Weird. I used to go into that bookstore in the mid '80s, and it doesn't look much different in this film from the '60s. It's amazing Cassidy lived as long as he did, considering his lifestyle.
It looks like Neal felt uncomfortable in that setting, which might explain his behaviour and speech. I would have loved to have seen the true essence of the man like Allen and Kerouac did.
I watched this a number of times and have to laugh at Neil Cassady. He certainly could string some words together. They may have been unconnected and fractured but it's quite entertaining. He's doesn't seem in a very good mood though.
@Avenged747 You're absolutely right. They're entertaining and they write good books, but they're basically losers who couldn't cope with post WW2 society so they got high and 'dropped out.' None of them actually accomplished anything.
@jhop9898 You probably have a twisted view of success and accomplishments. Neal was a hell of a guy. As one ginsberg. You most likely define success as doing everything society asks/tells you to do.
@hitsfromthebong557 I define success as having real-world skills & knowledge. Doctors, engineers, and pilots are successful people. They're the reason poets aren't living in caves and writing with charcoal. Society lauds actors and football players, which is just a ridiculous as the art community lauding queer unemployed poets.
@jhop9898 I define success as achieving your personal dreams and being happy. If you do what you feel you must, your successful. No matter what occupation you engage in.
@jhop9898 but isnt it a brilliant idea? the fact that our society can support us to such an extent. that we can spend our time thinking and writing. to say a poet cannot be successful is almost as blind and ignorant as saying a philosopher cannot be successful. in fact it almost is what you're saying!
@imhemaster What if two philosophers come to opposite conclusions on an issue? Then a third one decides there is no right answer. How can you call that progress? Society supports the humanities because they are good entertainment, not because they yield results.
@jhop9898 We have come to opposite conclusions, and neither of us are right!
what if 2 doctors come to opposite conclusions on the best way to cure a patient, then a third one decides there is no right answer as neither is better than the other? It is progress because we now have 2 ideas, 2 thoughts, 2 options.
Putting every poet, writer, linguist, lawyer, philosopher, historian, musician and filmmaker into the same boat, just because they can't all sail a boat is a very sad thing to do.
@jhop9898 Isn't that how any debate on any kind usually ends? Debating is not about convincing your opponent that you're right. It's about ventilating your own thoughts to someone who doesn't listen but only waits for the silence indicating it's his time to talk.
@jhop9898 Sorry your worldview is so skewed. Discrediting the arts and philosophical thought only shows just how ignorant you are. Being a cog of society makes you no more special than the next drone. Glad to see society is doing it's job though, keeping you under the illusion of self worth. You obviously know nothing of existentialist thought or spiritual matters. Have fun with that paradigm..
@hitsfromthebong557 Ok then. Go ahread and ignore reality. Your own opinion is some kind of universal truth. Btw, you better get rid of your computer, since electronics is just ignorant materialism.
@jhop9898 You talk as if there is an objective "reality". Your problem is you haven't realized that there is no separation between the subjective and objective. Thus the failure of materialist science. This is where our conversation ends
And what exactly keeps you from being a cog, drone, whatever you want to call it? What isolates you so far outside of the constraints of society? Don't argue it, because your argument will be self righteous and idiotic, just think about it. What have you done that is so important? how have you not played some role in a system? How has society not shaped you?
@ChrisGnosis The thought separates me. As it did Ginsberg. You don't understand what i'm saying, and you're not trying either. Two different paradigms trying to communicate, doesn't work. But you're right man, and i'm completely wrong. Move along
Also, so you know, in this whole "success" discussion I agree with you, I'm just saying that by existing inside of a society we are part of a society and ergo shaped by a society. Any philosopher, thinker, writer, artist, to thinks that they are somehow above being associated with society is arrogant and delusional. That being said you have to first evaluate how you conceptualize "society."
@hitsfromthebong557 "Two different paradigms trying to communicate, doesn't work." Is communication not all that different paradigms do? Everyone, you and I included, would like other people to think like them, understand their concepts, or at least see their point of view. The only way to achieve this is through communication; there wouldn't be a whole lot to say to each other if we all subscribed to the same paradigms.
@muskyassh0le I understand what you mean, but there is simply no understanding between the two. There can be communication, but no integration or anything close.
This was after Neal's excursion with Kesey through the thick of the states. This is after the LSD had been rooted. This is something that Ginsberg won't dig for another few years.
Thank God i am able to travel in time and see these guys alive in 65,66 than come back and see them on youtube,next time i will try to appear behind this library
@Alenthas OH SHIT,i was jerking off right there!The guy with the fake mustache!Man,i did not know the books woud cover it!I said to cassady,"avoid railways",but i dont think he listened!!!Damn
Neal sounds like an acid head, but Im not disappointed, thats what I expected. Maybe the world needs a few acid heads. No normal person could decipher what the hell he is talking about, though I guess Ginsberg could make some sense of it.
@TheMerlinOfAR The only reason Ginsberg might conceivably tease some sense out of him is because they're bedmates. Otherwise, I think you're spot-on...just what the hell is this mangy (and obviously high) vagabond slurring on about? What did Cassady ever DO? Except time...
@myena33 Well, this about the time of his decline. What did he do? Well, he inspired a number of great books and poems by great writers that still have resonance today. He was a muse for a generation of brilliant artists.
