Aran Jones on Thomas Cook's Welsh language ban

[Drakerevinn87]

Not being funny but Aran jones isn't welsh he just learnt it. I think he should get off his high horse. Cont spectol

[HarmonicNature]

Kudos to Aran for standing up for what's right, and for founding the ground-breaking Welsh course "Say Something in Welsh"! Cymru am byth!!!

[archive303]

You scumbags need the welsh not!

[Mikosch2]

@archive303

Listen, I'm not Welsh, not even British at all, but i give any support i can to anyone trying to save the Welsh (scottish too) language. And with people like you that have nothing but offenses as "arguments" i get ensured i'm on the right way again and again. If you have a problem about England not ruling much of the world any more it's your problem. Guess how that came to be - it has to do with thinking you're the boss just because you're there!

[archive303]

@Mikosch2 What you fail to understand is that the Welsh are a blight on this island, the sooner we stamp them out the better. You of all people should understand the need for ethnic cleansing.

[Mikosch2]

@archive303

Bydd y ddraig goch yn dy fwyta di.

[archive303]

@Mikosch2 St George, patron Saint of England will destroy your Dragon.

[ignoranttwat]

@archive303

St George? Mae'r nawdd sant Syria-Palesteinaidd yn Lloegr?

[ColossalCollapse]

No Thomas Cook in Ireland but there are few Tescos, I honestly believe if Tesco tried to stop people speaking Irish to costumers there would be violent backlash.Thats just the way it is here, Irish may not be as strong as Welsh speakers to population wise but when wankers try and interfere with Cultural things at home, like language, Gaelic game,the craic! Irish people take it personaly.But then again we have a right to be, the only true free Celtic country and we gave long enuf tryin to get it.

[3tangle3]

@ColossalCollapse Wales is the longest continually occupied land :'(...

[Mikosch2]

Wow, I didn't know my tutor of Welsh is also politically active to save the language. Keep at it, Cymuned! :-)

[smezec]

There are bigger and more important issues in the world today than a company preferring to deal in English (a language spoken by billions) to a language barely even spoken by a quarter of the country it's from.

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec A facile and misleading comment. It wasn't 'a company preferring to deal in English', it was 'a company banning employees from using their first language', and as such in breach of existing equality legislation. Bigotry is bigotry, and needs to be challenged wherever it is found. The idea that right versus wrong should be measured by some abstract scale of 'importance' is at best absurd and at worst an excuse for bigotry.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Ironic that you should label my comment facile considering what followed in your comment...

Bigotry is certainly a terrible thing, but if you think Thomas Cooks decision came out of some sort of rampant racism towards the Welsh then you are a paranoid fool who should probably have a little sit down.

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec Who said anything about rampant? You're attacking a straw man because you don't have a real argument. Do you think that the company's decision to ban Welsh speakers from speaking Welsh to each other was bigoted or not?

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog You did, by describing Thomas Cooks actions as bigoted. The only straw man I am seeing is you mentioning a nonexistent straw man, so looks like theres more irony in this discussion!

No it's not bigoted. Is it a bit silly? Possibly. Banning people from greeting each other in Welsh is a bit silly. But banning workers from undertaking business in a different language is entirely logical. For a British company it makes logistical sense for everything to be done in one language.

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec I said 'bigoted'. I didn't say 'rampant racism'. Your wafer-thin claim that I implied 'rampant' by saying 'bigoted' is a classic straw man, and is the kind of absurdity that makes it very difficult to have any sensible discussion. The definition of 'business' meant *any* work-related discussion - even if it was only between two people, and they both spoke Welsh. It was clearly bigoted, almost certainly triggered by a paranoid line manager, and the CRE agreed it was unacceptable.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Well it's clear then that you've spent too much time speaking Welsh and have forgotten the basic grammatical rules of the English language. "Rampant" is a pre-evaluative enhancer, not a noun. So what ever incorrect pedantic point you are failing to make is the real straw man and I'm not being drawn into that argument because it detracts from the issue at hand (though I can see why you want to deflect it like that)

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec Genuinely funny, if a bit desperate. Pre-evaluative enhancer my arse. Weren't you sure how to spell adjective?! Wriggle wriggle, irrelevant waffle about grammar, wriggle wriggle. What a fail. It was bigotry. The CRE agreed. Eventually, Thomas Cook agreed, and changed their policy. The policy was bigoted in all cases, but in this particular case the bigotry was aimed at Welsh speakers. It isn't that tricky to understand - except for trolls, apparently.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Again, too much time on the Welsh ma boy! A pre-evaluative enhancer is a specific type of adjective. If it helps next time I'll be more vague. But as I said before, irony, because you started this pedantic nonsense ;)

You want the world to think the Welsh are somehow the victims of prejudice, but most in the world (and most in Wales as well thankfully) just laugh at how preposterous that is. If you want bigotry, go to the Gaza strip, or Tibet, or Kashmir. Not North Wales.

