Androgyny - In/defined

[podcastbard]

I think Androgyny is more closer to God. But to understand that we need to know what or who God is. Or maybe this thought is from the Hitchhikkers Guide to the Galaxy. But if it could be found in the Guide, I couldn't write about it here because of some Universal Copyright law. So maybe I'll just stick with my first sentence so no Vogon would read me any of his poetry. Mine's better anyway.

[LoveBaseballLove]

dreamers

[CallMeTheDuck]

this just blew my mind a little.

[TheLovesoul1]

androgny to me is very beautiful i can't really say i act like a man even though i have the form of one i am however attracted toward females but i'm very emotional and mostly shy but i don't like bossy people.

[HunterLovell]

Something about the conclusion of the video bothers me a bit. She says androgyny fails because it becomes the very thing it was trying to break apart: gender labels/groups. With that she´s assuming that androgynous people exist because they want to break away from strong femininity or strong masculinity just for the sake of going against what´s established, as opposed to doing it because they feel both feminine and masculine or gender neutral.

[HunterLovell]

To some people androgyny might not be about rendering the idea of labels obsolete, but about describing their inner state, independent of the existence or non-existence of labels.

[Superspaceify]

i guess you would consider me a androgonist (lol idk if i spelled that right)....i mean i have real short hair and im a girl who wears boy clothes but im not a tomboy and have been totally breaking gender stereotypes even when i was a child like at four i was just taking off my shirt in the backyard and not wearing bandanas and i even look kind of boyish so huh....i think thats actually pretty cool X3

[GaeilgeSpraoi]

@Superspaceify I'm the opposite in many ways, I'm a gay male but I don't subscribe to the way in which society expects me to dress or act. I look quite feminine in many ways, I wear female clothing often mixed with male clothing, make-up, even my haircut is unisex, so often people ask whether I'm male or female... like yourself, I used to try on my mam's high heels as a child and wanted to play with girls and dolls and such... :D

[prschuster]

I think most men naturally have more masculine traits and most women naturally have feminine traits. Different cultures will assign specific socially constructed roles based on these differences, but I think there are some real gender differences. That being said, androgyny is a real identity and we have a special place in every society. We are special because not everyone can be one of us and it's time we realize our uniqueness and celebrate it.

[roidroid]

i don't really get the last point about androgyny being a label, just like masculine or feminine.

If you lived in a world of mostly black & white, and you saw someone starting to use shades of grey instead. Would you say "Psh, your work is so derivative. You're just mixing Black & White".

what

an

asshole

[roidroid]

"oh you must be good at basketball... you know... coz you're black"

you should feel bad for saying that.

gender is the same.

and people should feel bad about the generalisations too.

they should feel just as bad.

[genomastergenomaster]

6:04 - 6:24 WISDOM RIGHT THERE.

[evercharmer]

This video presents an intriguing point. I call myself androgynous because it gives people some way to understand what I am, not to buck the system. I'm more of a fill in the blank kind of person than a pick option a, b, other, kind of person.

[quackstarinc]

Before duality ... non generative ... same .... one hand clapping ... malchovitch malchovitch malchovitch Allone

[bustitwydeopen365]

I luv the end were she said being androgynous puts u in another category and give ur self sumthing else to confim to so so so tru

[Shadeleaves]

I have grown comfortable with the fact that I am and androgynous female. It has helped me cope with anxiety I faced when trying to stick to the female gender role. I've considered myself bi, but something was missing,until someone pointed out,"Hey, maybe it's androgyny." I always wanted to play the "male role",felt extremely uncomfortable when treated like a girl, nauseous even .Never felt right in girl's clothing. I love makeup and fashion,but mentally, I'm just not a complete female. :)

[EmilyLightning]

@Shadeleaves Thats pretty much exactly how I feel.

[microwalnut]

Androgyny shouldn't, and in my vocabulary, does not define gender ambiguity; rather a rejection of psychological gender. For me, its more an acknowledgement of the limitless form in which the human personality can take and represent themselves.

[torresstr8]

gender is a lot less fluid than sexuality, which is more plausibly seen as being on a spectrum. excepting those who identify as trans gendered, geneder is determined by the genitalia we were born with. triying to intellectualise the issue of gender needlessly complicates things. we have boundaries and rules because the human mind works in terms categories. nothing wrong with that. i am neither uneducated nor intolerant but i am SICK of the endless theorising that people indulge in today.

