very well explained. this is my first season ridin and i just bought a cbr600rr. i understood the countersteer but u made the concept understandable. just a teaser b4 i take this cycle course i have planned. maybe a video on good riding position. i hear buddies talkin bout most there weight is beared on there legs. i may need an adjustment. i think i lean and put weight on my bars. any advice to find the ideal stop? ride safe. thanks
It's a point I think that bears mentioning, but technically, you ALWAYS countersteer to get the bike to lean, even at slow speeds. The initial counter steer motion is very brief at low speeds, but it still occurs. There's a couple of videos on YouTube demonstrating this for those who don't want to get too deeply into the physics involved.
by the way u crack me up dude hey check out my facebook if u want in startin a motorcycle awareness program jus look up (southwest arkansas motorcylce awareness)
Countersteering is how you initiate the lean that turns your bike. Your wheels are crucial gyroscopes that keep you upright. Push one of your gyroscopes left or right and it leans the two gyroscopes together. It's called precession. The bike only needs input to the bars to ride; you are just cargo. Servos could operate an unmanned motorcycle effectively.
Do you suppose I could fill up ever two weeks or longer if I drive 55 every week back and forth to work? I think my commute is 60 something miles from home to work and back mon thru fri
@1ultraquick You push forward, not down. It's a very gentle push to start the bike leaning. Also, you want to use the fuel tank to hold yourself on the bike, not the bars. You don't want to add unintentional steering input to the bars.
@motorolaq9m To go right you don't push right for the whole turn but just briefly and gently until the bike leans. It's good for getting the lean on quickly.
so do you keep the push right to go right throughout the WHOLE turn and push left to balance it straight again? or do you push right to go right to get it to lean THEN turn right like you normally would under 10 miles an hour?
Is the right turn blinker on when you're waiting for your left hand turn? Counter-signaling? Counter-steering....seems counter-intuitive, but hey, that's the way it works. Thanks for the vid.
Good video! Just touching the handlebar with one finger let's you really get a good look at countersteering. Don't worry if you don't understand completely, it will come natural when you gain experience. I never even thought about it until a friend just mentioned it, so I YouTube it and... bah! Great explination!
What if you're going like 40ish and the turn is kinda sharp but really long so do you still use counter-steering? I'm guessing you have no choice but to use it. Someone with info would be great! PM me if anything
No, sorry, wrong. You missed the whole point of the video. On a motorcycle, you do all your steering by countersteering rather than leaning. It is much quicker and more precise. Only at slow speeds do you steer by aiming the front wheel with the handlebars.
@HJC1950 Where in my comment did I say anything about steering with the handle bars? Your pulling apples from oranges here boss. And yes, it is to evade objects on the road. You could use it for every lane switch I guess, but it is an evasive tactic."Steering" the direction of the bike is done in the hips. If you disagree you should have all the MSF courses re-written.
Dude when you pointed out the "Cop Spot" @ 9:31 I was thinking that looks like the spot on 20 I creep past in the morning going to work, coming from Grovetown. Then I saw the rest of the video :-)
when you say push right to go right. do you mean push as in turn the handle bars to the right to go right? or push right in a downward motion towards the ground to go right?
@schinkengermany what he means by push right is, press the handle bar in the direction you want, steering int he opposite direction - hence the name counter steering
@schinkengermany you push forward in the direction you want to go. Just like he showed when you push right the bike goes right and left for left. What nobody seems to realize is when you lean you're acting on the handlebars and don't realize it. You can use this technique to fight crosswinds, too. I lean it into the wind by pushing on the bars and it helps with the buffeting in a crosswind. On my bike the changeover in direction is around 18 mph wiht a fat 16" front tire.
This is not what counter-steering is about and you drive way to fast where they work on the road! Counter-steer is unbalancing the bike so you go into a bend of the road better, like bicycle riding. Are you just pushing the handlebar? I advice to lean with the bike instead of keeping the body most upright, where the bike may want to go its own way. Counter-steering allows speeding those slow turns up a little. At those high speeds the steer is blocked by the centrifugal and gyroscopic torque...
getting presure plate at stop to pick up light motorcycles: I found if you pull up to the pad and smash the back break , it will feel the presure and work!
I also speak from personal experience, I've had a few close calls where I was taking a corner too wide, but didn't really understand how to make it turn sharper - when you are heading towards a tree or oncomming traffic, you panic.
I'm a much better rider now that I fully understand how bikes steer.
If you are going round a corner, and the corner tightens up - you need to apply more counter-steer to make the bike lean and turn sharper. When you apply this extra counter-steer, the wheels do not face the opposite direction.
Keep reading this until it sinks in and all will be clear :
- Counter-steer describes a force applied to the handlebar, not the direction of the wheel.
To clarify, counter-steer is the force you apply to the handlebar, it has nothing to do with the direction that the wheel is facing.
But, the wheel does face the opposite direction for a split second as you start the turn. During the turn, the counter-steer you apply doesn't mean the wheel turn in the opposite direction anymore, it just stops the wheel turning too much which would make the bike go back upright, and in a straight line.
It's a force you apply, not the direction of the wheel.
this explains why the bike in racing on real hard corners at speed has the wheel pointing away from the turn. have to treat it like a pendulum, hence why racing bikes have you sit high to extend that inertia from the weight of the rider to pull the bike through turns much quicker.
i'm just thinking aloud here, i never really road a motorcycle much. i ride mountain bike all the time and the countersteering isn't really an issue due to much less weight and less than 20+ mph usually.
CaneFu is 100% correct. Moto GP race drivers have to use an incredible amount of counter-steer through a corner to keep the bike leaned over and turning. If they stopped applying counter steer, the bike would lean up-right and go in a straight line. The faster and heavier the bike, the harder you have to counter-steer.
The wheel is actually turned into the corner, counter steer is just the force you apply in the opposite direction to stop the wheel going in a straight line.
Just want to comment that watching this video was one of the things that inspired me to go for my driving license. Now, 2 years later, I'm riding my Moto Guzzi and loving every moment of it!
Thanks for the demo. This has helped me understand the why's and hopefully I won't have such a death grip on the bars as I'm going down the interstate.
Countersteering works for a bicycle too I was checking it a few days ago. And one more thing - you say that the traffic lights won't turn green when there are no cars on the lane? I have same problem in Poland with some intersections when I ride my bicycle. On some of them motorcyclists also have the problem, so if their heavy machines can't activate the traffic lights then I don't think I have any chance on my 15kg-weight bicycle. I heard about the magnets but I don't think this will work...
great video, had no idea about this, but lookin at gettin a bike soon, ridden bicycles and pocket rockets before past like 35mph, just never realized it. Thanks for this vid, very helpful
@TheThingamajig No, centrifugal force will sent you to hell if you do like this... when you lean the bike a lil bit like in CS, you balance against the centrifugal force...
I am looking to get a bike next year. It will be my first one so I am trying to absorb as much information that I can. This was an excellent video on showing countersteering. Well Done!