It's so much fun to see the two of them doing what they do. Neal has trouble articulating his ideas,but he is very intelligent. He just leaps into his beliefs without explaining. Which is why he seems scattered. He was very much into Edgar Cayce and "the forms" he keeps talking about are Cayce's "thought forms". There seems a little push/pull between them.. I love listening to this. Ginsy is Socratic and Neal is shamanic, don't think too much, just sit back and enjoy the jazz !!!!
This is awkward - Who are the dudes in the back just standing there to eavesdrop?? - It's not a normal setting. It's a forced conversation, and they are obviously overly aware and conscious of the fact that they are being filmed - Very odd setting -
@spaceheadsam - I have always heard what a complex genius he is - After hearing him speak in several of these clips, he's kind of lost his mystique as far as I am concerned - He's just a dope head than never stop talking. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed -
@Cabinator you're probably right. I looked up John 15 -- and it had stuff about God prunning the vine and about how belief will give you joy and let you bear "fruit" -- but it's plain creepy that Cassady can take these vague images as justification for the looming bloodbath he predicts from the war and from "that civil rights mess."
If that's 8th dimensional thinking, I'd rather be a square.
Probably "dopehead" is the kindest way to see him.
@spaceheadsam most who are spaced out from whatever chemical they take will sound like deep thinkers at regular intervals. over many decades it seems to me that most of them turn out to be sad and lost eventually.it's a shame because it's obvious that intelligence exists in most of the people like neil but they just seem to derail at some point.
I love reading about these guys - but I can't help thinking they just seem like a bunch of losers. Better to be together in your mind, than wildly expressive and mad, I think.
And that´s it, Pentagon undertook all major political operations, as in that time, oversized it´s influence and apparatus (with MkUltra project, HAARP), and now does a lot of screw up in a bigger scale. Earthquakes are the major next weaponery. Listen to me, HAARP is the new army deal.
@jack19790 HEY! I'm an American and I don't give a fuck about their sexuality! Don't lump us all, dude! Ya wouldn't want someone to do that to you and your countrymen. would ya?
basically neal is arguing that everything ginsberg is fighting against (the structure of the nation in it's social, political ways etc) has already been 'formed'. Basically, people have already decided what has been formed and theres no point wasting time arguing against the things that form, and instead you should enjoy the ride.
he's got a good point, does neal. A marxist revolution is unlikely to happen, and occupying your mind with frustration about the social system will only drive you crazy. You may aswell have a good time in one respect.
I haven't read The Brothers Karamazov at this point although i know enough about the main characters to understand their differences. I'm just curious, who are you comparing to whom here?
Why is it odd? It wasn't a topic written about openly- even by the vanguard. It is "alluded to" and readers at the time may have got it. Even characters that were "obviously gay" were not "labeled" so outright by J.K. He wrote "On the Road" (early 50's) was younger and getting a handle on his friends sexuality. Ginsberg wasn't comfortably "out" till the late 50's. AG /NC had a relationship. Anne Charters definitive biographer of Kerouac cites it from many people, mostly Ginsberg himself.
Earlier in their lives Neil Cassady and Allen Ginsberg most certainly DID have a homosexual relationship. They would stay up for days with each other - on drugs sometimes - sharing philosophy and occasionally rolling in the sack. Neil was in jail a few times and this was not taboo stuff to him. It's been covered extensively in Jack Kerouac's journals, many biographies, and alluded to in books. Yes - he went both ways. Though women were his true passion.
kerouac didnt go "both ways", ginsberg said in an interview that he was the only one in the beat circle who was completely straight and didnt mix it up.
Ginsberg tries in vain to communicate with Cassady, who can only monologue. As far as what Neal is trying to say about the forms and life going where the forms are, it sounds like a very high person paraphrasing philosophy not very clearly. Poor Allen was smitten--if only Neal hadn't been cute!
Absolutly, Cassidy was an intellectual desert and use to waffle on about nothing. He was a two bit con and prostitute who was at the right time and the right place. Cassidy looks uneasy because he is not in his natural environement this looks like a university library surrounded by academics and he knows he is out of place.
:19 you can tell neil is playing a prank because allen mutters not mumbles but mutters after he gives his reaction. He clearly says "now theres a prank"
'Just enjoy it' three wonderful words on life, as life itself is the true happiness did we but know it! The joy of life, this one life so precious inwardly appreciated and outwardly presented dismantles all external control, diminishes the hurt of parochial self-interest. Just enjoy it! In time we will.given change we have to.
The foil; metaphorically meant as in rapier, scimitar, cleaver, the sword Cassady cutting to the chase. The beauty being however, no blood is actually spilled or intended between these two obvious friends and kindred spirits, hence the laughter from Ginsberg at the end a true sign of intellectual parlance. It's Jaw, jaw not war, war!
Very best wishes and a Happy New Year to you and yours!
To understand this term in literature: Imagine the hero, or protagonist. Then imagine the antihero, sometimes the antagonist, sometimes the confidant.... The foil.
there seems to be a bit of tension between the 2 here. slightly mocking from ginsberg, turning away from cassady and laughing. then cassady gives a look of pure derision at the end. interesting interesting
"Everybody has forms and if everythings known and the forms are changing then theres no life in the forms. Life goes where the new forms are."-- is that what Neal said?
