@wubabooya maybe spelled wrong...........like a starter silinoid .........wire wrapped around a metal rod and when turn on the voltage the rod will pull one way and a spring returns the rod when no voltage is applied
any chance you can link it to a gas handle og speeder or some sort of varible connecter/disconnecter, preset for a minimun of amount injected material?
Any chance you can send info on the system - i might be able to use it in my hho engine experiment? so we can ride for free, and hopefully power to kick it sideways __ wruumm wrruuuuumm
Great Idea- I'll work on a video of the cut open fuel injector. Also- thank you for the insight about how to control the open and closed, fuel injector duration. Note: part of the fuel injector which stops the plunger in the open position, was completely resistant to being cut. I burn up 8 Dremel cutting wheels and didn't make a scratch in it.
Are you aware of a device(electronic) that would allow me to lengthen or shorten the duration of the fuel injectors being open? Thank you for all of your help :)
you will need to trigger the injector, simplist way is a magnetic trigger
if you want more on time, use a wider magnet
faster rpm will mean shorter ontime though, you will need some kind of electronic circuit as a timing device, this will be a little complicated, but very possible
I purchase a used fuel injector from a 1993 Toyota Camery. The fuel injector only cost six dollars at the local auto wrecking yard. I cut the fuel injector down center, on each side of the injector, from top to bottom. I learn that the plunger is made of a very strong steal, and all of the parts that the fuel comes into contact with- is of a very strong steal- or metal material. This is good :) I also may need to find a way to adjust the duration of the injectors being open- for the fuel vapors.
I was just thinking- thousands of people are running the GEET Fuel Processor design, which basically runs any gasoline powered engine on the gasoline(or various fuel mixture) vapors only. No liquid enters the cylinders of any engine with the GEET fuel system. And I've not heard nor read of any engine damage. In fact- the engine runs much cooler with GEET.
One of the challenges with completely vaporizing gasoline with heat- is the boiling point of any given liquid(ie Gasoline) goes up- with increased pressure. All elements in gasoline vaporize at 400 Degrees Fahrenheit, at sea level(Altitude) at which atmospheric pressure is approximately 14psi.
I drive two cars, the 2000 Honda Insight with just over 324,000 miles on the engine(still runs like new) is my experimental project car. It is with this car I will test the different mpg of liquid vs 100% vaporized gasoline. I'll keep a close eye on the spark plugs condition when running pure vaporized gasoline. Thank you for your insight :-)
I see that natural has a much higher octane(130) and vastly different burn rate, compared to gasoline. My 2000 Honda Insight 3cylinder Lean Burn(25/1)VTEC engine may handle the vapor state of gasoline. I'm not running CNG, but vaporized Petrol. I will try various psi with a regulator. Thank you for the insight.
Continued: Yes- I like the idea of buying a fuel injector from the wrecking yard- and taking it apart and see if all materials are metal(inside). I notice the exhaust pipe near the head reads 350 F. When hot. I plan to wrap this area with high temp insulation to hopefully retain the additional 50 Degrees F. Note: Low fuel pressure 1psi? is also essential to achieve 100% vapor.
Continued: Thank you for your response :-) I'm doing extensive research before I begin the application of my project to my car. I'm also considering running the 100% vaporized gasoline through a cooler(maybe use a small transmission cooler which looks like a miniature radiator), to cool the vapor in order that I may not overheat the fuel injector plunger. Though if the stock injectors fail from this test- I may upgrade to CNG injectors. Thank you for writing :-)
Continued: One of the more simple design ideas I would like to try is wrapping a copper fuel line many feet- around the exhaust near the head- heating the fuel to a minimum of 400 degrees Fahrenheit. This fuel line will have a regulator reducing pressure to approximately 1psi. If the fuel injector can tolerate this high temp, mpg may improve.
