that reporter in the red coat cracked me up, just the way she walked all the way off screen in the first part, then biting the burger. what the hell was that about.
"Most societies have a ruling elite. An elite try to stay in power. How they stay in power is not only by controlling the means of production, to be Marxist, i.e. controlling the money, but controlling the cognitive map - the way we think".
I knew this channel and you idiots who like it are nothing but a bunch of Commie sympathizing maggots who should be tried and kicked out of the country for TREASON! You scumbags, how do you think Michael Moore would have made all of his millions if it hadn't been for Capitalism.?
hahaha that's funny coming from a man who has a million dollar apartment in Manhattan, a private jet, a fleet of SUVs where ever he goes, and sends his kids to private school
kinda funny that russian television has this, they are one of the most ruthless capatlist system in the world, extreme amout of poor people and some big top ogliarchs
Michael Moore is probably hearning about the faults of socialism so much because it does not work. Everytime some form of socialism fails people say it wasn't the right type of socialism but the truth is that socialism is the problem. He gives no realistic alternatives to our current system and when asked says we can figure it out but why don't you? Because capitalism is the least bad economic system that we will ever have.
"Michael Moore is probably hearning about the faults of socialism so much because it does not work. "
It does work in that it removed the strata of grinding poverty for sure. It lacks in other forms. Look at Geonomics:
"a blend of radicalism and conservatism can puzzle one, until it is seen as a reconciliation of the two. The system is internally consistent, but defies conventional stereotypes."
Americans >> You need a Revolution like the French. Dont just sit in your homes doing nothing. Obama's change never worked. It was all a lie. Only a revolution can make a change.
@jaguarclaw no, state ownership of industry is an aspect of fascism. according to the oxford dictionary of philosophy communism is a socioeconomic system which consists of communal ownership of industry and communal self government. socialism is a classless society in which the state consists of worker's counsels and there is a mixture of self representation of the people and elected representation from among the people. America has become a corporatocracy, where industry controls the state.
@jaguarclaw actually communism is a stateless and classless society where you have communal ownership of industry and communal self-government. america is the reverse of fascist italy and nazi germany. there the state had ownership of corporations, here you have corporations that have ownership of the state.
@nmr20067 so what? if he benefits from something should he obliged to agree with it? Come on. Thats what Moore disaproves, people must develop their personality.
CONTROL EXTREME CAPITALISM AND WALL STREET! They get more rich and people get more poor, the differences are a big problem, goverment from USA is permiting all the liberty to Wall street to do whatever they want and earn more and more money, AMERICAN people is stupid for permitting that!..
This film should be titled "Corporatism or Facism a Love Story" not Capitalism. Its Corporatism that led to concerns in Moore's other films including Roger & Me, Fahrenheit 9/11, and Sicko.
Even though people can disagree with this film, we all should agree that our economic system needs to change.
Capitalism is a system where production is carried out to make profit or exchange value. There's nothing wrong with that. There needs to be a free market, capitalistic system based on competition to produce better goods and services for lower costs. Big companies are not bad unless they receive subsidies, and get preferential laws passed, to eliminate competition to a few, probably owned by the same people. Government needs to stop interfering and start enforcing anti-trust and fraud laws.
@Cyrus992 And if it weren't for capitalism, he would have never been able to make that much money.
I do agree with you on the bailouts though. That is just fucked up. These motherfuckers talk about the free market principle, and yet when they are in trouble, they ask for the government's help. That is definitely not "free market"!
The irony is that Hollywood loves to rail against capitalism, greed & the profit motive, but many of their problems can be traced to the greed of people in Hollywood itself.
Ethics is a big subject in the field of business, anyone who has studied Business in universities around the world know this. So why are so many businesses in the U.S. do dirty business? Maybe they failed school and dont know about the subject.
"power corups and absolute power corups absolutly." the government is the worst at running things than any privite corp or company could every be because the more they run thing the more they f*** it up and who do they answer to. socialism is for lazy people who want the government to give them everything so they dont have to do anything for it or they are just idiots.
No system is perfect, same as the Humans who run it.
Any form of... Government... Well, let me be more specific, anything based on dependency on an item, the exploitation of that item and, all the items that 'specific item which people depend upon' bring to them.... Will always fail.
Abolish currency and base everything on the value of your skills and talents. Then add the elements of Technocracy and Utilitarianism combined with a selective sense of collective will and there you go. Every single Human is wealthy with their own talents, why live in a society that tells you to suppress them instead of making use of them however you wish?
When Capitalism benefits only the corporations - it's a total disaster.
Unregulated greed has poisoned the US. A balance of profit-driven and social systems is healthy when guided by regulations that benefit the entire country - not just a handful of the wealthiest shareholders.
Pure thievery. That's what these greedy bank execs have been found guilty of. So now it's time their ill-gotten assets are seized (or burned flat) & toss em' in county lock-up. Remand with no bail. As long as these thieves are allowed to remain on the street the worse it's going to get. Bank execs have been twisted & deformed by incomprehensible greed & they cannot be allowed to continue to steal. Strict regulation & massive terminations need to be implemented now. Or shut em' down forever.
i hate that Laissez-faire capitalism has never exist though many people say it is to blame for corporate welfare and corruption, but NO corporation could keep its power without the governments help.
a capitalism combined with government is more dangerous than socialism, communism or any other social, political or economic idea
Notice how the report walks all time, and that she tries to promote capitalism and at the same time say that socialism is bad, I wouldn't call that neutral. (which is bad because news should be neutral)
I am familiar with Leon Trotsky and his ideas in regard to revolution and international socialism, and I am also familiar with Vladimir Lenin and his theories on the state and imperialism.
Those who propose what is known as "Democratic Socialism" are ignorant of the essence of both socialism and democracy.
I am done wasting my time with such a pretentious, bigoted idiot.
P. S. Why does my eloquence upset you? I am sorry I am unable to communicate as stupidly as you.
your pretentious doesn't upset me it makes me laugh.
ps. If you knew trotsky and Lenin, and their Ideas, you would know that they both say that communism is democracy, and that communist society is the only way to achieve real and pure democracy.
@NeroroPuj YES YES YES!!!! Socialism in democracy. It would be much better than socialism under authoritarianism! Socialism in a democracy would work great and lead to a truly utopian communist society. Finally someone that sees it the way i do! :)
but anyway classical liberalism is only a one form of capitalism and it's old. It can only be used in some poor countries, but it won't fit for todays global capitalism.
capitalism was never created by anyone. it's not an ideology. Liberalism, Fascism, Corporatism, Imperialism, Keynesianism, Conservatims etc. are all just different forms of capitalism.
write to your state senators and reps. asking them to prevent congress from funding more money on the war in afghanistan. tell them how you feel about the bailout, health care, jobs..email them write letters..we must act!
This movie has nothing to do with capitalism. It's corporatism that caused all this. Michael Moore doesn't even know what the word capitalism means. Notice how Ron Paul wasn't there.
tell me how is capitalism different form corporationism and tell me what capitalism means. give me the origin of the word capitalism. lets see how smart you Ron Paul worshippers are...
Worshipper? He's just a man and not worthy of worship, but he is worthy of admiration. Anyway, capitalism means the use of capital to produce something. That's it and the concept itself is as old as ecoomics. However, the word can be traced back to the Middle East during Islam's age of prosperity or Islam's golden age if you prefer. Corporatism is the use of law to favor some businesses over others.
wrong. Capital mean property. Capitalism means private ownership. "capitalism means the use of capital to produce something" there is capital in every country and they produce. Cuba have capital and they produce cigar, sugar ect. so what your saying is complete bull.
so basically you don't know what capitalism means. you think there is not capitalism in america because your god says so.