Neal was never known to be an intelectual. kerouac and the others just admired him for his naturaly freewheeling ways. Ginsburg probably just thought he was hot,and Neal just soaked up the admiration. fatherless child
Anybody else get the sense of a little animosity on Neal's part? Like when he says the part about people who might as well be dead he shoots Ginsy a stare, and when Ginsberg is talking he looks away disinterestedly. I could be imagining things.
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I can't believe that these men have been revered by the most intelligent minds, they seem like a couple of high college students talking about stuff they kno nothing about--yet there is something about them which draws you in, tells you there is more to this than just mindless ramble...extraordinary.
I know, they are so intelligent, they aren't "pretentious intellectuals" who flaunt it, and try to make themselves look grand, they just say it and express it as it is.
I dare to say that Cassidy's inteligence was not in a Academical profile, but in more of a practical, and emotinal profile. Like a street smart, he knew about people, and not "Academical Theories"
looking back upon all the scandals that ever since happened, neal seems simply a realistic man with his head in its right place - a sceptic and not one of " them babies" - as jim morrison called the woodstock visitors
Cassady cuts to the very quick in abrasive, fabulously expresive shoot to the heart of the matter. Gindsberg despite best try yet seen, in poetic alingment is in hindsight hung and wobbles in his inner heart for telling so. Cassady rapiers it all, kebab like; the pentagon has it all under control. 'Just enjoy it!' - what a wonderful line, given time and application! This guy knew and both suffered from where it was and remains sincerely at!
ginsberg is the kind of person who should be revered. He's not the typical icon, who talks over people in grand, self-absorbed fashion. instead, in a wonderful, child-like manor he encourages neal to critique and share his ideas. he makes a genuine effort to understand.
ginsberg is the kind of person who should be revered. He's not the typical icon, who talks over people in grand, self-absorbed fashion. instead, in a wonderful, child-like manor he encourages neal to critique and share his ideas. he makes a genuine effort to understand.
Youtube use to have some good shit..now they are fucking everything up-once i saw an entire documentary on Kerouac called "King of the beats" now there is nothing!
I take it you mean the drug (speed). Maybe, but I doubt it, I think he's just talking, having a conversation, voicing ideas and thoughts... thoughts can be like a spool of string, the more you pull on them the faster they unwind. you can get caught up in it...
allen and neal had a long affair that lasted nearly twenty years or so. they were both gay, of course, and ginsberg describes it as one of his biggest loves of his life, most sexually passionate, most emotionally turbulent.
my source is from an interview of ginsberg for BBC. the one which he sings father death blues at the end. awesome interview if you can find it all together.
NC wasn't gay. He much prefered the relationships and the sex he had with women. He was addicted to women. But him being Neal Cassady, he would be whatever a person wanted him to be. In Ginsbergs case a gay lover.
Of course they did, although whether they had a "relationship" or just "made it a few times" depends on how you look at it. But for sure they slept together now and then
Ginsberg has been important to beings like me and you. I have so many free and strange desires that now can be realized. Cadaver-Carnal-Knowledge can be a very great source of light, power, and pleasure. I know that he dreamed about it too, and may have tried it. When I am no more, I want another to enjoy me the same way. It is the cycle of life & sodomy in death. It may seem morbid to you, but please dont judge me. I would never hurt anyone. Ginsberg liberated us from Prospero.
ginsberg wasn't much and neal was right. he's writing in hindsight about things that were decided then that are happening now. create new forms. stay a step ahead.
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So - finally, after all these years- it turns out that THIS is the prick who was "at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"...? he's nothin special.
That's because you have neither the eyes or the spirit to see his radiant rebellious soul aware and ready to conquer the world. But I hope one day you will awake, not to find a way or a path but just to...... LIVE!!!!
Weird. I used to go into that bookstore in the mid '80s, and it doesn't look much different in this film from the '60s. It's amazing Cassidy lived as long as he did, considering his lifestyle.
TheForwardGaze 1 month ago
the girl on the right is Anne Murphy, Neal's gal pal
FJTiernan 1 month ago
It looks like Neal felt uncomfortable in that setting, which might explain his behaviour and speech. I would have loved to have seen the true essence of the man like Allen and Kerouac did.
Charlesmm88 2 months ago
speed freak
420ManBong 3 months ago
if cassady aint the freakiest guy ever i dont know who is
flakbac 5 months ago
he reminds me of bob dylan the way he talks.
MichaelBallack91 5 months ago
ginsberg says in this video "Thats the whole point; no one knows whos running the country anymore."
the jfk assassination threw this country for a loop. believe it. after that, the deluge......
majorhoop 5 months ago
Whos the girl on the right next to Kerouac?
chanctonbury63 6 months ago
@chanctonbury63 theres no jack in this clip
fivealive2 6 months ago
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chanctonbury63 6 months ago
@chanctonbury63 kerouac isnt here
trynabcool 3 months ago
@trynabcool You are right. Ive bought some glasses since that post!
chanctonbury63 3 months ago
@chanctonbury63 haha
trynabcool 3 months ago
"Everytime I cum on my hand, I think of Neal's dead body." -Allen Ginsberg
fxr1 6 months ago
are they upstairs or downstairs at city lights?
wonderful post thank you so much man for letting me see 2 people dear. you got like the only clip on cassady on you tube. wonderful
ricfl10137 6 months ago
Carlo Marx and Dean Moriarty in the flesh.Splendid.
