MIDItar Hero - Guitar Demonstration (Normal Mode)

[lamedude2]

what guitar controller are u using??

[aaaaasssss22]

get a real guitar

[emshicks321]

is there one 4 pc?

[mastachang69]

The real thing, from my point of view, would be exactly this but with an "re-root" or "auto-tune" feature as it is commonly called (I guess). Basically, no need to enter 4/3 notes chords for a single note : instead, when the (select?) button would be pressed, the base tone, that of the yellow button, is changed to whatever note was played last. It may be hard to remember on what scale you're playing and to figure out how to reach a certain other, but better than having to use chords for ntoes..

[powerhodges91]

dude this is tight.

0.o

[PottyWilson]

@powerhodges91 just a heads up man...don't type "0.o". Gay strippers use it as their signature...im sure it was accidental so i wanted to prevent you further harassment

[veryhighsamurai]

@PottyWilson omg you're right its not like it could be a legitimate emoticon or anything O.o

fuck i must be a gay stripper

[98lakai]

1:25 and on is pretty sick

[MegaCasualgamer]

goddamned this is fukkin awesome

[MrNorbi14]

wtf it works without game?

[Emceetem]

What you did in 1:30 i can do in a real guitar... it's not to brag...but i bet it feels way better in my strat than pressin buttons.

I have guitar hero btw.

[PohatuJr]

What if you break a string?

[JohnHam]

Have you actually used this program to record guitar tracks?

Also is there a way to say, prearrange chords and assign them through your program? Cause I mean power chords are cool and all but I can see real potential here.

[20eric07]

Hey, on your website it says Wii guitars aren't supported, I managed to use a chinese knock-off with Glovepie (not keystrokes, but joypad info) and a custom controller layout for MIDItar Hero. The whammy bar and all work perfectly. If you want the files I used to implement this on the next version of MH, drop me a message.

[Glockenator]

is there any way to use a rockband guitar for guitar hero 2?

[tehbackmaskr]

lol this is boredom..

i congrats you on your awesome configuration that serves no purpose at all.

[BrianSpud33]

Got me an A for a final class project in audio programming and synthesis. And it's fun to play around with.

[tehbackmaskr]

it looks like it would be kinda fun to play around with.... but to get an A in audio programming.... really? did u design the miditar hero software yourself?

If you use something like midiyoke, you can just assign any controller device to input a midi note of your choice.

i had a playstation 2 controller assigned to a drum kit (ez drummer) and 12 note piano (FL Keys)

If you didn't write this software then your basically not doing anything yourself at all.....

[BrianSpud33]

Umm... yes, I designed and programmed it myself using Max/MSP. What, you think I just took someone else's program and handed it in for credit?

Anyway, the program is much more versatile than using midiyoke or another similar method - it works on both Windows and OS X and with almost every GH and RB controller on 360/PS3/Wii. The interface is also easy to use, and in the normal guitar mode you can create custom scales of up to 32 notes.

[gac3la]

@BrianSpud33 OWNED !

[Logan912]

@tehbackmaskr It provides a way to use a rock band/guitar hero controller as a midi device.

[Jannto]

@tehbackmaskr Dude, dont be like that. Do you make music? YOu should, youd realize something. Doing stuff like this is fun as hell. I hooked up like like two gamepads, made their buttons play notes and their controllers, like the sticks, send xy commands or whatever. It was basically a keyboard made out of gamepads, with real time parameter control. Made a dubstep wobble bass line with em just for the heck of it.

[Link10893]

I have a question.

Can you get laid from playing guitar hero?

[BrianSpud33]

Not sure where this question is coming from, but if you're implying that I have no life and spend all my time playing Guitar Hero, you're sorely mistaken.

[Link10893]

Wow, you're hardcore.

[737flyguy]

buy a real guitar and learn mate I play a real guitar as well but GH is just for fun

[BrianSpud33]

Been playing drums and percussion (concert snare, auxilliary, mallets, timpani, you name it) for 11 years, and played piano for 6... Just so you know. :-)

[MissingAmongPeople]

i think half of you planks are missing the point. the point is that the guy made this patch himself on max msp which i have total respect for.

also, the point was to be intuitive with music technology for programming and synthesis - tell me what part of playing the guitar is classified under programming and synthesis please...........

i'm waiting............ if you want to call people planks you should be prepared to be called a plank - you fucking plank!

[HHHdahman]

Great, now a bunch of assholes are going to think they can play guitar...

