I have known her since we were 15, and she is such an amazing person. She puts into words what most dont want to or are afraid to say. She was that way when we were teenagers.
There are 14 year olds giving birth and there are many more coming if the GOP has their way. No excuses! You want to dictate uterus policy, play God, you better start adopting now
Yeah Lauren! So happy to see you are still such a powerful spoken word artist. I still have that CD you gave me about 7 or 8 years ago. Much love and support. XO
I have tears in my eyes. I've never been a proponent of abortion, but it's always been a personal conviction of mine which I'd never force on another woman, especially one of a different faith or one whose awful experience left her broken and smarting. What are these OK legislators thinking? You, my sister, performed this beautifully. Thank you for your words.
My dad was really abusive. Mom was too scared to run away.
Well, as you can see, she refused to do the abortion. Within a couple of years after I was born he finally left us. She raised me alone. Thank you, my dear mother, for letting me live, even if I'm a child from a man you hated. But I still think women should be allowed the choice to have the baby or to do the abortion.
Oh and one last thing, these ultrasounds can be used for other things other than "emotional blackmail", for example determining the stage of pregnancy so the correct termination method can be used, checking the health of the pregnant woman and her uterus etc.
@EmmaBlue2 Even if all of that is true, I'd like to see you explain why you think lawmakers have the right to force women to see an ultrasound and hear the heartbeat. I think you'd find that there is no reason for it except to make an already horrible, difficult decision more emotionally painful for women.
CONT It's pretty clear that "women's reproductive rights" are still in tact here. I can't see how having an ultrasound before an abortion is such a bad thing. And I say that with an objective point of view because I sit on the fence where Abortion is concerned. The only people who have a problem with this are those who think they would not be strong enough to go ahead if they heard the heartbeat. It just makes me wonder that if they're that easily swayed, should they even be having the abortion?
@EmmaBlue2 They require a trans-vaginal ultrasound. That requires a possible rape victim to pay money, to strip naked and expose her violated parts to a stranger, who will then introduce an object into her vagina. THINK ABOUT THAT.
@shamantrainer So because some women conceived through carelessness, and/ or the fact that the local 'pro-lifers' ( a misnomer if there ever was one ) shut down the local planned parenthood clinic and they no longer have a place to get affordable birth control, that justifies subjecting even ONE violated woman to this?
@morticiamom1 yes it does. I know the old ism of "better to let 1,000 go free than let an innocent be condemned" but that thought is not practical, and abortion IS murder. There is no use of terminology or rigging of situational context that can change that. "what if the woman fell and accident blahblabla" it doesnt matter. In the civilized world, there is no justification for homicide. Abortion is termination of life. Thats it. violation or carelessness doesnt fit in the equation.
@shamantrainer And forcing a person to serve another 'person' since you insist on causing even a mass of undifferentiated cells that) is slavery. Do you know how many pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions? I was abused, and because of that abuse, and the stress it engendered, lost many pregancies.
@morticiamom1 When I finally left him, and sought help with the baby I was carrying, the only help anyone offered was to sign me up for food stamps and medicaid (options many 'pro-lifers' want to cut BTW) and made me sit and watch a video about how all the fetuses I lost were babies. Just ONCE I would like to see one of you walk in the shoes of the women you shame, or even offer real support or assistance. If men weren't allowed to walk away scot free, abortion would disappear.
@morticiamom1 Im not a microbiologist, and neither are you, but science 101 teaches us every living thing is "a mass of undifferentiated cells". If it breathes, its a mass of cells. Second, im not sure what is being argued. Women with a history of abuse shouldnt have kids? Im not understanding. Im not saying some situations arent difficult. What i am saying is abortion is murder. There is no getting around this. The solution to a bad situation isnt to kill someone else. Born or not
@shamantrainer Intelligence and consciousness do not spring fully formed out of nothing at the moment of conception. Killing living organisms that lack these qualities isn't murder. Abortion is not murder.
@IamBHM ok then killing a 1 year old is just fine. it isnt concious of its surroundings, isnt intelligent either. Ever see an abortion? Looks like a murder to me.
@shamantrainer wow, i'm blown away by your astounding intellect... do tell me more.
by the way, the video you mentioned isn't in my favourites, it was the last one i uploaded, on top of that, she doesn't belong to me so your pathetic attempt to anger me has fallen flat on it's arse :)
I think there maybe some confusion as to the reasoning behind the bill. The lawmakers in question should clear this up before anyone starts ranting or raving about anything.
I would like to draw attention to the description. It states that Oklahoma legislators "are trying so hard to take away women's reproductive rights". From what I can see, they have not outlawed abortion, nor have they brought in forced sterilisation of women. Women are still allowed to have an abortion if they want. CONT
I believe it was George Carlin who said, when commenting on conservative anti-women legislation, "If you're pre-born it's all good. If you're pre-school, you're fucked."
You're poem was clear, articulate, and powerful. Thank you for posting.
No its not. It is inside my body. With it being inside my body, I have the right to do as I see fit. As this poem states: a rape victim has to carry that fetus? No. That is as unjust as someone pushing their religious ideals on others. Keeping religious out of politics ensures all ppl can execute their right to do as they see fit with their own body. As someone stated before: don't like abortion? Don't have one. Not understanding why ppl are so obsessed with my vagina and uterus. Kinda gross lol
Once again, MY organs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however that doesn't mean you can keep me from doing what I see fit with my own body. Blessed Be.
So beautiful. Thank you for doing this poem. It is when others are silent that evil succeeds. Thank you for speaking out and saying what needs to be said. For those who don't believe in abortion- don't get one. Stay out of my organs. MY BODY, MY CHOICE.
@GesseritSpice Ok, and with your body, do what you please. I wont stop you from committing suicide. Its the baby inside your organs people are caring about.
Is there 1 "woman" on here who can explain to me exactly how terminating the growth of a human, dependent on the mother for sustenance, is a legitimate "choice"? I need a solid argument, not seeing 1
Progressive lawmakers should introduce a bill requiring lawmakers who decide legislation that limits a woman's RIGHT to Privacy about HER body must view this video first. All lawmakers, especially male lawmakers, should be forced to see how their laws destroy a Woman's Constitutional Right to Privacy... at home, at the doctor's office or her vajayajay!
@MortQ42 Tell me what you would do right now, if your mother sat you down in quiet and informed you she was raped a long time ago, and you were that child. Would you (or any "pro choicer" who flies the rape flag proudly) immediately commit suicide? You wouldnt want her to live with the shame would you? Or be a product of rape? The rape issue holds no ground, as the party who suffers for it is not the one who was guilty of any wrongdoing. The fetus is a human, the procedure kills it.
