BMW E92 335D Cold Start

[Baltahfeek]

Smooth cold start. Nice car.

[EstLeXs]

I think also that this aint "Cold Start".

The engine should be cold like the weather is. But your engine in this video is not. Even if it was running couple of minutes 3-4 hours ago. Atleast 12-24 hours in -25c should make the engine COLD.

[e92diesel]

@EstLeXs

This is getting silly. It was sitting outside for over 12 hours. By "cold start" it was meant to indicate that it had not been pre-warmed for smoother start/running. It is a normal cold start for most people. It NEVER gets to -25C where I live, so that is utterly pointless - I'd need to go find a big refrigerator.

The whole reason for posting this video was to demonstrate that new modern Diesels are not noisy, clanky, rattly, smoking blocks. Video speaks for itself.

[urbex2007]

@e92diesel but you do admit it was NOT a cold start as the engine and coolant was still warm and not cold. For most people a cold start is when a car has been left overnight...not warmed up as in your video and left for a few hours before starting again.

You have admitted your video title was false and misleading, so everyone that agrees should complain and vote the video down.

Your intention was to lie and mislead - you admitted that in your own statement.

RATED ZERO

-for misleading.

[e92diesel]

@urbex2007

It was started early in the morning from cold from sitting all night, driven 4 miles to my work and left outside all day. Then I filmed this as I started it in the evening. That IS a cold start, not a pre-warmed one. As most rational people would define it. It is simple English.

Think I should have left it a week ? Rate it how you wish. It was posted to be informative and most would have taken it that way. Knock yourself out with being pedantic. You are clutching at straws now.

[hogadomi]

@urbex2007 wow you're such an idiot - yeah send it to north pole and test then maybe?

12h is enough, diesel engines are more efficient and also run on lower temp. than petrol engines. my e46 330d is cold after 4h.

[shawnheather323i]

@urbex2007 This is a lame comment !

[shawnheather323i]

@EstLeXs I work for BMW in Canada. I start BMWs up all the time. Usually the cars being worked on have been there for more then 12 hours with out being started and I am sure you would know that the temperatures get well below the freezing point. I cold start Diesels and Gasoline engines and they both start very smoothly. Even when it is - 20 C or colder (-4 F)

[GlobalGLader]

@EstLeXs LMAO! This is the most pointless post I have seen on YouTube yet.

[EstLeXs]

@GlobalGLader If so, then you should read more than one comment in Youtube.

[MsAndrey94]

great sound

[Koxz1]

dont understand why people make videos with cold and warm motor start? Whats the reason?

[200twistatwista]

Hate on here haha Its just a car calm down but I would never rev any car in park no matter how small the rev tis not good for it specially not fully warmed up : P

[LEONSKENNEDY91]

haha, it`s+18 :)

[desant1979]

idiot

[TheFerruccio]

Is that a piano sound when it starts?

[corveGT1PL]

it isn't E92!!!

only actual M3 is called E92

other versions are E90 [sedan] and E91 [Touring]

[SondreLM]

@corveGT1PL Read your facts again, Mr.. E90 is sedan, E91 is touring. Correct! but the E92 is the coupe version..

[corveGT1PL]

@SondreLM

okay,

thx for more knowledge :D

[SondreLM]

@corveGT1PL

Hehe :)

[SomeRandomer123]

Yes! Diesel all the way! 330d and 335d, best diesels in the world

[n0rep1y]

My diesel is bigger than yours....

[zachieftan]

this is the truth: absolute truth----

if someone drives a 335d they will love the engine and it wont feel underpowered

BUT

if someone then drives a 335i, you will NOT want the diesel!

wouldn't swap my gas guzzler for a D...no chance!!!!

[sergejprasista]

Well, to me 335d looks like better car for everyday use. 335i is probably a little bit faster (straight, not uphill) and it souds better, bud 335d eats a bit less, co if you want a luxury/sport buy 335i (or M3/5/6etc), if you want "normal" with a lot of power, buy 335d.

