Barret IsCrap, Mil Surplus Scrap Metal. Accuracy International Is Where It's At. Serious Operators Will Know What I'm Saying. .50 Cal Is So Overkill, Less You Be In Combat Shooting Thru Concrete. .338 Lapua Magnum Is More Than Enough For A Thousand Scenarios.
Also, Homeboy From Modern Weapons Is A D-Bag. Oscar Mike
It's interesting that there seems to be a secondary recoil when the casing just begins to be ejected from the ....breech? Is that what you call it? Anyway, when the open barrel is exposed by the recoil, there is a definite burst of energy into the shoulder of the shooter. I'm only guessing but I think it's because once the barrel opens up, the pressure is relieved and the gas expands....thus imparting that into the rear of the weapon instead of down the barrel. Like a steam explosion.
@JetMechMA not quite, but that is very logical thinking. The "secondary" recoil you were speaking of is simply the "original" recoil finally making its way to the shooter. Of course, the recoil is not instantaneous. The recoil of a rifle is generated not when the explosion takes place within the casing, but when the bullet and pressurized gasses exit the barrel. It takes time, and since the video is replayed in very slow motion, it appears as if it takes quite some time.
Scope definitely flexes. The pencil theory has nothing to do with this amount of energy and pressure. Why not mount a pencil to a high power rifle and see what happens in slowmo! Make sure you get a real good sight picture down the edge...douche
@keyedyourcar55 This actually happens on all rifles. This is why buying a quality set of optics is so important. Cheap optics just won't 'hold zero' for this exact reason.
That is correct taken frame by frame it is def. not Illusion
WHERE DID the pencil thing come in to play just take a video of the pencil moving then slow it down not even as much as this video and it will show that the pencil is not bending. Then just Think A little HACKURPUTER GET THE FED'S
That is correct taken frame by frame it is def. not Illusion
WHERE DID the pencil thing come in to play just take a video of the pencil moving then slow it down not even as much as this video and it will show that the pencil is not bending. Then just Think A little
Thats because of the shear size of the bolt release, this combined with the release moving backward and forward then the fact of a 12.7x99mm cartridge exploding causes the whole rifle to bend. In fact if there is a video of the barrel you will see that flex a fraction of a mm.
@tommysixgunner Huge cause you would constantly loose zero. Another thing this shows, that is a huge benefit to me is that the specially designed muzzle break, for example like on a Arm AR50a1, reduces recoil felt at stock to about a 5.56, but that bolt/carrier and receiver are still taking the punch of a 50bmg full on, so anything mounted to the receiver needs to be tough high quality
why does it look like the bullet is still on the shell when it rotates out the first time @0:22 but then when it rotates around the next time it's not there anymore?
@dontmakemeMAD1990 sry, i miss understood you. i dont know of any company's that make a 50 without a rotating bolt. i dont think you can make one without a rotating bolt because there is no other system strong enough to contain the pressure without failing. good luck with the search though.
i say its the railing flexing not the scope. its an illusion that the scope seems to be flexing caused by the the rail. just like holding a pencil at one end move it at a up and down motion and it looks like the pencil is bending but clearly it is not.
@hackurputer That analogy doesn't apply in this case. The pencil illusion only works because the pencil is moving faster than your eye can register in "frames", so what your brain fills in gives the illusion that the pencil is bending. This is a highspeed video, you see every single frame because the video is slowed down to such a degree that something that may happen over a few milliseconds is stretched out over 30 or more seconds.
@BrianMDPhD wrong, the way highspeed video works is the video is taken at a high framerate (lets say 1000FPS) then is edited to a much slower framerate (again lets just say 30FPS), so even though the video seems slower it still runs at quality standard FPS and your eyes wont be able to pick up on every frame. BUT this gun is actually flexing and isn't just a "pencil illusion"
@BrianMDPhD i know, but you said that it couldn't be a pencil effect because of slow frame rates. i guess what im trying to say is just because its slow motion doesn't meen the frame rate is slow, its just not as fast as it could be...
@zenthex1234 right but wrong about editing the high fps its not edited its just run at the standard broadcast frame rate something like 28 frames per second, most high end cameras can do this very simply now and from camera its upload-able as broadcast quality!
@BrianMDPhD I understand what you're saying, but it may or may not actually hold true depending on how the camera's shutter functions. The 'pencil illusion analogy' as you term it, may in fact apply depending on the camera's shutter.
Different shutters can exhibit extremely odd behavior -- just do an image search on Google for "iphone rolling shutter" to see what I'm talking about.
@SacredByte That too is something entirely different. The effect of a rolling shutter often results in video appearing as being "wavy" when subject to extreme conditions or speeds. It is not a flaw, but merely a technicality of the new CMOS sensors after they did away with CCD. I still run 3CCD cameras for my work because they are less prone to the rolling shutter effects.
@hackurputer No man, the amount of force exerted on that whole system is enough to flex the barrel, as you can clearly see. If the barrel is flexing, the scope will definitely flex...
Even a 308 is going to have significant flex the difference is the optics on that riffle are probably above $2k and can handle that over and over and over again. You will also notice that the scope rail is floated which you will not find on a typical riffle.
actually I dont think its any fault in the scope.. I believe this could be resolved by extending and fastening the rear end of the scope mount.. if you watch the shuttering started at the back where it wasnt screwed down to the receiver.. and put stress on the rest of the mount.. and the scope it's self.
Example of why machined steel receivers are resilient to stress...no flex. No doubt scope would lose zero after a few shots. As for quality of scope, 'namen' and price has nothing to do with application.....a quality air rifle will damage the best scope not designed for the recoil process. One century after the Civil War Whitworth rifle, Peter Kokalis added a 'tube' to M2 0.50 BMG to make it a sniper. IF you want accuracy, heavy barrel receiver bedded floating handguard.
