@carlousmagnus I'm for HC reform just not the shit the dems passed.Thanks for providing this info there is more conflicting info then what there should be online. You would think if either party was serious they would have started with making hmo's adhere to anti-trust laws.
Wrong again John. The ACE Inhibitors were first discovered in Brazil and developed in Britain before the US entered the game. Coronary bypass surgery was first performed in the US but there were significant contributions from Argentina and Russia. Hip replacement involved the Burmese. Knee replacement was pioneered by a Brit (L.G.P. Shiers).
Stossel talking about waiting a year in Britain. That's for elective surgery or treatment. Again sheer confusion to mix that in with serious conditions that need immediate attention.
What Stossel is saying is sheer confusion. It is incorrect to imply that 1 million people can't see a doctor in Canada. He should say 1 million can't get a personal doctor. Anyone can go into a free clinic and see a doctor anytime, without an appointment. There is a shortage of doctors that is true, but EVERYONE has access to the system. The lottery Stossel is talking about is a waiting list for a personal doctor, but all those on the list go to clinics until they are picked.
Could someone check this guy's stories? I live in a public health care country and I am not aware of any credible evidence of these horror stories happening ehre.
He's lying about the million who can't get a Doctor. He's lying about the killing each other. The vast majority of people don't kill each other. I won't have a big effect.
@alfamax4562 Libertarianism is an extreme form of Liberalism... the U.S. has perverted the term "liberal" by applying it to "Socialists", which are the left-wing.
@altarofmadness6 Hi Alta: People on YT are usually cruel to the misinformed, so I will change that and try to redirect you in a civil manner. As much as people like to blame everything in the US, the definition of liberal in America was taken from the British political discussion. The term liberal is defined differently in many countries and regions of the planet. BUT SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE USA, the definition of liberal places sb to the left of the political spectrum. Hope it helps.
@altarofmadness6 Libertarianism is actually not an extreme. Extremes are Fascism, Communism, Anarchism. The founders of this country were libertarians... do you think George Washington was an extremist? What is wrong or extreme about asking citizens to be more independent from gov subsidies and help, to be more self sufficient, and to embrace liberty and responsibility of their life??? Extreme? nah!
@alfamax4562 Not all of the founders were Libertarians, don't generalize. Hamilton is a great example. History has proven that Libertarianism is devastating to the proletariat. It does NOT amount to a better society; it gives way to private tyranny over the majority. Perhaps you should open a book on the labor movements between 1870-1920. Tens of thousands walked out of their jobs, employed by companies that were totally unconstrained by state involvement, which birth to the US Socialist Party.
@alfamax4562 They demanded higher wages, safer working conditions, fewer hours and an end to child labor. The sheer number of people involved effectively conveyed the damage done by deregulation. There were textile mills where 36 out of 100 people died within the first few years of working in the conditions, and it wasn't a choice. There were no other jobs available - most Industrial jobs demanded 60 hours a week or more, so more than job wasn't an option... it was impossible.
@alfamax4562 Also, we already see some of the devastation that private control has done to our country through their puppeteering of our elected officials. Imagine how the severity of the consequences when they have no legal framework to abide by? Libertarianism is idealistic and naive in an age where corporations reign in economic superiority, not Socialism. If you want a framework for another revolution, support Libertarian ideals.
@altarofmadness6 "Liberal" comes from "Classical Liberalism", a political ideology which political scientists clearly define. The only reason that "liberal" is different in the U.S. is because FDR didn't want to dub his policies "Socialist", because it was deemed an unattractive word at the time (it still is, oddly enough). Libertarianism is an extreme form of liberalism, and is just short of anarchism. It strips government down to almost nothing.
@Thetruthishere11 Nahhh... I think I will stay here in Canada with my Universal Healthcare. This doesn't change the fact that Stossel if full of crap, and lies through his teeth.
@Thetruthishere11 So you have experience in the Canadian Health care system? I am guessing not. And I am also guessing Stossel has no experience in the Can health care system either. In fact I know he doesn't because his claims are completely wrong. So until you have any actual knowledge to base your stupid opinions on, they are pretty much useless.
@Thetruthishere11 No you do not have to live somewhere. You DO however have to actually have knowledge of the subject, and it is clear to me that you possess none. And as far as Canadians going to the US to work, just the same as the Americans who come here for work. You are clearly just a uneducated fool, who has no idea what he is talking about. You are just one of these people who listen to fools, and believe what you are told. I guess as long as it keeps you blissfully ignorant.
@joe035 He misrepresented the death due to murder and accidents. The analysis he's using was simplistic and ignored, for example the effect of a good health care system on improving the favourable outcome rate for accidents.
He's also dishonest when he says "If you have public health care you'll get the Trebant (or whateever he said) car".
@JavaBlues If they wanted to fix healthcare they would take away the exemption HMO's have from antitrust laws. The solution is simple, the problem is we have a bunch of elected lawyers working on the solution!
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "CLOWAR-PIVEN Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
Who makes out the most under the new plan? The Insurance companies. Trust me - I work for one. They are elated! U people need to wake up - this bill is about Power. That's why they had to include everyone. Even those who don't need help. Why? Nat'l I.D. card!!! That's good right? No! Illegals are EXEMPT! Why have one then? Control. Plus, look for either Total Amnesty or a suspension of elections by 2012. The police state is coming! Prepare now!!!
Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform "a miracle" and a major victory for Obama's presidency, but couldn't help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform "a miracle" and a major victory for Obama's presidency, but couldn't help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
@jsmappy, it's funny how we demonize nations for their lack of democracy, but willfully turn a blind eye to how well they actually take care of their citizins' health. Here, we have democracy, but still have private entities screwing citizens over in broad day light. The top feeders just laugh and continue eating their pies. Citizens of this country need to stop watching American Idol and start educating themselves on who pockets their lively hoods at the end of day.
The niggers and mexicans want a free ride in our society, on the backs of those (like myself) who are rich. Well, go to hell. White people are SICK and TIRED of paying for you stupid morons who don't know how to stop breeding like aids infested rats and roaches!
Universal health care would be good. If we are such an ambitious nation full of inventor, John, then why don't you have enough confidence that we will revolutionaize healthcare in the universal aspect with our enginuity? What we tend to forget is that people like John CAN afford healthcare. He can buy it, but for the 10 million or so, who don't have a lick of a dime, it's a different story.
This is not a technological problem that can be solved by creativity and ingenuity. This is a Ponzi scheme, being used to wade into our taxpayer funds just as the "affordable housing" gimmick did a decade ago.
Our economy is already crippled, so there isn't much else left to steal. That's why the Democrats are now turing to health care "reform". People are not stupid, they know thye're about to be robbed and they're outraged.
And the US Congress will pass it anyway, regardless.
The point is that why should we be forced to have health care? Not everyone can afford it so therefore not everyone can have it. What's our solution? Everyone should be able to have it even though we don't have to money to fund it?
right, we don't have the fund for universal....sure. Why don't we stop the wars, stop the insignifican, wasteful programs run by feds and states, etc? There are a lot of things we throw tax payer money on, all just goes into a black hole. The most important things to spend money on as a nation is education and healthcare. Why are we importing software engineers? Because we spend on shit that we could do without and ignore the things that we CAN'T do without.
@unnst We should stop wars and programs that waste our money. I don't see how universal health care would be a good thing for us. America is only borrowing money and not producing like other countries. We should try to build factories and farmlands before we waste money on universal health care since we can't afford it.
... "The point is that why should we be forced to have health care?".....forced? that's how you see it. For the millions who don't have it, it's called help and security. So that one day, if they lose a leg or a finger, they wouldn't have to pay $80000 and work their entire life trying shell out for hospitals that charge $120 for a $1 toothbrush. Again, "force" is not the right word. And, just because you're doing okay, doesn't mean others are too.
did you know hospitals have charged $110 for a toothbrush and the insurance companies have just paid those amounts blindly until patients have actually complained.
@Riis30 must be nice to be all "happy" when you don't have to worry about national defense because the American tax payer has your back. How nice you give all your money to the government to ration out for you instead of yourself giving it out. Your obviously too dumb to handle your own money, let the government do it for you
You know what "STONER"~~~~GET REAL~!! at least for few moments. Clinton left office with a budget SURPLUS.. (You DOLT!) Everytime the Republicans get in office: It's WARS ON FALSE PRETENSES and LIE to the people! Are you familiar with Iran-Contra? Google it, you stoned out moron. Clinton is smarter than four George W's. Clinton is smarter than two Geroge H.W. Bushes. Obama is as smart as Clinton...Clinton was color-blind. Obama has color. Obama IS a great president. You don't know it yet.
Where does this misinformed guy conclude people are getting something for free? When a non-corrupt government pays for healthcare of its citizens, healthcare is paid for through taxation. Countries with the highest taxation have better healthcare. Corruption & greed are the fundamental barriers to the basic human right of healthcare.
These people somehow feel that their right to spend their time and effort on accruing wealth instead of helping out their fellow man. Sad state of affairs.
They would rather spend trillions & billions to sacrifice the lives of the poor & middle class in war. He mentioned East Germany ... did he bother to make people aware the Soviet Union was the first to put a human & woman into outerspace.
400 mergers in the last decade and single HMO's doing 56% of the undrewriting and government not enforcing antitrust laws is in large part of the ever increasing costs. Not to mention state set criteria and individual abuse because of no personal accountability.
