Myth: Government Run or Funded Programs Don't Work

[alistairproductions]

But involuntary government is force and the tyranny of the majority against the minority.

[newexperiment]

I don't think I ever heard someone make the exact sylogism you are debunking. However a close one is A) government programs that don't work don't necessarily stop and B) government programs that exist tend to be monopolistic (since they tend to opperate without regard to efficientcy which no buisness can do) therefor C) Government programs have no mechanism to increase efficientcy, service value, or anything else and therefor D) Government programs never work well at all over the long run.

[Skyler827]

@ineptsegue Also, you always try to describe and debunk the free market in context to how it behaves in our modern american society. Our modern economy is EXTREMELY regulated! It is EXTREMELY taxed! But more importantly, the financial and currency industry are under government control in very critical ways. The Federal reserve controls the interest rates, sets the money supply, and creates boom and bust cycles. I don't have time to describe how a free market would work, compared to ours.

[Skyler827]

@ineptsegue I do not assume that wealth is distributed in a fair manner. I do not assume that humans are perfect, completely rational, or moral. I only advocate the replacement of force with directly consented contracts between individuals. All of beingism's refutations of conservativist philosophy that I've read define government as a voluntary institution, with corporations that force workers into unfair conditions and unfairly distribute wealth.

[Skyler827]

People who say that failed government programs are attacking the icing on the cake.

ALL Government is fundamentally immoral, inefficient, and tyrannical , and the numerous examples of failed government programs are extremely inefficient in demonstrating this fact. although they can prove that government programs can fail here and there, this pales in comparison to the fact that it takes property at the point of a gun, lies to its people and frauds them into thinking everyone else supports them.

[lomocan]

You can do all the "research" you want, you'll never find a gov made up of angels & that's the problem, no matter what kind of gov you'll've, people who make their way into gov are almost invariably people who want power over their fellow men & want to make money thru politics & such people can NEVER be trusted to do anything for others that's why Founding Fathers had the foresight to stand for SMALL gov

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government --- Thomas Jefferson

[lomocan]

You're oblivious to the fact that when business profit or fail, both are actually helpful in a free market because you don't want sick businesses around, but whether a gov program succeeds or fails, taxpayers suffer anyway, socialism is really an ideology of violence when you consider that gov COERCES you pay for someone else or for a cause you don't support, otherwise I'll be prosecuted, in socialist society, individual is basically the property of the state to loot & plunder.

[JFKEQUALS911]

@ineptsegue i did

[JFKEQUALS911]

1913 Federal Reserve act and IRS = communist central bank which still controls our government's agenda. how can we brame capitalism? and how can we think more of this government is the solution? and further, who would wanna take that to a global scale? not me

[bbbbbbblob]

vid jams at around 1.02.

[Beingism]

@bbbbbbblob It seems to work fine for us. I think the problem may be on your end?

[fringeailments]

@Beingism working now

[TheARDENWOOD]

What an example of a socialist country that has succeeded?

With a free market system, many people get stepped on and the poor often forgotten about.

However, with free market govt your making it much easier for a guy with little knowledge, little money, and little power the chance to start a business.

When there is many obstacles to over come, it becomes harder for these people to start businesses.

So really Socialism could only work if development can't possibly advance anymore.

[84AMK]

@ineptsegue I know the problem is bad with health in this country, and the reason is due to the lifestyle of Americans. I have tried to look for sources that mention 60% of our population have a serious problem. Just curious if I could see where you got that. Thank you.

[84AMK]

@ineptsegue First of all, I understand that health insurance is a screw up. I went on google scholar as well as my schools peer-review article search finder to find these studies. The amount of information that provides valid points of both sides of the view is staggering. There's a lot of information available. The issue should have been to for insurance companies to provide services. Also, if the 60% of obese Americans would get into shape, then healthcare costs would reduce dramatically.

[84AMK]

@ineptsegue Also, if everyone would educate themselves that they don't always need to filled with mediation(unless its lifesaving such as an anit-rejection, for example).

[84AMK]

Lose wt, eat healthy and work out everyday, not spend money on things people don't need or spend wisely (ipods, computers, new car, large house, more credit cards, have mortgage payments being a third of your income, eating out all the time, etc etc) are all good examples of how it got worse. Most people tend to be concerned about an iPad before they realize about their health. Otherwise, you have a good point. Thank you.

[enomarekim]

Its the same as college. the government provides more money, and the colleges start raising tuition to get more money. Health care costs will continue to sky rocket, which will lead to price controlling, which leads to shortages. Then we'll have something like the NHS in the UK. Which I guess will be fine, except that everyone will get the cheap plan like they would have gotten if the govnt had spending limits on the public option in the first place. But they wont have spending limits.

[enomarekim]

I don't know how you could study economics and not come to the conclusion that free markets generally provide better than centrally planned economies. obviously there are areas where only the government has the power and ability to operate, But I don't think that health care is one of them. I'm fine with a public option, as long as the government doesn't cave in and start spending more and more money on it, but that will eventually happen, and the cost of health care will go though the roof.

[enomarekim]

The scientific research has determined that in general, free markets tend to provide a much higher standard of living for everyone, and a larger middle class, than a socialist economic system. There are instances where government succeeds. There are many instances where private enterprises fail. But on average, because of simple economic principles, free markets are better at providing for people than heavily regulated markets. You always need to think about the ramifications of socialism.

