Tony Abbott - Lord's Prayer in Parliament (Australian Christian Lobby)

[Rafdaganga]

Did any see the chuckle by  Cardinal pell when he said "I was lucky enough to be taught by the Jesuits".....

[Rafdaganga]

Removing the Lord's Prayer is the first step of Islamification off Australia.

[pgoughms]

@Rafdaganga that is ridiculous. It is the beginning of Australia's freedom from religion

[Rafdaganga]

@pgoughms Freedom OF religion.

[lismorehassi]

@Rafdaganga What a stupid ignorant uneducated comment.

[Rafdaganga]

@lismorehassi When a country has a weak host culture, host religion and accepts migrants with a raging militant culture and religion. The culture and religion with a better self-identity will win, and Australia's culture will be no more.

By removing the Lord's prayer, allowing for "ethics classes" that teach cultural relativity rather than what is right and wrong and finally by removing the symbolism of our culture, we allow it to be infiltrated by the Muslims.

[lismorehassi]

@Rafdaganga MMM, infiltrated by Muslims? Thats racist.You sound like Pauline Hanson.How ignorant you are.Considering its the fastest growing religion in the world.The bible is disputed where the Koran is not.So that makes the Lords prayer disputed.Not every one in Australia is Christian.So why should they say it?Australia is not a christian country.I suggest you watch too much channel nine and fox news.

[Rafdaganga]

@lismorehassi 1. Islam is not a race, 2. it spread by the sword, 3. i suggest you take a look at your statistics, Islam may be the fastest growing religion in the world, but it is decreasing slowely and the fastest religion will Christianity in Africa

The first copy of the Quran appeared 100s of years later. WITHOUT DOTS, an arabic word without dots can have 70 different meanings.

I would rather follow JEsus, a chaste loving man then mohammed a pedophile with a political agenda.

[lismorehassi]

@Rafdaganga You obviously know nothing of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).Your answers are short and ignorant in a desperate attempt to cover your Islam phobia.This video is about the lords prayer.Not Islam.Reading your other postings, it seems you are out of touch with the 21st century. Take a chill pill dood and stop spreading hate.Australia is a wonderfully mixed and multicultural society that works.Stop stirring something that does not exist.Live in peace and harmony.

[Rafdaganga]

@lismorehassi No I love, I love australia, and i don't want us to loose our culture. You hate australia with your pathetic attempts to infiltrate it using multicultralism.

Multicultralism is flawed, it assumes all cultures are equal. They are NOT, the western christian culture ( i mean REAL western culture not this alcohol-fueled contraceptive one) is far more superior, than the Islamic one.

Islam is the Shatan, mohammed is Khara. And muslims give middle-easterners a bad name in Australia.

[lismorehassi]

@Rafdaganga Are you having a laugh mate? Western culture has never been anything less then alcohol fueled.It is a fact that multi multiculturalism is successful. If you love Australian as you claim then you would preach tolerance and peace, not hate and lies.You are truly a hilarious and an uneducated twat.Islam reaches far more beyond Arabia.

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga How the hell is that going to lead to Islamification of Australia you idiot? Removing the prayer is a great thing and we should do it ASAP. Why force our politicions to listen to people pray to their unproven imaginary friend in the sky? It's completly absurd.

[Rafdaganga]

@FrankFrankie12 Good question:

It does allow the Islamification of Australia as it removes a large part of our Anglo Culture which has already been diluted through the policy of Multicultralism (basically all cultures are equal except for Christianity and the west).

When a country has a weak host culture, host religion and accepts migrants with a raging militant culture and religion. The culture and religion with a better self-identity will win, and Australia's culture will be no more.

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga So we should push for a complete abolishment of all religions to make it fair. Become an athiest nation of supreme logical and reasoned thinkers who don't pray to their imaginary friends and be looked up to by the rest of the world for shedding the beliefs that are holding humanity back.

[Rafdaganga]

@FrankFrankie12 Christianity does not hold humanity back, infact it enhances it; that is why when you take a look at the Christian cultures throughout the decades they were the fastest growing and survived the best during wars, because of Love. Infact the only thing that's ruining the West and it's destruction is that we're contracepting and aborting our culture out of existence. Look at Europe, it will become an Islamic caliphate at the rate we are going. This is Atheism for you brother.

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga No, faith holds humanity back. Look at the dark ages for one great example. Even now, womans right to choose what they do with their body is being held back, scientific progress if slowing due to the power of religious loby groups. Religion is holding us back badly.

Love doesn't come from Religion.

Religion caused most of the wars in history so yeah... Sort of a crap point to bring up for you.

Europes Islamic rise is a religious problem. Not one caused by Athiesm.

[Rafdaganga]

@FrankFrankie12 It is one caused by Athiesm because there is a loss of religious identity in Europe.

83% of abortions would be prevented if a Woman had support from a Male. The simple fact is you're killing a child in the womb.

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga No, it's caused by a growing number of people who believe in the muslim religion. Athiesm cannot possibly cause an increase the amount of religious people. It's not possible...

And where did you pull that statistic from? Because I highly doubt it's correct and even if it is that has nothing to do with how religion is forcing woman to not have the choice. And that is wrong.