@redneck500 just push your steer slightly use your feeling.push right mean turn right push left mean turn left.Only push no pull.all racer do this mate.use this technique when your speed above 8mph.
@lampion333 ok thanks. Thats kinda what i thought. I bought a 1500 cc vulcan, and I have no idea how to really ride it and i dont wanna get killed LOL thanks.
Hey Shoop, Don't know about the rebel he is on, but my bike only has one light to indicate that one of the blinkers is on. Not on for the left and one for the right.
yeah your right...people just need to learn how to ride a bike... i guess they think if u turn to the right its gona fall over to the left. pushin up left on the left handel bar is the same as kinda turnin the handle bars left and leanin with it
I didn't know i was using countersteering until i first time read this explained about a year ago :). Till that just used it automatically when needed fast turn :)
I dont know why so many people go on about counter steering. Just push down on the right and lift up on the left with the other hand to steer right and vise versa when you want to turn left. Leaning in combo with this helps.
the word 'counter' in countersteering is just stupid as hell. Believe me it's very simple, you'll notice by urself what the bike wants to go in the direction u want it.
The diffrence btween 10mph and say 50, is that at 10' you really bend ur steer out. (like when not driving, for left just pull the left). But on 50, u have to LEAN on the left side, and the bike will slowly (like vid says, it takes 1 or 2 seconds) go in left direction. Just don't call it countersteering, its confusing for people
The problem with telling people to "counter-steer" is they start wondering things like "do I need to counter steer all the way around the turn?" NO. That's not what you're doing. All you're doing is _starting_ your bike's lean by moving the wheels out from under you. Turn by LEANING. How? Move the wheels out from under you.
@greg5566 Actually, YES you do need to counter-steer all the way around many turns as I have done it. It depends on the turn, the speed you are traveling, and how you balance it out with the throttle. I usually counter-steer all the way around entrance ramps to the interstate while accelerating.
@CaneFu Actually no, but I guess as long as whatever you think you're doing gets you around the corner, then it's fine.
All you're doing on a bike is balancing, same as you would a broom stick on your palm. If you fall too far one way, you steer the other way. You're doing this constantly on your motorcycle, it's just so subtle you don't realize it, same around corners, you make small adjustments. But you're not counter-steering, you're just balancing.
@greg5566 Actually YES, after 2 decades of riding I know EXACTLY what I am doing and you shouldn't try to tell me otherwise. Through certain types of turns and at certain speeds while accelerating I am definitely without a doubt counter-steering through the entire turn. As I accelerate it causes me to constantly lean the bike more and more to maintain balance. I have experienced this many times so don't tell me that I haven't.
@CaneFu I'm not try to tell you what you think you're experiencing; I'm just telling you how motorcycles work. I'm talking physics, you're talking your perception.
@greg5566 To further clarify this point I am forced to maintain forward pressure on the hand-grip (counter-steering) through the entire turn as I accelerate uphill on the interstate ramp. As long as I don't let off the throttle, I am FORCED to keep pushing forward on that hand-grip to maintain balance. It IS counter-steering through the entire turn.
@CaneFu Of course you have to turn out more as you accelerate. As you accelerate, if you didn't, your additional speed would push you out on the turn. You need to get your wheels farther out from under you to lean the bike more to compensate for the additional centrifugal force. What you're describing is exactly what I described, just in a corner not from a straight line. Obviously constantly accelerating is a different situation. . . .
@CaneFu You're not CONSTANTLY counter-steering at all, you're counter steering a little bit at a time as you accelerate, exactly as I said. It's when you change your speed and so on that you need to lean the bike more. You're not counter steering around the corner, you're counter steering to compensate for the acceleration.
@greg5566 And that forward pressure that I am forced to maintain on the hand-grip through these particular turns while accelerating is on the INSIDE hand-grip and that IS counter-steering.
@CaneFu Again counter-steering is a myth. What you are doing is moving the wheels in the opposite direction, to get the bike to lean in the direction you want it to go. It's all about balance, it has nothing to do with steering "against" the turn. That doesn't exist.
@greg5566 If you don't understand this concept then I found a reference for you to read on the daytonamotorcycletraining website....
"high speed turns may require counter steering throughout the turn"
Honestly, you shouldn't pretend to be an expert if you don't understand this principle and post half-truths because someone who reads your advice might get killed as a result of you misleading them. Sometimes higher speed turns DO require counter steering throughout the entire turn.
@CaneFu Counter-steering is one of the biggest myths I've ever seen, certainly about motorcycles at least. It's a bunch of people with no understanding of physics trying to explain something they don't understand. I'm just explaining to you how physics works, I'm not pretending to be an expert at anything. If people understood what was actually going on that would be FAR less dangerous than this ridiculous myth that you have to continually turn against the turn. It's silly and not true.
@CaneFu "sometimes" means when you're accelerating--obviously: you're changing your centrifugal force, you need to change the bike's center of gravity to compensate for it. It's just physics, it's not some mystical behavior of bikes that no one can explain.
@CaneFu The website you sent me to agrees precisely with what I said. Counter-steering is not something you do through a turn. The leaning bike is what turns you. Counter-steering is: "(the front wheel briefly points in the opposite direction of turn)." That is, BRIEFLY. Exactly what I said. When you're accelerating, you basically require a constant, continuous additional brief outside steer. You are mistaking that for one continuous counter-steer.
Why all these repetitive posts from you? Counter-steering is NOT a myth - try turning your motorcycle at high speed without doing it! It is the only way to get your motorcycle to lean around a turn. Of course it is a series of adjustments around a turn but you are still counter-steering to make those adjustments. I never said there was anything mystical about it - IT IS JUST SIMPLE AND UNAVOIDABLE PHYSICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@CaneFu You either aren't reading what I have explained, or you don't understand it. I'll say it again (I am repetitive because you are dense).
Balancing a bike is like balancing a broom stick on your palm, you move your palm under the stick to keep it balanced. On your bike, as you are riding you move the wheels back and forth under you to keep it balanced. You aren't aware of it, but that is what bike riding is. . . .
@CaneFu To turn a bike, you move it's center of gravity to the side of the wheels. (to the right to turn right, e.g.) You cannot LEAN to the right because the bike weighs too much and you don't have anything to push against. So what you do to move the center of gravity to the right with respect to the wheels is you move the wheels TO THE LEFT. If you just steer the wheels a little to the left, the weight of the bike stays where it is . . .
@CaneFu and voila, the center of gravity is now to the right of the wheels, and the bike leans to the right, pulling it to the right. You simply lean to the right by moving the wheels to the left. That's all. But "countersteering" is not a constant motion, it's just a little swerve to get the lean started.
The reason the word "counter-steering" is misleading is that it implies that to turn right you need to turn the wheels to the left. . . .
@greg5566 No one thinks the word counter-steer means the wheels are turning the opposite direction. It's just the word used to describe the action the rider has to take to maintain the turn.
MotoGP Riders have to constantly apply incredible amounts of counter-steer while going around a corner at a constant speed, because the weight of the bike and the speed they are travelling will make the bike go back upright if you let go of the handlebar. The wheel is still facing into the corner.