[BORAC87]

@2jzgtejza80

Hi

Well isn't the 335i also turbocharched?

i think yes

[2jzgtejza80]

@BORAC87

i mean on single turbo, not stock turbo...

[2jzgtejza80]

But if you put turbocharger on 335i than we can compare with 335d which is also turbocharged.

That would be fair. You see, how gasoline engines are more flexible and more powerful. Torque is thing that only can help, tractors, big tracks, trains, boats, hard working machines.

[fentonjd]

335d = 0-100km in 5.8 seconds - 281bhp

335i = 0-100km in 5.4 seconds - 301bhp

335d = 42 MPG

335i = 31 MPG

[2jzgtejza80]

@fentonjd

335d 42mpg@ 100km/h in 6th?? yes...over that...up up up

Audi RS6 MTM using 25mpg normal driving but at 320km/h... 6-7mpg

[fentonjd]

Torque is also very useful for going UP HILL.

a 335d would win a race up hill against 335i.....

Civic Type R is very fast in a straight flat road. If it goes UP HILL, it is slow.

[2jzgtejza80]

@fentonjd

Agree apso.

[Bmw545m]

God, you don't know nothing about this kind of cars..

The 335i is incline twin-turbocharged same as the diesel version.. Maybe study this topic before commenting :)

[coogsyrsv]

30.7mpg on a 335d? not bad!!

[jonlake1983]

i swapped from a 335d to 335i a while ago, purely because i started driving less miles. Whilst the 35i is quicker overall it does lack the shove at lower end and through the gears that the 35d has. Whilst i love revving higher and the exhaust/engine sound etc i still miss the punch the 35d gave me when overtaking. i owned the 35d for 2 years and have had the 35i for a while now, both awesome cars in their own right, just depends what you want them for, each to their own, i think both are amazing

[philyfree]

You for sure have never seen an e46 m3 race the 335i. The 335i is quicker stock... When you chip it to release its full potential there is no comparison. The old m3 is still a great car though. The 335i is like a newer version of it. You will see that the next m3 will be like the 335i hence dropping the v8 for a biturbo (smaller engine) Audi is doing the same with the S5.

[philyfree]

The 335d is slower than a 335i both on the track and in 0-60 times, also handling is better due to being lighter

[philyfree]

Point proven. Your not into performance so you went with a diesel. Thankyou

[dwags59]

It was at the dealership for 3 WEEKS It had 250 miles on it!! Why would I lie about it?????

[philyfree]

Wel great.... my argument is why buy a slower diesel model when you could buy the faster and better sounding petrol model.... the only reason is fuel cost....

[fentonjd]

@philyfree

Acceleration in the 335i feels like you've been punched by a middle-weight world champion.

Acceleration in the 335d feels like you've been KO'd by a heavy-weight world champion.

[philyfree]

Ha and thats why the 335i is quicker to 60 and 120... What bullshit you talk.

[fentonjd]

When did I say 335d was faster than 335i?

If you think that's bullshit, you obviously know very little about engines.

Torque is what shoves you into the seat. 335i has 400nm torque. 335d has 580nm torque..... thats a MASSIVE difference.

Hence 335d shoves you into your seat MORE than an M5 does.

a Civic Type R has fuck all torque and no turbo (seat shoving power), but still does 0-60 the same as other turbo hot hatches.....

[philyfree]

You talk about the torque all day long but it's the car with the most acceleration that pushes you into the seat most. In this case that is the 335i. An m5 will go from 0-10, 10-30, 30-50, 50-80, 80-110, 110-150, 150-190, 190-250 kmph quicker than a 335d, so to say that it accelerates faster is ridiculous. Wbhp is what matters!

[fentonjd]

You are seriously suggesting that a 335i with 400nm torque pushes you into your seat harder than a the 335d with 580nm of torque?

Also, when the fuck did I say the 335d was a faster car?

[2jzgtejza80]

@fentonjd

'''You are seriously suggesting that a 335i with 400nm torque pushes you into your seat harder than a the 335d with 580nm of torque?'''