[BrianSpud33]

Like they didn't already? :-P

In all honesty though, RB "drummers" thinking they can play real drums are way worse.

[austony85]

poor peeples lol

[Strongsad48]

Does this work with PC?

[BrianSpud33]

Yes.

[melvinator2424]

I am trying to set this up for a mac with a rockband 360 controller but the computer does not recongnize the controller and the light turns off a second or two later any suggestions?

[BrianSpud33]

You need to install the 360 drivers for OS X. If you already have, restart your computer.

[melvinator2424]

i did that and it still didnt work

[jacorocko]

what sting guage do you use?

[BrianSpud33]

Ha. funny guy.

[danielndenise]

lol

[imsurroundedbymorons]

man i cant download MIDItar hero...

[BrianSpud33]

Why's that?

[inricheetos]

What pickups are you using? Are they dimarzios

[Davidekap]

How can I do for using MIDItar Hero like a MIDI controller for software like Cakewalk or Cubase SX?

[InverseSun]

Which guitar is better for this personally? I find there's a LOT of lag (as you can see in the video that I posted.). Is the Rock Band controller easier to play as far as lag goes?

I'm a guitarist, so I'm use to fretting AS I'm playing, and playing the MIDItar is like playing Guitar Hero to me because I have to switch to the next chord, hold it down, THEN hit the flipper, which is really annoying.

Any thoughts?

[BrianSpud33]

I wouldn't say the RB controller helps with lag at all, but as you said the frets are a bit easier to handle. The main thing people dislike about the RB controller is the strum bar... most say it feels "mushy", especially on the older models. The newer ones strum better but they're wireless, so you'd need the 360 Wireless Adapter, and that actually increases the lag a tiny bit.

[BrianSpud33]

As far as the "fretting THEN playing" goes, that's the drawback of not playing to a pre-recorded track like you would be in Guitar Hero. Since the game knows ahead of time what you're supposed to play, I'm positive there's some leniency built-in in terms of fretting vs. strumming time. In MIDItar Hero, though, it needs to know what note you're trying to play before you strum... there's not really a workaround to that without introducing more latency.

Very cool video, by the way. :-)

[InverseSun]

Would the latency be a programming issue? Is there any way you can change the sensitivity of the frets on these kinds of controllers?

If you can show me how to change some of the settings through the program, or how you made it, I would love to take a crack at solving the latency and lag issue.

In your Dragonforce video, did you change the settings for the normal setup? I noticed you can switch out what notes are played with each button combination. Very cool.

[BrianSpud33]

There's actually only a few milliseconds of latency within MH, which is as good as it'll get. The rest of the latency is from the controller through USB... any game controller will have some amount of latency. Also, the whammy bar reacts slowly on the Xplorer controller for some reason, so that could be what you're noticing... it happens in the actual GH/RB games too.

In the TTFAF video, yeah, I just used two different custom scales in Normal Mode and switched between the two. It was fun :-)

[fortbrown128]

What music software are you using besides the miditar?

[BrianSpud33]

GarageBand... MIDItar Hero works with any application that can play software synths through MIDI input, though... so you could use FL Studio, Reason, Live, Mixcraft, etc. as well.

[aamor215]

i have a question, on midi tar how do you set up a guitar hero controller for ps2?

[Vampericlegends]

you have to use a 360 controller..I think...dont quote me on that

[BrianSpud33]

You need to use the Custom Controller setting and follow the instructions listed to find the values. The whammy bar probably won't work, though.

[DannySpencer5]

Nice dude. Ive been looking for a program like this.

5 stars + Subscribe

[TeckyGeek]

awsome program

[BrianSpud33]

Anybody else who wants to give me shit about not playing a real instrument should watch this:

/watch?v=HT-24jKJ2tM

I'm the first one in the video and on the right side for most of the piece.

[RobDFrizzle]

Yeah......the mirimba or what the fuck thats called..

[Lassiuu]

That was pretty cool! Are you planning to turn this MIDItar into some kind of a business or is the copyright owned by someone else than you?

[BrianSpud33]

Technically I have the intellectual copyright to the program, since I wrote it. Turning it into a commercial product is possibly an eventual goal but I have a good number of things to work out before it gets to that point.

[batatacreew]

duude this is awesome!

[MasterChief579]

1:25 - 1:33 is the best!

[BrianSpud33]

Hey, another douchebag! For the billionth time... I've been playing percussion for 10 years and piano for 6. I'm a Sound Recording Technology major, and this was part of an audio programming project.