@obeyance No doubt Kokalis and Hathcorn did this and became 'legends' but it created long range target guns built by hobbyists using the Browning 0.50 cartridge. Barret picked up on this and military followed after. Two military officers took a Gatling from West Point adding a belt to a washing machine motor. Legends are built upon what people have seen.
@mbsells77 Ah yes I do in fact realise that the scope is a schmidt and bender as was my observation as to why one would chose it. as well as pretty much ALL ACCURACY INTERNATIONALS COME WITH SCHMIDT AND BENDER. and flexing wasnt my point. NOT LOSING YOUR ZERO due to flexing was my point.
@kiwiSgtMaj Scope can be a S&B, Redfield, Weaver, Nikon or even the Chinese made. Upon recoil, scope should retain ZERO after firing. Fault due to improper mounting upon a rifle of such power.. Scope for my M1A/M14 weighs nearly two pounds and one should expect some flex but mount has to be resilient.
@peterann1 Pardon me but I have NEVER seen a weaver (or any other listed) on an accuracy international sent factory. If you want to mount said brands on a weapon of that grade thats your business. But in my opinion, doing so would result the same as putting pirelli tires on a donkey cart. Not to mention accuracy international has been around for many years and has the benefit of feedback from the earth's hardest trained forces. I think theyve got it. Im sure they'll be ok.
@kiwiSgtMaj Misunderstanding. Factory mountings are always the best with factory machinings and factory supplied scope IF you can afford. This video is WHAT NOT TO DO as obviously constructor had a few screws loose. I think what your saying is that the firearm is lacking much.
Everyone watching needs to be reminded that the gun was designed to do this. Every critical aspect of the Barrett XM was designed to absorb the recoil from the round, to make re-acquire on the target more favorable for the shooter. With a decent scope that can survive it, this is one hell of a weapon to say the very least.
The gun is certainly designed to do this.....but the rail and mount are not.....A scope that carries the bulk of its weight on the objective side and is as long as this scope in the video needs to have a double ring up front. This will greatly reduce the scope vibration and in turn will reduce the rail flex. This makes a huge difference in downrange accuracy especially after multiple shots.
Again, no its not, it is an Accuracy International AS-50. Please note the windage turret on the Schmitt and Bender scope, it also carries the Accuracy International logo, as Schmitt and Bender is the exclusive suppler to full up kitted AI rifles. Secondly, this is not a Barrett receiver, as I own an M-107. No longer called an XM as they are far beyond the field trials stage. Please see the Accuracy International website for further details on this AS-50 rifle!
People who think this means the gun sucks need to consider that there is basically a small grenade exploding in the chamber. The fact that it actually stays together is a miracle of design in itself.
if you actually think, you would know that useing steel would be more expensive in the long run due to parts braking cuz its not flexible. and remember theres a large exposion happening in the chamber. and would you like to be running around iraq with a weapon that weighs just as much as an average female by useing steel. the titanium is what makes the weapon one of the best in the world.
Titanium is heavier than steel, So your weight argument is invalid. Then, Your steel argument is also null, Because steel, properly tempered, Is still cheaper than Titanium, More rigid, Less brittle, and heat resistant. Titanium's worst enemy is heat. And steel breaking wouldn't be that expensive to replace, It's the Number one recycled material in the world, And costs less than $1 a pound.
Titanium is a hardness far greater than many types of unalloyed steel. 65% the density of steel and Certain titanium alloys achieve tensile strengths of over 200,000 psi. Properly alloyed it is actually suprisingly elastic even though it is less apt to bend in the first place. Heat resistance is one of titanium's main marketability features. It melts at 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. Where as high carbon steel melts at 1150 or so degrees. Titanium is to flexible to line barrels.
Titanium is NOT heavier than steel. Where do you get your information? Titanium is the "GO TO" material for the aerospace industry, is extremely heat friendly, and for your information, weighs approximately 1/3 the weight for the same mass of steel.
Aluminum is the "Go to" material for aerospace. Its significantly lighter than either Steel or Titanium. And the heated areas, They "Go to" Carbon. And since when is Titanium(A significantly denser metal) lighter than ANY grade steel, Not to mention high carbon steel.
Hate to nay you on that one, but I shoot, and I work in aerospace. Aluminum is the go to material for commercial aircraft, structurally and skin wise. Almost all of your front line military aircraft are built almost exclusively out of titanium and carbon fiber these days. Titanium is not as dense as steel, as for the same volume of material, lets say for example, one cubic foot of steel, the same volume of Titanium would weigh only a third as much!
Ok, A-10 Made of Aircraft grade Aluminum, The only Titanium on it, is the cockpit, To protect the Pilot. F-22, Aircraft Grade Aluminum, B-52 Aluminum, AH-64D Longbow, Only Titanium there, Once again Cockpit. The only common usage of titanium on the battlefield is in SLAP rounds for a .50. Prove me wrong, I spent 7 years in Afghanistan, And am still in the military, Just I get a rest on Campbell. And mild Steel, Which is a heavy steel is only 50% more dense. No way the high grade steels would be.
Oh Jesus! Actually the F-22 is mainly titanium and boron carbon fiber pre preg. A SLAP round had no titanium and actually has a Tungsten core. My point was, were lighter structures are concerned, titanium is much stronger than aluminum, much lighter than steel, and much more costly. Titanium is VERY hard to refine, hence its cost. And the Apache has a lot more titanium in it other than the cockpit. Transmission buttress is titanium, so are all of the bulkeads.
