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  • Bye the way, jeg er helt enig i at det var noget politisk makværk der forgik der med afstemningerne, og det var også noget som gjorde MIG gal, det ændre dog stadig ikke ved at man ikke kan opføre sig som man vil, heller ikke selvom man bliver snydt og bedraget......så må man være mere kreativ end at smide med sten...vi er jo ikke huleboere længre..

  • WTF "criticaly wounding at least 6 people" That is not true. 11 people were hurt by the police none of them critically!

    104 (one hundred and four) police officers were hurt by stone throwing youth several of them very critical - thus the legal and understandable use of guns.

    The politicians have demanded this investigated several times. Every time with focus on what the police did wrong!

    Nobody seems to care about who were responsible for this riot and nobody has ever been brought to justice.

  • how can the danish people Put UP with this antisocial behaviour

    by a minority of society

    i used to live there and im glad i am no longer living in such a disturbing country where migrants gets more rights than Danes

    shame on the danish politicians for letting Denmark becomming a 3 world country

  • Enhver der angriber politiet med brosten, eller andet dødeligt våben, eller for den sags skyld enhver anden person, bør stoppes med den til enhver tid tilgængelig magt....også selvom de måtte koste angriberen livet ! Det var helt korrekt at anvende pistolerne....

  • @Eurofieldherp Det er fint nok, så tror jeg vi skal lade alle bære skydevåben, så når der er folk,som ikke har de samme meninger som os, og når vi forsøger at tvinge dem på dem, og de protesterer mod vores magt misbrug og gør modstand, så skyder vi dem bare. Du er dum som en dør og en self retfærdige nar. Hvis nogen nogensinde prøver at gøre dig noget mod din vilje og du forsøger at modstå, så håber jeg, jeg er der for til af skyde dig.

  • @TheRenekruse Må jeg starte med at rose dig Rene for dit gennemtænkte og vel agumenterede indlæg, du har straks gennemskuet at jeg naturligvis er dum som en dør ( massiv egetræs eller pap ? ) og en selvretfærdig nar, hvad selvretfærdighed så end kan hentes ud fra mit tidligere indlæg !? Jeg er bestem af den mening at man skal have lov til at demonstrere, ja enda højlydt, men det øjeblik man begynder at bruge vold for at få omstødt demokratiske beslutning, blot fordi de ikke følger ens( part 1 )

  • @Eurofieldherp egne holdninger, ja så er man kun et enkelt skridt for terrorisme, og terrorisme er da noget af det mest ondskabsfuld da det jo oftes tager hele befolkningne som gisler......samme er det når man "går amok" brænder biler, angriber ordensmagten, som vi jo selv som demokrati har sat til at passe på os alle..... og angriber man nogen som helst med en 1 kilo tung brosten, som sagtens kan slå ihjel, så må man naturligvis stoppes om det så må være med døden til følge..(part 2 )

  • @Eurofieldherp Hvis man vil ændre det samfund som man lever i, eller de beslutninger som fælleskabet har taget, så man man bruge agumentering, og ikke vold..... det andet er bare infantilt, udemokratisk og til gene for flertallet.......

  • Den sorteste dag i danmark...her er noget den yderste højre og venstre fløj burde stå sammen om .....føj for satan den dag mistede jeg alt tro på demokrati

  • It would be much better if the police just shot the mob!

    Det ville være bedre hvis politiet bare skød krapylet!

  • Respekt til de unge der tog kampen op med strisserne !!!

  • Smid hele dyngen ud på en øde ø, og lad dem blive der ude. Så kan de "lege", kaste med ting efter hinanden, og tro at de er nogle helvedes karle. Fint nok at demonstrere for en sag man tror på, men dette er ene og alene IDIOTER. Bare ærgeligt at vores lovgivning ikke giver mulighed for at lade politiet bruge meget mere magt over for denne slags subjekter...

  • Prøv at tag jer en brosten, mærk vægten af den, mærk kanterne på den, forestil jer en regn af dem som kommer flyvende med 50 km/t. Prøv så bagefter at tænk på hvorfor politiet brugte vold mod jer.. Du kan ikke dø af at blive slået med en kneppel (jo men så skal der fanma meget til) Men du kan kraftedme dø af at få en kilotung brosten tyrret i skalden.. fuck jer ungdomsvandaler.. i ligger vores land i skam

  • @Mullizify De har hjelme på, slut. Ellers skulle man jo til og skyde.. De ahr ogs skudsikker vest på.