Corporatism is one form of capitalism. Wikipedia refer it as highest level of capitalism.
No, capital is the means of production. Capitalism is the use of capital to produce something. And your right, capital is in use in every country, even communist countries. The difference between us and them is ownership of the capital. It's government monopoly versus free-enterprise economic systems. Free-enterprise has to do with private ownership. Corporatism has to do with government monopolies and control over markets. And Wikipedia isn't a good source except for matters of science.
Okay you clearly don't know your terms. You haven't studied political philosophy, the different economic models, yes there is more than one, and political history of the last three thousand years. You seem to be the typical democrat douche bag with a very narrow understanding of anything politics and could care less. You don't know what the philosophy of liberty means and you don't know the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. Until you start studying do not address me.
I'm still waiting for you to name me one capitalist country. if you cant, then stop acting smart. America is capitalist. Capitalism is different than democracy. a capitalist country don't necessarily need to be democratic.
don't confuse classical liberalism with capitalism and stop calling me democrat. it's insulting
You may not like it, but you sound just like one. I should know. I live in New Jersey. I'm surrounded by them. Anyway, every country is a capitalist country because capitalism is a process. Not an economic system. Free enterprise is an economic system. Government monopoly is an economic system. America used to embrace free enterprise, but now we've let government take more control over our lives. It saddens me.
It really is funny to be told that you don't know what capitalism is by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's almost comedic actually. I've explained this to you multiple times already, but you haven't listened. You only seem to hear what Michael Moore says. He's from Hollywood. Half of those shmucks believe in scientology. They don't what they're talking about over there. Anyway, you obviously don't care what I have to say so why are you still talking to me?
You have only gave me incorrect information about capitalism. that mean you don't know what capitalism means.
According to UN, Finland, Cuba and Canada have the best Academic education in the world. I'm Studying Business in Helsinki University. So now your telling me what capitalism is based on some Ron Paul video? Ron paul is from US government. all of them thinks that having a Gun is a human right.
Self-defense is a human right. A gun just plays a part in that, but you seem too narrow-minded to undrstand that. Also, the US has the best universities and South Korea has the best public educational system. Look it up. Now why are you still talking to me? You don't care what I have to say. You started this without considering the fact that your populist idea of capitalism is wrong and that the mainstream doesn't understand economics. You're close minded more so than a conservative.
Capitalism, in the conventional meaning of the term, is an economic system wherein the means of production are privately owned and money is used as a tool of exchange; and in which the government abstains from intervention in economic affairs.
What we have today, therefore, is not capitalism: it is a mixed economy; that is, an amalgamation of several discrete economic systems.
Neither you nor the person with whom you were debating seem to be knowledgeable of basic economics.
I'm tired to arguea all this for forth time with some dumb american. I just have one question for you. If america is not capitalis then which country is?
Quite simply, there are currently no pure capitalistic systems operating anywhere in the world. Granted, there are varying levels of freedom in the market, and there does exist private property in many countries, but almost every economy on earth is regulated to some extent (the financial section in America, for instance, is grossly regulated). This is because Keynesianism has been the prevalent approach to economics for decades.
there is no pure capitalist or pure socialist country in anywhere in the world.
but what we call capitalist country is a country that is more capitalist than socialist like America, Afganistan, Somalia, China, Canada. and what we call socialist is a country that is more socialist than capitalist. the only country is cuba. then there is the REAL economy mix like scandinavia.
but ever you call this global system, we must get rid of it and replace in with democratic socialism
keynesianism is one form of capitalism. what you are discribing is classical liberalism wich is even worse than keynesianism.
there is also many different forms of socialism: trotskism, marxism, marxist-leninism, maoism, euro-communism, socialdemocracy, stalism, cheguavarism etc.
by your standards there is there have never been any capitalist or socialist country.
Any exponent of free-markets would be loath to equate Keynsianism with capitalism: it is a system which advocates massive encroachment of the state in economic matters. (Of course you would favor Keynsianism over Liberalism; you're a querulous statist!)
Also, the different forms of socialism which you enumerated, are not really that distinct from one another. They are similar in that, like all forms of socialism, they advocate state control of the means of productions.
1. you don't know nothing about socialism if you think that stalinism and sicialdemocracy are similiar. But I don't blame you, because americans have lack of knowledge about everything.
2. Liberalism, Conservatism, Keynianism etc. are not very different from eachother neither.
but still, keynianism is one form of capitalism period.
Your superciliousness seems insuperable, but I will do my best to clarify things for you.
Firstly, I comprehend very well the subject of socialism; but you are evidently confused on said topic. For if you did, you would be aware that there is no essential distinction between the various forms of socialism. Your problem, however, is that you are thinking in inessentials: namely, you are ignoring the core of socialism--state control of the mean of production--and what this entails.
lol. Hahahahahaaa :D what does all this have to do with anything? I said that Keynianism is just one form of capitalism then I compared this issue to socialism: there is also different forms of socialism, and it's stupid to say dogmaticly that only marxism is socialism and deny that trotskism of marxist-leninism is not socialism.
ps. I bet you have no Idea what trotskism or marxism leninism is.
Moore says here that America needs a governemnt controlled by the people and for the people, with a moral code. It's that what we had about 100 years ago?
We are a bankrupt Nation & we must get back into solvency. We do that by putting the financial system threw a Glass-Steagall Bankruptcy. We eliminate the FED & adopt a National Credit system call for in our Constitution. We invest in infrastructure, agriculture & industry & create lots & lots of blue collar jobs. We will bring back all our industries that Global Free Trade Capitalism has outsourced. We don't need Wall Street or the FED anymore! Google: LPACTV: Audio Preview, The LaRouche Plan
Sure there's plenty of Greed with capitalism..But it really keeps people stay motivated...You really can go from poor to very rich if you have the right attitude...Socialism just drags a nation down slowly till they have no one left to pay for it...Michael is right if you could find the middle...but it will never happen...Our leaders are narcissistic and love the power to much...Capitalism is the only way to stay free.
The people do have control, we just don't exercise our muscle. We buy the big companies crap, so if we want to complain we can only do so if we stop buying their stuff, speak out against it, etc. I don't really like Michael Moore that much because he just insults and attacks, anyone can be a skeptic; as he said, the real brilliance would be in making a more perfect system, yet he's blank on ideas for that! You're so brilliant, let's hear your plans!
"I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" only works if we have 2 selfish monkeys craving to be scratched, working in tandem. The system fails when we replace the monkeys with Pavlov's dogs who spend the rest of their lives scratching, simply because it reminded them of what happens after that. I call it the cancer of altruism.
The backlash against capitalism and the free market is nothing more than unfettered sympathy at work. It's an appeal to emotion. That's what gets vulnerable murderers scot free. That's what gets stem cell research impeded. Morality is just one of the many human constructs we become subjugated to. Do not develop a fetish and let it subvert what life is all about: self-interest.
sorry capitalism is what actually works. Its the BANKERS and the GOVERNMENT and WALL STREET thats corrupting capitalism. Capitalism is a great system.
of course you are right. wall street is PUBLIC traded commodities. it only has what is given to it.
if there is a failure in this society it's the ever expanding, yet ever failing and debt creating federal government.
