Think about this. What if you were stranded on a deserted island? What religious organization would you join then? What church, or group, ideology, theology, doctrine, teaching, dream, vision, prophet, man woman or child could save you then? It is Jesus and ONLY Jesus that saves. The church is not a building or an organization. The church is YOU, faith and belief in Christ. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
ANY religious cult or organization that proclaims, "JOIN US or you are going to Hell" is teaching false doctrine. They use this Jedi Mind Trick as a scare tactic for the simple minded, easily manipulated sheep who's Faith in Jesus is weak. Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
This all comes from a very dubious interpretations of end time events, which includes the “Church” becoming “Pure,” by its own efforts. This is called “Dominion Theology.” Most of mainline Christianity does NOT advocate it. Many break-away rogue groups and other cults, like the Messianics, also advocate Dominism. It is not limited to the SDAs
The real reason some SDA believers make attempts to discredit mainline Christianity, is because many have a suppositional belief that they THEMSELVES, are the “True Remnant” of God; therefore, they have become the “Real Church” which the rest of us are to agree to join or go to hell. To that end they often assert many common teachings of the Bible are misunder-stood and misapplied by Christianity for th past two thousand years.
@Blahslove21 The point I am trying to make is that this video classically illustrates a terrible in SDA eschatological theology which shapes the SDA mindset to this very day. Any reading of Colossians 1:15ff will suffice to show that the Church is a cosmic body, with Christ its Head. The Church as the first fruits has a role to reconcile all men to Christ not to set itself up an exclusive club, the elite.
@Blahslove21 The idea that "we are the church" and everyone is excluded unless you conform to our ideas finds no place in the scripture but actually runs counter to it, and is cultic. Elitism underpins the Shut Door teaching of EGW and SDA has ever since promoted an exclusive "remnant" only gospel. Let us never forget that Christ died for ALL men even though not all men have faith.
If 1 is going to be consistent with SDA logic & say that the cleansing of the sanctuary was the Day of Atonement, then 1 is forced to conclude that Christ & His people are the little horn power that polluted the sanctuary! This is a heretical conclusion & leaves the SDAs in a dilemma from which it is impossible to extricate themselves
Little horn of D8 did the polluting. not the sins of the saints. So SAINTS are the little horn & cleansing started in 1844 WOW! REALLY! WOW! WHAT!!!!!!!
Heb's9 High priest went were MHP, once a yr & never with out blood. Christ is the High Priest! Sat down at the right hand, were is the father? MHP This is the context. He entered not with blood of animals but His own, He entered once & for all Not 1 hint of room moving. 1st apartment = Jewish era, 2nd= Christ's death, resurrection, desertion. I go to prepare a place 4 U. I will leave you with the Holy Spirit. The atonement is complete at the cross
sda- 1st apartment = ministry of Christ, 2nd = IJ. (were does the bible say this) So if true, 1844 start of the judgment, Christ ministry is over, the judgment has begone 168yrs ago. But wait! it's written, when the gospel reaches the whole world then the end will come! We have a high priest that keeps on cleansing us. (not 1844 but the cross) No condemnation for the believer, God will remember there sins no more! 1844 IJ is a damning doctrine
Would you agree, that salvation comes by grace, that was given in the reality of the cross, & not in the shadow of things to come, but is already here. That the gospel is the good new! (Cross)
So one has to question, that in 1888 general conference meeting, grace was first preached, & debated & for the most part rejected for some time. So, WHAT WERE THEY PREACHING? & what were there doctrines based on? A judgment of works, 1844 IJ face saving doctrine! Paul: we have confidence NOW, Not 1844
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith! Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over you all your days. Long as you keep your eye on Him you can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. I am accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son!
Grace is a free gift. This is not cheap grace! We do have a part to play, to look after the faithful one! Ethics is gratitude! Religion is grace!
Lets say, you bought me gift and said it will cost me two hundred dollars, God know we are stupid, so He says free gift! It is true, it is true for you! To all that believe! To all that receive!
4) Enough remain, however, to show that the common trait of repetitiveness among Temporal Lobe Epileptics was present in EGW. Other characteristics of Temporal Lobe Epileptics that were possessed by EGW are humorlessness, suspicion, hyper-morality, and hyper-ethicalness. Her writings include long accounts of the faults of others. In conclusion, EGW suffered from Hysterical Dissociative episodes which ignorant people of her day called "visions".
3) Another symptom of Temporal Lobe Epilepsy is the compulsion to repeat oneself. Some examples of EGW doing this in her writings are Jesus supposedly saying: “My blood, Father, my blood, my blood”, an Angel saying, “Never, never, never”, “Get ready, get ready, get ready”, and EGW saying, “Write, write, write”, “Dark! Dark! All dark! So dark!”. Over the years, editors have removed much of the repetitiveness found in EGW's original writings.
2) It has been known for more than a Century that patients afflicted with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy are likely to manifest psychic abnormalities. Many of these abnormalities are no doubt due to the specific Brain Lesion, but some are due perhaps to the social and emotional effects produced by being an epileptic. As early as 1938 it has been reported that as many as 50 % of Temporal Lobe Epileptics are afflicted with psychic disturbances.
1) Please search Google for "Ellen White Brain Damage" and read some of the Links. Ellen White suffered from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy which caused Catalepsy and Hypergraphia. The long period of unconsciousness which followed Ellen's head injury, and her later amnesia indicate the seriousness of her Brain injury. For a head injury to produce a Coma or unconsciousness lasting some 3 weeks is not common and usually suggests Severe Brain Insult.
I have so much against this prejudiced pre-formed opinion I can not even express it at this time, I do my homework before I open my mouth but based on the context alone much of what you said is not in whole or in complete statement based on the times and history of the SDA this I know they are the most presecuted group and the devil is wroth with the woman..I know they are the only ones that purport 3 tenants of the bible that are essential tenants to salvation that have been abandoned.
@1struthalways I thank you so much for understanding. It is really remarkable as someone as you that can laterally expand and think clearly on what we REALLY study, and that is the TRUTH. There is this program called "The Prophetic Code" and helps you understand more about the bible,God,and give you answers you are looking for :). God works in many different ways. and as a human being, we shouldnt be the ones to judge whose church is wrong, fake or the true church.
@Cherubaby I have read all the great theosophists, Blavatsky, Besant, Bailey and have done research on her I know that she was injured and that her visions were public not private like all the so called prophets of the past.. I have further study to do on this I have never heard her called disturbed...I have read some of her books. I am no dummy her stuff is very heady..pretty impressive for a woman who has not even up to a 3rd grad edu..the others were quite easy to consume hers on the other
@1struthalways i agree on that. not only Ellen G White told her visions publicly, but they were also true. recently there was this young girl who also had a vision from God and she is Pentecostal, Angelica Zambrano. God told Ellen G White that in the end of days that there will be more like Ellen who will see visions just like her. God uses people even if they arent from the Seventh Day Adventist. so idont know why people are sayin that behind the scene we are Satans followers.
@Blahslove21 I think the innocence of a child is very likely they have not been corrupted by preconcieved notions as long as tongues was not attached i would accept that...the bible says other tongues not in tongues...those perverted jesuit contortions again
@Cherubaby hand was very difficult to take in I devour books 4 and 5 at a time and it took me two weeks after the Lord sent me back to read great controversary again..telling me I missed boy did I..
Your reasoning doesn't make sense. The vision talks only about those who had rejected the light falling to join the wicked world. It doesn't refer to those who had not yet heard the message. As a result of the vision those in Portland resumed the midnight-cry and shut door. In your video you failed to mention the midnight-cry. This doctrine comes from the story of the ten virgins who heard the cry at mid-night to join the bridegroom while the door was still open (Matt.25:1-13).
@kenscomments Miller thought the same and so did those that sold everything, I agree this vid is based it seems on half truths but I am reserving and completed opinion and note that it warrants futher study.
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. Im accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son! By the merits of Christ we are looked upon. If we hold to him by faith we are held as spotless as His Son. Cross = glory of gospel
@1struthalways Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
Paul "We serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the
old way of the written code
Old Cov of LAW Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
@game11221 I agree with what you said...however without law there is no sin and without sin there is no grace..grace and law work in unison...if the law had not had been transgressed Christ need not have died..the ceremonial laws and sabbath yrly were put into place to answer and for tell of his coming...when he came they were no longer necessary...the ten and the 603 are different as night and day the latter was given as a solution to the transgression the former was on the inside >
@game11221 covered by the gold mercy seat...the former was against us and temporary until and pointed towards Christ the 603 was after sin the ten was before and eternal 1John 3:4 tansgression of the law is sin...Eze 18:2 the who sins
@1struthalways For it is written. I to the law die to the law, Until you die to the law to live unto Christs as a method of salvation you are lost.
We take on the righteousness of Christ not our own. Imputed righteousness! Grace is not a license to sin as main forecast. Bc, 2 them sin is a act not a attitude. (we do nothing that is not in our heart, What the mind thinks the body will follow.
Satan knew what he was doing when he made up Sunday Laws so he could lead people away from grace and instead trust in their works to be saved!
Sunday Laws will be one of the end time DELUSIONS to deceive people away from grace!
"Who has bewitched you?..I would like to learn just one thing from you:Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law,or by believing what you heard?Are you so foolish?After beginning with the Spirit,are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?"Gal 3:1-3
It is interesting to me that under every video dealing with SDA apostasy or EGW false prophecies, the comments almost always end up discussing law and grace. Of course it is inevitable in one sense because this is the crux of the Adventist false gospel but I see very little about the shut door heresy even on the history of this board with no objections to the content of the video. So, clearly the SDA silence is an admission that EGW did indeed believe and teach a lie. To me it is damning indeed
@brianhyde63 perhaps but did not it come trhu the great disappointment of the Millerite movement and they were not the author of it..I myself would like to know what are the author of the vid sources...I myself try to have at least 3 witnesses as we are counciled to do.