Besides the fact that nowhere did I say "OMG THIS IS A REAL GUITAR". Technically it's just a novel MIDI controller... not much different from a keyboard.

Also, if you want to learn guitar modes, go read up on modal theory first. You won't learn shit from copying what someone else does in a video.

[Merkalation]

lol you told that guy off. buy the way. nice vid, five star and fev.

[InsertNameHere000]

when you're tapping, anything you do sounds awesome.

it's like e=mc2 or some shit.

[redwings1235]

thats awesome

[rocketman24524]

cool program

[InfernoTails]

YESS!!!! ive got the same guitar it will work

( if i can get the right programs ) can you please make a step by step video of how to make a midi hero guitar?

[BrianSpud33]

There's documentation inside the program, and once you have everything installed go watch my other video titled "Using MIDItar Hero with a Digital Audio Workstation".

[BrianSpud33]

Also, you can use it with any Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii guitar or drum set for Guitar Hero or Rock Band... in fact, you could use any USB controller you have.

[InfernoTails]

cool thanks :)

[BrianSpud33]

Hey everyone, I'm looking for some feedback in preparation for the next version of MH... if you have any suggestions or ideas about what'd you like to see in the program, leave a comment on the website.

miditarhero[dot]wordpress[dot]­com

[8BiTNOiSE]

WOW sick! ill stick to my real guitar, but thats pretty cool though.

[thatasiankid118]

Yeah, same here. Im gonna download the program for the drums though. and for kicks lol

[InfernoTails]

that'd be pretty kool. a drum version of this

[conflictandvictory]

hey i went to the link for miditar hero and the clicked download latest version and the download is private. can't be downloaded... so how do i get it?

[BrianSpud33]

Just fixed that... thanks.

[conflictandvictory]

no problem. but now i downloaded it and i can't seem to get my 360 strat to rock. i'm using garage band. is there something else i need?

[BrianSpud33]

Did you download the Xbox 360 controller drivers?

[InfernoTails]

what do i do with the "MFX" file that i downloaded?

it dosent seem to do anything

[BrianSpud33]

Go to the miditar hero website (link in the info and in the video) and follow everyyyyy single one of the instructions on the download page.

You need the Max/MSP Runtime to open the .mxf file, and you also need the drivers for your controller.

[BrianSpud33]

OFFICIAL WEBSITE NOW UP: miditarhero[dot]wordpress[dot]­com

[Xypher911]

1:26 is sick!

[Jklop0150]

thx dude awesome but playing real guitar is way better

[musichatesyouall]

Everything works but the strumming... I can't figure it out. Anything been coming up like this?

[musichatesyouall]

Sorry... not enough info - I am running OSX and have the PS3 Strat controller. Searched the 'net and the SH forms and can't find anything.

[hainesb09]

which guitar sound is this on garageband? like was preset

[Aguitarheroperson]

how do you do that?

[volcomesk8er14]

ok i downloaded all the things u said to but when i open nothing happens

[volcomesk8er14]

if u download the software can be dangerous to your computer????

[BrianSpud33]

Not at all, no.

[xGoWxH3ADSH0T]

o ok im a pc user so yeah

[sindiewen]

i wish i knew the stuff so i can do this on windows. ill find a way using fruty loops studio

[volcomesk8er14]

hey if you do this when you unplug it can u still use it 4 rockband????

[BrianSpud33]

Yeah, it's just a software program. There's no hardware modifications to the controller at all.

[xGoWxH3ADSH0T]

Where Do You Get The Guiatar sound from plzzz replay

[BrianSpud33]

The guitar sound is from GarageBand.

[mrdisgrace]

I have the PS3 guitar hero 4 guitar and i have everything working with your maxmsp program, my only problem is windows recognises a couple of my guitar buttons in the wrong order (green is yellow ect..), this is troublesome for use with your software but it would also be nice to be able to use the guitar in the windows version of GH3 so do you have any idea how i can get the buttons to work properly? thanks

[mrdisgrace]

Acually ignore the guitar hero 3 bit. the only thing that matter is yellow and blue are mixed up.

[TiM3X666]

Play Creeping Death!!!

[SynysterShadowsMuch]

dude, I need help, I need to press start to strum, and my thing is constantly on palm mute unless i lift the strum bar upwards :S (I'm using a mac with a ps3 LP) Thanks!