PeasGraveny 6 months ago
These guys are wonderful!!! Greetings from San Francisco...
mushroomagical 7 months ago
subtitles please!
manuelrosso10 8 months ago
just enjoy it
flashdaddyG 9 months ago
just enjoy it!
flashdaddyG 9 months ago
just enjoy it!
flashdaddyG 9 months ago
Oh my god!! Neal is EXACTLY how I imagined him! O.O
Alenthas 9 months ago
I watched this a number of times and have to laugh at Neil Cassady. He certainly could string some words together. They may have been unconnected and fractured but it's quite entertaining. He's doesn't seem in a very good mood though.
"Just - enjoy it" lol
sleakitweasel 11 months ago 4
i love literature and on the road blah blah.......but PLEASE someone please agree with me when i say they are full of shit!!!
Avenged747 11 months ago
@Avenged747 You're absolutely right. They're entertaining and they write good books, but they're basically losers who couldn't cope with post WW2 society so they got high and 'dropped out.' None of them actually accomplished anything.
jhop9898 9 months ago
@jhop9898 You probably have a twisted view of success and accomplishments. Neal was a hell of a guy. As one ginsberg. You most likely define success as doing everything society asks/tells you to do.
hitsfromthebong557 9 months ago
@hitsfromthebong557 I define success as having real-world skills & knowledge. Doctors, engineers, and pilots are successful people. They're the reason poets aren't living in caves and writing with charcoal. Society lauds actors and football players, which is just a ridiculous as the art community lauding queer unemployed poets.
jhop9898 9 months ago
@jhop9898 I define success as achieving your personal dreams and being happy. If you do what you feel you must, your successful. No matter what occupation you engage in.
whitekidandamexican 8 months ago
@jhop9898 but isnt it a brilliant idea? the fact that our society can support us to such an extent. that we can spend our time thinking and writing. to say a poet cannot be successful is almost as blind and ignorant as saying a philosopher cannot be successful. in fact it almost is what you're saying!
imhemaster 8 months ago
@imhemaster What if two philosophers come to opposite conclusions on an issue? Then a third one decides there is no right answer. How can you call that progress? Society supports the humanities because they are good entertainment, not because they yield results.
jhop9898 7 months ago
@jhop9898 We have come to opposite conclusions, and neither of us are right!
what if 2 doctors come to opposite conclusions on the best way to cure a patient, then a third one decides there is no right answer as neither is better than the other? It is progress because we now have 2 ideas, 2 thoughts, 2 options.
Putting every poet, writer, linguist, lawyer, philosopher, historian, musician and filmmaker into the same boat, just because they can't all sail a boat is a very sad thing to do.
imhemaster 7 months ago
@jhop9898 Isn't that how any debate on any kind usually ends? Debating is not about convincing your opponent that you're right. It's about ventilating your own thoughts to someone who doesn't listen but only waits for the silence indicating it's his time to talk.
cemalson 7 months ago
@cemalson It frequently is, although it can be a real exchange of ideas. Of course a philosophical debate is just an argument based on opinions.
jhop9898 7 months ago
@jhop9898 Sorry your worldview is so skewed. Discrediting the arts and philosophical thought only shows just how ignorant you are. Being a cog of society makes you no more special than the next drone. Glad to see society is doing it's job though, keeping you under the illusion of self worth. You obviously know nothing of existentialist thought or spiritual matters. Have fun with that paradigm..
hitsfromthebong557 7 months ago
@hitsfromthebong557 Ok then. Go ahread and ignore reality. Your own opinion is some kind of universal truth. Btw, you better get rid of your computer, since electronics is just ignorant materialism.
jhop9898 7 months ago
@jhop9898 You talk as if there is an objective "reality". Your problem is you haven't realized that there is no separation between the subjective and objective. Thus the failure of materialist science. This is where our conversation ends
hitsfromthebong557 7 months ago
@hitsfromthebong557
And what exactly keeps you from being a cog, drone, whatever you want to call it? What isolates you so far outside of the constraints of society? Don't argue it, because your argument will be self righteous and idiotic, just think about it. What have you done that is so important? how have you not played some role in a system? How has society not shaped you?
ChrisGnosis 6 months ago
@ChrisGnosis The thought separates me. As it did Ginsberg. You don't understand what i'm saying, and you're not trying either. Two different paradigms trying to communicate, doesn't work. But you're right man, and i'm completely wrong. Move along
hitsfromthebong557 6 months ago
@hitsfromthebong557
It seems like you've been using "paradigms" as an excuse not to explain yourself.
ChrisGnosis 6 months ago
@hitsfromthebong557
Also, so you know, in this whole "success" discussion I agree with you, I'm just saying that by existing inside of a society we are part of a society and ergo shaped by a society. Any philosopher, thinker, writer, artist, to thinks that they are somehow above being associated with society is arrogant and delusional. That being said you have to first evaluate how you conceptualize "society."
