@beastlyjamie the old water heaters have some very important advantages: They are already two-walled with insulation, and they already have the inlet and outlet pipes in the correct places and with the correct sized pipes and the threads to fit standard water pipes. Although you can insulate any tank, those pipe characteristics are serious disadvantages of propane tanks, so much so that for most people they will not work at all.
@squatchman22 No, still working on it. I've secured a 10 gallon water heater that is perfect, but I am considering how I want to hook this up (integrate it with the house water system or make an entirely different independent water system for when the municipal water goes dry. I am leaning toward the latter.)
i make these type of water heaters, but they are 44" long with 30' of 3/8/ ID, 1/2 OD copper tubing. it takes about 3 nights after work to build them. if interested i can sell them for $400 each, or make a custom one.
Hi Doc, I have a question regarding your hot water heater, if you cool the smoke too much would you lose the natural draw, especially in a horizontal pipe and would the particulates begin to coat the inside?
@Mrphatbastard1 The smoke isn't cooled nearly enough to affect the draw. I take this apart about once a year and run a brush through it to make sure creosote isn't building up to a dangerous level.
@thenewsurvivalist Thanks Doc, when I was about five my mom had a wood cook stove that I had to keep stoked at all times in the winter unless I was in school. I remember it having a set of tubes winding around the firebox that fed an insulated hotank that use to shake, rattle and roll. Scary when your just a kid, but effective enough for a warm bath after diner. Just want to express how much I enjoy your videos, I'm always looking forward to the next one. Thanks again...
i made these b\c like u sed be prepepred and i am deffinetly smart enof to not have to pay money for most of the stuff i need this will eventuly be a stand alone power station so far i have gotten 1400 watts of usable on demand power but it will only get better with the new engine in this video =3-
I wonder if a ss pressure cooker w an inlet and outlet installed on top, inlet being a pipe to bottom, outlet can just be threaded male, maybe pressure valve controllable? or stop it up and install a T&P valve after outlet then to tank. Put it on a burner of Box stove so flames hit the pot directly, this way you can scrape creosote that might form with ease... You're almost set up to test, see if different positioning of heat exchanger reduces creosote.Good vid, keep it up! CO detector is good!
great stuff. maybe TWO different water sources...one in the chimney (washing/ cooking) and a more typical back boiler circulating heat (anti freeze or something COMPLETELY SEPARATE CLOSED LOOP) into a coil of pipe under the floor. very nice. keep warm
I don't find water heaters that interesting but a cool video none the less. Good work.. And good stuff keeping people alert to the possible dangerous steam =)
A bit of advice, If yoi pull to much heat off of your chmnie pipe, you could have a problem with creiasote build up, Might be something to take a look at., I have been burning wood burners for close to twenty years. Just so you dont think i am some kind of u tube jirk i do know a little about wood burners.
@willibill1 i have a ?? i have made a prity good size boiler now will i get more power out of the wood for my boiler if i use a blower or is it better to let it say rocket out the stack (if u want to see the boiler i beleve its a video responce or its on my channel =3-
@civildisorder44 I could not find a name on it. It certainly doesn't look homemade. I think it is just very old, probably made 50 years ago. They were probably discontinued because the Nanny State doesn't think that the American people can be trusted with anything that might be dangerous.
@civildisorder44 Well, I don't know about that precise one, but there's lots of components specifically designed to make a similar system for sale on the internet. You must be carefull when assembling that though. Here's a website that sells parts and has a few plans. You should follow some plans and not neglect things like temperature control valves and pressure relief valves or you might hurt yourself and others and cause lots of damage. look on hilkoil.com
I had to pull two of these out of homes for damn good reasons and if I were you I would yank that stuff out right now. Carbon monoxide and advanced corrosion is where this stuff gets you. It may be working for you right now but I have met people who had small amounts of CO in there home for years and just never knew why they got sick just a bit easier than everyone else.
You couldnt design it worse if you tried,not only your pulling the heat out of your chimney thus reducing your draw you will also have more tar build up,
The nice 90 bends and horizontal long lenth.
You NEED all the heat from a stove IN the flue,please dont try this for yourself or you could kill yourself!!!
I have the same stove. Have you gotten the box and damper collar cherry red as i have once? If so, did it concern you about the stoves ability to handle the high heat.
@warbirdsp51 i have a wood burnning stove in my house and one time i therw a cople of cholet donets (the small ones) it got the flew pipe red hot and it scared the crap out of me and o couldnt put it out by shutting the door it just got biger i hade to use a fire extinguisher to put it out but i dont tink it was good for it =\
Although most people would buy a more efficient stove I am impressed with what you've done. It isn't for me but to each their own.