[BrianSpud33]

I'm pretty sure I don't have a PS3 LP/Mac setup done yet, because I haven't found anybody to help me out finding all the values and stuff. Send me a message if you want to help me get it working.

[js00003]

cool

[Gamewiz708]

HA Eruption... NJ

[H0Fsh07]

holy shit :O

[arthur30498]

where do you go on scorepage

[misterfung]

nice work brian!

[originalkillerpuppy]

i dont understand, why spend all that money on a game guitar when u can buy a real one and..i dont know..learn better u know.

[BrianSpud33]

I'm actually a percussionist... been playing for 10 years now. I have a real guitar too, I just don't play it all that much.

There's obviously no substitute for a real instrument, but the fact is GH/RB are actually getting people interested in playing real guitar/bass/drums. Also, a recent Modern Drummer article talked about a drum teacher whose young student's rhythm significantly improved after playing Rock Band drums.

[cloak42]

I'm a musician with SOME percussion training but no training on kit. RB helped my limb independence in a RIDICULOUS way. I went from barely being able to play stuff on Easy to being able to sightread stuff on Expert. I'm hardly the typical RB player, but it helped THIS musician to be able to legitimately play drums. That's why I'm looking at using my RB v2 kit to actually make music. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a real kit, and using MIDI, it's possible to use a VST drumkit for real.

[BrianSpud33]

If you haven't seen already, I implemented a "Drum Mode" in the latest version of MIDItar Hero... you can assign a MIDI note to each pad and the pedal.

I'll soon have the velocity sensitive feature of the RB2 pads implemented as well, so it'll basically be an inexpensive MIDI kit.

[dguydguydguy]

doesnt work helpppppppppppppppppppppppppp

[lazershadow24]

can you show me the midi u used im looking for an electric guitar like urs

[BrianSpud33]

I just used a software guitar in GarageBand. You can use any program with MIDI-controlled software instruments, though.

[lazershadow24]

wat was the instrument called?

[BrianSpud33]

No idea, I just used one of the distortion guitar sounds and changed some of the effects on it.

[BrianSpud33]

And in fact, if you have a USB MIDI interface, you can hook up a synthesizer or drum machine and play sounds off of that.

[emiltman]

hey. i downloaded that msp thing andwas monkeying around with the media hero for awhile. umm i'm kinda confused on how to use and also how to use it with another program to get it working. i have windows vista and an xbox 360 guitar hero xplorer guitar. i spent a few hours on it and could not figure it out. could u help me?

[pants362]

Max/MSP isn't the sort of thing you're going to learn in an afternoon. Its an extremely complex programing environment and requires a substantial time investment and a great deal of patience to learn.

[pants362]

Oh wait this is just a patch for the runtime. Disregard X_X.

[BrianSpud33]

Read the thread listed in the video info... that should provide full instructions on how to get everything going. If you're using Windows, you need a virtual MIDI device to send MIDI from one program to another, which I'm guessing is probably what you're missing.

[slapshot3544]

What do i do after thenote pad how do i get to freestyle like you plz tell me.

[joctee]

Wooow! Good job! And good demo!

[monakedhoes]

yes. but when i click on the runtime 5.0.4 for windows it just downloads itself and opens up as a notepad.

[monakedhoes]

when ever i download midi her v.09 it opens up as a note pad document. why?

[BrianSpud33]

Did you download the Max/MSP Runtime?

[monakedhoes]

yea and that opens as a note pad too.

[BrianSpud33]

You must be doing something wrong somewhere, because that's an application... it should be an executable file.

[monakedhoes]

ehhh. any ideas of what im doing wrong??? cause like theres multiple of apps. there so wich one do i pick. btw i have a windows based computer.

[BrianSpud33]

So you went to the cycling74 website, picked download, picked max5, picked current windows version, picked max 5.0.4 runtime, and downloaded it and installed it?

[hunterw44]

hey i have a problem with mixcraft it works fine but theres like a lag so i hear the note like 1 second after i play it

[crazytracks]

dude if you would have did this in my school i would have jumped up out of my seat and been like, $#%! yeah!!

it would have been even more awesome if you used the rock band drums in the drum machine program that andrew rudson made with this and had actually wrote a song.

Stil scores a epic an a scale of 1 to 5

[BrianSpud33]

The newest version of MIDItar Hero supports the Rock Band drum set... you can set each of the pads and pedal to a MIDI note of your choice and play drum sounds through a software synthesizer.

