of comparison can be between different performances of the same work by the same artist at different times in his life, to see what musical ideas remain constant, which ideas are developed ('evolved', Arrau would say), which ideas are newly introduced and which were rejected in later life. What do you think of Pletnev?
musicalsoulseacher: you know of what you speak! Richter, almost, single handedly introduced Schubert's piano music to the western world. I heard live recital: Beethoven's Eroica variations followed by Schubert's Wanderer, then Prokofiev's last sonata. Am stunned to this day. He could pound, sing, caress, hammer&fondle the piano at will. Made (all) others look like students.
It is interesting, when you see his recital-programs: they often contain Schubert and Prokofiev together, probably he felt that these composers were a good combination. Also, it is said that Prokofiev liked Schubert's music and made an arrangement for two piano's of some waltzes.
brucknerenthusiast: I respect those who speak on subjects based on research and comparison. You might find it strange that Richter does not mention Arrau in his book but does refer to Michelangeli. Heard both live many times: feel that richter overshadows them tremendously. My opinion on personal, objective, educated, comparison.Richter was subtle(Schubert)when necessary. Basicly he could shift into any gear at any time-I've seen & headrd it.
RealRussiansOnly: sorry, my comment about Gilels being more subtle than Richter was too generalised. Yes, Richter in Schubert is a revelation. By the way, that Philips CD of Schubert's G major Sonata D894 (one of Richter's greatest recordings) is described by Philips as being recorded in Germany in 1979 but it is definitely a 1989 recording from London's Festival Hall. I recorded it off the radio and the Philips performance is identical - even the coughing.
But perhaps it makes no sense to try to compare Richter and Gilels, as they had such different musical characteristics. Richter's 'objective' approach to the score, coupled with his extreme intensity, made him unique. When Richter appears unconventional (or even eccentric) there is usually evidence in the score to prove that Richter is justified in his artistic decisions. The same is not true of Michelangeli, although I admire his playing. But of the three, I only saw Gilels 'live' in concert.
Your degenerate mentality is evident for all to see. Your mother and father unknowingly gave birth to a form of life that does not fit into any catagory on the scale of evolution, but a turd does not fall far from the arse- hole that created it!
information to lightup your attic: book- sviatoslav richter, notebooks & conversations by bruno monsaingeon. All of you people talk too much about a subject you know nothing about. Americans: talk shit, eat shit, think shit, then believe shit.
Yes, it's an interesting book by Bruno Monsaingeon which gives lots of insights about Richter. I bought it as soon as it was issued in an English version.
I'm amazed that a 34-second video has caused such a storm of anger over Richter. I admire Richter, but it's regrettable that his idiosyncratic 'objective' playing creates such an impact that nowadays Richter's reputation seems to have overshadowed Gilels, who was a more subtle artist than Richter. Half the critics who praise Richter are too stupid to understand his artistic aims anyway. And I lament the current lack of critical appreciation of giants such as Arrau and Michelangeli.
many of the comments are of an obscene nature and reflect degenerate personalities that forget that they represent their parents, countries & nationalities: for the most part the USA. They defecate on great music & artists that devoted lives to reach perfection. Shamefull&disgracefull-but all too common.
Please forgive me if put in a voice of dissent amid all this praise for Richter, mainly for anyone out there who feels alone in their opinion like me: this is not what music is about for me, it's meaninglessly aggressive, harsh and lacking in warmth, love and intelligence. No wonder I ended thinking I hated music...
I've certainly Richter's playing referred to as being "cold." I don't think this movement is a great example, as it's probably the least emotional of the whole sonata (and I'm referring to the actual writing.) Prokofiev was a strange guy, at any rate... I'd hesitate to call his music particularly emotional.
Anyway, I could certainly see how you'd feel this way about some of his other recordings.
You can judge someone by their friends and with friends like uhrkraft Richter clearly doesn't need enemies! By the way, beethoven4ever, thanks for your comment, but you ought to re-read my comment to get what I was on about. For what its worth I agree with nbasila - and it's true, it's hard to judge Richter when he's playing such dreadful music (I wonder how many people I've offended now!!) :)
Hatemusic: I don't know whether you have heard the entire sonata, but if you haven't, please don't judge it on just this 34-second extract. Hear the whole thing several times, and you might get to like it. You might also be surprised at the lyricism of the third movement. Prokofiev's 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th sonatas are the most rewarding works of the 1940s Soviet piano repertoire, along with Shostakovich's 2nd sonata. But they are not necessarily accessible at a first hearing.
Thank you for your response, BrucknerEnthusiast. I will definitely listen carefully to the music you suggest. I would hate to think I am just prejudice about Prokofiev. If you end up converting me then you will have done Prokofiev a great service!
What a genius this man was. His presence is just so HUGE, it overwhelms you completely and you just kinda sit there, dumbfounded by the scope and magnitude of this greatest of pianists.
Richter. When he plays, the music just takes hold of you, strangling you, not letting you go free...how does he do it? Even in the so called "boring" slow Schubert sonatas, you just have to hear it through to the end. This hypnotic power, it is the essence of Richter. His technique is awesome too, of course.
look, all i'm saying is just don't cross the line and start masturbating to Richter... i mean he was pretty much the best but if you act like you're his wife or something you'll start losing your place in normality, you know? that is all i'm saying.