The B-52 is far to old to have any titanium in it, wasn't popular back in the 50's when she was built. The A-10 uses lateral spar straps made out of titanium, engine cowlings are titanium. And just so you know, I helped to built the F-22, all of its structure is either titanium or BCF pre-preg. And there is no such thing as aircraft grade aluminum. Aluminum is categorized by its alloy. 2024-0, then you have 5056 series which is a copper alloy, and then 6061 and 7075.
Only the vital components on the A-10 have titanium, Because it's a support craft. Also, Don't you just Love Bull shitters? I work for Lockheed Martin in King of Prussia PA. And I have since I got out. Got a job from my Father in law who worked on the XF-22 project at Skunk works. I know what an F-22 is made out of, I also know what kind of engines it uses, the kind of paint it uses, Right down to the location of its radar, Which is NOT nose mounted contrary to popular belief.
Fail... The Radar system is located in the tail fins of the aircraft, It doesn't use a standard radar system. I work on this stuff all day. I work 6 days a week, 8am-6pm. This is what I do.
If you remove the nose cone of an F-22 Raptor there is an array dish located there. It is an AP/S-77 AESA radar. The antenna in the vertical tails are part of the passive sensor array. Please stop trying so fucking hard, I'm trying to help not have a slapfest with you. And please learn the difference between the active array radar and the passive sensors.
@FishTheMargins The scope and base are designed to flex like that. They are also designed to return to the exact same point as before the flexing. Most scopes don't take multiple rounds with a .50BMG before they fail, but some are engineered to withstand that kind of punishment. Its all about how much money you want to spend on optics.
@csmybuttt I know it's unrealistic to expect absolutely no wobbling, but still, titanium gives and bends more than most other metals. They used it to save weight, but it won't hold as tight a shot pattern as it would if it were made out of steel or even aluminum.
Wrong! I'll let Gail McMillan know that he is building inferior rifles out of titaniam then. Oh of course then there is PGW of Canada who supplies most of the sniper systems to the Canadian army, you know, the ones with the worlds longest recorded kill. By the way, their TImberwolf rifle can be had with both steel and titanium receivers, they both shoot equally as well! Get your facts straight, titanium is right at home in a modern precision rifle!
@sakoshooter48 If they shoot equally well then what's the point of making them both? I haven't compared steel recievers and titanium ones, but I've ridden high-tensile steel, chromoly, and titanium bike frames, and the titanium frame was definitely the least sturdy. People use both titanium and carbon fiber to make racing frames because of the lighter weight. The carbon fiber is lighter, but it doesn't bend or give like titanium does, it just snaps when stresed. Titanium wobbles to avoid that.
It is obvious to me you have never trundles about all day with a 60 -90 pound pack attached to your back. Weight is always an issue with soldiers, the same goes for the rifles they carry. My Sako TRG-42 weighs almost 16 pounds ready to go, scope, ammo,sling, etc. My Timberwolf in .338 Lap. with the Titanium receiver and the carbon wrapped barrel only weighs 12.7 pounds. When you carry it all day it makes a huge difference.
I have never heard of anyone having to lug around a .50 cal anti-materiel rifle all day. An M40A3 or an M24A2, sure, but never a Barrett or MacMillan. I've only ever heard of .50 cal rifles being used primarily in a defensive security role in places like the Green Zone. Never heard of anyone having to take one up in the Afghan mountains on foot recon for a week or anything like that. I didn't know they could make titanium that rigid either. And I can't believe your .338 only weighs 12 pounds!
It does, the Christiansen carbon wrapped barrel is where all of the weight savings are. Unfortunately they cost over $1100 per barrel. Friends of mine in the 'Stan have lugged Barretts, McMillans, all over the mountains their looking for the Talibanditos! Really, .50's do get carried!
Yeah, I know, a bolt-action Tac50. It's supposed to be the most accurate .50 BMG rifle ever made. The SEALs use one with a detachable 5-round box mag, but I don't know what kind of setup the Canadians use.
@338dmac My scout platoon had some snipers that would carry the .50 around. Kept it in the humvee for the most part, but some times they'd take it out & set up OPs for route security in Yusefiah, southwest of Baghdad.
Yeah, that's what I mean; it's usually a couple of guys who take a .50 up to their perch and then sit on it for a while for security and overwatch reasons.
@JonathanWKnight IGNORE!!!! Some people have idle time to say bad things which 1st Amendement allows, even on internet. In China, internet 'beakies' would dispatch police to your home for posting such things.
@peterann1 I just want to make clear so there is no confusion about this. The Scopes you mentioned are my forelabeled analogy of the cart, the rifle being the wheels.
No it doesn't. Depending on the titanium alloy, say 6Al4V, it can be as rigid as the same amount of steel, provided the design is correct. I have a .338 Lapua Mag. rifle with a titanium receiver and a carbon fiber barrel, what do you think of them apples? An it will hold a sub minute group out to and beyond 1500yds. It is strong enough to make primary structure out of on aircraft. The PW4090 engine on the B-777 has a titanium fan case wrapped in Kevlar.
The Trijicon TA648-50: ACOG 6x48 Scope won't do this. It is not a mil.dot scope, but hell, who needs a mil dot at 1000 yards with a 50 cal. Right?
MasterBlasterRGR 2 months ago
@MasterBlasterRGR the TA648-50 is a 6x scope.... not vary useful at 1k and farther
russr 2 months ago
@MasterBlasterRGR
Joking right?
drbackjack 1 month ago
if u freez at 0:21 the shell looks like the bullet is in it still?
wtfzweb 5 months ago
@wtfzweb Naw, the top of the brass where it is necked is just coated with burnt powder, giving it a different appearance from the rest of the brass.
aberry9475 4 months ago
@aberry9475 that's actually where its been annealed
jrmyscttwds 3 months ago
The biggest surprise is that an MP-5 in 9mm Parabellum, with an aimpoint Comp ML is just as bad..
swrxiii 5 months ago
That rail needs to be more secure.