U know why??? Gasoline engines operate with bigger range of RPM, and what gasoline can at 8000, that diesel can in 4000, that's why.

[fentonjd]

"wbhp is what matters"

Care to explain why? Your engine could have 1000bhp, but if it has no torque the car WONT BE ABLE TO MOVE

[philyfree]

I said wbhp not bhp you twat... BHP is the power at the crank, the whp is the final power measured at the wheels.

[fentonjd]

In gear rolling start, I simply cannot see a 335i pulling away from a 335d. The performance is that similar as it is. Rolling start the 335d has 180nm torque advantage.

Check the youtube clip of the remapped 335d vs new M3...When they both floor it they stay level. When the M3 reaches higher rpm it then pulls away. 335d only had 350bhp vs the 414bhp of the M3.

335d is a monster of a car. Seriously quick as it is. Diesel cars arent about 0-60, but it still does it in 5.8s.

[philyfree]

Now put a jb3 mapped 335i against the same m3 and watch it beat it in a straight line.

[2jzgtejza80]

@fentonjd

''Your engine could have 1000bhp, but if it has no torque the car WONT BE ABLE TO MOVE ''

Say that to BMW, Honda and Ferrari F1 engineers, where they pushing out 1000bhp from 3.0 V10 @19000rpm

[2jzgtejza80]

@fentonjd

And F1 V10 engines have only 250Nm of torque.

[fentonjd]

Yes, but you still need torque to make an object physically move from a standstill, it's basic science.

Ever heard of a torque wrench? It tells you how much twisting your applying to a bolt...... You cant tighten up a bolt simply by turning the spanner really quickly....... you have apply torque.....

[2jzgtejza80]

@fentonjd

Yes, i understand you, but if you doesn't have power, so P=0, torque is also 0. You need only 1Nm of torque, than you can calculate with RPM.

The problem of diesel engines are lower RPM, than in gasoline engines. If you wanna powerful and engine with much more torque, than you need change the displacement, actually you need bigger engine. Gasoline engines are cheaper and more flexible than diesel engines. You can put out same power and torque like diesel engine with forced induction

[Andreas1986xyz]

basic sciences is that the only thing that matters for accerleration is power which is the product of torque and RPM. The Diesel has more torque but the 335i has much more RPM. Simply look at the power curves and you will see that they are no circumstances were a 335d has a chance against a 335i if the i is the right gear.

[fentonjd]

for everyday driving, the 335d IS FASTER.

For racing around a circuit, 335i is faster.

You do not sit at 5,000rpm at 40mph in the petrol just incase someone tries to overtake you etc.

In the 335d diesel, it has more pulling power than an M5 at only 2k rpm. Sudden acceleration on a rolling start comes from torque, not BHP.

You dont need to gear down in the diesel to rapidly overtake another car.

Everyone surely acknowledges that?

[mikedrazen]

@fentonjd im working on a benz 300d with weight reduction, hho, wvo mixed with kerocene, propane injection, it comes stock with turbo with a special cone air intake

and no muffler

im hoping it will be fast, tookout ac and powr steering and raditor fan, added electric fan and water sparyer on raidator grill (not needed)



[philyfree]

Your car cant produce 420whp... you fail

[4pjon]

quite a thread...

philyfree has proven himself to be an absolute idiot in his quest to be perceived as an expert.

[philyfree]

You do care.... your remap gives up to 45 bhp so that 341 is bullshit..lol even so My 335i stock or even my last r32 would whip you....

[philyfree]

Care to explain how your 335d will beat my tuned 335i... ? When you tune your car to beat the e92 m3 everytime like mine does then come back to me...Dont even try there is no possibility of getting m3 speeds out of your dirty diesel engine. Nobody has done it.. I have driven the 335d and it was as i expected. i position it just behind the 330i.... Diesels are no fun.

[Mcstravigant]

The view a diesel is rattly and dirty is outdated; in the real world they are probably faster due to massive torque and actually more expensive to buy and run with high diesel prices, at least in the uk.