@150MilesPerGallon my truck is factory carborated and has a water line through the carb....this heats the gasoline to 200 degrees
1986 4x4 2.6 L and gets 28mpg
carefull you dont melt your pistons from not having liquid fuel on them
most gasoline engines are designed for some liquid fuel
if you had an engine designed for natural gas or propane......the engine is a little different than a gasoline engine....then you could run gasoline vapor with no problem
Hi- it's mindthoughts1974, I start a new Chanel to focus on the gasoline vaporization project I'm working on- and to share my journey here on you tube. Question for you- can stock fuel injectors handle hot vaporized gasoline? Or would the plunger inside the fuel injector fail from 400F degree heated fuel? Is the fuel injector plunger metal?
@irondmax From what I've read- gasoline autoignites at 536 F. Many additives in gasoline that seem to resist vaporization- thus 400 degree minimum for 100% vaporization. I searched Fractional Distilation Of Crude Oil which shows gasoline vaporizing at 302 degrees F, though I believe many additives are added thereafter. I look up CNG Conversions which notes the same engine, heads and valves. All engine internals are stated as being the same. I'll further research the fuel injector build materials
@150MilesPerGallon i was in china for a year...........many CNG conversions there.......they all said the engine will only live a few years on CNG.......its because the engine was not designed for it.........not enough oil at the piston and seals wear out
I was recently reading an MIT study which stated that high voltage applied to the liquid fuel in a modified fuel injector- allowed the liquid gasoline to enter the combustion chamber at an even finner mist- thus a greater surface area of the fuel to be exposed to the oxygen- and thus a more complete burn- more power- more mpg. Ideally- from what I've read and learn- a large portion of gasoline does not burn inside the combustion chamber- and thus wasted gasoline- wasted power- wasted mpg.
@irondmax wow- that's really great mpg you've achieved :) I drive a 2000 Honda Insight- which only weighs 1800 poungs and has a 1 Liter 3cylinder lean burn engine. I'm designing(on paper- then to be applied to the car) a gasoline vaporization system which will allow the engine to run more efficiently. This car also has a very tall gear ratio- it's a five speed stick shift(manual transmission) the engine redlines at just over 6,000 thousand RPM's and I can cruise 65 miles per hour in 3erd gear
@irondmax Continued: This type of transmission(2000 insight)- and the extreme fuel efficiency of burning 100 Percent vaporized gasoline- I may very well see fuel efficiency in the several hundreds of miles per gallon. My goal is 100 miles per gallon- and being that the car already averages a minimum of 60 miles per gallon with the AC on high and driving with the flow of traffic- at any given time- I see no reason this car will not vastly exceed 100mpg once my designs are complete and on the car.
@irondmax Continued: Note: I forgot to mention- in 3erd gear cruising 65 miles per hour on the highway- the tall gear ratio of the 2000 Honda insight I'm driving is only at 3500(three thousand five hundred) RPM's. Note: This stock engines redline is just over 6000 rpm's. This 3cylinder 1 Liter motor is what honda calls their V-Tech E. Basically a high performance small motor- very fuel efficient.
@irondmax The car manufacturers are in bed with the oil / fuel companies they serve each other, it would not go down well with the fuel companies if the auto manufacturers produced engines that got 50 / 100 / 150 miles to the gallon, it would cut there revenue stream of cash flow in proportional percentages.. There in bed together, and fuel savings isn’t on the agenda, three is a crowd…
@irondmax Hi, yes it is true, check out this video for proof of my belief on this matter, and if they would go so far as this 100 yrs ago as to purchase and destroy the tram systems of USA, how far do you think they would go today to maintain and keep there grip.... 29% of cars in USA were electric motors at the turn of the last century... where would they have evolved to by today..!!. have a good one guy and thanks for your comment. check this out {The Last Word on Snake Oil}
Nice job there; I think I understand what it is you are doing with this project Icarus (way cool name there, not sure about the sun reference other than the hydrogen connection). Is it your idea to first create a ionized or vaporized gas or diesel fuel that combines or coalesce with HHO (+ oxygen)? Or are you trying to just use HHO as a fuel source? I would think combining a vaporized liquid with HHO would be a good start in that it might help weigh down the HHO into the chamber, thoughts?
Really like your experiments- keep up the great work- I'm especially interested in Stan Meyers successful work and creations with water as fuel. Please continue to make many videos documenting your experiments.