  • @WannaExpressYourSelf Er du meget dum?

  • @Mullizify Ej et godt og vel overvejet tilbage svar, uha, hva skal jeg dig sige?

    Det nok dig der ikk er helt kvik.

  • @WannaExpressYourSelf Du giver et dumt svar og jeg giver et tilbage :)

  • @Mullizify Bare fordi jeg ikk er hjernevasket? Der er i det minste det vi kalder logik i det jeg siger..

    De har udstyr til det, skulle man virkelig skade dem skal der skud til.. Og det vil de fleste jo ikke have..

    Desuden tror jeg du sgu tage og kig tilbage i historien (ikk langt) og kigge på alle de fredlige demostrationer der her være igennem tiden, altså dem de kan finde, og så se hvor mange af dem der fik omtale.. SÅ tag og kig på de voldlige = klart meget mere omtale.. Mediernes skyld.

  • @BuakawPpramuk læs det lige det du har skrevet igen og fortæl os hvem der er en uopdragen møgunge!

    de DEMONSTRANTER der demonstrere til ting som klima topmøder og/ eller andre ting bruger deres grundlovssikrede ret til at demonstrere og ytre sin protest. det er sandt at det hender at nogle af disse protester kan udvikle sig i en uheldig retning, men skylden til denne udvikling ligger udelukkende hos Politiets metoder. og personer som dig er med til at optrappe konflikten. DU er en balademager

  • @BuakawPpramuk har du fået den meget af din pappa ?

  • You people in Denmark need to wake up. Your country is being polluted with TRASH from Africa and very soon HIV will be everywhere. The only positive contribution by blacks is HIV. Get it? Sieg Heil!

  • Kaster man en brosten mod et menneske, må det jo betragtes som mordforsøg.

  • @realisticHomeboy Ja...Noget politiet åbenbart også selv gjorde sig rigeligt i den dag. 5:14 Denne "Uroer" får rigtig svunget sin skytsarm.

  • Hvordan kan det være, at de kæmpede imod EU. Men hvis man er med på socialistisk tankesæt, må man da indse, at man ønsker mere politistat og hårdere håndtering. Da STATEN mener, at BEFOLKNINGEN er for dumme til, at kan varetage selvstændige tanker. Så min sympati for den aktion som man fandt fra det ultrarøde er ganske enkelt ufatteligt dobbeltmoralsk og dumt ikke, at kan indse, at man blot var en halvhjerne der kæmpede imod uvidenheden !

  • @BuakawPpramuk Fatter du ingenting. De skiderikker politikere røvrender os alle. De laver en global regering hvor vi alle bliver slaver. Det skal bekæmpes med alle midler.

  • Those people are very pissed, and rightly so.

  • ACAB !!!

    MOTHERFUCKING SHIT HEADS.

    Wer kapitalistische Staaten schützt, gehört verprügelt!

  • @darkmountin43 mit gewalt veränderst du höchstens alles ins negative und bist nich besser als bullen.

  • Muito Nem sabe do que se passa e ainda deixam comentários só que vive ai pode dizer alguma coisa.

  • i hate anarchist , hippie , skin head .

  • fucking panser

  • Fuck EU

  • Fuck EU og Folketinget

  • Fuck EU, Euro, VKO, S-SF-R

  • Shoot them fuckers c'mon police, step it up a notch lol.

  • lol 9:00 - lad være at fotografer uroerne der kaster med sten! Smart at råbe det op på den måde til journalisterne :P

  • @ikramofir Hahha.. Skyd efter jyderne!!!

  • @fideljensen Host jøderne!

  • de unge er jo blevet sensyge den her film er cool

  • @BuakawPpramuk Var det dig og dit latterlige crew vi jagtede væk fra staden? Hahahaha!

  • Why r police throwing rocks back and why r some of the civilians armed with shields and clubs?

  • @thatkindofguy234 Dont know why the police trowe rocks. They just did. But the civilians with clubs and sheilds took em form the police.

  • Look at the police dropping like flies.

  • haha the police gets fucked!xD

  • KENDER 2 DER BLEV SKUDT,. ACAB FUCK EU

  • DENMARK POLICE STAT!