EVYNROCKS115 5 months ago
the instant the primer was hit u whole freaking gun moved. damm hell of a load lol
ViolentEncounter 6 months ago
AS-50 FTW hahah
MrDip02 6 months ago
does anyone know how many foot pounds of energy in a .50bmg?
hasnachos 6 months ago
@hasnachos The bullet? Or the recoil?
OldManNipples 6 months ago
@OldManNipples bullet.
hasnachos 6 months ago
@hasnachos Any where from 13,000 - almost 15,000 ft pounds. Depends on the load.
OldManNipples 6 months ago
@hasnachos It's over 9000!!!!
iviaverick52 6 months ago
@hasnachos I memorize force in joules, and certain loads of .50 go over 20 kilojoules.
OldMan's probably right.
karinosai 4 months ago
soo if that gun can do that to itself...you should definatly be scared if ur on the receving end
sgtlegendkiller 6 months ago
that's some serious kinetic energy being released there
AgdrAgon999 6 months ago
someone needs a re-zero :P
LemoneyFishmas 8 months ago
Interesting video. It appears the base rail isn't properly secured to the rifle. The flex of the scope is to be expected.
JonFoster48386 8 months ago
Sieg Heil Schmidt & Bender, am beste der Welt!!!!
Scharfschutze1972 8 months ago
lookz like thatd do some damage to the scope in the right conditions. no bueno
DJlobo702 8 months ago
Watching anything on the Discovery channel is a waste of time with commercials every couple minutes and I do mean every couple minutes!
YouTube still reigns!
1LonePuma 9 months ago 11
Barret IsCrap, Mil Surplus Scrap Metal. Accuracy International Is Where It's At. Serious Operators Will Know What I'm Saying. .50 Cal Is So Overkill, Less You Be In Combat Shooting Thru Concrete. .338 Lapua Magnum Is More Than Enough For A Thousand Scenarios.
Also, Homeboy From Modern Weapons Is A D-Bag. Oscar Mike
prswhore 9 months ago
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prswhore 9 months ago
this makes me cringe...just watched a video of the m82 in slow motion and the scope and rail stay solid.
henson111 9 months ago
that scope cost like $2,700 already..
Vietboy1st 9 months ago
every thing else on that sexy gun is solid
namelessbob22 10 months ago
dammmmm.....hes balddd
HyperTyphoon 10 months ago
lol the two highest comments contradict one another.
a2redneck 11 months ago 2
I don't think it's a problem, snipers are using these rifles everyday to kill guys at over 1500 meters.
semiautoriflelover 11 months ago
@semiautoriflelover Shots at that distance are rarely taken....
Dmac11a666 10 months ago
It's interesting that there seems to be a secondary recoil when the casing just begins to be ejected from the ....breech? Is that what you call it? Anyway, when the open barrel is exposed by the recoil, there is a definite burst of energy into the shoulder of the shooter. I'm only guessing but I think it's because once the barrel opens up, the pressure is relieved and the gas expands....thus imparting that into the rear of the weapon instead of down the barrel. Like a steam explosion.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA not quite, but that is very logical thinking. The "secondary" recoil you were speaking of is simply the "original" recoil finally making its way to the shooter. Of course, the recoil is not instantaneous. The recoil of a rifle is generated not when the explosion takes place within the casing, but when the bullet and pressurized gasses exit the barrel. It takes time, and since the video is replayed in very slow motion, it appears as if it takes quite some time.
nathandonner2 11 months ago
@nathandonner2: It takes time, and since the video is replayed in very slow motion, it appears as if it takes quite some time.
JM: I see then. Thanks.
JetMechMA 11 months ago
Scope definitely flexes. The pencil theory has nothing to do with this amount of energy and pressure. Why not mount a pencil to a high power rifle and see what happens in slowmo! Make sure you get a real good sight picture down the edge...douche
vdub089 1 year ago
this thing puts out 15,000 ft. lbs of torque out of the muzzle. anything will flex at that kind of stress
hunterman907 1 year ago
@hunterman907 energy.... not torque.
bullets push. they don't create a turning force
F=ma
T=rxF
(x is the vector product)
same units though.
irishhotti2 1 year ago
@irishhotti2
Have you ever heard of rifling?
Do you know that bullets fired from a rifled barrel spin in flight?
Do you know how they acquire the spin?
Hint: the barrel applies a "torque"
spammop 10 months ago
that cant be good for long term accuracy.
keyedyourcar55 1 year ago
@keyedyourcar55 This actually happens on all rifles. This is why buying a quality set of optics is so important. Cheap optics just won't 'hold zero' for this exact reason.
spiderpig85 1 year ago
if the scope didnt flex it would break..just like anything else.
bogey19018 1 year ago
That is correct taken frame by frame it is def. not Illusion
WHERE DID the pencil thing come in to play just take a video of the pencil moving then slow it down not even as much as this video and it will show that the pencil is not bending. Then just Think A little HACKURPUTER GET THE FED'S
lk300mag 1 year ago
That is correct taken frame by frame it is def. not Illusion
WHERE DID the pencil thing come in to play just take a video of the pencil moving then slow it down not even as much as this video and it will show that the pencil is not bending. Then just Think A little
lk300mag 1 year ago
ass-bender.
Vore667 1 year ago
OVERKILL!!!