THEY compile crushing debt with INSTITUTED socialist and quasi socialist programs after programs then when it fails blame it on the market. blame it on walll street, blame ANYbody.
while they cont. to take 40-50% of everything you earn.
Moore is opportunist. It is fashionable to dump on corporations so that is what he is doing to make a quick buck. Moore is not economist, he has no qualifications to discuss these issues or at least be taken seriously. I think you need to open your mind to this reality.
Michael Moore couldn't live in a socialist society: I see him becoming enraged at the mere prospect of waiting for four hours in a line of dour people to buy a twinky.
He'd quickly leap onto the idea of free-markets if he lived behind the iron curtain.
"Where's our money?" - "Off to the gulag with you fatty-boomba!"
Solzhenitsyn would have been living off the pork fat drained from his rotten arse.
Wealthy people are still people same way we have to make special seats and pants for Moore.
all he is is another one of these people who are crying about how the system is corrupt but they have no idea what to do about it. the only difference is that he has a big budget and a camera.
Communism didn`t failed at least because there never was any communism anywhere. As so as socialism in USSR did not failed - it was just sabotaged was unable to compete with this capitalism feeded with fiat currency.
Banksters boosted quality of life by pumping inflation and uncontrolled credits - it allowed them to win over socialism (fair system) in a short term - but now they get recoil - watch what will happen
USSR Rouble was NOT free exchange currency dumbfuck and prices (profit) was fixed - and opened and hiden taxes was distributed through society to countless subsidions and free healthcare free education free apartments e t c e t c
Society develops allthogether - not only rich gor richer poor got poorer. - That os socialism
exactly, to say socialism 'failed' in the USSR is to indulge in a simple fantasy of propaganda. the truth is, socialism in the USSR, even considering the most paranoid Stalinist purges, brought health, literacy, education, and industry to an enormous, backwards agrarian nation. Illiterate peasants were transformed into educated city dwellers over one or two generations. If socialism was a 'failed' system, it wouldnt have accomplished this, nor would it have stayed in the USSR for generations.
and as far as the death toll, the culprit is industrialization. This was the major breaking point between Trotsky and Stalin, Trotsky wanted a peaceful and slow transition, while Stalin argued for rapid industrialization since he considered the evolving, industrialized warfare of the rich nations to be highly effective tactic that could easily destroy the new Soviet Union. In my opinion, Stalin seems to have been vindicated after Germany near-defeat of the Soviet Union was reversed.
if you think the death toll of industrialization was only due to Soviet socialism, then you may have to look at the history of industrialization in capitalist countries. The factors of the Civil War, as well as slavery and native American genocide has a very direct link with the American Industrial Revolution. The British Industrial Revolution even paints a bloodier picture, since it was driven by the natural resources of subjugated colonies, murdering who knows how many millions of people.
Trotsky was a criminal responsible for civil war and countless atrocities. He did not wanted any positive transition - he wanted Russia dead - it was objective of his rotchild masters. As so as he pretended to be leader of so called permanent revolution which was obvious delusion ad served one thing - destruction of Russia. Stalin did not allowed him and his followers and cleaned them out of USSR - fast modernisation was the only option for USSR to survive to ongoing new war
this could very well be, but I haven't researched enough to say. I do know failure of 'permanent revolution' in China after Mao led to massive revisionism and the flourishing of the authoritarian capitalism we see there now, and which could very well be the next phase of capitalism.
Why does Michael Moore not give an alternative to capitalism, probably because he doesn't have one, he just makes money off of his movies and complains about what is going on in America. I can tell people what I think and expose things but I don't think that left wing radical liberal Hollywood would ever show it.
Is Michael Moore trying to redefine Capitolism? I alway thought that bailouts were the exact opposite capitolism.... Dam I used to like Michael Moore....
Michael moore is a missinformed jackass,plain and simple. He, along with about 75% of the population do not understand the meaning of capitolism. The difference is, and always has been, who controls the capital.
And while the people on wall street were definitely fishing for every penny they could get. Those in Washington who colluded, capitulated, or even empowered wall-street to do what they did are the real criminals.
1:35 he is talking about free market capitalism. the code mike wants is don't steal or be fraudulent. 2:40 democracy exists in a free market. the ballots are in the form of spent dollars. fail to provide a product you get "voted" out.
I agree with you completely Jicim. The main issue is that people don't even realize what capitalism is. And assume that the wheeling and dealing businesses do are capitalism.
Giving bailout money was not capitalism. Having the FED lower the interest rates which creates the bubbles isn't free market capitalism either.
If Micheal Moore wants to create a new paradigm, he has to understand what the old ones are first.
I think have wised up to Moore's bullcrap. They don't want to pluck down 9 bucks of their hard earned capitalist money to make Moore an even wealthier captialist then he already is. It has renewed my faith in the American people.
It looks like Moore's latest fakeumentary is a dismal failure according to Fox News. It made only 5 milion so far. Gee, ask me if I'm disappointed....NOT!
Freedom of press in Russia is considered amongst the worst in the world by press freedom organization Reporters Without Borders and is ranked 141st in the world for press freedom in their annual survey.
Put your freedom of press organisations into your ass. I bet you never even saw any russin newspaper don`t ya?
And where was your "free press" when georgians killed ossetians? Oh yes - THEY WAS SCREAMING "RUSSIA INVADES GEORGIA!!" and shut mouth of 12 yo girl telling the truth
In America products are bought on merit. 141st ranked media can not possibly compete. That's why they are in a little section with the Mexican newspapers.
Many of the corporations in China are, in fact, American-owned. They moved there for cheap wages. The cost of Obama's healthcare will drive out more corporations and will create more unemployment, debt and despair.
I'm not saying capitalism is perfect, but at least they know how to run a business.
China didn`t applied any capitalism actualy. All their key enterprise are state owned. China has nothing what USSR did not had. Except that China was tool for USA during cold war since cultural revolution of Mao. So world capital invested there a LOT of money in addition to closing eyes on atrocities of Mao regime.
Many things are nice in sweden, not some stalin hellfire as some rednecks think. They think only in two extremes, not something in between, its either heaven or hell.. gotta go
Capitalism is all about exploitation of other nations. Communism is all about exploitation of your own nation. I'm for capitalism. The only question is who would exploit whom.
Communism is not about any exploitation. It is utopia where people give to society what that can and recieve everything they need. There was no any communism ever in history. USSR was socialist state.
Debt of your country has little to do with wars. Its roots is just in immence domestic consumption and overinflation.
And that wars you mentioned is so pathetic as so as it was YOU wo started them.
Actualy those wars PROLONGED your economical agony- if there where no Serbia Iraq Afganistan - your financial ponzi scheme would fall just couple of years after USSR disapeared - the "boogieman" bankster mafia feeded you all those decades justifying military overspendings
I used to be a socialist, but then I realized that capitalism feeds more people at a higher standard. Not that we need a larger population, but capitalism (with some regulation) tends to be more efficient.
Please research your statement. The United States is not the only capitalist nation on Earth, but you'll notice that countries like Canada, Australia, New Zeland, etc (No colonies - no stealing resources from poor countries) have moderate capitalist systems (some regulation acts as a buffer), and they seem to be doing well. List for me 3 marxist/communist countries that do half as well - Don't even try to include China; the only reason they have joined the 21st Century is because of capitalism.
First of all - it is you who need to research your statement - China NO WAY NEAR capitalist country - actualy even LESS than was USSR.