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec Playground stuff. I said 'bigoted', you said 'it's not rampant racism', I pointed out that I never said it was, and you say 'Oh, that's pedantry.' I haven't referred to racism in this exchange, and your attempts to suggest I have are deceptive and dishonest. Oh, and 'pre-evaluative enhancer' is pure bullshit - I'd love to see your sources, since I've taught English at secondary and tertiary. Meanwhile, you're back on your water-weak suggestion that only violent prejudices matter.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog If you had the brains to do it you could find it in 30 seconds on wikipedia. And if you aren't smart enough to break the phrase down and analyse each section and take a wild guess at what it means, then I don't believe you have ever taught English.

I made no such suggestion. That's the second straw man you've brought up. Care for a 3rd?

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec 'If you want bigotry, go to the Gaza strip, or Tibet, or Kashmir. Not North Wales.' That implies that bigotry is only found in areas with violent disputes. Do you believe there is no bigotry in Wales? You're making yourself look more than a little daft here. Now, do tell me in what sense 'rampant' is pre-evaluative? Unless you'd rather go back to the ad hom which seems to be just about all you've got.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Again, you're English skill are clearly very lacking if you you think the CRE said Thomas Cook was acting in a bigoted way. The Director of the Commission said, and I quote, "It's somewhat silly". Bit of a difference wouldn't you agree?

It's good to read and not let your paranoia get in the way of logic ;)

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec Laughable. Context please? Chris Myant, director for the Commission at the time, spent hours in meetings with TC in order to get them to change a policy he noted was 'quite probably in breach of the Race Relations Act'. I wonder why he put so much effort in, and got them to change the policy, if he thought it didn't matter? Meanwhile, you've got me laughing again with 'you're English skill are'. Your/you're - worth a little research, if you claim to be a grammarian. Funny troll!

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Christ, I normally HATE people that get those mixed up and I am disgusted that I just did the same! Still, much rather get a minor grammar issue wrong then my actual understanding of the words.

"Somewhat silly" and "probably in breach" contrasts with "A flagrant disregard for the law rooted in bigotry" wouldn't you agree?

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec Yes, I would agree. Where does your 'quote' 'A flagrant disregard for the law rooted in bigotry' come from? Who said it?

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Tis a composite of your statements thus far! You can take the "flagrant" out if you'd rather though :)

Though knowing your way with words, you'll try and claim you never mentioned bigotry hahahah

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec So in other words, you made up stuff. What a pity - you're really not worth engaging with. So, this example of bigotry was brought to the attention of the media, the Assembly and the (as was) CRE - all of whom spoke to Thomas Cook, who then changed the policy. A good result for anyone who dislikes bigotry.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Ah and yet again you produce more irony! As has already been said, there was no bigotry and the CRE even said though themselves. That was made up by your self. But as usual, you resort to pedantry because your actual argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Bit disappointing that it took you this long to come up with such a piss poor response tbh.

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec The CRE agreed it was bigoted. The CRE lobbied Thomas Cook. Thomas Cook changed the policy. Which part of that are you having trouble understanding? Anyway, that's enough time invested in a common-or-garden troll.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog No it didn't. It said it was "somewhat silly". The fact you can't comprehend this inconvenient yet simple fact shows how paranoid you are. Pull your head from under the rock, its safe outside, no one wants to hurt you for being Welsh!

[Sgwarnog]

@smezec And I'm sure you'll be delighted to know that the CRE made their position very clear to Thomas Cook, and that Thomas Cook changed their policy on a UK-wide basis to accept that employees had the right to speak whatever language they wanted to each other, requesting only that they spoke English when they needed to communicate with someone who didn't speak their language - the default, obvious and rational position from the start, before one bigot tried to throw his weight around.

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog It's particularly ironic that you would use the word "paranoid" to describe someone else when it is clearly you that seems to believe that the Welsh (correction, a minority of the Welsh, seeing as barely a quarter speak the language) are somehow the targeted victims of some racial discrimination by a horrible Englishman when that is evidently not the case.