[samm1809]

@torresstr8 thank you for beating me to my thought. a group of social scientists or something have been trying to predict what the world will be likein 50 or 100 years and the most prominent expectation is that androgyny will be naturally dominant. i wouldn't be happy with that. i'm a guy and i'm straight as a ruler. and that doesn't include girly men. or manly girls. i honestly think a world with one gender to society's eyes would be depressing.

[torresstr8]

gender is a lot less fluid than sexuality, which is more plausibly seen as being on a spectrum. excepting those who identify as trans gendered, geneder is determined by the genitalia we were born with. triying to intellectualise the issue of gender needlessly complicates things. we have boundaries and rules because the human mind works in terms categories. nothing wrong with that. i am neither uneducated nor intolerant but i am SICK of the endless theorising that people indulge in today.

[SavageInsight]

There's even "gay" or "lesbian" :P Worst of all is "gender queer" because breast binding, or whatever boy/girl behavior is STILL binary. Androgynous types get to create and be something new. I don't believe androgyny is the refusal of gender traits; I believe it is the full saturation of human spectra and choice, rather than being sexless and inhuman. People need to have full choice and full exposure to everything that there is out there so we can choose to be ourselves.

[Saiaton]

There's obvious physical male & female except for a tiny number of people, but for everything else to claim to combine genders means believing in gender stereotypes in the first place. There are still roles reserved for women - mainly personal appearance - that men still can't adopt without being assumed not capable of heterosexuality. Women adopting masculine stereotype but not men feminine confirms a belief in the superiority of masculine stereotype that feminists used to oppose, now enforce

[ToBideTime]

1:49 - I completely agree. Neither the biological nor the social construct of "gender" is of consequence, in my personal life, regarding whom I love or how I perceive the person as an individual.

I agree, however, that presenting a whole new set of gender boundaries ("androgyny" as a mix of two gender roles) is less of a deconstruction and more of another unnecessary conformity. Just be yourself, and fuck how others identify you. Their confusion is merely them questioning their own stigmas.

[disintegration13]

i'm androgynous.i think i knew i always was.from very on i knew i was different from the other boys, and i was wayyyy different from the girls(because of my body).i played with girls and their stereotypical games(dolls,dress up,singing dancing ect.) and i played with boys and their stereotypical games(cars,action figures,sports, guns/war ect.)but it was all me.i sometimes would imagine myself as a girl, sometimes as a boy.i've become content in androgyny.society will always gender me, i don't.

[Jukeboxheroswsprod]

i enjoy being androgynous. at first being called a handsom young man bothered me, but its ok. because i know i am a pretty girl. yes, i am a girl with a deep voice and fashionable hair. ^_^ i grew up like a boy, so whos who these days anyways

[MatthewMacaya]

i agree that labels are for jam jars fasho and all that, but were humans and we mainly communicate through voice(words) yes androgyny is a label, however its defination does describe how someone can look or think, and in that way the word itself can help others to better understand what androgyny is. my main point is...just be. just be you, no one else and youll be fine. :)

[illuminationhighrock]

There are two types of androgyny, physical and psychological. Those that look androgynous or are intersex fall under physical androgyny. Those who's gender identity is androgynous fall under psychological androgyny. Some people are both physically and psychologically androgynous. Androgynous fashion is a way to express psychological androgyny since the clothing one wears expresses one's gender identity.

[iHomestarrunner69]

I like the idea of a belief system... I am a boy and voila!

[tisqart]

The last semester I couldn't take choir because I needed other classes for my graduation. This shyness around girls persisted into my first couple of college years and last summer those same cousin's came to where our family lives again. I have been shy around them for a long time and always try to talk to them. But this time when they came I was going to say something to them. My sister's and my cousin's were sitting around talking on a porch I came outside and sat right down.

[Genduh]

@tisqart YouTube probably isn't the best place to go to for help... not least because of the comment length limits! I read your story anyway and I reckon you need to try experimenting with how you express yourself to make yourself feel more comfortable, and try going to a proper forum where you can read about how other people came to their realisations. Mine is susans.org, it has both a section for fully transgendered people and one for androgynes, too! Hope it is useful for you. (:

[tisqart]

Ever since then I have been quite shy around girls. I know in junior high I hung out with a lot of girls. But In high school I didn't really have a really good girl friend except for my neighbor. In high school I never really acted girl like or anything and did a lot of guy things. But I know when I was around girls I wanted to talk to them and hang out with them but never really did in high school. I was in choir though and I tried to higher my voice in choir.