@dylan3657 working on modifications to my briggs. woking on the timing and ignition circuit fine tuning. getting rid of the waste spark...........stuff like that
A brave one to atomize gas. I would have used water. Found Meyer's patent fully explained. Now I understand the WFC and WFI. I'm starting to look at ionisation of air and water. I plan to build a test unit in the next few weeks. I don't plan on posting anything on the Tube though.
Hi, I've been stalking here for a few days and find your research fascinating. I tried the WFC but was unsucsessful. Great you did it. I'm going to start work on the WFI. Are you going to make your own injector?
@pmlapl1 yes later i want to make my own injector based on meyers work, with the vic transformer around it. for now i will settle for the junk yard parts.....if the engine runs then plenty of work ahead
@davematherly not sure about the whole implosion thing. but yes i think it turns back into water. explodes for sure, to turn the crank.....implodes....i have heard but not seen
@Video85Man in so many words, the injector yes.....timing needs to match the fuel and fuel needs to go down the intake. hydrogen likes to float up.....lots of factors to deal with
thanx :) i didnt see that note of yours :)
wubabooya 1 day ago
ill get my friend to tell me the use - i think he knows.. super cool i got you hooked to my mail, so i wont miss out :)
wubabooya 2 days ago
siliniod - what is that device?
wubabooya 2 days ago
@wubabooya maybe spelled wrong...........like a starter silinoid .........wire wrapped around a metal rod and when turn on the voltage the rod will pull one way and a spring returns the rod when no voltage is applied
irondmax 2 days ago
any chance you can link it to a gas handle og speeder or some sort of varible connecter/disconnecter, preset for a minimun of amount injected material?
wubabooya 2 days ago
@wubabooya yes we are building it now for our buggy now
the laser distributor and timing for injectors
irondmax 2 days ago
Any chance you can send info on the system - i might be able to use it in my hho engine experiment? so we can ride for free, and hopefully power to kick it sideways __ wruumm wrruuuuumm
wubabooya 2 days ago
@wubabooya the injector is just a siliniod
hook voltage to it and it opens
irondmax 2 days ago
lubricate your tripod!
Core2duoMac 2 weeks ago
@Core2duoMac i like the sound
irondmax 2 weeks ago
@irondmax max dont want use oil any more... lol
zcsaba77 2 weeks ago
@zcsaba77 working on it
irondmax 2 weeks ago
Great Idea- I'll work on a video of the cut open fuel injector. Also- thank you for the insight about how to control the open and closed, fuel injector duration. Note: part of the fuel injector which stops the plunger in the open position, was completely resistant to being cut. I burn up 8 Dremel cutting wheels and didn't make a scratch in it.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
@150MilesPerGallon hardened steel, mostlikly
irondmax 2 months ago
Are you aware of a device(electronic) that would allow me to lengthen or shorten the duration of the fuel injectors being open? Thank you for all of your help :)
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
@150MilesPerGallon you should do a video of you cut open injector
you will need to trigger the injector, simplist way is a magnetic trigger
if you want more on time, use a wider magnet
faster rpm will mean shorter ontime though, you will need some kind of electronic circuit as a timing device, this will be a little complicated, but very possible
irondmax 2 months ago
I purchase a used fuel injector from a 1993 Toyota Camery. The fuel injector only cost six dollars at the local auto wrecking yard. I cut the fuel injector down center, on each side of the injector, from top to bottom. I learn that the plunger is made of a very strong steal, and all of the parts that the fuel comes into contact with- is of a very strong steal- or metal material. This is good :) I also may need to find a way to adjust the duration of the injectors being open- for the fuel vapors.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
I was just thinking- thousands of people are running the GEET Fuel Processor design, which basically runs any gasoline powered engine on the gasoline(or various fuel mixture) vapors only. No liquid enters the cylinders of any engine with the GEET fuel system. And I've not heard nor read of any engine damage. In fact- the engine runs much cooler with GEET.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
One of the challenges with completely vaporizing gasoline with heat- is the boiling point of any given liquid(ie Gasoline) goes up- with increased pressure. All elements in gasoline vaporize at 400 Degrees Fahrenheit, at sea level(Altitude) at which atmospheric pressure is approximately 14psi.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