@dtrrider1 I think, but I'm not sure about this, that that is because when a bike is leaning, the front wheel has a natural tendency to turn in the direction of the lean. That is, if you stand behind your bike and lean it slowly to the right, I'm pretty sure the front fork will turn in that direction as well. What the MotoGP riders are doing is keeping the wheel from turning too much to the right. (Again, that is just a guess, I'm not 100% sure about it.)
@greg5566 That is exactly correct. If a motogp rider took his hands off the handlebar, the wheel's would turn too far into the turn, and make the bike go upright and in a straight line.
They need to constantly apply force in the opposite direction to keep the wheel from turning too far.
@dtrrider1 That's really interesting. It's also fascinating to me how complex the physics are of such a seemingly simple thing. It's difficult to fathom that when you are turning at 100 mph with the bike leaned at an 80 degree angle what you're really doing is BALANCING the gravity pulling downward and the centrifugal force pulling outward.
@dtrrider1 So okay, if, as you say, countersteering refers to the pressure necessary to keep the fork from turning inward too far, then a vast number of motorcyclists do in fact, as I suspected, misunderstand the concept and the point. (And you were right in the beginning when you said I just don't understand what the word refers to.) My understanding of the _word_ is the _common_ understanding of the word, and I think that you correctly understand it is something completely different.
@dtrrider1 But every video I've watched on youtube explains countersteering as the way to START a turn on a bike. That's completely different from the force necessary to keep the fork from turning in too far.
Okay! I think we've beaten this dead horse thoroughly. You've taught me something! Basically, there is the REAL meaning of counter-steer, and the conventional amateur meaning of the word. I am correct that the amateur meaning is _wrong_, but there is a correct use of the term as well.
@greg5566 I agree. All the video's showing how to initiate a turn at slow speeds are misleading. They are done to emphasise how counter-steer works, because at slow speeds and initiating a turn, is the only time we can physically see counter-steering at work.
It leads to people believing that the wheel always turns left to go right. Which is wrong.
When you watch a motorbike at high speeds, the wheel always looks as if it's going in a straight line, so it's very hard to show counter-steering.
@dtrrider1 But now we're talking about three different situations, each with its own dynamics. (1) making a straight-traveling bike turn, (2) accelerating around a corner, and (3) turning at a constant speed when the bike is almost on its side. Those are three not-the-same things. The point each time (my point at least) is don't think about counter-steering, just do what comes naturally. Press if you want, sure, but feel it, don't do it mechanically.
@greg5566 motorbikes naturally want to go in a straight line. A rider of a hyabusa died of hypothermia while being chased by police on a german autobarn (straight road). The bike travelled for miles with a dead rider.
The faster you go, the heavier your bike, the more it will remain upright. Therefore the amount of counter-force you apply is greater.
Which is why I use the example of motogp riders going 150 mph on a heavy bike.
Stop counter-steering those and you go in a straight line.
@CaneFu But you're not "steering" to the left, it's just a small SWERVE left to get the wheels to the left of the center of gravity, then the bike leans right. It's very simple. All this bullshit about counter-steering is in your head. You're saying it's "unavoidable physics" but you're not actually EXPLAINING the physics, huh? I just explained the unavoidable physics to you, the rest of it is just the power of suggestion and your confused perceptions of why you swerve left to turn right.
@greg5566 You are confused with what the term 'counter-steer' is, that is all.
Counter-steer is just the force you apply to the handlebars, it doesn't mean the wheel is turning the opposite direction. When turning a right hand corner, the wheel is facing to the right - but you need to apply counter-steer to keep the bike from balancing and going back to a straight line. Counter-Steer is the name of this action, it doesn't mean the wheels is facing left while you go right.
Have you ever even ridden a motorcycle before? If you have a motorcycle then tonight, take your bike out to a circular ramp entrance onto the interstate and accelerate onto it - all the way around the turn. Now notice how you have to apply almost constant forward tension to the inside grip to hold your bike on the turn all the way through the turn. THAT is counter-steering!!!
@dtrrider1 Thank you, yes, I do understand counter-steering. You do too mostly. If you turned the wheels to the right to go right, the momentum of the bike would right it as you said (it would actually tip the bike over to the left if you did it too severely--the weight of the bike would keep going straight, but the wheels would go to the right).
But you're not counter-steering in order to keep the bike from going in a straight line. (cont'd).
@dtrrider1 You're counter-steering for the reason I said: you move the wheels out from under you to the left. This is just a brief swerve, not a constant pressure. By doing that the center of the bike's gravity--which stayed right where it was--is now to the right of the wheels. (you moved the bike's wheels to the left, so the center of gravity is now to the right). As a result, the bike LEANS to the right--it basically starts to "fall over" and turns in that direction as a result.
@dtrrider1 If you think about the vectors, it's easy to see: your bike has a big forward vector in the direction of travel. By shifting the center of gravity to the right of the wheels (by swerving the wheels to the left), the weight of the bike is now pulling perpendicular to the forward movement, to the right. The result is a vector that points forward and slightly to the right: a right turn.
@dtrrider1 The reason I go on about this is I think it is actually confusing to new riders. Riding a bike is actually much more natural than that. By telling them push right to turn right! you imply to a new rider that turning is some complicated, counter-intuitive scary thing. Then when they're going down the road at 30 mph and need to avoid a crash, they might not be acting instinctively. The motorcycle pretty much does what you expect it to do as long as you don't think about it. . . .
@greg5566 actually that is the exact oppsite reason as to why these video's are here.
I've seen new riders take a turn too wide and crash, because they didn't understand how to make the bike turn sharper.Very common with new riders. When you feel your bike heading towards the wrong side of the road, and a bus is approaching your face - you need to fully understand how bikes turn, or you are dead. Simple as that.
@dtrrider1 All that crap about the transition point from "regular" steering to "counter" steering is just silly, dangerous, utter over-thinking. Just imagine a new rider confronting an obstacle. "Shit! Am I going 10 mph, or 15! Do I counter-steer, or regular steer! I don't know!" Just do what comes naturally; lean--by moving the wheels out from under you. Just like the bicycle you've been riding since you were 5.
@greg5566 but the name for it is counter steer. Why is that so complicated? As you say, you've been doing it since you were 5, why not understand what you've been doing?
If that's overcomplicated, then you probably shouldn't be riding a motorbike.
@dtrrider1 The phrase is not accurate. That's all. We could call accelerating "braking" but it might lead to confusion. We can call leaning the bike "turning the other way" but it might lead to confusion. That's all. If ___I___ found it confusing, I would not be here. The fact that others do the swerve without understand what they are doing is exactly what I feel should be changed.
@greg5566 I agree it can be confusing. I was confused when I first read about counter-steer.
Just need to make clear that counter-steer is a force that the rider applies to the handlebars. It isn't related to the direction that the wheel is facing. It just so happens that the wheel does 'counter-steer' when you initiate a turn (if only for a millisecond). During a turn it's only the rider that applies 'counter-steer', the wheels still turn right to go right.