@brian U can see earsare is swallowed up in legalism. Sad, he thinks living in the Spirit is lawlessness People like him always say we preach lawlessness, when nothing can be further from the truth. He proves,he does NOT know the gospel . Sad that he is delusional & thinks the law is his saving grace, he's under the schoolmaster & until he fully excepts Christ the law will judge him. I to the law die to the law, until he dies to the law & lives to Christ as a method of salvation he is lost
Paul rightfully says "We serve in the new way of the Spirit & not in the
old way of the written code
Congratulations! putting yourself under the Old Cov of LAW
Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
supervision of the LAW
Grow up & stop thinking! Ur a hatefully bird, that tell us ur heart. I tell u, until u put all trust in Christ & except the gift of God, u will never understand grace & righteousness & will by judged by the way u judge others
@ears Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
Sad to see what people think of the SDA Church.and no we aint an occult.The only thing we do is go by the bible and follow everything the bible says aswell as not follow orders from men that change the laws of the bible so please get your facts right and instead of trying to prove a falso point, just concentrate on spreading the gospel instead of telling people what church is not the right church or even talking about us Seventh Day Adventists because clearly you know nothing about us.
The problem is you are following a man, well woman. You follow the teachings of Ellen White, and thus take orders from her as to how to interpret the bible. Most in the SDA church don't realize that you are being taught her doctrines from the pulpit and are just as guilty of following orders of a man/woman as those in the catholic church or any other church who holds teachings of a specific modern day prophet.
We're called to examine the scriptures to see if what anyone, even an angel, tells us is true. Whether a man or an angel visits you and proclaims their word as truth, it must be compared to the scriptures. And when I compare the investigative judgment, the doctrine of 1844, or even satan being the second goat of the day of atonement, with the bible, I find those doctrines to be in error.
@Myhopeisinhim Who said anything about us following a teaching of a woman?Ellen G White only shared her visions that she saw was the truth, coming from her. We believe what she saw but it doesnt mean we follow her teachings. It's hard to argue because we both have different views but all I know is that I was taught to read the bible and follow everything that says in the bible and know that God exists and he is the only one that can judge us.I love everyone and noone cant take away my faith
@Myhopeisinhim I have put my whole faith and trust in Jesus ever since. why would i doubt him? i will never believe its not yet complete because i know God has a plan and whatever He does it's always complete, i accepted him in my heart and with my whole heart i can not forsake Gods word. What about you?
@Myhopeisinhim But besides our different religions, we both believe in the one true God. No one knows when he will be coming, but all we know that its a surprise and we have to be ready for his second coming. God Bless
@Blahslove21 Well, now, it is because the SDA church is a cult that it gets all the bad press that it does. Notice that the Baptist Churches, Methodist Churches, Episcopalian Churches, etc etc don't get bad press. That speaks volumes don't you think? As a former SDA i can tell you, without any doubt whatsoever, that the SDA is a cult and a very dangerous one indeed, not least because it looks like, sounds like, and acts like, a mainstream church- but it's teachings are unbiblical
@brianhyde63 Which SDA Church did you go too? and why did you think we are a cult? if you were truly once an SDA Member, what have you learned all those times you were an SDA? what have you gotten out of all the preachings that was given to you? My church that i attend is definitely not a cult, the people there arent dangerous and to top it off, every teaching given on every Saturday always relates to the bible, and i tell you confidently our teachings are BIBLICAL.
@brianhyde63 Sorry I did not reply before but I have been very busy. Well, looking at your second but last post, how can I deny your experience? I understand your indignation. But believing a church is teaching the truth is no guarantee that it is. All churches teach some truth from the Bible but its the lies that leaven the lump as it were that can destroy faith.
@brianhyde63 This is why we are to KNOW THE WORD SO WE CAN CALL A PASTOR WHO OF WHEREVER HE IS FROM ON WRONG THEOLOGY THE DEVIL COUNTS ON US NOT KNOWING
@brianhyde63 How can you say that all churches teach some truth? Yes there are some churches that lie that can destroy faith but depends on the person who preaches it.i yet still need to further explore much more about God and its not Ellen G White thats helping me but th church members and th pastors. Whether your wrong or right, i still believe this church can lead me to the right path, they showed me the truth and by that truth my faith is stronger than ever.
@Blahslove21 Of course -- I dont want to deny your experience -- I had the same as I said and then found that what they taught me wqs wrong. If you rely on men in the church to teach you then you are destined to err. Our only safety lies in the word of God not trusting in the arm of flesh.l
@Blahslove21 No you dont go by the bible,, you take a view and twist it. Your salvation is based on Sunday or Saturday. Ellen W was a false prophet according to the bible.
@douglasdolly and where does it say according to the bible that Ellen G White was a false prophet? expand more on how we take a view and twist it. And who said that our salvation is based on the day we worship? The day that we worship is a sign of commitment and loyalty to God. Our Salvation is through Christ Jesus our Lord. We follow the teachings of the Bible *including the Ten Commandments, not missing any out.
@Blahslove21 The SDA Church is leading millions astray through a false gospel. It teaches legalism and elitism. As a former SDA I know this to be true so, I for one, do know my facts. The GC of the SDA Church has attempted to cover up the Shut Door teaching of EGW by trying to rewrite this period of EGW's history but fortunately for us we have all the evidence which shows EGW not only be a false messenger but a lying messenger as well. Watch the video!
@brianhyde63 I too have many things against what I hear of the general conference and as I understand they apologised for teaching the tenants of faith that the great reformers died for..but how can obedience be legalism. I am a sabbatarian myself and I have discovered much of what they teach in the bible. My advice read you bible I belive even e g said cling to your bibles as it reads and obey God and not one of you will be lost. Have you read Prophet of destiny by a secular author...
@Blahslove21 Indeed a and I intend to address every point on how she is wrong in her observation based on the vid and further research...But I do not go off half cocked I, basing my statements on hatred and prejudiced pre-formed opinions. I do my homework. This I know that the dragon is wroth with the woman and that the SDA are among the most persecuted group.. and that so called ex left solely on the basis of one bad experience their are goats in every group,,,
by much of the christian world there are goats in every group...and did not Jesus say that the last church would be poor blind and naked.. that they would hold back the truth from the rest for fear...it is ppl like you that are causing me to change my mind and consider organized religion after all...maybe I will look further into what my well meaning SDA friends are saying...I am beginning to believe that they are right.
@Blahslove21 She does not circumnavigate it but illuminate it further...reports say that SDA using the compass of EG they have a deeper closer relationship with Christ and are less apt to be judgemental or back slide and if they do they hop back on quicker.
@Blahslove21 Glad to be of help..I get really tired of people slamming other people. I don't go after people, it is not our job to go after people on error it is our job to rebuke systems not peopl, and if we do question people we bring to light their fruit if it be sweet or not....anything i have ever heard of her and or read was favorable her fruit was always sweet...this from non SDA and SDA alike...that is how you know whose heart is his and just in error...
@1struthalways No, your conclusions is wrong. You judge doctrine by the Word of God and the Holy Spirit not someone's fruits. Even "sweet fruits" are not always an indicator a person is of God. There are many "sweet" humanists and New Agers in the world today. Even Satan can disguiese himself as an "angel" of light..
@1struthalways You are making the same mistake I made. I was a fierce advocate of EGW until I found her teaching on the Gospel contradicts the scripture. She taught perfectionism -- salvation by sanctification -- the same doctrine of the RCC If you dont believe me check it out. Our guide is not a woman or a man -- its the Holy Spirit.
@brianhyde63 How does the doctrine of the SDA coincide with RCC? I find no similarity at all and what is protectionism..and how is sanctification not biblical Rev 22:11 is clear there will be sancified ones..It is not that i don't believe I just dont understand..I am not a woman who follows anyone but God and scripture is clear we must be obedient to gain Him
@1struthalways RCC teach salvation by good works. SDA teach salvation by good works. Bible teaches salvation by grace thro faith alone Its a gift of grace (Eph 2). EGW taught we must reach a state of sinless perfection in order to be saved. Her writings are full of it. You too are saying "we must be obedient to gain Him" No, only Christ can take away our sin and make us good (Phil 2). Obedience is the fruit of salvation. We do not need to be good to be saved but we must be saved to be good. .
@Blahslove21 Its not just about EGW. SDAs have adopted ancient Israel's form of govt (polity) with a sinful man as Head and rejected NT priesthood of believers and Headship of Christ (Peter 2; Eph 5); They have adopted ceremonial unclean foods/drink and rejected NT commandment that all things are now clean (Rom 14). They have adopted OC Decalogue and rejected the higher NC 'law' of spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:2). These are just a few of the errors of Adventism
@brianhyde63 youve got everything so wrong. which church did you go to? You seriously know nothing. Come to my church and see what we are missing cos your facts are just wrong straight up.
@Blahslove21 Well, I can say exactly the same words to you, viz "you have got it all wrong" and "seriously know nothing" So, we prove nothing. I will agree that if I come to your church I will see what "we are missing" alright-- the gospel is what will be are missing my friend, No hard feelings. In peace,
Please, get some help! I know u can't see it, but there is something deeply wrong with u!
I hope ur group of followers can see that ur a want a B cult leader. & if u do not believe in Christ as ur savior & the atonement is finished and by faith you are saved and His merits are imputed to the believer, that is Christ righteousness when the father looks at you He sees Christ. If you don't teach this, then u are leading ur friends to hell
U & others believe that we true believers have lost faith when in fact we found it. The trap of fundamentalism,UR apart of, believe that the interpretation affixed to the biblical text is the Truth. It's a trap because in fact U put faith in teachings & other supposed interpretation by proof text method out of context to establish ur delusional theology rather than directly 2 what Scripture teaches. U R a OT believer NOT a NT follower, U dont see were the New is a fulfillment of the Old
The Bible teaches that faith is the new law because it fulfills the law of the spirit, love, that is to say the trend of the old law We then make void the law through faith? Certainly not, on the contrary, we give to the law its value and its significance. Jesus becomes our law, the law living in the Holy Spirit. He is fulfilling the whole law, including the 10 c
This comment came from a true believer he said it well, I wanted to share!