I drive two cars, the 2000 Honda Insight with just over 324,000 miles on the engine(still runs like new) is my experimental project car. It is with this car I will test the different mpg of liquid vs 100% vaporized gasoline. I'll keep a close eye on the spark plugs condition when running pure vaporized gasoline. Thank you for your insight :-)
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
I see that natural has a much higher octane(130) and vastly different burn rate, compared to gasoline. My 2000 Honda Insight 3cylinder Lean Burn(25/1)VTEC engine may handle the vapor state of gasoline. I'm not running CNG, but vaporized Petrol. I will try various psi with a regulator. Thank you for the insight.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
Continued: Yes- I like the idea of buying a fuel injector from the wrecking yard- and taking it apart and see if all materials are metal(inside). I notice the exhaust pipe near the head reads 350 F. When hot. I plan to wrap this area with high temp insulation to hopefully retain the additional 50 Degrees F. Note: Low fuel pressure 1psi? is also essential to achieve 100% vapor.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
@150MilesPerGallon 1psi.....i do not think the fuel injector will function
i think you would have better luck with a regulator of somekind
irondmax 2 months ago
Continued: Thank you for your response :-) I'm doing extensive research before I begin the application of my project to my car. I'm also considering running the 100% vaporized gasoline through a cooler(maybe use a small transmission cooler which looks like a miniature radiator), to cool the vapor in order that I may not overheat the fuel injector plunger. Though if the stock injectors fail from this test- I may upgrade to CNG injectors. Thank you for writing :-)
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
Continued: One of the more simple design ideas I would like to try is wrapping a copper fuel line many feet- around the exhaust near the head- heating the fuel to a minimum of 400 degrees Fahrenheit. This fuel line will have a regulator reducing pressure to approximately 1psi. If the fuel injector can tolerate this high temp, mpg may improve.
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
@150MilesPerGallon my truck is factory carborated and has a water line through the carb....this heats the gasoline to 200 degrees
1986 4x4 2.6 L and gets 28mpg
carefull you dont melt your pistons from not having liquid fuel on them
most gasoline engines are designed for some liquid fuel
if you had an engine designed for natural gas or propane......the engine is a little different than a gasoline engine....then you could run gasoline vapor with no problem
maybe look into a propane vaporizer
irondmax 2 months ago
Hi- it's mindthoughts1974, I start a new Chanel to focus on the gasoline vaporization project I'm working on- and to share my journey here on you tube. Question for you- can stock fuel injectors handle hot vaporized gasoline? Or would the plunger inside the fuel injector fail from 400F degree heated fuel? Is the fuel injector plunger metal?
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
@150MilesPerGallon you should check the temp that gasoline auto ignights i dont know it
car engines run around 200 degrees and the exhaust would be much hotter
i have no idea how hot the injector can get, 400 degrees , sounds about 150 degrees too hot to me
i suggest you would have to build one or take one apart and check it out...
junk yards are full of them, and cheap
maybe an exhaust silnoid would be more of what you need, its made for high temps
irondmax 2 months ago
@irondmax From what I've read- gasoline autoignites at 536 F. Many additives in gasoline that seem to resist vaporization- thus 400 degree minimum for 100% vaporization. I searched Fractional Distilation Of Crude Oil which shows gasoline vaporizing at 302 degrees F, though I believe many additives are added thereafter. I look up CNG Conversions which notes the same engine, heads and valves. All engine internals are stated as being the same. I'll further research the fuel injector build materials
150MilesPerGallon 2 months ago
@150MilesPerGallon i was in china for a year...........many CNG conversions there.......they all said the engine will only live a few years on CNG.......its because the engine was not designed for it.........not enough oil at the piston and seals wear out
irondmax 2 months ago
they will buy the patten as usual or the guy disapears just like the water crby thats been around since 1935!
