As an infant i spent much time in hospital, at the age of two i spent 6months in an isolation ward after scratching all my skin of when i contracted chicken pox on top of the eczema. i suspect my mother may have had mental illness as she kept feeding the things i had proven allergies to such as cows milk. the severity of it would leave my dangerously dehydrated and open to infection and sepses. I do see how this could be fatal to a small baby
Whoa! I thought this was some kind of joke at first when I started playing the video. I have eczema myself, which I consider a nuisance at worst, but I never imagined it actually being life-threatening. No doubt the parents thought that too, but they really should've went with proven science, would've reduced the baby's suffering immensely, and she would still be alive.
Eczema??!! O-kay, I've heard of parents allowing their children to die of some trivial, easily treatable illnesses, but that's the worst. I have to agree that type of mindset is indistinguishable from mental illness. Thanks for the links, & I'd like to encourage you to continue your efforts against misinformation & ignorance.
@Gingertoontown10 i know that your grandma doesn't have any need for homeopathy i'm testing if bandershot is remotely viewing this video and cares about any comment
Homeopathy medicine is a huge sham. My X would only use homeopathy for a bunch of issues she had (AND never got better), I had to leave her after 8 years since her life only revolved around her pains and illness, while she still refused to take medication. Suzanne Sommers was diagnose with breast cancer and made a big deal about how she was going to beat it with homeopathy, yet she never ever talk about it again. All a sham.
People often ask me, "What's the harm?" when I rant about alternative medicine. After you watch this sad 4 minute video, you'll understand why I get wound up when people get suckered into homeopathy and other quackery.
@SisterSunnshine You can die from a lot of things when you don't take medicine and ignore the advice of legitimate medical doctors. Hell, you can die from syphilis, or a cold that progresses to pneumonia if you don't take medicine.
Left me deeply saddened, and angry at the stupidity of the parents. A preventable tragedy. Preventable by the application of reason. I wish I came across your channel earlier (recommended by SisyphusRedeemed) . Your postings are clear, concise and true, and always interesting. Thank you!
It's trully shocking to find out that someone can die from eczema! As a small child I had it, my sister had it, and now my niece has it, and how did we cure this killer disease? Well, buy a tube of salve and rub it on, death avoided!
A little girl died of an easily treatable disease, because her father believed in some bullshit pseudoscience.
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Don't let anyone tell you superstition is harmless. The homeopathy fans posting here aren't just jerks with stupid beliefs, they're part of the reason people die needlessly and painfully.
C0nc0rdance has been AWOL for three days since real science was laid at his stumps showing the scientific basis for the very thing he said there was none for: HOMEOPATHY! Where are his smarmy lies now that he's augured in, how much more abuse of the kind he's poured on us do we now have to pour on him before he comes boiling out of his stinkhole, screaming skeptobabble? No wonder he doesn't give us his REAL name!
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Notice that since my posting of the link to the Demangeat study here, that like so many other studies demonstrates the phsyical and organic action and chemical analysis of the homeopathic remedy, the producer of this video has remained silent, unable to answer. Of course! He is now faced with the possibility that he has become the very thing he's been accusing me and my colleagues of. PSEUDOSCIENTIST, FRAUD. The big difference is we put our REAL names on our assertions,
Why not call yourself "Jack Hammer" of Liveleak? The reason I don't respond is that I'm not convinced you are not a Poe, someone who promotes outrageous opinions on the Internet for their shock value. I can find videos of you playing Mark Twain, or an outrageous ultra-whatever shock jock. How do I know you aren't just playing the part of a rabid homeopathic proponent?
The article you cited is terribly uninteresting, and commissioned by the "Pfizer of homeopathy", Boiron.
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@C0nc0rdance Poe? Your DESPERATE to change the subject, & try to discredit more science smashing placebo, this time 4 sponsorship by a mfg. If it was relevant, you'd be SPEECHLESS, because every study supporting the use of a PATENT pharmaceutical on HUMANS is sponsored by a drug company, & THIS IS THE medicine YOU want to send people 2jail4 NOT taking! Demangeat's not the only NMR. If you weren't so scared of being proven wrong, you'd talk to the real investigators about it., like Roy.
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@C0nc0rdance Look who's being "Poe." If you were really interested in the truth, you'd actually confront people in your real character about it, rather than hiding behind a phony pseudonym on Yt doing nothing more than repeating lies spread by a hi skool dropout who became a "debunker" after failing as a magician. Read the studies. Admit your errors. Don't make it worse by digging your claws in. The action comes from the supramolecular structure of the solution, not its composition.
I will gladly discuss any point of fact, but don't expect to manipulate me with your rhetoric. It's childish.
I would be quite interested to hear your response to my four questions. In the mean time, perhaps you could answer what the difference is between supermolecular structure of a solution and it's composition. Water is composed of molecules. It has motion driven by solvent diffusion and Brownian motion in liquid phase.
Here's something else to keep you up at night. Shouting placebo causes c carelessness, & serious consequences: Notdeath by negligence, but by HOMEOPATHY! Animals & organisms were killed by repeat dosing of hpathics, which is what probably happened here, a severe aggravation complicated by palliation from allopathic drugs. According to Kent, an MD who admin'd hpathics to 1000's, overdosing GRAFTS the symptoms of illness to the patient for LIFE! They contain CLATHRATES you idiot! Google it!
My question to you is, what would've happened, do you think, if the child received what YOU believe to be proper medical treatment, without receiving homeopathic & died? You can't deny it happens everyday, where your "proper" treatment not only fails to keep someone alive, but is actually the cause of death, re PFIZER rec'ing $1000000 fine for bribing docs to push UNTESTED drugs that killed. Where's your presumptions about that? That wasn't just negiligence, that was outright MURDER.
I made a video on Pfizer's actions, in fact. The thing is that homeopathy isn't evidence based medicine. There is no science behind it. Your muddled understanding of what clathrates are is good for laughs, but it's just technobabble. You have no idea what you are talking about. Little Gloria deserved to receive the therapy that 99.93% effective.
I haven't convinced myself you aren't a Poe. I've seen your other character, and you're a good actor.
@C0nc0rdance No science or evidence? Google this- "NMR water proton relaxation in unheated and heated ultrahigh aqueous dilutions of histamine: Evidence for an air-dependent supramolecular organization of water" Demangeat, J of Molecular Liquids. I could flood you with cites like this.So are you arrogant or just lazy? The dif between you & me is that despite the great amount of the literature I have at my fingertips, I know there's more I haven't seen. And I respect the work of others.
It was an interesting one, when redone with proper controls they were unable to distinguish any difference with the control samples.
On closer examination it was found out that in the original experiment several of the technicians had discarded samples which gave the 'wrong' result thus skewing the data.
That people are still trying to cite it demonstrates quite well the dishonesty of homeopaths I think.
@ytmoog How do we know what you say is true? Anyone can say anything here w/o attribution. Where are the references to verify what you say? So who's the liar here? The same high standards you demand of the statments we make, are a wrecking ball to yours. Cite your assertions! Give us the name of the accusers. Let us ask them if what you say is true. And this is only one study. What about Roy, Jonas, Conte, Smith&Boericke, Tiller, Bell, Baumgartner, Montagnier etc? Will you malign them ?
@ytmoog Thank you for admitting it. It's unheard of from a homeopathy hater.
Here's what blows the Horizon test out off the water:
"Inhibition of basophil activation by histamine: a sensitive and reproducible model for the study of the biological activity of high dilutions." Sainte-Laudy J, Belon P. This is one of a long chain of these tests. Horizon used shills. Think what will happen to the patent medical industry if this information spreads like a Louisiana oil slick on media beaches.
@ytmoog How do you know what proper controls were and if they were performed correctly? Consider the source. Randi has bet his reputation on the outcome of any test he is in control of. Reports are that he handled the key, while doing sleight of hand tricks for JB's staff, so it's just as easy to surmise that Randi switched it w/his own as it is to believe Benveniste failed.
The basophil degranulation &n other tests have been succesfully replicated. See the WItt review for a complete listing.
this is so sad, to imagine that little girl crying in absolute agony makes me want to cry, cry out of sadness, cry out of pure ANGER! As a parent I would want to do anything and everything in my power to protect my children, even if it meant admitting something I believed in wasn't true.
wow that is some seriously fucked up shit dude I cant believe people will let their child die just so they dont have to admit there faith in a medicine was wrong and because of the childs age she had no say in her treatment I really hope people like that do not have children that need medical treatment if they do child services should get involved. amazing video dude
Can you be a little more specific about your unsourced anecdote? I hear that they flush alligators down the sewer and they grow to the size of school buses, too.
All B2B companies entertain clients. Pharma is no different. I'm not alleging they are paragons of virtue, but Big Oil is sleazy, too. Gasoline is still very effective at moving cars around. Disparaging the company does not invalidate the efficacy of their product.
*laugh* Turn the guns on the critics, eh? Dead agent tactics a la Scientology.
You are referring to publication bias. Something I deal with in the very next video. It is pernicious and dangerous, but it does not validate alternative therapy, it merely calls into question the efficacy of some drugs, and holes in the process.
Can you find the negative bias rate for alt med trials? I'll wait here for your answer.
You are sadly ignorant of how science journals work.
The people who determine what articles are accepted to journals have no interest in the advertising revenues. The review board are academic scientists from competing labs, not employees of the journal. They are expected to act in this capacity as part of their role as scientists.
