I think I would have more sympathy with the "Palestinian cause" if it wasn't as self-inflicted as it is. The Arabs have attacked Israel numerous times with the intention of committing the same atrocities Chomsky condemns. If they didn't pass down vicious Jew-hatred and incite to violence the way that they do, I think Israel would have stopped occupying the West Bank a long time ago.
around 2:15 chomsky says if americans knew of the atrocities going on, we'd protest & do something about it. i know it's cynical as hell, but i wonder if he's giving us too much credit....
@freedo333 In all fairness, when Americans do protest, they are arrested en-mass! Remember the students in Pittsburgh regarding the G8 Summit? The police beat the HELL out of them, even went so far as to club kids that were just walking back to their dorms. The police in this country have become nothing more than a bunch of GOONS for the "Globalists!"
The media, the government, the educational system, our "culture" is controlled, as much as possible.... YOU can be somewhat free IF you educate yourself and know that ALL information is suspect.
David Frum, who features in this video at about 3:20, became George Bush's most senior speechwriter, close friend, and chief advocate of the neocons (just type his name into youtube). here he was a journalist, arguing against chomsky's ideas about the strong bonds between media and government.
@barnab99 It was awsome watching Frum get destroyed by Chomsky. Frum was the guy that coined the term "axis of evil". He helped gin up support for the Iraq massacre.
Frum is such a fool! His wife was too good for him! What was she thinking marrying him? He probably doesnt even know about the Kurds! Does he know about his own heritage? Does he know about his Anglo-Celticness?
@gamimenaki Not so much that Frum is a a schmuck, he's just been indoctrinated by the media. People learn to "thwart the debate" especially when it's appears to paint your country in a bad light. Notice Frum's question to Chomsky. He averted our attention from the "real" debate at hand by taking focus off the Palestinian plight and our support of Israel by mentioning Chomsky's "lack of support" for Kurdish plight. This tactic is used quite often, intential or not, by those in denial.
I agree, the American medias are guilty of these atrocities too. The problem is that they are not free and they are indoctrinated and tied to corporations & power.
if you read the book Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky you'll see it's nothing as complex as indocrination - it's the pure and simple fact that the media is market controlled and that large capitalist companies own the press itself. The people who work in the press may know better but they have to report what will keep the funding rolling in.
I agree if you're speaking of mainstream media, but not ALL media is as constrained to speak out as you might think. Try the non-mainstream media and you'll see. Z Magazine's a good start. They have no advertising and are therefore not accountable to corporate agendas and are VERY outspoken about the ills of U.S. foreign and domestic policy.
I think you're forgetting the MAIN point. Most Americans get their news from MSM. Wage slaves (80% uneducated) are too busy surviving and paying their bills to be aware of what's going on. It's not like this is common knowledge....
You have a low opinion and understanding of the proletariat. Just because they don't make a lot of money or have a high level of education, don't assume they're stupid or unaware of what's going on out there. Only from a position of arrogance could someone state that low-wage workers are too busy surviving/paying their bills "to be aware of what's going on." That's elitist thinking.
I think you're misinterpreting the point I'm making. I myself am a wage earner. My point is that we are too busy trying to survive and take care of our responsibilities that we don't have time to become aware of what's going on or educate ourselves to the the root cause behind world problems.
Agreed, meanwhile the media will keep "framing the debate," diverting our attention off the REAL ISSUES AT HAND, and more importantly, what causes it.
@blaziermissy i hear you & feel you. i do what i can to scrape a decent living up. i struggle more & more while i hear about the top 2 % bitching about their tax cuts: "we're paying most the taxes! don't tax us more!!" but i say: "if you got most of the money, you pay most of the taxes"
... i don't think it's done on purpose, but the fact of loads of intelligent americans are kept too busy working to pay attention to the fat cats leeching on them is troubling
@blaziermissy I also know how hard it is just to get by in life, while you try to keep a hundred different plates spinning just to stop everything falling apart.
But I realized something a few months ago that got me thinking, and I'll ask you a question to demonstrate; how long, every day, week, month and year do you estimate you spend watching TV? How could that time otherwise be spent?
@blaziermissy i dont think that we are too busy or that we are not that busy,i think that how busy you are is not the point,im from Greece and youre propably from the US and as far as i have seen is that citizens around the globe cannot make any difference in their own countrys no matter what,even if u had the most available time what could u possibly do with that?everyone is asking the same,what can we do?thinks seems to move slow,power is gathered in a few and ure chances are always slim...