  • Fuckin uro svin, I skal bare dø!

  • It is pathetic to see people attack the police who represent the same state,which secures the attackers welfare benefits.

  • I dont under stand the riot police a so stupid. They move up and then they fall back which means the people can get thier thrown stones and bricks back! Now thats stupid compared to new zealand riot police they charge at them and attack!

  • Yeah little EU-loving bitch cunts! Real though hiding behind a wall of cops!

  • @BuakawPpramuk Ja, de skal FANDME IKKE REDDE VORES KLIMA!!!!

  • you forget to mention that half of the people injured, were police personel, you mindless fag lover

  • ROFL! Ofc the police arent going to be charged of anything! Get a fucking grip already.. jesus christ, people simply need to learn how to behave decently.fags.

  • we kicked their asses that time! good work lads! sadly they beat us at cop15!

  • @xxxKINGFROGxxx Dude, you are pathetic

  • @lollipopuser why what did i say thats so pathetic?

  • @xxxKINGFROGxxx You kicked their asses? They are people too you know. I have an uncle who happens to be a police officer, because of violent troublemakers like you he can barely use his left leg. Good job!

    What about you stop breaking the law retard, theres a reason why it's there.

    In my opinion they should be allowed to kick ur asses, you knew it was illegal to be there, so get the fuck out. The police is needed elsewhere.

    Pull it together idiot

  • @lollipopuser you are colluding with the enemy! i hope your uncle falls out of his wheelchair and dies!

  • hvorfor fanden kaster politiet igen med de sten ? :S

  • if they cant understand a warning they will have to suffer the consequences.

    I don't feel anything for those troublemakers, they had it coming.

  • @battlemaster116 yeah, the police!

  • @xxxKINGFROGxxx exactly!

  • @battlemaster116 By your logic if I tell you to hand over your house keys and your house to me and you don't do it or try to resist when I try to take them from you, then you had it comming if I shot and kill you for being a "troublemaker". Do the world and Denmark a favor take your 2 IQ points, rub them together and see if you can strike a spark to start a fire, atleast then they won't have been a compleat waste.

  • " send..more...cops" lol

  • der er 0k mange Sårede politimænd O:

  • A.C.A.B.

  • hvad er det det betyder?

  • @battlemaster116 All Cops Are Bastards.

  • wat up wit all those riots in copahagon

  • it would be nice to see a crowd just totally overrun the police for once, but does it happen... no

  • @mogidimogens Happens often

  • Well, when the people say NO, they say NO!!!

  • ACAB!

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  • nanino09

    that can posible be a civil police man.

  • fucking fucktards police.. i mean cmon.. when they are injured that get like EVERYBODY around that man, and have 2-3 man escort them out.. when some civilians get's injured, well to bad for them..

  • around 8:00 i see people throw stones,

    but they don't throw at the police,

    and the police just lets them go ahead..

    Are these civilians fighting on the side of the police??i dont get it

  • They are police...

  • @TVtilt are they shooting them,? well from what i hear by SWAT procedures is if 50% live its a successful mission

  • @TVtilt  i heard it was also police and civilians who helped few hurted police and those other civilians

  • @nanino09 They're just bad at throwing i guess :P

  • @nanino09

    Undercover police used in roits to blend in with the demonstrators. At several documentated events they even agitate the violence and throw things at their collegues and arrest the people doing the same five minutes later.

  • @nanino09 Don't you got cops without uniform?

  • @nanino09 they are undergover police

  • @nanino09

    They are police. It is a normally used tactic from the police. They use civil police to start the violence and agression from the protesters. They look like activists in black participating in the protest, but they are there to start throwing stones and destroy shops. This gives the police excuse to be violent against the protesters and to deliver a certain image to the public.

    Google this and you will find out.

  • @Hazzie54321 You are for sure retarded.

    I really hope you will need the help of the police soon - and that they will refuse to help you!!!

    But sadly the police will always help anyone in need. I sincerely hop you will die of cancer in the most severe pain!

  • @tod3k

    tod3k

    I realize it is hard for you to grasp the possibility of police doing this. But they do, i can testify to this. Even in Denmark today it is a very used tactic. But of course there are also protesters that start riots.