123fire77 1 year ago
I don't know about barrel flex, but my head snaps forward when I shoot my 50 BMG Bohica 24" or my 30" uppers.
tcwaterman 1 year ago
Thats because of the shear size of the bolt release, this combined with the release moving backward and forward then the fact of a 12.7x99mm cartridge exploding causes the whole rifle to bend. In fact if there is a video of the barrel you will see that flex a fraction of a mm.
ashdavies100 1 year ago
Thats the british AS 50
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GunloverClark 1 year ago
thats why its every important to buy expensive base scope mounts and scope to endure the shock otherewise youll have floating moa
hambone950 1 year ago
@dontmakemeMAD1990 isn't there a .308 vssk variation?
Moopzoo 1 year ago
@Moopzoo i think not
btw, you didnt replied me
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
Im curious how that will affect accuracy on any follow up shots
tommysixgunner 1 year ago
@tommysixgunner Huge cause you would constantly loose zero. Another thing this shows, that is a huge benefit to me is that the specially designed muzzle break, for example like on a Arm AR50a1, reduces recoil felt at stock to about a 5.56, but that bolt/carrier and receiver are still taking the punch of a 50bmg full on, so anything mounted to the receiver needs to be tough high quality
Tardeder 1 year ago
why does it look like the bullet is still on the shell when it rotates out the first time @0:22 but then when it rotates around the next time it's not there anymore?
MrRauq 1 year ago
@MrRauq It doesn't look like that at all to me. I see a spent shell from the moment of ejection until its out of frame.
CyberAsomatous 1 year ago
its an accuracy international as .50
boogieman221thx 1 year ago
its a 50BMG! there will be wobble unless you want a 200lb rifle
molemanlivesagain 1 year ago
Lol. 0:17 His face kinda gets pushed in.
sonicdragan5 1 year ago
itd be funny if the shell flys out and somehow hits him in the head
MrWatthefudgecakes 1 year ago
does annyone know if there is an .50bmg rifle thats straight pul bolt action whit an detachabe magazine ?
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
ya barrett makes one, but it has a nice price tag to go with it. and everyone wants a 50. till they find out how much the ammo is for it.
jarhead2966 1 year ago
@jarhead2966 isnt that an rotating bolt action sniper rifle ?
i mean straight pul bolt action
it is quicker to reload then an rotating bolt action
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
@dontmakemeMAD1990 sry, i miss understood you. i dont know of any company's that make a 50 without a rotating bolt. i dont think you can make one without a rotating bolt because there is no other system strong enough to contain the pressure without failing. good luck with the search though.
jarhead2966 1 year ago
@jarhead2966 last is not true
no offence though
but maybe you will find it interesting to know there are guns like that
they have more accuraty then semi automatic rifles, but relead quicker
there are not manny like that though
examples: steyr mannlicher m95 and vssk vychlop
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
@jarhead2966 ps: the last example is an .50 caliber rifle, but no .50bmg
it fires an other special purpose .50 caliber bullet
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
This is why you cant use cheap replica or airsoft/airgun scopes on real steel rifles
yesssigotmail 1 year ago
hahaha! It makes you wonder how the hell people shoot straight when it looks like stuff is made of jelly :P
Furicist 1 year ago
finaly, a gummy 50 cal. where did you get it
jerry3788 1 year ago
@jerry3788 Omnomnom.......*BANG*
zombiehunter96 1 year ago
i say its the railing flexing not the scope. its an illusion that the scope seems to be flexing caused by the the rail. just like holding a pencil at one end move it at a up and down motion and it looks like the pencil is bending but clearly it is not.
hackurputer 1 year ago 2
@hackurputer yea ur right i watched it like 5003037272138413942386492812364389229834698234times and i agree with ur theory !
OnmassTv 1 year ago
@hackurputer That analogy doesn't apply in this case. The pencil illusion only works because the pencil is moving faster than your eye can register in "frames", so what your brain fills in gives the illusion that the pencil is bending. This is a highspeed video, you see every single frame because the video is slowed down to such a degree that something that may happen over a few milliseconds is stretched out over 30 or more seconds.
BrianMDPhD 1 year ago 50
@BrianMDPhD wrong, the way highspeed video works is the video is taken at a high framerate (lets say 1000FPS) then is edited to a much slower framerate (again lets just say 30FPS), so even though the video seems slower it still runs at quality standard FPS and your eyes wont be able to pick up on every frame. BUT this gun is actually flexing and isn't just a "pencil illusion"
zenthex1234 10 months ago
@zenthex1234 I think you're misreading my comment, you just reinforced what I said.
BrianMDPhD 10 months ago
@BrianMDPhD i know, but you said that it couldn't be a pencil effect because of slow frame rates. i guess what im trying to say is just because its slow motion doesn't meen the frame rate is slow, its just not as fast as it could be...
zenthex1234 10 months ago
@zenthex1234 right but wrong about editing the high fps its not edited its just run at the standard broadcast frame rate something like 28 frames per second, most high end cameras can do this very simply now and from camera its upload-able as broadcast quality!
sketchbomber 8 months ago
@sketchbomber it doesn't have to be edited but it is slowed down. the same way that censores are added...
zenthex1234 8 months ago
@BrianMDPhD I understand what you're saying, but it may or may not actually hold true depending on how the camera's shutter functions. The 'pencil illusion analogy' as you term it, may in fact apply depending on the camera's shutter.
Different shutters can exhibit extremely odd behavior -- just do an image search on Google for "iphone rolling shutter" to see what I'm talking about.
SacredByte 8 months ago
@SacredByte That too is something entirely different. The effect of a rolling shutter often results in video appearing as being "wavy" when subject to extreme conditions or speeds. It is not a flaw, but merely a technicality of the new CMOS sensors after they did away with CCD. I still run 3CCD cameras for my work because they are less prone to the rolling shutter effects.