@gorillabelly1 well said; and if the media didn't hide the atrocities of what was going on in the 70's you can be sure that the "low-wage workers" would fight and demonstrate. They did during the time of the Industrial Revolution and the civil rights movements here. Knowing the difference between right and wrong has nothing to do with station. Being kept in the dark by the elitist media and politicans; well, that's a different story.
4:22 Where can I find the full recording of that?
batbawls 2 months ago in playlist NOAM CHOMSKY (Manufacturing Consent, Rebel Without A Pause)
@batbawls Hi! You can find the recording by doing a youtube search for "Chomsky Canadian Journalists". It's there in 4 parts ;-)
CheekyNonconformist 1 week ago
I think I would have more sympathy with the "Palestinian cause" if it wasn't as self-inflicted as it is. The Arabs have attacked Israel numerous times with the intention of committing the same atrocities Chomsky condemns. If they didn't pass down vicious Jew-hatred and incite to violence the way that they do, I think Israel would have stopped occupying the West Bank a long time ago.
synergy0530 4 months ago
what we need is a heavy dose of discordianism. . .
freedo333 8 months ago
i didnt know shit about this in canada because of the media. which is why i agree so much when i hear this argument.
blackcawkdown 8 months ago
would you look at that.. david frum has always been a prick
djamorpheus 8 months ago
around 2:15 chomsky says if americans knew of the atrocities going on, we'd protest & do something about it. i know it's cynical as hell, but i wonder if he's giving us too much credit....
freedo333 1 year ago 6
@freedo333 In all fairness, when Americans do protest, they are arrested en-mass! Remember the students in Pittsburgh regarding the G8 Summit? The police beat the HELL out of them, even went so far as to club kids that were just walking back to their dorms. The police in this country have become nothing more than a bunch of GOONS for the "Globalists!"
HeavensHelp1 8 months ago 3
My motto is my share of the profit equals my share of the guilt.
sarahannstarmer 1 year ago
@sarahannstarmer
NO!
ahmed337799 9 months ago
The media, the government, the educational system, our "culture" is controlled, as much as possible.... YOU can be somewhat free IF you educate yourself and know that ALL information is suspect.
jesusisbling 1 year ago
Amazing video.
LightJehuety 1 year ago
I guess Frum thinks that eating at Burger King regularly means you aren't giving fair consideration to McDonalds. What a simpleton.
HumaninSeoul 1 year ago
holy shit, Frum got his ass handed to him there.
fraggle1jock 1 year ago 7
Noam needed a shower after sitting next to Frum.
potcrak 1 year ago 4
It's funny to see the Canadian neo-con, David Frump, in his earlier nefarious roles.
Tsnore 2 years ago
David Frum, who features in this video at about 3:20, became George Bush's most senior speechwriter, close friend, and chief advocate of the neocons (just type his name into youtube). here he was a journalist, arguing against chomsky's ideas about the strong bonds between media and government.
irony, anyone?
barnab99 2 years ago 9
@barnab99 It was awsome watching Frum get destroyed by Chomsky. Frum was the guy that coined the term "axis of evil". He helped gin up support for the Iraq massacre.
mrwhatthepho2012 1 year ago
@barnab99 Frum the scumsucker was attempting to learn his chops of oppression, obviously they have served him well.
malkooth 1 year ago
"La biga etrusca di castro"??
In the back,what's that?
Giovannisenzaterra 2 years ago
Frum is such a fool! His wife was too good for him! What was she thinking marrying him? He probably doesnt even know about the Kurds! Does he know about his own heritage? Does he know about his Anglo-Celticness?
gamimenaki 2 years ago
That journalist Frum is such a schmuck!
gamimenaki 2 years ago
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Give Frum a break! At least he was challenging Chomsky and not simply eating up all his points of view like most.
gorillabelly1 2 years ago
@gorillabelly1 He didn't challenge Chomsky, he averted your focus off of our countries support to issue by attacking Chomsky's "support," period.
See my above comment to gamimenaki.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
@gamimenaki Not so much that Frum is a a schmuck, he's just been indoctrinated by the media. People learn to "thwart the debate" especially when it's appears to paint your country in a bad light. Notice Frum's question to Chomsky. He averted our attention from the "real" debate at hand by taking focus off the Palestinian plight and our support of Israel by mentioning Chomsky's "lack of support" for Kurdish plight. This tactic is used quite often, intential or not, by those in denial.
blaziermissy 2 years ago 4
Noam sounded like an Existentialist :) That made me soooooooo very happy :)
activist180 2 years ago 3
WOW, David Frum was as big a slimeball 20 years ago as he is now! Who woulda thunk it?
