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  • if i ever go to switzerland im going to hit the slopes, drink some hot chocolate, and collide some particles; i wonder if travelocity offers something like this

  • honestly?...

  • that very expensive and they really have a lot of physics there! i hope they understand the universe and share it to us.. :)

  • coxy...!!! :D

  • @mtsw12

    sorry, i was very susceptible to the media that time. so yep, now looking back i sound very ignorant and immature.

  • "we've got PhD honours graduates", etc, etc... yeah, but i'd rather have had a big, brand new, fully specced, fully staffed excellent hospital for every EU nation. because that's what this farce has cost EU taxpayers.

  • @rothkoaintdead Without this "farce" you wouldn't have half the things in a hospital.

  • @9hello123 so you think the LHC project makes more/better equipment and human resources available for medical care across europe. that's not only ill considered; it reveals misguided assumptions about the cost/benefit of big science. people in medicine or healthcare would laugh at you. please evaluate your thoughts before presenting them as statements of fact. i did a lot of evidence gathering on the true total cost of the LHC and it's all in the public domain.

  • @rothkoaintdead If it wasn't for particle accelerators you wouldn't have PET scanners, you wouldn't have the internet, you would have superconductors, you wouldn't have half of the things there is in a hospital. The LHC is brand new and ofcourse it obviously hasn't made discoveries that have made it into application yet, do you honestly think that governments would allow a technology into hospitals after only a couple of months of testing?

  • @rothkoaintdead But saying that the LHC has already helped to develope super conductors for ITER. And good for you "doing a lot of evidence gathering" I know without a shadow of a doubt that unless you have a PhD in particle physics you do not know more about this than me.

  • @9hello123 i'm only claiming to have carefully read and verified facts in the public domain. i also do not claim a superior knowledge. however, in our dialogue, i am making better reasoned and more intelligent comments than you. for this reason alone, my statements are more credible than yours.

  • @9hello123 my initial comment was on socially responsible finance. public medicine, with its high costs and rewards is a good comparator: an unhealthy european workforce would be less able to work hard and multiply the wealth of the elites. this would make europe less competitive in world trade, less economically stable, and more politically vulnerable. we don't need an eventual trickle-down benefit to the public; we need capacity for people to work, spend, and enjoy upward mobility.

  • Can the LHC really replicate the very earliest moments after the universe? Does anyone think it can make black holes, strangelets and vaccum bubbles?

  • @9hello123 im sure Cern is being used to develop weapons for the government. If you dont think so then look at the manhattan project none of them knew the research they were conducting was for weaponization until it was too late.

  • @selftaughtninja

    Have you actually looked at the Manhatton project? The physicists involved knew perfectly well what the results of it could be.

    They also knew perfectly well what the results would be if the Nazi's were able to create a fission bomb.

    Physicists do actually know physics quite well amazingly.

  • @selftaughtninja No one at the manhattan project knew?

    Lol, what do you think they thought they were doing making a device that's only purpose is to completely destroy a large area? Do you think that building a nuclear bomb is easy or something? It's incredibly complicated and they need to know what they are doing. They can't just be told "Yeah go piss about with these elements until something happens"

  • @9hello123 Umm I guess you seem to not know how those black projects are run. There many individual projects all classified as one. So yes most scienticists don't know what the goal is for. Let me give you an example theres a 100 mile fusion reactor I think in france. Yes fusion energy can be used for free energy but more than likely it will be the power source for some weapon that is being worked on somewhere else. There's always two sides. I know lots of examples.

  • @selftaughtninja You know lots of examples yet you've failed to mention one.

    What your saying now is basically the same as the discoverer of metal is the same as making a nuclear bomb, since you need metal for one.

  • @9hello123 hmm are you aware of the 300 letter cap where a person can only summarize what would prolly be a page in like 10 or 12 lines. No you wouldn't be aware of it. Because your vocabulary for insulting only stretches but so far. Second don't make stupid comebacks like the creator of metal. Let me give you an example for your simple brain to understand. Nuclear power aka the splitting of atoms can be used for more than bombs. Matter of fact they power majority of homes.