@shamantrainer If she wanted me "gone", I'd oblige by disappearing out of her life. She'd have made the choice to have me, now I'm here, and I make my own choices.
@shamantrainer I visited Romania shortly after overthrow of a dictator who wanted a huge army. Women were forced to have babies they couldn't care for & thousands ended up warehoused in orphanages. I visited 1 with a ward of 'coat hanger' deformed babies. If a ruthless dictator can't prevent back ally abortions, no civilized country can. Why not use billions spent on this issue to help young mothers, unwanted infants (currently 150 MILLION streetkids worldwide) & promote love instead of hate?
@shamantrainer It is about my body and the key word here is " forming ", not " formed " , not just human, but 'forming', implying that it is not a full human and there for a part of the mother's body. We calculate life beginning at the time a baby exits the womb and takes a breath of air, not at time of conception. Before that time, it is essentially nothing but a parasite inside the mother, living off her. Women should have the right to CHOOSE what to do with the parasite.
This is so beautiful! All women should stand up against these sexist Republicans and fight for our rights. We are the women, not the male panel of religious men that will decide our fate. You are inspirational.
I don't have words to express how much I agree with everything you said, and how closely I can relate to it as well. You are a beautiful person and we need to fight against the insanity.
Wow! Beautiful and amazing and powerful, and sad. And so spot on! After all the intellectual discussions and news stories, this is by far the most compelling piece I've seen! Straight from the heart! And your pain and anger touched my heart. And I'm a guy. Thank you!
Awesome video! Keyword: relief from their morality. The anti-women, misogynistic, religious right-wing morality. THIS is what we need. I kid you not. I am sick and tired, sick, tired, you hear me? Sick and tired to have religious morality imprinted on my body when those passing those laws can so easily get away when they get women pregnant. Enough. This must stop.
Save us ALL from their morality... their paternalism, their smugness, their self-righteousness, their wage slavery, their wars, and their Empires. God help us every one. God bless us every one.
Does anyone take into account the CRAZY amount of LOVE that never exists in a mother's life until they have their child? All of that love that could have been in your life is gone. But is the trauma of the rape erased? If lawmakers can't tell you what to do with your body, can your mother tell you that you should not BREATHE for ANY reason? It would make more sense to kill the rapist, or his mother who raised him, or his friends who encouraged him, or his dog. LOVE would have changed everything.
@amaralove3 And if the woman dies, because she, like me, has a body that can not carry another child, thus leaving her other children, motherless...what then? As for your pie-in-the-sky answer that love answers all...are YOU going to be there? How many women who are victims of rape and domestic violence are YOU helping? How many young mothers are YOU taking time from your day to volunteer to help them? If the answer is less than ALL OF THEM, then you have nothing to contribute.
You go girl!! I had a couple kids 25 and 24yrs ago but if I got pregnant today, I would like to know I would have the option to terminate. You could hook me up with 10 ultrasounds and I still would be on my way to the clinic. One thing that I don't see mentioned is WHO is paying for all of this?? The state, right? The do gooders and the religious fanatics who want this should be paying for this, not us.
@amaralove3 This is a smug, arrogant comment. To suggest that people without children do no experience intense amounts of love in their life is very high handed. We all experience love, or don't, in our lives. A child is no guarantee of a " CRAZY amount of LOVE " Plus, keeping a child for that reason is extremely selfish.
Thank you for this despite all the "People Who Have All The Answers But No Experience." Geez get a room with your religion. Im a prochoice advocator and my mother is a prolife one. We dont act that crappy to each other. We find solutions.
@BVanAlphen YES!!! People have all the answers to tell women they cannot choose what to do with a pregnancy, but then have no answers in how to help a mother who cannot support a child, emotionally or financially, when they are forced to have the child and live in poverty. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.
@eustacia42 yeah, i made too much sense and dumbasses cant handle that. Plus i mentioned that slam poetry died a lonely meaningless death in Seattle back in 1994 and only negro wanna be liberal dykes attempt it these days. Better flag and flag quickly.
@eustacia42 but hey if you want to support murdering babies, thats ok. im not trying to change your mind. Just dont call it a "reproductive right". I know your angry. its ok. i flagged you
@eustacia42 The problem is, shamantrainer isn't spam. He's a deeply hateful person with such terribly misogynistic opinions that he's a disgrace to the word "shaman". I would never discourage another person from flagging him, but I choose to pray for him instead. He's sad and lost and angry.
@howdidienduphere hahaha, hateful? Explain, you are really going to have to leave zanadu for 10 seconds and explain how claiming that a child has a right to live and that a woman getting drunk and fucking some stranger, then living with the consequences makes ME an angry person.
@eustacia42 why? he's the only one on here that can speak logically and realistically, as opposed to people thinking that killing another living thing is "a choice" because they're too goddamned stupid to know EXACTLY what it is theyre doing.
Again, listen to this poem closely. A shitty person made a shitty choice, doesnt want the responsibility of raising a child, anticipates being a shitty mother who will raise a delinquent and would prefer to kill it instead of changing herself. Pro choice? what kind of joke is that. Choose better, choose to raise the child, choose to endure the hardships. What kind of joke is relabeling opting out as a "choice"
@shamantrainer Again, listen to this poem closely. A young woman made a decision to trust her boyfriend while she had a few drinks, was raped and became pregnant as a result. She knows the statistics related to teen mothers - particularly when the father is absent, as is this man. Abortion is not murder. Abortion is performed on a lump of cells before they are scientifically considered a living organism.
@Garfield4341 she wasnt raped, she wanted "acceptance" and willingly got drunk. Secondly not every single woman who walks into the abortion room was forcibly raped. That is a myth and a number worth researching. Also, its not a "lump of cells" Lumps of cells are all you and I are also, according to science, which by the way i fully accept. It is an organism forming, it will one day at some point become a full fledged human. It wont become that because its life is stopped aka murder
@shamantrainer Exactly, it will some day be more then a lump of cells, a fully formed human! SOMEDAY! But, not while still in the mother's womb. Would you rather have children being dumped in dumpsters or growing up in foster care where they can become criminals??? Grow a brain.
@Veetoria a 9 week old fetus (which is usually when most abortions occur) has arms, legs, ears, eyes, mouth, nose, internal organs, genitalia and a heartbeat. sounds pretty fuckin human to me, regardless of its location.
@Niika6666 Because being forced to carry a fetus to term after a RAPE is a constant violent reminder of the crime. Women have dominion over their own bodies.
@Moarbiscuits So if those women ever were to find out that they were conceived from rape, a secret the mother never told her for example, could we then logically conclude she should commit suicide? Dont want to be a living reminder after all right? Sure, women have dominion over their own bodies, key word THEIR OWN, murdering a life force is not their body. Want a solution to the "abortion in case of rape" dilemma? Kill the rapist not the baby. There, i solved your problem.