28g34ajbsd 2 years ago 2
I agree, the American medias are guilty of these atrocities too. The problem is that they are not free and they are indoctrinated and tied to corporations & power.
68generation 2 years ago
if you read the book Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky you'll see it's nothing as complex as indocrination - it's the pure and simple fact that the media is market controlled and that large capitalist companies own the press itself. The people who work in the press may know better but they have to report what will keep the funding rolling in.
QwertyBstard 2 years ago 3
I agree if you're speaking of mainstream media, but not ALL media is as constrained to speak out as you might think. Try the non-mainstream media and you'll see. Z Magazine's a good start. They have no advertising and are therefore not accountable to corporate agendas and are VERY outspoken about the ills of U.S. foreign and domestic policy.
gorillabelly1 2 years ago 2
I think you're forgetting the MAIN point. Most Americans get their news from MSM. Wage slaves (80% uneducated) are too busy surviving and paying their bills to be aware of what's going on. It's not like this is common knowledge....
blaziermissy 2 years ago 3
You have a low opinion and understanding of the proletariat. Just because they don't make a lot of money or have a high level of education, don't assume they're stupid or unaware of what's going on out there. Only from a position of arrogance could someone state that low-wage workers are too busy surviving/paying their bills "to be aware of what's going on." That's elitist thinking.
gorillabelly1 2 years ago 2
I think you're misinterpreting the point I'm making. I myself am a wage earner. My point is that we are too busy trying to survive and take care of our responsibilities that we don't have time to become aware of what's going on or educate ourselves to the the root cause behind world problems.
It's not an insult......it's a fact.
blaziermissy 2 years ago 24
@blaziermissy What you say is all part of the plan.
To keep you so busy housing and feeding yourself you don`t have time for anything else.
It`s going to get worse as good jobs keep disappearing across the country.
freebird100 2 years ago 3
Agreed, meanwhile the media will keep "framing the debate," diverting our attention off the REAL ISSUES AT HAND, and more importantly, what causes it.
blaziermissy 2 years ago 3
The fed reported today, or so I heard that the unemployment rate will continue to be in termoil for 2 more years.
A prediction by those that control our misery.
blaziermissy 2 years ago 3
@blaziermissy Too busy doing what? Watching TV?
pvisserandorra 1 year ago
@blaziermissy i hear you & feel you. i do what i can to scrape a decent living up. i struggle more & more while i hear about the top 2 % bitching about their tax cuts: "we're paying most the taxes! don't tax us more!!" but i say: "if you got most of the money, you pay most of the taxes"
... i don't think it's done on purpose, but the fact of loads of intelligent americans are kept too busy working to pay attention to the fat cats leeching on them is troubling
freedo333 1 year ago
@blaziermissy I also know how hard it is just to get by in life, while you try to keep a hundred different plates spinning just to stop everything falling apart.
But I realized something a few months ago that got me thinking, and I'll ask you a question to demonstrate; how long, every day, week, month and year do you estimate you spend watching TV? How could that time otherwise be spent?
BritishUnion 9 months ago
@blaziermissy i dont think that we are too busy or that we are not that busy,i think that how busy you are is not the point,im from Greece and youre propably from the US and as far as i have seen is that citizens around the globe cannot make any difference in their own countrys no matter what,even if u had the most available time what could u possibly do with that?everyone is asking the same,what can we do?thinks seems to move slow,power is gathered in a few and ure chances are always slim...
DoelGr 4 months ago
@gorillabelly1 well said; and if the media didn't hide the atrocities of what was going on in the 70's you can be sure that the "low-wage workers" would fight and demonstrate. They did during the time of the Industrial Revolution and the civil rights movements here. Knowing the difference between right and wrong has nothing to do with station. Being kept in the dark by the elitist media and politicans; well, that's a different story.
JaneeAddy 1 year ago
0:27 to 1:00
Somebody is nervous... I'm calling bullshit.
cormano64 2 years ago 4
anyone know the weird orchestra song towards the end?
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
Ahhh..., that's better. Good show.
MrSULLY01 2 years ago
well said Noam Chomsky
peace
zafthedon 2 years ago
Very good! I like Chomsky! Now, where the hell are 7,8, & 9 of 9?
MrSULLY01 2 years ago
They're up, now =D
Zalibaba 2 years ago