Amnesty International & the Red Cross report on human rights violations. Part of the investigations entail checking on the health & well being of individuals. One can argue America has an oligarchy type healthcare system. No one in America evades paying taxes (sales, income, property etc. etc. etc.). Debating healthcare is similar to debating human rights. The government is capable of bailing out Wallstreet ... certainly we can care for the health of our people.
Employers pay for insurance directly, it's part of an employee's compensation. Over the years, American workers have been giving their raises to insurance providers instead of it going to themselves. Stossell is a moron claiming it's unsustainable. Other countries have sustained their more economically efficient systems. Big money would be lost by insurance, but gained by workers if the right policy is made. Don't believe a shill like Stossell, he's lying. You can talk to other countries & see.
republicans are simply thieves and liars , no matter what the compromise , no matter what the consession , no matter what the attempt is to sit down together and work for a bill , law , or plan that would fulfill a simple humanitarian need , of health care for the sick , they simply say no , no , no later , not now , while blue cross and others raise their rates higher , and higher , and less of us people can afford insurance everyday, this should be about all of us , but the wealthy prevail.
You are simply an economic illiterate that does not understand how government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem. And No one on the panel opposed to socialized medicine is a Republican, they are all Libertarians.
@TimeWarp66 hooray!!! some with not a pollyanna unrealistic view of things.I'm soooo tired of libs! gov't run healthcare will transform our nation into !!@^$#@$%
@jwachauf Look into all the HMO mergers over the last decade and you will realize government has not enforced any antitrust laws. Look deeper and you will discover state set criteria for what insurances must offer are also a HUGE cost factor. Stop spewing liberal rhetoric there as wealthy as any republican.
@oeyesea France 120% debt to GDP Japan 160% debt to GDP Canada 60% debt to GDP. Persons who survive cancer 5 years after diagnoses US 65% UK 15% Canada 43%. Persons who recieve treatment for diabetes 6 months after diagnosis US 93% UK 15% Canada 43%. Seniors who recieve hip replacement within 6 months US 90% UK 15% Canada 43%. I could go on educating you but am only allowed so long of a response. So do yourself a favor confirm my statistics and stop buying into liberal lies!!
@TheUSMetalhead Here are some of the sources you can confirm my information if the TRUTH matters to you? United Nations International Health Organization. See :Healthcare statistical data. National Center Policy Analysis. is another source. You will find some of the statistics vary due to time of year and variables such as preventative care, but over all the US leads in cancer survival, technology and most other areas. I am for reform but this Bill is pure shit.
So we lead in tech which I knew and only by a fraction with 6 other countries on our tail, and cancer survival rates which are much to unstable to truly formulate into a yearly percentage. OK. Lets talk cons. We lead the world in most expensive health care at 16% of our GDP, no country comes close. We're ranked #72/191 in overall health, #50 in life expectancy, #33/195 in infant mortality, we are the ONLY wealthy industrialized nation without universal care and over 20% have NO insurance. HMmmm
Where did you get your facts? I found a report that states the opposite of your diabetes facts.
Insurance companies will allow people to go untreated until they are on medicare so the government picks up the tab when these issues become severe.
Also its funny you use the hip replacement as an example, Seniors are on Medicare a government ran program. Maybe the US government can do something right.
@Thetruthishere11 We all have internet access, if we all looked the facts of the issue instead of the emotions there would be nothing to argue. I am for HC reform, but the bill they passed is a sick joke. The arguement from the libs that people are going bankrupt and being allowed to die is easily fixed. Not allowing preexisting conditions and mandating HMO's to compete for our business with catastrophic coverage as individuals no more group plans makes it affordable & you can buy up from there
It's actually worse in England than Canada because in England the government actually runs the hospitals. Doctors and nurses are government workers. In Canada hospitals are private, but bills are paid entirely by the government.
@onixz100 I'm sure your right these idiots are attempting to pass a 1.1 Trillion dollar spending Bill, I guess the incumbants didn't get the message in November. I wish I had a money tree called the federal reserve printing me up cash. I really enjoy the liberal mindset if this doesn't work we will just try something else as if there were not consequences for the bad decisions.
@LexPhilogus I am for healthcare reform, my point wasn't to advocate against it ONLY the HC Bill our degenerate politicians put into law. You can verify those stats through WHO & other sources. Statistics vary as different countries define their mortality rate & cause differently. HMO's have a monopoly in most major markets doing over 50% of the underwriting. We need more competition & law not denying preexisting conditions, NOTHING else!
@Dtwaine I'm for healthcare reform, been paying ferrari prices for shitty coverage for years. The truth is neither Establishment Republicans or Democrats give a shit about you & me as if they did they wouldn't have bargained with HMO's & catered to Pharma. Single payer would have been better then the shit they passed, but then we would have another inept govt entity. Best solution no more govt or Corporate HC plans we all buy as Individuals & HMO's adhere to antitrust laws. Medicare 4 poor!!
I don't want my hard earned money to be used for somebody else's health care. I want to be able to support my family however i choose. it is called freedom. This is how America is unfortunately becoming socialistic
The reason why the US pays more for health insurance than other 'developed' nations is because of our tax code; employer provided health insurance is not taxed, therefore people are NOT incentivized to shop around for cheaper prices, as a third party foots the bill. Thus costs keep going up, and there's no competition via lower costs. Also, we don't have the govt pay for our car insurance, or fire insurance, so why health care?
@scattt I love it when people say because we have mandatory car insurance that we should have mandatory health. What a stupid moronic analogy, It is your CAR that is insured in the case or injuring or killing someone else NOT YOU!!We do need reform but let's not be in a hurry and let each side say its piece.
Lets see!? Some kid working at Mc Donald's taking care of his sick Grandfather fails to pay an insurance premium and ends up in jail? Duuuuhhh, sounds more like, chains for America to me....
Stossel loves to tell people that medicare is 35 trillion dollars in the hole, but the reason it is like is that the government dips into to pay for wars and programs without paying for them. This was done especially by Republican presidents Reagan, and the Bushes.
Private health insurance is based on a assymetry of information which forces parties to lie and exploit the other. Unfortunantly those most exploited are the sick, who are denied coverage using bad excuses to save cost. Federally funded and mandated scheme is best worst solution to problem. Instead idiocy rules the debate; when people cite Hitler, you lose the debate.
if you dont like healthinurance companies, DONT BUY HEALTH INSURANCE! i have health insurance, and never had a problem. had one knee surghery and two shoulder surgiries...my doctors were always paid in timely fashion. when my wife gave birth to our first born she required a c-section, cost $14,000. my insurance co paid it w/out any questions asked. this notion that insurance co's are screwing everyone is rediculous. they cover what they say they cover...just read your policy.
It is well known that universal healthcare systems are cheaper, as evident thoughout the world. The level of care is not significantly lower on any scale which would even come close to explaining the US spending nearly double the amount other systems do. The insurance market is plagued by problems of information assymetry which leads to ineffiencies and negative incentives. I'm not interested in your petty life, inacurate inferences and Republican factoids. My points stand.
Actually it depends what scale you use. The point was you don't increase costs by nearly 100% for a couple of percentage points increases in outcomes. Do you understand that point? Uiversal systems also have vary good outcomes and are able to cover nearly all, or all of a population. This is elementry school logic. There is reason no developed country has the US system.
Incorrect. On ANY scale the US has by far the best healthcare avail. There's a reason presidents/heads of state from all over the world come here when they get sick or require complicated surgery. You seem to be under the illusion that the US healthcare level is "slightly" better than those of countries that employ a universal health care system - this notion is false. We have the best care available because the system incentivizes great quality care and innovation. A Universal system does not.
@pcurley28 It really matters little if the US was better in every catergory though there is no evidence for this at all (less jingoism please), it doesn't in anway explain between 50 - 100% increase in costs. The US' ability to treat third world heads of state is again irrelevant. The rest of your comment again is just meaningless truisms from a daytime TV ad. Universal systems are cheaper, universal, and compete on every scale with a pure market system. They are also sources of innovation.
@pcurley28 Insurance companies could create premiums based on income and family size (I don't know if they do.). If they may get more customes and prices may go down.
This is one huge logical fallacy. First because its free, the presumption is the resrouces will be used up. I don't know why anyone would go to the doctor without being ill first; providing healthcare free should not increase the ill, actually free preventative care should decrease it. So then second presumption is healthcare is rationed due to this unfounded demand, however this already occurs but instead of using clinical grounds, rationing occurs via income. Illogical and unethical.
Completely logical and ethical. Your theory is severely flawed as evident by the models provided by Canada and England (any many other countries that employ a universal healthcare system). Being ill first has nothing to do with it. Bottom line is that you cannot, and will never be able to, show me one, JUST ONE, country that has implemented an economically sustainable universal healthcare system. I wont even mention the fact that in every case with out exception the quality of care plummets.
You wrote, "US system is INFINITELY BETTER than Canada's. "
Every statistical data to this date compiled by every independent organizations gives the opposite conclusion. From health outcomes (quality) of the citizens of these 2 countries to number people served to amount of money spent simply puts your claims to rest.
Fox and the rest of the pathetic 'news' outlets have nothing to lose by making headlines out of nothing. Glen Beck and the rest of the paranoid right-wing nuts lose nothing by scaring old folks and the loud minority who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. To quote my English grandmother. Fox et al make big advertising money by scaring people that's the bottom line. They are liars.