  • @selftaughtninja The Manhattan project wasn't developing nuclear power. It was developing nuclear bombs. Saying the discoverer of nuclear theory is the same as developing a nuclear bomb is exactly the same as saying the discoverer of metal is the same as developing a nuclear bomb. The Manhattan project was entirely designed to make a nuclear bomb. "Because your vocabulary for insulting" I'm fairly sure I haven't insulted you ,yet you've insulted me and every physicist.

  • @9hello123 Ok your not understanding what I'm saying. I apologize for being insulting. All I'm saying is they lied to those scientists. I know thats what the government does. Because my uncle is a scientists and he tells me they mislead scientists. Some may know the real goal. But not most. Most scientists get lied to so that they build tech.A hadron collider is just a particle accelerator. If used for destruction would be really really bad. Especially a big one connected to a fusion reactor.

  • @selftaughtninja They didn't lie to the Manhattan project. They all knew what they were doing, they all were at the tests for the nuclear bombs and all continued working on it after them. All scientists know what they are researching for three reasons 1) Nearly all scientists work on their own research and they tell the government what they are researching, not the other way around. 2) Physics isn't just something you can start researching without any goal.

  • @selftaughtninja 3) No one knows what research will find out, that's why its research. You can't just research how to make a better weapon.I know what the Hadron Collider is thanks(and it's just not a particle accelerator its a very specific type of particle accelerator).Connected to a fusion reactor?Well for one the hadron collider isn't connected to a fusion reactor. For two it couldn't be because the fusion reactor would just melt and stop being a fusion reactor and just become molten metal.

  • @9hello123 lol.

  • @selftaughtninja France relies heavily on FISSION reactions to sustain their energy needs but, as of yet, fusion reaction is not sustainable. The university of Cambridge in England is the leader in the development of the technology. So far they have only achieved a 40 second reaction. The problem seems to lie in the containment of the high energy plasma. But, I digress. The promise of Fusion energy would be a godsend. and as far as I'm aware of, the joining of atoms is not a threat .

  • @selftaughtninja

    Buddy, I'm not sure where you get your "facts" but even students at MIT knew what they were working on. It's part of their cultrure now and one of the song that upper classmen teach the mewbies harolds their particapation in the manhattan development.

  • @aravenidiot i made that comment a long time ago. And honestly dont care anymore. I doubt anyone knows what the Manhattan project was intentionally meant for but the government. And the military factions that they worked with. We can go back and forth or knowledge that we think we may know but in the end we're both running around in the dark pissing on each other with inadequate information claiming the other person is false indirectly.

  • it will not create a black hole. A very tiny singularity which prolly collapsed on itself.

  • Brian Cox is EPIC

  • Spanish (Original).

    Hola. Yo necesito tu correo electrónico para yo enviarle a usted una nueva idea acerca de una posible nueva ecuación para la energía cinética relativista. Gracias por tu atención. Atentamente: José Gregorio Guevara Pérez desde la ciudad de Valencia, pais Venezuela. Mi correo electrónico es JGGP36@Yahoo.com.

  • English language, translated from the Spanish language by Babel Fish.

    Hello. I need your electronic mail I to send to you a new idea about a possible new equation for the relativistic kinetic energy. Thanks for your attention. Kindly: Jose Gregorio Guevara Perez from the city of Valencia, Venezuela country. My electronic mail is JGGP36@Yahoo.com.

  • This is crazy if they perform this, black hole can be created on Earth and cause Doomsday.

  • @kimjasonvega

    It has been running for over a year now.

    Sorry to disappoint but you are not going to be getting your doomsday; however much you wish for it.

  • So whats the latest on the search for the higgs boson? Have we found it yet?

    Also here is the worst physics joke ever...

    A higgs-boson walks into a church, the priest says “we don’t allow higgs-bosons in here.”

    The higgs-boson says “but without me how can you have mass?"

  • "imaging radars" +"mathforum" google.com.