Good thing ur not a judge, if u were only u would be saved, due to ur delusional self righteousness
I have explained grace to u , but u do not understand! Ur works mean nothing
See u think if ur good enough then God will love u (now thats pagan) God loves u even if u are not good and if u believe it u will become good. Don't say it! I know I know, u will not understand this statement. Ur so delusional u cant see ur own bullshit
SDA teachings need to be exposed in a public forum like this because they are based on a deadly mix of law and grace.The Law of Moses was consummated by Christ.Christians are not under law for salvation but under Christ and that is a huge difference.The Old Cov was law and death; the New Cov is Spirit and life. The two ministries cannot be mixed. Whilst there is continuity and discontinuity between the two, the methods are totally different. One was law on stone the other is law in the heart
Hi Brianhyde63, yes we shouldn't standby nor gaze at each other's fault but make busy and preach the good news and hope for salvation. Tight feelings to other teachings does not go us nowhere. Better declare what your teachings are and we may learn from you. I appreciate your defense for the Lord if it is. May God bless you with peace of mind and more friendly video.
They did not deny the frustration. We shouldn't gaze at each other's fault. But preach the good news if you got one. We make busy by preparing for the coming of Jesus not pointing another's failure. It is a waste of time, is it not?
@silaymom Friend, do u think we should just stand by waiting for Jesus while watching countless numbers go down to hell coz they are being deceived by false teachers? Isn't there a difference between finding fault with a person's motives and finding fault with their teachings? Would you say nothing to a person who tells you that its ok for ur children to learn homosexual techniques in the classroom?.
Eph 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them
@earsarehearible James 1:26 "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless." Peace brother!
@b Hi Brother! Seems many do not understand grace and do not understand the true meaning of the cross They hold to the old cov law & claim the new cov. So they hold to law in a attempt to earn grace. But fail to see grace is a free gift from God to all that keeps ones eye on Christ. They hold to law as there saving grace. They focus so much on law - sin they get what they focus on a struggle to be good enough but will fail. Focus on Christ- except what He has done we become good - naturally
@game Amen!.You know, the most amazing thing about grace is that it really does work and powerfully so! All the while I am looking to Christ's Spirit I am fully able to overcome my sin. Even the desire is taken away! Daily I can testify that "the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2). I never had that experience when I was looking to law to keep me--it was a endless battle with sin which left me with constant guilt and frustration
@ga Btw my friend, did you ever read what Luther says about the Christian's relation to the Law?
Ist Paul: Galatians 2:19: For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
2nd Luther: "Paul, however, refers PARTICULARLY TO THE ABOLITION OF THE MORAL LAW. If faith alone in Christ justifies, then the whole Law is abolished WITHOUT EXCEPTION" (M Luther Commentary on Galatians Gal II v 19-emphasis mine).
Law is only for the unbelieving wicked until they look to Christ.
If faith alone in Christ justifies, then the whole Law is abolished WITHOUT EXCEPTION!
Law is only for the unbelieving wicked until they look to Christ
(Rom 8:2). I never had that experience when I was looking to law to keep me--it was a endless battle with sin which left me with constant guilt and frustration
@ears A4 You denigrate grace and extol law but do you realise that by condemning your brothers and sisters that you are actually breaking the very law you extol. Let me show you, in case you didn't realise. James "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
@earsa A3 It sounds really fanatical to me --just like a cult; because they use similar tactics--iintimidation, threats and demonisation Especially have I found this true of the Messianics. Are you a Messianic? Is this how you win souls to Christ in your church? Is this how you deal with other faiths breaking down instead of building up? What kind of a god do you serve anyway? He doesn;t sound very nice to me.
@ears A2 they all walked away.Or could it be that you have a beam in your own eye? You know, I have dealt a lot of people lately and they do just what you are doing--condemning, slandering and defaming---and people they don't even know! And do those people reply in kind No, they remain forgiving and show a willingness to talk to you despite you verbal affronts. Now, that I call Christ-likeness. So, tell me brov what kind of an organisation do you belong to?
@ears A1 What scriptures did you send me? And why do you rant and rave so? Seems you are a disturbed and troubled man. Is your law-keeping really helping you to be a better person when you are filled with so much hatred? It looks doubtful to me. You need gospel peace my brother--quick! I noticed in all your posts that you criticise and judge others consistently. Why is that? Jesus said to those who brought the woman caught in adultery, he who is without sin cast the first stone--and
@g I prefer to God's interpretation of His Word.You seem to under the delusion that God's grace is antinomianism. How can God operate against His own will? Grace is not adverse to works; it is compatible with them.Genuine good works have only ever flowed from God's grace.They're wrought by the Creator Himself through His very own Spirit.That's why Paul said that the law is established by through faith (Rom 3) Turn to the gospel, my friend, and you will experience real freedom from sinning!
@ears Under the new covenant those who are born from above look not to law but to Christ who is the embodiment of ALL law. If we're in Him by faith, His Spirit will be teaching us and transforming us thro His word.The law can guide but not save.Christ does both. Law is not for a righteous man, except to delight in; it's for the unrighteous man to constrain him.There's no written law heaven because the law is already "wriiten in the heart" of all who by nature obey God's will.That's grace man!
@brianhyde63 You have articulated the truth so very well! We can only hope and pray our brothers and sisters will take heed. For the words you have spoke are from the spirit!
@ears No, no, no! My friend, you've got it the wrong way round. Look, when the Spirit writes the law on our hearts (Jer 31:31-34) it produces a life of righteousness that is in FULL harmony with God's will (eternal law). Christ doesn't then send us back to the letter of the law becos we no longer need to even go there. If we are born again we are ALREADY fulfilling the law thro the Spirit! If the Spirit makes you honest you dont need to be told not to lie or cheat.
My dearly beloved, the tragedy of our Sunday keeping friends is painful to watch. Their struggle to separate SIN from the LAW literally breaks my heart. I have seen it time & time again where a person says they do not condone sin while at the same time saying keeping the Law is WORKS & shows one professes to be saved by their own righteousness.
We Shabbat keepers need to agree on a special time when each of us pray for these Christians. A tragedy of monumental proportions
@earsarehearible I happen to know that the person you are talking to here is a dear believer in Christ who loves the Lord Jesus very much and has a most gracious spirit.You should be ashamed of your slanderous words
@e Ur so ashamed of ur denomination u wont tell what it is
U won't tell why u refuse to listen to Paul
No contradicting u just don't get it! Ur confused & don't know what to believe u won't admit it bc of pride Ur pastor has don't a # on u
May not be ur fault, u probably born & raised w ur delusional theology
U dont understand righteousness by faith ur trying to earn a gift by ur own works u have fallen from grace U hve failed 2 release ur self fully 2 Christ
The tragedy about those who set law against grace is that they are essentially calling God a liar: they are claiming grace is inadequate. The NT is crystal clear that man cannot keep the law to the degree required by the law. It is law-keeping that is inadequate. If we could keep the law perfectly then why did Christ have to die?
@game11221 Those who teach that we must go back to the law as a means of salvation, or maintaining salvation, are attempting to add works to grace. By so doing they also insult God's free gift and essentially tell Him that what He has done is not enough. Can you imagine--such insolence! This was the Galatian heresy. And EGW was foremost in promoting that very heresy.Fortunately, many Adventists are beginning to see the light and are turning their backs on legalism.
You wrote "Fortunately, many Adventists are beginning to see the light & are turning their backs on legalism"
My dearly beloved may I ask which Adventists these are? What are their teachings now? Are they saying that violating the Law, sinning, will not send one to hell?
If that is what they are teaching then God is no longer with them & they are only pleasing the majority.
E.G.White did say that Adventists will apostatize in the last days so no surprises there.
Died to the law Released from from the Law,so we can serve in the newness of the Spirit Fruit of Spirit = love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness gentleness, self-control No law against fruit & those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified flesh w its passions & desires
Law hasn’t disappeared CHRISTIANS led by the Spirit R not under it anymore, in Christ its set aside the righteous requirement of the law is FULLY met IN us now that we are clothed in HIS righteousness
@e not like Moses, who put a veil over his face to keep the people from gazing at the end
of the glory that WAS being SET ASIDE. But their minds were hardened. To this very day, when they hear the READING of the OLD COV, that same VEIL is STILL THERE
Jeremiah31:31: Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will
make a New Covenant ....31:32 "NOT ACCORDING to the COVENANT that I made with their fathers in the
day that I took them by the hand TO LED THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT
@earsarehearible We have no self righteousness of our own, we cant take offence in anything, we defend not our dignity or our rights...4 its no longer I who Live but Christ IN ME but in everything we give glory to God that we might gain the more (converts to Jesus) 4 our heart is transformed we feel the heart beat of God ...4 he desires none to perish but for all to come into repentance
Scripture says the righteousness REQUIREMENTS of the law IS "FULLY MET" "IN" us –NOT- "BY" us
Law (Old Cov Moral Law) cant make u love or change the inner man, it condemns us I wouldnt hve known sin but by the law, it just leaves us guilty, & need of a saviour! Spirit of Life sets us free by this Spirit we can love, SPIRIT CHANGES the inner man & it changes us from glory to glory
TRY 2 FULFILL the law in our OWN FLESH not only undermines the work of the Cross, it puts us under the curse of the law also makes Salvation a matter of works that NO LONGER makes Salvation a GIFT from God
@ea don't B afraid or ashamed Tell us what denomination u belong to! If u feel ur belief is the true 1 then share so others can look into ur denomination
So why do you disregard Paul ?
Reason u think I speak hypocrisy is do to the fact, a veil is over ur eyes, bc u do not except what Christ has done for u. U are still under the schoolmaster. & ur trying to reach salvation by ur own works. Now u will be judged by the law . U can not serve both cov's at same time, ur serving the bondwomen
@earsarehearible Repenting! Yes I agree! Yes I agree if we willfully continue in known sin (bc we like the darkness more then the light) Then there is big problems! The blood will not count in ones favor!
We all stumble not willfully, & Christ keeps on cleansing us. how many times to forgive every time. But not to continue in known sin
Thanks 4 admitting u dont understand the gospel & havnt excepted Christ.