@shamantrainer The rapist in most cases gets off because "the woman asked for it". Good old fashioned slut-shaming. ESPECIALLY in backwoods Bible-belt states like Oklahoma. And if the woman kills him either while he is in the act or anytime thereafter, she will be charged, at the minimum, with manslaughter. Rapists typically get shorter jail sentences than burglars. That makes no sense. Violate my home? 6 years. Violate my body? 6 months.
@Garfield4341 I dont think you can adequately claim most rapists get off. I dont have those statistics and i dont think you do either. Its not readily available information, but not impossible to get. Rape is charged with a minimum of 6 or 7 years last i checked, in most states at least. Ill be the first to say there is a lot of disparity in who does and does not receive just punishments, but the unborn baby didnt ask how to be conceived. He shouldnt take either parents punishment.
@Niika6666 I am sure it is an option for people and many do give children up for adoption. The issue is that the man gets to walk around, get on with his life, having not to even think about the issue again. The women needs to carry the child for 9 months, deal with the health issues, the physical pain, the nausea, it impacts her career, her future. People call her names, think differently of her, etc...while the man walks around like nothing happened.
@Veetoria Now, what if the man and woman, i dont know. Were somehow...together? Before she had sex with him? I mean, could solve an issue or two i dont know. Im insane but it might work.
@shamantrainer That is not always a guarantee of a happy, healthy life..keep that in mind. At the same time, the issue still stands. The man gets to walk away at any time and forget it happened. The women doesn't. And in most cases of abortion, that is what has happened.
@Veetoria so basically your main complaint is about MEN getting away with knocking a chick up. "people call her names"? maybe she's being called names because she put out on the first date and got pregnant. that kind of shit disappears after a while, but if it's known that she had an abortion, the names are far worse and people do think differently of her, as in "wow, what a sack of shit, she killed her kid so she can continue partying. she's probably gonna get knocked up AGAIN".
@Jkirk3279 why? for telling it like it is? why are people so dumb to see what's in front of their faces? why are they so stupid to take a subject like murder and call it something else like abortion and expect it to be ok? if a woman "chooses" to have a "procedure" done that literally dismembers a body while it's in HER body, then by that token, she could "choose" to dismember that same body while it's in the next room crying. there is no difference between the 2 except for location.
oh heres another one "You wouldnt have had a + sign if you didnt have sex with someone who didnt give a fuck about you. If you were so PRO CHOICE, you do a terrible job with sexual partners, skank. LOL" damn i am a true wordsmith!!! thumbs this!!!
I loved this. NOBODY knows what they will do until they are put in a situation. Women don't chose to end a pregnancy for fun. They aren't skipping their way into the hospital. I know people who thought they would never chose abortion over adoption or keeping it, until it happened to them. And watching my best friend go through this has changed my mind forever. Pro-choice!
I know this has nothing to do with this video but I have a problem I can't see why our law makers and government want to
Reward criminals instead of those who don't break the law like instead of focusing on us who need jobs they are trying to give jobs to prisoners they say it helps reduce uninployment and gives a tax break to businesses a ten thousand dallar tax break give me a break.
@lorenei I find it absolutely despicable when someone values potential human life (read: not a baby. It hasn't been born.) over that of a living, breathing human being.
@foryoublue94 We are not talking about valuing someone's quality of life here but life itself. In over 99% of cases the mother gets to live whether she gives birth to the baby or gets an abortion, the baby isn't so lucky as abortion to him/her means certain death.
@foryoublue94 In most instances, no one forced her to conceive the child. Also, the fetus is a human life in its first stage. An infant is not an adult, but that doesnt make killing one more logical than the other.
@shamantrainer Honestly, I'm not even going to argue about this on here. I'm very passionate about this issue and I think that arguing on youtube is just not a good idea. Also I respect this poem too much.This is my last comment. These arguments usually boil down to "you shouldn't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant." Firstly, sex is not a contract for pregnancy. Just as driving a car is not a contract for crashes. Second, you don't get to decide what I do with my body. Period. Thanks =3
@foryoublue94 Ok, but crashes are accidents. The main designation for sex is to create a child. So again, dont have sex if you dont want to the responsibility. I dont get to decide about your body, but laws are installed to make sure lives arent ended at the hands of others. Abortion is just that. There is no getting around this.
@foryoublue94 Getting pregnant is a NATURAL result of sex whereas a car crash is not a natural result of driving a car. Car crashes often take lives, being pregnant creates a life... apples to oranges. Also no one cares what you do with YOUR body, if you want to dye your hair or get tattooed on 90% of it that's not illegal, but the baby inside a mother's womb is not HER body, it has separate DNA, organs etc. so by all biological standards it is a separate body.
@lorenei Getting pregnant isn't always a natural result of sex. Furthermore, you're confusing a stage of development with existence. If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one.
@xoxTiaBELLAxox Getting pregnant is always a potential result of heterosexual sex, everyone knows this when they decide to have sex, so if you are ready to have sex you should be ready to become a parent as it is always a possibility with sex. I'm not confusing anything. I'm sorry but that argument just doesn't work - If you don't agree with murder just don't kill! If you don't agree with stealing just don't steal! You get the idea...
@lorenei getting pregnant could also be a NATURAL result of getting raped? and are still not ready for parent hood, plus what about the girls with medical complications that FORCE them to get an adoption? are you saying they should have to see and hear the baby that they are being forced to abort? i just think its wrong is all and you need to take in all aspects of this before making that argument, as it does not work.
@ZombieGameSurvival Abortions due to rape and to save a mother's life constitute less than 1% of all abortions so it is a very bad argument in my opinion but one that is often used by the pro-choice people. I do think it is a good idea to consider everything on a case by case basis but in the VAST majority of cases abortions are done for social reasons and that's a fact.
@lorenei That's a fact, is it? Where are your statistics? And did they take into account that most rapes go unreported?
Also, "social reasons?" May I ask what that constitutes? Is not wanting to bring a child into a world where no one has enough time for them a "social reason?" What if you had other plans? Maybe you wanted to ADOPT your children and give a child who wouldn't otherwise have one a home? Maybe you wanted to travel the world doing charity work? Are these social reasons?
@JessieKateRose You can't link to external sources in youtube comments but I will email you the link to official UK statistics in a PM.
And yes the examples you gave are social reasons - the fact that you want to travel or adopt in the future doesn't justify killing your own child. Doing good deeds doesn't relieve someone's responsibility for their bad ones. (Continued...)
@JessieKateRose Otherwise if you were being accused of murder in a court of law you could easily say "But you honor I'm a nice guy, I give to charity, I killed this rich dude so that I could give more money to charity I swear!" but as you know that still wouldn't relieve the person of responsibility for killing someone.