Fox is the ONLY tv news channel that tells the truth about healthcare. ONLY Fox and John Stossel and George Will and Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs have any common sense about healthcare.
It's simply unbelievable that every other industrialized nation in the world has universal healthcare except the U.S. We brag about being the greatest nation in the world yet we can't even provide proper care for the less fortunate. It's a discrace. Men like Stossel who are bought and payed for by corporations do nothing but promote misinformation and try to scare people. Private healthcare is bleeding this country dry. There must be regulations and government competition!!
It's not a government takeover. It's competition and reform. There is nothing moral about the private healthcare corporations. Private healthcare companies make the oil companies look like the salvation army. They make money by denying people coverage and procedures. Where's the morality in that? We need the government to step in to stop the healthcare cartel from continuing to bleed this country dry. Single payer is the answer! We should accept nothing less.
" A man in a Philadelphia emergency room died after waiting nearly 80 minutes for help - and a trio of homeless drug addicts nearby stole his watch instead of seeking aid, police said" News item. Nov. 30 2009. Does the US have more stories like this to look forward to? Yep. Thanks to all the ignorant naysayers against Universal HC. Pitiful.
Herbs you obviously have no real opinion on this issue. To say single payer is evil is laughable. The fact that you think Fox news is actually news, and you think they tell the truth, explains your comments and why they lack any substance. You go ahead and support the billionaire health insurance companies. I'll continue to stand for the much more noble cause. That is the welfare of my fellow people of this great nation, who are suffering and dying at the hands of these bloodsucking companies.
Private property is an inalienable right. Single-payer demands that government STEAL from every healthcare company and every consumer their right to choice and competition in the marketplace. Therefore Single-payer is completely and irredeemably EVIL.
The more noble cause is PRIVATE healthcare and LIBERTY, not government tyranny.
You just spew nonsense. Private healthcare companies are stealing from the government and the citizens. And yes I want a choice. A choice to have my medical provided by the government, not some bloodsucking corporation that would rather see me die so that their shareholders can make some extra cash. It's quite obvious you are terribly uninformed or misinformed or just plain stupid. The only other countries on this planet without universal healthcare are third world contries. Healthcare for all!!
What you say is complete nonsense. Private healthcare companies have EVERY RIGHT to operate. Government has NO RIGHT to be involved in healthcare AT ALL.
You have no argument for any of this. Your statements are rediculous. Private insurance has the right to provide healthcare, yes. But the government should be involved and it has the right to. And your statement " Only private healthcare serves all" is complete crap. Private healthcare refuses to cover millions of people because pre existing conditions. Which also contradicts your statement that they are moral. I am done responding to you. You"re a fucking retard and have no logical input.
Again you are brainwashed by myths. Government denies MORE and refuses MORE care than private insurance ever does. Private insurance is always more fair and more moral than government.
And people with pre-existing conditions SHOULD pay more for their coverage. But the government tyrannically stops insurance companies from charging reasonable rates. Therefore the reason anyone is ever refused coverage for a pre-existing condition is 100% the fault of the government. Government is the problem.
Deicidal Tendencies- everyone who wants universal or gov.run healthcare are like bugs flying around in the dark. That light looks so pretty from afar, almost mesmerizing. But once you realize that the light is a bug-zapper...its too late. There is no "choice" in the "government option". Once it is put in place, it will force private insurance out of business. This is the plan- make no mistake. This is about control of 1/6 of the economy and nothing more.
Oh just like the post office put UPS and Fed Ex out of buisiness? Just like public libraries put Book stores and Amazon out of Buisiness? Just like public schools put private schools out of buisiness? WRONG!!
Are you seriously going to hang your case on the post office, public lib, and public schools? You are making my case for me. Everyone of these are great examples of waste, inefficiency and ineffectiveness. Not one of them would still be around if they were not subsidized by the federal government. My point was that private companies have to be efficient or they go out of business; government programs do not, if they run a deficit they just raise taxes to pay for it.
Ooohh right. Like the banks. Companies that ran so inefficiently and are so corrupt that the tax payers had to bail them out. And now the banks that were too big to fail are now just bigger and more powerful. Guess that whole "if companies are inefficient they go out buisiness" comment is bull crap. And I didn't make any case for you. I destroyed your argument that if government gets involved it would take over. Hence the examples put forth. No government take over there. Then y healthcare?
your arguments are almost juvenile ecidalTendencies. Post Office: BROKE! Public Libraries: BROKE! They shut down four in my city alone. Public Schools: REALLY, you use this as an example? I don't even need to comment on this one. You are shallow, too say the least. Wanna know why you pay so much for health care: government. Trillions of dollars are lost and stolen every year when government involves itself. Read a couple of books. You tell me...what does government do well????
dumb ass. How in the hell would a shareholder make money if there were no consumers for the products that they invest in? Talk about "just plain stupid", you epitomize that statement. You talk about a "bloodsucking corporation"..then in the same breath you want to feed off of the government. At no cost to you of course. Is that not the definition of "bloodsucking". You are obviously the un-educated, misinformed one in this conversation. Inform yourself about the Constitution you idiot,then post!
Wow aren't you a genius. First off what products do health insurance Co. produce? Nothing! They make money by denying coverage and treatments. So yes they are bloodsucking leaches. And if you think they actually make a product or provide any service, then it is you who is the dumb ass. And no I don' want to feed off the government. If you had any real uderstanding of what is being talked about you would realize people would be contrubuting through premiums and through taxes.
Trillions of dollars are stolen by corporations. Just like Pfizer. Settled for 1.8 billion. SETTLED!! Because they were cheating the Govnt. And government does many things well. Medicare for one. People love there medicare. The VA is another. How about the military, you saying our military sucks? Not very patriotic are you. I read plenty and I am sure you don't. And what part of the constitution should I read. I like the part that says "to promote the general welfare" Maybe like healthcare.
hospitals dealing with medicare/medicaid steal from the "taxpayer" not the "federal gov't " ALL THE TIME! Hospitals AND doctors double bill the gov't for services rendered. They also charge for services never rendered. Taxpayers lose TRILLIONS every year just because of this practice. When the gov't catches them, they simply bill them. No penalties, no fines, no jail time. "you just pay us the over amount". That's what you get when the gov't runs things. inefficiency. it's not their money...
please read the book "national suicide" by Martin Gross. He lays out from A-Z all the programs the government runs and the money spent on these programs. The eyeopening thing about this book is how much money is wasted, lost or just outright STOLEN from the U.S. taxpayer. $500 billion here, $1 trillion there, $800 billion more here...oops...we lost $600 billion. it adda up to trillion and trillion of dollars a year. If after reading this book, you still want gov't run health care...God help us!
gov't does medicare well...this is laughable. denirio is right, you obviously have no glue as to how many TRILLIONS of dollars in UNFUNDED liabilities the "well" run gov't medicare program has. typical liberal - looks at only the intent and not the actual results, and forget about how its going to be paid for. i know you're slow so forget about everything ive written and remember just this one thing: the government cannot give away anything it has not TAKEN from someone else. nothing is free.
@pcurley28 The reason why medicare is in the hole is because the government dips into the medicare fund to finance programs and wars without generating it else where. I blame both political parties for this.
@luvs2teach00 That's what you call a "ponzi" scheme; it happened w/ social security. What do you think would happen if we let the gov't run health care? think on that.
Son..you seem to confuse the word "promote" with the word "provide" You have no clue as to what you are reading when you read the Constitution. You and your idiot liberal ilk. You seem to confuse the Preamble,"a mission statement" with the Articles of the Confederation- the part that gives our government power. Nowhere in the Articles does it even come close to giving the government power over our health. You must read further than the first couple lines of the Constitution..if you can make it
Hey asshole...no one had health insurance prior to the 50's. If you got sick you paid cash to go to the doctor. This b.s. that we're "entitled to health insurance" is a crock of shit. "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that's all we're guaranteed. The Constitution says that the government cannot take any of those things away. The only thing our federal government is supposed to do is protect us from enemies "foreign and domestic". So no, I don't believe that you read much.
You're wrong. The US is a prime example of what happends when u don't learn from your mistakes, that you're doomed to repeat them. Over and over. It's pathetic.
what exactly was i wrong about? is it..if we grant entitlements to every citizen we go broke? is it..if we give entitlements to everyone we promote laziness and class warfare? what exactly are we doomed to repeat? Rome fell from within. people look to federal dollars as manna from God. they are not federal dollars, they are my dollars. The gov't doesn't produce anything and sell it. government money comes through federal theft of its people. Federal money is a shakedown and nothing more.
Well you have some issues that even God would have a problem fixing. As for heathcare insurance reform, it is the single most difficult bill to enact with all the problems and circumstances in todays medical market. Your blanket statements of doom and gloom are rather pathetic since it will take the most comprehesive work of any politicians lifetime to enact a bill that could address all the problems with our medical system since it is hamstrung to monopolistic health insurance companies.
Hey, instead of us adopting a gov't plan why don't they put a bill out that makes congress and gov't employees require to get privatized insurance? I would love to hear the debate on that one in congress
John Stossel is one of the most intelligent people on healthcare. Government will make every single issue of healthcare worse. It is morally IMPERATIVE to get greedy parasitic government out of healthcare and restore liberty to the people.
greedy parasitic government. its actually the other way around. private industry has taken control of government and used it to protect corporations from market forces
example, pentagon.
the military has spent trillions on research and development only to give it away to corporations for free. there was study done by a MIT professor that showed that over the last 25 years automation has been designed by the military and used by private industry to lower skill needed for workers
Post office serves NO NEED. It ONLY has a place in the "market" because it forbids any private business to compete with it for items shipped for less than $3. There is NO NEED for the post office at all. And the post office must be subsidized by stealing from the productive private sector. The very existence of the Post Office is an injustice. In a just society, there would be NO government post office at all.
Which post office are you talking about? If you want to ship a package to a friend in a timely fashion, you're better off using UPS or FedEx, not US Mail. Once we socialize medicine, what happens next? Who's going to provide the life-saving drugs and innovations? The government? Nearly all crucial drugs taken to save lives were created by the private sector. In a few years time, you'll be complaining that drugs are too expensive and not good enough.
Post office is awesome? Are you a government worker? Are you from the UK? If so why did you have to move from such a terrific place? If government was not corrupt you might have a point, but most of us know they cannot be trusted. By the way the post office is bankrupt also, want another failure to be controlled by them?.
I'm originally from the UK and moved here to Nashville TN for the music scene.
I'd visited many times before moving here.
It's a terrific country to live in. Lots of space and values for money far exceeds that of the UK and Europe in general.
My only beef is the healthcare system. This is not good value for money.
Way too many people making way too much money for a system that wouldn't have half as much demand at these prices if they had a choice as to whether or not to get sick. cont......
If you can't afford an expensive car, then you don't buy one, if you can't afford a big house, then you get a small one.
Bad health can hit anyone regardless of lifestyle wether or not you want it.
It's not really a supply and demand business. The prices are raised by eveyone in the business significantly because doctors, hospitals, HMO's etc. know that if you have a life threatening illness, you 'll get treatment regardless of the price.
So they all put the price up....i.e. Care for Profit
We also have a problem silky, of the rich figuring out ways to get over on the middle class and the whole world. And it hurts the markets around the world, not just ours. These bankers sold mortgages that were "C" at best as "A" prime goods that would be payed back. See how corporations really run our system. We are not "we the people" we are "we the corporations" And every republican and some backwoods Dems are bought off with jobs and money when they leave office.
If you are a filthy rich congressman we have a better chance he/she will vote the will of the people. The rest are hedging their bets and looking out for numero uno. McCain is filthy rich enough since he married Queen Coors and he sometimes is on the right side of history. But he started out poor in the republicon party and stayed their. So he is really on the fence. No one will ever know where he is coming from. Bush had some money but still raped our economy in favor of the wealthy.
Some of the posts on here sound like they work for the insurance companies. I bet Stossel has put in a call or two to Aetna or Cigna in Hartford where Lieberman is from. lol
I agree herb just do not let insurance companies game us for 30% of the take. I got better odds in a casino because the government regulates their take. Imagine that. regulations something Bush and Cheney forgot to investigate while they were in office.
the 30% number is a total myth. Insurance companies profit margins are only 1% to 5% (average 2.2%) -- incredibly tight margins, tighter than most other industries. Wherever you got 30%, you have been lied to.
you can't stand the truth. Insurance companies make very little profit despite enduring endless government persecution and intrusion. Government is entirely to blame for the problems of health insurance. If the parasitic government would get out of the way, insurance would be much improved by responsible adults.
Please herb lay off the herb. Insurance companies have no part in healthcare period. Why should anyone pay them to decide if we are covered or not covered under a policy that we pay for. But they do it all the time. So to you a pre-existing condition would be pay me and loose your insurance anyways. You corporate insurance handmaidens are a joke. Like anyone would believe that insurance does not make a profit. LOLOLOL 1% profit would have them lining up in a circular firing squad.
Why do braindead socialists always pretend that people who want liberty are connected to insurance? Your refusal to respect people who respect liberty spells your certain doom. 2010 will be a landslide defeat of the Demoncrats and their evil plans to takeover people's God-given right to private healthcare decisions.
Help regulate herbs own insurance company so there can be a real competition and not the smoke he keeps blowing. Herb no one believes you and they know only money by your company thrown around DC is the only thing keeping the debate open. If this healthcare don't pass now it will pass sometime because you are a greedy corporatist with money as your only prize.
The decision of whether to be covered by insurance should be entirely private and government has no right to interfere at all.
And stop WHINING about a "pre-existing condition". People with a "pre-existing condition" SHOULD be charged more because they are higher risks. Insurance companies are absolutely right to charge more for higher-risk patients.
I was forced to stop taking him seriously when he suggested that British people were pulling their own teeth over the 'horrible' NHS.
And people will buy that bullshit, too.
ColonelPandabear 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
RON PAUL 2012!!!
iluvpoliticzz 3 months ago
We should ban the word "Universal"
iluvpoliticzz 4 months ago
@carlousmagnus I'm for HC reform just not the shit the dems passed.Thanks for providing this info there is more conflicting info then what there should be online. You would think if either party was serious they would have started with making hmo's adhere to anti-trust laws.
joe035 6 months ago
Some of his shit is provably untrue at one point or another
denverpost. com/opinion/ci_12523427
GeneralJakass 7 months ago
Wrong again John. The ACE Inhibitors were first discovered in Brazil and developed in Britain before the US entered the game. Coronary bypass surgery was first performed in the US but there were significant contributions from Argentina and Russia. Hip replacement involved the Burmese. Knee replacement was pioneered by a Brit (L.G.P. Shiers).
indoctus41 9 months ago
Stossel talking about waiting a year in Britain. That's for elective surgery or treatment. Again sheer confusion to mix that in with serious conditions that need immediate attention.
indoctus41 9 months ago
What Stossel is saying is sheer confusion. It is incorrect to imply that 1 million people can't see a doctor in Canada. He should say 1 million can't get a personal doctor. Anyone can go into a free clinic and see a doctor anytime, without an appointment. There is a shortage of doctors that is true, but EVERYONE has access to the system. The lottery Stossel is talking about is a waiting list for a personal doctor, but all those on the list go to clinics until they are picked.
indoctus41 9 months ago
Could someone check this guy's stories? I live in a public health care country and I am not aware of any credible evidence of these horror stories happening ehre.
macroman52 10 months ago
He's lying about the million who can't get a Doctor. He's lying about the killing each other. The vast majority of people don't kill each other. I won't have a big effect.
JavaBlues 1 year ago
@Zomboid1000 Krugman shouldn't be allowed to teach. Parents are paying top dollar to have their kids dumbed up by that guy, amazing.
joe035 1 year ago
@Zomboid1000 liberal mind vs libertarian mind... that simple
alfamax4562 1 year ago
@alfamax4562 Libertarianism is an extreme form of Liberalism... the U.S. has perverted the term "liberal" by applying it to "Socialists", which are the left-wing.
altarofmadness6 11 months ago
@altarofmadness6 Hi Alta: People on YT are usually cruel to the misinformed, so I will change that and try to redirect you in a civil manner. As much as people like to blame everything in the US, the definition of liberal in America was taken from the British political discussion. The term liberal is defined differently in many countries and regions of the planet. BUT SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE USA, the definition of liberal places sb to the left of the political spectrum. Hope it helps.
alfamax4562 11 months ago
@altarofmadness6 Libertarianism is actually not an extreme. Extremes are Fascism, Communism, Anarchism. The founders of this country were libertarians... do you think George Washington was an extremist? What is wrong or extreme about asking citizens to be more independent from gov subsidies and help, to be more self sufficient, and to embrace liberty and responsibility of their life??? Extreme? nah!
alfamax4562 11 months ago
@alfamax4562 Not all of the founders were Libertarians, don't generalize. Hamilton is a great example. History has proven that Libertarianism is devastating to the proletariat. It does NOT amount to a better society; it gives way to private tyranny over the majority. Perhaps you should open a book on the labor movements between 1870-1920. Tens of thousands walked out of their jobs, employed by companies that were totally unconstrained by state involvement, which birth to the US Socialist Party.
altarofmadness6 11 months ago
@altarofmadness6
It's 2011,
No one buy's this Marxist crap anymore.
TimeWarp66 10 months ago 2
@alfamax4562 They demanded higher wages, safer working conditions, fewer hours and an end to child labor. The sheer number of people involved effectively conveyed the damage done by deregulation. There were textile mills where 36 out of 100 people died within the first few years of working in the conditions, and it wasn't a choice. There were no other jobs available - most Industrial jobs demanded 60 hours a week or more, so more than job wasn't an option... it was impossible.
altarofmadness6 11 months ago
@alfamax4562 Also, we already see some of the devastation that private control has done to our country through their puppeteering of our elected officials. Imagine how the severity of the consequences when they have no legal framework to abide by? Libertarianism is idealistic and naive in an age where corporations reign in economic superiority, not Socialism. If you want a framework for another revolution, support Libertarian ideals.
altarofmadness6 11 months ago
@altarofmadness6 "Liberal" comes from "Classical Liberalism", a political ideology which political scientists clearly define. The only reason that "liberal" is different in the U.S. is because FDR didn't want to dub his policies "Socialist", because it was deemed an unattractive word at the time (it still is, oddly enough). Libertarianism is an extreme form of liberalism, and is just short of anarchism. It strips government down to almost nothing.
altarofmadness6 11 months ago
John Stossel comment on universal healthcare where it is free is a false. It is not free rather the people pay for it by way of taxes.
biaten 1 year ago
Stossel should be a politician because he is as dishonest as they come. He is so full of crap it is not funny.
quedorf 1 year ago
@quedorf
spoken like a true shyster and dummycrat.
Move to Cuba douche.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 Nahhh... I think I will stay here in Canada with my Universal Healthcare. This doesn't change the fact that Stossel if full of crap, and lies through his teeth.
quedorf 1 year ago
@quedorf
Truth not lies. enjoy the wait when you have cancer fool.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 So you have experience in the Canadian Health care system? I am guessing not. And I am also guessing Stossel has no experience in the Can health care system either. In fact I know he doesn't because his claims are completely wrong. So until you have any actual knowledge to base your stupid opinions on, they are pretty much useless.
quedorf 1 year ago
@quedorf
So i have to live there to know socialism and collectivism sucks?
lol.
Come on. You're program is used in EVERY socialist country on the planet including mexico.
Guess where the Mexicans and Canadians come for work?
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 No you do not have to live somewhere. You DO however have to actually have knowledge of the subject, and it is clear to me that you possess none. And as far as Canadians going to the US to work, just the same as the Americans who come here for work. You are clearly just a uneducated fool, who has no idea what he is talking about. You are just one of these people who listen to fools, and believe what you are told. I guess as long as it keeps you blissfully ignorant.
quedorf 1 year ago
@quedorf
More dishonesty from Cannucks.
Tons of your people come down here for work. Including doctors.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@quedorf You say Stossel is dishonest please reference me where or what he lied about?
joe035 1 year ago
@joe035 He misrepresented the death due to murder and accidents. The analysis he's using was simplistic and ignored, for example the effect of a good health care system on improving the favourable outcome rate for accidents.
He's also dishonest when he says "If you have public health care you'll get the Trebant (or whateever he said) car".
JavaBlues 1 year ago
@JavaBlues If they wanted to fix healthcare they would take away the exemption HMO's have from antitrust laws. The solution is simple, the problem is we have a bunch of elected lawyers working on the solution!
joe035 1 year ago
We shoved healthcare and now we gonna shove Amnesty for 11,000000
down your throat. Then Cap/Trade. You Reps cand stop us
speakingtruuth 1 year ago
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
jsmappy 1 year ago
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "CLOWAR-PIVEN Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
jsmappy 1 year ago
Who makes out the most under the new plan? The Insurance companies. Trust me - I work for one. They are elated! U people need to wake up - this bill is about Power. That's why they had to include everyone. Even those who don't need help. Why? Nat'l I.D. card!!! That's good right? No! Illegals are EXEMPT! Why have one then? Control. Plus, look for either Total Amnesty or a suspension of elections by 2012. The police state is coming! Prepare now!!!
jsmappy 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform "a miracle" and a major victory for Obama's presidency, but couldn't help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
jsmappy 1 year ago
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
jsmappy 1 year ago
Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform "a miracle" and a major victory for Obama's presidency, but couldn't help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
---------
Enough said!
jsmappy 1 year ago
@jsmappy really? lol ty for the info. I'll use that.
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@jsmappy, it's funny how we demonize nations for their lack of democracy, but willfully turn a blind eye to how well they actually take care of their citizins' health. Here, we have democracy, but still have private entities screwing citizens over in broad day light. The top feeders just laugh and continue eating their pies. Citizens of this country need to stop watching American Idol and start educating themselves on who pockets their lively hoods at the end of day.
unnst 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The niggers and mexicans want a free ride in our society, on the backs of those (like myself) who are rich. Well, go to hell. White people are SICK and TIRED of paying for you stupid morons who don't know how to stop breeding like aids infested rats and roaches!
TeaPartyPatroit 1 year ago
Universal health care would be good. If we are such an ambitious nation full of inventor, John, then why don't you have enough confidence that we will revolutionaize healthcare in the universal aspect with our enginuity? What we tend to forget is that people like John CAN afford healthcare. He can buy it, but for the 10 million or so, who don't have a lick of a dime, it's a different story.
unnst 1 year ago
This is not a technological problem that can be solved by creativity and ingenuity. This is a Ponzi scheme, being used to wade into our taxpayer funds just as the "affordable housing" gimmick did a decade ago.
Our economy is already crippled, so there isn't much else left to steal. That's why the Democrats are now turing to health care "reform". People are not stupid, they know thye're about to be robbed and they're outraged.
And the US Congress will pass it anyway, regardless.
DrCruel 1 year ago
The point is that why should we be forced to have health care? Not everyone can afford it so therefore not everyone can have it. What's our solution? Everyone should be able to have it even though we don't have to money to fund it?
Sawbucks23 1 year ago
right, we don't have the fund for universal....sure. Why don't we stop the wars, stop the insignifican, wasteful programs run by feds and states, etc? There are a lot of things we throw tax payer money on, all just goes into a black hole. The most important things to spend money on as a nation is education and healthcare. Why are we importing software engineers? Because we spend on shit that we could do without and ignore the things that we CAN'T do without.
unnst 1 year ago
@unnst We should stop wars and programs that waste our money. I don't see how universal health care would be a good thing for us. America is only borrowing money and not producing like other countries. We should try to build factories and farmlands before we waste money on universal health care since we can't afford it.
Sawbucks23 1 year ago
... "The point is that why should we be forced to have health care?".....forced? that's how you see it. For the millions who don't have it, it's called help and security. So that one day, if they lose a leg or a finger, they wouldn't have to pay $80000 and work their entire life trying shell out for hospitals that charge $120 for a $1 toothbrush. Again, "force" is not the right word. And, just because you're doing okay, doesn't mean others are too.
unnst 1 year ago
did you know hospitals have charged $110 for a toothbrush and the insurance companies have just paid those amounts blindly until patients have actually complained.
unnst 1 year ago
Are people for universal healthcare fucking dumb? Name one program that the government has taken over that has been a financial success.
44warjunkie 1 year ago
How can you compare the car industri with healt care ? haha
The examples from europe are bullshit. Look at Denmark for en example, we are doing pretty well. And we are the happiest people in the world.
Riis30 1 year ago
are we happy? We are fucked from front to back with loans. America is running on loans dumbass.
unnst 1 year ago
@Riis30 must be nice to be all "happy" when you don't have to worry about national defense because the American tax payer has your back. How nice you give all your money to the government to ration out for you instead of yourself giving it out. Your obviously too dumb to handle your own money, let the government do it for you
jonerton15 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You know what "STONER"~~~~GET REAL~!! at least for few moments. Clinton left office with a budget SURPLUS.. (You DOLT!) Everytime the Republicans get in office: It's WARS ON FALSE PRETENSES and LIE to the people! Are you familiar with Iran-Contra? Google it, you stoned out moron. Clinton is smarter than four George W's. Clinton is smarter than two Geroge H.W. Bushes. Obama is as smart as Clinton...Clinton was color-blind. Obama has color. Obama IS a great president. You don't know it yet.
ghahandi 1 year ago
Where does this misinformed guy conclude people are getting something for free? When a non-corrupt government pays for healthcare of its citizens, healthcare is paid for through taxation. Countries with the highest taxation have better healthcare. Corruption & greed are the fundamental barriers to the basic human right of healthcare.
njneopatriot 1 year ago
These people somehow feel that their right to spend their time and effort on accruing wealth instead of helping out their fellow man. Sad state of affairs.
SocialDissimulation 1 year ago
They would rather spend trillions & billions to sacrifice the lives of the poor & middle class in war. He mentioned East Germany ... did he bother to make people aware the Soviet Union was the first to put a human & woman into outerspace.
njneopatriot 1 year ago
@njneopatriot With the help of kidnapped German scientists!
joe035 1 year ago
@njneopatriot who cares? they killed 20 million under Stalin alone!
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
400 mergers in the last decade and single HMO's doing 56% of the undrewriting and government not enforcing antitrust laws is in large part of the ever increasing costs. Not to mention state set criteria and individual abuse because of no personal accountability.
joe035 1 year ago
@njneopatriot we as humans have a right to health, not health insurance.