Paul disagrees with u, so u count him as false. Fascinating! U hve proven 2 u ur saved by ur own righteousness
Again, were did I say I worship the Sun? A true believer puts all trust in Christ & becomes new they do not desire sin bc they desire Christ & love shines through them
So tell me were u born in this cult that ur in? Were did I say, grace is a license to sin? U must be young & immature, they did a # on u
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound.[R 5:20] The law doesn’t help us, it leaves us helpless, in need of the Saviour[R 8:2-3] Law’s main purpose is to led us to Christ. [Gal3:24] Christian walk is based on faith not works.[Heb 4:2] Law is not based on faith…[Gal3:12
@ears Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, u also have (past tense) become dead to the law through the body of Christ, … that we should bear fruit to God.Present tense
Romans 7:5 when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death
Every mouth is silent & the whole world is held accountable by the Law. Romans 3:19]
No 1 is declared righteous by observing the Law. [R3:20] Law makes known to us what sin is. [R 7:7
@ears Yes believers want to do what pleases God! There lead by the Spirit! Love is in there hearts! The law has lead them to Christ & showed them what sin is. Now they have excepted Christ They put all faith in Him! In doing so there on to a new cov. & past from death to life. They don't cherish the things of this world but cherish the things of God. There not trying to keep the New cov law to be saved, but because they are saved. No matter how bad 1 is once they come to God they 2 can be saved
Saved & secured by Jesus' justifying grace. Romans 8:1, 5:1,9, 3:24, 3:28, 8:30 Gal 3:11, 2:16 John 5:24, Eph 2:8‑9 Titus 3:4‑6
So sad u don't understand grace or except this free gift from God. U rely on ur own works to be justified proves u dont fully except what Christ has done 4 u. U have fallen from grace
Only a legalist would see grace as a license to sin, as u No true believer thinks such a thing! There focus is on Christ, not sin! Ur focus is on sin & will get what u focus on
@e Were did I CURSE Sabbatarians?What makes u think that I don't believe in the Sabbath?
We r saved by grace by faith alone! Come as u R & believe in the Son! Be sanctified by the body of Christ of the spirit of God BE new, Realize Christs died 4 me, He represented 4 me, in my place He stood, sealed me w His blood as long as u believe in Him u cant be lost. The great atonement is complete. True believer hates sin does not Cherish known sin, desire of worldly things fades u belong 2 another
@ear(Show me 1 script where Christ upholds sinful practices as being fine blind man)
You are so ignorant it's hard to comprehend how someone can read what I have said and come to a conclusion grace is a license to sin. I have never said that! Again that proves u do not understand the gospel. Never once have I suggested what u have lied about me. Never said to profess Christ and continue in willful sin! U prove again ur distorted & delusional in ur understand U fail to comprehend the cross
@earsarehe A true believer hates there sin they do not cherish known sin! By faith there heart changes, & desire God. Love in there heart. Desire to sin fades they become a new.
You think Sin is a act, bc u live to the old cov. where sin is a attitude, we do nothing that is not in our heart! What the mind thinks the body will act! Get it! Where is the new cov written? why it's you heart! We serve in the spirit. Again u have proven ur pagan beliefs that ur saved by ur own righteousness
@earsarehearible not catholic, or like them, they preach saved by works like u do, so ur a much better fit to Rome. U have no clue of the gospel! Where did I ever say, continue in willful sin? I never said what day I worship. I don't see anyone praying the the sun in the shy! Do u sill believe there are other Gods. Who is making sacrifices to these Gods u believe in?
So if some1 that meets on Sunday r they lost? Free women= New cov= salvation by faith through Christ a gift of God.
@earsareh (diseased speech 4 the gullible) Now that's funny! Lets see, Millerites preached 1843 then 1844 the coming of Christ, poor gullible people! Some so fanatical after failure they held the date & changed the advent, dag. The door was shut they preached to all that rejected there false teachings Dag. They didnt even preach or believe grace- see 1888 Gen.Conf. Meeting. When grace was 1st preach most rejected it, so what in the hell were they preaching! such as E. Smith ect.. arain belief
Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that Fruit is obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
Law is like a mirror U shave in thats hanging on the wall, it will show u were the hair is to cut off, only an idiot will take the mirror off the wall & shave with it
@earsarehearible Were did I ever say, 2 continue in known sin? Like I said you could not understand my last statement BC u rely on the law as ur saving grace, in doing so, u have fallen from grace. So R U perfect? Y of N
I to the law die to the law, until u die to the law & live to Christ as a method of salvation u R lost.
You don't have to be good to be saved, BUT U have to be SAVED to BE GOOD! Again I know u will not understand this you silly Adventist.
@earsarehearible LEGALISM was the death of the Pharisee and the corruption of the Galatians. It was the reason the Jerusalem council was convened, and the truth was forever settled. The Gentiles were not obligated to follow the Law of Moses. Never was they bound to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath, and neither would they ever be. Our rest is Jesus Christ the person.
@ears No programing here, unlike u due to the fact ur in a cult. If it was 1844 again u would be preaching the shut door to all & when someone disagrees w u, u will just say they live in a fantasy But the fantasy or it should be said, fanaticism is the mirror u look into ur own reflection
U think if ur good then God will love u! Thats pagan. God loves u even if u are not good & if u believe it, u will become good. Its imposable 4 u to understand ur salvation is based on ur own righteousness
You wrote "U think if ur good then God will love u! Thats pagan. God loves u even if u are not good & if u believe it, you will become good. Its impossible 4 u to understand ur salvation is based on ur own righteousness"
My dearly beloved can you help me understand WHY God punished ancient Israel for violating the Shabbat by sending her to Babylon if being good as you call keeping he Law, amount to nothing in His eyes?
And what about the Sodomites? Why were they destroyed? Not SIN?
@earsarehearible Twisting again I see! You speak as your perfect! Interesting! You think grace is a license to sin. No true believer thinks this, only a legalist would think such a thing. I see you do not understand grace, and think your saved by your own righteousness by the law, you have fallen from grace, & will be judged by your own methods. (ur trying to earn a gift( Your a old testament follower and not a new testament believer.
The way u talk is like the door is shut to all but you
You are more than welcome to mention one thing in my above posts that I've just sent that is an evil teaching and not directly biblical, or do you get so enraged by the teaching that we're all saved the same way and that is by trusting in Jesus and his shed blood that you have to speak against anyone who teaches the simple gospel of the cross? Remember as I said before:
Jesus says: Unless you believe that I am [he], you will die in your sins
Think about this. What if you were stranded on a deserted island? What religious organization would you join then? What church, or group, ideology, theology, doctrine, teaching, dream, vision, prophet, man woman or child could save you then? It is Jesus and ONLY Jesus that saves. The church is not a building or an organization. The church is YOU, faith and belief in Christ. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
ricogoldstar 1 week ago
ANY religious cult or organization that proclaims, "JOIN US or you are going to Hell" is teaching false doctrine. They use this Jedi Mind Trick as a scare tactic for the simple minded, easily manipulated sheep who's Faith in Jesus is weak. Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
ricogoldstar 1 week ago
This all comes from a very dubious interpretations of end time events, which includes the “Church” becoming “Pure,” by its own efforts. This is called “Dominion Theology.” Most of mainline Christianity does NOT advocate it. Many break-away rogue groups and other cults, like the Messianics, also advocate Dominism. It is not limited to the SDAs
brianhyde63 2 weeks ago
The real reason some SDA believers make attempts to discredit mainline Christianity, is because many have a suppositional belief that they THEMSELVES, are the “True Remnant” of God; therefore, they have become the “Real Church” which the rest of us are to agree to join or go to hell. To that end they often assert many common teachings of the Bible are misunder-stood and misapplied by Christianity for th past two thousand years.
brianhyde63 2 weeks ago
Get your facts strait.
onebad67tempest 2 months ago
who removed th comment by brianhyde63? iwanted to see what he was goin to write.
Blahslove21 2 months ago
@Blahslove21 The point I am trying to make is that this video classically illustrates a terrible in SDA eschatological theology which shapes the SDA mindset to this very day. Any reading of Colossians 1:15ff will suffice to show that the Church is a cosmic body, with Christ its Head. The Church as the first fruits has a role to reconcile all men to Christ not to set itself up an exclusive club, the elite.
brianhyde63 2 months ago
@Blahslove21 The idea that "we are the church" and everyone is excluded unless you conform to our ideas finds no place in the scripture but actually runs counter to it, and is cultic. Elitism underpins the Shut Door teaching of EGW and SDA has ever since promoted an exclusive "remnant" only gospel. Let us never forget that Christ died for ALL men even though not all men have faith.
brianhyde63 2 months ago
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If 1 is going to be consistent with SDA logic & say that the cleansing of the sanctuary was the Day of Atonement, then 1 is forced to conclude that Christ & His people are the little horn power that polluted the sanctuary! This is a heretical conclusion & leaves the SDAs in a dilemma from which it is impossible to extricate themselves
Little horn of D8 did the polluting. not the sins of the saints. So SAINTS are the little horn & cleansing started in 1844 WOW! REALLY! WOW! WHAT!!!!!!!
game11221 3 months ago
Heb's9 High priest went were MHP, once a yr & never with out blood. Christ is the High Priest! Sat down at the right hand, were is the father? MHP This is the context. He entered not with blood of animals but His own, He entered once & for all Not 1 hint of room moving. 1st apartment = Jewish era, 2nd= Christ's death, resurrection, desertion. I go to prepare a place 4 U. I will leave you with the Holy Spirit. The atonement is complete at the cross
game11221 3 months ago
@game11221 Well, said. This hits the IJ right in the solar plexus. Thanks for this neat summation.
brianhyde63 2 months ago
sda- 1st apartment = ministry of Christ, 2nd = IJ. (were does the bible say this) So if true, 1844 start of the judgment, Christ ministry is over, the judgment has begone 168yrs ago. But wait! it's written, when the gospel reaches the whole world then the end will come! We have a high priest that keeps on cleansing us. (not 1844 but the cross) No condemnation for the believer, God will remember there sins no more! 1844 IJ is a damning doctrine
game11221 3 months ago
Would you agree, that salvation comes by grace, that was given in the reality of the cross, & not in the shadow of things to come, but is already here. That the gospel is the good new! (Cross)
So one has to question, that in 1888 general conference meeting, grace was first preached, & debated & for the most part rejected for some time. So, WHAT WERE THEY PREACHING? & what were there doctrines based on? A judgment of works, 1844 IJ face saving doctrine! Paul: we have confidence NOW, Not 1844
game11221 3 months ago
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To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith! Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over you all your days. Long as you keep your eye on Him you can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. I am accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son!
game11221 3 months ago
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Grace is a free gift. This is not cheap grace! We do have a part to play, to look after the faithful one! Ethics is gratitude! Religion is grace!