[crazytracks]

well, the drum machine program works without a

synthesizer, it plays through your computer speaker and you don't need a program like garageband for it too work and you can set any kind of midi sound to the drums and base pedal, it also has support for the use of 2 drum sets at once so you can set up all the tom tom and snare and cymbals sounds like on a real set, but yeah both of these programs are awesome

[scotsmanlerxt]

Well done. It's nice to see someone with real talent and skill playing something that has triggered such controversy. If anyone can make art from technology, it's a true artist.

[afterlife525]

this is so stupid. thers no point...play real guitar its alot easier than pressing a button to "change" the sound of ure rockband controler

[BrianSpud33]

I've been playing drums for ten years, piano for seven, and guitar for five... and the point of this isn't to actually "play" guitar as it is to use as a MIDI controller. I don't expect people to play this on stage, but to use when creating songs in GarageBand, Fruity Loops, etc. If you've seen the Music Studio in GH4, this could do all that but you could actually write real songs, rather than just in GH.

Besides, it started off as a school project, so the "point" was to pass my class.

[lsapg09]

1:27 = OWNAGE, lol

[SULLYEEE475]

Can u post a link to download this software?

[djondaradio]

well then is there any programs you know of that work on windows that allow you to use the controller to create music using joytomidi principles and btw amazing solo i know its not real guitar playing but its still cool

[hunterw44]

mixcraft is good

[djondaradio]

sorry a better question would be is there anyway to get guitar sounds on this with out using garageband or hooking up a guitar through a midi converter

[BrianSpud33]

No, because that's exactly how my program works. lol... it just converts the controller information into MIDI information, which should get sent to GarageBand or Fruity Loops or Mixcraft or a keyboard or drum machine or something else besides your built-in piano sound.

[djondaradio]

so you have to record the sounds yourself and then calibrate it through something like joytomidi

[djondaradio]

were did you get the midis for this and how do you change it to the guitar midis from piano

[BrianSpud33]

The "midis"? As in .midi files? Those have nothing to do with this.

As for making guitar sounds, that's up to you. You need a program that can play virtual instruments through MIDI input.

[ozzacdcfreek]

how do u get this?????

[poopr1221]

Ok, i have a question. Scorehero's being a bitch, and i can't log in.

I got Maple virtual midi. And I've set everything right. But every time i go in to any of my programs to set the midi in as maple port 1 it gives me an error saying "This port is already in use" Can you help me with this?

[Fcamping5]

how did you make it sound like a friggen guitar and not a crapy piano

[makotronex]

if it is a virus, why would it be on scorehero???

[LWSamlan]

added to favorites btw =]

[LWSamlan]

awesome idea with the binary for the notes

[BrianSpud33]

Honestly, binary wasn't my idea... I borrowed that idea from the Guitar Zeroes, but it's the only logical way to lay out the buttons to get the most possible combinations. In fact, MIDItar Hero and Fretbuzz (the program the Guitar Zeroes use) are both written in Max/MSP, which I didn't realize until recently. Fretbuzz is very cool... however, I'd like to think that MIDItar Hero is easier to set up and use, and the interface is more appealing.

[guitarherocentral911]

is this really a virus cuz i have a 360 x-plorer and this kinda looks fun?

[h2hbib9]

bad ass

[M1STAMATTDADDY]

YO THIS IS A FUCKIN VIRUS

[BrianSpud33]

Yo, you're an idiot.

[Djfatfoo]

LMAO VIRUS

[HondaracerX360]

no its not

[xVaughn360x]

i'm going to try this. cya =]

[theparadox86]

Keytar circa 2008.

[taipan8115]

hey man i got the same program im using a ps3 strat but i cant mash the start button and the fret to get the solo mode or power cords ect. ect . can you help me out bro?

[BrianSpud33]

It's not configured for PS3 controllers. Buy me a PS3 controller and I'll make it work. :-)

[Nragemachine]

Wow, Brian! You have outdone yourself. This is spectacular! Nothing will ever beat a real guitar, but this is pure genious. You need to market this, now!

[Campinsniper]

studly

[McMaNGOS]

That tapping part was freaking awesome.

[dcutt3]

I love you fat son of a bitch :)

sexxehhh

You're a freaking genius with this sound stuff though, seriously, sell this shit.

[lueshiascii]

I'd hit it.

[xamox]

Sell your idea buddy and make millionzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Dude I could seriously see this being like guitar hero pro.

[thefalsetruths]

thats fucking awesome brian

[PetieDutch]

way to go brian, ur a crazy kid.