The rule was against all languages except English, so will you concede that it wasn't out of bigotry to the Welsh please?

[smezec]

@Sgwarnog Just did a quick google on the terms of this "ban" and looks like casual conversation wasn't banned, but (as I suspected) business conversation was. That is sensible. It was non-discriminatory against Welsh because all other languages apart from English were banned (that pretty much destroys the bigotry claim right there) and they wanted the business language to common across the whole country. That is sensible.

[thefartydoctor]

@yellop65 Wow, chill the fuck out. I come from England but I'm not a Saxon and I'll have you know that I'm on my way to becoming fluent in Welsh... I just don't understand why people like you have to leave such rediculously pathetic comments on videos such as these. The English hate the Welsh, fair enough, but if it's any consolation to you, zoom on and view the bigger picture. xD The majority of the entire world hate the English.

[shcnoozlebop]

welsh people should speak welsh. i have herritage everywhere in the uk: irish, scottish, british and welsh. i think it's sad enough irish who can speak gaelic are rare, and scots, too.

by fuck, if japanese people came to australia, opened a store and banned people speaking english in it i know people here would be pissed.

[KyleMacEpper]

Welsh descendant in America, Learning Cymraeg at present, planning a few stays in Cymru to get a good grip on the language (Would love to Emigrate)

There's a lot of Welsh descendants here in California (Though we're certainly still a minority) and there's a bit of a roots revival going on here. People are unhappy with having so little of a voice and hate the globalization taking place, one tool of which is making English universal, destroying cultures slowly.

American Cymraeg Society. Idea.

[KyleMacEpper]

@KyleMacEpper

There are a few, but they need to unify.

[thefartydoctor]

@KyleMacEpper You really should defo unify and make some form of group/alliance. Strength in numbers xD Pob lwc.

[wiccacharmedgal]

Rhag cywillyd iddynt! os nad ydyny yn hoffi'r iaith, wele'r drws!

[domhanda]

I used to employ Thomas Cook travelling to and from New Zealand all the time until I heard about their ban on the native language of Wales.

Now I avoid employing Thomas Cook like the plague.

[SirPercivalGallant]

Ban Welsh in a bookshop in Wales...what the hell?!  This is not only offensive, it's also at a level of stupidity that should be on FailBlog.

[aberplym]

I've never lived in Wales, but I learnt my Welsh as an adult in East Anglia. When I visit Wales to practise my Welsh, this is the very town I go to. Presumably the ignorant anti-Welsh language comments on here are from people who have never visited this part of Wales or they are simply deaf.

[Westernprovince]

The fact is that the very few Welsh speakers in South Wales are pandered to by the govt. All the civil service jobs are offered to Welsh-speakers, and those that cannot speak it are prejudiced against. The irony is that all the liberals fully support this positive discrimination.

[Valvallaria]

Well, those who cannot speak welsh should learn it. Even I, someone from GERMANY, learns welsh without any problem. No one can tell me that they can't learn it, unless they are voiceless. Any normal person can learn it. If they don't want it: fine, then they must face the fact that they will have a disadvantage. It's like living in germany without knowing german.

Actually to me it is only fair that those who hold up the rest of the culture get better chances, than those who don't.

[Westernprovince]

Political correctness strikes again! Bizarre that you cling to Wales instead of Germany.

Wales is part of the UK. The official language of the UK is English. How ridiculous to say that 'it's like living in germany without knowing german'.

What an insult to all the Welsh people who are born and bred in Wales, but don't speak Welsh. I suppose you think that Dylan Thomas is not a part of Welsh culture as he wrote in English!?

kaum zu glauben.

[Valvallaria]

Bizarre? Not at all. People can cling to more than one thing. That isn't limited to one.

So what? As far as I remember, Welsh is also an official language in Wales - so learn it or don't, but don't cry if people who know more than you get better chances. In addition: a language isn't something that you get born with. It is a matter of learning and initiative. There are dozens upon dozens of free learning resources. NO ONE (!) can tell me that they cna't leanr "I can't" means "I don't want to"

[Valvallaria]

I learned english as well - and I don't even LIVE NEAR an english speaking area-, so why the heck shouldn't you learn Welsh if you live in Wales, or better: the people who actually preserve history by using the language better chances? They know more than the people who don#t speak a 2nd language. So what? What you want is something like same chances for everyone, no matter what their credentials are. Fluent welsh speakers have to learn english - so once again: why should the others learn WELSH?