BrianMDPhD 8 months ago
@hackurputer No man, the amount of force exerted on that whole system is enough to flex the barrel, as you can clearly see. If the barrel is flexing, the scope will definitely flex...
spiderpig85 1 year ago
its the railing flexing not the scope. plus on the second angle you can see the entire gun flex
mkho 1 year ago
WOW Pretty interesting
mesquiteguy1221 1 year ago
Even a 308 is going to have significant flex the difference is the optics on that riffle are probably above $2k and can handle that over and over and over again. You will also notice that the scope rail is floated which you will not find on a typical riffle.
givmedew 1 year ago
Is that an AS50?
ekici123 1 year ago
@ekici123 ye
blacksoilder10 1 year ago
@ekici123
Correct, Accuracy International AS50
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
Is this a scope mounted by a factory armourer? Whoever is incompentent!
Axbent 1 year ago
Flex is good! The trick is makeing it all come back to the exact same place every time it flex's. And they did.
bigdaddy1325 1 year ago
that would prolly suck to be left handed, and get hit with the shell.
sackcheck 1 year ago
Scope nothing... check out that dude's face!
qcxkcddmn 1 year ago
correct me if im wrong but was that the as50?
DJHI8JR 1 year ago
actually I dont think its any fault in the scope.. I believe this could be resolved by extending and fastening the rear end of the scope mount.. if you watch the shuttering started at the back where it wasnt screwed down to the receiver.. and put stress on the rest of the mount.. and the scope it's self.
JTD19881369 1 year ago
@JTD19881369 Sight rail was NOT properly secured as we have seen
peterann1 1 year ago
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@JTD19881369 Sight rail was NOT properly secured as we have seen
peterann1 1 year ago
Example of why machined steel receivers are resilient to stress...no flex. No doubt scope would lose zero after a few shots. As for quality of scope, 'namen' and price has nothing to do with application.....a quality air rifle will damage the best scope not designed for the recoil process. One century after the Civil War Whitworth rifle, Peter Kokalis added a 'tube' to M2 0.50 BMG to make it a sniper. IF you want accuracy, heavy barrel receiver bedded floating handguard.
peterann1 1 year ago
@peterann1 On shot one kill at over a mile away.. Using an M2 with "tube" =p. Kokalis = legend.
obeyance 1 year ago
@obeyance No doubt Kokalis and Hathcorn did this and became 'legends' but it created long range target guns built by hobbyists using the Browning 0.50 cartridge. Barret picked up on this and military followed after. Two military officers took a Gatling from West Point adding a belt to a washing machine motor. Legends are built upon what people have seen.
peterann1 1 year ago
arfcom is a bunch of faggot niggers
niggerObamaHasAIDS 1 year ago
@niggerObamaHasAIDS hahah
awinski999 1 year ago
super bien filmer.genial
momo9544 1 year ago
cal .50?
Aqek2 1 year ago
Thnx for the instructions!
Semper Fi!
GanjaClaus 1 year ago
@ddmo2 For a while ;)
CTyler7 1 year ago
It's amazing how scopes can keep their zero so well...
ddmo2 1 year ago
Thats just another reason one would chose to use quality optics when firing high calibres. schmidt and bender is one of the best.
kiwiSgtMaj 1 year ago 7
@kiwiSgtMaj you realize the irony in the brand name right?
Monkeynuts502 1 year ago
@kiwiSgtMaj You do realize that scope is a Scmidt and Bender- yet it still flexes.
mbsells77 1 year ago
@mbsells77 Ah yes I do in fact realise that the scope is a schmidt and bender as was my observation as to why one would chose it. as well as pretty much ALL ACCURACY INTERNATIONALS COME WITH SCHMIDT AND BENDER. and flexing wasnt my point. NOT LOSING YOUR ZERO due to flexing was my point.
kiwiSgtMaj 1 year ago
@kiwiSgtMaj Scope can be a S&B, Redfield, Weaver, Nikon or even the Chinese made. Upon recoil, scope should retain ZERO after firing. Fault due to improper mounting upon a rifle of such power.. Scope for my M1A/M14 weighs nearly two pounds and one should expect some flex but mount has to be resilient.
peterann1 1 year ago
@peterann1 Pardon me but I have NEVER seen a weaver (or any other listed) on an accuracy international sent factory. If you want to mount said brands on a weapon of that grade thats your business. But in my opinion, doing so would result the same as putting pirelli tires on a donkey cart. Not to mention accuracy international has been around for many years and has the benefit of feedback from the earth's hardest trained forces. I think theyve got it. Im sure they'll be ok.
kiwiSgtMaj 1 year ago
@kiwiSgtMaj Misunderstanding. Factory mountings are always the best with factory machinings and factory supplied scope IF you can afford. This video is WHAT NOT TO DO as obviously constructor had a few screws loose. I think what your saying is that the firearm is lacking much.
peterann1 1 year ago
@kiwiSgtMaj
Your right they make even scopes like the 5-25x56.
crazypaintballer97 1 year ago
pretty incredible. nice capture.
pacificcoast 1 year ago
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That stuff is bad quality
holidayspecialoo 1 year ago
@holidayspecialoo
Schmidt & Bender is bad quality?
LOOOOL
CatesBoy3 1 year ago
if there was no flex it would crack and bend permanently
trueblue151 2 years ago
Bet my bb gun has more recoi ... jk lol
AVP181 2 years ago
Everyone watching needs to be reminded that the gun was designed to do this. Every critical aspect of the Barrett XM was designed to absorb the recoil from the round, to make re-acquire on the target more favorable for the shooter. With a decent scope that can survive it, this is one hell of a weapon to say the very least.
ptschafer 2 years ago
The gun is certainly designed to do this.....but the rail and mount are not.....A scope that carries the bulk of its weight on the objective side and is as long as this scope in the video needs to have a double ring up front. This will greatly reduce the scope vibration and in turn will reduce the rail flex. This makes a huge difference in downrange accuracy especially after multiple shots.
lowdenlover 2 years ago
To bad it's not a Barrett!