Lets say, you bought me gift and said it will cost me two hundred dollars, God know we are stupid, so He says free gift! It is true, it is true for you! To all that believe! To all that receive!
game11221 3 months ago
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If I am good, then God will love me. This is a pagan philosophy. God loves you even if you are not good, and if you believe it you will become good.
Righteousness means Justification; we are justified through the righteousness of Christ
God looks at us He sees Jesus, His perfect, excepted sacrifice ,as long as we believe in Christ we receive
game11221 3 months ago
4) Enough remain, however, to show that the common trait of repetitiveness among Temporal Lobe Epileptics was present in EGW. Other characteristics of Temporal Lobe Epileptics that were possessed by EGW are humorlessness, suspicion, hyper-morality, and hyper-ethicalness. Her writings include long accounts of the faults of others. In conclusion, EGW suffered from Hysterical Dissociative episodes which ignorant people of her day called "visions".
Cherubaby 3 months ago
3) Another symptom of Temporal Lobe Epilepsy is the compulsion to repeat oneself. Some examples of EGW doing this in her writings are Jesus supposedly saying: “My blood, Father, my blood, my blood”, an Angel saying, “Never, never, never”, “Get ready, get ready, get ready”, and EGW saying, “Write, write, write”, “Dark! Dark! All dark! So dark!”. Over the years, editors have removed much of the repetitiveness found in EGW's original writings.
Cherubaby 3 months ago
2) It has been known for more than a Century that patients afflicted with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy are likely to manifest psychic abnormalities. Many of these abnormalities are no doubt due to the specific Brain Lesion, but some are due perhaps to the social and emotional effects produced by being an epileptic. As early as 1938 it has been reported that as many as 50 % of Temporal Lobe Epileptics are afflicted with psychic disturbances.
Cherubaby 3 months ago
1) Please search Google for "Ellen White Brain Damage" and read some of the Links. Ellen White suffered from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy which caused Catalepsy and Hypergraphia. The long period of unconsciousness which followed Ellen's head injury, and her later amnesia indicate the seriousness of her Brain injury. For a head injury to produce a Coma or unconsciousness lasting some 3 weeks is not common and usually suggests Severe Brain Insult.
Cherubaby 3 months ago
I have so much against this prejudiced pre-formed opinion I can not even express it at this time, I do my homework before I open my mouth but based on the context alone much of what you said is not in whole or in complete statement based on the times and history of the SDA this I know they are the most presecuted group and the devil is wroth with the woman..I know they are the only ones that purport 3 tenants of the bible that are essential tenants to salvation that have been abandoned.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways I thank you so much for understanding. It is really remarkable as someone as you that can laterally expand and think clearly on what we REALLY study, and that is the TRUTH. There is this program called "The Prophetic Code" and helps you understand more about the bible,God,and give you answers you are looking for :). God works in many different ways. and as a human being, we shouldnt be the ones to judge whose church is wrong, fake or the true church.
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 I would like to have that website please message it to me.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways thanks for the website I will check it out as soon as i get time right now I am moving
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways Continuing..... for the remnant church lies within Jesus Christ.
Blahslove21 3 months ago
Ellen White was MENTALLY DISTURBED. She was an instrument of SATAN. Everyone who follows her will be LOST.
Cherubaby 3 months ago
@Cherubaby I have read all the great theosophists, Blavatsky, Besant, Bailey and have done research on her I know that she was injured and that her visions were public not private like all the so called prophets of the past.. I have further study to do on this I have never heard her called disturbed...I have read some of her books. I am no dummy her stuff is very heady..pretty impressive for a woman who has not even up to a 3rd grad edu..the others were quite easy to consume hers on the other
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways i agree on that. not only Ellen G White told her visions publicly, but they were also true. recently there was this young girl who also had a vision from God and she is Pentecostal, Angelica Zambrano. God told Ellen G White that in the end of days that there will be more like Ellen who will see visions just like her. God uses people even if they arent from the Seventh Day Adventist. so idont know why people are sayin that behind the scene we are Satans followers.
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 I think the innocence of a child is very likely they have not been corrupted by preconcieved notions as long as tongues was not attached i would accept that...the bible says other tongues not in tongues...those perverted jesuit contortions again
1struthalways 3 months ago
@Cherubaby hand was very difficult to take in I devour books 4 and 5 at a time and it took me two weeks after the Lord sent me back to read great controversary again..telling me I missed boy did I..
1struthalways 3 months ago
Your reasoning doesn't make sense. The vision talks only about those who had rejected the light falling to join the wicked world. It doesn't refer to those who had not yet heard the message. As a result of the vision those in Portland resumed the midnight-cry and shut door. In your video you failed to mention the midnight-cry. This doctrine comes from the story of the ten virgins who heard the cry at mid-night to join the bridegroom while the door was still open (Matt.25:1-13).
kenscomments 4 months ago
@kenscomments Miller thought the same and so did those that sold everything, I agree this vid is based it seems on half truths but I am reserving and completed opinion and note that it warrants futher study.
1struthalways 3 months ago
your title makes no sense...what does Ellen G White have to do with this ?
she was only a little girl in 1846...
jasetriplett 5 months ago
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. Im accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son! By the merits of Christ we are looked upon. If we hold to him by faith we are held as spotless as His Son. Cross = glory of gospel
game11221 5 months ago
@game11221 That according to the bible is one legged salvation God has always been about obedience look at Cain.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
Paul "We serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the
old way of the written code
Old Cov of LAW Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
supervision of the LAW
game11221 3 months ago
@game11221 I agree with what you said...however without law there is no sin and without sin there is no grace..grace and law work in unison...if the law had not had been transgressed Christ need not have died..the ceremonial laws and sabbath yrly were put into place to answer and for tell of his coming...when he came they were no longer necessary...the ten and the 603 are different as night and day the latter was given as a solution to the transgression the former was on the inside >
1struthalways 3 months ago
@game11221 covered by the gold mercy seat...the former was against us and temporary until and pointed towards Christ the 603 was after sin the ten was before and eternal 1John 3:4 tansgression of the law is sin...Eze 18:2 the who sins
WILL DIE. pretty cut and dried dont you think.?
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways For it is written. I to the law die to the law, Until you die to the law to live unto Christs as a method of salvation you are lost.
We take on the righteousness of Christ not our own. Imputed righteousness! Grace is not a license to sin as main forecast. Bc, 2 them sin is a act not a attitude. (we do nothing that is not in our heart, What the mind thinks the body will follow.
game11221 3 months ago
@game11221 I see no dissension se are on the same page we can not save ourselves by obedience.
1struthalways 3 months ago
to the person who made this video, do you believe in the crazy idea that "God created the heavens and the earth" ?
jasetriplett 5 months ago
@jasetriplett Yes I do and where do you think Universe came into be UNI VERSE single spoken sentence.
1struthalways 3 months ago
Satan knew what he was doing when he made up Sunday Laws so he could lead people away from grace and instead trust in their works to be saved!
Sunday Laws will be one of the end time DELUSIONS to deceive people away from grace!
"Who has bewitched you?..I would like to learn just one thing from you:Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law,or by believing what you heard?Are you so foolish?After beginning with the Spirit,are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?"Gal 3:1-3
EvangelistEvan 6 months ago
@EvangelistEvan It is about worship is it not read REV 13...
1struthalways 3 months ago
It is interesting to me that under every video dealing with SDA apostasy or EGW false prophecies, the comments almost always end up discussing law and grace. Of course it is inevitable in one sense because this is the crux of the Adventist false gospel but I see very little about the shut door heresy even on the history of this board with no objections to the content of the video. So, clearly the SDA silence is an admission that EGW did indeed believe and teach a lie. To me it is damning indeed
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@brianhyde63 perhaps but did not it come trhu the great disappointment of the Millerite movement and they were not the author of it..I myself would like to know what are the author of the vid sources...I myself try to have at least 3 witnesses as we are counciled to do.
1struthalways 3 months ago
By their fruits you shall know them!
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@brian U can see earsare is swallowed up in legalism. Sad, he thinks living in the Spirit is lawlessness People like him always say we preach lawlessness, when nothing can be further from the truth. He proves,he does NOT know the gospel . Sad that he is delusional & thinks the law is his saving grace, he's under the schoolmaster & until he fully excepts Christ the law will judge him. I to the law die to the law, until he dies to the law & lives to Christ as a method of salvation he is lost
game11221 6 months ago
@game11221 We must pray for our brother. Thank God He has delivered me from that bondage.
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@ear
Paul rightfully says "We serve in the new way of the Spirit & not in the
old way of the written code
Congratulations! putting yourself under the Old Cov of LAW
Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
supervision of the LAW
Grow up & stop thinking! Ur a hatefully bird, that tell us ur heart. I tell u, until u put all trust in Christ & except the gift of God, u will never understand grace & righteousness & will by judged by the way u judge others
game11221 6 months ago
@ears Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
game11221 6 months ago
Sad to see what people think of the SDA Church.and no we aint an occult.The only thing we do is go by the bible and follow everything the bible says aswell as not follow orders from men that change the laws of the bible so please get your facts right and instead of trying to prove a falso point, just concentrate on spreading the gospel instead of telling people what church is not the right church or even talking about us Seventh Day Adventists because clearly you know nothing about us.