[Valvallaria]

typo: why shouldn't the others learn Welsh?

[5T0RML0RD]

No one in my part of wales speaks welsh. lol

Language hasn't caught on. And the most i can do towards speaking the language is being able to pronounce words correctly..even if i don't know what they mean. =p

[Caprica06]

I don't feel that it's a matter of the language "catching on". And if it has not done so I feel it only speaks to our lack of appreciation for what value language has for culture and society. Those things provide identity and a sense of ones heritage. Welsh is rich and unique. What a tragedy and a loss it would be if future generations were deprived of these things. Preserving one's heritage is vital to keeping the world diverse. Because once we all start speaking and living the same..zzzzz

[airmanjoe]

I like the Welsh language, and I am an American(of Scottish decent) so fuck you

alllllaaccchballll88.

[randomjoe2006]

Wales is an English speaking country you nutjobs - deal with it. The real welsh public are English speaking - you are the minority not us. We are Welsh, we speak english - your people should get your own title - like 'Celtic-wackos' and stop trying to drag the rest of us down with you.

[alwaysrunning]

That's very unfair and bigoted of you to define monolingual Welsh people as the 'real' Welsh public. Welsh speakers are keeping what little culture Wales still has alive and you're the exact kind of narrow-minded fool who's attempting to destroy this nation by expressing such opinions.

Show some respect for fuck's sake.

[randomjoe2006]

LOL - explain to me how only speaking English would "destroy this nation". Releasing all that taxpayers money that is currently unfairly syphoned towards a handful of welsh speaking fanatics would lead to national disaster!?!?!

What these people define as culture - the rest of the world sees as backwardsness.

There is nothing narrow-minded about hating and disrespecting people and things that hate and disrespect you.

[Valvallaria]

Actually what most of the "rest of teh world" sees as backwardness is behavior like YOURS. And before you brag about the (pretty small) amount of taxpayers money that is used for translations, you might rather look at the dozens of failed investions of politicians, which costed millions and now lie idle.

And before you brag again: I'm german, (sadly) not welsh.

In addition: YOu might think about WHY people "hate and disrespect " you. If you always act like you do here, it doesn#t surprise me.

[alllllaaccchballll88]

I love listening to the welsh language on S4C!dont have a fucking clue whats being said but its sounds fairly class,and the words look so complicated!Im irish btw,not some retarded american!

[Ungaduha]

Thanks for the comment about Americans, bro.

[5T0RML0RD]

rofl, nice one.

[electrogeek77]

You're also a bigot. How proud you must be.

[slyfusion]

The Picts didn't conquer the Scots, nor did the Scots conquer the Picts. Rather, a Pictish Queen married a Scottish King, thus unifying the two separate peoples.

[animalunaris]

English educated yes, they were still Highlanders, but they had become anglicised and saw themselves as landlords rather than chieftains.

[animalunaris]

English educated yes, they were still Highlanders, but they had become anglicised and saw themselves as landlords rather than chieftains.

[daniel1uk]

that is total ignorance to the welsh language welsh should be the 1st language throughout wales and english second. most of us english don't like the forigners taking over england do we so why should we oppoose on to other country's what we try to intolorate from invading countries

[GetHomeInsurance]

That is a good tolerant attitude.

[3tangle3]

@daniel1uk England used to be welsh speaking itself which is ironic seeing ppl like NF and BNP

[longbow1415]

Makes me laugh, all up in arms about not speaking Welsh...doing it in English...explains everything you stupid Celtic Sheep sniffer fuckwits.

[isuckatguitar100]

@longbow1415 did u get bumraped by a welshman as a child or something? You spend alot of time making abusive comments on Wales related videos, are u a troll or just a loser?

[Lunoma]

yeah well I'm Irish and here in Ireland, I feel discriminated against if I try to speak Irish Gaelic and not English in many places. In my current job with is with an English company the only language one is permitted to communicate through is English so I'm not able to speak Irish, Polish can't speak Polish, etc. Gaeilg ar bith!!!

[siriusrex]

Fuck Thomas cooke,I,will definately not be doing any Travel business with them after hearing this.

[tnorthcote]

CYMRU AM BYTH!!!

[LeamingtonSteve]

wikichris has the right mindset- to paraphrase New Labour, PRIORITIES, PRIORITIES PRIORITIES!