ricki388 2 months ago
@ricki388 i wish they would buy it from me
then i would go live some where warm
most likely what happened to the other guys
irondmax 2 months ago
@irondmax sell it to china
ricki388 2 months ago
@ricki388 if they would offer, i would sell
china is a nice place to live
good food, and nice scenery
irondmax 2 months ago
I was recently reading an MIT study which stated that high voltage applied to the liquid fuel in a modified fuel injector- allowed the liquid gasoline to enter the combustion chamber at an even finner mist- thus a greater surface area of the fuel to be exposed to the oxygen- and thus a more complete burn- more power- more mpg. Ideally- from what I've read and learn- a large portion of gasoline does not burn inside the combustion chamber- and thus wasted gasoline- wasted power- wasted mpg.
mindthoughts1974 4 months ago
@mindthoughts1974 yes all true.............seems to me car companies do not try to optimise fuel economy
i drive a 87 4x4 truck , mitsibishi.......heated carberater, and at 55 mph i get 28 plus miles to gallon.
if it had another gear......it would do much better on the highway
my point is this is a 87 ......all the crap on our car engines....we should get much better fuel econimy now
irondmax 4 months ago
@irondmax wow- that's really great mpg you've achieved :) I drive a 2000 Honda Insight- which only weighs 1800 poungs and has a 1 Liter 3cylinder lean burn engine. I'm designing(on paper- then to be applied to the car) a gasoline vaporization system which will allow the engine to run more efficiently. This car also has a very tall gear ratio- it's a five speed stick shift(manual transmission) the engine redlines at just over 6,000 thousand RPM's and I can cruise 65 miles per hour in 3erd gear
mindthoughts1974 4 months ago
@irondmax Continued: This type of transmission(2000 insight)- and the extreme fuel efficiency of burning 100 Percent vaporized gasoline- I may very well see fuel efficiency in the several hundreds of miles per gallon. My goal is 100 miles per gallon- and being that the car already averages a minimum of 60 miles per gallon with the AC on high and driving with the flow of traffic- at any given time- I see no reason this car will not vastly exceed 100mpg once my designs are complete and on the car.
mindthoughts1974 4 months ago
@irondmax Continued: Note: I forgot to mention- in 3erd gear cruising 65 miles per hour on the highway- the tall gear ratio of the 2000 Honda insight I'm driving is only at 3500(three thousand five hundred) RPM's. Note: This stock engines redline is just over 6000 rpm's. This 3cylinder 1 Liter motor is what honda calls their V-Tech E. Basically a high performance small motor- very fuel efficient.
mindthoughts1974 4 months ago
@irondmax The car manufacturers are in bed with the oil / fuel companies they serve each other, it would not go down well with the fuel companies if the auto manufacturers produced engines that got 50 / 100 / 150 miles to the gallon, it would cut there revenue stream of cash flow in proportional percentages.. There in bed together, and fuel savings isn’t on the agenda, three is a crowd…
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 4 months ago
@fuelban yes....i think your right
irondmax 4 months ago
@irondmax Hi, yes it is true, check out this video for proof of my belief on this matter, and if they would go so far as this 100 yrs ago as to purchase and destroy the tram systems of USA, how far do you think they would go today to maintain and keep there grip.... 29% of cars in USA were electric motors at the turn of the last century... where would they have evolved to by today..!!. have a good one guy and thanks for your comment. check this out {The Last Word on Snake Oil}
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 4 months ago
@fuelban some times we just need to do it our selfs
lets do it
irondmax 4 months ago
hahaha now light it =D
s1lv3rst3inisemo 4 months ago
@s1lv3rst3inisemo BOOM!
irondmax 4 months ago
Nice job there; I think I understand what it is you are doing with this project Icarus (way cool name there, not sure about the sun reference other than the hydrogen connection). Is it your idea to first create a ionized or vaporized gas or diesel fuel that combines or coalesce with HHO (+ oxygen)? Or are you trying to just use HHO as a fuel source? I would think combining a vaporized liquid with HHO would be a good start in that it might help weigh down the HHO into the chamber, thoughts?
StarTrek2012 5 months ago
@StarTrek2012 all that.....yes.....
HHO can be used as a fuel source......easy enough
or add it to your fuel..........
all fuel must be processed or made......
HHO or gasoline........it must be made........
thanks
irondmax 5 months ago
Really like your experiments- keep up the great work- I'm especially interested in Stan Meyers successful work and creations with water as fuel. Please continue to make many videos documenting your experiments.
mindthoughts1974 5 months ago
@mindthoughts1974 i will ......i do not plan to stop
irondmax 5 months ago
@mindthoughts1974 i will ......i do not plan to stop thanks
irondmax 5 months ago
@irondmax Awesome :-)
mindthoughts1974 5 months ago
@mindthoughts1974 thanks
irondmax 4 months ago
hello max how is it going, any new developments
dylan3657 8 months ago
@dylan3657 working on modifications to my briggs. woking on the timing and ignition circuit fine tuning. getting rid of the waste spark...........stuff like that
irondmax 8 months ago
Just visualizing what your car looks like after this ????
Stan used Buggy whats in your list lol
imtotob 9 months ago
@imtotob my car... do you really think i would pull this stuff off my car?
OH!........yea i would..............LOL
thanks man.............thats funny
my list is very long, my friend
fuel injection, timing ,alternator, spark plug ignition, water seperator, pwm, multi wet dry cell,bubbler, .................what ever it takes.....
lots of work to make it work.
the 18 hp briggs, quite the gas hog, maybe it eats more than a buggy......
more work ahead
irondmax 9 months ago
A brave one to atomize gas. I would have used water. Found Meyer's patent fully explained. Now I understand the WFC and WFI. I'm starting to look at ionisation of air and water. I plan to build a test unit in the next few weeks. I don't plan on posting anything on the Tube though.
Keep up the good work.
pmlapl1 9 months ago
@pmlapl1 if you do not want to post your stuff.....please send me what you get done.....i would love to see it
gasoline....childs play...LOL
when i was a kid i would play with gasoline in a spray bottle....then napalm .......lots of fun for a 6 year old....LOL
burn yourself and you get a little wiser i guess
scars are just a reminder that you learned something important...............
irondmax 9 months ago
turbo gives free engery instead of compressing air connect to alternator for a few more amps if needed
dylan3657 9 months ago
@dylan3657 thats a really good idea.....i never thought of that
yes exhaust turning and alternator................very nice. i would say a small load though....but good idea
thanks
irondmax 9 months ago
@irondmax
Hi, I've been stalking here for a few days and find your research fascinating. I tried the WFC but was unsucsessful. Great you did it. I'm going to start work on the WFI. Are you going to make your own injector?
pmlapl1 9 months ago
@pmlapl1 yes later i want to make my own injector based on meyers work, with the vic transformer around it. for now i will settle for the junk yard parts.....if the engine runs then plenty of work ahead
irondmax 9 months ago
Great Work!!! And best of luck.Thans for sharing.Tec
tectalabyss 9 months ago
@tectalabyss more to come
irondmax 9 months ago
Could you give me a description for the control of the injector?
star2067 9 months ago
@star2067 PWM tune it to the pulse you want
irondmax 9 months ago
have you tryed to shoot hho threw it yet and see if it will ignite?
Iseekoutthetruth 9 months ago
@Iseekoutthetruth it will ignite, not a problem
irondmax 9 months ago
YOUR ALMOST THERE BRO!
vox1philippines 9 months ago
@vox1philippines working on it bro....a little everyday
irondmax 9 months ago
Pressurize un-ionized HHO and I've read it implodes back into water.
davematherly 9 months ago
@davematherly not sure about the whole implosion thing. but yes i think it turns back into water. explodes for sure, to turn the crank.....implodes....i have heard but not seen
irondmax 9 months ago
Great job.
teslacult 9 months ago
@teslacult thanks....more work ahead.
irondmax 9 months ago
now would if you had a pressurized hho running to the fuel lines in yr car, would it work??
Video85Man 9 months ago
@Video85Man in so many words, the injector yes.....timing needs to match the fuel and fuel needs to go down the intake. hydrogen likes to float up.....lots of factors to deal with
irondmax 9 months ago