Professors at medical schools are self-supporting from research grants, or endowed by donors, usually patients. FDA officials are rarely scientists.
The "natural world fallacy" imagines a hypothetical ideal in the distant past. It is most obviously countered by the decline in deaths from all childhood, acute, and infectious causes of disease, a concomitant increase in lifespan, and a disparity of health between first world and third world populations.
It is only in the last 150 years, among the very richest people, that the desire existed to return to the muddy, disease-infested poverty of the past.
The problem is this: there's no evidence that homeopathy is anything other than placebo. Repeated tests demonstrate this. The process of science has been applied to homeopathy, and found it to be nothing but placebo. I can go through all your posts and substitute for "homeopathy" the phrase "non-treatment". They are the same thing.
Except, of course, that homeopathy costs a lot more to the patient. Why do we need 18th century pseudoscience woo for our placebo?
@Homeosaurus For the sake of argument let's assume that in 5 years the current leading companies producing Homeopathic products would become global players and "big" - they are for sure profit-oriented already. Do you honestly think that these would then act differently as pharma companies do now (regardless of your conspiracy assertion is correct)? Do those companies have any better market "ethics"? I'd rather postulate the opposite of them being the worst of all by exploiting customers.
@Homeosaurus So after surgery you'd reject antibiotics and prefer Homeopathy to prevent infection to the scared tissue etc.? Do you label all medicine as equally toxic? What about the products that go into Homeopathic solutions which are normally toxic and/or shouldn't be digested normally? If they are so powerfull after being diluted, why shouldn't those be viewed as toxic just the same way?
@Homeosaurus What's the point in quoting my question when you're not even answering in the correct timely context (I explicitely asked about the time before "big global pharma companies)? Have you never asked yourself critically what the reasons could be for what I asked before?
This is utter hogwash. The primary granting institution is the NIH Extramural, a division of the HHS, a federal agency. The extramural grants committees are composed of mostly scientists, no pharma, some clinicians. The grants are given ratings on their merit, importance, scope and technical design.
Pharma does their own thing, but they don't publish most of their basic research.
@Homeosaurus I always hear the argument of profit-mad pharma companies suppressing potential "good" proof for H., which I'd partly like to disagree with. There's been over 100 odd years time to have deliver proof and create a commonly accepted, undisputable track record across scientist. What happened all those decades? Also all this time I doubt those companies would have been so globally capable to achieve your asserted conspiracy. Please explain how that'd work 60 or 80 years ago.
@Homeosaurus The emphasis of my comparison should have been that I as a patient accept certain risks taking a certain treatment, as good as possible waging the benefits of it against known disadvantages. If I'd know that a certain treatment is working in 90% of treatments, I do not conclude that I should disregard the treatment completely because of the 10% remaining risk. Your arguments sound to me that exactly those 10% would provide proof, that Homeopathy is therefore automatically working.
@Homeosaurus To "scrutinize and review" medical malpractices is surely a valid point. But how can you logically conclude from it, that Homeopathy either is a replacement for actual medicine or reason to completely throw medicine overboard (leaving aside it's unproven)? The "should not be taking 1 life" is common sense.
Please consider that thousands of people die in car crashes every year, but still everybody weighs the benefits of transportation much higher than the potential risks in using it.
This is the Nirvana Fallacy. "We shouldn't allow people to go skiing, because even one death is too many." You've added a funny twist: "we shouldn't allow people to receive effective medical care, because if even one of them dies, it's one death too many."
There were 642,000 auto collisions in the US in 2005. Do you see why it would be fallacious to use this statistic to illustrate how dangerous automobiles are?
It's about cost/benefit, not drawbacks. Try again.
The base rate statistic fallacy: There are many more MDs than homeopaths, seeing many more patients. Comparisons must account for the per-case fatality rate. They must also be adjusted for the demonstrated benefit of modern medicine vs. the demonstrated benefit of homeopathy.
How many people lost their sense of smell to Zicam? How many children are unvaccinated thanks to homeopaths? How did Samuel Hahnemann die? Homeopathy comes with risks. Does it also have benefits?
Oh my! This is the fallacy of the false dichotomy, the false comparison, ignorance of base statistics, ignorance of underlying cause, and ever the popular conspiracy and paranoia approach. Wow! That's a lot of fallacies in two posts. A new record!
The consequence of evidence based medicine does not have any bearing on the efficacy of homeopathy. It's a false dichotomy to say we have to choose between homeopathy and iatrogenic mortality.
Hello Dumb GAY. Did your Dadd give birth to you in a test tube on a rented womans womb. what do they call it. Oh yes. I know it. Surrogate Mother. So whose egg did your dadd borrow. Must some slutts from the Kings cross in Sydney as seen in the underbelly. Want to file a law suit against me. bring it on.
there is a case still going in the Australian court to prove this. So U need to remove this linking it to thomas sam. Your idiotic views are not supportive to prove who is guility. Why dont you go an drink some synthetic caffeine drinks that will also make u a GAY and then u can write a note saying that Men are supposed to be GAY. ha ha ha ha. this guy is an dumb GAY. he he he
The Cause of Death of Gloria is shocking. But who Did it. I know it. Her parents know it. Even the prosecution know. then why did they collide to hide the truth. To save the asses in NSW health.
Dont trust this video above. Its a Propoganda by this Asshole to Frame Thomas Sam. In fact Gloria Did not Die of Eczema. The truth will come out Soon. Thomas and Manju were framed so as to Save some Asses in the Hospital where she was treated and Killed. Hey asshole I am coming after you. I will be sending u to Jail now. Did U get Paid to make this . Why dont u leave your contact number also. I will get U one day.
@sdbcadmin I agree with you. Even I know the truth. I have seen that document. In fact I have a copy of that document u are referring to. i think it is due for big press release soon.
@ServantofErra You are not eligible to see it. bcos u have commented on this Case as Like Judging the Book by its Cover. Like those Dumb Americans who said Iraq Has weapons of Mass destruction.
@sleefton Being as wise as you are I expect you are aware that the program formed to look for WMDs in Iraq (ISG) was composed of large contingents of Americans, British, and (you guessed it) Australians! Do you always sound so uninformed and stupid?
@Stromatolite577 I am not an Australian. I am an Aborginee. A National. Not the white Convicts who were send here from Europe. We are proud of our race and Culture. One day we will throw these Whites out as it has happened in Zimbabwe. Whits in Australia are all idiots. No Brain. Full of shit. Which white Race are u from??
@sleefton It sounds like you are an idiot and either mentally challenged or child, certainly not a rational honest man. You are pretty obvious at this point. Look at your own channel numbnuts.
@sleefton Ok your webpage says you are in Singapore. Living in someone else's country are you? Stupid troll; having been called on your BS, you actually attempt to raise racial controversy. You really are all about dishonesty aren't you?
@sleefton An internet badass AKA internet tough guy, is one who makes threats over the internet and expects people to take him seriously, in other words, the only internet badass here is you.
My first doctor couldn't say i have this so i was in an excruciating pain and itching for few weeks b4 we could get second opinion (couldn't even move from the wounds on the skin, sleep), then i got admitted to a hospital and they couldn't believe how fine i recovered in 2 weeks. Now i just use a creme when i feel it itches but have no visible trace of the condition. almost forgot it i had it
@sleefton I know I looked and felt like in the intro of this video for quite some time, so no, for this easily preventable disease, this is not a propaganda.
Well, the intro is anecdotal and a blatant appeal to emotion. But, unfortunately, this is the only tactic that can get through the thick skulls of homeopathy quacks. They're not interested in 'boring' studies or scientific lectures. If it takes heart-wrenching anecdotes to wake them up out of their pathetic delusion, then so be it. Great video -- both parts.
@dookdawg214 This guys says that Eczema can be treated with Conventional medicine Cream which is mainly steriods. The side effect of this is the Asthma when the Child Grows up. The False statement here is Thomas treated his Child with Homeopathy. In fact he did not treat her with Homeopathy and its only an allegation. No Evidences of treatment were there even in court. Only evidence was she was treated with conventional medicine.
@dookdawg214 Respond to this video...This Child died due to treatment by conventional medicine. Evidence to this effect is there in the court document. What happened in this case the prosecution turned around and said that he treated her with Homepathy. The prosecution knew of that document. and it was by collusion with the Govt appointed defence that evidence was withheld so that the Govt appointed defence would get a promotion from her current job as a QC.
@dookdawg214 Respond to this video...The only thing Thomas did was to Trust the Commonwealth Justive system in Australia. I think if there was there an indegenious court . Thomas would have been free now. Thomas is Innoncent. in all aspects. We know it. Wait for the truth to come out.
The cause needs to be addressed: INFLAMMATION. Nearly all dis-ease is caused by substances, either ingested or otherwise exposed to, that cause inflammation in the body. All drugs do is cover up the symptoms. The causes of inflammation are what needs to be discovered, and then illiminated. Masking the symptoms with pharmaceuticals often becomes a lifelong dependence upon "drugs", and people then never truly take responsibility for their real health, and eliminate the sources of inflammation.