@foryoublue94 It's not like women spontaneously get pregnant, in over 99% of cases they get pregnant from having CONSENSUAL sex. A baby is always a potential result of sex - just how our biology works, so everyone knows that "risk" when they decide to sleep with someone. Why should a human life die because of someone's choice? It's not like someone forcefully implants something into a woman's body and then "forces her to house it".
@foryoublue94 It's not like women spontaneously get pregnant, in over 99% of cases they get pregnant from having CONSENSUAL sex. A baby is always a potential result of sex - just how our biology works, so everyone knows that "risk" when they decide to sleep with someone. Why should a human life die because of someone's choice? It's not like someone forcefully implants something into a woman's body and then "forces her to house it".
@lorenei The life of a baby only seems to be valuable until it passes out of the vagina and has real life and real needs. Let's eliminate the NEED for abortion: the unplanned pregnancies, the domestic violence, the dangers of pregnancy-labor-delivery-postpartum, the incompatible with life abnormalities, the financial impact to women that have to take off a year of work to be on bedrest and the stigma of breastfeeding...eliminate THOSE and then we will talk. Until then, STFU.
@qrvt So because the circumstances which our society created aren't ideal for motherhood somehow that should make ending millions of lives morally acceptable? The circumstances for many disabled people in this country are even worse than for mothers, shall we kill all of them off as well until things get better?
The House and the Senate here in NC just overturned the Governor's veto of the same bill. There is now a waiting period and ultrasound requirement in this state I no longer wish to call my home.
I have known her since we were 15, and she is such an amazing person. She puts into words what most dont want to or are afraid to say. She was that way when we were teenagers.
KharaAdams2007 1 day ago
Thank you for saying what I cannot...thank you, thank you, thank you...
snlself 1 day ago
Powerful...
1775Dreamer 5 days ago
Great poem!!! I'm going to check your other work!
davidgrahamscott 1 week ago
That was incredible. Thank you.
RosalieBells 1 week ago
Powerful! Thank you for speaking this message so clearly and strongly.
Wynegarden 1 week ago 2
Thank you for inspiration, and belly fire. Your work is amazing.
Sarahmargaretm 1 week ago
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Sarahmargaretm 1 week ago
You are strong and brave. Great job.
dabickford 1 week ago
Her style of spoken poetry kind of sounds like it was ripped off of Andrea Gibson. Just saying.
feignsmile 1 week ago
@feignsmile its a rip off any slam poet who has ever existed. They just mimic a working formula and recite to a friendly audience. Not hard.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
There are 14 year olds giving birth and there are many more coming if the GOP has their way. No excuses! You want to dictate uterus policy, play God, you better start adopting now
amykeshe 1 week ago 7
Yeah Lauren! So happy to see you are still such a powerful spoken word artist. I still have that CD you gave me about 7 or 8 years ago. Much love and support. XO
marylawrence79 1 week ago 8
Wow... this is really, really strong. I'm at a loss for words, and full of tears. Thank you for this.
0shichi 1 week ago
I have tears in my eyes. I've never been a proponent of abortion, but it's always been a personal conviction of mine which I'd never force on another woman, especially one of a different faith or one whose awful experience left her broken and smarting. What are these OK legislators thinking? You, my sister, performed this beautifully. Thank you for your words.
lilcaits 1 week ago
I LOVE YOU.
brandonbanks32278 1 week ago
You go girl!!!!
Marina9417SP 1 week ago
I had no idea about this horrible bill.
Thank you for putting into words how someone should feel about it, you're a lovely human being, unlike those who support this bill or created it.
BunnyePinkie13 1 week ago
My dad was really abusive. Mom was too scared to run away.
Well, as you can see, she refused to do the abortion. Within a couple of years after I was born he finally left us. She raised me alone. Thank you, my dear mother, for letting me live, even if I'm a child from a man you hated. But I still think women should be allowed the choice to have the baby or to do the abortion.
LilSayo 1 week ago 3
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LilSayo 1 week ago
You go girl! Amen
osolloway 1 week ago
Thank you for speaking out! Your voice has true power. I'll be sharing this as much as I can with friends.
nfinn42 1 week ago
You made me cry. You were perfect. Thank you thank you thank you for this.
AlchemistsWidow 1 week ago
Thank you for speaking out! You have so much courage!
SarahFunes 1 week ago
AMAZING! I couldn't have expressed it any better myself! You rock woman! A true inspiration!
changingtheworldat17 1 week ago
Oh and one last thing, these ultrasounds can be used for other things other than "emotional blackmail", for example determining the stage of pregnancy so the correct termination method can be used, checking the health of the pregnant woman and her uterus etc.
EmmaBlue2 1 week ago
@EmmaBlue2 Even if all of that is true, I'd like to see you explain why you think lawmakers have the right to force women to see an ultrasound and hear the heartbeat. I think you'd find that there is no reason for it except to make an already horrible, difficult decision more emotionally painful for women.
bekkers29 1 week ago
CONT It's pretty clear that "women's reproductive rights" are still in tact here. I can't see how having an ultrasound before an abortion is such a bad thing. And I say that with an objective point of view because I sit on the fence where Abortion is concerned. The only people who have a problem with this are those who think they would not be strong enough to go ahead if they heard the heartbeat. It just makes me wonder that if they're that easily swayed, should they even be having the abortion?
EmmaBlue2 1 week ago
@EmmaBlue2 They require a trans-vaginal ultrasound. That requires a possible rape victim to pay money, to strip naked and expose her violated parts to a stranger, who will then introduce an object into her vagina. THINK ABOUT THAT.
morticiamom1 1 week ago
@morticiamom1 Its so tragic because it is a fact 100% of women who get abortions were violated and forced against their will to conceive. 100%.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer So because some women conceived through carelessness, and/ or the fact that the local 'pro-lifers' ( a misnomer if there ever was one ) shut down the local planned parenthood clinic and they no longer have a place to get affordable birth control, that justifies subjecting even ONE violated woman to this?
morticiamom1 1 week ago
@morticiamom1 yes it does. I know the old ism of "better to let 1,000 go free than let an innocent be condemned" but that thought is not practical, and abortion IS murder. There is no use of terminology or rigging of situational context that can change that. "what if the woman fell and accident blahblabla" it doesnt matter. In the civilized world, there is no justification for homicide. Abortion is termination of life. Thats it. violation or carelessness doesnt fit in the equation.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer And forcing a person to serve another 'person' since you insist on causing even a mass of undifferentiated cells that) is slavery. Do you know how many pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions? I was abused, and because of that abuse, and the stress it engendered, lost many pregancies.
morticiamom1 1 week ago
@morticiamom1 When I finally left him, and sought help with the baby I was carrying, the only help anyone offered was to sign me up for food stamps and medicaid (options many 'pro-lifers' want to cut BTW) and made me sit and watch a video about how all the fetuses I lost were babies. Just ONCE I would like to see one of you walk in the shoes of the women you shame, or even offer real support or assistance. If men weren't allowed to walk away scot free, abortion would disappear.
morticiamom1 1 week ago 2
@morticiamom1 Im not a microbiologist, and neither are you, but science 101 teaches us every living thing is "a mass of undifferentiated cells". If it breathes, its a mass of cells. Second, im not sure what is being argued. Women with a history of abuse shouldnt have kids? Im not understanding. Im not saying some situations arent difficult. What i am saying is abortion is murder. There is no getting around this. The solution to a bad situation isnt to kill someone else. Born or not
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer Intelligence and consciousness do not spring fully formed out of nothing at the moment of conception. Killing living organisms that lack these qualities isn't murder. Abortion is not murder.
