Teheran Conference part 6

[MrPiccolop]

I'm a bit surprised with F-Stein at the moment. He keeps repeating the kitchen sink scenario which makes him look very misogynistic and perhaps without knowing it (given that most participants are probably male) orientalist by use of such an expression. This is a bit strange. He would have been better off just saying they are a bunch of cranks or not answer. He has a choice and it's a kind of baiting for legitimacy.

[MrPiccolop]

This is just weird. Finkelstein has put himself in a very awkward position and these guys have got their work cut out for them!! I can understand the concerns on all sides but damn if you put all these people in a room together they're bound to blow up!!

[MrCCFIILE]

Finkelstein doesn't know when he's been thrown a life preserver. The Jews have thrown HIM under the apple cart. He has NO credibility with any of them. He's trying to hold on but it wont do him any good.

Then again, he can't agree with the Revisionist either. He is a man without a country. When he finally wakes up and starts asking the right questions and decides not to take the death of his parents too personal then he might wake up.

Joe

CCFIILE.com see Holocaust links

[MrPiccolop]

@MrCCFIILE He's what's known as the critic in exile...

[IRANWILLBEFREE]

koss keshayeh khooun khar e khomienichi hazar e margetoon beshin.

[Wassouf10]

@itsacrazyworld7 Finkelstein is smart, he cant deny the holocaust that give the global zionist media the oppurtunity to totally shut his voice from universities and other important work. Think about it he already lost a job due to ONLY CRITICIZING THE terror-state IsraHELL. Think tactical....

[Wassouf10]

ME: What is your religion, what is your believes?

Israeli: I Believe in the holocaust.

[Wassouf10]

Hellocaust

[meshzzizk]

The flimsy Holocaust straw man built by the "revisionist" sitting beside the host is pretty embarrassing. He might as well be wearing a t-shirt that says "I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about." With the exception of Dr. Finkelstein this is sub-Glenn Beck level discourse. Ridiculous.

[833P]

With the best will in the world Renouf is not up to debating with Finkelstein on any level. He wiped the floor with Dershowitz after all.

[ladypeinforte]

@833P Finkelstein's secret is that he has no vanity that I can see when he's debating. Maybe elsewhere but not debating--he doesn't care about the same things as his opponents. "Lady" Renouf is a woman of monumental vanity and lost the "debate" before it began. Most people debating Holocaust deniers suffer from shame because the deniers exist. Finkelstein is blessedly free of shame in this context.

[ladypeinforte]

@833P Yes, she's actually not a poor debater--irrespective of her views--but she is not up to Finkelstein. She was not ready to have him call her on whether she really believed there was no Holocaust. That was his point--that she had to come clean. He makes it clear that he doesn't believe in criminalizing denial, which is her leading issue, and returns to his own bottom line--which some might not like but his point is you can have it and believe in free speech.

[besmb2105]

"there was never a record", what a bunch of crap!

Theres lots of evidence for the Nazi Holocaust, its no more difficult than to look at the evidence put forth a the Nuremberg - trial.

U dont have to be a pro - zionist to know that.

[chwadazat]

the first monotheist in recorded history was the prophet Zoroaster who espoused that the world is one continual battle between Truth and Lies. Someday humanity could possibly defeat judeo-christian fascism thru mass conversion to Zoroastrianism which would spawn deep devotion to the Truth. The WW2 holocaust fraud clearly demonstrates how the judeo-christian fascists conspire to enslave humanity thru blatant Lies. Both judaism and christianity are pure fiction the same as the "holocaust".

[123decoeli]

Regardless, I think we should be able to talk about it.

[AgouraMo]

The fact is they do hang gays...often. I heard one of Muhammad's wives said they would leave him. He asked why and she said she heard that he was a pedophile. Muhammad responded: "pedophile!"....now that is a big word for a 6 year old.

[AgouraMo]

I wonder how many gays have been hung and women stoned to death since this video came out?

[pastuso1bc]

Why would muslims hang gays. Their own prophet had a gay lover. Muhammad even dressed up in his wife's clothes to please his gay lover.

Muhammad's gay lover was Zahir.

[4449911]

Dune coons ... camel humpers ... those are new to me. I like rug-pilot ... but don't underestimate Muslims.