  • all this "God" shit is fucking stupid. if you guys think there is a a man or a woman that has unworldly powers and he decides who lives and who dies then you are fucking retarded. i think the big bang makes more sense of how the universe was created than some fucking man sitting in the sky, controlling everything. all you bible pushers go fuck yourself, because there is no god.

    /rant

  • CERN is not only the largest scientific research laboratory in the world, CERN was also created to do research on weapons that will be used in the near future ...

    if I'm wrong but someone will have heard about the plasma rifle ....

  • @91Skulboy

    You are wrong.

    CERN is a civilian research organization which is unfortunate in a way as it means it has to struggle for funds.

    Perhaps you should look into what it actually does?

  • @ytmoog What makes you think that this potential is exploited only for scientific research? :)

  • @91Skulboy

    Because there is absolutely no non-scientific reason for using the LHC.

    But it is however essential for current research into particle physics and cosmology.

    It is also worth noting that there are scientists from most of the countries on the planet working there.

  • @ytmoog

    I know. CERN is also in secret weapons research .. and almost close to inventing the plasma rifle

  • @91Skulboy

    So secret you know all about it yet have absolutely no evidence.

    Amazing.

    Come back when you have something interesting rather than fiction.

  • @91Skulboy LMFAO

  • @9hello123 what ?

  • @91Skulboy almost close to inventing the plasma rifle... Fucking idiot.

  • @9hello123 the idiot here is you .. did you read what I wrote to others or not?

     I wrote that are very close to inventing the plasma rifle .... asshole shit. XD

  • @91Skulboy I'm calling you an idiot because you say they are very close to inventing the plasma rifle you absolute moron.

  • @9hello123 use your brain. I'm not saying tomorrow will come on the market the plasma rifles .... because it is impossible .. I'm saying that they are neighbors in the sense that 10 years from now there may be the first directed energy weapons ... and know that this project and for many years that goes on ..... thanks to CERN now that mankind will make great strides in technology ...

  • @91Skulboy You're saying CERN is involved in weapons research, which it clearly doesn't. Yes, CERN will make great strides in technology however not towards plasma rifles. And plasma isn't "directed energy".

  • @9hello123 What makes you think that a huge potential as CERN is not being used for military purposes? I am confused I have said before that the plasma rifle and directed energy ... the plasma rifle shoots bullets of energy composed of electrically charged matter composed of electrons, neutrons and protons. All this happens through a process of air ionization.

  • @91Skulboy You know what? I'm just going to leave this argument, there's no discussion with people like you.

  • @9hello123 I too think we should leave this topic ..... I can not convince by force ... I think as I said ... Think of it as you want.

  • @ytmoog If it wasn't for the LHC PET scanners (which have saved countless lives) would never of been invented. Neither would a lot of current methods of cancer treatment, the internet would be a lot slower and more than likely to slow for it to ever of become commercial.

  • what if this right here is the answer to every movie ever made.

    In 2012, we successfully create a universe and destroy the one we live in. And it's all just part of the architect's plan to create a perfect universe.

  • Wowowowowowow Hold up....

    How could the "Big Bang" be created out of nothing if there was nothing in the universe at the time even the universe didn't exist nothing was there so what created the big bang? NOTHING. God created the universe not some myth of the "Big Bang". For something to be created you need a creator (God) and the creator has to be eternal so that means nothing created God he was always there and always will be.

    People never learn untill they go to far and can't undo it.

  • @adzii1 God would be just as much reductio ad infinitum as the universe. According to your logic, I could postulate that God was created by a pink fluffy unicorn and think that'd somehow be a valid answer.

  • @adzii1 alright i agree with all of wat u just said just one thing the big bang was how good created this world so yes there was nothing before that god created this bag bang therfore the universe, are knowledge will be based on wat did god create for the big bang and how

  • I'm just saying ... the religious orders say "Prove to me he does not exist" and scientist say” Prove to me he does exist.” Why not come together with this experiment and see what happens? Each wants an answer....