I did have one question. With all of those devices *especially the water heater* cooling the gasses before it even goes up, do you find you have issues with creosote? I've always been taught that the pipe has to stay hot to keep the creosote from sticking to the sides as the pipe cools near the top. Have you had any issues with this at all?
@Mainerism I take the pipes apart each year and check them. The vertical section is never any problem but there is some build up on the horizontal section (which stays very hot.) I run a brush through it before the Winter season and there is no problem. This stove is not the means we use to heat our house. It is an emergency backup in case we lose all other sources of energy and resort to wood. It will keep us and our pipes from freezing. I do burn it some each year to keep the wood pile fresh.
@Mainerism I realize this post is 3 mos old now, but I thought I might chime in with more of what Maine has stated. When you burn wood as your primary source of heat, it is important for maintenance of the pipes and chimney tiles to keep that creosote from building up. Getting the right size stove is important as the first step. Most will clean their chimneys and pipes around once a month in the winter to keep the creosote from being an issue. Simple dis-assembly usually keeps the pipes fresh.
@wobdee1 I saw your stove. It is a different type. I told you that on the stoves I have it can only be put together ONE WAY, the way I have it. End of conversation. If you want to argue back and forth, please find a forum.
Think you should have opted for a 'rocket mass heater', I've lived with both wood stoves & mass heaters & boy oh boy the rocket mass heater kicks the panties of a wood stove, only needs to be burning for about an hour or two, stays hot at day, does my hot water, cooling & heating at the same time & uses about 1/4 of the wood I was using with my wood burning stove, really cheap to build, great vid all the best, namaste x
I was wondering where you purchased your two foot piece of pipe with the copper ends coming out of the pipe is their a place we can purchase or did you do it yourself thanks
why did someone dislike this video? Epic beard, sweet off-grid technology, the soothing voice of the Doctor...this is prepper gold! Be gone haters! lol
ok, belay that last; my video up loaded after the intro , so now I see it came that way, although a person should be able to create the whole thing with some careful pipe-coiling!
peaple need to know that a prv valve doesnt just work off of pressure they also work off of temperature set at if you dont have a way too stop the water from heating you will trip the valve people on you tube need to be more carefull about what they tell people to do.not to mention you also have scalding issues and damage to faucets. instead of springs try to find a low amperage box fan to place next to your fire box.big impact for very little electric.
Love your videos- really appreciate you. I was wondering if you have considered a solar hot water heater for the warm months when you don't run the wood burning stove. I've seen them made of old water heaters with the shell removed and painted flat black. If you have a video on this that I missed, please forgive me :-)
@jklstewart That's a good topic for another video some day. I do have a camping shower purchased in a camping store which consists of a large black plastic bag that you hang in the sun. After a few hours the water is hot and you can take a shower under it (it includes a shower head attached to the bag-a very simple device but ingenious as well.)
Thanks for the great video. Do you have trouble with creosote buildup in the horizontal parts or turns in your stovepipe? Are there any other things to watch out for with a horizontal stovepipe? I love that idea.
@ArlynB101 I regularly burn the creosote remover. Additionally, I periodically take the pipes apart and check them. I have a steel brush to run through them when needed. Yes, it is something to watch out for to prevent flue fires.
@Clicklc1500 It has taken me a while to find a used water heater that is just the right size (small.) I just recently found one (10 gal) at an estate sale for $15. Now that I have the water heater I can continue with the project when I have time (the key.) I will make a new video (part 2) when it is completed.
I've got a question. Do you think there is a health benefit to eating with sterling flatware rather than stainless steel? Would there be any beneficial silver transfer to the body? Oops this belongs on your colloidal silver video- very good by the way.
@VintageWorkbench Yes, to some degree, but not because you ingest the silver but because it kills germs on contact. People used to keep food in silver containers because it was a sort of food preserver. Farmers used to drop a silver dollar in the bottom of their milk containers because they learned that the milk would keep longer before it spoiled. The Ancient Romans used silver containers to help purify water and keep it fresh longer.