[AgouraMo]

Lady Renouf is a cab driver's daughter. She has been caught lying about her education but does have credentials in landscape design. She married Sir Frank Renouf (nearly 30 yrs. her senior) who divorced her 18+ years ago. He referred to the marriage as a "nasty accident". Michelle Renouf is a known supporter of neo nazis and white supremacist. She is the new "Tokyo Rose" for Iranians and any group that hates Jews. I like Finkelsteins reply...great stuff.

[marka1100]

Mohamed the false prophet heard that one of his wives was leaving so he rushed home to find her on the carpet with all her belongings. He sat beside her and said "I heard you planning to leave me?" She replied" I heard your other wives say you are a pedophile!" Mohamed thought about this long and hard and replied " That,s a mighty big word for a 6 year old!"

[GordonMorrice]

Ha ha ha! Brilliant!

[pastuso1bc]

So there is your fucking arithmetic. In spite of the number of Jews that were killed, a billion sandnigger muslims are still too fucking stupid to defeat the Jews still left.

How muslims do you need to defeat the Jews?

2 billion?

3 billion?

Even if the figure of 6 million Jews murdered in WW2 is high, one thing does not change. Every time those dumb fucking sandnigger dune coon muslims open their mouths, they admit that they haven't got the balls to defeat Israel.

[latimer11111]

Wonderfully ironic,

The G"O"D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, after giving the real Israelites a writ of divorcement for their unbelief and idolatrous disobedience in their ignoring and killing G"O"S prophets and Messiah to follow their rabbinical demonic paganism and habitual usurpation of lawful authority via deception and murder, is the same faithful G"O"D that has promised to destroy these "Jews who say they are Jews but are not and do lie..."

Shalom!

[pastuso1bc]

Last I checked, Israel is still there, and in spite of being surrounded by several hundred million hostile sandniggers, fuckface allah still cannot remove the state of Israel from the mental east.

[pastuso1bc]

So there is your fucking arithmetic. In spite of the number of Jews that were killed, a billion sandnigger muslims are still too fucking stupid to defeat the Jews still left.

2 billion?

3 billion?

Even if the figure of 6 million Jews murdered in WW2 is high, one thing does not change. Every time those dumb fucking sandnigger dune coon muslims open their mouths, they admit that they haven't got the balls to defeat Israel.

[pastuso1bc]

Stupid camel humpers are just pissed that Hitler lost, and spite of the number of Jews that were killed, a billion sandnigger muslims are still too fucking stupid to defeat the Jews still left.

Looks to me that revisionists are trying to rewrite history to make it seem that there are more Jews than there really are. Stupid sandniggers will grasp at any reason to excuse their collosal stupidity....How muslims do you need to defeat the Jews?

2 billion?

3 billion?

[sftyou]

Prof. Finkelstein comes out badly in this debate. He asserts 5-6 million, but doesn't address the 3 million reduction in the figure at Auchswitz. If he doesn't address the simple question of arithmetic entailed by that, then he is not serious.

[deejin25]

@sftyou yeah I've never seen him duck the question like this before. Too close to home.

[Reptile0000]

What a STUPID childish conference.

[Fdmeister]

What a stupid childish comment ;)

[markab1100]

Bi kem el sharmoota di?

[marx102]

The interesting thing is that the people who should be defending Jews and Israel can not because of their oppression of the Palestine. Once Israel withdraws to the 67 borders, millions will come out as friends of Israel.

[noracism11]

i think finkelstein comes out on the bottom of this debate, he would not answer the question as to what happened to those 5-6 million jews. obviously your comment is biased, it is so so so obvious!

[kloten]

This is not a popularity contest. Lady M. has a nice face, and s prettier than Finkelstein, fine.There is a reason why regarding historical events and revisionist tendencies ought to be refereed by scholars.There simply is no serious dispute on a scholarly level as to the facts of 5-6 million jews being erradicated in a very efficient manner during WW2.

[Manonleft]

And the winner is... Lady M.! N.F. relies (as each and every "holocaustian" does) on emotional arguments. Never do they provide any evidence... only weak testimonies. Any decent poker player can easily uncover a liar.

But aaah get people to cry and you've won the day. The big problem is that people have now run out of tears... and patience!

Bravo the Iranians! Bravo Lady M., please carry on!

[markab1100]

Bit tifi weta bit tibla 'ee?

[khargushoghli]

Lady M. is, by the way, a fake. Check out the Wikipedia article about her.

And... how is it that the sixty year old daughter of an Aussie truck driver is running around talking and looking like a British aristocratic debutante.

She's as genuine as a three pound note.

Oh, while we're at it...

How does the claim that the Gypsies were also exterminated jibe with International Zionism's nefarious aims?

[ulliboll]

finkelstein is a typical jew liar

Looks like the jews are getting exposed for their disgusting lies

[wolzek]

Please cite something other than Wikipedia to back up your smears. Wikipedia has zero credibility.

As for your "point" about the gypsies, it's really not as clever as you seem to think it is. Does the possibility not occur to you that the Holohoax may have served the interests of more than one group? Go read some revisionist history. The Holohoax was originally as much if not more of an Allied and a Soviet propaganda ploy as it was an overtly Jewish one.

[khargushoghli]

Wikipedia documents its claims. I don't have to take their word for it.

You think the "Holohoax" also serves the all-powerful Gypsy lobby. Geeeeeeeeeez! That would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Doesn't even rate a "nice try."

[khargushoghli]

As for its being a Allied propaganda ploy, the Roosevelt administration spent most of its energy on this matter denying that there was a systematic attempt by the Axis powers to exterminate the Jews, and sabotaging those few officials who wanted to exam it. I don't know what the Soviets did, and I don't think it matters a whole lot.

[khargushoghli]

Dr. F. says he would have gone if, among other things, he could have spoken at an open forum of students. Ahmadinejad's paladins of free speech would not consent to this.

For Lady M. to salute AN as an upholder of free speech just because he holds a conference in which everyone invited is bound in advance to agree with him does not impress me with her understanding of freedom of expression.

[khargushoghli]

Lady Michele is, by the way, a fake. Check out the Wikipedia article about her.

Dr. F. says that he would have gone if, among other things, he would have been allowed to see a list of participants. None was presented. Lady M. says that everyone was invited, but produces no evidence that scholars who actually did research on the subject were invited, and hemmed and hawed when it came to specifics.

[khargushoghli]

I find it fascinating that the Lady salutes Ahmadinejad as a champion of free speech. This is the guy who has systematically shut down every newspaper which questions his judgment and has had riot police bash in the heads of student protesters.

Let's see how much AN supports freedom of speech--let's have him host a conference on the merits of Zionism and invite a full delegation of Israelis.

[wolzek]

So which countries, in your opinion, deserve praise for championing free speech? The ones who put so-called "Holocaust deniers" on trial, such as Germany, France, Switzerland, and Canada?

And why should Iran host a conference on the merits of Zionism? Do the Israelis host conferences on the merits of Palestinian nationalism?

[khargushoghli]

The good ol' US of A is doing just fine on the issue. I don't agree with banning Holocaust denial because it makes martyrs out of idiots who don't deserve it.

The Israelis allow newspapers and conferences which are pro-Palestinian nationalist. Indeed, there are members of the Knesset who are Palestinian nationalist.

[noracism11]

because it affects their country, being that they are geopgraphically in the middle east and not far from israel. because of israel their country has been walled off for years. they are trying to get to the root of the matter and expose whay israel was created in the first place. that is why iran should host a conference on the merits of zionism

[buckinohio]

All TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, movies and bookpublishers in America and the Western countries are controlled by Israel-first zionist jews.

[4449911]

A scholar who paid for his opinions with his job is allowed to say "no" once in a while 0 especially while he looks for a new job. He says "yes" to serious conferences. Iran can organize nuclear physicists when they want to learn to build a reactor ... if they want to advance knowledge about the Holocaust, they can organize scholars and researchers and historians. Finkelstein would attend a conference with David Irving or scholars with something to contribute.

[gncarlo]

Finkelstein posits that a legitimate conference must consist only of "recognized scholars on the Holocaust." Of course, it doesn't take a genius to predict who gets to say who qualifies as a "recognized scholar." Since all who have questioned the official version of history have been smeared, fired, had their books rejected by major publishers and/or burned, and/or actually been imprisoned, what he would call a "legitimate" conference would be a "love-fest" of the Chosen.

[deejin25]

@gncarlo yeah it was informative to see finkelstein change his normal tune, like, it hit too close to home,

[kenzo4000]

@gncarlo He said "serious" scholars. Recognition and fame have nothing to do with it. He doesn't believe these claims are serious and he shouldn't.

[straightchris]

Ruling by Justice Gray on David Irving: "...he is an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism."

Lady Michele Renouf has supported Irving.

[heritageanddestiny]

Lady Renouf has indeed supported Irving, as did (among many others) Prof. Harold C. Deutsch of the U.S. Army War College, who wrote of Irving's "extraordinary enterprise and ingenuity in ferreting out material others have overlooked or have resigned themselves to do without."

[heritageanddestiny]

Another "supporter" of Irving you should perhaps attack is Prof. R.V. Jones, Churchill's head of scientific intelligence, who wrote of Irving's co-operation on protecting the Enigma secret:

"Irving has at times provoked many of us; but when it is remembered what a 'scoop' he sacrificed, surely one of the biggest ever, he has a lasting right to our respect alongside Governor Dewey, who in 1944 and in similar circumstances sacrificed his chance of becoming President of the United States."

[straightchris]

David Irving has deliberately lied in order to glorify Nazis.

I'm done commenting on this nonsense, now you have a nice day.

[heritageanddestiny]

You attempted to discredit Lady Renouf because she "has supported Irving". I quoted other supporters of Irving to challenge your tactic of guilt by association - a typical tactic employed by those on your side of this particular argument, as is the curt dismissal of your opponents' case as "nonsense" without attempting to address the evidence.

[segits]

to my understanding,david irving has never denied that mass killing incl. of jews took place.rather his claim is about how the term "holocaust"originated,and how it has been used

[binladensgoat]

I agree with PhilosopherSY. What a sorry bunch of bastards. It is ironic how they resemble even the most chauvinistic of zionists like Pipes, Dersh, Phillips; in that the concept of 'truth' is whatever fits their own agendas. There is a real deficit of brain activity in the muslim world today.

[btd2006]

David Duke is a scholar and has a Ph.D., although he is not specifically a scholar of the Holocaust. However, being an exceptional scholar of the Holocaust was not a prerequisite for attendance, and after all many of the greatest scholars on the subject are in prison.

Dr. David Duke's invitation was more to address the politics of the Holocaust and how it is used around the world for Zionist benefit and to imprison dissidents. This is just as much an important issue as the Holocaust itself.

[susiexxx]

I've heard some of David Duke's speeches and found him very impressive. His website is also very good.

[susiexxx]

Freedom of speech and thought. Those responsible for denying these basic human rights by making certain thought and speech illegal are despicable. They prevent Irving, Zundel and Rudolf from attending conferences, and then Finkelstein complains of lack of academic research! Talk about taking it round in circles!

[susiexxx]

Finkelstein complained about lack of academic researchers at the conference, failing to mention 3 academics were in prison at the time of the conference (Ernst Zundel, Germer Rudolf and David Irving) and so could not attend. Renouf did well, very articulate. I think Finkelstein was plain rude to call her "the woman".

[didascalicon]

Protect your right to free speech by exercising it!

Give a little contribution to world peace by deprogramming your mind, researching the facts, thinking for yourself and then spreading the word!

[PhilosopherSY]

I feel sorry Finkelstein had to endure these certified

lunatics whose knowledge of recent history is about as accurate as George Bush is sane. How rich for a theocratic regime to lecture Europe about free speech when one would almost certainly face death if one were to criticise the state religion, Islam.

[hughtub]

The plaque at Auschwitz of how many died there was reduced officially from 4 million to 1.5 million. You can see with a google search for: Auschwitz plaque. Yet, we still hear "6 million" and people can be put in jail for doing correct elementary school math! Lady Renouf was probably quite a dish when she was in her 20s, still is even.

[deejin25]

@hughtub so even though the serious scholars tell us the number isn't six million, we aren't allowed to say so? Lady Renouf, If she walked down the street I'd fall in love with her looks. But she speaks out for justice and liberty and I fall in love with her words.

[wangchun2nite9]

This chic is hot but she's a holocaust denier

[heritageanddestiny]

Curious dichotomy there comrade. If a "holocaust denier" wishes to avoid disturbing your prejudices, what is she supposed to look like?

And isn't all historical enquiry a continuous process of affirmation and denial - a dialectic, if you insist on the jargon?

Except for one sacrosanct area of history, which must be protected from scepticism by the full force of the law in several European countries and perhaps now across the continent.

[deejin25]

@heritageanddestiny yeah the truth would defend itself.