  • In the Opinion section of New Scientist/ Feb. 2010 - there was an article that Cern was on trial for wanting to recreate the Big bang. Many faith believers opposed it. WORRIED scientist would create the black hole eliminating us as a whole. What I am getting at is :If These believers have unmoving faith in their creator Why petition (injunction ) against the experiment? Science has long proven their work saving lives and moving forward. Where is the trust in their faith- their creator?

  • @Pepper4001

    "In the Opinion section of New Scientist/ Feb. 2010..."

    Which issue in Feb? New Scientist is a weekly.

  • In the Opinion section of the New Scientist mag. Feb. 2010 - there was an article that Cern was on trial for wanting to recreate the Big bang. Many faith believers opposed it. WORRIED scientist would create the black hole eliminating us as a whole. What I am getting at is :If These believers have unmoving faith in their creator Why petition (injunction ) against the experiment? Science has long proven their work saving lives and moving forward. Where is the trust in their faith- their creator?

  • In the Opinion section of the New Scientist mag. Feb. 2010 - there was an article that Cern was on trial for wanting to recreate the Big bang. Many faith believers opposed it. WORRIED scientist would create the black hole eliminating us as a whole. What I am getting at is :If These believers have unmoving faith in their creator - Why petition (injunction ) against the experiment? Science has long proven their work saving lives and moving forward. Where is the trust in their faith- their creator?

  • I'm not exactly a physicist, I am a Math major at a CA university. My question about this process is how can the collision show details of the big bang? I was under the impression that the big bang was an explosion that came from nothing. But here in the LHC, there are particles in existance that collide.

  • @ayers007

    What they are actually doing is replicating the energy levels which would have existed a (tiny) fraction of a second after the big bang.

  • Science sucks. Jesus is god.

  • 4 Tesla! Wow!

  • Particle Physicists must sound INSANE to normal/dumb people.

    And they are...

    That's the funny thing.

    I worship the Atom, Join the church or Science, It's the only 'religion' that's TRUE!

    sorry, i'm on acid, i;m elated by this stuff.

  • you can ask me how the universe works or the aliens or the ghosts or a number of multidimensional people, but maybe the ghosts don't understand and the aliens might tear your face off, so you might want to just ask me, but i only know about different dimensoins but that might only guide you.

  • Too much advertising everywhere. Too much excitement everywhere.

  • how old is this boy?

    I you kill us with your childish sense of things i will kill you!

  • @RobertSpunkt

    Brian Cox?

    He's in his 40s.

    You should relay to him that he should no longer be enthusiastic about his work.

  • @ytmoog

    and you should do nothing at all.

  • It's a shame that this eems to be the extent of the documentation. Scientists are inherintly shortsighted. Hire 10 artists. Hire ten thinkers. 1 good artist could turn LHC into a decade and a half long festival. Kinda weird considering that they are the reason we can say so. Why such limp media? This vid is great, don't get me wrong, but shouldn't Cern be ranked higher than Kid Rock by now? =)

  • Gate in some beings from the dimension Nympho CERN please.

  • google Doe's Account, Its insane.

  • This has to be the dumbest experiment ever. As a student of physics, and mathematics, I don't need to know about the big bang. I don't need to create a mini big bang or black hole which may swallow half the earth. I can't believe how excited and naiive this guy is. What a joke.

  • Best LHC film on youtube...

    watch?v=2StRb3F0j6k

  • Leave, leave Geneva every last one of you,

    Saturn will be converted from gold to iron,

    RAYPOZ will exterminate all who oppose him,

    Before the coming the sky will show signs

  • this stuff gives me a hadron.

  • @lesorciercalifornien hahahahaha Best comment yet.

  • hey guys any updates on LHC? i dont see anything yet

  • @samgee2007 Swiss Alps are trembiling, Volcano's erupting in Iceland, Nothing to do with Particle acceleration though, hey our lights just blinked..

  • @ShortyScooby This speed is achieved with a series of high powered magnets, hence the name "proton accelerator".

  • Yes, but not to speeds beyond light.

  • What I don't understand is at 1:35

    He says the protons travel the circuit 50,000 per second. One circuit is 27km in circumference.