    Why am i retarded? As you can CLEARLY see on this video i speak the truth. So honestly i dont know why you would call me retarded. Here is a link that proves that what im talking about is also true. /watch?v=TbLU9tdDwxo .

  • @tod3k Do you even know why people where furious on this day? Democracy truly failed this day! We voted NO on the bill to enter EU. But the elite would not accept this, so they went for recount of the votes. And BAM! we entered EU. What is EU? It is centralisation of power. Which in short means LESS power you YOU! My friend.

    Have you taken a look at your neighborhood lately? its problably filled to the brim with survalience. Mine is. And why? Honestly. Ask yourself this question and reply to me

  • @Hazzie54321 that is not what happned. First we voted no, then they had us vote again a year later, but that in itself is bad enough. I was very Angrey when I heard there would be a new vote and even more angrey when it turned out as it did, I fully understand why so many people were out on the streets portesting, and I have very little sympathy for any cops who got hurt that day. If I had been a cop I would have refused to be a part of it.

  • look at the idiot on the cops side

  • anwish two see in this riot come two my page i will show u the gate of war

  • 9:05 haha crybaby

  • Det mest sørgelige ved denne episode er at det var den mest berretiget demonstration nogensinde, og så var der nogen af demonstranterne der valgte at tage opmærksomheden væk fra det egentlige formål. Resultatet er, ingen kan huske hvorfor, men alle kan huske de 113 skud!

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  • Att leka polis är också att bryta lagen. Vi får hoppas på hårdhandskarna från den riktiga polisen.

  • Det er faktisk ret skræmmende at se det her fra polities side af linjen. :(

  • lad os alle danse i panser blod :D

  • Kan du huske Benjamin? Det blir dig! police-brutality er lige så slemt som outlaw-anarchy!

  • De er kun mennesker. Efter den omgang sten er det kun forståeligt der bliver sagt et og andet. Hvad med alt det anarkisterne lukker ud om at politiet skal smadres osv. (se de andre videoer). Og så det at de kaster med sten osv. - 115 betjente blev skadet den aften!

  • @BlindZenDriver

    Att det bliver sagt "et och andet" är måske inte problemet. Vad URO patrullen utan att sigtes faktiskt gjorde mot Benjamin är värre? Här hotar personer ur URO med att göra det igen och med lagens goda minne.

  • @BlindZenDriver Hvis 115 betjente kom til skade den aften. Så fortjener dem, der angreb politiet en medalje!

    Længere er den ikke.

  • thats a real fucking riot. Made me laugh :)

  • 4:02 - Kan du huske Benjamin? Det blir' dig du.

  • godt spottet.. det lige en de syntes skal have skylden for et eller andet..

  • retfærdighed for nutidens behandling.

  • lol  eid

  • Wow. Great description of the video... exept for the fact that the danish police havent gotten any extended rights to use force for several decades. Live ammo into a crowd? HA HA! ask any random dane about such occurence and they will have no idea what you are talking about, I sure as hell didnt. The guys with cameras behind the police (you guessed it) THE FRIGGIN PRESS! "Great idea lets shoot at the rioters so we can get pictures from multible angles!". All I saw was bricks and injured police?

  • well hte fact is that they did fire live ammo into a crowd but it was there only choice..so i support there decision...you can here the pops from there guns at 1:25..shortly after a commanding officer yells træk pistolerne

  • Dear Sir!

    In this case you are missinformed. It is live ammo that is fired and at least 11 rioters got injured. A few of them severe. The riots allso got extensive international media coverage for a short while. A film was made about the incident called 113 skud. 113 is the number of shoots that was fired according to the 7 year investigation. No police was indicted. Unfortunatly there is not at lot of info in English on the subject.

    Best Reguards

    NK

  • Nope, not a lot in english, but plenty in danish and lucky for me, i'm pretty darn fluent at danish.

  • Well - then Sir it shouldnt be a problem in finding information on the incident.

  • "extended rights to use force" doesn't mean they wont

  • @Splooshiba

    One too many negations?

  • hahaha :D Fuck the police!

  • BRÆK NAKKEN PÅ DE F U C K I N G PANSERE

  • Fælledvej på Nørrebrogade

  • hold da kæft, hvor er du skarp!

    hvem er du? ville virkeligt gerne møde dig..

  • Let the one with no sin toss the first rock.