@wildmtnwoman What a very stupid thing to say! Have you ever heard of the "Germ Theory of Disease"? Over a hundred years old you know. What substances exactly cause influenza, Listeriosis, Chlamydia, gangrene, Pertusis, Diptheria, Cholera, Bubonic Plague.......etc, etc. "Life long dependence upon drugs" Good god you need an education!
and i thibk everyone can agree that the population never is 100% anything. there is not one thing out there that will effect every single person the same way..no treatments..drugs ..nothing anywhere ever. we do not all have the same genes or diseases or viruses and we do not all react to our enviroment or medication the same way...
to have a solidcase you need a control and a variable..this can not ever be proven in this case because the child is no longer with us..you can not undo and redo to test which one is sucessful treatment if any or none...impossible
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Don't forget to mention that the British Medical Association recently admitted that its members kill at least 12,000 people every year by giving them the correct medical treatment. That's the figure they admit to. Undisputed. It is also acknowledged that the real figure is closer to 20,000. That's the UK. It's thought to be about 200,000 every year in the USA - killed by the CORRECT medical treatment.
1. Our choice is not between "dangerous" real medicine and "safe" homeopathy. It is between a treatment that has been demonstrated to be effective, and one that has not.
2. The harm that medicine does is greatly offset by the good that it does. Homeopathy has not demonstrated any benefit over placebo. It has not extended life, or removed suffering, other than through placebo. It displaces real treatment in cases like Gloria's.
You might get more understanding, if you were to use BoneySkylords own style of phrase. Such as statistics of how many people use Airplanes to travel and how many die each year and what percentage are they, yet we all still use airplanes to travel.
I suspect that what has not been said by BoneySkylord is that in the same BMA report are the figures of the amount of people who took the correct medication that was prescribed, but took it incorrectly and died as a result. The sort of people that feel ill and so take antibiotics, start to feel better and don't take the rest of the course as instructed. Or think that if 1 pill is good then 2 must be better.
Bullcrap, and typical response from anyone associated with "modern medicine, (the power and money-hungry just won't give up, even though these toxic treatments are maiming and killing people by the millions worldwide.
@wildmtnwoman Bullshit! yours is a typical response from anyone lacking a credible education and who is totally devoid of any critical thinking skills. You are alive you ungrateful fool most likely because of the advances medicine. You are so afraid of anyone with money or as you say "power" you are willing to sound just about as stupid as a person can sound and still be alive.
in my early twenties i was afflicted by chronic excema. It was hard to treat at first because i had developed unexpected allergies and so at first had no idea how to combat the inflammation. at one point i thought i would die, i wanted to die because i had hardly slept in almost a month. I will never forget the burning pain which engulfed 70% of my body in those weeks. the horrific death of this child is something i can all too easily imagine. shame on all peddlers of pseudoscience. sad story.
Love it, keep up the good work. The sad thing is all the "alternative" promoters would have to do in order to get their methods recognized is perform a few properly structured and documented experiments, yet they can't seem to manage it.
@FairCogent once again..cuz not everyone responds to treatments the same..and what may work for one person may not work for anyone else..that is why sometimes mothers use intuition? sometimes they tell doctors what is wrong when the doctor doesn't know...
@mailderrick The effectiveness of a treatment is assessed in properly controlled and structured trials. I'll accept the power of "intuition" as soon as someone manages to show via properly controlled trials that it's actually useful in determining anything. Until then, it's exactly as useful as any other anecdote (read: it isn't).
Many babies and children are killed or harmed irreparably from VACCINES! Why aren't you talking about how the government and pharmaceutical companies and doctors that push vaccines should be incarcerated for all the harm they do? You're wrong about homeopathics...they do work, and this obviously was a very sad case, but not due to parental neglect.
@wildmtnwoman Just so you know nitwit, the Government, ALL the pharmaceutical companies and Vaccine makers, AND their dogs will be showing up on your doorstep soon. Are you really that paranoid that you would spew your crap regardless of the harm it represents? You are truely a very sad case!
How did I cure my baby's excema? Elimination diets, breastfeeding, cloth dryer sheets and laundry nuts from Chartruesse Product, and very very gentle and natural lotion and wash from California Baby. Stupid doctors and allergists were no help, the medical industry has lost my faith. I do not agree with the ending of this video and the mandating of care for children. My children are MY children. Had I listened to the quacks that saw my baby, he would still be a mess today.
A load of crock, convicting the parents of manslaughter? Considering that doctors are the number one cause of death in America, and mistreat, misdiagnose, and shove every random chemical drug they can make a profit on, into the bodies of every person who walks in their door, why don't we convict them of manslaughter too? When a doc shoves a needle full of poison into a newborn and causes them to go autistic or develop brain problems or cripple them, we don't convict them of malpractice. BS
And what people fail to realize about homeopathy is that it is the foundation of modern day medicine. How do you think the big pharm companies 'discover' cures to things??? Our forefathers experimented, and they test on people today.
Well, I think those parents brought the worst punishment onto themselves, but still they had to face court and they were sentenced rightly. Now, as a parent I can totally understand that you'd try almost everything to make your child better. I might even try homeopathy even though I consider it bs, but only if nothing else works. So, if your weapon of choice failed, not to use the other one is criminal.
Sorry, but if you put your belief in quackery above the life of a child, you're a criminal.
@giliellthesecond it is not always that simple or that vblack and white even though in this case it appears as so...but perhaps you are seeing this through your own perception of the world and just maybe perhaps not everyone lived your experiences and is as enlightened as you?
Belive me, when it comes to my children, enlightenment often has to fight for a seat in the front row. I can totally understand that you want to keep stuff that admittedly has severe side effects from your kid, or any treatment that causes discomfort. Every time I take my kids for a vaccination I have to make a constant decission not to grab them and run. The3 hardest thig I ever had to do was to hold my daughter by force to for drip feeding while she was begging us not to hurt her
@mailderrick That's why I put that off until I couldn't do it without risking serious damage and complications. I'm all for trying soft things first. And I'm all for getting a second opinion before doing things the hard way. But those parents failed. It's not that they didn't have the possibilities. It's not that they weren't informed about other treatments. They knew there were, they saw that their little girl was in agony and they decided NOT to do all they could to save her.
@giliellthesecond it would appear that way..just glad i do not have to make that judgement. As far as vaccines.i would reccomend a lil more research.Maybe even view a very good documentary called "the hidden truths of vaccines" check out sites like VAARS and just think..why is there mercury in ,formadehyde?etc?
@giliellthesecond just as the FDA said for years it is perfectly safe to put mercury in your mouth in a filling,but the waste can not be put down drain because it could leak to water sources eventually and cause mercury poisining.But it is ok to have mult. fillings in your mouth with levels far exceeding toxicity directly everyday.Well, it was safe til the law suit..now it is moderately safe with warnings
@mailderrick Oh no, please not the good old "vaccines are bad" story *sigh* Been there, debated that, found less science and reason in anti-vaccination claims than mercury in my mouth (doing a little research on what and when mercury is poisonous would not harm), decided to stop it. Come back if you have any new information/claims beside the good old mercury/autism/not working stuff. And yes, science can err. Wrong medication can do harm.
@giliellthesecond actually there is much data out there..most of it is passed over or ignored cuz it doesn't jive with medical standards or bring in money.i also think much more studying needs done and dead people dont talk. i believe that poisoning may be far greater than we realize ;perhaps that is why i am half retaded
@mailderrick Surely, not doing anything (and giving pure water/sugar isn't a remedy for anything except dehydration any hypoglycaemia) has never actively harmed anybody while giving medication can actually kill somebody. But it also has never helped or cured anybody.
@giliellthesecond well then it cures 2 things so modern western medicine and bogus treatments have an equal score..there are other various treatments out there also..these are not the only 2
maybe one day i will go to jail..cuz i believe in natural cures more than a dr. so if the doctor "causes death" or can not stop it...(which is not the same as causing it) then he is ok..but if i "cause" it...even though i love my child and want the best..theni go to jail?
Do dr's equally have to go to jail if their treatments do not work? We can't judge intentions,i realize this but to mandate this is as gross as the losses of anyone for any reason
Do dr's equally have to go to jail if their treatments do not work? We can't judge intentions,i realize this but to mandate this is as gross as the losses of anyone for any reason
1 of the worst videos i ever saw.not only cuz we lost a child, but also the gross direction that this country is going in taking away parental rights & mandating gov. run healthcare.I guess we're to believe that Dr.'s have all the answers & can cure anything, but,i ask:name 1 drug (outside of an antibiotic) that ever cured anything ever! & then horrible side effects.I don't think that if the worst case scenario happens that the parent should have to go to jail..
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@C0nc0rdance Not one of these medications Cures, their bandaids- what is the root cause- everything you mentioned here is the end result of an undetected root cause, and there goes the medication merry-go round- Their all toxic in some way shape or form, but they DO NOT CURE!
No, I can assure you that an antiviral is quite effective against a viral infection. It removes the underlying cause as well.
Life has a 100% mortality rate. We measure the effectiveness of drugs by how they improve quality and quantity of life. I can assure you that every one of those drugs has demonstrably shown to improve life for patients, regardless of placebo effect.
Homeopathy has never been shown to be more effective than placebo by that measure.
@C0nc0rdance i wish i were also:which one of those is a cure? bronchodilators have been known to worsen conditions over time,in fact; there was just a law suit over that.beta blockers never got rid of any conditions of dis.another big law suit a few years ago over the deaths from certain comp's that we won't name. all the way down to aspirin? lol..what disease does that cure? alcoholism? perhaps you believe in that disease,i have yet to catch it..and i knew a lot of alcoholics
@C0nc0rdance glad ya can repeat what ya r told.R ya a dr or gov. off. that tells dr's what to believe?
asp. may red.cause of stroke cuz it thins blood,which incr.risk of aneurysm.I think as rational as i can using all data & know.i have not just to believe what i am told to
@C0nc0rdance for ex: i do not know what percentage..i guess that is left up to someone who can gather together the numbers..and then again how will we know the real numbers ever? esp. when everyone with basic asthma is using an inhaler
@C0nc0rdance You forgot phosphodiesterase inhibitors. I'm sure that there are more than a handful of Viagra users' wives who will testify to their cures! ;-)
Yes, parents should have the RIGHT to kill their children, just as 'god' has the RIGHT to take out all who 'reject' him. Surely, there's no connection between these two positions?