    So the protons travel a distance of 50,000 * 27,000 metres in one second. Therefore its speed is 1,350,000,000 m/s.

    Speed of light, however, is only ~300,000,000 m/s.

    How are these protons travelling 4 and a half times the speed of light?

  • @ShortyScooby I don't understand either. At full speed of LHC protons will run almost as fast as light but of course not faster.

  • 5000 cycles a second would be more understandable I guess- maybe a slip of the tongue?

    But I've heard this statistic from more than one source =\

  • @ShortyScooby You're absolutely right. Brian worked at FermiLab before, with its smaller ring and that's where he got the 50K from. Misplaced memory :)

  • @HiAdrian Ahh ok- Thanks Adrian! I figured something was amiss :P

    May I ask if you have an affiliation at all with the CERN project?

  • truths? Do they tell you all matter is vibrating energy in school? That everything is energy -

  • you mean it was planned way before they PLANNED the economic crisis?

  • date has relly set .lhc is restarting next thursday

  • For space projects, a great advance.

  • all that happens is theytry to compress matter to a condition like the big bang. Then watch the magic unfold as it explodes

  • Please don't talk about that which you do not understand, neanderthal.

  • and I bet, this project would have the least amount of religious-based scientists to work on.

  • Why don't these people go feed the poor?

  • There's a hidden agenda behind this experiment anyway. Why spend billions during an economic crisis for an experiment unless it hold great significance to the near future. Ask Nasa

  • this had been planned way before the economic crisis

  • I don't know but I have a bad feeling it's too complex and it will never work..

  • It already has been working well.

  • It has alread been operational, at 1.18 TeV per beam (previous record was 450 GeV per beam).

    CERN undergoes an annual shutdown every year at the peak months of energy consumption (people heating their homes in the winter).

    It will begin operation again on Feb 20/2010, at scaled up energies of 3.5 TeV per beam

  • how do you know if its on the 20th of feb?

  • @mdma4life hey, mdma4life! still here promoting this crap? gotten any pussy in the last year or two? Awwww, that's too bad! I'll send you my paralysed, demented sister's address. just say when you're coming. i'll be sure to leave the door open.

  • @rothkoaintdead

    "hey, mdma4life! still here promoting this crap?"

    The comment of mine that you just replied to was posted over a year ago

    "gotten any pussy in the last year or two? Awwww, that's too bad! I'll send you my paralysed, demented sister's address"

    ... Have you EVER gotten any? Judging by the way you talk you must be a punk ass kid. Did they just teach you sex ed in school today? Taking out your sexual frustration on random youtube users? GJ, thumbs up

  • @mdma4life um not trying jump in your business or anything but this comment is fucked up "gotten any pussy in the last year or two? Awwww, that's too bad! I'll send you my paralysed, demented sister's address"

    what the fuck is wrong with you? I understand he may be a prick for bringing up old shit but that was completely unnecessary . But whatever do you.

  • when is this machine finish?

  • It is planned to run for 10 years or so, with an upgrade half way.

  • It is also built for the future, with upgradable cache, a 512 MB RAM slot, and a built in modem. This thing also has a ceiling tv in the tubes with all episodes of Seinfeld, for the protons, while they travel. Because even protons get bored.

  • You gotta love how they can't even predict themselves what is going to happen (secrets of the universe lmao) yet everyone claims it's ''of course, perfectly safe.''

    Must be a sublime level of logic I have yet to attain.

  • It is called 'knowledge',

    Cosmic rays have been hitting the planet for billions of years, many of which at energies vastly higher than anything the LHC will manage.

    In short there is absolutely no evidence of any danger from this, and plenty of observational evidence that it is safe.