Please see my comments on v=B8IdTq3_3WI for an explanation of how to steer a bike. All this mythology about "counter-steering" just confuses the issue. You're not steering away from where you want to go.
If you want to turn right, lean right. You can't do that by moving your body right (what are you going to push against?). You do that by moving the wheels out from under you to the left, thus causing you to lean right.
your video really helpful lad i live in ireland and from what i see there you have really good weather for biking we only get about 6 months if wer lucky cause always raining but thanks for the tips
Let me ask a question here. Will you usually be able to just normally steer (point the front wheel in the direction you want to go) when making most slow turns onto side streets and stuff like that? Or do you usually end up countersteering to do that? I know it depends on your speed, but I'm just trying to get a general idea of what kinds of turns you would take while steering normally as opposed to countersteering.
Normally all slow turns or turns from a stop will require conventional steering (ie you turn the wheel to the direction you want to go. At cruising speeds you will need to counter-steer.
under 30 kilometres an hour normal steering generally applies. It really is speed relative. As a basic rule I will countersteer unless the motorcycle tells me to do otherwise. You know when its switched over because as you turn the bike the handlebars will turn toward the corner when you lean that way opposed to needing a push from the opposite hand.
Just listen to your bike and let the intuition and automatic processes take over and guide you. Don't overthink it ;-)
Please try to be civil when posting responses to my videos. That goes to other youtube users as well. Failure to comply will mean I will delete your negative statements.
In Spain we don't have traffic lights that go by weight -that I know of-, but also bikers are generally allowed to push forward to the front of the cue in a traffic light. As a matter of fact there are spaces provided for motorbikes to stop ahead of the rest of traffic without stepping on the pedestrian crossing. Maybe you could try that so you are not late to work, despite going on motorbike...
at 2:57 your steering wheel was turned to the right and you went right,
what i dont get is say you were gonna turn to the right would you turn to the handlebars left then turn to them right immediately after turning them to the left? or would you turn the handle bars to the left and hold the handle bars to the left to turn right?
Anavengertg has it right, you are using your front wheel to setup the lean angle for the bike (which causes a turn).
You absolutely can not lean a bike enough at high speeds by shifting your body. Momentum/gyroscopic effect will defeat it. This is why stunt people do stand up and saddle tricks on bikes going over 20mph, the bike wont fall over. Most people think they are directly steering at low speeds, but are counter steering at the beginning of the turn.
When you steer one way; the bike leans the other way forcing the bike to turn the other way. Naturally this only works when you're only goes faster than a certain speed. When you're going fast, you can only turn the wheel a tine bit before the bike leans.
very well explained. this is my first season ridin and i just bought a cbr600rr. i understood the countersteer but u made the concept understandable. just a teaser b4 i take this cycle course i have planned. maybe a video on good riding position. i hear buddies talkin bout most there weight is beared on there legs. i may need an adjustment. i think i lean and put weight on my bars. any advice to find the ideal stop? ride safe. thanks
Emt356747 1 week ago
where do you work?
sageosaka 1 week ago
so if you wanna go right, turn your wheel to the left and lean right? auuughh!!!
HotMom5610 1 month ago
wht's that rattling noise at low speeds?
2point0L 1 month ago
It's a point I think that bears mentioning, but technically, you ALWAYS countersteer to get the bike to lean, even at slow speeds. The initial counter steer motion is very brief at low speeds, but it still occurs. There's a couple of videos on YouTube demonstrating this for those who don't want to get too deeply into the physics involved.
opmike343 3 months ago
Nice one. I also did a countersteering video. Not easy to explain is it? What speed are you doing by the way?
RoadcraftNottingham 3 months ago
by the way u crack me up dude hey check out my facebook if u want in startin a motorcycle awareness program jus look up (southwest arkansas motorcylce awareness)
Standridge15 4 months ago
i like ur rebel i have an 08
Standridge15 4 months ago
"Put my blinker on..............this guy's gonna mess my entrance up"
LOL!
donlon77 4 months ago
Countersteering is how you initiate the lean that turns your bike. Your wheels are crucial gyroscopes that keep you upright. Push one of your gyroscopes left or right and it leans the two gyroscopes together. It's called precession. The bike only needs input to the bars to ride; you are just cargo. Servos could operate an unmanned motorcycle effectively.
christohansen 5 months ago
just cause told us not too, you should get magnets on your bike :P
22drumatic 5 months ago 2
so when at speeds when counter steering is in effect do you push right to go right and also aim the front tire to the right or just lean?
deerman1212 5 months ago
so what would happen if you just steer to the left to go left?
deerman1212 5 months ago
@eamonhoffman Again, counter steering is an evasive maneuver.
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Has anyone not ridden a bicycle with no hands? How do you steer when doing so? With your hips.
JFizoust 5 months ago
towards the end it looked the same a counter steering. I didn't see a difference
silentman1547964 5 months ago
i love this video! u r amazing i want a bike now i love your voice also!
buroburo9 6 months ago
wow i've been counter steering without realizing the name
XB0XFR34K 7 months ago
Been looking at ABATE (Indiana Motorcycle Education Classes) they're only $75!! Think I might sign up soon.
sondlar 7 months ago
Nice vid. Glad they finally got that construction on Bobby Jones done lol. The ramps were worth it..I guess
WhatsAYootoob 8 months ago
Left your blinker on for a while there.
SeatherMarqx 9 months ago
You're still countersteering the bike at slower speeds, you're not experienced enough to feel or know it.
cenzano38 9 months ago
Do you suppose I could fill up ever two weeks or longer if I drive 55 every week back and forth to work? I think my commute is 60 something miles from home to work and back mon thru fri
Sauron767 10 months ago
Are you pushing Down on the handle bars or pushing forward on them to do that?
1ultraquick 10 months ago
@1ultraquick You push forward, not down. It's a very gentle push to start the bike leaning. Also, you want to use the fuel tank to hold yourself on the bike, not the bars. You don't want to add unintentional steering input to the bars.
cheezgrated 10 months ago
@1ultraquick
You push forward on the handlebars.
Harry
HJC1950 6 months ago
you learn counterstearing while riding a bicycle
DeCreiziMatafoquer 11 months ago
if you practice "wax on wax off" you will be able to countersteer hehe
FightTheSystem1492 11 months ago
@motorolaq9m To go right you don't push right for the whole turn but just briefly and gently until the bike leans. It's good for getting the lean on quickly.
PaKdlunch 11 months ago
so do you keep the push right to go right throughout the WHOLE turn and push left to balance it straight again? or do you push right to go right to get it to lean THEN turn right like you normally would under 10 miles an hour?
motorolaq9m 1 year ago
Is the right turn blinker on when you're waiting for your left hand turn? Counter-signaling? Counter-steering....seems counter-intuitive, but hey, that's the way it works. Thanks for the vid.
gustavklimpt 1 year ago
Good video! Just touching the handlebar with one finger let's you really get a good look at countersteering. Don't worry if you don't understand completely, it will come natural when you gain experience. I never even thought about it until a friend just mentioned it, so I YouTube it and... bah! Great explination!
supdmustang 1 year ago
very good video....
harley6000 1 year ago
What if you're going like 40ish and the turn is kinda sharp but really long so do you still use counter-steering? I'm guessing you have no choice but to use it. Someone with info would be great! PM me if anything
ibanezgrx222 1 year ago
@ibanezgrx222 No, counter-steering is primarily to evade objects in the road. For regular turns you would just lean, like on a bicycle.