[tisqart]

too if you were 13 and your brother always wanted to hang out with you?

[tisqart]

room asking her friends things and trying to have fun with. All of a sudden my own sister yells at me like she never did before and tells me to get out of her room and that she hates me when all I was doing was wanting to talk and hang out with her and her friend. This reaction is completely understandable to me today...I was completely naive to what going on with her emotionally...girls definitely mature faster than boys. What do you girls with a brother think? would you have been pissed at me

[tisqart]

my Dad how I felt about this person but did not know how to put it in words how normal this person was and was afraid my dad would think I was a freak if I tried to.

Around the time between the time I was about 5 to about 14 my sisters would not have a problem with me trying to have fun with her girl friends because I loved to hang out with them...but one day around the time my sister turned 13 I was banned from being with her friends. It started one day when I was 14....I kept going in to her

[tisqart]

..I always knew in my heart that that person got a sex change for a good reason and I could not understand why my dad couldn't understand that at the time but I didn't tell him that. My dad was and is a very intelligent person even at that time....but the fact remained ...I thought of that person as normal as anyone else while my dad didn't understand. I completely empathized with this unknown women at our church who got a sex change and I know a few times in high school I wanted to explain to

[tisqart]

I don't remember a lot about my reactions to his little after church conversation with us kids but I know it definitely opened my eyes and amazed me that people could actually change their sex. I know for a fact that even as a pre-adolescent that my dad saying "I don't understand why she got a sex change.... " part of that sentence felt wrong in my mind. I always thought that everyone was equal as my parents taught me through their lifestyle and I didn't understand why my dad didn't understand

[tisqart]

I do not know who that person is to this day...she must have left the church sometime between my pre-adolescent years and my teenage years. Today I look back and see a slight ignorance in what my dad said and his reactions to someone transsexual, but I am sure he has evolved since then. One thing good that came out of that conversation was before that day I had no idea that people could get a sex change.

[tisqart]

He simply said did you know that one day that woman used to a man.  He sort of said it in nice sort of way but when he talked about the her more it did not seem as he talked about her equal as he should have when I look back on it. He said to us children that it was her choice and there is no problem with the way she lived...but he had to add "I don't understand why she decided to get a sex change but people can be who they want to be and live their live the way they want to".

[tisqart]

Then I remember my dad calling and the next thing I know he is barreling down the stairs towards the basement. I go and hide on the other side of the bed to hide my face. I try to wipe off the make-up and run but he is right there and sees my face. Then I starting crying and my dad hugs me(I think) and I run up to the bathroom to wash my face off. The next big thing I remember in detail is at our church. My dad explains dad to our family that a women at our church had a sex change.

[tisqart]

with them but no one comes.

I did plenty of "boy"/"girl" stuff and enjoyed that. Climbing trees, exploring the woods, playing basketball, baseball, soccer, playing with the neighbors, jumping off a shed, building tree forts, sword fighting with sticks, etc. But I always wanted to do girl stuff too.

The next big thing I remember from when I was a kid is my neighbor and my sister ended up giving me a make-over when they had a sleepover. I remember smiling through the whole thing........

[tisqart]

I stay in my room afraid to walk out again for fear getting caught, but I open the door to my room a crack and watch silently at the door to my sisters' room. I am sitting at the edge of my bed focused on the door, focused on the distant giggles. I hear a loud laugh from their room and instantly tears stream down my face again. I sit their hoping my parents or my aunt and uncle will come by to tell me its alright to go into their room and talk to them and have fun them with and giggle and laugh

[tisqart]

I wanted so, so, so bad to interact and have fun with them. I walked very slowly towards their room about to knock on their door and I could here them laughing and giggling about something. About to knock...then my Uncle comes by " GO TO BED". I walk back into my room tears streaming from my eyes.

[tisqart]

I remember one night very vividly as a kid.... I have three girl cousins that lived about 8 hours away from our house. They visited once...we interacted and played during the day, but I remember at night the parents put us to bed. All five of my sister's and cousins were in one room and I was alone in the other. They stayed up all that night talking to each other and having fun I was alone and awake and I remember crying at least on 5 to 6 separate occasions that night and I never fell asleep.