[Beingism]

The scientific research has determined no such thing, and there is plenty of research to suggest that more equal societies do better.

equalitytrust [dot] org [dot] uk/

[84AMK]

@Beingism First of all, I agree with your style! From Portland, Oregon so I know the importance of that dress code! Haha. Well, I have actually done a lot of research via the peer reviewed journals and history text and noticed that most of government ran programs have not done as well as privatized programs. I thought I would be false, but it looks like most private companie, even though they're ran off of greed, appear to work best.

[CausalCrunch]

@84AMK

I'm fairly skeptical of your research then. For, even if you look at the most obvious example I can think of right now, medical insurance, medicare's overhead is dramatically smaller than the average private medical insurance's overhead. It's around 75% less.

[84AMK]

@CausalCrunch Well, yes that is most certainly an ill-effect of the free market. However, recent studies have shown that(even with the lack of cheap insurance), United States has been number one in satisfaction for quite some time now. I do agree with you on some of those points though. There are many things that could have stopped expensive insurance...malpractice caps, fraud (more than 100 billion per year) and of course overall health of American would have greatly reduced the price...

[fringeelements]

Countries that are racially homogeneous have less innate intelligence differences within their population, resulting in lower inequality. Also, racially homogeneous neighborhoods are more trusting and have a higher sense of civic unity (google "The Downside of Diversity").

Multiracial societies fail hard, and that results in a statistical artifact of unequal societies failing, but it's not the inequality that's the problem, it's the racial / ethnic / religious diversity.

[FreeEcon]

@Beingism We can agree that just as a broken clock is right twice a day, so the government might be able to institute effective policies (see, I can use analogies too, its not that hard). But when one studies Public Choice (that is, an economic analysis of politics), you can see that when you give the government that power to, say, regulate carbon emissions, they can abuse that power by, say, making restrictions that harm small businesses in favor of rent seeking minorities.

[quirkysan]

did it hurt when you pulled that out of your ass?

[Americaisgreat123]

The question you ignore is the most fundamental question in economics, the allocation of resources. Economics is the study of the allocation of scarce resources that have alternative uses.

As a market fundamentalist, I proudly declare that the free market is always better at allocating resources than the government. Prove me wrong.

[catgumart]

I think the coherance and well organized manner in which you present these videoes is good, a lot of people want to say what you say but arent sure, how to articulate it, all the beingism videoes get 5 stars from me.

[ChuckyJesus666]

Excellent points, but, it comes off as reading something you wrote ahead of time, mostly because you go so fast. Slow down and try and come off as being more off-the-cuff. Just my suggestions.

[Beingism]

Well, the reason it sounds like I wrote it ahead of time was because I did. This is a small section of a much larger essay you can find at the above link. Thanks for the suggestion. :)

[catgumart]

Im so computer ignorant, but Ive been watching more beingism videoes, I watched the one about a nonviolent anti-poverty demonstration where the speaker talks about police brutality, the poor have no say and are treated very poorly, and it isnt well recognized, you have to scratch below the surface to see how much people are debased, no mone no-say, no freedom, I really apreciate the work you do I would like to help out, i have limitations but if I could find a way Id be proud to be a helper

[catgumart]

The points being in these Beingism videoes arent intended to "come off" in some superficial way that appeals to people, instead they seem to organize thoughts that are difficult to articulate when arguing with the callous ignorance of the oppoosing viewpoints, most of this stuff I know from experience, but have a hard time bringing to light, or describe when put in the position to argue with the status quo mentality, I like how this is so comprehensible, and coherant.

[ChuckyJesus666]

Say WHAT!?

[catgumart]

I think they present this information well, I like the organized, concise format, as it can help people (like myself) retain the material, these videoes are a good answer to all the myths, and fallacies that are used in arguments against progressive ideas, I run in to it all the time, and I never have a cohesive, persuasive argument. now I do. if it were more spontaneous and off the cuff then, that is okay and can be invaluable, but the organized structure is helpful to get things communicable.

[ChuckyJesus666]

Like "they" say, perception is everything. If what you're doing comes off as stodgy and bookish, people won't listen.

[catgumart]

yeah I see your point, alot of people can be more concerned with the delivery than the content,this shows a kind of superficiality in my oppinion, But if people can find a more dynamic,inspirationally motivating, or perhaps artistic, or expressive way to say this same stuff I support that 100%, if it helps get it into peoples heads, I like this because it is direct without any appeal to emotions, trusting that people will be intelligent enough to "get it" just laying it out very simple.

[444DeanMachine]

great vid and good response to the Anarchist and Libertarians out there :) but why are you lumber jack McGee and wielding an ax?

[Beingism]

Thanks! As for why I'm dressed as a lumberjack... well, one has to change things up every now and again to keep people interested, right?

[catgumart]

why is what he is wearing of any signifigance, especially when such important things are being discussed, why comment on his clothes? Shouldn't people be free to wear what they want? What ought he be wearing? it seems trite to focus on a persons clothes, I guess you can hone in on that it is your right but how about working on makeing keen intelligent and insightful observations or suggestions about the subject matter..we live in a time when people have a lot of different styles.

[Beingism]

Hey, it's a fair question. Now, if he started trying to lynch me for putting on women's clothing and hanging around in bars, now that would be out of line.