JFizoust 11 months ago
@JFizoust
No, sorry, wrong. You missed the whole point of the video. On a motorcycle, you do all your steering by countersteering rather than leaning. It is much quicker and more precise. Only at slow speeds do you steer by aiming the front wheel with the handlebars.
Harry
HJC1950 6 months ago
@HJC1950 Where in my comment did I say anything about steering with the handle bars? Your pulling apples from oranges here boss. And yes, it is to evade objects on the road. You could use it for every lane switch I guess, but it is an evasive tactic."Steering" the direction of the bike is done in the hips. If you disagree you should have all the MSF courses re-written.
JFizoust 6 months ago
is this NJ?
ZeroDragondelta9 1 year ago
Dude when you pointed out the "Cop Spot" @ 9:31 I was thinking that looks like the spot on 20 I creep past in the morning going to work, coming from Grovetown. Then I saw the rest of the video :-)
Dang000 1 year ago
when you say push right to go right. do you mean push as in turn the handle bars to the right to go right? or push right in a downward motion towards the ground to go right?
schinkengermany 1 year ago
@schinkengermany what he means by push right is, press the handle bar in the direction you want, steering int he opposite direction - hence the name counter steering
jetsandmets93 1 year ago
@schinkengermany you push forward in the direction you want to go. Just like he showed when you push right the bike goes right and left for left. What nobody seems to realize is when you lean you're acting on the handlebars and don't realize it. You can use this technique to fight crosswinds, too. I lean it into the wind by pushing on the bars and it helps with the buffeting in a crosswind. On my bike the changeover in direction is around 18 mph wiht a fat 16" front tire.
roadstarman58 1 year ago
@schinkengermany
Push forward, parallel to the ground, in the direction you want to go
Precisionstonemaul 1 year ago
9 minutes I didn't see one corner on this highway. this video is obsolete in America...
kembooo000 1 year ago
Who the he!! cares about the road construction is this a tutrial on the motorcycle or on the cities history
eightbal233 1 year ago
This is not what counter-steering is about and you drive way to fast where they work on the road! Counter-steer is unbalancing the bike so you go into a bend of the road better, like bicycle riding. Are you just pushing the handlebar? I advice to lean with the bike instead of keeping the body most upright, where the bike may want to go its own way. Counter-steering allows speeding those slow turns up a little. At those high speeds the steer is blocked by the centrifugal and gyroscopic torque...
AlfredMoi 1 year ago
wow....4get about counter-steering...thats some hardcore high speed riding..!!!
THATS IT !!! I AM GETTING A BIKE !!!!
ixy1987 1 year ago 33
How long have you been riding?
ellimem 1 year ago
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getting presure plate at stop to pick up light motorcycles: I found if you pull up to the pad and smash the back break , it will feel the presure and work!
ksdad2two 1 year ago
Great video. It clearly shows counter steering at high speed.
AvidMovieMan 1 year ago
fantastic, ur the man ! it might save my life this vid , cheers
fylde456 1 year ago
2:48 Does the Georgia "Click it or Ticket" sign apply to you?
GooseThunderfoot 1 year ago
I also speak from personal experience, I've had a few close calls where I was taking a corner too wide, but didn't really understand how to make it turn sharper - when you are heading towards a tree or oncomming traffic, you panic.
I'm a much better rider now that I fully understand how bikes steer.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
If you are going round a corner, and the corner tightens up - you need to apply more counter-steer to make the bike lean and turn sharper. When you apply this extra counter-steer, the wheels do not face the opposite direction.
Keep reading this until it sinks in and all will be clear :
- Counter-steer describes a force applied to the handlebar, not the direction of the wheel.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
To clarify, counter-steer is the force you apply to the handlebar, it has nothing to do with the direction that the wheel is facing.
But, the wheel does face the opposite direction for a split second as you start the turn. During the turn, the counter-steer you apply doesn't mean the wheel turn in the opposite direction anymore, it just stops the wheel turning too much which would make the bike go back upright, and in a straight line.
It's a force you apply, not the direction of the wheel.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
this explains why the bike in racing on real hard corners at speed has the wheel pointing away from the turn. have to treat it like a pendulum, hence why racing bikes have you sit high to extend that inertia from the weight of the rider to pull the bike through turns much quicker.
i'm just thinking aloud here, i never really road a motorcycle much. i ride mountain bike all the time and the countersteering isn't really an issue due to much less weight and less than 20+ mph usually.
Thrashaero 1 year ago
CaneFu is 100% correct. Moto GP race drivers have to use an incredible amount of counter-steer through a corner to keep the bike leaned over and turning. If they stopped applying counter steer, the bike would lean up-right and go in a straight line. The faster and heavier the bike, the harder you have to counter-steer.
The wheel is actually turned into the corner, counter steer is just the force you apply in the opposite direction to stop the wheel going in a straight line.
High school physics
dtrrider1 1 year ago
Just want to comment that watching this video was one of the things that inspired me to go for my driving license. Now, 2 years later, I'm riding my Moto Guzzi and loving every moment of it!
tomwulf 1 year ago
Thanks for the demo. This has helped me understand the why's and hopefully I won't have such a death grip on the bars as I'm going down the interstate.
scharleygrl 1 year ago
Countersteering works for a bicycle too I was checking it a few days ago. And one more thing - you say that the traffic lights won't turn green when there are no cars on the lane? I have same problem in Poland with some intersections when I ride my bicycle. On some of them motorcyclists also have the problem, so if their heavy machines can't activate the traffic lights then I don't think I have any chance on my 15kg-weight bicycle. I heard about the magnets but I don't think this will work...
TheDarthBiker 1 year ago
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thanks a lot :D
stigemann1 1 year ago
driving a motobike is way way fun and better than driving a car
PSTRIPPLEE 1 year ago
Hopefully they fixed your light.
PublicWifi 1 year ago
i do it on my bike but i dont pay attention lol
benpie12 1 year ago
like the bike... im 18 from scotland. I bought a cruiser style bike and i love it. this is the best vid ive seen for this.
5556665012008 1 year ago
great video, had no idea about this, but lookin at gettin a bike soon, ridden bicycles and pocket rockets before past like 35mph, just never realized it. Thanks for this vid, very helpful
557BBFprocharged 1 year ago
Good video. thanks for the effort well done
omarkhamis2008 1 year ago
can't you just gorrila the handlebars where you want it to go? like a bicycle?