IamBHM 1 week ago
@IamBHM ok then killing a 1 year old is just fine. it isnt concious of its surroundings, isnt intelligent either. Ever see an abortion? Looks like a murder to me.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer Actually, it mostly looks like someone with a bad cold used a shopvac to clear their nose. You clearly have not seen an abortion.
Sarahmargaretm 1 week ago
@shamantrainer you're a fucking idiot and part of the problem.
Rabsputin 1 week ago
@Rabsputin was bout to have a go till i saw Madalene on ur favorites mate, I buggered that tosser last week! haha
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer wow, i'm blown away by your astounding intellect... do tell me more.
by the way, the video you mentioned isn't in my favourites, it was the last one i uploaded, on top of that, she doesn't belong to me so your pathetic attempt to anger me has fallen flat on it's arse :)
Rabsputin 1 week ago
@Rabsputin obv not mate, av a look at u haha, absolute anger. and i know madelane isnt urs, shes mine
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer keep dreamin kid.
Rabsputin 1 week ago
@morticiamom1 Where's the male's responsibility in it all? He was careless enough to drop his "holy seed", where's his accountability?
xoxTiaBELLAxox 1 week ago
I think there maybe some confusion as to the reasoning behind the bill. The lawmakers in question should clear this up before anyone starts ranting or raving about anything.
I would like to draw attention to the description. It states that Oklahoma legislators "are trying so hard to take away women's reproductive rights". From what I can see, they have not outlawed abortion, nor have they brought in forced sterilisation of women. Women are still allowed to have an abortion if they want. CONT
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Willowthecollie 1 week ago
i wonder HOW this chick had an unwanted pregnancy if her boyfriend's name is JILL.
Niika6666 1 week ago
Rip my hear out and stomp that sucker flat!
There is no "other" -- I am [ Lauren Zuniga ]
No more second class citizens, ever, please.
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Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise
PeterBlaise2 1 week ago
What a powerful beautiful voice.
missmorte 1 week ago
I believe it was George Carlin who said, when commenting on conservative anti-women legislation, "If you're pre-born it's all good. If you're pre-school, you're fucked."
You're poem was clear, articulate, and powerful. Thank you for posting.
brylorbs69 1 week ago
We need to band together, I am not in Virginia, but what happens to women in VA happens to me, I'm not in Oklahoma, but their fate is my fate.
mervadine 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
No its not. It is inside my body. With it being inside my body, I have the right to do as I see fit. As this poem states: a rape victim has to carry that fetus? No. That is as unjust as someone pushing their religious ideals on others. Keeping religious out of politics ensures all ppl can execute their right to do as they see fit with their own body. As someone stated before: don't like abortion? Don't have one. Not understanding why ppl are so obsessed with my vagina and uterus. Kinda gross lol
GesseritSpice 1 week ago
Beautiful.
HumanityStupidity 1 week ago
Once again, MY organs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however that doesn't mean you can keep me from doing what I see fit with my own body. Blessed Be.
GesseritSpice 1 week ago
@GesseritSpice A fetus is not an organ.
shamantrainer 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
So beautiful. Thank you for doing this poem. It is when others are silent that evil succeeds. Thank you for speaking out and saying what needs to be said. For those who don't believe in abortion- don't get one. Stay out of my organs. MY BODY, MY CHOICE.
GesseritSpice 1 week ago
@GesseritSpice Ok, and with your body, do what you please. I wont stop you from committing suicide. Its the baby inside your organs people are caring about.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
Is there 1 "woman" on here who can explain to me exactly how terminating the growth of a human, dependent on the mother for sustenance, is a legitimate "choice"? I need a solid argument, not seeing 1
shamantrainer 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
The only thing wrong about the description here is that it is not a baby; it is a fetus.
Pollensalta9 1 week ago
@Pollensalta9 Ok, and an adult is not an infant. Its ok to kill one of those two now?
shamantrainer 1 week ago
Thank you for this, you are beautiful.
Zastanick 1 week ago
Progressive lawmakers should introduce a bill requiring lawmakers who decide legislation that limits a woman's RIGHT to Privacy about HER body must view this video first. All lawmakers, especially male lawmakers, should be forced to see how their laws destroy a Woman's Constitutional Right to Privacy... at home, at the doctor's office or her vajayajay!
simnszz 1 week ago 3
@simnszz This. Male lawmakers, of which the majority are, making decisions about my body, which they have no idea about, is a terrible idea.
Veetoria 1 week ago
@Veetoria Its not about your body, its about the forming human inside your body that you chose to create.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer What if it wasn't a choice?
MortQ42 1 week ago
@MortQ42 Tell me what you would do right now, if your mother sat you down in quiet and informed you she was raped a long time ago, and you were that child. Would you (or any "pro choicer" who flies the rape flag proudly) immediately commit suicide? You wouldnt want her to live with the shame would you? Or be a product of rape? The rape issue holds no ground, as the party who suffers for it is not the one who was guilty of any wrongdoing. The fetus is a human, the procedure kills it.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer If she wanted me "gone", I'd oblige by disappearing out of her life. She'd have made the choice to have me, now I'm here, and I make my own choices.
StilettoFlux 1 week ago
@StilettoFlux So, whats wrong with giving that same courtesy to the unborn? Allow them to live and make their own choices?
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@shamantrainer I visited Romania shortly after overthrow of a dictator who wanted a huge army. Women were forced to have babies they couldn't care for & thousands ended up warehoused in orphanages. I visited 1 with a ward of 'coat hanger' deformed babies. If a ruthless dictator can't prevent back ally abortions, no civilized country can. Why not use billions spent on this issue to help young mothers, unwanted infants (currently 150 MILLION streetkids worldwide) & promote love instead of hate?
simnszz 1 week ago
@shamantrainer It is about my body and the key word here is " forming ", not " formed " , not just human, but 'forming', implying that it is not a full human and there for a part of the mother's body. We calculate life beginning at the time a baby exits the womb and takes a breath of air, not at time of conception. Before that time, it is essentially nothing but a parasite inside the mother, living off her. Women should have the right to CHOOSE what to do with the parasite.