ChrisGnosis 6 months ago
@ChrisGnosis That's a given, but just because i'm a part of it or originated from it doesn't mean that I subscribe to the same thought forms.
hitsfromthebong557 6 months ago
@hitsfromthebong557 "Two different paradigms trying to communicate, doesn't work." Is communication not all that different paradigms do? Everyone, you and I included, would like other people to think like them, understand their concepts, or at least see their point of view. The only way to achieve this is through communication; there wouldn't be a whole lot to say to each other if we all subscribed to the same paradigms.
muskyassh0le 6 months ago
@muskyassh0le I understand what you mean, but there is simply no understanding between the two. There can be communication, but no integration or anything close.
hitsfromthebong557 6 months ago
the phone rings when he says the earths gonna tip a little bit
MRBORGHEAD 11 months ago
Cassidy, the original speed freak drunk car thief punk hustler saint who inspired Kerouac & Ginsberg to pick up a pen. Carpe Diem! Blessings.
verbaud 11 months ago
he's speedin
420Honey 1 year ago
This was after Neal's excursion with Kesey through the thick of the states. This is after the LSD had been rooted. This is something that Ginsberg won't dig for another few years.
wardb20 1 year ago
Thank God i am able to travel in time and see these guys alive in 65,66 than come back and see them on youtube,next time i will try to appear behind this library
GabrielDhalaman2 1 year ago
@GabrielDhalaman2 try to do something weird so we can tell its you :D
Alenthas 9 months ago
@Alenthas OH SHIT,i was jerking off right there!The guy with the fake mustache!Man,i did not know the books woud cover it!I said to cassady,"avoid railways",but i dont think he listened!!!Damn
GabrielDhalaman2 9 months ago
@GabrielDhalaman2 sweet stash bro, you should consider growing real one just like that for the lulz
Alenthas 9 months ago
Something utterly repulsive about Ginsberg- I feel like beating him up and stealing his lunch money. I think that is exactly what Cassady did.
infoanalysis 1 year ago
@infoanalysis well, after he's been with Ginsberg for 20 years that is :P
Alenthas 9 months ago
Love this vid, thanks!
10101MB 1 year ago
see: Os velhos da montanha
osvelhos 1 year ago
Neal makes perfect sense, if you can't understand it then you are probably one of the people he's talking about.
stgraham715 1 year ago 3
@stgraham715 even when he says there is no life in old so he keeps moving to find life.intentionally
NonRider 1 year ago
Neal sounds like an acid head, but Im not disappointed, thats what I expected. Maybe the world needs a few acid heads. No normal person could decipher what the hell he is talking about, though I guess Ginsberg could make some sense of it.
TheMerlinOfAR 1 year ago
@TheMerlinOfAR The only reason Ginsberg might conceivably tease some sense out of him is because they're bedmates. Otherwise, I think you're spot-on...just what the hell is this mangy (and obviously high) vagabond slurring on about? What did Cassady ever DO? Except time...
myena33 1 year ago
@myena33 ah he might have shot a girl?
NonRider 1 year ago
@myena33 Well, this about the time of his decline. What did he do? Well, he inspired a number of great books and poems by great writers that still have resonance today. He was a muse for a generation of brilliant artists.
Davidbensonxyz 1 year ago
@myena33 - Neil Cassady had a panoramic view.
gamoonbat 11 months ago
I don't like Neal. Never liked him. There is something of false on this face and his movements.
BrigondaX 1 year ago
@BrigondaX thats Thats how amphetamines make you act.
SeaHorseGypsy 1 year ago
so anyone know whos runnin the country now??WELL ENJOY IT!
MrDUDEMAN76 1 year ago
It's so much fun to see the two of them doing what they do. Neal has trouble articulating his ideas,but he is very intelligent. He just leaps into his beliefs without explaining. Which is why he seems scattered. He was very much into Edgar Cayce and "the forms" he keeps talking about are Cayce's "thought forms". There seems a little push/pull between them.. I love listening to this. Ginsy is Socratic and Neal is shamanic, don't think too much, just sit back and enjoy the jazz !!!!
pacific1814 1 year ago 33
@pacific1814 Nice comment...jazz...a basic melodic theme and the riffs...thanks.
ClueSign 1 year ago
Brilliant and classic clip. Thanks for posting.
theelevan1 1 year ago
This is awkward - Who are the dudes in the back just standing there to eavesdrop?? - It's not a normal setting. It's a forced conversation, and they are obviously overly aware and conscious of the fact that they are being filmed - Very odd setting -
Cabinator 1 year ago
@Cabinator they are at a reading in book store, those peopl came to hear them read and talk about their work...
mrhumanbeeing 1 year ago
Ginsberg once said Cassady is an exception who speaks on 8 levels at the same time.
Cassady sounds to be breaking into gibberish, or talking out of a dream -- maybe he's speeding in 8th gear. Either way, he's facinating.
At the same time his body language and hip style make me smile reminding me of Krammer from Sienfeld. I can see why Keraouc called him "holy goof."
spaceheadsam 1 year ago
@spaceheadsam - I have always heard what a complex genius he is - After hearing him speak in several of these clips, he's kind of lost his mystique as far as I am concerned - He's just a dope head than never stop talking. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed -
Cabinator 1 year ago
@Cabinator you're probably right. I looked up John 15 -- and it had stuff about God prunning the vine and about how belief will give you joy and let you bear "fruit" -- but it's plain creepy that Cassady can take these vague images as justification for the looming bloodbath he predicts from the war and from "that civil rights mess."
If that's 8th dimensional thinking, I'd rather be a square.
Probably "dopehead" is the kindest way to see him.
spaceheadsam 1 year ago
@spaceheadsam VERY SMART DOPEHEAD CUZ HE WAS RITE!THIS IS THE WAY IT IS NOW!
MrDUDEMAN76 1 year ago
@spaceheadsam most who are spaced out from whatever chemical they take will sound like deep thinkers at regular intervals. over many decades it seems to me that most of them turn out to be sad and lost eventually.it's a shame because it's obvious that intelligence exists in most of the people like neil but they just seem to derail at some point.
jr55ful 1 year ago
no more classical antiquity. no more hobos.
AhYaOk 1 year ago
man he is exciting
WalmartXXX 1 year ago
you are a philistine jack19790 these are the people who shaped modern thinking, go back to your tv dinner!
etreimage 1 year ago
I love reading about these guys - but I can't help thinking they just seem like a bunch of losers. Better to be together in your mind, than wildly expressive and mad, I think.
rubsley 1 year ago
And that´s it, Pentagon undertook all major political operations, as in that time, oversized it´s influence and apparatus (with MkUltra project, HAARP), and now does a lot of screw up in a bigger scale. Earthquakes are the major next weaponery. Listen to me, HAARP is the new army deal.
TubeSpoker 1 year ago
bit too much acid - talking absolute shit
swisscottagelondon 1 year ago
I want to be a hobo
LAMF1968 2 years ago
Great to see thoses hobos!
frenchflush 2 years ago 3
Who gives a flying fuck about about their sexuality???? Fucking Americans and their queer issues.
jack19790 2 years ago 69
@jack19790 HEY! I'm an American and I don't give a fuck about their sexuality! Don't lump us all, dude! Ya wouldn't want someone to do that to you and your countrymen. would ya?
ksb78 10 months ago
@ksb78 People do it to everyone. There are stereotypes for everything. Without stereotypes the human mind wouldn't be able to function correctly.
StrawberryJungle 9 months ago
@jack19790 youve obviously never been to America. you ignorant FUCK. Keep trying to be us.
52appaZ 9 months ago
can someone tell me what they were on about
cdylan 2 years ago
Neal was a rapper, a circus sideshow hawker. He talked enough nonsense that eventually people began to hear truth there.
gamoonbat 2 years ago
basically neal is arguing that everything ginsberg is fighting against (the structure of the nation in it's social, political ways etc) has already been 'formed'. Basically, people have already decided what has been formed and theres no point wasting time arguing against the things that form, and instead you should enjoy the ride.
juce101 2 years ago 9
he's got a good point, does neal. A marxist revolution is unlikely to happen, and occupying your mind with frustration about the social system will only drive you crazy. You may aswell have a good time in one respect.
cdylan 2 years ago
@juce101 beautifully and eloquently put.
CountThrillhammer 1 year ago
Well, this is what you invariably get . . . when two of the Karamazov brothers show up without the third (Kerouac).
Personally . . . I can't take Ivan as we see him here -- makes me gag. If I had to choose between just these two -- give me Dmitri every time.
But that's neither here nor there -- just a personal inclination.
The bigger point is that . . . anything less than all THREE of them together . . . is always going to be a travesty of Life's possibilities.
greenrate 2 years ago
I haven't read The Brothers Karamazov at this point although i know enough about the main characters to understand their differences. I'm just curious, who are you comparing to whom here?
narfernarfnarf 2 years ago
Why is it odd? It wasn't a topic written about openly- even by the vanguard. It is "alluded to" and readers at the time may have got it. Even characters that were "obviously gay" were not "labeled" so outright by J.K. He wrote "On the Road" (early 50's) was younger and getting a handle on his friends sexuality. Ginsberg wasn't comfortably "out" till the late 50's. AG /NC had a relationship. Anne Charters definitive biographer of Kerouac cites it from many people, mostly Ginsberg himself.
myradioon 2 years ago
Earlier in their lives Neil Cassady and Allen Ginsberg most certainly DID have a homosexual relationship. They would stay up for days with each other - on drugs sometimes - sharing philosophy and occasionally rolling in the sack. Neil was in jail a few times and this was not taboo stuff to him. It's been covered extensively in Jack Kerouac's journals, many biographies, and alluded to in books. Yes - he went both ways. Though women were his true passion.
myradioon 2 years ago
Huh, it's kind of odd that he never mentioned the homosexual section of their relationship in On The Road.
SierraPapaFoxtrot 2 years ago
kerouac didnt go "both ways", ginsberg said in an interview that he was the only one in the beat circle who was completely straight and didnt mix it up.
dbfkjmatt 2 years ago
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myradioon 2 years ago
Yeah, Jack was "straight"- but not the only straight beat - Gregory Corso was too. I would think Gary Snyder also.
myradioon 2 years ago
corso was at least bi i think, he had relationships with ginsberg and burroughs n im not sure bout snyder
dbfkjmatt 2 years ago
There was something absolutely enlightening in what Neal just said. I just need to figure out what.
Echo630 2 years ago 2
is that a cigarette that allen is puffing on??
Garratchy 2 years ago
uh huh.
vlightning 2 years ago
First time I ever heard Neal speak.
I always wondered what he sounded like.
KultureJamCollective 2 years ago
i always thought he would sound like a young marlon brando.