Hi, great project. Two questions for you, first, do you not need to install some sort of gasket on the new stove pipe to ensure against carbon dioxide from entering your house, and to send all of the stove exhaust up the chimney? Also, the length of horizontal pipe that you have installed would make me concerned about two things, one creosote build up on either side of that run, and also loss of stack causing exhaust gas to back up again into the stove, or into the living area? Thank you
@mitm19 I think you mean carbon monoxide and not carbon dioxide. No gasket is needed. As long as there is a good draft all gases go up the flue. There is a long up shaft (two floors) and the updraft is very strong. But just in case I have a battery operated carbon monoxide detector in the area. Good point. I watch the creosote build up, burning creosote remover periodically and also taking the pipes apart every year or two to check more closely and to run a cleaning brush through them.
old propane tank wwould work well for a resivour
beastlyjamie 2 days ago
@beastlyjamie the old water heaters have some very important advantages: They are already two-walled with insulation, and they already have the inlet and outlet pipes in the correct places and with the correct sized pipes and the threads to fit standard water pipes. Although you can insulate any tank, those pipe characteristics are serious disadvantages of propane tanks, so much so that for most people they will not work at all.
thenewsurvivalist 2 days ago
do you have the video of this bad boy installed yet doc?
squatchman22 1 week ago
@squatchman22 No, still working on it. I've secured a 10 gallon water heater that is perfect, but I am considering how I want to hook this up (integrate it with the house water system or make an entirely different independent water system for when the municipal water goes dry. I am leaning toward the latter.)
thenewsurvivalist 2 days ago
If you decide not to heat water in your house for normal use I'm sure you can thermosyphon to a radiator to heat your house.
Not a bad find.
jjsjeffjjsjeff 2 weeks ago
i make these type of water heaters, but they are 44" long with 30' of 3/8/ ID, 1/2 OD copper tubing. it takes about 3 nights after work to build them. if interested i can sell them for $400 each, or make a custom one.
shiblib 3 weeks ago
Hi Doc, I have a question regarding your hot water heater, if you cool the smoke too much would you lose the natural draw, especially in a horizontal pipe and would the particulates begin to coat the inside?
Mrphatbastard1 1 month ago
@Mrphatbastard1 The smoke isn't cooled nearly enough to affect the draw. I take this apart about once a year and run a brush through it to make sure creosote isn't building up to a dangerous level.
thenewsurvivalist 1 month ago
@thenewsurvivalist Thanks Doc, when I was about five my mom had a wood cook stove that I had to keep stoked at all times in the winter unless I was in school. I remember it having a set of tubes winding around the firebox that fed an insulated hotank that use to shake, rattle and roll. Scary when your just a kid, but effective enough for a warm bath after diner. Just want to express how much I enjoy your videos, I'm always looking forward to the next one. Thanks again...
Mrphatbastard1 1 month ago
i made these b\c like u sed be prepepred and i am deffinetly smart enof to not have to pay money for most of the stuff i need this will eventuly be a stand alone power station so far i have gotten 1400 watts of usable on demand power but it will only get better with the new engine in this video =3-
xoxoXoieoxox 2 months ago
I wonder if a ss pressure cooker w an inlet and outlet installed on top, inlet being a pipe to bottom, outlet can just be threaded male, maybe pressure valve controllable? or stop it up and install a T&P valve after outlet then to tank. Put it on a burner of Box stove so flames hit the pot directly, this way you can scrape creosote that might form with ease... You're almost set up to test, see if different positioning of heat exchanger reduces creosote.Good vid, keep it up! CO detector is good!
apples13able 2 months ago
great stuff. maybe TWO different water sources...one in the chimney (washing/ cooking) and a more typical back boiler circulating heat (anti freeze or something COMPLETELY SEPARATE CLOSED LOOP) into a coil of pipe under the floor. very nice. keep warm
neiallswheel 2 months ago
I don't find water heaters that interesting but a cool video none the less. Good work.. And good stuff keeping people alert to the possible dangerous steam =)
scottbailey1985 3 months ago
A bit of advice, If yoi pull to much heat off of your chmnie pipe, you could have a problem with creiasote build up, Might be something to take a look at., I have been burning wood burners for close to twenty years. Just so you dont think i am some kind of u tube jirk i do know a little about wood burners.
willibill1 3 months ago
@willibill1 i have a ?? i have made a prity good size boiler now will i get more power out of the wood for my boiler if i use a blower or is it better to let it say rocket out the stack (if u want to see the boiler i beleve its a video responce or its on my channel =3-
xoxoXoieoxox 2 months ago
I can't find that water heater ANYWHERE!!! Is there a name on it somewhere??? I wonder if it was homemade...
civildisorder44 3 months ago
@civildisorder44 I could not find a name on it. It certainly doesn't look homemade. I think it is just very old, probably made 50 years ago. They were probably discontinued because the Nanny State doesn't think that the American people can be trusted with anything that might be dangerous.