[Sgwarnog]

Bye bye, Trollington...:-)

[LeamingtonSteve]

Don't you think the welsh language is a waste of time? Its dead like Latin, and why hold your kids back when English is the world language- what a waste!

[Sgwarnog]

You don't know much about the Welsh language, do you, Steve?!

And it's been shown that bilingual students do better than monoglots, so why would we want to be like you lot and just speak one language?

[LeamingtonSteve]

lol if you say so mate

[Sgwarnog]

Go on, then - tell us why Welsh is like Latin (and keep ignoring the fact that bilingualism has more advantages than monolingualism, because trolls don't like answering posts that prove them wrong, do they?)...

[LeamingtonSteve]

lol I haven't got the time pal.

[Gipsieboy]

typical response...obviously you're 'english'. Mind, no surprise as you english aren't even a race in the pure sense of the word. you're made up of nordic, french, germanic, roman,celt...no wonder you're threatened by the language of Cymru.

[LeamingtonSteve]

Gipsieboy are you so proud to be Welsh you live 12000 miles away from your motherland? lol

Vote with your feet- If I moved to Australia I would be a proud Australian... you need to keep up and not live in the past.

[Gipsieboy]

Actually i'm Romani from Slovakia originally.Then in my teens travelled throughout parts of Cymru and England,back to Slvakia then Germany and finally moving to Australia in 1992.Lived in New Zealand two yrs and back to Aust.

[Gipsieboy]

Here i work with indigenous groups to promote the same ideal for them to be able to speak in their native tongue.They to have to put up with an arrogant govt. that only wants them to speak english!I am proud to live in Australia, but to me the only true people of this land i reside now are the Koori,Murray,Waridjuri etc. The 'white invaders are not'.

[allyjpayne]

Does that inclued yourself?!

[Gipsieboy]

Quick history lesson...the Cymru are the true indigenous race of the land now called 'britain'. All who came after, celts included, are invaders. Your 'eng' and 'scot' are names given by Alexander the Great. 'scot-land', 'scotia' meaning 'dark' as it was thick with mist. 'eng' meaning 'wet/rain' as it rained alot. At least the Cymru and their tongue are ORIGINAL !!!

[LeamingtonSteve]

Maybe so, but I am a quarter Welsh- My grandfather was... I still don't bang on about racial purity and one folk stuff- that stuff went out with the Nazis.

[animalunaris]

Erm, England comes from Angle-Land, as in land of the Angles. And Scotland was named after the Scotti, the tribe that lived there.

[nokia6360port]

thats a classic statment! The english language decends from the vikings that came here many years ago!

[animalunaris]

The English language descends from a mixing of Norman French with Saxon and Anglic roots, laid upon a base of (controversial) P-Celtic influences. The Viking influence was due to a couple of Scandinavian Kings and the Danelaw which didn't descend very far South and thus mainly affected the Far North.

Mar sin féin, na boc leis, Tá mé cánt as Gaeilge anois....

[allyjpayne]

Ha! this is rich coming from a gipsy.

[animalunaris]

Well, the Picts got here first actually...then the Celts invaded and either absorbed or extinguished them. That's the way history works. Just like the way those people fleeing to Australia and America from the Highland Clearances enacted a similar genocide on the native people of those lands. It's not just the English who are white you know.

[ScelticOTLAND1]

"It's not just the English who are white you know. " what the fuck does that mean.

and the picts wher probably celts aswell

[animalunaris]

What that means is, the 'crimes of white people' seem to be blame-focused on white English people.

However although the English oppressed the Scottish, Welsh, Irish etc. so those Celtic nations when they emigrated to the New Worlds, did exactly the same thing to the races they found when they got there.

That's how history goes.

The Picts may have been Celts, that's one of a few different theories, none completely proven yet.

[ScelticOTLAND1]

i dont give a fuck if people "blame-focus" anything on me. i couldnt care less. all that stuff has got Nothing to do with me.

and scottish people didnt move to the "new world" and started opressing people. the majoriy of scottish people who moved to america. came there pretty late and started to work in factories and things like that

[animalunaris]

You know about the Highland Clearances though right?

[ScelticOTLAND1]

yes. whats ur point

[animalunaris]

My point is that most New Zealanders, Americans and Australians with Scottish blood or even Irish blood can trace their origins back to the clearances and the famine rather than modern emigration.

The Irish and Scottish people of those periods had very little choice about it, they just had to get out in order to survive.

[animalunaris]

Unfortunately for everyone concerned, the countries they fled to weren't empty and in order to take the land they pretty much had to repeat the things that were done to them on the aboriginal peoples they found there.