TheThingamajig 1 year ago
@TheThingamajig No, centrifugal force will sent you to hell if you do like this... when you lean the bike a lil bit like in CS, you balance against the centrifugal force...
marcoshbrj 1 year ago
I am looking to get a bike next year. It will be my first one so I am trying to absorb as much information that I can. This was an excellent video on showing countersteering. Well Done!
qwerty48324 1 year ago 7
Hi, now when you say pushing, you mean pulling rite??
redneck500 1 year ago
@redneck500 It really is pushing mate. Go out and try it - it revolutionised my riding when I became aware of it.
hapandleonard1 1 year ago
@hapandleonard1 but im scarred i cant get the bike out of first gear LOL :D
redneck500 1 year ago
@redneck500 just push your steer slightly use your feeling.push right mean turn right push left mean turn left.Only push no pull.all racer do this mate.use this technique when your speed above 8mph.
lampion333 1 year ago
@lampion333 ok thanks. Thats kinda what i thought. I bought a 1500 cc vulcan, and I have no idea how to really ride it and i dont wanna get killed LOL thanks.
redneck500 1 year ago
Great explanation .
terence20001 1 year ago
Great video. Thanks buddy. Be safe.
ed4564 1 year ago
where are you riding in?? (city and state) im just curious :)
MrProathlete 1 year ago
where are you riding in?? (city and state) im just curious :)
MrProathlete 1 year ago
i like how you left your right turn blinker on in the left hand turn lane, just thought i point that out.
shoop32 1 year ago
Hey Shoop, Don't know about the rebel he is on, but my bike only has one light to indicate that one of the blinkers is on. Not on for the left and one for the right.
chaostar227 1 year ago
It's not that your wheel is pointing in the opposite direction through the turn, just the moment before you lean.
eltotoX 1 year ago
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yeah your right...people just need to learn how to ride a bike... i guess they think if u turn to the right its gona fall over to the left. pushin up left on the left handel bar is the same as kinda turnin the handle bars left and leanin with it
mufflerbearin 1 year ago
I didn't know i was using countersteering until i first time read this explained about a year ago :). Till that just used it automatically when needed fast turn :)
77Yatagan 1 year ago
Is that a Rebel your riding?
emenentia 1 year ago
I dont know why so many people go on about counter steering. Just push down on the right and lift up on the left with the other hand to steer right and vise versa when you want to turn left. Leaning in combo with this helps.
simon44 2 years ago
is this in NC
DSNCB919 2 years ago
nice vid ^_^ push right go right
push left go left just got my bike kawasaki ninja 250r
Kureigu666 2 years ago
this is just leaning according to me.
push left to go left is leaning.
turn/push a bit right and push left to go left is countersteering.
granrey 2 years ago
late for work?
8TBALL 2 years ago
the word 'counter' in countersteering is just stupid as hell. Believe me it's very simple, you'll notice by urself what the bike wants to go in the direction u want it.
The diffrence btween 10mph and say 50, is that at 10' you really bend ur steer out. (like when not driving, for left just pull the left). But on 50, u have to LEAN on the left side, and the bike will slowly (like vid says, it takes 1 or 2 seconds) go in left direction. Just don't call it countersteering, its confusing for people
rf900rs2biker 2 years ago
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mufflerbearin 1 year ago
to the left i meant
mufflerbearin 1 year ago
The problem with telling people to "counter-steer" is they start wondering things like "do I need to counter steer all the way around the turn?" NO. That's not what you're doing. All you're doing is _starting_ your bike's lean by moving the wheels out from under you. Turn by LEANING. How? Move the wheels out from under you.
greg5566 2 years ago
@greg5566 Actually, YES you do need to counter-steer all the way around many turns as I have done it. It depends on the turn, the speed you are traveling, and how you balance it out with the throttle. I usually counter-steer all the way around entrance ramps to the interstate while accelerating.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu Actually no, but I guess as long as whatever you think you're doing gets you around the corner, then it's fine.
All you're doing on a bike is balancing, same as you would a broom stick on your palm. If you fall too far one way, you steer the other way. You're doing this constantly on your motorcycle, it's just so subtle you don't realize it, same around corners, you make small adjustments. But you're not counter-steering, you're just balancing.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 Actually YES, after 2 decades of riding I know EXACTLY what I am doing and you shouldn't try to tell me otherwise. Through certain types of turns and at certain speeds while accelerating I am definitely without a doubt counter-steering through the entire turn. As I accelerate it causes me to constantly lean the bike more and more to maintain balance. I have experienced this many times so don't tell me that I haven't.
CaneFu 1 year ago
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@CaneFu I'm not try to tell you what you think you're experiencing; I'm just telling you how motorcycles work. I'm talking physics, you're talking your perception.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 To further clarify this point I am forced to maintain forward pressure on the hand-grip (counter-steering) through the entire turn as I accelerate uphill on the interstate ramp. As long as I don't let off the throttle, I am FORCED to keep pushing forward on that hand-grip to maintain balance. It IS counter-steering through the entire turn.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu Of course you have to turn out more as you accelerate. As you accelerate, if you didn't, your additional speed would push you out on the turn. You need to get your wheels farther out from under you to lean the bike more to compensate for the additional centrifugal force. What you're describing is exactly what I described, just in a corner not from a straight line. Obviously constantly accelerating is a different situation. . . .
greg5566 1 year ago
@CaneFu You're not CONSTANTLY counter-steering at all, you're counter steering a little bit at a time as you accelerate, exactly as I said. It's when you change your speed and so on that you need to lean the bike more. You're not counter steering around the corner, you're counter steering to compensate for the acceleration.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 And that forward pressure that I am forced to maintain on the hand-grip through these particular turns while accelerating is on the INSIDE hand-grip and that IS counter-steering.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu Again counter-steering is a myth. What you are doing is moving the wheels in the opposite direction, to get the bike to lean in the direction you want it to go. It's all about balance, it has nothing to do with steering "against" the turn. That doesn't exist.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 If you don't understand this concept then I found a reference for you to read on the daytonamotorcycletraining website....
"high speed turns may require counter steering throughout the turn"
Honestly, you shouldn't pretend to be an expert if you don't understand this principle and post half-truths because someone who reads your advice might get killed as a result of you misleading them. Sometimes higher speed turns DO require counter steering throughout the entire turn.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu Counter-steering is one of the biggest myths I've ever seen, certainly about motorcycles at least. It's a bunch of people with no understanding of physics trying to explain something they don't understand. I'm just explaining to you how physics works, I'm not pretending to be an expert at anything. If people understood what was actually going on that would be FAR less dangerous than this ridiculous myth that you have to continually turn against the turn. It's silly and not true.
greg5566 1 year ago
@CaneFu "sometimes" means when you're accelerating--obviously: you're changing your centrifugal force, you need to change the bike's center of gravity to compensate for it. It's just physics, it's not some mystical behavior of bikes that no one can explain.
greg5566 1 year ago
@CaneFu The website you sent me to agrees precisely with what I said. Counter-steering is not something you do through a turn. The leaning bike is what turns you. Counter-steering is: "(the front wheel briefly points in the opposite direction of turn)." That is, BRIEFLY. Exactly what I said. When you're accelerating, you basically require a constant, continuous additional brief outside steer. You are mistaking that for one continuous counter-steer.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566
Why all these repetitive posts from you? Counter-steering is NOT a myth - try turning your motorcycle at high speed without doing it! It is the only way to get your motorcycle to lean around a turn. Of course it is a series of adjustments around a turn but you are still counter-steering to make those adjustments. I never said there was anything mystical about it - IT IS JUST SIMPLE AND UNAVOIDABLE PHYSICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu You either aren't reading what I have explained, or you don't understand it. I'll say it again (I am repetitive because you are dense).