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@civildisorder44 Well, I don't know about that precise one, but there's lots of components specifically designed to make a similar system for sale on the internet. You must be carefull when assembling that though. Here's a website that sells parts and has a few plans. You should follow some plans and not neglect things like temperature control valves and pressure relief valves or you might hurt yourself and others and cause lots of damage. look on hilkoil.com
CSavardDaigle 2 months ago
Great modifications on your wood burning stove. I really like what you did. Great video!
lazydogdied 3 months ago
Dont you already have a water heater?
pwarren1010 3 months ago
I had to pull two of these out of homes for damn good reasons and if I were you I would yank that stuff out right now. Carbon monoxide and advanced corrosion is where this stuff gets you. It may be working for you right now but I have met people who had small amounts of CO in there home for years and just never knew why they got sick just a bit easier than everyone else.
Darthreloy 3 months ago
Hows does your flue work with a 90 degree horizontal run like it shows? Is it mega tall or is it fan assisted?
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You couldnt design it worse if you tried,not only your pulling the heat out of your chimney thus reducing your draw you will also have more tar build up,
The nice 90 bends and horizontal long lenth.
You NEED all the heat from a stove IN the flue,please dont try this for yourself or you could kill yourself!!!
Still cant quite work out if its a joke or not!
co is no joke!!
snoopdogzify 4 months ago
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snoopdogzify 4 months ago
my dad has a small radiator (i think it might be a car oil cooler) in the back of the fire box. it would be much much better for water heating
HomeDistiller 5 months ago
I have the same stove. Have you gotten the box and damper collar cherry red as i have once? If so, did it concern you about the stoves ability to handle the high heat.
warbirdsp51 5 months ago
@warbirdsp51 No I haven't. You should try to avoid that. It's a small stove and isn't made to heat your whole house.
thenewsurvivalist 5 months ago
@thenewsurvivalist What if your house is under 200 square feet?
chanceturcotte 4 months ago
@warbirdsp51 i have a wood burnning stove in my house and one time i therw a cople of cholet donets (the small ones) it got the flew pipe red hot and it scared the crap out of me and o couldnt put it out by shutting the door it just got biger i hade to use a fire extinguisher to put it out but i dont tink it was good for it =\
xoxoXoieoxox 2 months ago
If the SHTF where are you getting the running water???
gazaking765 5 months ago
@gazaking765 Gravity feed from a barrel on an upper level.
thenewsurvivalist 5 months ago 3
@thenewsurvivalist gah you preppers find the coolest stuff:(
scarekrow9 4 months ago
Although most people would buy a more efficient stove I am impressed with what you've done. It isn't for me but to each their own.
I did have one question. With all of those devices *especially the water heater* cooling the gasses before it even goes up, do you find you have issues with creosote? I've always been taught that the pipe has to stay hot to keep the creosote from sticking to the sides as the pipe cools near the top. Have you had any issues with this at all?
Mainerism 7 months ago
@Mainerism I take the pipes apart each year and check them. The vertical section is never any problem but there is some build up on the horizontal section (which stays very hot.) I run a brush through it before the Winter season and there is no problem. This stove is not the means we use to heat our house. It is an emergency backup in case we lose all other sources of energy and resort to wood. It will keep us and our pipes from freezing. I do burn it some each year to keep the wood pile fresh.
thenewsurvivalist 7 months ago
@Mainerism I realize this post is 3 mos old now, but I thought I might chime in with more of what Maine has stated. When you burn wood as your primary source of heat, it is important for maintenance of the pipes and chimney tiles to keep that creosote from building up. Getting the right size stove is important as the first step. Most will clean their chimneys and pipes around once a month in the winter to keep the creosote from being an issue. Simple dis-assembly usually keeps the pipes fresh.
chop98 3 months ago
Look it up in any stove manual, I have.
wobdee1 7 months ago
@wobdee1 I saw your stove. It is a different type. I told you that on the stoves I have it can only be put together ONE WAY, the way I have it. End of conversation. If you want to argue back and forth, please find a forum.
thenewsurvivalist 7 months ago
OMG..how long have u been burn with that too long horizonal pipe..have fun cleaning it out
JTO500 7 months ago
You should check out the masonry heater association of north america.It beats any inefficient pot belly.
TheTbrookshire 8 months ago
That should have read 'cooking & heating' my sausage fingers aren't build for technology :)
kainejoyes 8 months ago
Think you should have opted for a 'rocket mass heater', I've lived with both wood stoves & mass heaters & boy oh boy the rocket mass heater kicks the panties of a wood stove, only needs to be burning for about an hour or two, stays hot at day, does my hot water, cooling & heating at the same time & uses about 1/4 of the wood I was using with my wood burning stove, really cheap to build, great vid all the best, namaste x
kainejoyes 8 months ago
@kainejoyes cooling?
Joltinjess5 5 months ago
@kainejoyes you said that it does your hot water, cooling and heating all at the same time. How do you do cooling with your rocket stove?