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
exactly, get rid of employer-dependent healthcare.
unnst 1 year ago
Amnesty International & the Red Cross report on human rights violations. Part of the investigations entail checking on the health & well being of individuals. One can argue America has an oligarchy type healthcare system. No one in America evades paying taxes (sales, income, property etc. etc. etc.). Debating healthcare is similar to debating human rights. The government is capable of bailing out Wallstreet ... certainly we can care for the health of our people.
njneopatriot 1 year ago
@njneopatriot Catastrophic insurance should be the greatest concern, I can pay for my own checkups, this alone would cut billions from the expense.
joe035 1 year ago
Employers pay for insurance directly, it's part of an employee's compensation. Over the years, American workers have been giving their raises to insurance providers instead of it going to themselves. Stossell is a moron claiming it's unsustainable. Other countries have sustained their more economically efficient systems. Big money would be lost by insurance, but gained by workers if the right policy is made. Don't believe a shill like Stossell, he's lying. You can talk to other countries & see.
oeyesea 1 year ago
republicans are simply thieves and liars , no matter what the compromise , no matter what the consession , no matter what the attempt is to sit down together and work for a bill , law , or plan that would fulfill a simple humanitarian need , of health care for the sick , they simply say no , no , no later , not now , while blue cross and others raise their rates higher , and higher , and less of us people can afford insurance everyday, this should be about all of us , but the wealthy prevail.
jwachauf 1 year ago
You are simply an economic illiterate that does not understand how government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem. And No one on the panel opposed to socialized medicine is a Republican, they are all Libertarians.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 hooray!!! some with not a pollyanna unrealistic view of things.I'm soooo tired of libs! gov't run healthcare will transform our nation into !!@^$#@$%
woodchucko 1 year ago
@jwachauf Look into all the HMO mergers over the last decade and you will realize government has not enforced any antitrust laws. Look deeper and you will discover state set criteria for what insurances must offer are also a HUGE cost factor. Stop spewing liberal rhetoric there as wealthy as any republican.
joe035 1 year ago
@oeyesea France 120% debt to GDP Japan 160% debt to GDP Canada 60% debt to GDP. Persons who survive cancer 5 years after diagnoses US 65% UK 15% Canada 43%. Persons who recieve treatment for diabetes 6 months after diagnosis US 93% UK 15% Canada 43%. Seniors who recieve hip replacement within 6 months US 90% UK 15% Canada 43%. I could go on educating you but am only allowed so long of a response. So do yourself a favor confirm my statistics and stop buying into liberal lies!!
joe035 1 year ago 16
@joe035 What a bunch of nonsense you spew joe.
TheUSMetalhead 1 year ago
@TheUSMetalhead Here are some of the sources you can confirm my information if the TRUTH matters to you? United Nations International Health Organization. See :Healthcare statistical data. National Center Policy Analysis. is another source. You will find some of the statistics vary due to time of year and variables such as preventative care, but over all the US leads in cancer survival, technology and most other areas. I am for reform but this Bill is pure shit.
joe035 1 year ago
So we lead in tech which I knew and only by a fraction with 6 other countries on our tail, and cancer survival rates which are much to unstable to truly formulate into a yearly percentage. OK. Lets talk cons. We lead the world in most expensive health care at 16% of our GDP, no country comes close. We're ranked #72/191 in overall health, #50 in life expectancy, #33/195 in infant mortality, we are the ONLY wealthy industrialized nation without universal care and over 20% have NO insurance. HMmmm
TheUSMetalhead 1 year ago
@TheUSMetalhead Nonsense is something you can disprove which you apparently cannot so the facts stand!
joe035 1 year ago
@joe035
Just read this:
Where did you get your facts? I found a report that states the opposite of your diabetes facts.
Insurance companies will allow people to go untreated until they are on medicare so the government picks up the tab when these issues become severe.
Also its funny you use the hip replacement as an example, Seniors are on Medicare a government ran program. Maybe the US government can do something right.
shootmedragon 1 year ago
@joe035
good job joe! thumbs up. keep fighting. these people who believe libs aren't educated and will fall for anything.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 We all have internet access, if we all looked the facts of the issue instead of the emotions there would be nothing to argue. I am for HC reform, but the bill they passed is a sick joke. The arguement from the libs that people are going bankrupt and being allowed to die is easily fixed. Not allowing preexisting conditions and mandating HMO's to compete for our business with catastrophic coverage as individuals no more group plans makes it affordable & you can buy up from there
joe035 1 year ago
@joe035
It's actually worse in England than Canada because in England the government actually runs the hospitals. Doctors and nurses are government workers. In Canada hospitals are private, but bills are paid entirely by the government.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@joe035 The debt to GDP is even worse than what you stated, according to the CIA World Factbook.
onixz100 1 year ago
@onixz100 I'm sure your right these idiots are attempting to pass a 1.1 Trillion dollar spending Bill, I guess the incumbants didn't get the message in November. I wish I had a money tree called the federal reserve printing me up cash. I really enjoy the liberal mindset if this doesn't work we will just try something else as if there were not consequences for the bad decisions.
joe035 1 year ago
@joe035 This is very interesting. LOL I know it's been 9 months but could you provide me with the sources for this data?
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus I am for healthcare reform, my point wasn't to advocate against it ONLY the HC Bill our degenerate politicians put into law. You can verify those stats through WHO & other sources. Statistics vary as different countries define their mortality rate & cause differently. HMO's have a monopoly in most major markets doing over 50% of the underwriting. We need more competition & law not denying preexisting conditions, NOTHING else!
joe035 1 year ago
@joe035 Yea only for ppl who can afford it honey.
Dtwaine 5 months ago
@Dtwaine I'm for healthcare reform, been paying ferrari prices for shitty coverage for years. The truth is neither Establishment Republicans or Democrats give a shit about you & me as if they did they wouldn't have bargained with HMO's & catered to Pharma. Single payer would have been better then the shit they passed, but then we would have another inept govt entity. Best solution no more govt or Corporate HC plans we all buy as Individuals & HMO's adhere to antitrust laws. Medicare 4 poor!!
joe035 5 months ago
@joe035 lol okay say what u like.
Dtwaine 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I don't want my hard earned money to be used for somebody else's health care. I want to be able to support my family however i choose. it is called freedom. This is how America is unfortunately becoming socialistic
Jaque1992 2 years ago
Comment removed
Jaque1992 2 years ago
The reason why the US pays more for health insurance than other 'developed' nations is because of our tax code; employer provided health insurance is not taxed, therefore people are NOT incentivized to shop around for cheaper prices, as a third party foots the bill. Thus costs keep going up, and there's no competition via lower costs. Also, we don't have the govt pay for our car insurance, or fire insurance, so why health care?
scattt 2 years ago 2
@scattt I love it when people say because we have mandatory car insurance that we should have mandatory health. What a stupid moronic analogy, It is your CAR that is insured in the case or injuring or killing someone else NOT YOU!!We do need reform but let's not be in a hurry and let each side say its piece.
woodchucko 1 year ago
@scattt your right and in 4 years when everybody can go for any little thing they will, so much for Obama's bullshit budget.
joe035 1 year ago
Lets see!? Some kid working at Mc Donald's taking care of his sick Grandfather fails to pay an insurance premium and ends up in jail? Duuuuhhh, sounds more like, chains for America to me....
buddo1999 2 years ago
Stossel loves to tell people that medicare is 35 trillion dollars in the hole, but the reason it is like is that the government dips into to pay for wars and programs without paying for them. This was done especially by Republican presidents Reagan, and the Bushes.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago
Private health insurance is based on a assymetry of information which forces parties to lie and exploit the other. Unfortunantly those most exploited are the sick, who are denied coverage using bad excuses to save cost. Federally funded and mandated scheme is best worst solution to problem. Instead idiocy rules the debate; when people cite Hitler, you lose the debate.
ckerton1 2 years ago
if you dont like healthinurance companies, DONT BUY HEALTH INSURANCE! i have health insurance, and never had a problem. had one knee surghery and two shoulder surgiries...my doctors were always paid in timely fashion. when my wife gave birth to our first born she required a c-section, cost $14,000. my insurance co paid it w/out any questions asked. this notion that insurance co's are screwing everyone is rediculous. they cover what they say they cover...just read your policy.
pcurley28 2 years ago
It is well known that universal healthcare systems are cheaper, as evident thoughout the world. The level of care is not significantly lower on any scale which would even come close to explaining the US spending nearly double the amount other systems do. The insurance market is plagued by problems of information assymetry which leads to ineffiencies and negative incentives. I'm not interested in your petty life, inacurate inferences and Republican factoids. My points stand.
ckerton1 2 years ago
so you are admitting that universal healthcare results to a lower level of care. thank you. this concludes our debate.
next.
pcurley28 2 years ago
Actually it depends what scale you use. The point was you don't increase costs by nearly 100% for a couple of percentage points increases in outcomes. Do you understand that point? Uiversal systems also have vary good outcomes and are able to cover nearly all, or all of a population. This is elementry school logic. There is reason no developed country has the US system.
ckerton1 2 years ago
Incorrect. On ANY scale the US has by far the best healthcare avail. There's a reason presidents/heads of state from all over the world come here when they get sick or require complicated surgery. You seem to be under the illusion that the US healthcare level is "slightly" better than those of countries that employ a universal health care system - this notion is false. We have the best care available because the system incentivizes great quality care and innovation. A Universal system does not.
pcurley28 2 years ago
@pcurley28 It really matters little if the US was better in every catergory though there is no evidence for this at all (less jingoism please), it doesn't in anway explain between 50 - 100% increase in costs. The US' ability to treat third world heads of state is again irrelevant. The rest of your comment again is just meaningless truisms from a daytime TV ad. Universal systems are cheaper, universal, and compete on every scale with a pure market system. They are also sources of innovation.
ckerton1 2 years ago
@pcurley28 Insurance companies could create premiums based on income and family size (I don't know if they do.). If they may get more customes and prices may go down.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago
This is one huge logical fallacy. First because its free, the presumption is the resrouces will be used up. I don't know why anyone would go to the doctor without being ill first; providing healthcare free should not increase the ill, actually free preventative care should decrease it. So then second presumption is healthcare is rationed due to this unfounded demand, however this already occurs but instead of using clinical grounds, rationing occurs via income. Illogical and unethical.
ckerton1 2 years ago
Completely logical and ethical. Your theory is severely flawed as evident by the models provided by Canada and England (any many other countries that employ a universal healthcare system). Being ill first has nothing to do with it. Bottom line is that you cannot, and will never be able to, show me one, JUST ONE, country that has implemented an economically sustainable universal healthcare system. I wont even mention the fact that in every case with out exception the quality of care plummets.
pcurley28 2 years ago
watch?v=iAzQUlet1o8
CarlosMerighe 2 years ago
stossel looks a little surly in this. maybe he had a few drinks before to loosen up.
coverchenko 2 years ago
You wrote, "US system is INFINITELY BETTER than Canada's. "
Every statistical data to this date compiled by every independent organizations gives the opposite conclusion. From health outcomes (quality) of the citizens of these 2 countries to number people served to amount of money spent simply puts your claims to rest.
WorldTravelDude 2 years ago
Fox and the rest of the pathetic 'news' outlets have nothing to lose by making headlines out of nothing. Glen Beck and the rest of the paranoid right-wing nuts lose nothing by scaring old folks and the loud minority who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. To quote my English grandmother. Fox et al make big advertising money by scaring people that's the bottom line. They are liars.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
Fox is the ONLY tv news channel that tells the truth about healthcare. ONLY Fox and John Stossel and George Will and Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs have any common sense about healthcare.
herbs814 2 years ago
It's simply unbelievable that every other industrialized nation in the world has universal healthcare except the U.S. We brag about being the greatest nation in the world yet we can't even provide proper care for the less fortunate. It's a discrace. Men like Stossel who are bought and payed for by corporations do nothing but promote misinformation and try to scare people. Private healthcare is bleeding this country dry. There must be regulations and government competition!!
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
The US is great because we are smart enough to reject a government takeover of healthcare. Private healthcare is the ONLY moral choice.
herbs814 2 years ago
It's not a government takeover. It's competition and reform. There is nothing moral about the private healthcare corporations. Private healthcare companies make the oil companies look like the salvation army. They make money by denying people coverage and procedures. Where's the morality in that? We need the government to step in to stop the healthcare cartel from continuing to bleed this country dry. Single payer is the answer! We should accept nothing less.
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
" A man in a Philadelphia emergency room died after waiting nearly 80 minutes for help - and a trio of homeless drug addicts nearby stole his watch instead of seeking aid, police said" News item. Nov. 30 2009. Does the US have more stories like this to look forward to? Yep. Thanks to all the ignorant naysayers against Universal HC. Pitiful.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
Only ignorant fools would condone something as disastrous and evil as "universal" "health care" schemes.
herbs814 2 years ago
Private healthcare is the ONLY moral system.
Single-payer is tyranny. Single-payer is completely evil and is intolerable.
herbs814 2 years ago
Herbs you obviously have no real opinion on this issue. To say single payer is evil is laughable. The fact that you think Fox news is actually news, and you think they tell the truth, explains your comments and why they lack any substance. You go ahead and support the billionaire health insurance companies. I'll continue to stand for the much more noble cause. That is the welfare of my fellow people of this great nation, who are suffering and dying at the hands of these bloodsucking companies.
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
Private property is an inalienable right. Single-payer demands that government STEAL from every healthcare company and every consumer their right to choice and competition in the marketplace. Therefore Single-payer is completely and irredeemably EVIL.
The more noble cause is PRIVATE healthcare and LIBERTY, not government tyranny.
herbs814 2 years ago
You just spew nonsense. Private healthcare companies are stealing from the government and the citizens. And yes I want a choice. A choice to have my medical provided by the government, not some bloodsucking corporation that would rather see me die so that their shareholders can make some extra cash. It's quite obvious you are terribly uninformed or misinformed or just plain stupid. The only other countries on this planet without universal healthcare are third world contries. Healthcare for all!!
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
What you say is complete nonsense. Private healthcare companies have EVERY RIGHT to operate. Government has NO RIGHT to be involved in healthcare AT ALL.
ONLY private healthcare is moral.
ONLY private healthcare serves all.
herbs814 2 years ago
You have no argument for any of this. Your statements are rediculous. Private insurance has the right to provide healthcare, yes. But the government should be involved and it has the right to. And your statement " Only private healthcare serves all" is complete crap. Private healthcare refuses to cover millions of people because pre existing conditions. Which also contradicts your statement that they are moral. I am done responding to you. You"re a fucking retard and have no logical input.
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
Again you are brainwashed by myths. Government denies MORE and refuses MORE care than private insurance ever does. Private insurance is always more fair and more moral than government.
And people with pre-existing conditions SHOULD pay more for their coverage. But the government tyrannically stops insurance companies from charging reasonable rates. Therefore the reason anyone is ever refused coverage for a pre-existing condition is 100% the fault of the government. Government is the problem.
herbs814 2 years ago
Deicidal Tendencies- everyone who wants universal or gov.run healthcare are like bugs flying around in the dark. That light looks so pretty from afar, almost mesmerizing. But once you realize that the light is a bug-zapper...its too late. There is no "choice" in the "government option". Once it is put in place, it will force private insurance out of business. This is the plan- make no mistake. This is about control of 1/6 of the economy and nothing more.
liberalssitdown2pee 2 years ago
Oh just like the post office put UPS and Fed Ex out of buisiness? Just like public libraries put Book stores and Amazon out of Buisiness? Just like public schools put private schools out of buisiness? WRONG!!
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
Are you seriously going to hang your case on the post office, public lib, and public schools? You are making my case for me. Everyone of these are great examples of waste, inefficiency and ineffectiveness. Not one of them would still be around if they were not subsidized by the federal government. My point was that private companies have to be efficient or they go out of business; government programs do not, if they run a deficit they just raise taxes to pay for it.
liberalssitdown2pee 2 years ago
Ooohh right. Like the banks. Companies that ran so inefficiently and are so corrupt that the tax payers had to bail them out. And now the banks that were too big to fail are now just bigger and more powerful. Guess that whole "if companies are inefficient they go out buisiness" comment is bull crap. And I didn't make any case for you. I destroyed your argument that if government gets involved it would take over. Hence the examples put forth. No government take over there. Then y healthcare?
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago
your arguments are almost juvenile ecidalTendencies. Post Office: BROKE! Public Libraries: BROKE! They shut down four in my city alone. Public Schools: REALLY, you use this as an example? I don't even need to comment on this one. You are shallow, too say the least. Wanna know why you pay so much for health care: government. Trillions of dollars are lost and stolen every year when government involves itself. Read a couple of books. You tell me...what does government do well????
denirio781 2 years ago
dumb ass. How in the hell would a shareholder make money if there were no consumers for the products that they invest in? Talk about "just plain stupid", you epitomize that statement. You talk about a "bloodsucking corporation"..then in the same breath you want to feed off of the government. At no cost to you of course. Is that not the definition of "bloodsucking". You are obviously the un-educated, misinformed one in this conversation. Inform yourself about the Constitution you idiot,then post!
denirio781 2 years ago
Wow aren't you a genius. First off what products do health insurance Co. produce? Nothing! They make money by denying coverage and treatments. So yes they are bloodsucking leaches. And if you think they actually make a product or provide any service, then it is you who is the dumb ass. And no I don' want to feed off the government. If you had any real uderstanding of what is being talked about you would realize people would be contrubuting through premiums and through taxes.
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago 2
Trillions of dollars are stolen by corporations. Just like Pfizer. Settled for 1.8 billion. SETTLED!! Because they were cheating the Govnt. And government does many things well. Medicare for one. People love there medicare. The VA is another. How about the military, you saying our military sucks? Not very patriotic are you. I read plenty and I am sure you don't. And what part of the constitution should I read. I like the part that says "to promote the general welfare" Maybe like healthcare.
DeicidalTendencies 2 years ago 2
hospitals dealing with medicare/medicaid steal from the "taxpayer" not the "federal gov't " ALL THE TIME! Hospitals AND doctors double bill the gov't for services rendered. They also charge for services never rendered. Taxpayers lose TRILLIONS every year just because of this practice. When the gov't catches them, they simply bill them. No penalties, no fines, no jail time. "you just pay us the over amount". That's what you get when the gov't runs things. inefficiency. it's not their money...
denirio781 2 years ago
please read the book "national suicide" by Martin Gross. He lays out from A-Z all the programs the government runs and the money spent on these programs. The eyeopening thing about this book is how much money is wasted, lost or just outright STOLEN from the U.S. taxpayer. $500 billion here, $1 trillion there, $800 billion more here...oops...we lost $600 billion. it adda up to trillion and trillion of dollars a year. If after reading this book, you still want gov't run health care...God help us!
denirio781 2 years ago
gov't does medicare well...this is laughable. denirio is right, you obviously have no glue as to how many TRILLIONS of dollars in UNFUNDED liabilities the "well" run gov't medicare program has. typical liberal - looks at only the intent and not the actual results, and forget about how its going to be paid for. i know you're slow so forget about everything ive written and remember just this one thing: the government cannot give away anything it has not TAKEN from someone else. nothing is free.
pcurley28 2 years ago
@pcurley28 The reason why medicare is in the hole is because the government dips into the medicare fund to finance programs and wars without generating it else where. I blame both political parties for this.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago
@luvs2teach00
I know social security is filled with IOUs from the federal gov (they took the money) but i dont know if they do that to medicare.
asierra1492 2 years ago
@luvs2teach00 That's what you call a "ponzi" scheme; it happened w/ social security. What do you think would happen if we let the gov't run health care? think on that.
woodchucko 1 year ago 10
Son..you seem to confuse the word "promote" with the word "provide" You have no clue as to what you are reading when you read the Constitution. You and your idiot liberal ilk. You seem to confuse the Preamble,"a mission statement" with the Articles of the Confederation- the part that gives our government power. Nowhere in the Articles does it even come close to giving the government power over our health. You must read further than the first couple lines of the Constitution..if you can make it
denirio781 2 years ago
Hey asshole...no one had health insurance prior to the 50's. If you got sick you paid cash to go to the doctor. This b.s. that we're "entitled to health insurance" is a crock of shit. "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that's all we're guaranteed. The Constitution says that the government cannot take any of those things away. The only thing our federal government is supposed to do is protect us from enemies "foreign and domestic". So no, I don't believe that you read much.
denirio781 2 years ago
You're wrong. The US is a prime example of what happends when u don't learn from your mistakes, that you're doomed to repeat them. Over and over. It's pathetic.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
what exactly was i wrong about? is it..if we grant entitlements to every citizen we go broke? is it..if we give entitlements to everyone we promote laziness and class warfare? what exactly are we doomed to repeat? Rome fell from within. people look to federal dollars as manna from God. they are not federal dollars, they are my dollars. The gov't doesn't produce anything and sell it. government money comes through federal theft of its people. Federal money is a shakedown and nothing more.
denirio781 2 years ago
Well you have some issues that even God would have a problem fixing. As for heathcare insurance reform, it is the single most difficult bill to enact with all the problems and circumstances in todays medical market. Your blanket statements of doom and gloom are rather pathetic since it will take the most comprehesive work of any politicians lifetime to enact a bill that could address all the problems with our medical system since it is hamstrung to monopolistic health insurance companies.
jay123jd 2 years ago
Government is the cause of all monopolies.
Government intrusion is the problem. Getting government out of healthcare is the solution.
herbs814 2 years ago
The Feds pay 70% of hip replacements. He did not address Krugman's points.
hoodoo961 2 years ago
Platitudes, not convincing. And the British have bad teeth,
hoodoo961 2 years ago
Hey, instead of us adopting a gov't plan why don't they put a bill out that makes congress and gov't employees require to get privatized insurance? I would love to hear the debate on that one in congress
roblox84 2 years ago
john stossel brings nothing to this debate. it would better if he never showed up
thesparitan 2 years ago
John Stossel is one of the most intelligent people on healthcare. Government will make every single issue of healthcare worse. It is morally IMPERATIVE to get greedy parasitic government out of healthcare and restore liberty to the people.
herbs814 2 years ago 2
greedy parasitic government. its actually the other way around. private industry has taken control of government and used it to protect corporations from market forces
example, pentagon.
the military has spent trillions on research and development only to give it away to corporations for free. there was study done by a MIT professor that showed that over the last 25 years automation has been designed by the military and used by private industry to lower skill needed for workers
thesparitan 2 years ago
Um..... you can have both just like public and private universities or like the post office and UPS or FedEx!!!! Both will serve a need....
But one thing is clear.... our health should not be for profit!!!!
augustmoon0004 2 years ago
Post office serves NO NEED. It ONLY has a place in the "market" because it forbids any private business to compete with it for items shipped for less than $3. There is NO NEED for the post office at all. And the post office must be subsidized by stealing from the productive private sector. The very existence of the Post Office is an injustice. In a just society, there would be NO government post office at all.
herbs814 2 years ago
post office is awesome.
Cheap and reliable.
Wish we could have govt health care that is cheap and reliable like the post office.
They do in the UK. I saws it and lived it.
It works. Anyone who disagrees hasn't been sick, and beenin the UK.
Govt is non profit, and serves the people.
Socialize meds for all.
silkysausage 2 years ago
Socialism is evil. Government is coercive and ABUSES the people. Private enterprise is voluntary and SERVES the people.
Private enterprise is moral. Government is immoral.
herbs814 2 years ago 2
Absolutely. In a free market society, you have to CONVINCE people to buy your product; a government, on the other hand, takes your earnings by force.
ColtBarrettUSA 2 years ago
Move to Africa herb there is no government only tribes. I would love to see how long you could last.
jay123jd 2 years ago
Which post office are you talking about? If you want to ship a package to a friend in a timely fashion, you're better off using UPS or FedEx, not US Mail. Once we socialize medicine, what happens next? Who's going to provide the life-saving drugs and innovations? The government? Nearly all crucial drugs taken to save lives were created by the private sector. In a few years time, you'll be complaining that drugs are too expensive and not good enough.
ColtBarrettUSA 2 years ago
Post office is awesome? Are you a government worker? Are you from the UK? If so why did you have to move from such a terrific place? If government was not corrupt you might have a point, but most of us know they cannot be trusted. By the way the post office is bankrupt also, want another failure to be controlled by them?.
davids2244 2 years ago 3
I'm originally from the UK and moved here to Nashville TN for the music scene.
I'd visited many times before moving here.
It's a terrific country to live in. Lots of space and values for money far exceeds that of the UK and Europe in general.
My only beef is the healthcare system. This is not good value for money.
Way too many people making way too much money for a system that wouldn't have half as much demand at these prices if they had a choice as to whether or not to get sick. cont......
silkysausage 2 years ago
If you can't afford an expensive car, then you don't buy one, if you can't afford a big house, then you get a small one.
Bad health can hit anyone regardless of lifestyle wether or not you want it.
It's not really a supply and demand business. The prices are raised by eveyone in the business significantly because doctors, hospitals, HMO's etc. know that if you have a life threatening illness, you 'll get treatment regardless of the price.
So they all put the price up....i.e. Care for Profit
silkysausage 2 years ago
If a rich man wants more money don't institute credit default swaps in the market place to hurt all americans while you steal their money
jay123jd 2 years ago
We also have a problem silky, of the rich figuring out ways to get over on the middle class and the whole world. And it hurts the markets around the world, not just ours. These bankers sold mortgages that were "C" at best as "A" prime goods that would be payed back. See how corporations really run our system. We are not "we the people" we are "we the corporations" And every republican and some backwoods Dems are bought off with jobs and money when they leave office.
jay123jd 2 years ago
If you are a filthy rich congressman we have a better chance he/she will vote the will of the people. The rest are hedging their bets and looking out for numero uno. McCain is filthy rich enough since he married Queen Coors and he sometimes is on the right side of history. But he started out poor in the republicon party and stayed their. So he is really on the fence. No one will ever know where he is coming from. Bush had some money but still raped our economy in favor of the wealthy.
jay123jd 2 years ago
Some of the posts on here sound like they work for the insurance companies. I bet Stossel has put in a call or two to Aetna or Cigna in Hartford where Lieberman is from. lol
jay123jd 2 years ago
The insurance companies support the government favoritism of Obamacare. Honest, capable people support private healthcare.
herbs814 2 years ago
"Care for profit" is INFINITELY BETTER than "care" by the government. Private competition is ALWAYS more trustworthy than government control.
herbs814 2 years ago
I agree herb just do not let insurance companies game us for 30% of the take. I got better odds in a casino because the government regulates their take. Imagine that. regulations something Bush and Cheney forgot to investigate while they were in office.
jay123jd 2 years ago
the 30% number is a total myth. Insurance companies profit margins are only 1% to 5% (average 2.2%) -- incredibly tight margins, tighter than most other industries. Wherever you got 30%, you have been lied to.
herbs814 2 years ago
1%-5% what kind of shit you smoking. You got a script for that shit or you just hiding it from the man.
jay123jd 2 years ago
you can't stand the truth. Insurance companies make very little profit despite enduring endless government persecution and intrusion. Government is entirely to blame for the problems of health insurance. If the parasitic government would get out of the way, insurance would be much improved by responsible adults.
herbs814 2 years ago
Please herb lay off the herb. Insurance companies have no part in healthcare period. Why should anyone pay them to decide if we are covered or not covered under a policy that we pay for. But they do it all the time. So to you a pre-existing condition would be pay me and loose your insurance anyways. You corporate insurance handmaidens are a joke. Like anyone would believe that insurance does not make a profit. LOLOLOL 1% profit would have them lining up in a circular firing squad.
jay123jd 2 years ago
Herb the insurance lobbying troll. May your premiums be slashed by laws of the people.
jay123jd 2 years ago
Why do braindead socialists always pretend that people who want liberty are connected to insurance? Your refusal to respect people who respect liberty spells your certain doom. 2010 will be a landslide defeat of the Demoncrats and their evil plans to takeover people's God-given right to private healthcare decisions.
herbs814 2 years ago
Help regulate herbs own insurance company so there can be a real competition and not the smoke he keeps blowing. Herb no one believes you and they know only money by your company thrown around DC is the only thing keeping the debate open. If this healthcare don't pass now it will pass sometime because you are a greedy corporatist with money as your only prize.
jay123jd 2 years ago
The decision of whether to be covered by insurance should be entirely private and government has no right to interfere at all.
And stop WHINING about a "pre-existing condition". People with a "pre-existing condition" SHOULD be charged more because they are higher risks. Insurance companies are absolutely right to charge more for higher-risk patients.
herbs814