    5:10

  • Jeg har ikke sagt noget om hvem der gjorde det kun hvorfor de gjorde det.

  • 9:00 "vi har brug for flere uroer der kaster med sten".

  • Are you stupid? This is 18 may 1993 it has nothing to do with ungdomshuset this is about denmark joining EU

  • Osten kaster brosten ..

  • lol julemanden det her er ikke ungdomshuset... det her er om at danmark kommer ind i eu... tard

  • Der er ikke nogen betjente, der bliver fyret pga det. Det er meget sjældent at der bliver gjort noget juristisk mod betjente.

  • some of the things still runing under the loop if you can say it on that way ... but i dont thing there will come anything out of it

  • Lazy communists!!!!!

    :-i

  • øhh, den er jo væk!

  • haha fucking panser svin ungeren blir! i er stadig ikke tilgivet

  • is that 2 police officers that are throwing rocks at the prople in 5:32?

  • police everywhere are just stupid, doing what you are told is stupid and results in this...

  • They are trying to force us vote yes by having a second referendum.

  • rip benjamin

  • Democracy is gone from the E.U the Irish voted no to the Lisbon treaty and we have to vote again, im hopeing serios riots break out across Ireland when they try force us vote yes

  • MOB 4 LIFE

  • what started it did they run out of carlsberg or something

  • Danish police is typical nazist police, it is because in their opinion is ruling nazist ideology!

    Very ignorant police.., if they accuse a person for doing a crime, even there is no evidence about it, the danish police with all meanings will charge him/her they want to be the winner, and abuse the accused one, even by lave and put in prison, and no excuse about it, no way coming out innocent, unless you have couple of witnesses to work for it!

    Corrupt police throwing stones!

  • a4ewer u really dont know what ur talking bout. to be honest. stay in belgium and stfu

  • If I don't know wot i'em talking about than..., how did my opinion reflect on you???

    Are you one of this bastards..., because i can see, you are so much interested of checking my profile and other stuff,but you want get much at all!

    Skrid dit lort!

  • Who are those behind the cops throwing back? Are they cops to?

    ACAB

  • probably some faschist scum

  • They are the "plain clothes police command" referred to in the info.

    Danish police often infiltrate demonstrations with plain clothed policeofficers.

  • they are junky caps!

  • VAR DET DET VÆRD???

    HÅBER DE SKIDE PANSERSVIN FÅR AMBOTERET DERES BEN!!!

    staden forever 0 0 0

  • Hej, få en uddannelse, lær og stav og deltag så i en debatten. Du gør dig selv til skamme og det piner mig at læse din tekst, din åndsforladte retard.

  • @viggom8N

    vem, vad, hur och varför?

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  • @viggom8N NØRD hilsen Jylland

  • @viggom8N Du er da vist en NØRD hillsen Jylland

  • Kan du huske Benjamin?, det kunne være dig du, usmageligt, selv af en politimand under pres.

  • siger skyd efter benene dig noget.. du skal vist have læst op på noget

  • lol ups, i thought this was from 2005

  • the cops were NOT armed with deadly force that night!

    Sticks and tear gas were the only thing they used, no one used guns!

  • If you look hard enought you will see that they used guns.

    My dad were a cop at that time -They used guns.

    theres evidence. and if you listen they say:" Shoot after the legs"

  • yes i am aware of that, i just thought is was from may 1st 2005

  • ALL PIGS MUST DIE

  • hahaha..patethic police fuckers...i`ll fucking stoned them to death

  • 21 policemen injured and one innocent bystander shot in the jaw! GO DANISH RIOT POLICCE!! :/

  • What about the frightened people (inc children) living in the neighbourhoods, the working class who will have to pay for the damages, and the police officers doing their job to uphold and restore the peace.

    You forget, these riots only portray your country as a dysfunctional nation and youll achieve nothing by doing this apart from giving the national leader Justification to open fire and kill in the name of politics.

  • u say :the police officers doing their job to uphold and restore the peace.

    why is it then that after 7:30 u see the police that is in undercover "casual clothes" trowing stones back at the people that are rioting???

    then u say this :You forget, these riots only portray your country as a dysfunctional nation and youll achieve nothing .....

    so u say now that "the police" is dysfunctional....

    so they are making the problems worse by doing so and then having a excuse to open fire and kill....