@derek24hudson ok..so when a doctor treats with modern medicine and drags on the conditions of illness.(treating symptoms not causes) and the child sufferes longer or worsens from adverse side effects...the doctor is not responsible..when the doctor gives up and the family calls a priest,rabbi,brother etc. for a blessing ..the doctor again is off the hook.but the parents are hung who love their children and try to do their best?
If you are suggesting that parents should have the right to be this grossly negligent, resulting in the needless suffering and death of an infant, the washing of your brain is complete.
I had 2 visits with doctors this week, and the hospital and specialist I saw were still 100% private, and plan to remain so. So where's the big gov't takeover (and all those pinko commies!) we're supposed to be so afraid of?
@madjik9 good thing that is not what i was saying then huh? nor am i a tebagger...has nothing to do with party..jus ttoo many laws these days..are you a lawyer? and too many good people ending up in crowded over run systems..that you pay for..i was not even talking about healthcare itself.. i think anyhelp the government wants to give in that area is great..so long as it is not forced and they don't send people to jail for not going.
@madjik9 ohh, and parents that would deliberately hurt or abuse their child is disgusting..i am not talking about that..i am talking about the definition of abuse being interpreted by law and twisted into who knows what..soon they will tell us it is abuse to wake our kids too early. parents should have certain basic rights on how they raise their children..they should not hurt or give them diseases intentionally..intention...INTENTION will always be the keyword..how can one prove intention?
McCarthyism is alive and well it seems. The falling of the sky is always just around the corner, right? It seems that fear clouds you.
It also seems that the parents in this vid intentionally deprived their child of known, effective treatments. Had they not done so, it is highly likely that this child would now be alive and well. Let's see how well the prosecutors make the case regarding the poor intentions of these clowns.
@madjik9 fear? i hope you are not full of that..no cure there either.i will be strong and stand up for our rights though..not for the right to mistreat or abuse but the right to guide and raise in a loving way.Deaths happen to kids unfortunatly in our hands,in Dr's hands...even with the best medical care you will also one day die..whose fault will that be?
Question is, where do your rights as a parent end? Do you have a right to deprive your child of a known, effective treatment when the likely outcome is a high degree of suffering, even death?
I say no.
You seem to have a grudge against medicine and its imperfections. Since it makes mistakes, should we discard it entirely?
@madjik9 great questions..no parent should be allowed to deprive as much as medical community should not be allowed to impose jail due to not folling recomendations.If i disagree witha vaccine i hope i have the right and they can not force it God forbid something foes wrong should i do jailtime? i would agree if they agree to go if i follow and something goes wrong..which means eventually no dr's cuz despite all medical advancements we all will die.
"should not be allowed to impose jail due to not folling recomendations"
As long as it only affects you. If you are of adult age and you wish to refuse, fine. But when you impose a death sentence on someone to young to do anything about it, society needs to know that that kind of stupidity is not tolerated.
If not the morons would come out in droves forcing their quackery on the young who then start dying in large numbers.
@madjik9 should people be alowed to abuse..no..what is abuse..well that is perceptive based(but when i say no..i think we know what i mean and i am not talking about refusing treatment due to beliefs or any other reason)
@madjik9 you are right again. if the child died..no one would care that the doctor could do nothing..yet he will not go to jail for trying..if a parent decides to go their way and their treament is as effective as the doctors..they will! yet doctors still haven't cured anything yet still so much blind respect
@madjik9 where is this hospital? i would go to one that yielded 1 sucess and 99 failures..probem is ..they dont exist...maybe in fairyland with unicorns...when it comes to true diseases..there are NO CURES!!!
Wow you are thick, you only see what u want to. When I was young, I would often get strep throat, and they would cure it 100% every time. Eventually, they took my tonsils out and I never got strep again. There were probabally a small % of people with the same problem that didn't respond the methods as well as I, but it doesn't mean that it's not the right treatment to follow.
@madjik9 yea...and the guy who stops smoking 15 times won the battle and quit also right? no..if they cured it everytime..that would be one time.the only thing they know to do is to rip it out..cuz we don't kno how to cure the most basic problems
As an infant i spent much time in hospital, at the age of two i spent 6months in an isolation ward after scratching all my skin of when i contracted chicken pox on top of the eczema. i suspect my mother may have had mental illness as she kept feeding the things i had proven allergies to such as cows milk. the severity of it would leave my dangerously dehydrated and open to infection and sepses. I do see how this could be fatal to a small baby
petrinaandbruno 3 weeks ago
Whoa! I thought this was some kind of joke at first when I started playing the video. I have eczema myself, which I consider a nuisance at worst, but I never imagined it actually being life-threatening. No doubt the parents thought that too, but they really should've went with proven science, would've reduced the baby's suffering immensely, and she would still be alive.
Akira625 5 months ago
Homeopathy is NOT treated as an 'equal' to conventional medicine in India! If that were the case, we wouldn't have any population issues! :p
Yes there are a few of those quacks in India as well, but homeopathy is just as much a misleading problem here as it is anywhere else in the world.
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@TheOkati
"Homeopathy is NOT treated as an 'equal' to conventional medicine in India"
Agree. I know quite a couple of Indians very well. Not one of them regard it as anything else than bullshit.
sormu16 5 months ago
Eczema??!! O-kay, I've heard of parents allowing their children to die of some trivial, easily treatable illnesses, but that's the worst. I have to agree that type of mindset is indistinguishable from mental illness. Thanks for the links, & I'd like to encourage you to continue your efforts against misinformation & ignorance.
eumenidis 11 months ago 2
If dilution makes a 'remedy' stronger,
If water has 'memory' to carry a healing effect once the other ingredients are gone,
And considering that Earth's water has been mixing around for a few billion years,
Then any given sip of water has molecules in it that have come into contact with every kind of 'remedy' substances at some point in their history.
Since anyone not dying of dehydration is ingesting water many times a day, you already have every possible 'remedy' covered. How did you get sick?
Keovar 11 months ago 4
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Gingertoontown10 1 year ago
@Gingertoontown10 i feel sorry for your loss
And SUCK THIS HOMEOPATHY
t3rr411 1 year ago
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Gingertoontown10 1 year ago
@Gingertoontown10 i know that your grandma doesn't have any need for homeopathy i'm testing if bandershot is remotely viewing this video and cares about any comment
t3rr411 1 year ago
Horribly sad case. But it's good to hear that the homeopath and his wife got 10 years in prison at lest..
winterstellar 1 year ago 2
WHAT THE FUCK.
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago 3
Homeopathy medicine is a huge sham. My X would only use homeopathy for a bunch of issues she had (AND never got better), I had to leave her after 8 years since her life only revolved around her pains and illness, while she still refused to take medication. Suzanne Sommers was diagnose with breast cancer and made a big deal about how she was going to beat it with homeopathy, yet she never ever talk about it again. All a sham.
hank1972 1 year ago 3
People often ask me, "What's the harm?" when I rant about alternative medicine. After you watch this sad 4 minute video, you'll understand why I get wound up when people get suckered into homeopathy and other quackery.
DudeAbides73 1 year ago 2
I had no idea a person could die from eczema!
SisterSunnshine 1 year ago 2
@SisterSunnshine You can die from a lot of things when you don't take medicine and ignore the advice of legitimate medical doctors. Hell, you can die from syphilis, or a cold that progresses to pneumonia if you don't take medicine.
iruparatso 5 months ago
C0nc0rdance: Better than "Mad Men". Keep it up.
tnordloh 1 year ago
Left me deeply saddened, and angry at the stupidity of the parents. A preventable tragedy. Preventable by the application of reason. I wish I came across your channel earlier (recommended by SisyphusRedeemed) . Your postings are clear, concise and true, and always interesting. Thank you!
dubaipete 1 year ago
It's trully shocking to find out that someone can die from eczema! As a small child I had it, my sister had it, and now my niece has it, and how did we cure this killer disease? Well, buy a tube of salve and rub it on, death avoided!
These people make me sick to my stomach.
mrdaym 1 year ago 2
A little girl died of an easily treatable disease, because her father believed in some bullshit pseudoscience.
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Don't let anyone tell you superstition is harmless. The homeopathy fans posting here aren't just jerks with stupid beliefs, they're part of the reason people die needlessly and painfully.
KapitanoStuff 1 year ago 6
C0nc0rdance has been AWOL for three days since real science was laid at his stumps showing the scientific basis for the very thing he said there was none for: HOMEOPATHY! Where are his smarmy lies now that he's augured in, how much more abuse of the kind he's poured on us do we now have to pour on him before he comes boiling out of his stinkhole, screaming skeptobabble? No wonder he doesn't give us his REAL name!
And what about the Sams? Who defends them?
John R. BENNETH
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
Do the world a favor, and cut up your wrists.
mecher3k 1 year ago
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Notice that since my posting of the link to the Demangeat study here, that like so many other studies demonstrates the phsyical and organic action and chemical analysis of the homeopathic remedy, the producer of this video has remained silent, unable to answer. Of course! He is now faced with the possibility that he has become the very thing he's been accusing me and my colleagues of. PSEUDOSCIENTIST, FRAUD. The big difference is we put our REAL names on our assertions,
as in John R. BENNETH
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
Why not call yourself "Jack Hammer" of Liveleak? The reason I don't respond is that I'm not convinced you are not a Poe, someone who promotes outrageous opinions on the Internet for their shock value. I can find videos of you playing Mark Twain, or an outrageous ultra-whatever shock jock. How do I know you aren't just playing the part of a rabid homeopathic proponent?
The article you cited is terribly uninteresting, and commissioned by the "Pfizer of homeopathy", Boiron.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 16
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@C0nc0rdance Poe? Your DESPERATE to change the subject, & try to discredit more science smashing placebo, this time 4 sponsorship by a mfg. If it was relevant, you'd be SPEECHLESS, because every study supporting the use of a PATENT pharmaceutical on HUMANS is sponsored by a drug company, & THIS IS THE medicine YOU want to send people 2jail4 NOT taking! Demangeat's not the only NMR. If you weren't so scared of being proven wrong, you'd talk to the real investigators about it., like Roy.
johnbenneth 1 year ago
@johnbenneth
Fine. Let's go through the canon of homeopathy:
1. Why are massive doses of homeopathic formulations non-toxic?
2. What is the delta-G of a homeopathic clathrate? Please cite the study showing time course of stability.
3. By what mechanism does succession cause clathrates? What is it about shaking a liquid that causes stable water memory?
4. How many large population, randomized, double-blind control trials can you cite that were done by non-homeopaths with positive results?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 23
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@C0nc0rdance Look who's being "Poe." If you were really interested in the truth, you'd actually confront people in your real character about it, rather than hiding behind a phony pseudonym on Yt doing nothing more than repeating lies spread by a hi skool dropout who became a "debunker" after failing as a magician. Read the studies. Admit your errors. Don't make it worse by digging your claws in. The action comes from the supramolecular structure of the solution, not its composition.
johnbenneth 1 year ago
@johnbenneth
"Phony pseudonym" Isn't that redundant?
I will gladly discuss any point of fact, but don't expect to manipulate me with your rhetoric. It's childish.
I would be quite interested to hear your response to my four questions. In the mean time, perhaps you could answer what the difference is between supermolecular structure of a solution and it's composition. Water is composed of molecules. It has motion driven by solvent diffusion and Brownian motion in liquid phase.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 22
Here's something else to keep you up at night. Shouting placebo causes c carelessness, & serious consequences: Notdeath by negligence, but by HOMEOPATHY! Animals & organisms were killed by repeat dosing of hpathics, which is what probably happened here, a severe aggravation complicated by palliation from allopathic drugs. According to Kent, an MD who admin'd hpathics to 1000's, overdosing GRAFTS the symptoms of illness to the patient for LIFE! They contain CLATHRATES you idiot! Google it!
Bandershot 1 year ago
My question to you is, what would've happened, do you think, if the child received what YOU believe to be proper medical treatment, without receiving homeopathic & died? You can't deny it happens everyday, where your "proper" treatment not only fails to keep someone alive, but is actually the cause of death, re PFIZER rec'ing $1000000 fine for bribing docs to push UNTESTED drugs that killed. Where's your presumptions about that? That wasn't just negiligence, that was outright MURDER.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
I made a video on Pfizer's actions, in fact. The thing is that homeopathy isn't evidence based medicine. There is no science behind it. Your muddled understanding of what clathrates are is good for laughs, but it's just technobabble. You have no idea what you are talking about. Little Gloria deserved to receive the therapy that 99.93% effective.
I haven't convinced myself you aren't a Poe. I've seen your other character, and you're a good actor.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance No science or evidence? Google this- "NMR water proton relaxation in unheated and heated ultrahigh aqueous dilutions of histamine: Evidence for an air-dependent supramolecular organization of water" Demangeat, J of Molecular Liquids. I could flood you with cites like this.So are you arrogant or just lazy? The dif between you & me is that despite the great amount of the literature I have at my fingertips, I know there's more I haven't seen. And I respect the work of others.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
I am familiar with that paper.
It was an interesting one, when redone with proper controls they were unable to distinguish any difference with the control samples.
On closer examination it was found out that in the original experiment several of the technicians had discarded samples which gave the 'wrong' result thus skewing the data.
That people are still trying to cite it demonstrates quite well the dishonesty of homeopaths I think.
ytmoog 1 year ago
@ytmoog How do we know what you say is true? Anyone can say anything here w/o attribution. Where are the references to verify what you say? So who's the liar here? The same high standards you demand of the statments we make, are a wrecking ball to yours. Cite your assertions! Give us the name of the accusers. Let us ask them if what you say is true. And this is only one study. What about Roy, Jonas, Conte, Smith&Boericke, Tiller, Bell, Baumgartner, Montagnier etc? Will you malign them ?
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
"How do we know what you say is true? "
Well, you could do some research. It is all public information.
The program 'horizon' also tried to replicate the experiment using a professional lab and trying for Randi's million dollar challenge.
And found no difference either.
"So who's the liar here?"
I did not state they were 'lying', more likely they are just deluded like the parents in the above video.
ytmoog 1 year ago
@Bandershot
Hmm, actually I think I am thinking of a different experiment involving homeopathic levels of histamine.
My mistake.
ytmoog 1 year ago
@ytmoog Thank you for admitting it. It's unheard of from a homeopathy hater.
Here's what blows the Horizon test out off the water:
"Inhibition of basophil activation by histamine: a sensitive and reproducible model for the study of the biological activity of high dilutions." Sainte-Laudy J, Belon P. This is one of a long chain of these tests. Horizon used shills. Think what will happen to the patent medical industry if this information spreads like a Louisiana oil slick on media beaches.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
"Here's what blows the Horizon test out off the water:"
So why did Jacques Benveniste fail to repeat the experiment successfully when proper controls were introduced?
ytmoog 1 year ago
@ytmoog How do you know what proper controls were and if they were performed correctly? Consider the source. Randi has bet his reputation on the outcome of any test he is in control of. Reports are that he handled the key, while doing sleight of hand tricks for JB's staff, so it's just as easy to surmise that Randi switched it w/his own as it is to believe Benveniste failed.
The basophil degranulation &n other tests have been succesfully replicated. See the WItt review for a complete listing.
Bandershot 1 year ago
this is so sad, to imagine that little girl crying in absolute agony makes me want to cry, cry out of sadness, cry out of pure ANGER! As a parent I would want to do anything and everything in my power to protect my children, even if it meant admitting something I believed in wasn't true.
AnXtheist 1 year ago
i was eating while watching this :-\
loturos 1 year ago
wow that is some seriously fucked up shit dude I cant believe people will let their child die just so they dont have to admit there faith in a medicine was wrong and because of the childs age she had no say in her treatment I really hope people like that do not have children that need medical treatment if they do child services should get involved. amazing video dude
1brutaldeath 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
Can you be a little more specific about your unsourced anecdote? I hear that they flush alligators down the sewer and they grow to the size of school buses, too.
All B2B companies entertain clients. Pharma is no different. I'm not alleging they are paragons of virtue, but Big Oil is sleazy, too. Gasoline is still very effective at moving cars around. Disparaging the company does not invalidate the efficacy of their product.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
"I wonder what type of vested interest you have?"
*laugh* Turn the guns on the critics, eh? Dead agent tactics a la Scientology.
You are referring to publication bias. Something I deal with in the very next video. It is pernicious and dangerous, but it does not validate alternative therapy, it merely calls into question the efficacy of some drugs, and holes in the process.
Can you find the negative bias rate for alt med trials? I'll wait here for your answer.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
You are sadly ignorant of how science journals work.
The people who determine what articles are accepted to journals have no interest in the advertising revenues. The review board are academic scientists from competing labs, not employees of the journal. They are expected to act in this capacity as part of their role as scientists.
Professors at medical schools are self-supporting from research grants, or endowed by donors, usually patients. FDA officials are rarely scientists.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 2
@Homeosaurus
The "natural world fallacy" imagines a hypothetical ideal in the distant past. It is most obviously countered by the decline in deaths from all childhood, acute, and infectious causes of disease, a concomitant increase in lifespan, and a disparity of health between first world and third world populations.
It is only in the last 150 years, among the very richest people, that the desire existed to return to the muddy, disease-infested poverty of the past.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
The problem is this: there's no evidence that homeopathy is anything other than placebo. Repeated tests demonstrate this. The process of science has been applied to homeopathy, and found it to be nothing but placebo. I can go through all your posts and substitute for "homeopathy" the phrase "non-treatment". They are the same thing.
Except, of course, that homeopathy costs a lot more to the patient. Why do we need 18th century pseudoscience woo for our placebo?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 2
@Homeosaurus For the sake of argument let's assume that in 5 years the current leading companies producing Homeopathic products would become global players and "big" - they are for sure profit-oriented already. Do you honestly think that these would then act differently as pharma companies do now (regardless of your conspiracy assertion is correct)? Do those companies have any better market "ethics"? I'd rather postulate the opposite of them being the worst of all by exploiting customers.
tobitege 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus So after surgery you'd reject antibiotics and prefer Homeopathy to prevent infection to the scared tissue etc.? Do you label all medicine as equally toxic? What about the products that go into Homeopathic solutions which are normally toxic and/or shouldn't be digested normally? If they are so powerfull after being diluted, why shouldn't those be viewed as toxic just the same way?
tobitege 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus What's the point in quoting my question when you're not even answering in the correct timely context (I explicitely asked about the time before "big global pharma companies)? Have you never asked yourself critically what the reasons could be for what I asked before?
tobitege 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
This is utter hogwash. The primary granting institution is the NIH Extramural, a division of the HHS, a federal agency. The extramural grants committees are composed of mostly scientists, no pharma, some clinicians. The grants are given ratings on their merit, importance, scope and technical design.
Pharma does their own thing, but they don't publish most of their basic research.
Sorry to ruin your convenient narrative.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus I always hear the argument of profit-mad pharma companies suppressing potential "good" proof for H., which I'd partly like to disagree with. There's been over 100 odd years time to have deliver proof and create a commonly accepted, undisputable track record across scientist. What happened all those decades? Also all this time I doubt those companies would have been so globally capable to achieve your asserted conspiracy. Please explain how that'd work 60 or 80 years ago.
tobitege 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus The emphasis of my comparison should have been that I as a patient accept certain risks taking a certain treatment, as good as possible waging the benefits of it against known disadvantages. If I'd know that a certain treatment is working in 90% of treatments, I do not conclude that I should disregard the treatment completely because of the 10% remaining risk. Your arguments sound to me that exactly those 10% would provide proof, that Homeopathy is therefore automatically working.
tobitege 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus To "scrutinize and review" medical malpractices is surely a valid point. But how can you logically conclude from it, that Homeopathy either is a replacement for actual medicine or reason to completely throw medicine overboard (leaving aside it's unproven)? The "should not be taking 1 life" is common sense.
Please consider that thousands of people die in car crashes every year, but still everybody weighs the benefits of transportation much higher than the potential risks in using it.
tobitege 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
This is the Nirvana Fallacy. "We shouldn't allow people to go skiing, because even one death is too many." You've added a funny twist: "we shouldn't allow people to receive effective medical care, because if even one of them dies, it's one death too many."
There were 642,000 auto collisions in the US in 2005. Do you see why it would be fallacious to use this statistic to illustrate how dangerous automobiles are?
It's about cost/benefit, not drawbacks. Try again.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
Okay. Iatrogenic outcomes are a major cause of death. What does that prove?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
The base rate statistic fallacy: There are many more MDs than homeopaths, seeing many more patients. Comparisons must account for the per-case fatality rate. They must also be adjusted for the demonstrated benefit of modern medicine vs. the demonstrated benefit of homeopathy.
How many people lost their sense of smell to Zicam? How many children are unvaccinated thanks to homeopaths? How did Samuel Hahnemann die? Homeopathy comes with risks. Does it also have benefits?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus
Oh my! This is the fallacy of the false dichotomy, the false comparison, ignorance of base statistics, ignorance of underlying cause, and ever the popular conspiracy and paranoia approach. Wow! That's a lot of fallacies in two posts. A new record!
The consequence of evidence based medicine does not have any bearing on the efficacy of homeopathy. It's a false dichotomy to say we have to choose between homeopathy and iatrogenic mortality.
Try again, with better logic.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
oh my got nice
anke990 1 year ago
U R a BIG LIAR>
sleefton 1 year ago
Hello Dumb GAY. Did your Dadd give birth to you in a test tube on a rented womans womb. what do they call it. Oh yes. I know it. Surrogate Mother. So whose egg did your dadd borrow. Must some slutts from the Kings cross in Sydney as seen in the underbelly. Want to file a law suit against me. bring it on.
sleefton 1 year ago
there is a case still going in the Australian court to prove this. So U need to remove this linking it to thomas sam. Your idiotic views are not supportive to prove who is guility. Why dont you go an drink some synthetic caffeine drinks that will also make u a GAY and then u can write a note saying that Men are supposed to be GAY. ha ha ha ha. this guy is an dumb GAY. he he he
sleefton 1 year ago
The Cause of Death of Gloria is shocking. But who Did it. I know it. Her parents know it. Even the prosecution know. then why did they collide to hide the truth. To save the asses in NSW health.
sdbcadmin 1 year ago
@sdbcadmin you are right - I agree with you. This guy is a Dumb test tube baby working as a Propogandist.
sleefton 1 year ago
Is this Guy saying a Sad Story or Making a Sad Story. for the NSW Health Department.
sdbcadmin 1 year ago
I think you have a brain made of Synthetic coco cola and Mc Donald Synthetic chicken burger.. I am sure u are test tube product ,
sdbcadmin 1 year ago
Dont trust this video above. Its a Propoganda by this Asshole to Frame Thomas Sam. In fact Gloria Did not Die of Eczema. The truth will come out Soon. Thomas and Manju were framed so as to Save some Asses in the Hospital where she was treated and Killed. Hey asshole I am coming after you. I will be sending u to Jail now. Did U get Paid to make this . Why dont u leave your contact number also. I will get U one day.
sdbcadmin 1 year ago
@sdbcadmin I agree with you. Even I know the truth. I have seen that document. In fact I have a copy of that document u are referring to. i think it is due for big press release soon.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton Provide the "document" or gtfo.
ServantofErra 1 year ago
@ServantofErra You are not eligible to see it. bcos u have commented on this Case as Like Judging the Book by its Cover. Like those Dumb Americans who said Iraq Has weapons of Mass destruction.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton Being as wise as you are I expect you are aware that the program formed to look for WMDs in Iraq (ISG) was composed of large contingents of Americans, British, and (you guessed it) Australians! Do you always sound so uninformed and stupid?
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 I am not an Australian. I am an Aborginee. A National. Not the white Convicts who were send here from Europe. We are proud of our race and Culture. One day we will throw these Whites out as it has happened in Zimbabwe. Whits in Australia are all idiots. No Brain. Full of shit. Which white Race are u from??
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton Quite the bigot aren't you? I see that among your many other problems, you are a serious racist as well. How's that working for you?
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 Why dont u got back to where u came from. Your dad pipe. how does that sound.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton It sounds like you are an idiot and either mentally challenged or child, certainly not a rational honest man. You are pretty obvious at this point. Look at your own channel numbnuts.
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@sleefton Ok your webpage says you are in Singapore. Living in someone else's country are you? Stupid troll; having been called on your BS, you actually attempt to raise racial controversy. You really are all about dishonesty aren't you?
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 What website. what singapore. I think u are drunk idiot on the web.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton You are the one claiming you could prove something, you were asked to, you refused. Nice job defending your position bro.
ServantofErra 1 year ago
@sdbcadmin Great, just what the internet needs, another badass.
ServantofErra 1 year ago
@ServantofErra How True One Badass on the Internet spots another Badass.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton An internet badass AKA internet tough guy, is one who makes threats over the internet and expects people to take him seriously, in other words, the only internet badass here is you.
ServantofErra 1 year ago
My first doctor couldn't say i have this so i was in an excruciating pain and itching for few weeks b4 we could get second opinion (couldn't even move from the wounds on the skin, sleep), then i got admitted to a hospital and they couldn't believe how fine i recovered in 2 weeks. Now i just use a creme when i feel it itches but have no visible trace of the condition. almost forgot it i had it
feelthefears 1 year ago
@feelthefears the picture shown here is not that of Gloria at all. Please be adviced. this guy is trying to do a propaganda.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton I know I looked and felt like in the intro of this video for quite some time, so no, for this easily preventable disease, this is not a propaganda.
feelthefears 1 year ago
I have eczema & I am so glad it's not nearly as bad as the child's.
That's terrible she had to die from such a treatable disease.
hannahmorgannnn 1 year ago
Well, the intro is anecdotal and a blatant appeal to emotion. But, unfortunately, this is the only tactic that can get through the thick skulls of homeopathy quacks. They're not interested in 'boring' studies or scientific lectures. If it takes heart-wrenching anecdotes to wake them up out of their pathetic delusion, then so be it. Great video -- both parts.
dookdawg214 1 year ago 2
@dookdawg214 dont trust this guy. he is a propogandist working for the NSW govt of Australia. He has been paid to do it.
sleefton 1 year ago
@sleefton
Sometimes propoganda is true. Would you say this video isn't? If so, which statements/claims contain errors? Please be specific.
dookdawg214 1 year ago
@dookdawg214 This guys says that Eczema can be treated with Conventional medicine Cream which is mainly steriods. The side effect of this is the Asthma when the Child Grows up. The False statement here is Thomas treated his Child with Homeopathy. In fact he did not treat her with Homeopathy and its only an allegation. No Evidences of treatment were there even in court. Only evidence was she was treated with conventional medicine.
sleefton 1 year ago
@dookdawg214 Respond to this video...This Child died due to treatment by conventional medicine. Evidence to this effect is there in the court document. What happened in this case the prosecution turned around and said that he treated her with Homepathy. The prosecution knew of that document. and it was by collusion with the Govt appointed defence that evidence was withheld so that the Govt appointed defence would get a promotion from her current job as a QC.
sleefton 1 year ago
@dookdawg214 Respond to this video...The only thing Thomas did was to Trust the Commonwealth Justive system in Australia. I think if there was there an indegenious court . Thomas would have been free now. Thomas is Innoncent. in all aspects. We know it. Wait for the truth to come out.
sleefton 1 year ago
The cause needs to be addressed: INFLAMMATION. Nearly all dis-ease is caused by substances, either ingested or otherwise exposed to, that cause inflammation in the body. All drugs do is cover up the symptoms. The causes of inflammation are what needs to be discovered, and then illiminated. Masking the symptoms with pharmaceuticals often becomes a lifelong dependence upon "drugs", and people then never truly take responsibility for their real health, and eliminate the sources of inflammation.
wildmtnwoman 1 year ago
@wildmtnwoman What a very stupid thing to say! Have you ever heard of the "Germ Theory of Disease"? Over a hundred years old you know. What substances exactly cause influenza, Listeriosis, Chlamydia, gangrene, Pertusis, Diptheria, Cholera, Bubonic Plague.......etc, etc. "Life long dependence upon drugs" Good god you need an education!