Richter would be my favorite pianist if Byron Janis' amazing (but tragically impaired career) didn't make choosing the number 1 spot so damn difficult. But this prokofiev is effing mind-blowing. Also, no one's a retard for not loving or hating Richter. The only retards are the ones who aren't ok with other people loving or hating Richter, or any artist for that matter.
You didn't seem to understand my comment, that was addressed to Imnop2006. I am also a big Richter-fan! Read comments carefully before you insult people.
My goodness! That Richter-hater still has no clue about the real greatness of his (Richter's) achievements or what artistic piano playing means. How very sad (that such people exist).
My goodness! The Richter freaks turned out in droves to defend their idol! Listen, you guys are already a few steps below Star Trek fanatics, both in social aptitude and in hero worshiping skills. Learn to see past just hitting the right notes - Grow up, and take some formal piano lessons from a real teacher - learn what piano playing is before you throw your adolescent tantrums.
Guys !! don't bother imnop2006 with your comments .. I bet he is working his ass out "De-Richterizing" his piano playing to impress us with his coming video post .. I guess it's already late to call the event December Nights :)
If Imnop2006 doesn't recognize one of the most profound musicians/pianists of the 20th century, there must be wax in his ears, or he is mentally deranged, or both...I heard Richter live twice (one all-Bach, one all-Scriabin recital) and I can assure you that his artistry was limitless (as indeed confirmed by Prokofiev, Shostakovitch, Britten, Neuhaus etc.)
"Richter is a small musical mind, with an ugly sound, and he almost always warps the natural beauty of the music with his hard-driven misguided interpretations."
Imnop = I don't recognize great musicians nor great pianists
If u don't like Richter, then you're a stupid moron. I've listened to Richter many times , that it'll scare you. Just wait till u hear him play Procovief sonata 7.
The fact that I can't post a negative response to this mediocre video without getting continually insulted and berated by the "piano experts" tells me that you are all a bunch of frustrated narrow minded nerds who know zero about music or life
I feel sorry for your wives and girlfriends (if they actually exist)
Walk into into a room of civil rights activists and yell out NIGGER!! I bet they would tear your balls off. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but don't impose them on thers with out proper support of your statements. Are you a "Piano expert" ? Your vocabulary usage shows us your intelligence and experiance...haha. You can't simply dismiss our views as being "narrow minded." Still waiting for your video by the way.
You're fucking stupid; It was an analogy. Just because I said " nigger" does not make me a "racist." Prejudice would have had better context in your statement, but only idiots can describe with such simple sentence structures...
Some other "frustrated narrow minded nerds who know zero about music or life"
Neuhaus listened to his playing and said, "Here is the pupil for whom I have waited all my life. In my opinion, he is a genius."
Shostakovich later wrote: "Richter is an extraordinary phenomenon. The enormity of his talent staggers and enraptures. All the phenomena of musical art are accessible to him."
I don't hear it because it's not there. It's not childish rebellion because I happen to agree with the "listening public" about many other pianists - Horowitz, Rubinstein, Fiorentino, Michelangeli, Gilels, Cortot, etc. You see, I'm saying that you and many other weak minded followers like yourself are totally wrong about Richter. His is a small musical mind, with an ugly sound, and he almost always warps the natural beauty of the music with his hard-driven misguided interpretations.
I can't think of a single pianist whom I would dismiss out of hand as you have. Richter was one of the eccentrics, like Gould or Kissin or Francois, all of whom have left us incredible stuff. Your comments may apply to some recordings - maybe even this one - (btw have you heard Prokofiev play?) but not to all. I repeat. Debussy Preludes, Tokyo Recital. I cannot comment anymore because I regard this a incontravertable proof.
I meant no disrespect to Soviet institutions of music, but to their way of governing. Their ideals were well intended and they were striving foward in all fields untill we broke their economy. I am learning from an accomplished Soviet Instructer by the way. I'm looking foward to your post of this piece to prove Charles, Vladislov and I wrong... Or maybe your camera does not work?
And don't insult the Soviets - remember that great artists like Emil Gilels, Grigory Ginsburg, Lazar Berman, Alexander Goldenweiser and others were also products of the Soviet culture. For me, Richter's sound is far from ideal. I always find him insensitive, brutal and shallow, but it seems that no one can ever say anything less-than-wonderful about him without some Richter-freak getting all bent out of shape over it.
You have problems with his musical personality. It is beyond argument that he has produced some of the most beautiful piano sound ever recorded - both in regard to voicing and tone quality. Debussy Preludes, coda to Brahms Sonata in F#m, Chopin Nocturnes. Can you really not hear it? Or is this just childish rebellion against the rest of the listening public. None of our great pianists are worthy of such comments.
I couldn't agree with you more. You can add Tchaikowsky solo-pieces, Ravel and many more. This person is obviously not familiar with Prokofiev's piano-style. Richter was, though...
The Soviets were great like I said, but did not release what they thought was unworthy (opinions of a few not the whole) and these are some of the greatest of Richter's recordings...
Actually I find it quite easy to mimic Richter, I just brutally rush through passages with no concern for tone color or grace, landing exactly squarely on all chords, with no sense of voicing, so that I sound like a midi-file, go almost completely dry on the pedal, and flatten out the dynamic range of the melodic line so that I sound even more like a midi-file - oh, and try to hit all the right notes - does that sound familiar? Was that the "ideal Soviet sound"?
I assure you uhrkraft, I know something about the piano. Richter is terribly overrated in my opinion.
But you are in hero-worship mode, as most teenagers are, and you can't tolerate anyone saying something negative about your hero, this is understandable.
Perhaps when you are a little older, and you begin to expect more from a pianist besides the very limited artistry of Richter, you will understand.
Wisdom does not come with age, but with only experience. To assume I cannot understand anything more abstract than speed and flare is trite. I would love to see you mimic Richter, it would have to be easy due to his " limited artistry." Many of his recordings were catered to the Soviet Union's Ideal sound, and despite this they're still incredible. There has been a large release of unedited material that is out of this world.
If you don't like Richter fine, give criticism that can benefit others who idolize Richter. To say his playing is brutal and colorless is pessimistic and undeserving...
evry time i hear this verry piece of music: i wished i was never born!
apfelbrot2 1 year ago
Anyone know the date of this performance?
schnittke79 1 year ago
Anyone know where the full version of this video can be found? Some DVD?
Thanks!
Ashiiitaka 1 year ago
@Ashiiitaka One may not find the full version by Richter on YouTube. It however carries Yuja Wang's equally superb performance in its totality. Type in "Yuja prokofiev sonata 6 finale," and you won't be disappointed.
PowerofTrueInsight 1 year ago
@PowerofTrueInsight Hey, thanks for the reply - what a coincidence, I'm going to see Yuja play the 6th, as part as a fantastic program, in two days! Google: "Yuja Wang san francisco herbst"
Still, if this Richter is available on DVD somewhere, I'd like to find it. Will do some searching next week.
Ashiiitaka 1 year ago
@Ashiiitaka You are very welcome. Hope you'll enjoy her solo recital at Herbst tonight.
PowerofTrueInsight 1 year ago
It hurts my fingers just to watch this... :S
cafity 1 year ago
Superman!
pcho007 2 years ago
СПАСИБО.
tzeleustremlennost 2 years ago
did you eat last 3 notes? :)
goldenagepianist 2 years ago
LOVE this sonata - LOVE this movement - LOVE Richter's performance!
It has such propulsive inevitability, doesn't it? It just seems to have a life of its own. My favorite of the 9 Sonatas.
garyokee 2 years ago
lal the beginning part reminds me of dexter and dedd yXD
thegoddescomposer 2 years ago
how is this piece called?
interceptor6 2 years ago
It's his 6th sonata, the 4th movement
LeX140891 2 years ago
awesome!
MvdM2 2 years ago
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Is Argerich better?
Liebromeistal 2 years ago
Argerich doesn't match this rhythmic drive and technical perfection, there's no comparison between the two.
Richter is the greatest pianist that ever lived.
SebastienLoong 2 years ago
How about Rachmaninoff, Josef Hoffman?
Liebromeistal 2 years ago
I haven't heard Hoffman before, uh.... rachmaninov perhaps is a better technician and his playing is desperately beautiful, but because of his more sensitive character, he is primarily a lyricist, whereas Richter does both lyricism and percussive drive.
I'm not saying Rach is worse, but Richter works more into interpretation whereas Rachmaninov's bigger arena is composition, for which we owe him soo miuch. :D
SebastienLoong 2 years ago 2
Richter phantom demon of the piano xD
edtskyline 2 years ago
Sometimes Richter scares the shit out of me.
Buldaner 3 years ago 32
Richter means business.
Shumeshi 3 years ago 4
Richter is the coolest! He has an unsurpassed aura of coolness.
codeman2008 2 years ago 3
@Buldaner
hahaha that is a good one
gybemm 1 year ago
If you guys care, I have the whole sonata played by Richter under my videos. Though the fourth movement is just barely my favorite, the other three are well-worth looking at.
airad2 3 years ago 3
i would love to see the whole video
jukeh 2 years ago 2
Mind blowing! Richter was the best!
IloveAlexisBledel689 3 years ago 2
dang, this guy is hardcore, I'm surprised his fingers didn't stab through the wood
OorvakanSar 3 years ago 12
@OorvakanSar we in germany like to call it: VIBE!
apfelbrot2 1 year ago
Richter and Pogorelich - that's as far as it goes .
Androgenicus 3 years ago
i agree, drasik.
you guys should listen to some of prokofievs orchestra music. especially 2nd, 5th and 7th symphony, scythian suite, lt. kije, alexander nevsky, concerto for violin and orchestra and all piano concertos...
then you know, that richter played this piece absoluteley incredible in a way prokofiev would´ve done.
iLLumination1 3 years ago
I completely agree. Others have done great performances, but his is the best and there is no question!
Cornour 3 years ago
I love this fragment. He makes such a nice sarcastic, biting tone for this. I'm playing this piece.
mathpianist93 4 years ago
marry me , richter
sofi1506 4 years ago
he is some dead...otherwise he was going to marry you...
B337h0v3n 4 years ago 2
I just read this, hahaha,!! Thanks for the smile
sofi1506 3 years ago
Iron sharpeneth iron
parousia555 4 years ago 2
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TheBigBullshitDebate 4 years ago
Read the crap written by music critics in the London newspapers and you'll find out how much bullshit there is around. Lots.
GetScrewedTonight 4 years ago
To someone like marcelmombee..., I would advice to hear more of Richter. Who knows, with their variety of expression some of those performances may actually affect that single receptacle, which accounts for marcel's musical taste.
mltube 4 years ago
ok, give me some advice, give me links to recordings of richter where he plays as a musician, maybe you can convince me...
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
the composer is dead, the performer is alive. The composer must be glad that performers still play there works. And about rachmaninoff: not much of music making either, great pianist but little musician as performer.
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
if I see in your youtube your favorites, I understand your taste...
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
well, now we have 3 good amateurs on the net: marcelmombeekeigen, slavalevin, and richter
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
because I do not find my piano playing professional, and slavalevin is also not professional (musically speaking, technique is ok and I do not mind wrong note's or problems with memory), richter is not professional because he does not (musically) understand most of the pieces he plays.
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
How would you know if Richter doesn't musically understand most of the pieces he plays? Did he tell you? Or did you just assume? (-_-)
sppe769 4 years ago 3
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simple: you can hear it
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
Marcel: Can you play the piano at one-thousandth of Richter's level of performance and expressiveness? I didn't think so... Yet you feel you have the right to categorically dismiss one of the greatest pianists in history. You must be a total retard, and a moron too.
memorioso 3 years ago
No, he obviously can't. But that's not the problem, because most (even) professional musicians will reach Richter ' s level. The problem with Marcelmom...& avatars is moral, spiritual, if you like, it's "psychological". Richter ' s interpreting and technical genius is envied and disliked (commercially and even politically). Richter ' s also slurred (insulted) by those who can not be damned hard-working and blessed by gift as him.
francorussie 3 years ago
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Thats just stupid.
JSbeat 2 years ago
Richter is about the only pianist who really understood Prokofiev. I'd go so far as to say he defined the perfect Prokofiev style.
You're just making yourself look stupid.
DrAsik100 4 years ago 2
in my opinion, richter is one of the best classic pianists of all time. i just love his style
tobotron 3 years ago
@vica112 It was actually the 7th sonata that he learned in 4 days.
schnittke79 1 year ago
@ Marcelmombeekeigen: What I'm curious about: which performer DO you prefer in Prokofievs pianosonata's, especially his war sonata's, because I cannot really think of someone I would rather hear perform these pieces but mr. Richter. Unless you do not care much for Prokofiev either way, of course.
suzettegm 4 years ago 3
It is rather difficult request, since you have asked for a "musician" performances, and there are different opinions on what "musical" means. I suspect that you mainly equate it with "sensual", and Richter is not a sensual performer. For him the total conception always comes first, even if he has to sacrifice some expression here and there. But such, IMO, are the majority of classical composers, especially Germans. I might suggest Chopin's Etude 25.7 or Prelude 28.4, but they are not on utub.
mltube 4 years ago
Congratulations, you have showed your total lack of musical taste. There's a saying in Russian: "Be quiet, and you might even seem smart". This applies to you. Unfortunately, you're simply too stupid to refrain from advertising your idiocy. Looks like your idea of the pinnacle of musicianship is Liberace. Go fuck yourself.
MarshalGZhukov 4 years ago 2
richter at his best: passages where there is no need to make music, only butchering the piano!!!
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
You do not have to compare my pianoplaying to richter's pianoplaying. If you compare every journalist who is writing a negative article, his pianoplaying with the pianoplaying of the performer, you had to be always cynical...
marcelmombeekeigen 4 years ago
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vica112 4 years ago
VERY risky playing.
THIS is the true form of the art.
ibclappin 4 years ago 5
dans les accords mageurs,ne pas accentuer la dominante au revoir
supertartgrrl 4 years ago
To me this is Richter at his best. This brutal and energetic frantic music really shows him off to his best.
pianoboyo 4 years ago 3
Breathtaking!
Fruupp5122 4 years ago
BrucknerEnthusiast: of course John Cage is a bonified fraud but has the right to spread his mental illness to those who have not been vaccinated by the music of Bach & Beethoven. Great music is math or architecture in auditory motion, the destination being the human heart. Anyway your response to Cage was a bit too bloody diplomatic. You are a gentleman!
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
BrucknerEnthusiast: thankyou for the title & your contribution to the work. I will definitely put it on my reading list. My interests range from music to writing and technical innovations. But my absolute addiction is music & the evolution of composition from Bach to Scriabin. Richter covers the entire range effortlessly & serves (unwittingly?) my preoccupation. Stay in touch.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
RealRussiansOnly: yes, we must stay in touch. It's good for me to find someone who appreciates true artistic values: in the West the Germanic line in music is still viewed as the 'central tradition' and the continuity in the Russian tradition is not fully understood (BTW, my teacher was a Neuhaus pupil). I saw your anti-USA comments two weeks ago; watch the YouTube video called 'john cage speech radio5' and you'll see the kind of artistic crisis we have today. I left an appropriate comment.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
BrucknerEnthusiast: Thanks, you are a distinguished intellectual & an honest broker; two qualities that are rare in a politically correct atmosphere. Untold millions in russia & elsewhere were murdered for the freedom of Verbal & even musical expression. Would you believe Rachmaninov was considered an enemy of the state because he was an aristocrate; perversion beyond comprehension!
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
RealRussiansOnly: thanks for your kind comment. The book which I edited ('The New Shostakovich') was mainly the work of Ian MacDonald, but when he died before revising his book I had to make about 2,000 corrections and updates. The book deals with the whole post-1905 environment (the Cheka formed within weeks of the 1917 Revolution!), the protest writers (Bulgakov, Ahkmatova, etc), the Jewish persecution, the Brezhnev era; every horror is exposed for the West to read.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
vital, authentic, haunting, unsurpassed ect.ect.Yes, if only there was more...
suzettegm 4 years ago
why didn't you just tape the whole 6th sonata
likemeg010 4 years ago
Richter rocks!
likemeg010 4 years ago
brucknerenthusiast: I invite you to listen to Dmitri Hvorostovsky sing "spring waters" op.14 #11 by Rachmaninov on youtube. A great, unexcelled, gem that represents the russian school of music. Observe the quality of the pianist-duo of perfection.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
RealRussiansOnly: I'll certainly listen to that video of Hvorostovsky as soon as I get access to another computer - but the sound on my computer is broken at present, so all the videos play silently. But I may not get access to another computer for a few days. The Rachmaninov songs are an essential part of this composer's output for pianists to get to know; I don't think pianists can truly understand Rachmaninov's piano works unless they know his other works (especially 'The Bells').
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
BrucknerEnthusiasts: the term "soviet piano repertoire" is dreadfully deceiving because it implies that somehow the bloody Marx/Lenin/Trotsky regime helped nurture these artists. No! the russians wrote great music despite the communist regime to prove that nothing could smother their creativity.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
RealRussiansOnly: yes, you're right, I was being careless with my choice of words again. I edited a 400-page book on Shostakovich in 2004-06 (Vladimir Ashkenazy read it before publication and kindly wrote an introduction for it when it was printed in UK/USA last year) and much of the book deals with the terrible political interference in music. I agree, the Soviet state just wanted to destroy individual character and all the talk of 'socialist realism' is nonsense.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
BrucknerEnthusiast: I heard Gilels live in Detroits' Ford Hall perform the E minor Chopin concerto. Staggering! Especially the left hand trills toward coda of first movement. I judge pianists in (real time) if possible & Gilels was a god with the E minor. Prefer Ormandy & Gilels. Richter liked Pletnev-technical wizard but too cool on recordings-must see live if I make it to Moscow.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
BrucknerEnthusiast: You can indeed compair all three as you would compair three great wines. I have been fortunate to have done so and have become intoxicated with Gilels & Michelangeli- but stone drunk on Richter.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
brucknerenthusiast:Gilels was indeed a great pianist, his E minor Chopin concerto is (opinion) unrivaled. It is easier to focus on detail with smaller repertoire (Horowitz) but juggling about 900 compositions (Richter) might make one less sensitive. Wish I had such problems!
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
Which Gilels version of the Chopin E minor do you refer to? He recorded it with Ormandy (Philadelphia) & Kondrashin (Moscow). Both are great recordings. The most interesting form of comparison can be between different performances of the same work by the same artist at different times in his life, to see what musical ideas remain constant, which ideas are developed ('evolved', Arrau would say), which ideas are newly introduced and which were rejected in later life. What do you think of Pletnev?
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
musicalsoulseacher: you know of what you speak! Richter, almost, single handedly introduced Schubert's piano music to the western world. I heard live recital: Beethoven's Eroica variations followed by Schubert's Wanderer, then Prokofiev's last sonata. Am stunned to this day. He could pound, sing, caress, hammer&fondle the piano at will. Made (all) others look like students.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
RRO: you were very lucky!
It is interesting, when you see his recital-programs: they often contain Schubert and Prokofiev together, probably he felt that these composers were a good combination. Also, it is said that Prokofiev liked Schubert's music and made an arrangement for two piano's of some waltzes.
MusicalSoulSearcher 4 years ago
brucknerenthusiast: I respect those who speak on subjects based on research and comparison. You might find it strange that Richter does not mention Arrau in his book but does refer to Michelangeli. Heard both live many times: feel that richter overshadows them tremendously. My opinion on personal, objective, educated, comparison.Richter was subtle(Schubert)when necessary. Basicly he could shift into any gear at any time-I've seen & headrd it.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
Agreed. He was also one of the greatest interpreters of Schubert (with and without Fischer-Dieskau).
MusicalSoulSearcher 4 years ago
RealRussiansOnly: sorry, my comment about Gilels being more subtle than Richter was too generalised. Yes, Richter in Schubert is a revelation. By the way, that Philips CD of Schubert's G major Sonata D894 (one of Richter's greatest recordings) is described by Philips as being recorded in Germany in 1979 but it is definitely a 1989 recording from London's Festival Hall. I recorded it off the radio and the Philips performance is identical - even the coughing.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
But perhaps it makes no sense to try to compare Richter and Gilels, as they had such different musical characteristics. Richter's 'objective' approach to the score, coupled with his extreme intensity, made him unique. When Richter appears unconventional (or even eccentric) there is usually evidence in the score to prove that Richter is justified in his artistic decisions. The same is not true of Michelangeli, although I admire his playing. But of the three, I only saw Gilels 'live' in concert.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
Your degenerate mentality is evident for all to see. Your mother and father unknowingly gave birth to a form of life that does not fit into any catagory on the scale of evolution, but a turd does not fall far from the arse- hole that created it!
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
Who the fuck are u talking to?
uhrkraft 4 years ago
information to lightup your attic: book- sviatoslav richter, notebooks & conversations by bruno monsaingeon. All of you people talk too much about a subject you know nothing about. Americans: talk shit, eat shit, think shit, then believe shit.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
Wow for some one of your stature you lack a proper vocabulary. Every country has its fair share of stupid fucks.
uhrkraft 4 years ago
Yes, it's an interesting book by Bruno Monsaingeon which gives lots of insights about Richter. I bought it as soon as it was issued in an English version.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
I'm amazed that a 34-second video has caused such a storm of anger over Richter. I admire Richter, but it's regrettable that his idiosyncratic 'objective' playing creates such an impact that nowadays Richter's reputation seems to have overshadowed Gilels, who was a more subtle artist than Richter. Half the critics who praise Richter are too stupid to understand his artistic aims anyway. And I lament the current lack of critical appreciation of giants such as Arrau and Michelangeli.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
many of the comments are of an obscene nature and reflect degenerate personalities that forget that they represent their parents, countries & nationalities: for the most part the USA. They defecate on great music & artists that devoted lives to reach perfection. Shamefull&disgracefull-but all too common.
RealRussiansOnly 4 years ago
Please forgive me if put in a voice of dissent amid all this praise for Richter, mainly for anyone out there who feels alone in their opinion like me: this is not what music is about for me, it's meaninglessly aggressive, harsh and lacking in warmth, love and intelligence. No wonder I ended thinking I hated music...
Hatemusic 4 years ago
I've certainly Richter's playing referred to as being "cold." I don't think this movement is a great example, as it's probably the least emotional of the whole sonata (and I'm referring to the actual writing.) Prokofiev was a strange guy, at any rate... I'd hesitate to call his music particularly emotional.
Anyway, I could certainly see how you'd feel this way about some of his other recordings.
nbasila 4 years ago
Well, if you "hate music" it makes perfect sense that you're unable to appreciate Richter's genius
beethoven4ever 4 years ago
You can judge someone by their friends and with friends like uhrkraft Richter clearly doesn't need enemies! By the way, beethoven4ever, thanks for your comment, but you ought to re-read my comment to get what I was on about. For what its worth I agree with nbasila - and it's true, it's hard to judge Richter when he's playing such dreadful music (I wonder how many people I've offended now!!) :)
Hatemusic 4 years ago
Hatemusic: I don't know whether you have heard the entire sonata, but if you haven't, please don't judge it on just this 34-second extract. Hear the whole thing several times, and you might get to like it. You might also be surprised at the lyricism of the third movement. Prokofiev's 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th sonatas are the most rewarding works of the 1940s Soviet piano repertoire, along with Shostakovich's 2nd sonata. But they are not necessarily accessible at a first hearing.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
Thank you for your response, BrucknerEnthusiast. I will definitely listen carefully to the music you suggest. I would hate to think I am just prejudice about Prokofiev. If you end up converting me then you will have done Prokofiev a great service!
Hatemusic 4 years ago
What a genius this man was. His presence is just so HUGE, it overwhelms you completely and you just kinda sit there, dumbfounded by the scope and magnitude of this greatest of pianists.
GreatPianists 4 years ago 3
Richter. When he plays, the music just takes hold of you, strangling you, not letting you go free...how does he do it? Even in the so called "boring" slow Schubert sonatas, you just have to hear it through to the end. This hypnotic power, it is the essence of Richter. His technique is awesome too, of course.
morevodka 4 years ago
look, all i'm saying is just don't cross the line and start masturbating to Richter... i mean he was pretty much the best but if you act like you're his wife or something you'll start losing your place in normality, you know? that is all i'm saying.
ibclappin 4 years ago
Richter would be my favorite pianist if Byron Janis' amazing (but tragically impaired career) didn't make choosing the number 1 spot so damn difficult. But this prokofiev is effing mind-blowing. Also, no one's a retard for not loving or hating Richter. The only retards are the ones who aren't ok with other people loving or hating Richter, or any artist for that matter.
crowdmaker 4 years ago
it's one thing to be a Richter-fan, and another to get off on Richter...
ibclappin 4 years ago
to Paino wrestler, f-u, dumbass
likemeg010 4 years ago
You didn't seem to understand my comment, that was addressed to Imnop2006. I am also a big Richter-fan! Read comments carefully before you insult people.
Pianowrestler 4 years ago
sorry,dude.I know it was,but i'm a Richter-fan too and thinks,personally, whoever thinks richter sucks is a turd
likemeg010 4 years ago
no one will ever be able to play Prokofiev like Richter. where's the complete video?!
ibclappin 4 years ago
I haven't visited this page in a while...but...
My goodness! That Richter-hater still has no clue about the real greatness of his (Richter's) achievements or what artistic piano playing means. How very sad (that such people exist).
Pianowrestler 5 years ago
Go away!!!!!!!
uhrkraft 4 years ago
I haven't visited this page in a while...but...
My goodness! The Richter freaks turned out in droves to defend their idol! Listen, you guys are already a few steps below Star Trek fanatics, both in social aptitude and in hero worshiping skills. Learn to see past just hitting the right notes - Grow up, and take some formal piano lessons from a real teacher - learn what piano playing is before you throw your adolescent tantrums.
lmnop2006 5 years ago
Guys !! don't bother imnop2006 with your comments .. I bet he is working his ass out "De-Richterizing" his piano playing to impress us with his coming video post .. I guess it's already late to call the event December Nights :)
pianist007 5 years ago
you morons stop saying bullshit and listen to music.
Wasting time and energy to make philosophy on internet... ridiculously stupid
passerabianca 4 years ago
We will when you can form coherent sentence structures..
uhrkraft 4 years ago
To Imnop2006:
And what about you? Do you have a wife or a girlfriend or anything?
Then if you have, you should try out something different...
It seems that you are VERY unsuttisfied with your own life.
So you project your miserable world within you, to the others
hansmeyer111 5 years ago
To Imnop2006:
And what about you? Do you have a wife or a girlfriend or anything?
Then if you have, you should try out something different...
It seems that you are VERY unsuttisfied with your own life.
So you project your miserable world within you, to the others
hansmeyer111 5 years ago
If Imnop2006 doesn't recognize one of the most profound musicians/pianists of the 20th century, there must be wax in his ears, or he is mentally deranged, or both...I heard Richter live twice (one all-Bach, one all-Scriabin recital) and I can assure you that his artistry was limitless (as indeed confirmed by Prokofiev, Shostakovitch, Britten, Neuhaus etc.)
Imnop2006 deserves to be insulted...
Pianowrestler 5 years ago
"Richter is a small musical mind, with an ugly sound, and he almost always warps the natural beauty of the music with his hard-driven misguided interpretations."
Imnop = I don't recognize great musicians nor great pianists
(Richter was both, we don't have to prove that).
Pianowrestler 5 years ago
You're the worst critic on youtube...
uhrkraft 5 years ago
Why? Explain yourself, please...
(I was just quoting Imnop2006)
Pianowrestler 5 years ago
"...was both" ? // Both of the virtues you didn't include, or both of what Imop claimed? Sorry for the misunderstanding..
uhrkraft 5 years ago
...I was just making a little letter-joke, that the letters "IMNOP" stand for:
I don't recognize great
Musicians
NOre great
Pianists
... but YouTube didn't post the lay-out right!
To say that Richter had a small musical mind and a very limited artistry is outrageous, to put it mildly.
Pianowrestler 5 years ago
I hate when youtube screws up....I understand know, very nice.
uhrkraft 5 years ago
If u don't like Richter, then you're a stupid moron. I've listened to Richter many times , that it'll scare you. Just wait till u hear him play Procovief sonata 7.
likemeg010 4 years ago
I love Richter and I hate people like you.
uhrkraft 4 years ago
The fact that I can't post a negative response to this mediocre video without getting continually insulted and berated by the "piano experts" tells me that you are all a bunch of frustrated narrow minded nerds who know zero about music or life
I feel sorry for your wives and girlfriends (if they actually exist)
Later.
lmnop2006 5 years ago
Walk into into a room of civil rights activists and yell out NIGGER!! I bet they would tear your balls off. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but don't impose them on thers with out proper support of your statements. Are you a "Piano expert" ? Your vocabulary usage shows us your intelligence and experiance...haha. You can't simply dismiss our views as being "narrow minded." Still waiting for your video by the way.
uhrkraft 5 years ago
ur a racist
likemeg010 4 years ago
You're fucking stupid; It was an analogy. Just because I said " nigger" does not make me a "racist." Prejudice would have had better context in your statement, but only idiots can describe with such simple sentence structures...
uhrkraft 4 years ago
calm down,freak.
likemeg010 4 years ago
I'm gonna creampie your mother asshole!!!!!!!
uhrkraft 4 years ago
Some other "frustrated narrow minded nerds who know zero about music or life"
Neuhaus listened to his playing and said, "Here is the pupil for whom I have waited all my life. In my opinion, he is a genius."
Shostakovich later wrote: "Richter is an extraordinary phenomenon. The enormity of his talent staggers and enraptures. All the phenomena of musical art are accessible to him."
charlescourt 5 years ago
Gilels: "Wait until you hear Richter!"
Rosina Lhevinne: "Richter is an inspired poet of music ... an exceptional phenomenon of the twentieth century."
Gavrilov: "Richter is not simply a great School but a kind of 'biofield' in which one feels absolutely different."
Glenn Gould: " one of the most powerful musical communicators of our time."
He partnered Benjamin Britten, David Oistrakh and Natalia Gutman. Prokofiev dedicated the 9th Sonata to him. You're seriously unhinged dude.
charlescourt 5 years ago
Very nice!!!!
uhrkraft 5 years ago
now you are insulting Martians
lmnop2006 5 years ago
Such humility is very reassuring :-)
mltube 5 years ago
Ha ha nicely done.
charlescourt 5 years ago
I don't hear it because it's not there. It's not childish rebellion because I happen to agree with the "listening public" about many other pianists - Horowitz, Rubinstein, Fiorentino, Michelangeli, Gilels, Cortot, etc. You see, I'm saying that you and many other weak minded followers like yourself are totally wrong about Richter. His is a small musical mind, with an ugly sound, and he almost always warps the natural beauty of the music with his hard-driven misguided interpretations.
lmnop2006 5 years ago
I can't think of a single pianist whom I would dismiss out of hand as you have. Richter was one of the eccentrics, like Gould or Kissin or Francois, all of whom have left us incredible stuff. Your comments may apply to some recordings - maybe even this one - (btw have you heard Prokofiev play?) but not to all. I repeat. Debussy Preludes, Tokyo Recital. I cannot comment anymore because I regard this a incontravertable proof.
charlescourt 5 years ago
And I apologise about the spelling mistake.
charlescourt 5 years ago
I meant no disrespect to Soviet institutions of music, but to their way of governing. Their ideals were well intended and they were striving foward in all fields untill we broke their economy. I am learning from an accomplished Soviet Instructer by the way. I'm looking foward to your post of this piece to prove Charles, Vladislov and I wrong... Or maybe your camera does not work?
uhrkraft 5 years ago
Imnop, your comment could have been written by a Martian.
mltube 5 years ago
No reply?
uhrkraft 5 years ago
And don't insult the Soviets - remember that great artists like Emil Gilels, Grigory Ginsburg, Lazar Berman, Alexander Goldenweiser and others were also products of the Soviet culture. For me, Richter's sound is far from ideal. I always find him insensitive, brutal and shallow, but it seems that no one can ever say anything less-than-wonderful about him without some Richter-freak getting all bent out of shape over it.
lmnop2006 5 years ago
You have problems with his musical personality. It is beyond argument that he has produced some of the most beautiful piano sound ever recorded - both in regard to voicing and tone quality. Debussy Preludes, coda to Brahms Sonata in F#m, Chopin Nocturnes. Can you really not hear it? Or is this just childish rebellion against the rest of the listening public. None of our great pianists are worthy of such comments.
charlescourt 5 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more. You can add Tchaikowsky solo-pieces, Ravel and many more. This person is obviously not familiar with Prokofiev's piano-style. Richter was, though...
Pianowrestler 5 years ago
The Soviets were great like I said, but did not release what they thought was unworthy (opinions of a few not the whole) and these are some of the greatest of Richter's recordings...
uhrkraft 5 years ago
Actually I find it quite easy to mimic Richter, I just brutally rush through passages with no concern for tone color or grace, landing exactly squarely on all chords, with no sense of voicing, so that I sound like a midi-file, go almost completely dry on the pedal, and flatten out the dynamic range of the melodic line so that I sound even more like a midi-file - oh, and try to hit all the right notes - does that sound familiar? Was that the "ideal Soviet sound"?
lmnop2006 5 years ago
I bet this kid is deaf...
hhkez2dj 5 years ago
Are you replying to his statements or mine? You're an ass if you believe what he says...
uhrkraft 5 years ago
Of course I was replying to Imnop2006's comments.
"Actually I find it quite easy to mimic Richter, I just brutally rush through passages..."
Grow up, son...
hhkez2dj 5 years ago
Eat cock asshole
uhrkraft 5 years ago
I assure you uhrkraft, I know something about the piano. Richter is terribly overrated in my opinion.
But you are in hero-worship mode, as most teenagers are, and you can't tolerate anyone saying something negative about your hero, this is understandable.
Perhaps when you are a little older, and you begin to expect more from a pianist besides the very limited artistry of Richter, you will understand.
lmnop2006 5 years ago
Wisdom does not come with age, but with only experience. To assume I cannot understand anything more abstract than speed and flare is trite. I would love to see you mimic Richter, it would have to be easy due to his " limited artistry." Many of his recordings were catered to the Soviet Union's Ideal sound, and despite this they're still incredible. There has been a large release of unedited material that is out of this world.
uhrkraft 5 years ago
If you don't like Richter fine, give criticism that can benefit others who idolize Richter. To say his playing is brutal and colorless is pessimistic and undeserving...
uhrkraft 5 years ago
as always colorless and brutal
lmnop2006 5 years ago
You're in such denial you coulden't tell your ass from your face... ya stupid fucking twat.
uhrkraft 5 years ago
Man, there aren't any pianists like there used to be.
HarutTheSorcerer 5 years ago
You cant get a pianist that has more character the Richter!!! Hes amazing - and so the the Prokofiev Sonata
sidovichplayingbach 5 years ago
the first 3 notes...Nintendo DS HAHAHAHAHA
Richter Rocks!!!
parule 5 years ago
I can't get enough of this sonata.
sagara89 5 years ago
Sagara,
Which sonata is this?
Normanicus Diabolicus
NormanicusDiabolicus 5 years ago
Number 6
shlomzion 5 years ago