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@Blahslove21
The problem is you are following a man, well woman. You follow the teachings of Ellen White, and thus take orders from her as to how to interpret the bible. Most in the SDA church don't realize that you are being taught her doctrines from the pulpit and are just as guilty of following orders of a man/woman as those in the catholic church or any other church who holds teachings of a specific modern day prophet.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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We're called to examine the scriptures to see if what anyone, even an angel, tells us is true. Whether a man or an angel visits you and proclaims their word as truth, it must be compared to the scriptures. And when I compare the investigative judgment, the doctrine of 1844, or even satan being the second goat of the day of atonement, with the bible, I find those doctrines to be in error.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Who said anything about us following a teaching of a woman?Ellen G White only shared her visions that she saw was the truth, coming from her. We believe what she saw but it doesnt mean we follow her teachings. It's hard to argue because we both have different views but all I know is that I was taught to read the bible and follow everything that says in the bible and know that God exists and he is the only one that can judge us.I love everyone and noone cant take away my faith
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In that you are right:) We know God exists and he is the only righteous Judge.
Are you trusting in the complete atonement of Jesus Christ or do you still believe it's not complete yet?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I have put my whole faith and trust in Jesus ever since. why would i doubt him? i will never believe its not yet complete because i know God has a plan and whatever He does it's always complete, i accepted him in my heart and with my whole heart i can not forsake Gods word. What about you?
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@Blahslove21
Do you believe that he is in the second phase of his atonement? or was his atonement completed completely back when he ascended?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Blahslove21 INDEED and all our sins must be recorded in the sanctuary
1struthalways 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim You just need to experience a life of a Seventh Day Adventist before knowing their flaws.
Blahslove21 6 months ago 3
@Myhopeisinhim But besides our different religions, we both believe in the one true God. No one knows when he will be coming, but all we know that its a surprise and we have to be ready for his second coming. God Bless
Blahslove21 6 months ago 2
@Blahslove21 Well, now, it is because the SDA church is a cult that it gets all the bad press that it does. Notice that the Baptist Churches, Methodist Churches, Episcopalian Churches, etc etc don't get bad press. That speaks volumes don't you think? As a former SDA i can tell you, without any doubt whatsoever, that the SDA is a cult and a very dangerous one indeed, not least because it looks like, sounds like, and acts like, a mainstream church- but it's teachings are unbiblical
brianhyde63 5 months ago
@brianhyde63 what classifys them as a cult? Educate me.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 Which SDA Church did you go too? and why did you think we are a cult? if you were truly once an SDA Member, what have you learned all those times you were an SDA? what have you gotten out of all the preachings that was given to you? My church that i attend is definitely not a cult, the people there arent dangerous and to top it off, every teaching given on every Saturday always relates to the bible, and i tell you confidently our teachings are BIBLICAL.
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brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 Sorry I did not reply before but I have been very busy. Well, looking at your second but last post, how can I deny your experience? I understand your indignation. But believing a church is teaching the truth is no guarantee that it is. All churches teach some truth from the Bible but its the lies that leaven the lump as it were that can destroy faith.
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 This is why we are to KNOW THE WORD SO WE CAN CALL A PASTOR WHO OF WHEREVER HE IS FROM ON WRONG THEOLOGY THE DEVIL COUNTS ON US NOT KNOWING
1struthalways 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 How can you say that all churches teach some truth? Yes there are some churches that lie that can destroy faith but depends on the person who preaches it.i yet still need to further explore much more about God and its not Ellen G White thats helping me but th church members and th pastors. Whether your wrong or right, i still believe this church can lead me to the right path, they showed me the truth and by that truth my faith is stronger than ever.
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 Of course -- I dont want to deny your experience -- I had the same as I said and then found that what they taught me wqs wrong. If you rely on men in the church to teach you then you are destined to err. Our only safety lies in the word of God not trusting in the arm of flesh.l
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 Only reason why we get a bad press is cos we speak the truth. and as people say "The truth hurts"
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 who speaks the truth forgive the intursion
1struthalways 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 No you dont go by the bible,, you take a view and twist it. Your salvation is based on Sunday or Saturday. Ellen W was a false prophet according to the bible.
douglasdolly 5 months ago 2
@douglasdolly and where does it say according to the bible that Ellen G White was a false prophet? expand more on how we take a view and twist it. And who said that our salvation is based on the day we worship? The day that we worship is a sign of commitment and loyalty to God. Our Salvation is through Christ Jesus our Lord. We follow the teachings of the Bible *including the Ten Commandments, not missing any out.
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 The SDA Church is leading millions astray through a false gospel. It teaches legalism and elitism. As a former SDA I know this to be true so, I for one, do know my facts. The GC of the SDA Church has attempted to cover up the Shut Door teaching of EGW by trying to rewrite this period of EGW's history but fortunately for us we have all the evidence which shows EGW not only be a false messenger but a lying messenger as well. Watch the video!
brianhyde63 4 months ago
@brianhyde63 I too have many things against what I hear of the general conference and as I understand they apologised for teaching the tenants of faith that the great reformers died for..but how can obedience be legalism. I am a sabbatarian myself and I have discovered much of what they teach in the bible. My advice read you bible I belive even e g said cling to your bibles as it reads and obey God and not one of you will be lost. Have you read Prophet of destiny by a secular author...
1struthalways 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 Shalom..
You were trying to say "Cult" not "Occult" though they are.
Many truths exist in the SDA movement, and that is exactly why the lies are so well hidden from those who don't thoroughly know the scriptures.
Come out of Her, there is a Sabbath keeping truth, but it's Not SDA.
Yahushua's blessings to you.
Sven3xs 3 months ago
@Sven3xs Name one lie. that which is not taught by God.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 Indeed a and I intend to address every point on how she is wrong in her observation based on the vid and further research...But I do not go off half cocked I, basing my statements on hatred and prejudiced pre-formed opinions. I do my homework. This I know that the dragon is wroth with the woman and that the SDA are among the most persecuted group.. and that so called ex left solely on the basis of one bad experience their are goats in every group,,,
1struthalways 3 months ago
by much of the christian world there are goats in every group...and did not Jesus say that the last church would be poor blind and naked.. that they would hold back the truth from the rest for fear...it is ppl like you that are causing me to change my mind and consider organized religion after all...maybe I will look further into what my well meaning SDA friends are saying...I am beginning to believe that they are right.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 She does not circumnavigate it but illuminate it further...reports say that SDA using the compass of EG they have a deeper closer relationship with Christ and are less apt to be judgemental or back slide and if they do they hop back on quicker.
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways thats exactly th point iwas trying to convey .
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 Glad to be of help..I get really tired of people slamming other people. I don't go after people, it is not our job to go after people on error it is our job to rebuke systems not peopl, and if we do question people we bring to light their fruit if it be sweet or not....anything i have ever heard of her and or read was favorable her fruit was always sweet...this from non SDA and SDA alike...that is how you know whose heart is his and just in error...
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways awesome way of putting it. Not the people but the system ! amen. you were of so much help ;)
Blahslove21 3 months ago
@1struthalways No, your conclusions is wrong. You judge doctrine by the Word of God and the Holy Spirit not someone's fruits. Even "sweet fruits" are not always an indicator a person is of God. There are many "sweet" humanists and New Agers in the world today. Even Satan can disguiese himself as an "angel" of light..
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@1struthalways You are making the same mistake I made. I was a fierce advocate of EGW until I found her teaching on the Gospel contradicts the scripture. She taught perfectionism -- salvation by sanctification -- the same doctrine of the RCC If you dont believe me check it out. Our guide is not a woman or a man -- its the Holy Spirit.
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 How does the doctrine of the SDA coincide with RCC? I find no similarity at all and what is protectionism..and how is sanctification not biblical Rev 22:11 is clear there will be sancified ones..It is not that i don't believe I just dont understand..I am not a woman who follows anyone but God and scripture is clear we must be obedient to gain Him
1struthalways 3 months ago
@1struthalways RCC teach salvation by good works. SDA teach salvation by good works. Bible teaches salvation by grace thro faith alone Its a gift of grace (Eph 2). EGW taught we must reach a state of sinless perfection in order to be saved. Her writings are full of it. You too are saying "we must be obedient to gain Him" No, only Christ can take away our sin and make us good (Phil 2). Obedience is the fruit of salvation. We do not need to be good to be saved but we must be saved to be good. .
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@Blahslove21 Its not just about EGW. SDAs have adopted ancient Israel's form of govt (polity) with a sinful man as Head and rejected NT priesthood of believers and Headship of Christ (Peter 2; Eph 5); They have adopted ceremonial unclean foods/drink and rejected NT commandment that all things are now clean (Rom 14). They have adopted OC Decalogue and rejected the higher NC 'law' of spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:2). These are just a few of the errors of Adventism
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 youve got everything so wrong. which church did you go to? You seriously know nothing. Come to my church and see what we are missing cos your facts are just wrong straight up.
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@Blahslove21 Well, I can say exactly the same words to you, viz "you have got it all wrong" and "seriously know nothing" So, we prove nothing. I will agree that if I come to your church I will see what "we are missing" alright-- the gospel is what will be are missing my friend, No hard feelings. In peace,
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Blahslove21 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible Ur right!! U are a waste of time
Please, get some help! I know u can't see it, but there is something deeply wrong with u!
I hope ur group of followers can see that ur a want a B cult leader. & if u do not believe in Christ as ur savior & the atonement is finished and by faith you are saved and His merits are imputed to the believer, that is Christ righteousness when the father looks at you He sees Christ. If you don't teach this, then u are leading ur friends to hell
game11221 6 months ago
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U & others believe that we true believers have lost faith when in fact we found it. The trap of fundamentalism,UR apart of, believe that the interpretation affixed to the biblical text is the Truth. It's a trap because in fact U put faith in teachings & other supposed interpretation by proof text method out of context to establish ur delusional theology rather than directly 2 what Scripture teaches. U R a OT believer NOT a NT follower, U dont see were the New is a fulfillment of the Old
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The Bible teaches that faith is the new law because it fulfills the law of the spirit, love, that is to say the trend of the old law We then make void the law through faith? Certainly not, on the contrary, we give to the law its value and its significance. Jesus becomes our law, the law living in the Holy Spirit. He is fulfilling the whole law, including the 10 c
This comment came from a true believer he said it well, I wanted to share!
game11221 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible Ur fried, u must be smoking crack!