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
@sakoshooter48 yes it is a Barrett, a Barrett XM107 to be exact.
ptschafer 2 years ago
Again, no its not, it is an Accuracy International AS-50. Please note the windage turret on the Schmitt and Bender scope, it also carries the Accuracy International logo, as Schmitt and Bender is the exclusive suppler to full up kitted AI rifles. Secondly, this is not a Barrett receiver, as I own an M-107. No longer called an XM as they are far beyond the field trials stage. Please see the Accuracy International website for further details on this AS-50 rifle!
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
People who think this means the gun sucks need to consider that there is basically a small grenade exploding in the chamber. The fact that it actually stays together is a miracle of design in itself.
MrSniper16 2 years ago
if you actually think, you would know that useing steel would be more expensive in the long run due to parts braking cuz its not flexible. and remember theres a large exposion happening in the chamber. and would you like to be running around iraq with a weapon that weighs just as much as an average female by useing steel. the titanium is what makes the weapon one of the best in the world.
matthewpaulvital 2 years ago
Titanium is heavier than steel, So your weight argument is invalid. Then, Your steel argument is also null, Because steel, properly tempered, Is still cheaper than Titanium, More rigid, Less brittle, and heat resistant. Titanium's worst enemy is heat. And steel breaking wouldn't be that expensive to replace, It's the Number one recycled material in the world, And costs less than $1 a pound.
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FredCheckers 2 years ago
@FredCheckers Tell that to aphsknight74, unless of course that's who that comment was directed at anyway...
338dmac 2 years ago
That comment was directed at him. Woops.
FredCheckers 2 years ago
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@ aphsknight74
Titanium is a hardness far greater than many types of unalloyed steel. 65% the density of steel and Certain titanium alloys achieve tensile strengths of over 200,000 psi. Properly alloyed it is actually suprisingly elastic even though it is less apt to bend in the first place. Heat resistance is one of titanium's main marketability features. It melts at 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. Where as high carbon steel melts at 1150 or so degrees. Titanium is to flexible to line barrels.
FredCheckers 2 years ago
Titanium is NOT heavier than steel. Where do you get your information? Titanium is the "GO TO" material for the aerospace industry, is extremely heat friendly, and for your information, weighs approximately 1/3 the weight for the same mass of steel.
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
Aluminum is the "Go to" material for aerospace. Its significantly lighter than either Steel or Titanium. And the heated areas, They "Go to" Carbon. And since when is Titanium(A significantly denser metal) lighter than ANY grade steel, Not to mention high carbon steel.
aphsknight74 2 years ago
Hate to nay you on that one, but I shoot, and I work in aerospace. Aluminum is the go to material for commercial aircraft, structurally and skin wise. Almost all of your front line military aircraft are built almost exclusively out of titanium and carbon fiber these days. Titanium is not as dense as steel, as for the same volume of material, lets say for example, one cubic foot of steel, the same volume of Titanium would weigh only a third as much!
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
Ok, A-10 Made of Aircraft grade Aluminum, The only Titanium on it, is the cockpit, To protect the Pilot. F-22, Aircraft Grade Aluminum, B-52 Aluminum, AH-64D Longbow, Only Titanium there, Once again Cockpit. The only common usage of titanium on the battlefield is in SLAP rounds for a .50. Prove me wrong, I spent 7 years in Afghanistan, And am still in the military, Just I get a rest on Campbell. And mild Steel, Which is a heavy steel is only 50% more dense. No way the high grade steels would be.
aphsknight74 2 years ago
Oh Jesus! Actually the F-22 is mainly titanium and boron carbon fiber pre preg. A SLAP round had no titanium and actually has a Tungsten core. My point was, were lighter structures are concerned, titanium is much stronger than aluminum, much lighter than steel, and much more costly. Titanium is VERY hard to refine, hence its cost. And the Apache has a lot more titanium in it other than the cockpit. Transmission buttress is titanium, so are all of the bulkeads.
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
The B-52 is far to old to have any titanium in it, wasn't popular back in the 50's when she was built. The A-10 uses lateral spar straps made out of titanium, engine cowlings are titanium. And just so you know, I helped to built the F-22, all of its structure is either titanium or BCF pre-preg. And there is no such thing as aircraft grade aluminum. Aluminum is categorized by its alloy. 2024-0, then you have 5056 series which is a copper alloy, and then 6061 and 7075.
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
Only the vital components on the A-10 have titanium, Because it's a support craft. Also, Don't you just Love Bull shitters? I work for Lockheed Martin in King of Prussia PA. And I have since I got out. Got a job from my Father in law who worked on the XF-22 project at Skunk works. I know what an F-22 is made out of, I also know what kind of engines it uses, the kind of paint it uses, Right down to the location of its radar, Which is NOT nose mounted contrary to popular belief.
aphsknight74 2 years ago
Actually the AESA radar is located in the nose, the whole aircraft is part of the passive sensor array.
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
Fail... The Radar system is located in the tail fins of the aircraft, It doesn't use a standard radar system. I work on this stuff all day. I work 6 days a week, 8am-6pm. This is what I do.
aphsknight74 2 years ago
If you remove the nose cone of an F-22 Raptor there is an array dish located there. It is an AP/S-77 AESA radar. The antenna in the vertical tails are part of the passive sensor array. Please stop trying so fucking hard, I'm trying to help not have a slapfest with you. And please learn the difference between the active array radar and the passive sensors.
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
I wonder how long the scope holds a zero under conditions like that?