Veetoria 1 week ago
This is so beautiful! All women should stand up against these sexist Republicans and fight for our rights. We are the women, not the male panel of religious men that will decide our fate. You are inspirational.
EmpoweredGirl1 1 week ago 21
@EmpoweredGirl1 Explain to me why it is against the law for serial killers to strangle women to death.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@EmpoweredGirl1 it's women like you that make me ashamed to be a woman.
Niika6666 1 week ago
Nearly brought me to tears.
ZedralZ 1 week ago
This gave me goosebumps. So very powerful.
godessceline 1 week ago
Share this with your daughters, your sisters, your mothers, your aunts, your nieces, your granddaughters, and all the men who love them.
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lsummerlincharternet 1 week ago
Thank you so much for this. This was so well needed and so well done!
massasvassa 2 weeks ago
Beautiful.
ripleybullock 2 weeks ago
I don't have words to express how much I agree with everything you said, and how closely I can relate to it as well. You are a beautiful person and we need to fight against the insanity.
paganmom05 2 weeks ago
you go gurlfran, if I could kick these idiots in the shins, I would.
jenjifooty 2 weeks ago
Wow! Beautiful and amazing and powerful, and sad. And so spot on! After all the intellectual discussions and news stories, this is by far the most compelling piece I've seen! Straight from the heart! And your pain and anger touched my heart. And I'm a guy. Thank you!
tbear500 2 weeks ago
Awesome video! Keyword: relief from their morality. The anti-women, misogynistic, religious right-wing morality. THIS is what we need. I kid you not. I am sick and tired, sick, tired, you hear me? Sick and tired to have religious morality imprinted on my body when those passing those laws can so easily get away when they get women pregnant. Enough. This must stop.
Skulander1 2 weeks ago
Save us ALL from their morality... their paternalism, their smugness, their self-righteousness, their wage slavery, their wars, and their Empires. God help us every one. God bless us every one.
rchaswms 2 weeks ago
That was absolutely stunning. Rachel Maddow needs to have you on her show.
rzonmrcury 2 weeks ago
Very powerful - and courageous!
MiserableOldFart 2 weeks ago
Don't let the trolls get you down. That was amazing poetry, beautifully executed. Thank you so much for sharing this.
msmach130 2 weeks ago
@msmach130 Why is anyone who doesn't agree with her necessarily a troll? Some people just... you know.. don't agree.
lorenei 1 week ago
Does anyone take into account the CRAZY amount of LOVE that never exists in a mother's life until they have their child? All of that love that could have been in your life is gone. But is the trauma of the rape erased? If lawmakers can't tell you what to do with your body, can your mother tell you that you should not BREATHE for ANY reason? It would make more sense to kill the rapist, or his mother who raised him, or his friends who encouraged him, or his dog. LOVE would have changed everything.
amaralove3 2 weeks ago
@amaralove3 And if the woman dies, because she, like me, has a body that can not carry another child, thus leaving her other children, motherless...what then? As for your pie-in-the-sky answer that love answers all...are YOU going to be there? How many women who are victims of rape and domestic violence are YOU helping? How many young mothers are YOU taking time from your day to volunteer to help them? If the answer is less than ALL OF THEM, then you have nothing to contribute.
qrvt 2 weeks ago
You go girl!! I had a couple kids 25 and 24yrs ago but if I got pregnant today, I would like to know I would have the option to terminate. You could hook me up with 10 ultrasounds and I still would be on my way to the clinic. One thing that I don't see mentioned is WHO is paying for all of this?? The state, right? The do gooders and the religious fanatics who want this should be paying for this, not us.
dkbryant64 2 weeks ago
@amaralove3 This is a smug, arrogant comment. To suggest that people without children do no experience intense amounts of love in their life is very high handed. We all experience love, or don't, in our lives. A child is no guarantee of a " CRAZY amount of LOVE " Plus, keeping a child for that reason is extremely selfish.
Veetoria 1 week ago
I just can't even breathe. This is too perfect, too sadly, horribly, truthfully perfect. God save us from the lawmakers.
howdidienduphere 2 weeks ago
I love your work...keep it up....very very good....
Garret00074 2 weeks ago
I love this. I saw her at the Norman music festival a year or so ago and have been looking for more of her work ever since!!!! Go Lauren!!!
rocfan22 2 weeks ago
Thank you for this despite all the "People Who Have All The Answers But No Experience." Geez get a room with your religion. Im a prochoice advocator and my mother is a prolife one. We dont act that crappy to each other. We find solutions.
BVanAlphen 2 weeks ago
@BVanAlphen YES!!! People have all the answers to tell women they cannot choose what to do with a pregnancy, but then have no answers in how to help a mother who cannot support a child, emotionally or financially, when they are forced to have the child and live in poverty. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.
Veetoria 1 week ago
This is so intensely personal and powerful. Thank you so much for sharing your talent and thoughts with us.
Cybilseyes 2 weeks ago
Everyone needs to flag that "shamantrainer" dude for spam.
eustacia42 2 weeks ago 2
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@eustacia42 yeah, i made too much sense and dumbasses cant handle that. Plus i mentioned that slam poetry died a lonely meaningless death in Seattle back in 1994 and only negro wanna be liberal dykes attempt it these days. Better flag and flag quickly.
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@eustacia42 but hey if you want to support murdering babies, thats ok. im not trying to change your mind. Just dont call it a "reproductive right". I know your angry. its ok. i flagged you
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
@shamantrainer You flagged Eustacia42??? WTF?
Veetoria 1 week ago
@eustacia42 The problem is, shamantrainer isn't spam. He's a deeply hateful person with such terribly misogynistic opinions that he's a disgrace to the word "shaman". I would never discourage another person from flagging him, but I choose to pray for him instead. He's sad and lost and angry.
howdidienduphere 2 weeks ago
@howdidienduphere hahaha, hateful? Explain, you are really going to have to leave zanadu for 10 seconds and explain how claiming that a child has a right to live and that a woman getting drunk and fucking some stranger, then living with the consequences makes ME an angry person.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@eustacia42 why? he's the only one on here that can speak logically and realistically, as opposed to people thinking that killing another living thing is "a choice" because they're too goddamned stupid to know EXACTLY what it is theyre doing.