The English did the same things, but it's more ironic (not in the Alanis Morissette way) that it was done by people who had experienced the same themselves.

[ScelticOTLAND1]

bullshit mate. and lets pretend that they did those sthings I still really dint give a fuck. but we all know that the english wher fuckin up most of the things like they always did.

[animalunaris]

Of course they were there as well, I don't deny that.

History is only ever the point of view of the person reporting it anyway so it's up to you who and what you believe.

[ScelticOTLAND1]

what is you r point with all this. what are u getting at?

[animalunaris]

"nokia6360port (1 week ago) - thats a classic statment! The english language decends from the vikings that came here many years ago! "

This was all in answer to this guys post^^. I started off explaining how it wasn't Vikings who began the English Language, then you started talking to me. Youtube mangles the order of things so it's not clear.

[GetHomeInsurance]

The pics were not removed by the celtics. It is a myth that Irish Scottish conqured the picts in reality it was the other way round. But a scottish conquest myth developed. The Pictish kings became kings of the Scottish. So how is that conquest. The people of the north of Scotland are the picts.

[animalunaris]

No I'm talking about the Brythonic Celts, speaking Cumbric, not the later Goidelic speakers.

[gadgetboy1980]

You have a choice, buy from them or don't. Very pointless demo. Today's news, tomorrows fish and chips paper...

[wikichris]

There was a demo outside the hospital last year requesting to forcefully implement various Welsh translation activities. I would never force people not to speak their own language. Thomas Cook messed up but that's up to them. They'd be loads of jobs/choice in Wales if it wasn't for Welsh Nationalists. By all means protest but don't ask for other people's money for your own cause (government taxation) and realise it's a waste of time to stand in the street when people are dying from lack of funds

[wikichris]

No to government action. You can either not buy your holidays from them or not work there. Problem solved. Go and do something useful with your time like clean Ysbyty Gwynedd.

[Sgwarnog]

Oh right - problem solved if low earners who already have very few chances of getting on the housing ladder voluntarily resign from their work place? What utter nonsense. No to government action? What are you, some kind of dreamy-eyed libertarian? I bet you're all up for government action when they're emptying your bins...

[wikichris]

It would be their choice to resign. It's far more non-sensical to waste your time standing on Bangor high street talking rubbish! Yes, I am a libertarian and it's all too obvious why Welsh people are quite literally forced to struggle by people with views like Cymuned. I would actually prefer choice of emptying my bins. I was born, raised, and educated on Anglesey but must reside in England - there are hardly any jobs in Wales...I wonder why...

[Sgwarnog]

Priceless! Keep 'em coming - 'I would actually prefer choice of emptying my bins' is one of the funniest things I've read on here...:-) And you really are a libertarian - brilliant - the comedy interval of political discourse...

[Sgwarnog]

So you reckon there are 'hardly any jobs in Wales' because employers aren't allowed to control their staff's choice of language? Hmmm... underneath that pretty libertarian skin beats the heart of a control freak... 'Don't defend workers' rights - they're free to resign!' - you'd have got on a treat with Marie Antoinette...

[wikichris]

High unemployment & low wages because of Cymuned-like thinkers. It clearly is a loss maker for the welsh language to be pushed so hard otherwise everyone would do it of their own accord. You think you're protecting Welsh people but there are people in Wales without jobs because of people like you - but they just don't know it. It's a shame Welsh is dying but so are people in Ysbyty Gwynedd from dirty hospitals yet you want to incur more costs with Welsh translations etc. Sad times.

[Sgwarnog]

What a quick response! You should go and do something useful with your time... instead of posting your woolly-minded nonsense on here. Who said anything about translation?! And what does 'pushed so hard' mean? You believe it's okay to force people not to speak their own language - you're not a libertarian, you're a hypocrite.

[LeamingtonSteve]

wikichris- I shake your hand mate.all my welsh friends find this 'Welshification' patronising and a waste of time and money and opportunities! lol

[BobMonkfish]

Wales is sticking up for itself. Welsh not British.

[DaveyWms]

Travel agent Thomas Cook's request for Welsh speakers to discuss work in English "probably" breaks the law, says the Commission for Racial Equality. The Commission for Racial Equality in Wales said it would be consulting its lawyers, while the language society has already been in contact with the firm.

Commission director Chris Myant told BBC Radio Wales that Thomas Cook's policy was "quite probably" in breach of the Race Relations Act.