FishTheMargins 2 years ago 17
@FishTheMargins probally a specila scope made for those conditions able to hold said zero for longer than that of a regular scope
thefarmer32 1 year ago
@FishTheMargins The scope and base are designed to flex like that. They are also designed to return to the exact same point as before the flexing. Most scopes don't take multiple rounds with a .50BMG before they fail, but some are engineered to withstand that kind of punishment. Its all about how much money you want to spend on optics.
HC130P8419 1 year ago
@HC130P8419 is it meant to be like that ?
i didnt knew that
i always heard the scope must be always on the same position otherwise it is cheap and useless
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
@dontmakemeMAD1990
So when a scope moves, it decreases in price and then does not work?
Go fuck yourself.
1huffmani 1 year ago
@1huffmani hm i dont know everything
looks like iam human after all lol
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
well thats not good the rail is like hopping upa nd down
REAPER3382 2 years ago
Thats the english AS50 for you more wobble then a fat girl in a marathon.
peepers56874346 2 years ago
whoa.. everythin seems to b wobbling , even the mag and the mag release :) and the scope, and
50cent329 2 years ago
thats neat.
foxy358 2 years ago
made in china haha
2strong2handle 2 years ago 2
of course it's going to flex. that's a BAMF round with a bigg ass recoil.
angusyoung9323 2 years ago 2
Well it would be a lot more solid if they didn't make the rifle out of titanium to try to save weight.
338dmac 2 years ago
titanium is even stronger than steel let alone aluminum
rollerpodger 2 years ago
@rollerpodger But who cares? Steel is plenty strong enough and doesn't bend and wiggle like titanium does.
338dmac 2 years ago
Nope. Due to the barrel harmonics and whatnot, everything will flex.
csmybuttt 2 years ago
@csmybuttt I know it's unrealistic to expect absolutely no wobbling, but still, titanium gives and bends more than most other metals. They used it to save weight, but it won't hold as tight a shot pattern as it would if it were made out of steel or even aluminum.
338dmac 2 years ago
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FredCheckers 2 years ago
Wrong! I'll let Gail McMillan know that he is building inferior rifles out of titaniam then. Oh of course then there is PGW of Canada who supplies most of the sniper systems to the Canadian army, you know, the ones with the worlds longest recorded kill. By the way, their TImberwolf rifle can be had with both steel and titanium receivers, they both shoot equally as well! Get your facts straight, titanium is right at home in a modern precision rifle!
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
@sakoshooter48 If they shoot equally well then what's the point of making them both? I haven't compared steel recievers and titanium ones, but I've ridden high-tensile steel, chromoly, and titanium bike frames, and the titanium frame was definitely the least sturdy. People use both titanium and carbon fiber to make racing frames because of the lighter weight. The carbon fiber is lighter, but it doesn't bend or give like titanium does, it just snaps when stresed. Titanium wobbles to avoid that.
338dmac 2 years ago
It is obvious to me you have never trundles about all day with a 60 -90 pound pack attached to your back. Weight is always an issue with soldiers, the same goes for the rifles they carry. My Sako TRG-42 weighs almost 16 pounds ready to go, scope, ammo,sling, etc. My Timberwolf in .338 Lap. with the Titanium receiver and the carbon wrapped barrel only weighs 12.7 pounds. When you carry it all day it makes a huge difference.
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
I have never heard of anyone having to lug around a .50 cal anti-materiel rifle all day. An M40A3 or an M24A2, sure, but never a Barrett or MacMillan. I've only ever heard of .50 cal rifles being used primarily in a defensive security role in places like the Green Zone. Never heard of anyone having to take one up in the Afghan mountains on foot recon for a week or anything like that. I didn't know they could make titanium that rigid either. And I can't believe your .338 only weighs 12 pounds!
338dmac 2 years ago
It does, the Christiansen carbon wrapped barrel is where all of the weight savings are. Unfortunately they cost over $1100 per barrel. Friends of mine in the 'Stan have lugged Barretts, McMillans, all over the mountains their looking for the Talibanditos! Really, .50's do get carried!
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
@338dmac rob furlong (longest confirmed kill) shot in the afgan mountains with a macmillan
copeman89 1 year ago
Yeah, I know, a bolt-action Tac50. It's supposed to be the most accurate .50 BMG rifle ever made. The SEALs use one with a detachable 5-round box mag, but I don't know what kind of setup the Canadians use.
338dmac 1 year ago
@338dmac My scout platoon had some snipers that would carry the .50 around. Kept it in the humvee for the most part, but some times they'd take it out & set up OPs for route security in Yusefiah, southwest of Baghdad.
hazonku 1 year ago
Yeah, that's what I mean; it's usually a couple of guys who take a .50 up to their perch and then sit on it for a while for security and overwatch reasons.
338dmac 1 year ago
@hazonku um....you really want to be saying those kind of details on the internet?
JonathanWKnight 1 year ago
@JonathanWKnight I agree. OPSEC guy.
mattxr2i 1 year ago
@JonathanWKnight IGNORE!!!! Some people have idle time to say bad things which 1st Amendement allows, even on internet. In China, internet 'beakies' would dispatch police to your home for posting such things.
peterann1 1 year ago
@peterann1 I just want to make clear so there is no confusion about this. The Scopes you mentioned are my forelabeled analogy of the cart, the rifle being the wheels.
kiwiSgtMaj 1 year ago
No it doesn't. Depending on the titanium alloy, say 6Al4V, it can be as rigid as the same amount of steel, provided the design is correct. I have a .338 Lapua Mag. rifle with a titanium receiver and a carbon fiber barrel, what do you think of them apples? An it will hold a sub minute group out to and beyond 1500yds. It is strong enough to make primary structure out of on aircraft. The PW4090 engine on the B-777 has a titanium fan case wrapped in Kevlar.