Good thing ur not a judge, if u were only u would be saved, due to ur delusional self righteousness
I have explained grace to u , but u do not understand! Ur works mean nothing
See u think if ur good enough then God will love u (now thats pagan) God loves u even if u are not good and if u believe it u will become good. Don't say it! I know I know, u will not understand this statement. Ur so delusional u cant see ur own bullshit
game11221 6 months ago
SDA teachings need to be exposed in a public forum like this because they are based on a deadly mix of law and grace.The Law of Moses was consummated by Christ.Christians are not under law for salvation but under Christ and that is a huge difference.The Old Cov was law and death; the New Cov is Spirit and life. The two ministries cannot be mixed. Whilst there is continuity and discontinuity between the two, the methods are totally different. One was law on stone the other is law in the heart
brianhyde63 6 months ago
Hi Brianhyde63, yes we shouldn't standby nor gaze at each other's fault but make busy and preach the good news and hope for salvation. Tight feelings to other teachings does not go us nowhere. Better declare what your teachings are and we may learn from you. I appreciate your defense for the Lord if it is. May God bless you with peace of mind and more friendly video.
silaymom 6 months ago
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brianhyde63 6 months ago
They did not deny the frustration. We shouldn't gaze at each other's fault. But preach the good news if you got one. We make busy by preparing for the coming of Jesus not pointing another's failure. It is a waste of time, is it not?
silaymom 6 months ago
@silaymom Friend, do u think we should just stand by waiting for Jesus while watching countless numbers go down to hell coz they are being deceived by false teachers? Isn't there a difference between finding fault with a person's motives and finding fault with their teachings? Would you say nothing to a person who tells you that its ok for ur children to learn homosexual techniques in the classroom?.
Eph 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them
brianhyde63 6 months ago
James 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@earsarehearible James 1:26 "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless." Peace brother!
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@b Hi Brother! Seems many do not understand grace and do not understand the true meaning of the cross They hold to the old cov law & claim the new cov. So they hold to law in a attempt to earn grace. But fail to see grace is a free gift from God to all that keeps ones eye on Christ. They hold to law as there saving grace. They focus so much on law - sin they get what they focus on a struggle to be good enough but will fail. Focus on Christ- except what He has done we become good - naturally
game11221 6 months ago
@game Amen!.You know, the most amazing thing about grace is that it really does work and powerfully so! All the while I am looking to Christ's Spirit I am fully able to overcome my sin. Even the desire is taken away! Daily I can testify that "the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2). I never had that experience when I was looking to law to keep me--it was a endless battle with sin which left me with constant guilt and frustration
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@ga Btw my friend, did you ever read what Luther says about the Christian's relation to the Law?
Ist Paul: Galatians 2:19: For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
2nd Luther: "Paul, however, refers PARTICULARLY TO THE ABOLITION OF THE MORAL LAW. If faith alone in Christ justifies, then the whole Law is abolished WITHOUT EXCEPTION" (M Luther Commentary on Galatians Gal II v 19-emphasis mine).
Law is only for the unbelieving wicked until they look to Christ.
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If faith alone in Christ justifies, then the whole Law is abolished WITHOUT EXCEPTION!
Law is only for the unbelieving wicked until they look to Christ
(Rom 8:2). I never had that experience when I was looking to law to keep me--it was a endless battle with sin which left me with constant guilt and frustration
Yup! so true
game11221 6 months ago
@ears A4 You denigrate grace and extol law but do you realise that by condemning your brothers and sisters that you are actually breaking the very law you extol. Let me show you, in case you didn't realise. James "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@brianhyde63 Lets see, Catholic = saved by works, Sda & earrsa saved by grace but Kept by works.
If that's true then one slip there done 4.
Earsa will not answer to what denomination that he belongs to, he must be ashamed of it!
God Bless you! You speak the truth! The true gospel! It feels great to hear these words you speak!
game11221 6 months ago
@earsa A3 It sounds really fanatical to me --just like a cult; because they use similar tactics--iintimidation, threats and demonisation Especially have I found this true of the Messianics. Are you a Messianic? Is this how you win souls to Christ in your church? Is this how you deal with other faiths breaking down instead of building up? What kind of a god do you serve anyway? He doesn;t sound very nice to me.
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@ears A2 they all walked away.Or could it be that you have a beam in your own eye? You know, I have dealt a lot of people lately and they do just what you are doing--condemning, slandering and defaming---and people they don't even know! And do those people reply in kind No, they remain forgiving and show a willingness to talk to you despite you verbal affronts. Now, that I call Christ-likeness. So, tell me brov what kind of an organisation do you belong to?
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@ears A1 What scriptures did you send me? And why do you rant and rave so? Seems you are a disturbed and troubled man. Is your law-keeping really helping you to be a better person when you are filled with so much hatred? It looks doubtful to me. You need gospel peace my brother--quick! I noticed in all your posts that you criticise and judge others consistently. Why is that? Jesus said to those who brought the woman caught in adultery, he who is without sin cast the first stone--and
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@g I prefer to God's interpretation of His Word.You seem to under the delusion that God's grace is antinomianism. How can God operate against His own will? Grace is not adverse to works; it is compatible with them.Genuine good works have only ever flowed from God's grace.They're wrought by the Creator Himself through His very own Spirit.That's why Paul said that the law is established by through faith (Rom 3) Turn to the gospel, my friend, and you will experience real freedom from sinning!
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@ears Under the new covenant those who are born from above look not to law but to Christ who is the embodiment of ALL law. If we're in Him by faith, His Spirit will be teaching us and transforming us thro His word.The law can guide but not save.Christ does both. Law is not for a righteous man, except to delight in; it's for the unrighteous man to constrain him.There's no written law heaven because the law is already "wriiten in the heart" of all who by nature obey God's will.That's grace man!
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@brianhyde63 You have articulated the truth so very well! We can only hope and pray our brothers and sisters will take heed. For the words you have spoke are from the spirit!
God Bless!
game11221 6 months ago
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brianhyde63 6 months ago
@ears No, no, no! My friend, you've got it the wrong way round. Look, when the Spirit writes the law on our hearts (Jer 31:31-34) it produces a life of righteousness that is in FULL harmony with God's will (eternal law). Christ doesn't then send us back to the letter of the law becos we no longer need to even go there. If we are born again we are ALREADY fulfilling the law thro the Spirit! If the Spirit makes you honest you dont need to be told not to lie or cheat.
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
My dearly beloved, the tragedy of our Sunday keeping friends is painful to watch. Their struggle to separate SIN from the LAW literally breaks my heart. I have seen it time & time again where a person says they do not condone sin while at the same time saying keeping the Law is WORKS & shows one professes to be saved by their own righteousness.
We Shabbat keepers need to agree on a special time when each of us pray for these Christians. A tragedy of monumental proportions
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@earsarehearible I happen to know that the person you are talking to here is a dear believer in Christ who loves the Lord Jesus very much and has a most gracious spirit.You should be ashamed of your slanderous words
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@earsarehearible I do hope you the very best! Take care and God bless you! Be Good!
game11221 6 months ago
@e Ur so ashamed of ur denomination u wont tell what it is
U won't tell why u refuse to listen to Paul
No contradicting u just don't get it! Ur confused & don't know what to believe u won't admit it bc of pride Ur pastor has don't a # on u
May not be ur fault, u probably born & raised w ur delusional theology
U dont understand righteousness by faith ur trying to earn a gift by ur own works u have fallen from grace U hve failed 2 release ur self fully 2 Christ
U condemn bc u know no better
game11221 6 months ago
@game11221 Well said.
The tragedy about those who set law against grace is that they are essentially calling God a liar: they are claiming grace is inadequate. The NT is crystal clear that man cannot keep the law to the degree required by the law. It is law-keeping that is inadequate. If we could keep the law perfectly then why did Christ have to die?
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@game11221 Those who teach that we must go back to the law as a means of salvation, or maintaining salvation, are attempting to add works to grace. By so doing they also insult God's free gift and essentially tell Him that what He has done is not enough. Can you imagine--such insolence! This was the Galatian heresy. And EGW was foremost in promoting that very heresy.Fortunately, many Adventists are beginning to see the light and are turning their backs on legalism.
brianhyde63 6 months ago
@brianhyde63
You wrote "Fortunately, many Adventists are beginning to see the light & are turning their backs on legalism"
My dearly beloved may I ask which Adventists these are? What are their teachings now? Are they saying that violating the Law, sinning, will not send one to hell?
If that is what they are teaching then God is no longer with them & they are only pleasing the majority.
E.G.White did say that Adventists will apostatize in the last days so no surprises there.
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
Died to the law Released from from the Law,so we can serve in the newness of the Spirit Fruit of Spirit = love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness gentleness, self-control No law against fruit & those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified flesh w its passions & desires
Law hasn’t disappeared CHRISTIANS led by the Spirit R not under it anymore, in Christ its set aside the righteous requirement of the law is FULLY met IN us now that we are clothed in HIS righteousness
game11221 6 months ago
@e not like Moses, who put a veil over his face to keep the people from gazing at the end
of the glory that WAS being SET ASIDE. But their minds were hardened. To this very day, when they hear the READING of the OLD COV, that same VEIL is STILL THERE
Jeremiah31:31: Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will
make a New Covenant ....31:32 "NOT ACCORDING to the COVENANT that I made with their fathers in the
day that I took them by the hand TO LED THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT
game11221 6 months ago
@earsarehearible We have no self righteousness of our own, we cant take offence in anything, we defend not our dignity or our rights...4 its no longer I who Live but Christ IN ME but in everything we give glory to God that we might gain the more (converts to Jesus) 4 our heart is transformed we feel the heart beat of God ...4 he desires none to perish but for all to come into repentance
Scripture says the righteousness REQUIREMENTS of the law IS "FULLY MET" "IN" us –NOT- "BY" us
game11221 6 months ago
Law (Old Cov Moral Law) cant make u love or change the inner man, it condemns us I wouldnt hve known sin but by the law, it just leaves us guilty, & need of a saviour! Spirit of Life sets us free by this Spirit we can love, SPIRIT CHANGES the inner man & it changes us from glory to glory
TRY 2 FULFILL the law in our OWN FLESH not only undermines the work of the Cross, it puts us under the curse of the law also makes Salvation a matter of works that NO LONGER makes Salvation a GIFT from God
game11221 6 months ago
@ea don't B afraid or ashamed Tell us what denomination u belong to! If u feel ur belief is the true 1 then share so others can look into ur denomination
So why do you disregard Paul ?