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
and i thibk everyone can agree that the population never is 100% anything. there is not one thing out there that will effect every single person the same way..no treatments..drugs ..nothing anywhere ever. we do not all have the same genes or diseases or viruses and we do not all react to our enviroment or medication the same way...
mailderrick 1 year ago
to have a solidcase you need a control and a variable..this can not ever be proven in this case because the child is no longer with us..you can not undo and redo to test which one is sucessful treatment if any or none...impossible
mailderrick 1 year ago
I never knew you could die from Eczema, I have eczema, thankfully not that bad. o.o And poor girl.
Iichyaa 1 year ago
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Don't forget to mention that the British Medical Association recently admitted that its members kill at least 12,000 people every year by giving them the correct medical treatment. That's the figure they admit to. Undisputed. It is also acknowledged that the real figure is closer to 20,000. That's the UK. It's thought to be about 200,000 every year in the USA - killed by the CORRECT medical treatment.
BoneySkylord 1 year ago
@BoneySkylord
Classic false dichotomy and false equivalence.
1. Our choice is not between "dangerous" real medicine and "safe" homeopathy. It is between a treatment that has been demonstrated to be effective, and one that has not.
2. The harm that medicine does is greatly offset by the good that it does. Homeopathy has not demonstrated any benefit over placebo. It has not extended life, or removed suffering, other than through placebo. It displaces real treatment in cases like Gloria's.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 10
@C0nc0rdance
You might get more understanding, if you were to use BoneySkylords own style of phrase. Such as statistics of how many people use Airplanes to travel and how many die each year and what percentage are they, yet we all still use airplanes to travel.
Rhysesmum 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
I suspect that what has not been said by BoneySkylord is that in the same BMA report are the figures of the amount of people who took the correct medication that was prescribed, but took it incorrectly and died as a result. The sort of people that feel ill and so take antibiotics, start to feel better and don't take the rest of the course as instructed. Or think that if 1 pill is good then 2 must be better.
Rhysesmum 1 year ago
@Rhysesmum exactly..maybe we should jail everyone that smokes for harming our children with unfiltered smoke?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance almost got it...#1 is so close. there are more than 2 options...and "safe" unsafe medicine is not always the answer..neither is water..
#2 says whos?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Bullcrap, and typical response from anyone associated with "modern medicine, (the power and money-hungry just won't give up, even though these toxic treatments are maiming and killing people by the millions worldwide.
wildmtnwoman 1 year ago
@wildmtnwoman Bullshit! yours is a typical response from anyone lacking a credible education and who is totally devoid of any critical thinking skills. You are alive you ungrateful fool most likely because of the advances medicine. You are so afraid of anyone with money or as you say "power" you are willing to sound just about as stupid as a person can sound and still be alive.
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
How many people die from prescription drugs each year. HOW MANY?! This guy is a pill pusher - he's a mouthpiece for big pharma.
theDracoIX 1 year ago 2
Propaganda!
theDracoIX 1 year ago
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theDracoIX 1 year ago
in my early twenties i was afflicted by chronic excema. It was hard to treat at first because i had developed unexpected allergies and so at first had no idea how to combat the inflammation. at one point i thought i would die, i wanted to die because i had hardly slept in almost a month. I will never forget the burning pain which engulfed 70% of my body in those weeks. the horrific death of this child is something i can all too easily imagine. shame on all peddlers of pseudoscience. sad story.
PlanetBongoSan 1 year ago
I can't find the link in the side bar, but a quick search found:
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InternalCompass 1 year ago
Love it, keep up the good work. The sad thing is all the "alternative" promoters would have to do in order to get their methods recognized is perform a few properly structured and documented experiments, yet they can't seem to manage it.
FairCogent 1 year ago
@FairCogent once again..cuz not everyone responds to treatments the same..and what may work for one person may not work for anyone else..that is why sometimes mothers use intuition? sometimes they tell doctors what is wrong when the doctor doesn't know...
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick The effectiveness of a treatment is assessed in properly controlled and structured trials. I'll accept the power of "intuition" as soon as someone manages to show via properly controlled trials that it's actually useful in determining anything. Until then, it's exactly as useful as any other anecdote (read: it isn't).
FairCogent 1 year ago
Many babies and children are killed or harmed irreparably from VACCINES! Why aren't you talking about how the government and pharmaceutical companies and doctors that push vaccines should be incarcerated for all the harm they do? You're wrong about homeopathics...they do work, and this obviously was a very sad case, but not due to parental neglect.
wildmtnwoman 1 year ago
@wildmtnwoman AMEN!!!
mailderrick 1 year ago
@wildmtnwoman Just so you know nitwit, the Government, ALL the pharmaceutical companies and Vaccine makers, AND their dogs will be showing up on your doorstep soon. Are you really that paranoid that you would spew your crap regardless of the harm it represents? You are truely a very sad case!
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
How did I cure my baby's excema? Elimination diets, breastfeeding, cloth dryer sheets and laundry nuts from Chartruesse Product, and very very gentle and natural lotion and wash from California Baby. Stupid doctors and allergists were no help, the medical industry has lost my faith. I do not agree with the ending of this video and the mandating of care for children. My children are MY children. Had I listened to the quacks that saw my baby, he would still be a mess today.
blooeyedbaybee 1 year ago
@blooeyedbaybee AMEN!!!
mailderrick 1 year ago
A load of crock, convicting the parents of manslaughter? Considering that doctors are the number one cause of death in America, and mistreat, misdiagnose, and shove every random chemical drug they can make a profit on, into the bodies of every person who walks in their door, why don't we convict them of manslaughter too? When a doc shoves a needle full of poison into a newborn and causes them to go autistic or develop brain problems or cripple them, we don't convict them of malpractice. BS
vigilantezack 1 year ago
And what people fail to realize about homeopathy is that it is the foundation of modern day medicine. How do you think the big pharm companies 'discover' cures to things??? Our forefathers experimented, and they test on people today.
byakuganrotation 1 year ago
Well, I think those parents brought the worst punishment onto themselves, but still they had to face court and they were sentenced rightly. Now, as a parent I can totally understand that you'd try almost everything to make your child better. I might even try homeopathy even though I consider it bs, but only if nothing else works. So, if your weapon of choice failed, not to use the other one is criminal.
Sorry, but if you put your belief in quackery above the life of a child, you're a criminal.
giliellthesecond 1 year ago
@giliellthesecond it is not always that simple or that vblack and white even though in this case it appears as so...but perhaps you are seeing this through your own perception of the world and just maybe perhaps not everyone lived your experiences and is as enlightened as you?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Belive me, when it comes to my children, enlightenment often has to fight for a seat in the front row. I can totally understand that you want to keep stuff that admittedly has severe side effects from your kid, or any treatment that causes discomfort. Every time I take my kids for a vaccination I have to make a constant decission not to grab them and run. The3 hardest thig I ever had to do was to hold my daughter by force to for drip feeding while she was begging us not to hurt her
giliellthesecond 1 year ago
@mailderrick That's why I put that off until I couldn't do it without risking serious damage and complications. I'm all for trying soft things first. And I'm all for getting a second opinion before doing things the hard way. But those parents failed. It's not that they didn't have the possibilities. It's not that they weren't informed about other treatments. They knew there were, they saw that their little girl was in agony and they decided NOT to do all they could to save her.
giliellthesecond 1 year ago
@giliellthesecond it would appear that way..just glad i do not have to make that judgement. As far as vaccines.i would reccomend a lil more research.Maybe even view a very good documentary called "the hidden truths of vaccines" check out sites like VAARS and just think..why is there mercury in ,formadehyde?etc?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@giliellthesecond just as the FDA said for years it is perfectly safe to put mercury in your mouth in a filling,but the waste can not be put down drain because it could leak to water sources eventually and cause mercury poisining.But it is ok to have mult. fillings in your mouth with levels far exceeding toxicity directly everyday.Well, it was safe til the law suit..now it is moderately safe with warnings
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick Oh no, please not the good old "vaccines are bad" story *sigh* Been there, debated that, found less science and reason in anti-vaccination claims than mercury in my mouth (doing a little research on what and when mercury is poisonous would not harm), decided to stop it. Come back if you have any new information/claims beside the good old mercury/autism/not working stuff. And yes, science can err. Wrong medication can do harm.
giliellthesecond 1 year ago
@giliellthesecond actually there is much data out there..most of it is passed over or ignored cuz it doesn't jive with medical standards or bring in money.i also think much more studying needs done and dead people dont talk. i believe that poisoning may be far greater than we realize ;perhaps that is why i am half retaded
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick Surely, not doing anything (and giving pure water/sugar isn't a remedy for anything except dehydration any hypoglycaemia) has never actively harmed anybody while giving medication can actually kill somebody. But it also has never helped or cured anybody.
giliellthesecond 1 year ago
@giliellthesecond well then it cures 2 things so modern western medicine and bogus treatments have an equal score..there are other various treatments out there also..these are not the only 2
mailderrick 1 year ago
maybe one day i will go to jail..cuz i believe in natural cures more than a dr. so if the doctor "causes death" or can not stop it...(which is not the same as causing it) then he is ok..but if i "cause" it...even though i love my child and want the best..theni go to jail?
mailderrick 1 year ago
Do dr's equally have to go to jail if their treatments do not work? We can't judge intentions,i realize this but to mandate this is as gross as the losses of anyone for any reason
mailderrick 1 year ago
Do dr's equally have to go to jail if their treatments do not work? We can't judge intentions,i realize this but to mandate this is as gross as the losses of anyone for any reason
mailderrick 1 year ago
1 of the worst videos i ever saw.not only cuz we lost a child, but also the gross direction that this country is going in taking away parental rights & mandating gov. run healthcare.I guess we're to believe that Dr.'s have all the answers & can cure anything, but,i ask:name 1 drug (outside of an antibiotic) that ever cured anything ever! & then horrible side effects.I don't think that if the worst case scenario happens that the parent should have to go to jail..