[mcc1327]

easy on her

[HaiPpi]

Haha i see grass :D

[basimbelada50]

für moderne diesel motoren ist das kein thema.

vor allem nicht wenn das motor vom bmw ist.

[suepsetts]

335i can deifently be stick thats the only way id want it

[ccobccob]

That is incorrect. The 335i is avaiable also with a manual gearbox.

[chandler31524]

absolutley amazing thanks for adding this vid helped me out loads

[eggman9713]

The one thing I don't like about the BMW 335d, is that in the US at least, it appears you can only get it with an automatic transmission, not a manual. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[macthewesty]

Auto only due to the amount of torque from the engine. Auto boxes are stronger and can with stand the stress. 335i is Auto only too...

[madpistol]

A quiet, clean, powerful, and refined diesel engine... BMW has built a jewel from the rough.

[JET997u]

Agreed. Just drove a 335d yesterday. What an amazing car. The huge amount of torque is like a drug: it's addictive. I prefer the diesel version over the 335i gasoline. And the diesel motor is so smooth. The demo model I drove had a half tank of fuel; the trip computer still read: "435 miles to empty."

[philyfree]

are you crazy... If you buy a 33d your just a cheapskate that cant afford to run the 335i.... The 335i whips the 335d's ass in every other way.... Who wants to drive noisy shaky diesel cars now.. If your an enthusiast get the 335i,,, if you cant afford it get the 330i and the the dirty diesel

[JET997u]

OK.. your comment made no sense whatsoever.  And is full of typos, too.

[philyfree]

You used a comma after typos. Lol. Fail

[JET997u]

Double fail on you. A comma after the word "typo" is, in fact, completely correct. Idiot.

[philyfree]

You prefer it because its cheaper to run,,, if thats the case buy a prius.... If you were a driving enthusiast you would have prefered the 335i right away.

[pk6i]

E92 Diesel : how does the diesel-engine feel? Have u driven 335i ? why did you choose to buy Diesel instead?

[trayceyv]

no doubt it's a cold start:)....funny though...i have a 323i E46 Sport Wagon and on some days the engine literally takes half a crank before it turns over...it starts before I even finish turning the key...only sometimes though:)...not all the time lol:)

[Deuterijum]

diesel engine with no sound :) gr8!

[splashie777]

nice cheap to run quick good looking car with rear wheel drive fun. whats not to like ? ( granted i like audi's more) but i wouldnt say no to this either.

[Pendemic]

Cheap to run? Please...

[Pendemic]

If in cheap to run you mean gas prices then yes I agree but if you mean the cost of repairing a BMW, then no.

[CroAuslander]

@Pendemic Well BMW is German engineering...and if u had a BMW you would know ur servises are fairly Cheap, air filter + oil = 60-70 euros and when it comes to repairs...BMW just doesnt break down or it happens so rarely after 300.000km...

[Pendemic]

@CroAuslander

It's just not true dude. My friend has a 545i that has broken many times with under 100k km on it.

[CroAuslander]

@Pendemic Stop lieing....what has broken?? plz tell me...sigh..

[urbex2007]

@CroAuslander Idiot. BMWs are no more or less reliable than other cars. I see about 20 a week in for repairs in one UK dealership alone. They are extremely expensive for parts. There are many documented faults on every model and BMW will never contact a customer to let them know, they wait until a customer complains before offering a part payment. You ask to have a look on the computer at the dealership when you go in next, you will get an idea of money making faults and parts that fail.

[CroAuslander]

@urbex2007 Retard. You have no idea what you are talking about....go buy a Renault...

[urbex2007]

@CroAuslander rubbish, in the UK the oil alone costs 60-70 euros or more. For a service you are looking at 300 euros from a dealership. They do break down and prts wear as much as other vehicles, only difference is that when a BMW breaks down you need a bank loan. By 300,000KM you would have spent thousands of euros on servicing and replacing parts so get real.

no service is just oil and air filter, that shows you don't have a BMW!

[TrickTizzle]

This aint a cold start.

[e92diesel]

My car. Sitting outside for the day. Cold start. Fact. What makes you believe otherwise ?

[TrickTizzle]

A cold start doesnt mean that a car is sitting for couple hours. You have to leave it off overnight...

And dont say its been off for a long time because it wasnt.

[e92diesel]

Apologies for not using your time period for cold starting (are you taking ambient temperature into account, does this overnight period cover that.). Do you know how long it takes this engine to reach operating temperature; how long I was driving it before leaving it sitting for the working day? I know how long the car was sitting, you don't. Do you own a 335D? I can repeat this with the car sitting for a week. It would be exactly the same video and only prove your comments utterly meaningless.

[TrickTizzle]

The engine takes 10 minutes to get up to operating temprature. I own a 325, so I do know what I am talking about. Any engine that is cold will not idle within 5 seconds of turning it on.

[dave330sport]

Sorry TT, but I'm with e92D here. I've owned an E30 325i, E46 323i, E46 325i, E46 330i and E46 M3. Now I own the E92 335D. The 323, 325 and 330's that I owned had the compressor come on during cold start, as it does with the M3. There's no such thing for the diesel, and this is exactly what my 35D does when it's on a cold start (overnight).

[mikedrazen]

@e92diesel i dont beleive u

yes cars can start on first hit,a smooth running bmw?

yes it can, but it's easy to doute u

my car starts when it feels like it, so it's hard for me to beleive u

benz 300sd, im hardcore

[bp240]

i used to think that too, drive one

[dwags59]

I did....wasnt impressed when it wouldnt start on the 3rd day of ownership and it went to the dealership for 3 weeks. BMW gave me my money back. WOW

[bp240]

lmao wow thats unfortunate, thats y i hate mercedes; ownership problems. but really its more of the fact that each car is different so maybe u got a bad one like i got a bad benz

[vladi341]

a few hours isn't enough to make a real cold start. let it sit for the whole night.....and then start.

[hits888]

335d got more torque than the new m3. One of the best diesels around.

[philyfree]

That doesnt matter it is still a shitty diesel engine that will never beat the 335i never mind the m3. Its bhp it needs

[dalesteel]

not lights on new bmw, its dotted lines on a circle thatmove up and down, but same idea. No temperature guage on new bmw's just the rev advisory lines, brilliant again. BMW prove there superiority over all other cars.

[mpwelk]

Amazing diesel.

[200twistatwista]

Never post To rev A cold Engine on winter days I thought.

[littlemanguile]

I can smell the new BMW car smell:) man i love that car

[hrgotaa]

radi a nečuje se

[normanbeyer]

That's a great start.. My 525d e39 needs a a sec more or less before it fires up.

[FunSubaru]

Fuckin' quiet! Great sound!

[11evolancer11]

it could be that he doesn't have a aftermarket exhaust

[FunSubaru]

OK. But I am amazed by the quietness not the loudness of the car!

;).

[11evolancer11]

right...;)

[ae86sr5driver]

I've been building engines and working in the automotive field for 20 years, so please don't take me for an amature. I have rebuilt countless small block chevrolets. On my own personal vehicle I have tryed the cold start don't rev theory. I have found no results showing it is harmful. After 150,000 miles and reving it to peak rpm each start for 10-20 seconds (sometimes more when I'm in a bad mood). ALL my bearings were fine, compression was still excellent as well. One word, BLUE PRINTING.

[tomski3]

Cool, good job to do. I heard you should let an engine warm up first because otherwise it thinks it's warm because it's getting revved and in flows the coolant and causes a cold seizure. Is that not true? (I read it in a motorbike magazine and of course their engines are very different so maybe on a torquey low-revving diesel it doesn't count). What do you think?

[DMCJordaan]

So there is no waiting for a glow plug light to go out on these bad boys? lol

[RoT1992]

Nope.

You don't have to wait by every modern euro-diesel. I'd seen a glowplug light once in my life, in our 2002 Peugeot HDI after a night with -20 degrees. When starting it was still -10 degrees. Light went on and went off within a second.