  • protons go around about 10 thousand times per second in the tunnel

  • This is the story of earth. A birthplace to an ancient and now extinct civilization - Humans. Then, an experiment took place in Cern, in mid 2008. Its purpose was to prove the existence of an elusive and fundamental particle of the Universe by many refered to as GOD particle. The results of that experiment were devastating, causing a rip in the universal fabric. Within moments gravity colapsed giving rise to a massive black hole that slowly engulfed Their entire star system.
  • FYI, the experiment is YET to be performed... and I predict the elusive Higg's Bosson will never be found... because the fundamental theory of atoms has some serious flaws everyone chooses to ignore. Darn the inconvenient flaws, they're such a nuisance, aren't they?

    And no universes will collapse as a result of the experiments at Cern.

  • Are you being sarcastic or something? I can't tell.

  • No im not being sarcastic

  • Personally, I believe the "Big Bang" theory will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in the entire history of physics. The very notion is misguided and ludicrous, IMO. That said, it should be interesting to see if anything comes out of this very expensive paperweight.

    Just my opinion. I believe the basic atomic concept is seriously flawed... it is based upon concepts that are so full of holes they will never be plugged until a complete rethink of reality is formed. But... good luck.

  • its funny, because the same concepts you think are "flawed" and "full of holes" were applicated in the building of the machine you have in front of you, a computer, and also support the mechanism you are using to express yourself, the internet.

  • If that is what you think, you really have no understanding of sub-atomic physics AT ALL (not even a little bit)... or you just don't "get" what I said. Atom smashing and the search for theoretical "particles" is an interesting experiment, but it will never (in my opinion) find what is being looked for because the fundamental theory of atoms is flawed. I won't bore you with the details.

  • so you are an expert in physics? do you understand whats going on in the processor in your pc?

  • Yes, I'm entirely familiar with most all things electronic. I was building single line telephone systems (one conductor, only, between sets) as a boy scout at age 13. i was building amplifiers by age 15... this was before the transistor was brand new. Just because a theory finds applications does not prove it is entirely correct. IMO there is a fundamental flaw in the conventional view of atomic structure... that is my opinion.

    You don't know what you are talking about... IMO.

  • "To deny Ether is ultimately to assume the empty space is not (with) physical quality. The fundamental facts of (quantum) mechanics do not harmonize with this view. According to the General Relativity, space is embodied with physical quality. In this sense, therefore, there exists Ether. According to General Relativity, space without Ether is unthinkable"... quote by Albert Einstein.

    The point is, atom smashers don't take into account the existence of an "Ether" and, thus, will not work.

  • Yet the fact is that 'atom smashers' have been used and worked very well for decades.

    You really don't seem to know what you are talking about.

  • You don't get what I'm trying to say, but it doesn't matter. They can smash protons together 'till the cows come home and it won't prove much of anything because the concept is fundamentally flawed. What would make the experiment more useful is to install neutron and helium detection units... I predict atom smashers will produce both... if the beam energy can be raised to a high enough level.

  • The concept has been extremely successful over the last 50 years.

    And many new particles have been discovered in this way.

    "neutron and helium" are pointless. We know those exist :)

    And the LHC will produce neither, the energies are two high.

    Nor would they want to.

  • Your reply indicated, to me, you REALLY don't get it, nor have much understanding of particle physics, quantum physics, or string theory. So I won't waste any more words on you. You are brain-locked into you system of beliefs and would make a very poor scientist.

  • All of your posts indicate to me that you are completely ignorant of particle physics.

    And have entirely missed the value of supporting evidence.

    The concept far from being 'flawed' has been amazingly successful over the last 50 years. And has vastly increased our understanding of matter and physics.

    To deny that is futile, and ignorant.

  • that makes you an expert on physics? I've taken 6 courses of modern physics at university, yet that was only the introductory courses (because im not a physicist), and im happy to declare, i dont know about modern physics.

    Cmon pick a book phisics (introductory if you want) and read something before speaking about things you know nothing about.

  • *book physics

  • You are an idiot. I said it, I mean it. I don't waste time on morons... goodbye.

  • Quantum mechanics are flawed, you do realize that right. It took many years for those trained under classical principles to say that the universe operated under probability, something Einstein found very disturbing. BTDUBS Quantum mechanics wasn't necessarily applied in computing or the internet (ok maybe solid state physics, but still not the high energy stuff)