Niika6666 1 week ago
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Again, listen to this poem closely. A shitty person made a shitty choice, doesnt want the responsibility of raising a child, anticipates being a shitty mother who will raise a delinquent and would prefer to kill it instead of changing herself. Pro choice? what kind of joke is that. Choose better, choose to raise the child, choose to endure the hardships. What kind of joke is relabeling opting out as a "choice"
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
@shamantrainer Again, listen to this poem closely. A young woman made a decision to trust her boyfriend while she had a few drinks, was raped and became pregnant as a result. She knows the statistics related to teen mothers - particularly when the father is absent, as is this man. Abortion is not murder. Abortion is performed on a lump of cells before they are scientifically considered a living organism.
Garfield4341 2 weeks ago
@Garfield4341 she wasnt raped, she wanted "acceptance" and willingly got drunk. Secondly not every single woman who walks into the abortion room was forcibly raped. That is a myth and a number worth researching. Also, its not a "lump of cells" Lumps of cells are all you and I are also, according to science, which by the way i fully accept. It is an organism forming, it will one day at some point become a full fledged human. It wont become that because its life is stopped aka murder
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago
@shamantrainer Exactly, it will some day be more then a lump of cells, a fully formed human! SOMEDAY! But, not while still in the mother's womb. Would you rather have children being dumped in dumpsters or growing up in foster care where they can become criminals??? Grow a brain.
Veetoria 1 week ago
@Veetoria a 9 week old fetus (which is usually when most abortions occur) has arms, legs, ears, eyes, mouth, nose, internal organs, genitalia and a heartbeat. sounds pretty fuckin human to me, regardless of its location.
Niika6666 1 week ago
@Garfield4341 her "boyfriend" is a CHICK.
Niika6666 1 week ago
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oh and i love the contrived drama at 2:37. jesus, in all honesty i wish you were aborted. hey, this just in, Def Poetry Jam got canceled!!!
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago
"show me what to doooo" um...put it up for adoption??? why the fuck does that NEVER occur to anyone?!?
Niika6666 2 weeks ago
@Niika6666 Because being forced to carry a fetus to term after a RAPE is a constant violent reminder of the crime. Women have dominion over their own bodies.
Moarbiscuits 2 weeks ago
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@Moarbiscuits So if those women ever were to find out that they were conceived from rape, a secret the mother never told her for example, could we then logically conclude she should commit suicide? Dont want to be a living reminder after all right? Sure, women have dominion over their own bodies, key word THEIR OWN, murdering a life force is not their body. Want a solution to the "abortion in case of rape" dilemma? Kill the rapist not the baby. There, i solved your problem.
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos 3
@shamantrainer The rapist in most cases gets off because "the woman asked for it". Good old fashioned slut-shaming. ESPECIALLY in backwoods Bible-belt states like Oklahoma. And if the woman kills him either while he is in the act or anytime thereafter, she will be charged, at the minimum, with manslaughter. Rapists typically get shorter jail sentences than burglars. That makes no sense. Violate my home? 6 years. Violate my body? 6 months.
Garfield4341 2 weeks ago
@Garfield4341 I dont think you can adequately claim most rapists get off. I dont have those statistics and i dont think you do either. Its not readily available information, but not impossible to get. Rape is charged with a minimum of 6 or 7 years last i checked, in most states at least. Ill be the first to say there is a lot of disparity in who does and does not receive just punishments, but the unborn baby didnt ask how to be conceived. He shouldnt take either parents punishment.
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago
@Niika6666 I am sure it is an option for people and many do give children up for adoption. The issue is that the man gets to walk around, get on with his life, having not to even think about the issue again. The women needs to carry the child for 9 months, deal with the health issues, the physical pain, the nausea, it impacts her career, her future. People call her names, think differently of her, etc...while the man walks around like nothing happened.
Veetoria 1 week ago
@Veetoria Now, what if the man and woman, i dont know. Were somehow...together? Before she had sex with him? I mean, could solve an issue or two i dont know. Im insane but it might work.
shamantrainer 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@shamantrainer That is not always a guarantee of a happy, healthy life..keep that in mind. At the same time, the issue still stands. The man gets to walk away at any time and forget it happened. The women doesn't. And in most cases of abortion, that is what has happened.
Veetoria 1 week ago
@Veetoria so basically your main complaint is about MEN getting away with knocking a chick up. "people call her names"? maybe she's being called names because she put out on the first date and got pregnant. that kind of shit disappears after a while, but if it's known that she had an abortion, the names are far worse and people do think differently of her, as in "wow, what a sack of shit, she killed her kid so she can continue partying. she's probably gonna get knocked up AGAIN".
Niika6666 1 week ago
@Niika6666 You are truly disgusting.
Jkirk3279 1 week ago
@Jkirk3279 why? for telling it like it is? why are people so dumb to see what's in front of their faces? why are they so stupid to take a subject like murder and call it something else like abortion and expect it to be ok? if a woman "chooses" to have a "procedure" done that literally dismembers a body while it's in HER body, then by that token, she could "choose" to dismember that same body while it's in the next room crying. there is no difference between the 2 except for location.
Niika6666 1 week ago
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oh heres another one "You wouldnt have had a + sign if you didnt have sex with someone who didnt give a fuck about you. If you were so PRO CHOICE, you do a terrible job with sexual partners, skank. LOL" damn i am a true wordsmith!!! thumbs this!!!
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago
Heres a poem.....ahem. "Now it is illegal to murder children who arent born." was that good?
shamantrainer 2 weeks ago
@shamantrainer No
Veetoria 1 week ago
I loved this. NOBODY knows what they will do until they are put in a situation. Women don't chose to end a pregnancy for fun. They aren't skipping their way into the hospital. I know people who thought they would never chose abortion over adoption or keeping it, until it happened to them. And watching my best friend go through this has changed my mind forever. Pro-choice!
MissRuthKatherine 2 weeks ago 3
this poem is amazing! so true...
3eternity3 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
This girl put it down!! This was amazing!!
arttaj 2 weeks ago 2
This was heart wrenching and beautiful. Pro child, Pro choice.
Moarbiscuits 1 month ago
A heartfelt poem, speaking truth to sanctimony.
tanchongkee 2 months ago
I know this has nothing to do with this video but I have a problem I can't see why our law makers and government want to
Reward criminals instead of those who don't break the law like instead of focusing on us who need jobs they are trying to give jobs to prisoners they say it helps reduce uninployment and gives a tax break to businesses a ten thousand dallar tax break give me a break.
fordbronco1991 2 months ago
PROUD to call this strong intelligent woman my friend!
ToBeDisabledSoon 3 months ago
22 people hate women. I'm not joking.
foryoublue94 4 months ago 15
@foryoublue94 Or they value the life of a baby....
lorenei 2 weeks ago
@lorenei I find it absolutely despicable when someone values potential human life (read: not a baby. It hasn't been born.) over that of a living, breathing human being.
foryoublue94 2 weeks ago
@foryoublue94 We are not talking about valuing someone's quality of life here but life itself. In over 99% of cases the mother gets to live whether she gives birth to the baby or gets an abortion, the baby isn't so lucky as abortion to him/her means certain death.
lorenei 1 week ago
@lorenei True; but it's still not a baby. And the mother is still a person. You don't get to force her to house things inside of her body.
foryoublue94 1 week ago
@foryoublue94 In most instances, no one forced her to conceive the child. Also, the fetus is a human life in its first stage. An infant is not an adult, but that doesnt make killing one more logical than the other.
shamantrainer 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@shamantrainer Honestly, I'm not even going to argue about this on here. I'm very passionate about this issue and I think that arguing on youtube is just not a good idea. Also I respect this poem too much.This is my last comment. These arguments usually boil down to "you shouldn't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant." Firstly, sex is not a contract for pregnancy. Just as driving a car is not a contract for crashes. Second, you don't get to decide what I do with my body. Period. Thanks =3
foryoublue94 1 week ago
@foryoublue94 Ok, but crashes are accidents. The main designation for sex is to create a child. So again, dont have sex if you dont want to the responsibility. I dont get to decide about your body, but laws are installed to make sure lives arent ended at the hands of others. Abortion is just that. There is no getting around this.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@foryoublue94 Getting pregnant is a NATURAL result of sex whereas a car crash is not a natural result of driving a car. Car crashes often take lives, being pregnant creates a life... apples to oranges. Also no one cares what you do with YOUR body, if you want to dye your hair or get tattooed on 90% of it that's not illegal, but the baby inside a mother's womb is not HER body, it has separate DNA, organs etc. so by all biological standards it is a separate body.
lorenei 1 week ago
@lorenei how many have you adopted?
amykeshe 1 week ago
@amykeshe I'm only 24 so none yet, but my husband and I plan to adopt in the future.
lorenei 1 week ago
@lorenei Getting pregnant isn't always a natural result of sex. Furthermore, you're confusing a stage of development with existence. If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one.
xoxTiaBELLAxox 1 week ago
@xoxTiaBELLAxox Getting pregnant is always a potential result of heterosexual sex, everyone knows this when they decide to have sex, so if you are ready to have sex you should be ready to become a parent as it is always a possibility with sex. I'm not confusing anything. I'm sorry but that argument just doesn't work - If you don't agree with murder just don't kill! If you don't agree with stealing just don't steal! You get the idea...
lorenei 1 week ago
@xoxTiaBELLAxox so if you dont agree with serial killers, dont murder, but allow them to continue? This logic doesnt work.
shamantrainer 1 week ago
@lorenei getting pregnant could also be a NATURAL result of getting raped? and are still not ready for parent hood, plus what about the girls with medical complications that FORCE them to get an adoption? are you saying they should have to see and hear the baby that they are being forced to abort? i just think its wrong is all and you need to take in all aspects of this before making that argument, as it does not work.
ZombieGameSurvival 1 week ago
@ZombieGameSurvival Abortions due to rape and to save a mother's life constitute less than 1% of all abortions so it is a very bad argument in my opinion but one that is often used by the pro-choice people. I do think it is a good idea to consider everything on a case by case basis but in the VAST majority of cases abortions are done for social reasons and that's a fact.
lorenei 1 week ago
@lorenei That's a fact, is it? Where are your statistics? And did they take into account that most rapes go unreported?
Also, "social reasons?" May I ask what that constitutes? Is not wanting to bring a child into a world where no one has enough time for them a "social reason?" What if you had other plans? Maybe you wanted to ADOPT your children and give a child who wouldn't otherwise have one a home? Maybe you wanted to travel the world doing charity work? Are these social reasons?
JessieKateRose 2 days ago
@JessieKateRose You can't link to external sources in youtube comments but I will email you the link to official UK statistics in a PM.
And yes the examples you gave are social reasons - the fact that you want to travel or adopt in the future doesn't justify killing your own child. Doing good deeds doesn't relieve someone's responsibility for their bad ones. (Continued...)
lorenei 1 day ago
@JessieKateRose Otherwise if you were being accused of murder in a court of law you could easily say "But you honor I'm a nice guy, I give to charity, I killed this rich dude so that I could give more money to charity I swear!" but as you know that still wouldn't relieve the person of responsibility for killing someone.
lorenei 1 day ago
@shamantrainer killing cells is killing cells
NewGameReleases 1 week ago
@foryoublue94 It's not like women spontaneously get pregnant, in over 99% of cases they get pregnant from having CONSENSUAL sex. A baby is always a potential result of sex - just how our biology works, so everyone knows that "risk" when they decide to sleep with someone. Why should a human life die because of someone's choice? It's not like someone forcefully implants something into a woman's body and then "forces her to house it".
lorenei 1 week ago
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@foryoublue94 It's not like women spontaneously get pregnant, in over 99% of cases they get pregnant from having CONSENSUAL sex. A baby is always a potential result of sex - just how our biology works, so everyone knows that "risk" when they decide to sleep with someone. Why should a human life die because of someone's choice? It's not like someone forcefully implants something into a woman's body and then "forces her to house it".
lorenei 1 week ago
@lorenei The life of a baby only seems to be valuable until it passes out of the vagina and has real life and real needs. Let's eliminate the NEED for abortion: the unplanned pregnancies, the domestic violence, the dangers of pregnancy-labor-delivery-postpartum, the incompatible with life abnormalities, the financial impact to women that have to take off a year of work to be on bedrest and the stigma of breastfeeding...eliminate THOSE and then we will talk. Until then, STFU.
qrvt 2 weeks ago 14
@qrvt So because the circumstances which our society created aren't ideal for motherhood somehow that should make ending millions of lives morally acceptable? The circumstances for many disabled people in this country are even worse than for mothers, shall we kill all of them off as well until things get better?
lorenei 1 week ago
@qrvt yesssss.
foryoublue94 1 week ago
Wow. Stunning. I don't know what to say except thank you for sharing this and for speaking up.
anastaziala 5 months ago 4
i have no words. This is stunning.
missalexcren 6 months ago 2
is was amazing, thank you.
katelyngallicecarter 6 months ago
This.
xxchrisalicexx 7 months ago
The House and the Senate here in NC just overturned the Governor's veto of the same bill. There is now a waiting period and ultrasound requirement in this state I no longer wish to call my home.
briannevillano1 7 months ago
WOW.. goosebumps!!!! THANKYOU for doing this.. that was sooooooooo touching! Thankyou.
Asmita27 7 months ago
You give me hope for Oklahoma.
Buck2120 7 months ago