And no, during the legal time for abortion, it is not a baby. It's a parasite technically.

[Rafdaganga]

@FrankFrankie12 Athiesim causes a void, the void is being filled by Islam I got that statistic from “Women Exploited By Abortion”. This is what a life is: 1. Living things are highly organized. 2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy. 3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment. 4. All living things have an ability to reproduce. 5. All living things have an ability to adapt. Does a fertalised egg not have all these qualities.

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga You're so stupid it hurts. The rise of islamic belief is caused by migration of islamic people to Europe from their countries. If Athiesm affected it in any way, it would be cause less people to believe in all religions.

At a cellular level all things are highly organised, even a rock.

Parasites aquire materials and energy by feeding off its host. It cannot do it itself (like a Zygote

Zygotes cannot respond to the environment except by dieing.

A zygote And a baby)...

[Rafdaganga]

@FrankFrankie12 This is what debates have come to usually. Like every secular left thinking liberal out there. When the truth is told, we get called bigots or even stupid.

George Orwell predicted this in his novel 1984

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga ... cannot reproduce. The cells can, but again, that doesn't make it alive.

Zygotes and undeveloped babies cannot adapt to anything except the womb. They die if things change or they are removed.

A fertalised egg is not a baby. It doesn't turn into one for MONTHS. In the beggining, a fertalised egg is as much a person as sperm. Our bodies kill billions of these every year. By your own logic, you're a mass murderer.

[Rafdaganga]

@FrankFrankie12 So what is it? A Fertalised egg of a monkey? A horse? A tree?

It is a Homosapien 23 chromosones from mother 23 from father

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga Again you're wrong. It develops into that but at the beggining it is not a human. It is undeveloped cells. It's the same thing as a sunflower seed in the ground. Yes it could develop into something, but the fact is, it's still a seed and not a sunflower plant.

As it fits every definition of a parasite, the woman should have the right to choose what's done with it. Why is it unreasonable to not force people into having a child they don't want? How does it hurt you?

[manabrau]

saying the Lord's Prayer is an utter embarrassment - not only because Australia is a multi-religious and non-religious country, but because right before the start of the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9 in the bible, Jesus says to NOT pray in public

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

feel free to read the whole chapter for context

[Rafdaganga]

@manabrau A multi-religious society is incorrect.

A multi-religious society accepts that all religions are equal. If all religions are equal, then they are all true. There is only 1 truth, not multiple truths. We can have a religiously diverse society, but 1 religion must stand out.

I will tell you the truth now: It is Christianity. And the fullness of ethics and morals are within the Church.

IE: No Contraception, no abortion, no sex before marriage.

Repent and seek God.

[manabrau]

@Rafdaganga read your bible - it says to say your prayers in *secret* ... so excuse me, it is *you* that needs to repent and seek God's forgiveness for this utter blasphemy and defiance of the teachings of Jesus!! SINNER! .. and while you are at it - stop breaking the first commandment!! BLASPHEMER!!!!!!

[FrankFrankie12]

@Rafdaganga No the one truth is they are all completely false and frankly incredibly stupid.

[AussieEnigma777]

COP OUT Tony..."I" would like to keep the Lords prayer..... "No plans to change it"

Is political speak for "Don't blame ME if it goes, blame those 'other' people who have the balance of power or produce sufficient political pressure"...hmmmmmmm *snide look*

[jimmybillabong]

My non-existent god, you are an idiot Abbott.

As Christopher Hitchen's says religion poisons everything.

Talk about something decent like how the use of condoms is a lesser evil(if you could even call them evil) than the spread of aids, oh no, this is against Catholic teaching. Or putting your Catholic leaders on trial for Child rape.. You are an evil idiot of the highest order. How could the Australian people trust you to be a rational and credible leader when you're still in pretendyland.

[benaberry]

Seperation between church and state is required as it gives freedom to all.

[morningstomper123]

I can't find it in myself to like julia gillard, but I think I will be forever gratefull of the fact the we now have a leader who public declares herself as non-religious. A precedent has been set. My point? This mere fact alone, despite my distaste for julia, makes her ten fold more desirable than this chesse-faced, christian-but-still-tough doucebag.

[LaReinaDelBarrio]

Give me five minutes with Tony Abbott and a dildo and he'll change, I guarantee it.

Ms. LaReina

[MeatCloud]

As a fish needs water in which to live, religion requires an environment of ignorance.

A major part of one's psyche must be missing (or inactive) to live by such 'faith'.

This is even before we consider the mind bending arrogance necessary for an attempt to force such 'beliefes' onto others.

This is truley the realm of Tony Abbot.

His very persona is of form of cancer that threatens Australia.

[Tharg]

Abbott is a cvnt .

He is going on my website - "people who should fuck off"

[DJTOMMIE1]

what an idiot, hes doesn't beleve but he preaches it wtf???

[xingwei12]

Jesuits Your kidding . Do note vote for tony please, There the most dangerous cult in the world.

[EssentialPedagogy]

I was lucky enough to be taught by teachers. Poor me.

I demand that parliament be opened by a prayer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[JarradIRONEAGLE]

Nothing depends on God or any other non-existent constructs. The prayer outdated.