LeopoldSampsonite 2 years ago
Does anyone know what year this is from by chance?
nswhite 2 years ago
enjoy it.
Chickenhawk9932 2 years ago
go moan go grown go roll your bone.
thebobmeyer 2 years ago
allen ginsberg is off his chops, trying to keep up with a lucid man.
hopdac 2 years ago
I can picture marathon sessions of what we just saw lasting days. beautiful!
hackychan 2 years ago 2
I'm reading On the Road and it's absolutely great to see them all crazy like in the book: cassady talking and ginsberg laughing like gone crazy!
Thomaspwgy 2 years ago
they're just not on the same level innit
astralandrew 2 years ago
Neal cassidy so rocks!!!
astralandrew 2 years ago
Ginsberg tries in vain to communicate with Cassady, who can only monologue. As far as what Neal is trying to say about the forms and life going where the forms are, it sounds like a very high person paraphrasing philosophy not very clearly. Poor Allen was smitten--if only Neal hadn't been cute!
kookooboy 2 years ago
Absolutly, Cassidy was an intellectual desert and use to waffle on about nothing. He was a two bit con and prostitute who was at the right time and the right place. Cassidy looks uneasy because he is not in his natural environement this looks like a university library surrounded by academics and he knows he is out of place.
ECisGOD 2 years ago
i agree.
lesassassins 2 years ago
i had to watch this a few times to completely understand what neal cassady was getting at
drumspirit23 3 years ago
:19 you can tell neil is playing a prank because allen mutters not mumbles but mutters after he gives his reaction. He clearly says "now theres a prank"
Thebeefypig 3 years ago
'Just enjoy it' three wonderful words on life, as life itself is the true happiness did we but know it! The joy of life, this one life so precious inwardly appreciated and outwardly presented dismantles all external control, diminishes the hurt of parochial self-interest. Just enjoy it! In time we will.given change we have to.
Best wishes!
mikris50 3 years ago
my dog barks some
mentally you picture my dog, but I have not told you the type of dog I have.
Perhaps you might even picture ToTo from the Wizard Of Oz,
but I can tell you my dog is always with me!
RUFFF!
sean57 3 years ago
Ginsberg is the poet, Cassady the foil, laughter their remain in knowing, one on to the other - it's simply wonderful stuff!
mikris50 3 years ago
FOIL ?
sativa303 3 years ago
The foil; metaphorically meant as in rapier, scimitar, cleaver, the sword Cassady cutting to the chase. The beauty being however, no blood is actually spilled or intended between these two obvious friends and kindred spirits, hence the laughter from Ginsberg at the end a true sign of intellectual parlance. It's Jaw, jaw not war, war!
Very best wishes and a Happy New Year to you and yours!
mikris50 3 years ago
To understand this term in literature: Imagine the hero, or protagonist. Then imagine the antihero, sometimes the antagonist, sometimes the confidant.... The foil.
alcoatari 1 year ago
there seems to be a bit of tension between the 2 here. slightly mocking from ginsberg, turning away from cassady and laughing. then cassady gives a look of pure derision at the end. interesting interesting
electricitycomesfrom 3 years ago 2
lol not at all man
platoon018 3 years ago
i agree with platoon018. Theses guys were true friends. They probably just felt a little uneasy around cameras thats all
Thebeefypig 3 years ago
"Everybody has forms and if everythings known and the forms are changing then theres no life in the forms. Life goes where the new forms are."-- is that what Neal said?
visual513 3 years ago
Yup, he's paraphrasing Plato's world of forms
AJyaku 3 years ago
Neal was playing the con artist here, throwing mad words around.
karyboberry 3 years ago
awesome truth seekers; no BS in Cassady.
trysum1841 3 years ago
Neal was never known to be an intelectual. kerouac and the others just admired him for his naturaly freewheeling ways. Ginsburg probably just thought he was hot,and Neal just soaked up the admiration. fatherless child
wiseoldfool101 3 years ago
This guy came in and fooked up his gig.
Snotra 3 years ago
Allen Ginsberg is to poetry what Jimmy Carter is to politics.
manalone999 3 years ago
hahahaha! well said
alcoatari 1 year ago
more of a speed rap. long time gone.
prestoswag 3 years ago
Anybody else get the sense of a little animosity on Neal's part? Like when he says the part about people who might as well be dead he shoots Ginsy a stare, and when Ginsberg is talking he looks away disinterestedly. I could be imagining things.
Oceanmachine27 3 years ago
@Oceanmachine27 I felt it too. Suprising, they almost seem fed up with each other.
spaceheadsam 1 year ago
Kick back Dean , you too Carlo .
this video is awesome
LAMF1968 3 years ago
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I can't believe that these men have been revered by the most intelligent minds, they seem like a couple of high college students talking about stuff they kno nothing about--yet there is something about them which draws you in, tells you there is more to this than just mindless ramble...extraordinary.
keatingpiers 3 years ago
I know, they are so intelligent, they aren't "pretentious intellectuals" who flaunt it, and try to make themselves look grand, they just say it and express it as it is.
markab26 3 years ago 4
I dare to say that Cassidy's inteligence was not in a Academical profile, but in more of a practical, and emotinal profile. Like a street smart, he knew about people, and not "Academical Theories"
Lillogambino 3 years ago 2
Neil Cassidy was hot
markab26 3 years ago 4
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This is what happens when you smoke to much pot!
durco01 3 years ago
looking back upon all the scandals that ever since happened, neal seems simply a realistic man with his head in its right place - a sceptic and not one of " them babies" - as jim morrison called the woodstock visitors
gantock 3 years ago
i saw ginsberg reading for the last time, threatened by arab bombs and wearing a palestinian shawl, nice gesture for a jew, aint it?
gantock 3 years ago
Cassady cuts to the very quick in abrasive, fabulously expresive shoot to the heart of the matter. Gindsberg despite best try yet seen, in poetic alingment is in hindsight hung and wobbles in his inner heart for telling so. Cassady rapiers it all, kebab like; the pentagon has it all under control. 'Just enjoy it!' - what a wonderful line, given time and application! This guy knew and both suffered from where it was and remains sincerely at!
mikris50 3 years ago
Just look at NEAL CASSADY'S fantastic facial expressions!
Rauding 3 years ago
That either speedor LSD face..
whelhosses 3 years ago
Cassady comes off as a great philosopher who's serious observations flew right by Ginsberg.
republicansscareme 3 years ago
did he say rather bitterly that the pentagon was running the country, and to enjoy it...
necramericanomicon 3 years ago
ginsberg is the kind of person who should be revered. He's not the typical icon, who talks over people in grand, self-absorbed fashion. instead, in a wonderful, child-like manor he encourages neal to critique and share his ideas. he makes a genuine effort to understand.
lucierohan 3 years ago 2
i agree, theres a natural quality to him i liked and you worded it well.. your friends are lucky to have someone who understands WHY they like them
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edmayle 3 years ago
ginsberg is the kind of person who should be revered. He's not the typical icon, who talks over people in grand, self-absorbed fashion. instead, in a wonderful, child-like manor he encourages neal to critique and share his ideas. he makes a genuine effort to understand.
lucierohan 3 years ago
Youtube use to have some good shit..now they are fucking everything up-once i saw an entire documentary on Kerouac called "King of the beats" now there is nothing!
Lillogambino 3 years ago 3
hahahah! I have almost no idea what he's talking about! He even rubs himself like the book describes! We need a new Neal
romancandlefight 3 years ago 2
@romancandlefight WE GOT MANY!:)
MrDUDEMAN76 1 year ago
Great video! Neal's just rapping along...
jacobehrlich 3 years ago
@jacobehrlich yup!;)
MrDUDEMAN76 1 year ago
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what a sobbing bunch of degenerates...
lictor313 3 years ago
Neil looks like he is speeding along there, moving so fast even Ginsberg is finding it hard to catch up...
andygray 3 years ago
I take it you mean the drug (speed). Maybe, but I doubt it, I think he's just talking, having a conversation, voicing ideas and thoughts... thoughts can be like a spool of string, the more you pull on them the faster they unwind. you can get caught up in it...
rimialha 3 years ago
my guess is benzadrine.
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edmayle 3 years ago
Far out.
Scroobily 3 years ago
supposedly Neal Cassady and Allen Ginsberg had a homosexual relationship and Jack Kerouac left it out of his "On the Road" book.
donthavenosn 3 years ago
What's your source?
danrob10 3 years ago
It's in the introduction of the version of On the Road i read. The introduction was written by Ann Charters.
donthavenosn 3 years ago
thats truth, i think.
allen and neal had a long affair that lasted nearly twenty years or so. they were both gay, of course, and ginsberg describes it as one of his biggest loves of his life, most sexually passionate, most emotionally turbulent.
my source is from an interview of ginsberg for BBC. the one which he sings father death blues at the end. awesome interview if you can find it all together.
voltakid 3 years ago
NC wasn't gay. He much prefered the relationships and the sex he had with women. He was addicted to women. But him being Neal Cassady, he would be whatever a person wanted him to be. In Ginsbergs case a gay lover.
Jakko142 3 years ago
Of course they did, although whether they had a "relationship" or just "made it a few times" depends on how you look at it. But for sure they slept together now and then
ssalemi 3 years ago
did anyone read the book? if so, then why do any of you care what they did, does it matter one way or the next?
Shred2Death 3 years ago
get your facts straight he was now junk collector!!
gg kid
GGSkid 4 years ago
I'd rather hear Neal rave for 10 seconds than hear Allen recite for an hour. YMMV
drmlabs 4 years ago
Ginsberg has been important to beings like me and you. I have so many free and strange desires that now can be realized. Cadaver-Carnal-Knowledge can be a very great source of light, power, and pleasure. I know that he dreamed about it too, and may have tried it. When I am no more, I want another to enjoy me the same way. It is the cycle of life & sodomy in death. It may seem morbid to you, but please dont judge me. I would never hurt anyone. Ginsberg liberated us from Prospero.
TheCalibanMan 4 years ago
ginsberg wasn't much and neal was right. he's writing in hindsight about things that were decided then that are happening now. create new forms. stay a step ahead.
nakayummy 4 years ago
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So - finally, after all these years- it turns out that THIS is the prick who was "at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"...? he's nothin special.
incongra 4 years ago
That's because you have neither the eyes or the spirit to see his radiant rebellious soul aware and ready to conquer the world. But I hope one day you will awake, not to find a way or a path but just to...... LIVE!!!!
KingOfDestruction 4 years ago