Balancing a bike is like balancing a broom stick on your palm, you move your palm under the stick to keep it balanced. On your bike, as you are riding you move the wheels back and forth under you to keep it balanced. You aren't aware of it, but that is what bike riding is. . . .
greg5566 1 year ago
@CaneFu To turn a bike, you move it's center of gravity to the side of the wheels. (to the right to turn right, e.g.) You cannot LEAN to the right because the bike weighs too much and you don't have anything to push against. So what you do to move the center of gravity to the right with respect to the wheels is you move the wheels TO THE LEFT. If you just steer the wheels a little to the left, the weight of the bike stays where it is . . .
greg5566 1 year ago
@CaneFu and voila, the center of gravity is now to the right of the wheels, and the bike leans to the right, pulling it to the right. You simply lean to the right by moving the wheels to the left. That's all. But "countersteering" is not a constant motion, it's just a little swerve to get the lean started.
The reason the word "counter-steering" is misleading is that it implies that to turn right you need to turn the wheels to the left. . . .
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 No one thinks the word counter-steer means the wheels are turning the opposite direction. It's just the word used to describe the action the rider has to take to maintain the turn.
MotoGP Riders have to constantly apply incredible amounts of counter-steer while going around a corner at a constant speed, because the weight of the bike and the speed they are travelling will make the bike go back upright if you let go of the handlebar. The wheel is still facing into the corner.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 I think, but I'm not sure about this, that that is because when a bike is leaning, the front wheel has a natural tendency to turn in the direction of the lean. That is, if you stand behind your bike and lean it slowly to the right, I'm pretty sure the front fork will turn in that direction as well. What the MotoGP riders are doing is keeping the wheel from turning too much to the right. (Again, that is just a guess, I'm not 100% sure about it.)
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 That is exactly correct. If a motogp rider took his hands off the handlebar, the wheel's would turn too far into the turn, and make the bike go upright and in a straight line.
They need to constantly apply force in the opposite direction to keep the wheel from turning too far.
This force, is called counter-steer.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 That's really interesting. It's also fascinating to me how complex the physics are of such a seemingly simple thing. It's difficult to fathom that when you are turning at 100 mph with the bike leaned at an 80 degree angle what you're really doing is BALANCING the gravity pulling downward and the centrifugal force pulling outward.
greg5566 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 So okay, if, as you say, countersteering refers to the pressure necessary to keep the fork from turning inward too far, then a vast number of motorcyclists do in fact, as I suspected, misunderstand the concept and the point. (And you were right in the beginning when you said I just don't understand what the word refers to.) My understanding of the _word_ is the _common_ understanding of the word, and I think that you correctly understand it is something completely different.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 You are correct on all points. It's very common for people to misunderstand, as I myself did when I first started riding.
But I guess the main thing is they understand push right to go right, it might save their life oneday =)
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@greg5566 Glad to see the light bulb finally lit up - no hard feelings.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu TMML
greg5566 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 But every video I've watched on youtube explains countersteering as the way to START a turn on a bike. That's completely different from the force necessary to keep the fork from turning in too far.
Okay! I think we've beaten this dead horse thoroughly. You've taught me something! Basically, there is the REAL meaning of counter-steer, and the conventional amateur meaning of the word. I am correct that the amateur meaning is _wrong_, but there is a correct use of the term as well.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 I agree. All the video's showing how to initiate a turn at slow speeds are misleading. They are done to emphasise how counter-steer works, because at slow speeds and initiating a turn, is the only time we can physically see counter-steering at work.
It leads to people believing that the wheel always turns left to go right. Which is wrong.
When you watch a motorbike at high speeds, the wheel always looks as if it's going in a straight line, so it's very hard to show counter-steering.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 But now we're talking about three different situations, each with its own dynamics. (1) making a straight-traveling bike turn, (2) accelerating around a corner, and (3) turning at a constant speed when the bike is almost on its side. Those are three not-the-same things. The point each time (my point at least) is don't think about counter-steering, just do what comes naturally. Press if you want, sure, but feel it, don't do it mechanically.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 motorbikes naturally want to go in a straight line. A rider of a hyabusa died of hypothermia while being chased by police on a german autobarn (straight road). The bike travelled for miles with a dead rider.
The faster you go, the heavier your bike, the more it will remain upright. Therefore the amount of counter-force you apply is greater.
Which is why I use the example of motogp riders going 150 mph on a heavy bike.
Stop counter-steering those and you go in a straight line.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@CaneFu But you're not "steering" to the left, it's just a small SWERVE left to get the wheels to the left of the center of gravity, then the bike leans right. It's very simple. All this bullshit about counter-steering is in your head. You're saying it's "unavoidable physics" but you're not actually EXPLAINING the physics, huh? I just explained the unavoidable physics to you, the rest of it is just the power of suggestion and your confused perceptions of why you swerve left to turn right.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 You are confused with what the term 'counter-steer' is, that is all.
Counter-steer is just the force you apply to the handlebars, it doesn't mean the wheel is turning the opposite direction. When turning a right hand corner, the wheel is facing to the right - but you need to apply counter-steer to keep the bike from balancing and going back to a straight line. Counter-Steer is the name of this action, it doesn't mean the wheels is facing left while you go right.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@greg5566
Have you ever even ridden a motorcycle before? If you have a motorcycle then tonight, take your bike out to a circular ramp entrance onto the interstate and accelerate onto it - all the way around the turn. Now notice how you have to apply almost constant forward tension to the inside grip to hold your bike on the turn all the way through the turn. THAT is counter-steering!!!
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu He fully understands counter-steering, but he's just misunderstanding the description.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 Thank you, yes, I do understand counter-steering. You do too mostly. If you turned the wheels to the right to go right, the momentum of the bike would right it as you said (it would actually tip the bike over to the left if you did it too severely--the weight of the bike would keep going straight, but the wheels would go to the right).
But you're not counter-steering in order to keep the bike from going in a straight line. (cont'd).
greg5566 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 You're counter-steering for the reason I said: you move the wheels out from under you to the left. This is just a brief swerve, not a constant pressure. By doing that the center of the bike's gravity--which stayed right where it was--is now to the right of the wheels. (you moved the bike's wheels to the left, so the center of gravity is now to the right). As a result, the bike LEANS to the right--it basically starts to "fall over" and turns in that direction as a result.
greg5566 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 If you think about the vectors, it's easy to see: your bike has a big forward vector in the direction of travel. By shifting the center of gravity to the right of the wheels (by swerving the wheels to the left), the weight of the bike is now pulling perpendicular to the forward movement, to the right. The result is a vector that points forward and slightly to the right: a right turn.
greg5566 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 The reason I go on about this is I think it is actually confusing to new riders. Riding a bike is actually much more natural than that. By telling them push right to turn right! you imply to a new rider that turning is some complicated, counter-intuitive scary thing. Then when they're going down the road at 30 mph and need to avoid a crash, they might not be acting instinctively. The motorcycle pretty much does what you expect it to do as long as you don't think about it. . . .