Canada, Australia New Zeland was NOT in focus of cold war - as so as HAD NO WARS ON THEIR TERRITORY FOR OVER 150 YEARS. As so as they had their share of plunder from other nations made by capitalist empires. Also you need to look at Vietnam. Or even at USSR itself - i bet you barely know what kind of economy it had prior 1986
I have nothing against the Russian People, I'm of Slovak decent btw, I do have a problem with communism and heavy handed socialism. Also China is not capitalist, but they employ capitalism in special economic zones (which are more capitalist than anything in the US), hence their several trillion dollar surplus which has allowed them to modernize most of their nation. Capitalism is simply a means of exchange, I think your problem is with Imperialism (USSR was not innocent in that respect).
It is not about capitalism or communism or socialism or imperialism where USSR was actualy innocent - we helped to sustain independance for more nations than any body else. Capitalism is works only when it deployed in environment of socialism and final objective of it not to make rich richer and poor poorer. But it is same utopia as communism - bankers will not stop in face of anything in order to gain profit. The only fair system is state`s capitalism (socialism) like in China and USSR
Tell that to my dad, or the tens of millions of ethnic Russians and Ukranians that were sent to fucking siberia. Newsflash, the "Russian revolution" was anything but Russian. Communism does not work because it assumes that all people are the same and put in the same amount of effort and skill to recieve an equal amount of reward. Why work hard or contribute when the person next to you is sitting on their ass and you get the same reward?
there is 198 countries in the world. Cuba is the only marxist country in the world. according to UN human developing index cuba is the most 48th best country in the world. that means there is 150 capitalist countries doing worse than cuba. and yes capitalist china is at number 112.
I agree with Michael Moore. We should be smart enough to create a new system from scratch. There are people out there doing it right now. Check out "The Venus Project".
What really bugs me is that when he talks about how "capitalism" gave us all these bailouts and how people are angry now that we don't know where the money went (I believe they're rightfully angry). But the GOVERNMENT gave us the bailouts. Capitalism doesn't allow bailouts. Capitalism is getting the blame for KEYNESIANISM. I would like to encourage people to study the system of keynesianism, and how current government intervention distorts the free market. What we have is hardly a "free" market.
that reporter in the red coat cracked me up, just the way she walked all the way off screen in the first part, then biting the burger. what the hell was that about.
jimmyshitbags 4 months ago
Capitalism = Natural person + private own production for profit = Free market
Socialism = State + democratic cooperation for profit = Managed economy
Fascism = State + corporations for profit = Corporatists monopoly
Nazism = Government + social nationalism for profit = State control economy
Communism = Classless society + common ownership = Planned economy
Corporatism = Government + corporations by means of private profits = Communitarian groups of government, business, and public sectors.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
"Most societies have a ruling elite. An elite try to stay in power. How they stay in power is not only by controlling the means of production, to be Marxist, i.e. controlling the money, but controlling the cognitive map - the way we think".
- Gillian Tett (Assistant Editor Financial Times)
NearAbbeyRoad 5 months ago
I knew this channel and you idiots who like it are nothing but a bunch of Commie sympathizing maggots who should be tried and kicked out of the country for TREASON! You scumbags, how do you think Michael Moore would have made all of his millions if it hadn't been for Capitalism.?
deeppurple28 6 months ago
@deeppurple28 Why do you conflate American democracy with capitalism?? Seems you've been trained to see them as one and the same.
whomod 4 months ago
hahaha that's funny coming from a man who has a million dollar apartment in Manhattan, a private jet, a fleet of SUVs where ever he goes, and sends his kids to private school
missersuperman 7 months ago
When will you people get it through your thick skulls that we don't have capitalism right now? Nothing even close. Quite sad really..
AnarchistDictator 8 months ago
poor Moore, doesn't know the difference between capitalism and corporatism...
Life0is0Nothing 8 months ago
kinda funny that russian television has this, they are one of the most ruthless capatlist system in the world, extreme amout of poor people and some big top ogliarchs
Aikosar 8 months ago
Michael Moore is probably hearning about the faults of socialism so much because it does not work. Everytime some form of socialism fails people say it wasn't the right type of socialism but the truth is that socialism is the problem. He gives no realistic alternatives to our current system and when asked says we can figure it out but why don't you? Because capitalism is the least bad economic system that we will ever have.
TheColin808 9 months ago
@TheColin808
"Michael Moore is probably hearning about the faults of socialism so much because it does not work. "
It does work in that it removed the strata of grinding poverty for sure. It lacks in other forms. Look at Geonomics:
"a blend of radicalism and conservatism can puzzle one, until it is seen as a reconciliation of the two. The system is internally consistent, but defies conventional stereotypes."
- Professor Mason Gaffney (US economist)
The best of both worlds and it works.
NearAbbeyRoad 5 months ago
was that kuciniches wife?
nice one Dennis.
Neanderthalcouzin 10 months ago
Americans >> You need a Revolution like the French. Dont just sit in your homes doing nothing. Obama's change never worked. It was all a lie. Only a revolution can make a change.
RobertsDigital 10 months ago
michael moore fuck you, fuckin doucebag
hulksmash123100 1 year ago
@jaguarclaw no, state ownership of industry is an aspect of fascism. according to the oxford dictionary of philosophy communism is a socioeconomic system which consists of communal ownership of industry and communal self government. socialism is a classless society in which the state consists of worker's counsels and there is a mixture of self representation of the people and elected representation from among the people. America has become a corporatocracy, where industry controls the state.
metalgearanarchist 1 year ago
@jaguarclaw actually communism is a stateless and classless society where you have communal ownership of industry and communal self-government. america is the reverse of fascist italy and nazi germany. there the state had ownership of corporations, here you have corporations that have ownership of the state.
metalgearanarchist 1 year ago
If you pirate Micheal's movie
he will capitalize your ass.....BIG time....
CHUCKtheFED 1 year ago 4
But Moore benefits from Capitalism. He is a multimillionaire.
nmr20067 1 year ago
@nmr20067 so what? if he benefits from something should he obliged to agree with it? Come on. Thats what Moore disaproves, people must develop their personality.
DCHammett 10 months ago
CONTROL EXTREME CAPITALISM AND WALL STREET! They get more rich and people get more poor, the differences are a big problem, goverment from USA is permiting all the liberty to Wall street to do whatever they want and earn more and more money, AMERICAN people is stupid for permitting that!..
pabloberdecio 1 year ago
Capitalism allows indivisuals to create and expands wealth.
Moores idea would just share and never expand the wealth
ssahagun1 1 year ago
This film should be titled "Corporatism or Facism a Love Story" not Capitalism. Its Corporatism that led to concerns in Moore's other films including Roger & Me, Fahrenheit 9/11, and Sicko.
Even though people can disagree with this film, we all should agree that our economic system needs to change.
Cyrus992 1 year ago 2
Capitalism is a system where production is carried out to make profit or exchange value. There's nothing wrong with that. There needs to be a free market, capitalistic system based on competition to produce better goods and services for lower costs. Big companies are not bad unless they receive subsidies, and get preferential laws passed, to eliminate competition to a few, probably owned by the same people. Government needs to stop interfering and start enforcing anti-trust and fraud laws.
ronpaul19 1 year ago 2
Michael Moore is bloody rich himself!
ttiiyy 1 year ago
@ttiiyy Moore being wealthy is okay because he earned. Those bonuses paid in the bailouts are making people wealthy for the wrong reasons.
Cyrus992 1 year ago
@Cyrus992 And if it weren't for capitalism, he would have never been able to make that much money.
I do agree with you on the bailouts though. That is just fucked up. These motherfuckers talk about the free market principle, and yet when they are in trouble, they ask for the government's help. That is definitely not "free market"!
ttiiyy 1 year ago
@ttiiyy Well we dont and never had real capitalism. The bailouts and easy help from the public sector helping to make the top 1% so powerful.
This movie clearly displays he just wants to help in society, just has a few spots that seem biased to many people.
Cyrus992 1 year ago 3
The irony is that Hollywood loves to rail against capitalism, greed & the profit motive, but many of their problems can be traced to the greed of people in Hollywood itself.
BlackRepublican2010 1 year ago
@BlackRepublican2010 So true!
ttiiyy 1 year ago
This isnt capitalism. Government money bailing out business? That is not capitalism.
ZakBrownrigg123 1 year ago 2
@ZakBrownrigg123 Exactly, Moore's film should be titled Corporatism or Facism not Capitalism
Cyrus992 1 year ago
Moral and ethical???? How about not selling out, Michael? How about not spreading more lies.
Maxobillion 1 year ago
Ethics is a big subject in the field of business, anyone who has studied Business in universities around the world know this. So why are so many businesses in the U.S. do dirty business? Maybe they failed school and dont know about the subject.
Manolo1013 1 year ago
"power corups and absolute power corups absolutly." the government is the worst at running things than any privite corp or company could every be because the more they run thing the more they f*** it up and who do they answer to. socialism is for lazy people who want the government to give them everything so they dont have to do anything for it or they are just idiots.
JerReid 1 year ago
screw you vilolent comunist
JerReid 1 year ago
No system is perfect, same as the Humans who run it.
Any form of... Government... Well, let me be more specific, anything based on dependency on an item, the exploitation of that item and, all the items that 'specific item which people depend upon' bring to them.... Will always fail.
Shadows0ldier 1 year ago
Michael Moore is just another limousine liberal. Moore is the epitome of a capitalist ! He is laughing all the way to the bank !!
Doesn't surprise me that Kucinich doesn't know shit about Capitalism though.
MetalDetroit 1 year ago
Abolish currency and base everything on the value of your skills and talents. Then add the elements of Technocracy and Utilitarianism combined with a selective sense of collective will and there you go. Every single Human is wealthy with their own talents, why live in a society that tells you to suppress them instead of making use of them however you wish?
zenophas 1 year ago
When Capitalism benefits only the corporations - it's a total disaster.
Unregulated greed has poisoned the US. A balance of profit-driven and social systems is healthy when guided by regulations that benefit the entire country - not just a handful of the wealthiest shareholders.
Avidsh21 1 year ago
It's not Capitalism that's the problem - its Corporatism.
calladuz 2 years ago
capitalism now liveing in china.
lechevaliermalfet1 2 years ago
Pure thievery. That's what these greedy bank execs have been found guilty of. So now it's time their ill-gotten assets are seized (or burned flat) & toss em' in county lock-up. Remand with no bail. As long as these thieves are allowed to remain on the street the worse it's going to get. Bank execs have been twisted & deformed by incomprehensible greed & they cannot be allowed to continue to steal. Strict regulation & massive terminations need to be implemented now. Or shut em' down forever.
pig5689 2 years ago
Capitalism has ni light side. Long Live Socialism
Yalda1871 2 years ago 18
with our current technological abilities to create abundance, capitalism isn't just cruel, it's not even relevant.
saydaysago2008 2 years ago
good on him, capitalism is evil. It means that the poor starve and the rich get fat...
Noodelydoom 2 years ago 3
i hate that Laissez-faire capitalism has never exist though many people say it is to blame for corporate welfare and corruption, but NO corporation could keep its power without the governments help.
a capitalism combined with government is more dangerous than socialism, communism or any other social, political or economic idea
amalwaysawsome 2 years ago 2
Notice how the report walks all time, and that she tries to promote capitalism and at the same time say that socialism is bad, I wouldn't call that neutral. (which is bad because news should be neutral)
thom6213 2 years ago
USA = United Slumps of Assfuckland. Americunts/Suckdians are nothing but bottom of the food-chain non-human species.
PakistaniisPower 2 years ago
I love these comments!
SGAK 2 years ago
what I recomand is socialized form of democracy.
and why are you using such a fancy language? does it make feel smarter? :D
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
@NeroroPuj
I am familiar with Leon Trotsky and his ideas in regard to revolution and international socialism, and I am also familiar with Vladimir Lenin and his theories on the state and imperialism.
Those who propose what is known as "Democratic Socialism" are ignorant of the essence of both socialism and democracy.
I am done wasting my time with such a pretentious, bigoted idiot.
P. S. Why does my eloquence upset you? I am sorry I am unable to communicate as stupidly as you.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
your pretentious doesn't upset me it makes me laugh.
ps. If you knew trotsky and Lenin, and their Ideas, you would know that they both say that communism is democracy, and that communist society is the only way to achieve real and pure democracy.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
You know Lenin was a power-hungry dictator who had Trotsky killed, right? True communism has never surfaced.
mussman717word 2 years ago
Wrong. Lenin died lot before Trotsky. Trosky was exiled from USSR by stalin few years after lenins death and he was killed in mexico.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago 16
this guy is right :)
henainee 2 years ago
@NeroroPuj By a stalinist agent/spy
XIIIBAER 6 months ago
Lenin was dead before Trotsky so that's not really true - but you are correct that Trotsky had a different way that never surfaced.
sheepburn 2 years ago
@NeroroPuj YES YES YES!!!! Socialism in democracy. It would be much better than socialism under authoritarianism! Socialism in a democracy would work great and lead to a truly utopian communist society. Finally someone that sees it the way i do! :)
fishontuesday 1 year ago
but anyway classical liberalism is only a one form of capitalism and it's old. It can only be used in some poor countries, but it won't fit for todays global capitalism.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
capitalism was never created by anyone. it's not an ideology. Liberalism, Fascism, Corporatism, Imperialism, Keynesianism, Conservatims etc. are all just different forms of capitalism.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
Moore is a shill watch Alex Jones the Obama deception.
freefalling48 2 years ago
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NeroroPuj 2 years ago
if america is not a capitalist country, then name one capitalist country...
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
write to your state senators and reps. asking them to prevent congress from funding more money on the war in afghanistan. tell them how you feel about the bailout, health care, jobs..email them write letters..we must act!
frenchmansgirl 2 years ago
let´s change the world, now!!
ValenciaMunich 2 years ago
There's so much ignorance spawned on these boards about our economic system, and Moore doesn't even show that he can give us a clue.
It's all about who controls the "money". Do a YouTube search on "Fiat Empire", and watch the video. That's a good place to start.
RoySC1 2 years ago
This movie has nothing to do with capitalism. It's corporatism that caused all this. Michael Moore doesn't even know what the word capitalism means. Notice how Ron Paul wasn't there.
sniper6081 2 years ago 2
tell me how is capitalism different form corporationism and tell me what capitalism means. give me the origin of the word capitalism. lets see how smart you Ron Paul worshippers are...
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
Worshipper? He's just a man and not worthy of worship, but he is worthy of admiration. Anyway, capitalism means the use of capital to produce something. That's it and the concept itself is as old as ecoomics. However, the word can be traced back to the Middle East during Islam's age of prosperity or Islam's golden age if you prefer. Corporatism is the use of law to favor some businesses over others.
sniper6081 2 years ago
wrong. Capital mean property. Capitalism means private ownership. "capitalism means the use of capital to produce something" there is capital in every country and they produce. Cuba have capital and they produce cigar, sugar ect. so what your saying is complete bull.
so basically you don't know what capitalism means. you think there is not capitalism in america because your god says so.
Corporatism is one form of capitalism. Wikipedia refer it as highest level of capitalism.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
No, capital is the means of production. Capitalism is the use of capital to produce something. And your right, capital is in use in every country, even communist countries. The difference between us and them is ownership of the capital. It's government monopoly versus free-enterprise economic systems. Free-enterprise has to do with private ownership. Corporatism has to do with government monopolies and control over markets. And Wikipedia isn't a good source except for matters of science.
sniper6081 2 years ago
"capital is mean of production" lol. you don't even know what capital means. Corporatism is one form of capitalism.
and yes even in corporatism, the corporations use capital to produce something. what you god ron paul refer as "capitalism" is classical liberalism
that's like saying Monkey and baboon are not same because baboon have a red ass.
baboon, gorilla, orangutan are all monkeys
corporatism, classical liberalism, fascism, neoliberalism are all capitalism.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
Okay you clearly don't know your terms. You haven't studied political philosophy, the different economic models, yes there is more than one, and political history of the last three thousand years. You seem to be the typical democrat douche bag with a very narrow understanding of anything politics and could care less. You don't know what the philosophy of liberty means and you don't know the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. Until you start studying do not address me.
sniper6081 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for you to name me one capitalist country. if you cant, then stop acting smart. America is capitalist. Capitalism is different than democracy. a capitalist country don't necessarily need to be democratic.
don't confuse classical liberalism with capitalism and stop calling me democrat. it's insulting
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
You may not like it, but you sound just like one. I should know. I live in New Jersey. I'm surrounded by them. Anyway, every country is a capitalist country because capitalism is a process. Not an economic system. Free enterprise is an economic system. Government monopoly is an economic system. America used to embrace free enterprise, but now we've let government take more control over our lives. It saddens me.
sniper6081 2 years ago
there we go, you admitted that america is a capitalist country :)
"capitalism is a process. Not an economic system" LOOOOL! hahahaaa :D
It's pointless to argue with you if you don't even know what capitalism is.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
It really is funny to be told that you don't know what capitalism is by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's almost comedic actually. I've explained this to you multiple times already, but you haven't listened. You only seem to hear what Michael Moore says. He's from Hollywood. Half of those shmucks believe in scientology. They don't what they're talking about over there. Anyway, you obviously don't care what I have to say so why are you still talking to me?
sniper6081 2 years ago
You have only gave me incorrect information about capitalism. that mean you don't know what capitalism means.
According to UN, Finland, Cuba and Canada have the best Academic education in the world. I'm Studying Business in Helsinki University. So now your telling me what capitalism is based on some Ron Paul video? Ron paul is from US government. all of them thinks that having a Gun is a human right.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
Self-defense is a human right. A gun just plays a part in that, but you seem too narrow-minded to undrstand that. Also, the US has the best universities and South Korea has the best public educational system. Look it up. Now why are you still talking to me? You don't care what I have to say. You started this without considering the fact that your populist idea of capitalism is wrong and that the mainstream doesn't understand economics. You're close minded more so than a conservative.
sniper6081 2 years ago
Capitalism, in the conventional meaning of the term, is an economic system wherein the means of production are privately owned and money is used as a tool of exchange; and in which the government abstains from intervention in economic affairs.
What we have today, therefore, is not capitalism: it is a mixed economy; that is, an amalgamation of several discrete economic systems.
Neither you nor the person with whom you were debating seem to be knowledgeable of basic economics.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
I'm tired to arguea all this for forth time with some dumb american. I just have one question for you. If america is not capitalis then which country is?
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
Quite simply, there are currently no pure capitalistic systems operating anywhere in the world. Granted, there are varying levels of freedom in the market, and there does exist private property in many countries, but almost every economy on earth is regulated to some extent (the financial section in America, for instance, is grossly regulated). This is because Keynesianism has been the prevalent approach to economics for decades.
Nice display of xenophobia, by the way.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
there is no pure capitalist or pure socialist country in anywhere in the world.
but what we call capitalist country is a country that is more capitalist than socialist like America, Afganistan, Somalia, China, Canada. and what we call socialist is a country that is more socialist than capitalist. the only country is cuba. then there is the REAL economy mix like scandinavia.
but ever you call this global system, we must get rid of it and replace in with democratic socialism
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
Socialism has been arrantly discredited as an economic system, as has Keynesianism.
Try again.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
keynesianism is one form of capitalism. what you are describing as capitalism is classical liberalism.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
keynesianism is one form of capitalism. what you are discribing is classical liberalism wich is even worse than keynesianism.
there is also many different forms of socialism: trotskism, marxism, marxist-leninism, maoism, euro-communism, socialdemocracy, stalism, cheguavarism etc.
by your standards there is there have never been any capitalist or socialist country.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
@NeroroPuj
Any exponent of free-markets would be loath to equate Keynsianism with capitalism: it is a system which advocates massive encroachment of the state in economic matters. (Of course you would favor Keynsianism over Liberalism; you're a querulous statist!)
Also, the different forms of socialism which you enumerated, are not really that distinct from one another. They are similar in that, like all forms of socialism, they advocate state control of the means of productions.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
1. you don't know nothing about socialism if you think that stalinism and sicialdemocracy are similiar. But I don't blame you, because americans have lack of knowledge about everything.
2. Liberalism, Conservatism, Keynianism etc. are not very different from eachother neither.
but still, keynianism is one form of capitalism period.
merry xmass btw.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
@NeroroPuj
Your superciliousness seems insuperable, but I will do my best to clarify things for you.
Firstly, I comprehend very well the subject of socialism; but you are evidently confused on said topic. For if you did, you would be aware that there is no essential distinction between the various forms of socialism. Your problem, however, is that you are thinking in inessentials: namely, you are ignoring the core of socialism--state control of the mean of production--and what this entails.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
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NeroroPuj 2 years ago
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lol. Hahahahahaaa :D what does all this have to do with anything? I said that Keynianism is just one form of capitalism then I compared this issue to socialism: there is also different forms of socialism, and it's stupid to say dogmaticly that only marxism is socialism and deny that trotskism of marxist-leninism is not socialism.
ps. I bet you have no Idea what trotskism or marxism leninism is.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
screw Michael Moore
lionheart3223 2 years ago
Moore says here that America needs a governemnt controlled by the people and for the people, with a moral code. It's that what we had about 100 years ago?
xtopperx 2 years ago
Look at Kucinch and his trophy bride. He must have got her off of that UFO he saw.
logsdon36 2 years ago
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gkgreger 2 years ago
It's been all dowhhill for Moore since Roger & Me.
Noone's going to his lasting movie.
It's bombing.
People are tired of his useful idiot nonsense.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
Michael Moore, you belong in Russia, Cuba or North Korea.
You're a commie.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
Sure there's plenty of Greed with capitalism..But it really keeps people stay motivated...You really can go from poor to very rich if you have the right attitude...Socialism just drags a nation down slowly till they have no one left to pay for it...Michael is right if you could find the middle...but it will never happen...Our leaders are narcissistic and love the power to much...Capitalism is the only way to stay free.
Uwiluz60 2 years ago
Long live capitalism!!! The system that LAZY AMERICA hates and those that care about their families and work their butts off embrace!!!
JHODGES19721 2 years ago
The people do have control, we just don't exercise our muscle. We buy the big companies crap, so if we want to complain we can only do so if we stop buying their stuff, speak out against it, etc. I don't really like Michael Moore that much because he just insults and attacks, anyone can be a skeptic; as he said, the real brilliance would be in making a more perfect system, yet he's blank on ideas for that! You're so brilliant, let's hear your plans!
Sickopath333 2 years ago
"I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" only works if we have 2 selfish monkeys craving to be scratched, working in tandem. The system fails when we replace the monkeys with Pavlov's dogs who spend the rest of their lives scratching, simply because it reminded them of what happens after that. I call it the cancer of altruism.
cherylwens 2 years ago
The backlash against capitalism and the free market is nothing more than unfettered sympathy at work. It's an appeal to emotion. That's what gets vulnerable murderers scot free. That's what gets stem cell research impeded. Morality is just one of the many human constructs we become subjugated to. Do not develop a fetish and let it subvert what life is all about: self-interest.
cherylwens 2 years ago
self interest minus morality
equals self destruction
theMETALDOVE 2 years ago
sorry capitalism is what actually works. Its the BANKERS and the GOVERNMENT and WALL STREET thats corrupting capitalism. Capitalism is a great system.
bakabusu4 2 years ago
Capitalism does not exist without bankers, government and wall street.
kkklownknight6699 2 years ago
you bloody idiot !
mojoboy1984 2 years ago
of course you are right. wall street is PUBLIC traded commodities. it only has what is given to it.
if there is a failure in this society it's the ever expanding, yet ever failing and debt creating federal government.
THEY compile crushing debt with INSTITUTED socialist and quasi socialist programs after programs then when it fails blame it on the market. blame it on walll street, blame ANYbody.
while they cont. to take 40-50% of everything you earn.
all under threat of law.
wall st. huh?
theMETALDOVE 2 years ago
Anyone who hates on this movie is either a rich fuck...or some poor ignorant fuck who wants to be a rich fuck.
There is so much ignorance in the US, people who have no desire to learn or open their minds.
maxEmoose36 2 years ago
Moore is opportunist. It is fashionable to dump on corporations so that is what he is doing to make a quick buck. Moore is not economist, he has no qualifications to discuss these issues or at least be taken seriously. I think you need to open your mind to this reality.
SuperWilly33 2 years ago
oh yeah right Pandit and Fuld had all the qualifications you want and look what a bunch of losers they turned out to be.
KLguy133 2 years ago
Michael Moore couldn't live in a socialist society: I see him becoming enraged at the mere prospect of waiting for four hours in a line of dour people to buy a twinky.
He'd quickly leap onto the idea of free-markets if he lived behind the iron curtain.
"Where's our money?" - "Off to the gulag with you fatty-boomba!"
Solzhenitsyn would have been living off the pork fat drained from his rotten arse.
Wealthy people are still people same way we have to make special seats and pants for Moore.
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
all he is is another one of these people who are crying about how the system is corrupt but they have no idea what to do about it. the only difference is that he has a big budget and a camera.
wachman 2 years ago
what we have now is not capitalism, it's mafioso style anarchy as the few big bosses control the lives and choices of the rest of us
Funnhaus 2 years ago 3
Exactly capitalism is not the problem. It is this quasi capitalist system we have that is the problem.
SuperWilly33 2 years ago 3
Capitalism didn't fail, corporatism failed and continues to fail.
A fiat currency produced by the unconstitutional collusion of a private central bank and our government, is failing.
If we the people would ENFORCE the constitution, rather than dismantling it, to make it "better", capitalism, might just work after all.
dlucas90 2 years ago 2
Here here dlucas, I don't want the dollar to fail, but our military and wall street are out of hand.
hurchel 2 years ago
Communism didn`t failed at least because there never was any communism anywhere. As so as socialism in USSR did not failed - it was just sabotaged was unable to compete with this capitalism feeded with fiat currency.
Banksters boosted quality of life by pumping inflation and uncontrolled credits - it allowed them to win over socialism (fair system) in a short term - but now they get recoil - watch what will happen
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
you're full of shit, how did the USSR not have fiat currency? and how is socialism a fair system?
luke666808g 2 years ago
USSR Rouble was NOT free exchange currency dumbfuck and prices (profit) was fixed - and opened and hiden taxes was distributed through society to countless subsidions and free healthcare free education free apartments e t c e t c
Society develops allthogether - not only rich gor richer poor got poorer. - That os socialism
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
exactly, to say socialism 'failed' in the USSR is to indulge in a simple fantasy of propaganda. the truth is, socialism in the USSR, even considering the most paranoid Stalinist purges, brought health, literacy, education, and industry to an enormous, backwards agrarian nation. Illiterate peasants were transformed into educated city dwellers over one or two generations. If socialism was a 'failed' system, it wouldnt have accomplished this, nor would it have stayed in the USSR for generations.
mistarcraw 2 years ago
and as far as the death toll, the culprit is industrialization. This was the major breaking point between Trotsky and Stalin, Trotsky wanted a peaceful and slow transition, while Stalin argued for rapid industrialization since he considered the evolving, industrialized warfare of the rich nations to be highly effective tactic that could easily destroy the new Soviet Union. In my opinion, Stalin seems to have been vindicated after Germany near-defeat of the Soviet Union was reversed.
mistarcraw 2 years ago
if you think the death toll of industrialization was only due to Soviet socialism, then you may have to look at the history of industrialization in capitalist countries. The factors of the Civil War, as well as slavery and native American genocide has a very direct link with the American Industrial Revolution. The British Industrial Revolution even paints a bloodier picture, since it was driven by the natural resources of subjugated colonies, murdering who knows how many millions of people.
mistarcraw 2 years ago
Trotsky was a criminal responsible for civil war and countless atrocities. He did not wanted any positive transition - he wanted Russia dead - it was objective of his rotchild masters. As so as he pretended to be leader of so called permanent revolution which was obvious delusion ad served one thing - destruction of Russia. Stalin did not allowed him and his followers and cleaned them out of USSR - fast modernisation was the only option for USSR to survive to ongoing new war
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
this could very well be, but I haven't researched enough to say. I do know failure of 'permanent revolution' in China after Mao led to massive revisionism and the flourishing of the authoritarian capitalism we see there now, and which could very well be the next phase of capitalism.
mistarcraw 2 years ago
Why does Michael Moore not give an alternative to capitalism, probably because he doesn't have one, he just makes money off of his movies and complains about what is going on in America. I can tell people what I think and expose things but I don't think that left wing radical liberal Hollywood would ever show it.
dmeiske1 2 years ago
Michael Moore cummie scum, hehe
simba8899 2 years ago
Is Michael Moore trying to redefine Capitolism? I alway thought that bailouts were the exact opposite capitolism.... Dam I used to like Michael Moore....
mmyr123 2 years ago 3
wow is that girl kusenichs wife? Shes even hotter than dina!
loren1283 2 years ago
There is no profit in socialism.
No profit, no growth.
Politics is not capitalism.
AcePilot101 2 years ago
Talk about 9/11, you fake liberal, sloppy fat fuck.
paleopeneyes 2 years ago
Michael moore is a missinformed jackass,plain and simple. He, along with about 75% of the population do not understand the meaning of capitolism. The difference is, and always has been, who controls the capital.
Spencerianism 2 years ago
Capitolism?? you fucking moron! You obviously cannot even copy a simple word, so who cares about your Fox News educated ass?
Just do us all a favor and STFU!
mozadek1 2 years ago
And while the people on wall street were definitely fishing for every penny they could get. Those in Washington who colluded, capitulated, or even empowered wall-street to do what they did are the real criminals.
sirellyn 2 years ago
1:35 he is talking about free market capitalism. the code mike wants is don't steal or be fraudulent. 2:40 democracy exists in a free market. the ballots are in the form of spent dollars. fail to provide a product you get "voted" out.
Jicim 2 years ago 3
I agree with you completely Jicim. The main issue is that people don't even realize what capitalism is. And assume that the wheeling and dealing businesses do are capitalism.
Giving bailout money was not capitalism. Having the FED lower the interest rates which creates the bubbles isn't free market capitalism either.
If Micheal Moore wants to create a new paradigm, he has to understand what the old ones are first.
sirellyn 2 years ago
I think have wised up to Moore's bullcrap. They don't want to pluck down 9 bucks of their hard earned capitalist money to make Moore an even wealthier captialist then he already is. It has renewed my faith in the American people.
antilibercrat 2 years ago
It looks like Moore's latest fakeumentary is a dismal failure according to Fox News. It made only 5 milion so far. Gee, ask me if I'm disappointed....NOT!
antilibercrat 2 years ago
Freedom of press in Russia is considered amongst the worst in the world by press freedom organization Reporters Without Borders and is ranked 141st in the world for press freedom in their annual survey.
blackxavior 2 years ago
Put your freedom of press organisations into your ass. I bet you never even saw any russin newspaper don`t ya?
And where was your "free press" when georgians killed ossetians? Oh yes - THEY WAS SCREAMING "RUSSIA INVADES GEORGIA!!" and shut mouth of 12 yo girl telling the truth
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
In America products are bought on merit. 141st ranked media can not possibly compete. That's why they are in a little section with the Mexican newspapers.
blackxavior 2 years ago
Many of the corporations in China are, in fact, American-owned. They moved there for cheap wages. The cost of Obama's healthcare will drive out more corporations and will create more unemployment, debt and despair.
I'm not saying capitalism is perfect, but at least they know how to run a business.
AcePilot101 2 years ago
I can hardly wait to see the movie.
Boomer1949 2 years ago
Memo to Russia: China applied capitalism to improve their society, why don't you try it and stop complaining about the good old USA?
Moore is a clown.
AcePilot101 2 years ago
China didn`t applied any capitalism actualy. All their key enterprise are state owned. China has nothing what USSR did not had. Except that China was tool for USA during cold war since cultural revolution of Mao. So world capital invested there a LOT of money in addition to closing eyes on atrocities of Mao regime.
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Many things are nice in sweden, not some stalin hellfire as some rednecks think. They think only in two extremes, not something in between, its either heaven or hell.. gotta go
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
wtf THAT is his wife!! why would she marry that little twerp!!
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
That's very interesting, now who is that babe??
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
Who is that redhead model babe???
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
Capitalism is all about exploitation of other nations. Communism is all about exploitation of your own nation. I'm for capitalism. The only question is who would exploit whom.
Veter23 2 years ago
Communism is not about any exploitation. It is utopia where people give to society what that can and recieve everything they need. There was no any communism ever in history. USSR was socialist state.
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Debt of your country has little to do with wars. Its roots is just in immence domestic consumption and overinflation.
And that wars you mentioned is so pathetic as so as it was YOU wo started them.
Actualy those wars PROLONGED your economical agony- if there where no Serbia Iraq Afganistan - your financial ponzi scheme would fall just couple of years after USSR disapeared - the "boogieman" bankster mafia feeded you all those decades justifying military overspendings
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
I used to be a socialist, but then I realized that capitalism feeds more people at a higher standard. Not that we need a larger population, but capitalism (with some regulation) tends to be more efficient.
djfinex 2 years ago
Capitalism feeds more people only in certain coutry - if it able to syphon reources from other states leaving them in misery as USA do - thats all.
Socialism is self sufficient
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Please research your statement. The United States is not the only capitalist nation on Earth, but you'll notice that countries like Canada, Australia, New Zeland, etc (No colonies - no stealing resources from poor countries) have moderate capitalist systems (some regulation acts as a buffer), and they seem to be doing well. List for me 3 marxist/communist countries that do half as well - Don't even try to include China; the only reason they have joined the 21st Century is because of capitalism.
djfinex 2 years ago
First of all - it is you who need to research your statement - China NO WAY NEAR capitalist country - actualy even LESS than was USSR.
Canada, Australia New Zeland was NOT in focus of cold war - as so as HAD NO WARS ON THEIR TERRITORY FOR OVER 150 YEARS. As so as they had their share of plunder from other nations made by capitalist empires. Also you need to look at Vietnam. Or even at USSR itself - i bet you barely know what kind of economy it had prior 1986
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
I have nothing against the Russian People, I'm of Slovak decent btw, I do have a problem with communism and heavy handed socialism. Also China is not capitalist, but they employ capitalism in special economic zones (which are more capitalist than anything in the US), hence their several trillion dollar surplus which has allowed them to modernize most of their nation. Capitalism is simply a means of exchange, I think your problem is with Imperialism (USSR was not innocent in that respect).
djfinex 2 years ago
It is not about capitalism or communism or socialism or imperialism where USSR was actualy innocent - we helped to sustain independance for more nations than any body else. Capitalism is works only when it deployed in environment of socialism and final objective of it not to make rich richer and poor poorer. But it is same utopia as communism - bankers will not stop in face of anything in order to gain profit. The only fair system is state`s capitalism (socialism) like in China and USSR
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
Tell that to my dad, or the tens of millions of ethnic Russians and Ukranians that were sent to fucking siberia. Newsflash, the "Russian revolution" was anything but Russian. Communism does not work because it assumes that all people are the same and put in the same amount of effort and skill to recieve an equal amount of reward. Why work hard or contribute when the person next to you is sitting on their ass and you get the same reward?
djfinex 2 years ago
there is 198 countries in the world. Cuba is the only marxist country in the world. according to UN human developing index cuba is the most 48th best country in the world. that means there is 150 capitalist countries doing worse than cuba. and yes capitalist china is at number 112.
NeroroPuj 2 years ago
fucking communist russia cant'compare their way of life with Americas yo sucks. period.
southsudanvoice 2 years ago
Your "level of life" is just illusion. Your DEBT is reality
period
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
will be interesting to see the whole movie. what did Moores come up with again.
mikkitiny 2 years ago
I agree with Michael Moore. We should be smart enough to create a new system from scratch. There are people out there doing it right now. Check out "The Venus Project".
ejohnp90 2 years ago
a system of social justus , freedom and human rights ,, sounds like socialism ,means democary not fraduinlent dictatioursship
first you need to despose of zionisem
OrphanPaper 2 years ago
no i am sparticious
OrphanPaper 2 years ago
If you want to know where your Money is, ask OBAMA?????
Bruce1949919 2 years ago
What really bugs me is that when he talks about how "capitalism" gave us all these bailouts and how people are angry now that we don't know where the money went (I believe they're rightfully angry). But the GOVERNMENT gave us the bailouts. Capitalism doesn't allow bailouts. Capitalism is getting the blame for KEYNESIANISM. I would like to encourage people to study the system of keynesianism, and how current government intervention distorts the free market. What we have is hardly a "free" market.
gilbertl2000 2 years ago