[moondog637]

Silky beautiful. Now don't rev its bollocks off while its cold.

[xdragosx]

yes.didnt saw that. the press start button without pressing the break first w8 a few sec the press the break and press the start button again.

[xdragosx]

first press the botton without pressing the cluch. let all the lights go off and the press the cluch and press the start button again.

[jsj24uk]

I think this diesel is an automatic as it clearly displays the "P" symbol on start up.

[RoT1992]

The 335d always has a automatic gearbox.

[acalthu]

frankly i found the video informative. I haven't been in any of the newer euro diesels in a while. I was waiting for the starter, but there was nothingm just a burble which soften suddenly after 2 seconds. very nice.

[eoghancbc]

I think it is important that Ameicans know how good and quiet modern Euro diesels are, because most of them think that they are smelly, rattly, noisy, slow things.

And this car was started cold, and yet there was no glow plug light to wait for!

[YAMAHAYZF750]

these diesel engines are developed in Austria in Steyr.wonderful sound,top engineers !

[mrfanman2u]

I prefer for people to KNOW it's a diesel. But then again it's a TRUCK but.. I am sure I would not feel the same way if I bought a BMW and wow it sounds like my old 7.3L diesel!

[mrfanman2u]

That is super quiet. I have a 1999 Ford f-250 with the International 7.3L engine, and that thing will flat out wake the dead on a cold morning. I have 5" exhaust on it sans muffler, and when the backpressure valve closes, hahaha sounds like what the boeing 747 mating call would be like. I love my noisy truck though.

[thedekester18]

Yes on this car the redline is variable.

[e92diesel]

Stupid comment

[zycan]

4700 redline is dissappointing especially for a BMW but then again its a diesel, what are you gonna do. Still a nice car, though.

[micoaraujo]

If you already drove that car, you wouldn't say that! ;)

[acalthu]

it's called torque...

[philyfree]

The torque doesnt make up for this cars poor performance

[Tyrian335d]

Hi Dave,

Is it just me or does your coupé have a variable red line? Turned off, the redline starts at 5000rpm, but as soon you (cold) start it, it shifts to 4500rpm.

My E92 335d will be arriving at the dealer this wednesday or thursday. The one thing I hate is a water/oil temp guage.

I can't wait to drive my 335d ^^

(Catscratch @ e90post)

[e92diesel]

Checked - but I think it is just an illusion. The redline is not variable. Or at least not visually.

[puricele7e]

Isn't it variable with engine temperature ? I have the "old" 3.0d with 218hp in the E60 and in the first 4-5 minutes, there are white lines from 4.000 to 5.000 rpm. When the engine warms up, the lines go away and you are able to use all the power. Maybe the .35d engine is different in that.

[monniearnes]

yeah, the redline is dependent on oil temperature and water temp

[NIIICEDK]

Mine starts on 4800 rpm all the time.

[kewlsupah]

omg? red line it...! u only rev to 3000rpm...me this vid sucked.... men nerd

[e92diesel]

It's clear you've never owned a real car. Red-lining a stone cold car at start-up ? Are you REALLY that simple and foolish ? The video was made purely for a purpose: to redress a question, did you read that ? If you can't read and understand what I wrote in clear English, then I can't help you. Quiet day at school, was it ?

[philip0007]

Put in it's context it does make sense, ok. But why not make a video when driving or something?

[e92diesel]

As I pointed out - They incorrectly commented about "rattle" on start-up - so a video of start-up from cold puts that myth rapidly to bed.

[philip0007]

*it truely is

[philip0007]

We also have a 335d and it's truely is a dieselmonster but what's the use of making video's like these???

[e92diesel]

Why ? - Simple - It came about in a Forum that many Americans were continually wittering on about the "clatter" a Diesel does at start up (they have never seen or heard the new BMW Diesels and only have outdated Diesel engines for reference). Instead of trying to explain to them, simplest solution is to post a few videos showing excatly what a Diesel sounds like. That is why these are posted.