Joltinjess5 5 months ago
I was wondering where you purchased your two foot piece of pipe with the copper ends coming out of the pipe is their a place we can purchase or did you do it yourself thanks
winwin123ful 10 months ago
why did someone dislike this video? Epic beard, sweet off-grid technology, the soothing voice of the Doctor...this is prepper gold! Be gone haters! lol
MrStr8diesel 11 months ago
ok, belay that last; my video up loaded after the intro , so now I see it came that way, although a person should be able to create the whole thing with some careful pipe-coiling!
wwrat 11 months ago
How do you coil the copper pipe around the inner jacket, & is it braised to the steel somehow?
wwrat 11 months ago
good work man...
drivin69 1 year ago
this is really neat and would be really easy to build i wander how hot it could make the water
iwantosavemoney 1 year ago
you struck gold with that hot water heater/chimney!
pyroman675 1 year ago
replace your stove but the rest is cool
man4cannabis 1 year ago
replace your stove
man4cannabis 1 year ago
peaple need to know that a prv valve doesnt just work off of pressure they also work off of temperature set at if you dont have a way too stop the water from heating you will trip the valve people on you tube need to be more carefull about what they tell people to do.not to mention you also have scalding issues and damage to faucets. instead of springs try to find a low amperage box fan to place next to your fire box.big impact for very little electric.
216252lou 1 year ago
look for a book called handmade hot water systems on the net
yinglyca 1 year ago
Love your videos- really appreciate you. I was wondering if you have considered a solar hot water heater for the warm months when you don't run the wood burning stove. I've seen them made of old water heaters with the shell removed and painted flat black. If you have a video on this that I missed, please forgive me :-)
jklstewart 1 year ago
@jklstewart That's a good topic for another video some day. I do have a camping shower purchased in a camping store which consists of a large black plastic bag that you hang in the sun. After a few hours the water is hot and you can take a shower under it (it includes a shower head attached to the bag-a very simple device but ingenious as well.)
thenewsurvivalist 1 year ago
Thanks for the great video. Do you have trouble with creosote buildup in the horizontal parts or turns in your stovepipe? Are there any other things to watch out for with a horizontal stovepipe? I love that idea.
ArlynB101 1 year ago
@ArlynB101 I regularly burn the creosote remover. Additionally, I periodically take the pipes apart and check them. I have a steel brush to run through them when needed. Yes, it is something to watch out for to prevent flue fires.
thenewsurvivalist 1 year ago
i thought the springs were simple but genius great vid
toob247 1 year ago
Any updates on this?
Clicklc1500 1 year ago
@Clicklc1500 It has taken me a while to find a used water heater that is just the right size (small.) I just recently found one (10 gal) at an estate sale for $15. Now that I have the water heater I can continue with the project when I have time (the key.) I will make a new video (part 2) when it is completed.
thenewsurvivalist 1 year ago
Hi,
I've got a question. Do you think there is a health benefit to eating with sterling flatware rather than stainless steel? Would there be any beneficial silver transfer to the body? Oops this belongs on your colloidal silver video- very good by the way.
Thanks
John
VintageWorkbench 1 year ago
@VintageWorkbench Yes, to some degree, but not because you ingest the silver but because it kills germs on contact. People used to keep food in silver containers because it was a sort of food preserver. Farmers used to drop a silver dollar in the bottom of their milk containers because they learned that the milk would keep longer before it spoiled. The Ancient Romans used silver containers to help purify water and keep it fresh longer.
thenewsurvivalist 1 year ago
lets us see how it turns out
parlusk 1 year ago
Great work as always!
rallycsx 1 year ago
Hi, great project. Two questions for you, first, do you not need to install some sort of gasket on the new stove pipe to ensure against carbon dioxide from entering your house, and to send all of the stove exhaust up the chimney? Also, the length of horizontal pipe that you have installed would make me concerned about two things, one creosote build up on either side of that run, and also loss of stack causing exhaust gas to back up again into the stove, or into the living area? Thank you
mitm19 1 year ago
@mitm19 I think you mean carbon monoxide and not carbon dioxide. No gasket is needed. As long as there is a good draft all gases go up the flue. There is a long up shaft (two floors) and the updraft is very strong. But just in case I have a battery operated carbon monoxide detector in the area. Good point. I watch the creosote build up, burning creosote remover periodically and also taking the pipes apart every year or two to check more closely and to run a cleaning brush through them.
thenewsurvivalist 1 year ago
Really great video......
You know what you are doing...
AmericanSurvival101 dot com
AmericanSurvival101 1 year ago