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Oh, how I wish you were kidding.
"name 1 drug (outside of an antibiotic) that ever cured anything ever!"
Let's see. bronchodilators, carboplatin, beta-blockers, insulin, cortisol, cholinergics, antihistamine, quinone, Herceptin, aromatase inhibitors, dopamine agonists, anthelmintics, amoebicides, antivirals, antiprotozoals, antifungals, keratolytics, tamoxifen, statin drugs, aspirin, NSAIDS, interleukins, erythropoietin, beta-seron, anti-venin, vaccines, and immunoglobulins.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 21
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@C0nc0rdance Not one of these medications Cures, their bandaids- what is the root cause- everything you mentioned here is the end result of an undetected root cause, and there goes the medication merry-go round- Their all toxic in some way shape or form, but they DO NOT CURE!
sickfrmtick 1 year ago
"their [sic] bandaids"
No, I can assure you that an antiviral is quite effective against a viral infection. It removes the underlying cause as well.
Life has a 100% mortality rate. We measure the effectiveness of drugs by how they improve quality and quantity of life. I can assure you that every one of those drugs has demonstrably shown to improve life for patients, regardless of placebo effect.
Homeopathy has never been shown to be more effective than placebo by that measure.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 8
@C0nc0rdance i wish i were also:which one of those is a cure? bronchodilators have been known to worsen conditions over time,in fact; there was just a law suit over that.beta blockers never got rid of any conditions of dis.another big law suit a few years ago over the deaths from certain comp's that we won't name. all the way down to aspirin? lol..what disease does that cure? alcoholism? perhaps you believe in that disease,i have yet to catch it..and i knew a lot of alcoholics
mailderrick 1 year ago
Your post demonstrates your inability to think rationally.
A scientist phrases the question as:
1. Bronchodilators cause worsening in WHAT PERCENT of patients?
2. How many COPD patients would die at a much younger age without beta-2 agonists/anticholinergics?
How many patient years are lost, and how many gained, by making the bronchodilator the standard of care?
Also, low-dose aspirin in CV disease reduces risk of strokes and heart attacks by about a fifth. Can homeopathy do that?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 6
@C0nc0rdance glad ya can repeat what ya r told.R ya a dr or gov. off. that tells dr's what to believe?
asp. may red.cause of stroke cuz it thins blood,which incr.risk of aneurysm.I think as rational as i can using all data & know.i have not just to believe what i am told to
mailderrick 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance for ex: i do not know what percentage..i guess that is left up to someone who can gather together the numbers..and then again how will we know the real numbers ever? esp. when everyone with basic asthma is using an inhaler
mailderrick 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance .i just hope i don't wake up with it somehow tomorrow otherwise i might be needing that aspirin
mailderrick 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance You forgot phosphodiesterase inhibitors. I'm sure that there are more than a handful of Viagra users' wives who will testify to their cures! ;-)
TheLivingDinosaur 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Yes, parents should have the RIGHT to kill their children, just as 'god' has the RIGHT to take out all who 'reject' him. Surely, there's no connection between these two positions?
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson ok..so when a doctor treats with modern medicine and drags on the conditions of illness.(treating symptoms not causes) and the child sufferes longer or worsens from adverse side effects...the doctor is not responsible..when the doctor gives up and the family calls a priest,rabbi,brother etc. for a blessing ..the doctor again is off the hook.but the parents are hung who love their children and try to do their best?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Another mind lost to the teabaggers.
If you are suggesting that parents should have the right to be this grossly negligent, resulting in the needless suffering and death of an infant, the washing of your brain is complete.
I had 2 visits with doctors this week, and the hospital and specialist I saw were still 100% private, and plan to remain so. So where's the big gov't takeover (and all those pinko commies!) we're supposed to be so afraid of?
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 good thing that is not what i was saying then huh? nor am i a tebagger...has nothing to do with party..jus ttoo many laws these days..are you a lawyer? and too many good people ending up in crowded over run systems..that you pay for..i was not even talking about healthcare itself.. i think anyhelp the government wants to give in that area is great..so long as it is not forced and they don't send people to jail for not going.
mailderrick 1 year ago
@madjik9 ohh, and parents that would deliberately hurt or abuse their child is disgusting..i am not talking about that..i am talking about the definition of abuse being interpreted by law and twisted into who knows what..soon they will tell us it is abuse to wake our kids too early. parents should have certain basic rights on how they raise their children..they should not hurt or give them diseases intentionally..intention...INTENTION will always be the keyword..how can one prove intention?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
"soon they will tell us"
McCarthyism is alive and well it seems. The falling of the sky is always just around the corner, right? It seems that fear clouds you.
It also seems that the parents in this vid intentionally deprived their child of known, effective treatments. Had they not done so, it is highly likely that this child would now be alive and well. Let's see how well the prosecutors make the case regarding the poor intentions of these clowns.
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 fear? i hope you are not full of that..no cure there either.i will be strong and stand up for our rights though..not for the right to mistreat or abuse but the right to guide and raise in a loving way.Deaths happen to kids unfortunatly in our hands,in Dr's hands...even with the best medical care you will also one day die..whose fault will that be?
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Question is, where do your rights as a parent end? Do you have a right to deprive your child of a known, effective treatment when the likely outcome is a high degree of suffering, even death?
I say no.
You seem to have a grudge against medicine and its imperfections. Since it makes mistakes, should we discard it entirely?
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 great questions..no parent should be allowed to deprive as much as medical community should not be allowed to impose jail due to not folling recomendations.If i disagree witha vaccine i hope i have the right and they can not force it God forbid something foes wrong should i do jailtime? i would agree if they agree to go if i follow and something goes wrong..which means eventually no dr's cuz despite all medical advancements we all will die.
mailderrick 1 year ago
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@mailderrick
"should not be allowed to impose jail due to not folling recomendations"
As long as it only affects you. If you are of adult age and you wish to refuse, fine. But when you impose a death sentence on someone to young to do anything about it, society needs to know that that kind of stupidity is not tolerated.
If not the morons would come out in droves forcing their quackery on the young who then start dying in large numbers.
And yes we all die, so?
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 should people be alowed to abuse..no..what is abuse..well that is perceptive based(but when i say no..i think we know what i mean and i am not talking about refusing treatment due to beliefs or any other reason)
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
"whose fault will that be?"
Every situation is different, should be obvious.
If the child in this vid recieved the proper care, but it was ineffective and the child died anyway, we wouldn't even be talking about it.
The point is that had this child recieved conventional care it is very likely that it would be happy and healthy today.
People can be willful dumbasses if they want to be, but when they impose their ignorance on the helpless, someone has to step in.
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 you are right again. if the child died..no one would care that the doctor could do nothing..yet he will not go to jail for trying..if a parent decides to go their way and their treament is as effective as the doctors..they will! yet doctors still haven't cured anything yet still so much blind respect
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Are you really upset that doctors don't weild magic?
If a doctor treats 100 patients, with 99 successes and 1 failure, are you suggesting that the doctor be punished for the 1?
And because of that 1, should the next 100 patients not be treated the same as the first?
Everythings black and white with you isn't it? Cont...#...
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 where is this hospital? i would go to one that yielded 1 sucess and 99 failures..probem is ..they dont exist...maybe in fairyland with unicorns...when it comes to true diseases..there are NO CURES!!!
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
Wow you are thick, you only see what u want to. When I was young, I would often get strep throat, and they would cure it 100% every time. Eventually, they took my tonsils out and I never got strep again. There were probabally a small % of people with the same problem that didn't respond the methods as well as I, but it doesn't mean that it's not the right treatment to follow.
madjik9 1 year ago
@madjik9 yea...and the guy who stops smoking 15 times won the battle and quit also right? no..if they cured it everytime..that would be one time.the only thing they know to do is to rip it out..cuz we don't kno how to cure the most basic problems
mailderrick 1 year ago
@mailderrick
"yea...and the guy who stops smoking 15 times "
Sounds like this example is someone who is doing it to himself.
Not really what this vid is about is it?
The rest of that was so incoherent I don't even know what to say...
What's you obsession with curing?
They're not magic.
Are you disappointed that they aren't magic?
madjik9 1 year ago