[tisqart]

I just know that through my life I have consistently imagined myself as a women. I remember as a kid I after I saw the movie Aladdin I would want the genie to come to me and I would wish only one wish...to be a girl, and then my second wish would be to free Genie. I would also dress up as a girl and I continue to dress up like a women today. I have two sisters and no brothers...I remember I when I was a kid and my sisters would have sleepovers I would always want to join them. I remember one

[tisqart]

hetersexual guy and 75% that I am a transsexual lesbian. Probably a month ago I would have to say it would have been 28%/72%......the problem is I need either a 0%/100% or a 100%/0% and it is completely killing me trying to find out ....what should I do??? my life needs to go on...

[tisqart]

because I don't know if I should in case I am not heterosexual or I am not bisexual or I am not a transsexual lesbian or bisexual...currently I would have to say I am 100% sure I am not a homosexual man...I am 90% sure I am not bisexual(whether I am a transsexual bisexual or a non-transsexual bisexual) ... the percentages on the whether I am simply an extremely androgynous heterosexual guy or if I am a transsexual lesbian I would have to say 25%/75%

25% being that I am an extremely androgynous

[tisqart]

Hi, ever since I heard the word androgyny I have been fascinated by it. It just opened my mind so much more and I just love that word and what it means. I have problems I think. I do not know if I am just a really extremely androgynous person or if I am transsexual and lately this debate on whether I am just an androgynous trans gender emotionally or if i am truly transsexual has been killing me ... I am very confused. If had money to get a sex change $40,000 I would not get it not becuase

[tisqart]

I do not want to but because I would feel so selfish using $40,000 just for myself ....I would want to use it for better and kinder things. Now back to my constant debate with myself whether I am transsexual or not. If anyone here watches South park they know who Mr. Garrison is....I would have to characterize myself as super insanely Anti-Garrison concerning his personality and his rush in to it one-second crazy decisions to change his sexuality, from hetero to homo .... women to man

[tisqart]

... hetero-woman to homo-woman....and then back to hetero-man...while only thinking of himself and what he could gain by becoming these sexualities and genders....I on the other hand am a shy person and completely open-minded about anything new....I would never call myself heterosexual or bisexual or lesbian or transsexual unless I was completely 100% sure and I have debated with myself long and hard....all I know now is that I am a extremely androgynous individual and have not come-out

[perpetualmarble]

My problem is not that I'm androgynous, but that I'm a straight girl who's almost solely attracted to androgynous males. I find a person attractive for who they are, not if they are "masculine" or "feminine." Unfortunately for me, those boys usually like, well, boys.

[GothicMunky101]

Androgyny is just a title for people who are free spirited and don't care about gender when expressing themselves. there has to be some kind label for those people because most of the world is to close-minded to understand those people unless they are defined.

[myproo]

thanks for making me think

[Sian103]

Thank you for this video, it has made me realise a few things and made me think.

[yaaah25]

I'm not sure what conclusion to draw for the sake of my own self-comfortability.

Well, I'm technically a female who likes females, but I've always been frustrated with my gender. Then again, I don't think I am quite into nor do I find it worth it to make the change, and I have attributes that don't really fit into either. My appearance...well, I'm always mistaken for either gender, but my chest is always a giveaway.

This androgynous concept seems so good to me, yet I feel I don't deserve it.

[ckinch]

Not saying either one is better, or "right". It's just like saying gay people and straight people are the same by definition. It's just absurd.

[ckinch]

There is an absolute difference between a person who has both genitals, or has got an operation to switch their genitals to the opposite(transgendered) COMPARED to a person who has only one genital, and just looks a bit like the opposite sex, or acts, or has some vibe of it or does their hair or clothes a little or half like the opposite sex. The two are not the same. Don't label people who are transgendered as androgynous, they are TRANSGENDERED. They already have their word.

[illuminationhighrock]

@ckinch Technically transgender is an umbrella term used to describe people who don't conform to the standard gender role of their physical sex. So androgynous does fit under that category. It gets confusing cause people think the terms transgender and transsexual are synonymous. A transsexual is a type of transgender but not all transgender are transsexuals.

[ckinch]

@illuminationhighrock I see what your saying, but still. I used to define myself as androgynous, like in a david bowie way, but then on myspace i would get nothing but transgendered people adding me and I'm like !!! Thats not what i meant!! So i stopped using that word.

[mariekitu]

I hate the type of females they present as androgynous.

Short hair doesn't make you androgynous, it makes you look gross.

I consider myself androgynous (combining or alterning highly femimine or masculine characteristics), and I honestly don't MAKE A POINT of looking boyish, but I just like looking not too "polished". I NEVER wear make up, like very dark and sober clothes, stiff and matte fabrics, black and bold shoes, I am also quite proud and even a tad "nervous". But I keep my hair long(ish).

[mariekitu]

I hate like some women have short hair but wear make up or frilly skirts for example. It's ugliness and grossness and vanity, possibly the worst combination you could fine. Long hair gives you the spiritual, mystical, free, strong dimension a human needs.

Sorry but short hair on a woman makes me want to vomit. It's just unconsciousness, bad taste, lack of dignity or humanity or something.

I honestly don't like being hateful, but I've just realized about that new "buzz" around androgyny, I happen

[mariekitu]

to have found great relief and comfort in being able to define myself as androgynous, which BTW I don't see much as the pseudo-intellectuals speaking here are trying to explain (though they're not saying much), more like a haven "label" for the ppl who, among other things, hate the stereotypes of their sex (IMO, brutality for men and sluttiness, mannerism and lots more for women) and present the ABSENCE of their worst features.

Anyway this kind of women are making me feel disgust for what I am.

[mariekitu]

Also, I don't see an androgynous guy as "a guy who acts 'gay' but isn't one".

I wonder if somehow androgyny wouldn't be part of an attitude regarding many more subjects than JUST sexuality.

Purity and some form of absolution, feeling the "centre", and essence of life balancing out all characteristics of genre, "moral orientation" and different states of mind, not falling into the randomness of specific and timed dress fashion, being above all that, feeding off the purest spiritual things.

[mariekitu]

Anyway, sorry for monopolizing this page, just had to say all that, and it could be wrong of me to bash on women for having (or not) a certain style, or denying them the right to call themselves androgynous for it, but to me androgyny is something beautiful and what I saw really wasn't, and I didn't see anything of the NATURE or ESSENCE of androgyny. No TENSION or CONTRAST of any kind for example.

So maybe the thing to do NOW would be to start defining several SORTS of androgyny.

[Emilydogcat]

I worked as a visiting teacher and taught kids in their homes and one of the children was working on gender. The child's regular assistant was asking the boy, "Is mommy a girl or a boy?" and so forth and when it came to me, the child said that I was a a boy (the child had got every one else correctly but me). When corrected, "No teacher is a girl" the child laughed, "No, teacher is a boy!" The mother stared at me with a sort of enjoyment on her face and said:

[Emilydogcat]

"Well it is not because of your short hair because my husband has long hair and "Billy" knows that daddy is a boy!" She really focused on making me uncomfortable. It was almost sadistic really. The assistant looked embarrassed and said something about not everyone fitting the typical stereotype. She was kind. The mother was not kind. She was accusing and rude because I did not stereo typically female looking. It was the delight on her face and how she kept staring at me that gave me the creeps.

[Emilydogcat]

Some people are like that, and attack people and things that are different. I did not try to look male either. I wore professional clothing and even a bit of make-up. It is just how I look.

It is scary when people stop seeing you as a human if you don't fit a stereotype. That woman scared me. Her little child was delightful and honest. I was not offended that he thought I was a boy at all. What offended me was the intense stare and the accusing looks of the mother.

[Emilydogcat]

correction: because I did not look like a stereotypical female.

[Killerclownmeat]

hmm i believe i have found myself.

[SolitudesGrace]

Androgyny=Paradox

[zachy3621]

i have a very androgynous body and i am purely hetero girls like me

[XvividX]

glad i saw this

i don't feel so alone now :)

[vibravibra]

androgyny is just hot.

[shinobiquinn]

Welll I am andro-gendered i never thought of my self as male or female.

[maitriparamita]

We are slowly escaping from the binary thinking of male or female, Adam or Eve, The gender stereotypes are nowhere near as polarized as they were 50 years ago and are generally not enforced on children as they were. Schools are now mixed, most jobs are open to any gender, lots of clothes can be worn by any gender and role-models (especially musicians) are increasingly androgynous. This greatly undermines sexism and male supremacy as well as the assumptions underlying homophobia and transphobia.

[em1ly420]

wow... i think i've found the answer i'm androgynous

[brynn]

wow I read the first sentence and I thought. "hmm" You have hate issues." Learn to know yourself before you start making crazy accusations pretending to know about other people. You are just a hater. And haters always lose in the long run. So join the good side and forget about gender roles, and learn about the true meaning of a human soul.

[Mariucciaorbist]

I am androgynous man and I really like it and feel very comfortable with it, I wear kind of clothes ''normal'' man wouldn't wear , i am very soft and fragile ,caring and I have soft voice...And I'm really hetero ,not even ''bi''...Really! But girls seems to think that I prefer boys I'm afraid , so why I think I have no girlfriend what's really depressing! I just CAN'T be more masculine , IT WOULDN'T BE ME!

[conzicann]

oh, all the neat girls like mildly androgynous men. they represent something that's generally unobtainable. c:

[tricksta234]

hey

i am an androgenous woman and i have the same thing ..dont worry you will find some one who will be attracted to you and not to some macho man that you are not...i always get called a lez even though im not ..i too am hetero but guys and girls think imnot and i experice homphpbic bullying buy i do not care keep stong and be you !

x :)

[carolinegr]

@Mariucciaorbist that's okay, you don't have to change your behavior. You are great the way you are. Just show the people you like that you like them - that will clear up any assumptions.

[Discofiable]

@Mariucciaorbist:

There's nothing wrong with you. I think you need to find a woman who isn't so selfish into looking for someone to tower over her, but one who wants to love, regardless of conventional means.

There are women like that in the world, they just take a longer time appearing. If you haven't found a great woman already, you will soon. 8)

[genomastergenomaster]

@Mariucciaorbist you're a pussy gayfag homo little girl go grow some balls

[DisneylandBug]

@Mariucciaorbist Im a girl and i think its sooooo hott.

[strawberryfetish]

@Mariucciaorbist I have a friend with the same problem :/ but I always thought every girl wishes gay guys were straight (they actually give a damn about their looks) dont worry <3333

[eloisaanguiano]

@Mariucciaorbist Dont worry. Im in the exact position as you! But to the inverse. I am a Manly_Girl. I like to look cute and all, but i just dont fit in the girly girl attitude and appereance. Im very impulsive, sometimes rough, and like to be practical. I pursue masculinity for myself because i like men so much. But still the men who im most atracted to are androgynous. I just feel that androgynous are somehow in a balance. I want that balance for me and for my partner.

[JAMIE6SUPERSTAR]

the agenda of the united states

merge god an hate (bullshit)

seperate males an females make them hate one anorther sexism femenism

world war 3 end to peace

new world order facism

one world religion conservitism

[JAMIE6SUPERSTAR]

wake up

rise up

raise babylon up

peace 666

[JAMIE6SUPERSTAR]

WOMEN NOT SO MUTCH

[JAMIE6SUPERSTAR]

ALL MEN SHOULD BE ANDROGYNOUS

[matrayabudahchrist]

you know oddly enouth i can't help but agree with that

[manoele]

exactly, only people who are caught up in the gender binary seem to want to make distinctions and want other to define themselves so they can feel comfortable. The rest of us have better things to think about, like who we are as individuals.

[stephphorever]

Gunnarsgun, you totally contradicted yourself because if everyone was androgynous and beautiful, then we wouuld all be pansexual because there would be billions of gender identities

[danishay]

I agree completely, the term/ category "androgyny" is just another box to put people in. All these labels make it so much easier for closed minded people to move about their lives comfortably because when everything is so clearly categorized, they don't have to spend any of their precious time wondering.. Wondering or considering that the world is not so black and white; that maybe the things they believe in aren't true. Labels don't require getting to know an individual. And its so sad.

[roidroid]

@danishay well to be honest, getting to know a lot of people can be rather disappointing, even dangerous. It's a better idea to first try to weed out people you don't want to get to know, so that you're left with a short-list.

typical example: it can be a good idea for genderqueer people to avoid religious fundamentalists.

The world is not entirely a safe place, take care of yourself.

[funnylittleonion]

it's about time that someone made a video like this! Thank you for putting it so simply....after all, that's all gender should be: simple...but it's not and people need to accept that we all should live outside the box and not in it.

[Gunnarsguns]

what if we were all beautiful , androgynous and bi ?

[enigmatically]

androgyny is sexy

[MorroccoSurrogate]

The androgyne at 1:49 is super cute... I adore her hairstyle!

[motherofallbiatches]

Interesting video. I consider myself androgynous but I don't/won't conform to anyone's rule/expectation except mine and that's what I think androgyny really is. It is undefineable and an act of defiance but we do need to give it a a name for communication's sake.

I consider myself first and foremost a person. I have masculine and feminine qualities. I refuse to conform to some stupid norms that society imposes. Everybody should be free to be themselves. That is when we are truly empowered.

[collegeguy2009]

amen... lets end gender segregation now.

[yeunhan]

I agree with the end of this video. I think that in the end, if one truly wants to get away from being classified or being bound by a classification one needs to live by one's own category consisting of just themselves. For instance, not living as an androgynous person but as themselves; not dressing feminine or masculine but dressing in whatever they, as an individual, prefer -dressing in whatever piece of clothing they like and not classifying it as fem or masc.. just a piece of clothing-.

[lvecsey]

agreed about the point at the end and I also think another misconception is that if you somehow test or are shown to be in the middle of some spectrum, any spectrum, that you are incapable of understanding or processing the emotion elsewhere on she scale. It can still pass through you in a meaningful way.

[loveandbullets07]

i think of myself as half male and half female, and one day my body will reflect that... i want to walk around with my shirt off!

[JAMIE6SUPERSTAR]

hey yo does any girls like this because im relly in to bending gender its like my fasion statement that an goth the male gender role kind of sucks i used to think i was the only on who thought this an why isnt there more androginy in porn

[andreaandrewmilne]

Androgyny? I think it's (i) "ethically better" AND (ii) "psychologically more balanced". It's a pursuit of non-gendered models, from top to bottom, at all physiological and psychological levels. Young people should (yep, that's an imperative) be socialised in a fully non-gendered fashion. Non-dimorphic; not even a spectrum from F-to-M; no F or M points of reference. Where physiology (even the reproductive stuff) is no more gendered than red hair/brown/black hair. Non-sex toilets, yoh!! x andrea

[rokubenny2005]

I like that last bit about the invalidity of androgyny

[processLIFE]

cool video!

thanx for sharing!

[codemakeme]

Androgyny FTW. But seriously Androgyny is either lacking majority of defintions from masculine and feminine characteristics or a makeup of characteristics of both that cannot define something or someone as more one than the other.

[Koopalo]

great video! I'm feeling less isolated now, seeing that there are many people who think this way. I don't think that you have to be all male or all female. In fact, you don't have to be any gender. Every person is unique and I wish we didn't have to be controlled by socially assigned gender.

[RayOfLight11]

Native Americans consider us Two-Spirit people, which are people who are whole, that have united both masculine and feminine spirit in one body, therefore there is no need to search for an opposite sex counterpart and they considered them to be good omens and spiritual people who could walk between spiritual and material worlds

[zid902002]

Very educational.

[fellafem]

U get to decide.

[changingone77]

This is brilliant. I've tried to articulate before how gender seems to be contingent upon our social environment, how my gender switches depending on the genders and situations around me, but haven't succeeded so well as this. Great work.

[TheHearthOfDark]

PS: (sorry if i made some grammar mistakes but english is not my mother language XD!!)

[TheHearthOfDark]

I really understand androgynous people because i am an androgynous too (i am a boy) many people often really don't know if u are a man or woman... in my case i often hear call me like a girl because of my charatteristics appearance such as face and bodytype... but i am really happy to be myself... i don't consider stupid people that consider androgynous gay lesbians or trans, so u must be proud of your appareance! I think that androgynous are the beautist people in this world!!!

[illuminationhighrock]

@TheHearthOfDark There is physical androgyny, like you have described about yourself. Intersex is also another type of physical androgyny. But sometimes androgyny is not about the body but about gender identity. Some psychologically androgynous people are also physically androgynous, but not always. They may be androgynous in the way they dress, since gender identiy is expressed though the clothing one wears.

[quemacha]

Is androgyny the same as hermaphroditism or intersexuality? I think there's one concept that refers to possessing male and female characteristics and another that refers to having neither male nor female characteristics, but someone may know more about that than I do.

[eleanor7rigby]

No. Im pretty sure that androgyny (as understood in our days) refers to gender only, as in the social norms attached to a person´s sex. Hermaphroditism on the other hand is about sex, about having both sex organs, regardless of the gender identity. IT is an innate/ biological condition. Androgyny is social/cultural.

[collegeguy2009]

oh hell no... androgyny and hermaphroditism/intersexuality are severely antonymous. :|

[tenthingsqueer]

androgyny is different to them two, or at least in my opinion, and i'm pretty sure 'genderqueer' is what you're thinking of. genderqueer people see themselves as totally genderless, or both male and female xD

[andr0gurl]

i loved this video because it explains how i feel every single day of my life. it has given me the words i have so longed to hear and speak to others. thank you so much for this.

[wingsofdrkness]

Well, people have trouble guessing my gender even with my long hair(female), but sometimes I enjoy being mistaken for a man. When I go to classical concerts, I wear a tux, but at times I like looking feminine and pretty. Society, like others have said, put people into boxes and it annoys me because then people think you're a freak if you take one step outside the box. Which I often like to do. I'm often criticized for it and I wish they could watch your video and understand like I do.

[electrolarnyx]

Interesting video. When I cut my hair really short (I am a female) people had trouble guessing my gender. This happened more so at school, where we have a uniform that covers up my boobs.

I actually enjoyed having people sit there and struggle to guess my gender :)

[SchweigerTil]

clothes shouldn't "say" who we are inside anyway... when you think about it, it's really weird.

[Androgynistic]

interesting.

[katten838]

I believe that all people is androgyny, its just the society that has made up stupid expectations how a male or female should be like.

[GoldfishChannel]

society also created androgyny. without society, people are nothing.

[manicmonomaniac]

Nicely done. Although, it did seem to feature mainly women. I'd have liked to have seen some more views of men.

I think androgyny is whatever you want it to be. That's the whole principle of it.

I'm a (definitely) straight girl, but androgynous men send me wild. For me, it represents liberty, freedom of expression (of any kind, sexual, artistic, social etc), objective choice, or just plain style!

[ConverseKitsune]

This is a very interesting video. I like how you face both sides of the discussion and voice all of your thoughts. ^^ Nice job.

[AskAJanything]

the video is great the accents set me off!!!

[JezebelDecibel]

Gender and identity is analogue not digital; we have the right to be different.

Having no gender identity, can also another boundary.

Their was a strong philosophy like this back in the 80ts and I was assaulted by 3 separatists feminists until they drew my blood and were then shocked at how far they went. They felt that my feminine gender was a betrayal of my ambiguous birth and that I should have lived neutral; without gender.

[genderfluidjelly]

Sometimes I'd like to be able to find a box to fit into. I'd like to be able to put my finger on my identity, trap it down and give it a name; but it just never happens because it's fluid and can't be captured. I see myself as masculine, but not as male. I don't believe that masculinity = male, I just believe masculinity is masculinity. I've never seen myself as female at all though, and so I just can't figure out what to call myself.

[monkeyonthewall]

we're creating a magazine with the concept of the second issue being androgyny.. just like to thank you, this video helped a lot!

:)

[Spankerstine]

haha the girl sitting by the water is so Ed from cowboy bebop

[TheGodMar]

Beautiful video.

[xantoniolovelacex]

really interesting and artistic video - incorporates the idea of being between the masculine and feminine extremes that society likes to hole people into. J'adore! x Ant

[texaska20]

there are shown some very nice thoughts,i agree with the most of it..we canot destroy labels by creating new ones..the basic thing is not to label at all,not to expect that things or people are gonna act the same way as the group we put them into..

[TENSHIxNOYOxONI]

i agree with all of the comments ... very well done... but i think your complicating the concept of androgyny by trying to define it into words... i think that your right it can't really be explained or labeled as one specific thing but most people aren't able to fathom a middle ground of gender, personality, and etc. the concept is to abstract if that makes sense ... but you did a great job like i said ^^

[thecopycatkillers]

Well DOne!!!Well said!Giorgio

[WeSpeak]

Great doco! Loved it. But I'm not sure that being androgyne means conforming to a set of rules...I mean, from my experience, it's a free-fall expression. I have no doubt in the future there will be due to increase in numbers, but even then, those "gender-outlaws" (like myself) will find another name :)

[daniel13ny]

I agree with the Indefined concept. Pretty cool. and good insights

[CodyKunLvsGackt]

this is very interesting and well-made. I've always regarded Androgyny as simply referring to physical appearance, like an extremely pretty boy, or on the other side of the Spectrum, masculine looking women (like in Takarazuka). ?It's never been very sexual in my own oppinion...but that's just me.

[AndrogynyQueen]

this vid is pretty cool. thanx for uploading.

[nervousneuron]

Fantastic and very thought provoking! Good job.

[Suikoden26]

Nice video. I still don't know what I am, though. I'm just nothing.

[mberning1]

No. You are not. Nothing.

[slyminx18]

great video! i totally agree that the term does actually just add another kind of "gender" to the existing ones.Whether the world is ready for the total acceptance of it depends on if people are ready to break down or make their way of thinking to include other genders/categories as normal.

[trentnp]

wow! hey great investigation about androgyny, I love the way you worked the visual things, and it is understandable what you wanted to say.