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 actually that is the exact oppsite reason as to why these video's are here.
I've seen new riders take a turn too wide and crash, because they didn't understand how to make the bike turn sharper.Very common with new riders. When you feel your bike heading towards the wrong side of the road, and a bus is approaching your face - you need to fully understand how bikes turn, or you are dead. Simple as that.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 Yeah, that makes sense. I understand that.
greg5566 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 All that crap about the transition point from "regular" steering to "counter" steering is just silly, dangerous, utter over-thinking. Just imagine a new rider confronting an obstacle. "Shit! Am I going 10 mph, or 15! Do I counter-steer, or regular steer! I don't know!" Just do what comes naturally; lean--by moving the wheels out from under you. Just like the bicycle you've been riding since you were 5.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 but the name for it is counter steer. Why is that so complicated? As you say, you've been doing it since you were 5, why not understand what you've been doing?
If that's overcomplicated, then you probably shouldn't be riding a motorbike.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
@dtrrider1 The phrase is not accurate. That's all. We could call accelerating "braking" but it might lead to confusion. We can call leaning the bike "turning the other way" but it might lead to confusion. That's all. If ___I___ found it confusing, I would not be here. The fact that others do the swerve without understand what they are doing is exactly what I feel should be changed.
greg5566 1 year ago
@greg5566 I agree it can be confusing. I was confused when I first read about counter-steer.
Just need to make clear that counter-steer is a force that the rider applies to the handlebars. It isn't related to the direction that the wheel is facing. It just so happens that the wheel does 'counter-steer' when you initiate a turn (if only for a millisecond). During a turn it's only the rider that applies 'counter-steer', the wheels still turn right to go right.
dtrrider1 1 year ago
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CaneFu 1 year ago
Please see my comments on v=B8IdTq3_3WI for an explanation of how to steer a bike. All this mythology about "counter-steering" just confuses the issue. You're not steering away from where you want to go.
If you want to turn right, lean right. You can't do that by moving your body right (what are you going to push against?). You do that by moving the wheels out from under you to the left, thus causing you to lean right.
All this is about BALANCE nothing more.
greg5566 2 years ago
haha, "i'm just pointing where I wanna go, and that's where I'm going, do de do de do!"
kirkula 2 years ago
Does your bike right itself when you release pressure on the grip, or do you have to press in the opposite direction?
John234pwns 2 years ago
Great vid! Very natural, great examples... thanks for taking your valuable time to help us all out on how to countersteer..... God Bless... GK
gkiapos 2 years ago
your video really helpful lad i live in ireland and from what i see there you have really good weather for biking we only get about 6 months if wer lucky cause always raining but thanks for the tips
utterlycutterly 2 years ago
i dont get it, push downwards on the handle or push forward horizontally on the handle?
jasonKUN00 2 years ago
Push forward horizontally on the handle.
SMSBJM1981 2 years ago
first you take the MSF course and it will come to you
stiehler1117 2 years ago
its gay, i get to get to get my mc license but i don't get to a mc till i'm 17, i'm 15 now...ugh
bananabrian121 2 years ago
Let me ask a question here. Will you usually be able to just normally steer (point the front wheel in the direction you want to go) when making most slow turns onto side streets and stuff like that? Or do you usually end up countersteering to do that? I know it depends on your speed, but I'm just trying to get a general idea of what kinds of turns you would take while steering normally as opposed to countersteering.
tjv189 2 years ago
Normally all slow turns or turns from a stop will require conventional steering (ie you turn the wheel to the direction you want to go. At cruising speeds you will need to counter-steer.
SMSBJM1981 2 years ago
under 30 kilometres an hour normal steering generally applies. It really is speed relative. As a basic rule I will countersteer unless the motorcycle tells me to do otherwise. You know when its switched over because as you turn the bike the handlebars will turn toward the corner when you lean that way opposed to needing a push from the opposite hand.
Just listen to your bike and let the intuition and automatic processes take over and guide you. Don't overthink it ;-)
not4resale 2 years ago
Great video!
I took the MSF Course and this was still pretty informative.
krymsonwulf 2 years ago
well probably the best explanation and video so far
thepeople72 2 years ago
Very helpful explanation of counter steering here. Thank you very much, and keep up the good work!
tjv189 2 years ago
Cool video, thanks :)
You left your indicator on ;)
lbennyn 2 years ago
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Skel3tor1 2 years ago
In Spain we don't have traffic lights that go by weight -that I know of-, but also bikers are generally allowed to push forward to the front of the cue in a traffic light. As a matter of fact there are spaces provided for motorbikes to stop ahead of the rest of traffic without stepping on the pedestrian crossing. Maybe you could try that so you are not late to work, despite going on motorbike...
juncedan 2 years ago
at 2:57 your steering wheel was turned to the right and you went right,
what i dont get is say you were gonna turn to the right would you turn to the handlebars left then turn to them right immediately after turning them to the left? or would you turn the handle bars to the left and hold the handle bars to the left to turn right?
please reply
xxxHARDxDRIVExxx 2 years ago
heres a question, what would be a good starting motercycle for someone thats just starting out?
willwilhite1 2 years ago
Anavengertg has it right, you are using your front wheel to setup the lean angle for the bike (which causes a turn).
You absolutely can not lean a bike enough at high speeds by shifting your body. Momentum/gyroscopic effect will defeat it. This is why stunt people do stand up and saddle tricks on bikes going over 20mph, the bike wont fall over. Most people think they are directly steering at low speeds, but are counter steering at the beginning of the turn.
0lord0kinbote0 2 years ago
what was that magnet and weight thing you was on about near the end , ive never heard of it , might be because i live in england
freaza39 2 years ago
i still dont understand how it works, how does the bike turn the opposite way of the front wheel? :S
lentilsouper 2 years ago
When you steer one way; the bike leans the other way forcing the bike to turn the other way. Naturally this only works when you're only goes faster than a certain speed. When you're going fast, you can only turn the wheel a tine bit before the bike leans.
Anavengertg 2 years ago
i dont think u actually turn the wheel u just push down on the handlebars
lenndawg 2 years ago
what way do you lean when you countersteer.....
filwitanf 2 years ago
u move in which way ur going, if ur going left u lean left,.
RawrMaulified 2 years ago
In the direction you want to go.
FrenchFriedPoop 2 years ago
For some reason, I find it easier to understand counter steering when the rider is going at higher speeds, not sure why though.
TheKnightsShield 2 years ago
Thanks for this explanation, dude.
Regards from Brazil.
iunesd 2 years ago
Awesome video. Thanks!
zmackey0 2 years ago