  • In that case there is no argument that the officer in question should be subject to disciplinary proceedings.

    Nevertheless, that doesnt change the fact that the majority of the lawlessness is being caused by the civilians who themselves are clearly causing most of the problems.

  • not the nation, its these goth, assholes that thinks that they should keep a stoolen house, police is doing their work, and doing it damn fine.,

  • How can u steal a house ???

    u have a bag thats big enough .... lol

    no worries i know what u mean ,it doesnt matter if they are gothic or black or yellow .. i would say police are assholes but thats a personal opinion i didnt know they wer trained for throwing stones back at the people they serve so i cant see the good part of their work just getting good pictures in newspapers .....

    love 2 all

  • du er godt nok dårlig til engelsk.

    ud over det, så lad mig fortælle dig et par ting:

    1) at bruge definitionen "goth" om ungdomshusets brugere er helt forkert. Det er bare blevet almindeligt omtale dem sådan.

    2) Ungdomshuset er ikke et stjålet hus. Det var et hus, de fik overladt af Københavns Kommune tilbage i 80'erne.

    3) sig mig så, hvis du fik en rigtig dejlig gave her til jul, hvordan ville du så have det med, at den blev taget fra dig igen?

  • I agree with the police.

    Anyone found displaying disorderly conduct in public, threatening life, or damaging property in time of multitude dysfunctions should, if negotiations are not possible, use live ammunition to brake the crowd and restore law and order.

  • live ammunition in guns that they would use (automatic or semiautomatic) prove very unacurate meaning that if they shot at anyone there is a large possibility that others could be hit/killed. and if they shot in the air there could be damages of object or life because what goes up... must come down

  • I dont disagree, nonetheless, I dont see any 'peaceful demonstrators' here and would therefore believe that in order to restore law and order police should have considered using firearms (if the didnt in the end anyway).

  • jeg holder 85 procens med politied den aften men der er squ nogle rådene æbler imellem

    bla ham der siger kan du huske benjamin

    DEN ER LAV

    men det er godt at politiet har lærdt fra den aften og ikke har været så aggrasiv efter det

    og de autonome har desvære ikke lærdt en skid

    ps undskyld stave fejl

  • Skal vi ikke antage at i de lovlige og fredelige demonstrationer var der et par civile betjente der kastede de første sten.. bare for at få lidt fest i gaden.. De skal jo heller ikke overholde maskeringsforbudet.. held og lykke med et nyt hus :)

  • Long live denmark!

    I support you 100%!

  • 1MacCrack1 - navnet siger lidt om dig

    Så du prøver at sige at de hellere skulle skyde dem? synes jeg sku er en fin idé

  • Hvorfor kaster politiet selv med sten og skyder folk? Jeg troede de var der for at "Protect and serve"... Selvom folk går lidt amok i gaden skal de sgu da ikke selv begynde at kaste med sten efter folk IKKE HAR SAMME FORM FOR BESKYTTELSE SOM DE SELV HAR!!

  • Det var da den mest latterlige logik jeg længe har hørt... Det er iorden at kaste sten efter politiet fordi de har hjelme og skjold ? du skulle selv prøve at stå i den modtagene ende af en flyvende brosten, så synes du ikke det er iorden mere.

  • Det er da en fin logik. For det første er civil ulydighed noget der altid vil være i et samfund, for det andet så er det grovt brud på deres eget regelværk at de skal svare igen med sten, når de har tåregas til at pacifisere folk. De har masse beskyttelse, pistoler, patroner og biler, så hvorfor kaste med sten tilbage?

  • det proevede demonstranterne oejensynligt osse...men med din logik kan jeg jo med ro i sindet og god samvittighed hive min deagle frem og lave kraniepiercinger i politiets hoveder hvis politiet traekker deres skydevaaben (hvilket de vist gjorde her)...

  • Each Cop can choose to step down and stand next to his brothers and sisters and fight for what is right, They are just as responsible for this mess as the powers that be.

    What will you say when they come for us? they are doing there job...They are programed like a computer, Why did they trade in there reason?

  • most def! an assassin is also just doing her/his job. so is a heroin dealer. and an executioner. and a torturer (if thats what its called) sometimes these individuals have a plausible job alternative. sometimes not. the police (more often than the other professionals mentioned) have a choice, a plausible alternative profession.