Reason u think I speak hypocrisy is do to the fact, a veil is over ur eyes, bc u do not except what Christ has done for u. U are still under the schoolmaster. & ur trying to reach salvation by ur own works. Now u will be judged by the law . U can not serve both cov's at same time, ur serving the bondwomen
game11221 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Repenting! Yes I agree! Yes I agree if we willfully continue in known sin (bc we like the darkness more then the light) Then there is big problems! The blood will not count in ones favor!
We all stumble not willfully, & Christ keeps on cleansing us. how many times to forgive every time. But not to continue in known sin
game11221 6 months ago
@ea When u except Christ the new cov is inhered to, u become not a slave to sin! U belong 2 another! It does not matter who u are, but who's u are!
I hope know 1 listens to u, if so, they will fall from grace
I remember u now! Thats right ur the 1 that believes Paul is false! I am trying to remember what denomination teaches such ignorance
Please stop spreading ur delusional theology
Please tell me ur denomination so I can look into it & believe to like u, come on! be a big boy
game11221 6 months ago
Thanks 4 admitting u dont understand the gospel & havnt excepted Christ.
Paul disagrees with u, so u count him as false. Fascinating! U hve proven 2 u ur saved by ur own righteousness
Again, were did I say I worship the Sun? A true believer puts all trust in Christ & becomes new they do not desire sin bc they desire Christ & love shines through them
So tell me were u born in this cult that ur in? Were did I say, grace is a license to sin? U must be young & immature, they did a # on u
game11221 6 months ago
@ear
If u are led by the Spirit ur not under the Law. [Gal5:18]
Christ is the end of the Law for believers [R10:4]
The law was UNTIL Christ [Gal 3:19]
Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom, not law. [2 Corinthians 3:17]
Christians are not allowed to use their freedom for things of the flesh [Gal 5:13]
Christ has kept them for us, we enter that passing of the test by Faith In Him.[R 10:4 & 8:14]
Christians are under the Law of Christ, [Gal 6:2]
The Law of the Spirit [R 8:2
game11221 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
After Faith has come we are no longer under the Law. [Gal3:25]
Law is weak by the flesh. [R 8:3]
Spirit of Christ frees us from the Law of Sin & Death. [R 8:2] & 2 Cor 3:7]
But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, [R 5:20]
We are now dead to the Law [R7:4]
Law is NOT for the righteous but for the ungodly.[1 Tim 1:8]
Law is a shadow [Heb10:1 & Col 2:17]
Righteous requirement of the Law is FULLY met IN us IN Christ. [R8:14
game11221 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound.[R 5:20] The law doesn’t help us, it leaves us helpless, in need of the Saviour[R 8:2-3] Law’s main purpose is to led us to Christ. [Gal3:24] Christian walk is based on faith not works.[Heb 4:2] Law is not based on faith…[Gal3:12
game11221 6 months ago
@ears Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, u also have (past tense) become dead to the law through the body of Christ, … that we should bear fruit to God.Present tense
Romans 7:5 when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death
Every mouth is silent & the whole world is held accountable by the Law. Romans 3:19]
No 1 is declared righteous by observing the Law. [R3:20] Law makes known to us what sin is. [R 7:7
game11221 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Romans 7:3 It is adultery if 1 joins w another wife (New Cov) while alive to the other wife (Old Cov).
7:4 We are dead to the law (OC) IN Christ so that we can belong to another. (Being the New Cov)
7:5 Law (OC) aroused sinful passions & brought death. 7:6 We have been delivered from the Law (OC)
Are now dead to what held us.(OC) So that we can serve in the Newness of the Spirit. (NC) We serve not in the old way of the letter. (OC)
game11221 6 months ago
@ears Yes believers want to do what pleases God! There lead by the Spirit! Love is in there hearts! The law has lead them to Christ & showed them what sin is. Now they have excepted Christ They put all faith in Him! In doing so there on to a new cov. & past from death to life. They don't cherish the things of this world but cherish the things of God. There not trying to keep the New cov law to be saved, but because they are saved. No matter how bad 1 is once they come to God they 2 can be saved
game11221 6 months ago
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game11221 6 months ago
Saved & secured by Jesus' justifying grace. Romans 8:1, 5:1,9, 3:24, 3:28, 8:30 Gal 3:11, 2:16 John 5:24, Eph 2:8‑9 Titus 3:4‑6
So sad u don't understand grace or except this free gift from God. U rely on ur own works to be justified proves u dont fully except what Christ has done 4 u. U have fallen from grace
Only a legalist would see grace as a license to sin, as u No true believer thinks such a thing! There focus is on Christ, not sin! Ur focus is on sin & will get what u focus on
game11221 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Paul rightfully says "We serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the
old way of the written code"
Congratulations! You’ve just put yourself under the Old Covenant of LAW
Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
supervision of the LAW!
game11221 6 months ago
@e Were did I CURSE Sabbatarians?What makes u think that I don't believe in the Sabbath?
We r saved by grace by faith alone! Come as u R & believe in the Son! Be sanctified by the body of Christ of the spirit of God BE new, Realize Christs died 4 me, He represented 4 me, in my place He stood, sealed me w His blood as long as u believe in Him u cant be lost. The great atonement is complete. True believer hates sin does not Cherish known sin, desire of worldly things fades u belong 2 another
game11221 6 months ago
@ear(Show me 1 script where Christ upholds sinful practices as being fine blind man)
You are so ignorant it's hard to comprehend how someone can read what I have said and come to a conclusion grace is a license to sin. I have never said that! Again that proves u do not understand the gospel. Never once have I suggested what u have lied about me. Never said to profess Christ and continue in willful sin! U prove again ur distorted & delusional in ur understand U fail to comprehend the cross
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehe A true believer hates there sin they do not cherish known sin! By faith there heart changes, & desire God. Love in there heart. Desire to sin fades they become a new.
You think Sin is a act, bc u live to the old cov. where sin is a attitude, we do nothing that is not in our heart! What the mind thinks the body will act! Get it! Where is the new cov written? why it's you heart! We serve in the spirit. Again u have proven ur pagan beliefs that ur saved by ur own righteousness
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehearible not catholic, or like them, they preach saved by works like u do, so ur a much better fit to Rome. U have no clue of the gospel! Where did I ever say, continue in willful sin? I never said what day I worship. I don't see anyone praying the the sun in the shy! Do u sill believe there are other Gods. Who is making sacrifices to these Gods u believe in?
So if some1 that meets on Sunday r they lost? Free women= New cov= salvation by faith through Christ a gift of God.
game11221 7 months ago
@earsareh (diseased speech 4 the gullible) Now that's funny! Lets see, Millerites preached 1843 then 1844 the coming of Christ, poor gullible people! Some so fanatical after failure they held the date & changed the advent, dag. The door was shut they preached to all that rejected there false teachings Dag. They didnt even preach or believe grace- see 1888 Gen.Conf. Meeting. When grace was 1st preach most rejected it, so what in the hell were they preaching! such as E. Smith ect.. arain belief
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that Fruit is obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
Law is like a mirror U shave in thats hanging on the wall, it will show u were the hair is to cut off, only an idiot will take the mirror off the wall & shave with it
(condemned by law & shaved by grace
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
Paul rightfully says We serve in the new way of the Spirit & not in the
old way of the written code
Congratulations! U’ve just put ur self under the Old Covenant of LAW
Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
supervision of the LAW
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehearible Were did I ever say, 2 continue in known sin? Like I said you could not understand my last statement BC u rely on the law as ur saving grace, in doing so, u have fallen from grace. So R U perfect? Y of N
I to the law die to the law, until u die to the law & live to Christ as a method of salvation u R lost.
You don't have to be good to be saved, BUT U have to be SAVED to BE GOOD! Again I know u will not understand this you silly Adventist.
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehearible LEGALISM was the death of the Pharisee and the corruption of the Galatians. It was the reason the Jerusalem council was convened, and the truth was forever settled. The Gentiles were not obligated to follow the Law of Moses. Never was they bound to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath, and neither would they ever be. Our rest is Jesus Christ the person.
martinthezman 7 months ago
@ears No programing here, unlike u due to the fact ur in a cult. If it was 1844 again u would be preaching the shut door to all & when someone disagrees w u, u will just say they live in a fantasy But the fantasy or it should be said, fanaticism is the mirror u look into ur own reflection
U think if ur good then God will love u! Thats pagan. God loves u even if u are not good & if u believe it, u will become good. Its imposable 4 u to understand ur salvation is based on ur own righteousness
game11221 7 months ago
@game11221
You wrote "U think if ur good then God will love u! Thats pagan. God loves u even if u are not good & if u believe it, you will become good. Its impossible 4 u to understand ur salvation is based on ur own righteousness"
My dearly beloved can you help me understand WHY God punished ancient Israel for violating the Shabbat by sending her to Babylon if being good as you call keeping he Law, amount to nothing in His eyes?
And what about the Sodomites? Why were they destroyed? Not SIN?
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Twisting again I see! You speak as your perfect! Interesting! You think grace is a license to sin. No true believer thinks this, only a legalist would think such a thing. I see you do not understand grace, and think your saved by your own righteousness by the law, you have fallen from grace, & will be judged by your own methods. (ur trying to earn a gift( Your a old testament follower and not a new testament believer.
The way u talk is like the door is shut to all but you
game11221 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
When the pharisees couldn't refute Jesus they accused him of having demons. You following in their footsteps?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
Then speak that which you believe to be wrong in my above post and we'll address it:)
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@earsarehearible
You are more than welcome to mention one thing in my above posts that I've just sent that is an evil teaching and not directly biblical, or do you get so enraged by the teaching that we're all saved the same way and that is by trusting in Jesus and his shed blood that you have to speak against anyone who teaches the simple gospel of the cross? Remember as I said before:
Jesus says: Unless you believe that I am [he], you will die in your sins
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago