It always annoys me to no ends when feminists try and weasel their way into saying "Oh oh, we did it first!" Most of the time, it's a lie or the person is some insignificant person that hardly did squat. I give respect to people who make breakthroughs that mean something, regardless of gender... or sex, or whatever it is these days.
It's putting ordinary people on a pedestal that pisses me off. Like Darwin, he deserves recognition, but others contributed as well.
"Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women" ~ The Internetz
By definition, I am not a feminist so please learn your terms before throwing them around, silly goose. :)
What is the point on hating on women just because you can't get one? I mean honestly... no-one thinks it's cool to hate on wimminz, you started off as one...
@ShriekoftheVulture3 They've dominated in many fields yet don't gloat or brag, just pick up a history book.
Regardless, it's pathetic to even try to distinguish a line between the sexes with intent to gain some USI, by trying to seem superior to others.
Sex, race, skin type, blood type etc are COMPLETELY irrelevant, please stop hating on women because of your microscopic penis, or for being forever alone.
@DeclanEWilliams "Regardless, it's pathetic to even try to distinguish a line between the sexes with intent to gain some USI, by trying to seem superior to others."
yes, that is exactly what people like you and other feminists are doing. Stop playing the victim. And nice shaming tactic by the way, the "you have a small penis" is one of the oldest tricks in the book
Are you now going to discriminate further to say it was mainly dominated by some other stupid category like cat owners?... just seems like a silly little trolling session trying to gain some USI.
There are plenty of women in computing, yes there are more men, but honestly, who cares?
PS. trying to sound intellectual on the internet is pretty low, nevermind the context of your videos, and even the comments here(I mean Nixon... please...)
My 2 cents anyway, you're entitled to your own thoughts.
I love how johnas1011 responded not once, not twice, but THREE times to my final address to him- the one where I said I was giving him his tiny victory, as i knew he would never shut up either way.
These nerds prove every single psychological observation I make about them.. Hell, they don't even TRY to deny the accusations of poor relationships with women. Most of these socially challenged people at least try to make up a fake Canadian girlfriend.. XD
@planetery I only responded once to your final post. The other responses were to your previous inane drivelling.
Yet here you are, trying to respond again to me (without having the courage to actually hit "reply") when you promised me you would do everyone a favour and shut up!
Regarding your "accusation of poor relationships with women". Why should I give a clear nut job any details about my personal life whatever? You should google "ad hominem" and realise your debate technique is poor.
@johnas1011 Whatever you say, professor. I already noted that you obviously need this ego boost more than I do. Which is why you keep on jabbering at me in the first place. now run along and go play with your frien- oh, right. That's why you're here in the first place- because you don't have any..
@planetery Hello pot, this is kettle calling. You are the one who keeps prolonging this exchange, not I. I suspect it is you who are deficient in friends or why would you keep going and going and going ....ad naseum. You clearly love the attention I am paying you, but to be honest I only keep responding because I find the ridiculousessness of this conversation oddly diverting. I have3 a strange sense of humour that way.
@planetery I hate to point out the obvious, but you making a response to me, which included my user name, but without hitting reply was what restarted the conversation. You made that response so you restarted the exchange, simple as that.
@planetery You appear to be quite stupid. You did not hit reply when you responded to me, therefore I was not notified of your reply in my inbox, therefore it took some time for me to become aware of your cowardly reply. Is this logic too hard for you?
"Bless your little heart, you're trying so hard.." I am trying hard. It is alway hard to explain simple facts and logic to the dimwitted. I hope you appreciate my efforts.
Remarks on her psychological properties are... not fair and not convincing. Many genius male with mathematical talents were and are vulnerable for insanity. Ada had a 'beautiful mind'. And Marie Cury was also a special woman.
Dear Argus you must also read some stuff about history of female and the bias tradition of male.
Harsh? She died, after a long time suffering, much too young: 36 year old.
@Contextcatcher You provide no evidence at all in this rambling, mushy headed response.
Simply asserting "she had a beautiful mind" is not enough...the evidence suggests she had a mildly above average mind. Then you justify this by saying she died at age 36...so what! Lot of people died at age 36 in those days.
Remember the golden rule of responding, if you don't have an actual point to make do not click that POST button.
"I have however the hope that they will be most harmoniously disciplined troops;--consisting of vast numbers, & marching in irresistible power to the sound of Music. Is not this very mysterious? Certainly my troops must consist of numbers, or they can have no existence at all....But then, what are these Numbers? There is a riddle--" or
"...the engine might compose elaborate and scientific pieces of music of any degree of complexity or extent".
Ada made computer programming not possible, but she had a clear vision what the Analytic Engine could produce: 'We may say most aptly, that the Analytic Engine weaves algebraical patterns just as the Jacquard-loom weaves flowers and leaves". She studied Euclid on her own (!) Later on a friend of Babbage August the Morgan was her teacher by post. James Gleick in his recent book "The Information" shows some details of her analytic and visionary thinking. Gleick: "She was programming the machine".
Okay, a short message to the people who've posted the last handful of comments. You appear to be very hateful people, and the only aim of your comments is to spread that hate to satiate your own emotions. You write no intelligent rebuttals at all. So let me say this, I hope that one day you'll grow up a little, get a better character, and then come back here and actually rebut the points I've made in this video. Thanks.
When you use video games as vehicles for insults against real people (like grownups with suitably grownup interests), you only make yourself look stupid, and ALL computer geeks look like arrested development cases.
But whatever. Hey, why don't you go program yourself a robot woman since all the human ones have better things to do than trick with geeky little nebbishes like yourself.
Oh, and get a leather hat like this guy. Robots love that Renn Faire look.
@planetery Oh now your a real person and anyone who disagrees or enjoys different things is not. Welcome to the totalitarian state of planetery, douchebag of the year.
There's only one thing sadder than misogynistic virgin computer programmers-
People who STICK UP FOR THEM.
It's also hilarious, though, because you Know his misogyny stems directly from his inability to get a date. He can't deal with the fact that he is unattractive to women, so he has to demean the entire gender en masse just to keep his self-image intact.
Too bad he spend all his time on computers- if he studied psychology, he might actually be able to mature emotionally over time..
@planetery You may wish to google "shaming language" so you can realize just how trite and hackneyed your insults are. Truely you have an unexceptional, conformist and boring intellect. I think we'd all be grateful if you would keep your opinions to yourself.
Well it's too bad. It would have been very cool if the first programmer (or even one of the first programmers) had been a woman. But that isn't the way it happened, so unless one is writing an alternate history novel, it's no use pretending.
Apart from that, Barbagge live for 80 years and Ada, 37. So he has more time to do something bigger. And Ada have all the things against her, Barbagge doesn't. She had to publish the first time using her initials, she couldn't even put her name to her ideas because of being a woman, so Barbagge in that aspect has more commodities.
I don't say she actually do or programate a Computer, but she yes, help with the basis to do the first computer.
She made notes about a machine (Barbagge's one) that had already existed, and She was who say the "theorical way" of programming this analytical engine to make not only a calculator a computer that actually do some things basic of a computer today, that ideas were hers.
She actually describe a programming language from a machine that was never made and she add things that wasn't there
First off, dude, you list 'credentials' upfront --a fallacious argument from authority at the outset. The rest of your rambling rant is a giant strawman about which NO ONE GIVES A SHIT! I know of NO ONE who has ever claimed Ada either invented the computer or the 'science' (if science it be) of computer programming. Lighten up! Don't get your knickers in a twist. Babbage built a machine; Ada wrote a program! What's your problem? Save your indignation for something that REALLY matters!
@lennhart histroie needs tu be told REIT not wrong, its important tu not giv FALSE kredit for anonthers achievement especiallie just tu boost woman up(or anybody who's getting "boosted")
Women NEED female hero's because without them, women really do look more and more like sperm urinals for men. They need a woman in history they can point to so that they can prove themselves as being something less than a sperm urinal for men. I think this shows just how fragile women really are. They are not comfortable in their own skin because they know for the most part they really are worthless to the advancement of the human race and are damn lucky men have carried them this far!
@NautyKnight Better to have their true history then one made up with a bunch of lies.
When one eats too much junk food their stomach gets upset.
It is wrong on all levels to rewrite history to make women look better.
If you want to look better then actually DO things to become better, its wrong expect people to spread fallacious lies to make you look better without doing the actual work.
A lot of women get misinformed over theses fallacies.
@ManSpeakOut - I agree. It's the same way the news depicted that female police officer as being the hero that at Fort Hood. Turned out to be a black MALE police officer that the bad guy instead as ballistics tests confirmed that her bullets never even hit the guy. But the media had already pre-labeled her the hero that shot the bad guy down and saved countless lives. It took the black man's mother to go to the news and explain the truth of the story just to get him a little bit of airtime.
@NautyKnight They certainly do have female models to point to, I think whats really going on is that they do not have the same/more models to point to then men do. I think that is whats really getting under their skin. Instead of fixing it the right way by doing things today in the present to get these female models. They do it the easy/wrong way. Which is rewriting history itself, to make women look better.
There is the easy/wrong way and the right way, and the wrong choice has been made.
@ManSpeakOut - I don't think they have very many "important" role models to point to at all. And most of their inventors and creators today seem to only focus on inventing shit for women's benefits only. Men paved the way for women to be where they're at. Like I said before, women wouldn't have shit if men hadn't built this world and they're damn lucky that we dragged them along this far! Now it's like they're telling men "Thanks for the ride" and attempting to kick us out of our own car.
@NautyKnight Yeah like how feminists also tried to say that women served on 18th century British warships.
They said they did cause women came to claim medals of honor for serving. They never stopped to think that those women came to claim medals for their husbands that did not survive the war.
Its also funny on how they are now evaluating things women did in the Civil War like sewing, as if women contributed the same amount as the thousands of men who fought and died in that war.
@NautyKnight They say they are oppressed is because everything is run by men, but as I tell them every time. It being run by men mean its not being run FOR men.
How could you deny that fact when acts like VAWA, Primary Aggressor laws, rape shield laws, title 4-D, and title 9 in effect right now?
@ManSpeakOut - Men have created the world today to accommodate women. When they're unhappy we're unhappy because men are pussy-whipped and feel a need to provide and accommodate women - generally in hopes of love and sexual gratuity. Machines, computers, as well as civil rights (were all developed and created by men). These are the three largest creations man has made that make "gender equality" somewhat possible. Take those away and women would be completely dependent on men once again.
@NautyKnight Wow, this is the most reductionist, superficial depiction of gender history I've come across in a long time. Congratulations on reaching new depths of head-up-the-assery! And by the way I agree that Lovelace's role in computer history has been overrated.
@arolindsay - And of course a woman speaks up and has no counter-argument at all to the facts because she can't argue the facts - only insult the one who presented the facts! You see, all women have to offer to civil discussions about their gender are irrational insults towards men because they hate themselves for being women. And since you're just a woman arolindsay, and because I know you hate your freeloading, dependent-on-men, dick-less/ball-less gender, I'll dismiss you're last comment.
@ManSpeakOut - Men will never stop trying to make the world an accommodating place for women. Throughout history, men have gone out of their way (and even died) to develop a world for women. Machines have replaced male strength and computers have made it so that (men and women) don't have to use their own brains anymore. It's a simplified world. Men have made it that way so that women could *feel equal* to men. And now women want to *feel superior* and men will accommodate them with that too!
Was there a first programmer? Was there a first computer scientist? Was there a first human? All three of these things seemed to have evolved gradually from accumulated events of the past. I don't think Ada Byron was the first programmer because mathematicians have been doing primitive programming since ancient civilization. Maybe historians should credit Byron as the first popularizer of programming on machines since that is what she did.
Another informative video Argus. There is no greater weapon than the truth. Did you notice the absence of feminist trolls on this forum? I suspect that when the topic of conversation is technologically based, the feminists don`t have enough knowledge of the topic to make an intelligent response.
For a female maths hero, check out Florence Nightingale. She saved lives by using pie charts to prove that cleaning wards reduced deaths.
I know almost no women who stay up to 4am coding for the sheer joy of it. There's a few, but the distribution is skewed. To use a phrase out of it's usual context, they're just not that into it.
We must make every woman welcome, if they have the skills. Positive discrimination is not helpful and may result in female graduates of a lower average quality.
Argus, you might be interested to learn of another woman who played a role in the first description of DNA by Watson and Crick. In Biology last year, we were shown a documentary on Rosalind Franklin, a skilled experimental scientist, specifically with x-ray photography. The video, of course, took the angle that she was cheated out of recognition in providing some work critical to Watson and Crick. The film admitted that she hid her data and refused to share it with the science community. (CONT)
(Pt.2) The film portrayed Crick as a fool that didn't know what he was doing, desperate for her help. Hoarding data and not making it available to others is terrible behavior for a scientist, and the data had to be secretly given to W&C by Franklin's boss. Subsequently, in accounts of how they made the discovery, neither of them acknowledged Franklin's work, an action I disagree with, but her selfish and mindless behavior was despicable. The class felt sorry for her, but I didn't.
It is a shame Ada gets all the credit without deserving it. If you want a poster child, "Amazing Grace" Hopper made some serious contributions to the development of computers. First compiler (possibly the first bug but I think parts of that story are apocryphal), and a lot of work on the process of computer development.
Even if Ada was the "first" programmer, so the fuck what! If the first programmer was a Nazi Officer it would not matter why does the "badge" of a HUMAN even matter.
wow im doing this for a computer project due tommorrow u seem like a big quier or fag and u have no authority to cuss considering nerds rnt supposed to.dumb ass
I was under the impression that the most overrated figure in the history of computing was the douchebag with the webcam and the YouTube accounts that thinks his opinion actually matters...
1,125 subscribers think my opinion matters. By any account it's more than an idiot who no one listens to who doesn't even make any valid points at all and speaks like a thirteen year old.
So that's 1,125 people as socially maladapted as you are- not so great of an achievement on the internet. Funny, too, that you equate use of netspeak as a lack of erudition rather than a person communicating in the vernacular of the environment. Regardless, all of this is moot as the truly amusing thing here is your pathological need to address EVERY commenter on your page (most video posters have better things to do with their time, after all). Which, of course, only proves my point further.
Only losers respond to EVERY comment on their page- look around. The fact that he's compelled to anyway just shows how insecure he is (that & the fact taht he's trashing a woman who's been dead for a couple of centuries- like, get a fucking life).
Then again, maybe you just don't get it because you're just like him... (do you have a stupid hat & gay lisp, too?).
@planetery Your point being, you did not agree with what he had to say so you called him nasty names. Hence why you come across as a thirteen year old.
@ArgusEyes I would like to point out that many people who subscribe to others do not necessarily consider their opinions to matter; some might find one's opinions worthy of mockery and be merely amused of them.
The original commenter was wrong by saying that "computer programming was made possible by a woman". However, even if the title of "first computer programmer" is invalid, I say is a useful tool to maintain Lovelace's place in the popular lexicon, such as "inventor of the lightbulb".
@ArgusEyes She (the author of the original comment) may have overstated Ada's importance, but she got one thing right, you are an angry brit. And your view on Lovelace is just as overstated as her.
It seems pretty clear that your allegiance is to your political views, not the truth.
@planetery I have to agree with ArgusEyes here here "person who has mis-spelled "planetary"". To counter his logical and fact-filled exposition you spout a quick ad-hominem and then trot out the trite buzz-word of the month "FAIL". In doing so you reveal yourself to be of sub-standard intelligence. As I do to many commenters on YouTube, I advise you to google the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" as I feel it describes you well.
@johnas1011 Funny that you would blindly assume that it was not done on purpose. If you knew my real name, you would understand the joke quite plainly. But I do not care what you think anyway, as you are just some random internet troll who insults me- a person he knows NOTHING about, at all, whatsoever- and does so in order to stick up for some misogynistic virgin fashion victim who's bashing a lady who's been dead for centuries over an issue only nerds care about anyway. Cheers. :)
@planetery How limited is your perspective (and your sense of humor by the way...planetery...hoho laugh? I nearly)
For to me, it is you who are "just some random internet troll".
Additionally you have left at least 18 comments under this video alone, rather a lot for someone who doesn't care about the issues discussed (maybe you're a secret nerd hey?).
Furthermore I didn't insult you, I helped you realize the limitations of both your intellect and education. No charge:)
@johnas1011 Your insults are paltry at best. I won't get into a battle of wits with the unarmed.
And the only reason there are 18 comments on here is because sad little people like you keep addressing me over something I said to this fool over a year ago. You should ALL get a life.
Apparently the only irony being missed here is your continued *ATTEMPTS* to deride my intelligence (and thus vaunt your own), which have ALL been embarrassingly inept.
Anyway, the REAL question here is why are you so devoid of an actual life that you continue this asinine harangue? You are as bad as the douche bag in this video.
I bet you can't even remember the last time you actually had sex with a living human female...
@johnas1011 LMFAO I just now googled "Guybrush Threepwood"- a video game? REALLY?
You tried to insult me by name-dropping a character from a VIDEO GAME?!?
HILARIOUS. Thank you- I haven't laughed that hard in quite some time.
Good day to all you gentlemen- enjoy your children's games. That IS what they are, after all, regardless of the recent social acceptability of self-identifying as a "gamer" (you might as well just call yourself a masturbator).
@planetery The fact that I know more about pop culture (and indeed all culture) than you do does not prove that I am a kid. Rather the reverse in fact.
The fact that the insult inherent in me comparing you to a character from a video game went right over your head is however to be expected at this point.
@johnas1011 Simply by suggesting video games are "culture", you have already insulted yourself.
You're going to keep on responding no matter how many times I answer you, aren't you? And keep on being insulting regardless of what I say to you? Of course. Because this is where you get to be the big man. Okay, pitiful big man- I will give you your molehill. You win the War of the YouTube comments. Hooray. You could tell your grandchildren about it (if you ever have them).
@planetery That's right I am going to continue responding because stupidity and ignorance must be challenged in order for it to change. I repeat that I am not being insulting, I genuinely beleive your brain needs help. Sorry for your ignorance.
(Its not finished and go easy on me, I'm only thirteen)
I dont claim to be an expert in this field but it cant be denied that she had raw intelligence and potential. I believe she is more remembered and acknowleded for her attitude and strength rather than her achievments (which were some what stunted by the age she lived in). Maybe not though. Im not too sure :)
Her attitude was immensely arrogant and her strength was not her own since she was molly-coddled and man-handled (literally) the whole way. People want to put her on a pedestal because they want to egg up the achievements of women in history.
If Ada was alive today I believe her skills and imagination would take her much further, without the limitations she would be recognised as one of the pioneers of science.
I think that statement broke my mind. What are you basing that on?
Women in the past have achieved great things, look at Marie Curie. If Ada was a mathematical genius then she could have achieved notoriety by merely producing works in her own time.
I see nothing about her that would indicate that she would be one of the pioneers of science. Scientific pioneers are predominantly male, even in our modern age.
In a way Adas achievement should not be measured by what she discovered but by the fact that she strove to achieve despite the constraints that society set upon her as a woman. In a way it is more a measure of character than academic achievement. Nevertheless she was a highly skilled mathematician and also had the imagination to foresee the potential of Charles Babbages invention.
No comment on most of this video but one thing I must say:
Welcome to the club. Seriously. Listening to people make claims about a field, like you say, that you actually know about is mind-numbingly painful. As someone studying bioinformatics I cannot describe the pain I experience seeing videos questioning evolution.
Her work with a Bernoulli numbers was at least ONE of the first completed rudimentary "programs". Insomuch as she is one of the first, I guess that's what I mean by "essential". But it was never actually put to test. I was wondering though that since they completed Babbage's analytical engine, couldn't they "run" Lovelace's program on it to see if it worked?
That would be interesting. From what I understand, the creation of the machine was quite a roller coatser ride. They were working to a deadline and some parts of the it were always breaking and snapping when they would turn the handle to test it. I imagine that they were happy when it was done and didn't want to touch it again. Remember that they tried to be as faithful to Babbage's original as possible - So they avoided machine manufacture of the parts, the aim was to see if Babbage was right.
I addressed Ada's "program" in the video. Babbage wrote the paper and the program, it was published under Ada's name. In the words of Bruce Collier: "Ada was mad as a hatter and contributed little more to the 'notes' than trouble..".
My point is that your historical logic can be applied to many other cases where credit was unduly given. Take Edison for instance. He didnt make the first recording tech*, that was Charles Wheatstone in 1821. Lovelace, however, was an essential early figure in the development of computer programming. I dont think one can deny that. Aristocratic women who were math inclined only had to ask for a tutor and she would get it. But it was far more common for men to be involved, and it still is.
I disagree with your characterisation of Ada as an "essential early figure". Not at all in my opinion. She contributed nothing new, no course of history was changed by her. She tagged along on Babbage's coat-tales.
You make a simple point: Lovelace did not make the first program (but Babbage didnt make the first true program either). The roots of sequential programming for machines dates back to Jacquard's punchcard technique. Babbage didnt even create the first calculating machine, that is the credit of Charles de Colmar.
Very good. I didn't have time to go into that at detail but I did mention in the email that "the history of computation winds way back to napier's bones and ancient cultures" (at 1:40) what I meant by that is similar to what you said. The field of computing history goes back beyond Babbage.
However, like the history of classical physics goes back in time past Newton, we can still summarise that newton "started classical physics" in that he put the fires under that particular movement to a far greater degree than any other, and I think Babbage's situation is similar to this even thought he didn't complete either of his machines.
The argument you both have made seem to come from pro-male and pro-female thinking, which is wrong. All contributions (and contributors) to all fields should be praised and encouraged to both sexes.
Note: You criticize her for labeling you "the angry brit" yet do the same by calling her an "idiot". You're both working for feminism, which is based on hating and disrespecting the opposite sex rather than embracing it.
I dont agree with you, in this case Arguseyes is explaining that Ada Lovelace's contributions are widely overstated. And showing just one example of a typical feminist tactic to overstate their own gender's historic works and to not give just praise to the men who actually did the work.
This video is not meant as a criticism to Ada Lovelace herself, but to the delusions and dishonesty of feminism.
MaryLovesJoseph: My argument comes from no such place. I have read historical sources which explain why the significance attributed to Ada Lovelace is completely overstated. I used to admire her myself and, like I said in the video, I used to say that I would name my first daughter "Ada".
The common claims such as "the first programmer" are proveably false. Because I am opposing a female supremacist position does not make my own position anti female or pro male.
The idiot comment. That was an insult for her being so completely dishonest and careless with what is truthful because she doens't like it. When she replied "oh, it's the angry brit.. big yawn". It was a pathetic attempt to pretend like she doesn't care when she couldn't answer the matter in a substantive way, her belief system disallows admitting fault to a man vise a vise female supremacy so she made that answer. That alone discounts her from further discussions.
But, my email to her was not angry. It was a straight forward pointing out of the flaws in her argument. Now, when people contact me respectfully then I answer respectfully. But when people come to me throwing bombs then I will give a like answer in return.
Because two people insult each other does not make it a relativistic equal situation. Who started it? If a guy throws the first punch at me then my return punch, whether more damaging or not, is not of equal wrongness to his.
If you are truly interested in understanding the connection between women in science and technology receiving credit for their contributions, I would suggest this book: "Nobel Prize Women in Science" by Sharon Bertsch McGrayne
Watching the end of your video and hearing your reasons why more women are not in technology is a common echo with men in technology. They don't understand why there are so few women.
To understand why this is and what you can do to make conferences, LUG's, meetups, classes and events that focus on technology more friendly for women, Google for this article
"HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux"
by Valerie Aurora. She is a Linux/Unix developer and is currently consulting for Red Hat.
this is what i wrote on her page 'DAMN so you the BITCH....ArgusEyes straight OWNED YOUR ASS in his video 'Ada Lovelace: The most overrated figure in the history of computing'
'oh its the angry brit *big yawn*' BIG FAIL'
no doubt she'll delete it, but i felt like adding insult to injury
Why is Ada Lovelace so overrated? Because like Marie Curie, she is a woman. You see, when men excel, no one cares because it's the norm, so when a woman does something half decent, they go way over board with praise.
"Oh no, it's the angry Brit!" = "Oh no, I've been found out!"
That's the disadvantage feminists have on the interweb, there are member of the 'Y' Generation on here. They need to stick to their women's centers to get constant approval because they don't let men in. The web is still unisex.
They want women to take over every subject to push men out that's all. And then make positive discrimination to dominate the work place, so men become dependent and thus, second class!
I did a year of Computer Engineering, part of the reason why I flunked out was because out of a class of 400 there may have been only 10 girls or so... Daily sausage fests sucked.
Now I'm in IT Management, and, again, mostly guys.
Girls just don't care about that stuff, it isn't an insult, they just don''t.
I'm not going to attempt to argue that men dominate Baking, we don't, and frankly, who cares.
That hat rocks! I'd wear it man. Dude, same thing in my field. On the wall is a list of "Greatest Female Composers"--you've never heard of a one of them. Total nonsense. They will lie about anything. Oh, and you're the farthest thing from angry. You're Mr. Genial--seriously.
Fact: everyone is stupid but you. Cheers!
GlorifiedTruth 1 week ago
It always annoys me to no ends when feminists try and weasel their way into saying "Oh oh, we did it first!" Most of the time, it's a lie or the person is some insignificant person that hardly did squat. I give respect to people who make breakthroughs that mean something, regardless of gender... or sex, or whatever it is these days.
It's putting ordinary people on a pedestal that pisses me off. Like Darwin, he deserves recognition, but others contributed as well.
avdmeers 3 weeks ago
Awesome Brit + Awesome accent = awesome video. Love it when people disprove feminist revised history.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
what is the point? feminists like you can't handle rational arguments, just use shaming tactics
ShriekoftheVulture3 3 months ago
@ShriekoftheVulture3 D'awww here we go again;
"Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women" ~ The Internetz
By definition, I am not a feminist so please learn your terms before throwing them around, silly goose. :)
What is the point on hating on women just because you can't get one? I mean honestly... no-one thinks it's cool to hate on wimminz, you started off as one...
DeclanEWilliams 3 months ago
if women dominated in a major field, women would gloat and brag
yet when you mention a field men excel in, these women do their best to make it look as "Equal" as possible
pathetic.
ShriekoftheVulture3 3 months ago
@ShriekoftheVulture3 They've dominated in many fields yet don't gloat or brag, just pick up a history book.
Regardless, it's pathetic to even try to distinguish a line between the sexes with intent to gain some USI, by trying to seem superior to others.
Sex, race, skin type, blood type etc are COMPLETELY irrelevant, please stop hating on women because of your microscopic penis, or for being forever alone.
DeclanEWilliams 3 months ago
@DeclanEWilliams "Regardless, it's pathetic to even try to distinguish a line between the sexes with intent to gain some USI, by trying to seem superior to others."
yes, that is exactly what people like you and other feminists are doing. Stop playing the victim. And nice shaming tactic by the way, the "you have a small penis" is one of the oldest tricks in the book
ShriekoftheVulture3 3 months ago
@ShriekoftheVulture3 D'awwwww someones butthurt. :D
Feminist?, no I'm just sane and rational. lmao xD
At least come back with an actual arguement, not just whining like a lil'bitch.
Forever alone.
DeclanEWilliams 3 months ago
@ShriekoftheVulture3 Haha usomad, yusomad?
You are so deluded it's beyond funny. Next it'll be that wimminz are from jupiters and are hatching a plot to make all men eat marmite. xD
"dey took'er jawbs" amirite huh?
DeclanEWilliams 3 months ago
Are you now going to discriminate further to say it was mainly dominated by some other stupid category like cat owners?... just seems like a silly little trolling session trying to gain some USI.
There are plenty of women in computing, yes there are more men, but honestly, who cares?
PS. trying to sound intellectual on the internet is pretty low, nevermind the context of your videos, and even the comments here(I mean Nixon... please...)
My 2 cents anyway, you're entitled to your own thoughts.
DeclanEWilliams 4 months ago
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you are right that it seems that people try so desperately to make everything look "equal" when it just is not true.
ShriekoftheVulture3 4 months ago
you are right that it seems that people try so desperately to make everything look "equal" when it just is not true.
ShriekoftheVulture3 4 months ago
Great video. Keep up the good work!
ShriekoftheVulture3 4 months ago
I love how johnas1011 responded not once, not twice, but THREE times to my final address to him- the one where I said I was giving him his tiny victory, as i knew he would never shut up either way.
These nerds prove every single psychological observation I make about them.. Hell, they don't even TRY to deny the accusations of poor relationships with women. Most of these socially challenged people at least try to make up a fake Canadian girlfriend.. XD
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery I only responded once to your final post. The other responses were to your previous inane drivelling.
Yet here you are, trying to respond again to me (without having the courage to actually hit "reply") when you promised me you would do everyone a favour and shut up!
Regarding your "accusation of poor relationships with women". Why should I give a clear nut job any details about my personal life whatever? You should google "ad hominem" and realise your debate technique is poor.
johnas1011 5 months ago
@johnas1011 Peals of laughter.
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery "Peals of laughter"....more like squeals of humiliating defeat as I once again demonstrate your sub-optimal intellect.
johnas1011 5 months ago
@johnas1011 Whatever you say, professor. I already noted that you obviously need this ego boost more than I do. Which is why you keep on jabbering at me in the first place. now run along and go play with your frien- oh, right. That's why you're here in the first place- because you don't have any..
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery Hello pot, this is kettle calling. You are the one who keeps prolonging this exchange, not I. I suspect it is you who are deficient in friends or why would you keep going and going and going ....ad naseum. You clearly love the attention I am paying you, but to be honest I only keep responding because I find the ridiculousessness of this conversation oddly diverting. I have3 a strange sense of humour that way.
johnas1011 5 months ago
@johnas1011 YOU are the one who started this conversation up after TWO WHOLE WEEKS.
I rest my case. Crawl back in your hole now.
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery I hate to point out the obvious, but you making a response to me, which included my user name, but without hitting reply was what restarted the conversation. You made that response so you restarted the exchange, simple as that.
johnas1011 5 months ago
@johnas1011 And that was TWO WEEKS AGO.
You restarted the exchange a couple of days ago.
You see how that works? A couple of days ago is a DIFFERENT period of time than two weeks ago.
Bless your little heart, you're trying so hard... XD
planetery 5 months ago
@planetery You appear to be quite stupid. You did not hit reply when you responded to me, therefore I was not notified of your reply in my inbox, therefore it took some time for me to become aware of your cowardly reply. Is this logic too hard for you?
"Bless your little heart, you're trying so hard.." I am trying hard. It is alway hard to explain simple facts and logic to the dimwitted. I hope you appreciate my efforts.
johnas1011 5 months ago
Remarks on her psychological properties are... not fair and not convincing. Many genius male with mathematical talents were and are vulnerable for insanity. Ada had a 'beautiful mind'. And Marie Cury was also a special woman.
Dear Argus you must also read some stuff about history of female and the bias tradition of male.
Harsh? She died, after a long time suffering, much too young: 36 year old.
Contextcatcher 6 months ago
@Contextcatcher You provide no evidence at all in this rambling, mushy headed response.
Simply asserting "she had a beautiful mind" is not enough...the evidence suggests she had a mildly above average mind. Then you justify this by saying she died at age 36...so what! Lot of people died at age 36 in those days.
Remember the golden rule of responding, if you don't have an actual point to make do not click that POST button.
johnas1011 5 months ago
Ada's dream for the future:
"I have however the hope that they will be most harmoniously disciplined troops;--consisting of vast numbers, & marching in irresistible power to the sound of Music. Is not this very mysterious? Certainly my troops must consist of numbers, or they can have no existence at all....But then, what are these Numbers? There is a riddle--" or
"...the engine might compose elaborate and scientific pieces of music of any degree of complexity or extent".
She was a fine nerd.
Contextcatcher 6 months ago
Ada made computer programming not possible, but she had a clear vision what the Analytic Engine could produce: 'We may say most aptly, that the Analytic Engine weaves algebraical patterns just as the Jacquard-loom weaves flowers and leaves". She studied Euclid on her own (!) Later on a friend of Babbage August the Morgan was her teacher by post. James Gleick in his recent book "The Information" shows some details of her analytic and visionary thinking. Gleick: "She was programming the machine".
Contextcatcher 6 months ago
Okay, a short message to the people who've posted the last handful of comments. You appear to be very hateful people, and the only aim of your comments is to spread that hate to satiate your own emotions. You write no intelligent rebuttals at all. So let me say this, I hope that one day you'll grow up a little, get a better character, and then come back here and actually rebut the points I've made in this video. Thanks.
ArgusEyes 6 months ago
@ArgusEyes Others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win, unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. -Nixon
fookumother 4 months ago
A piece of advice, computer geeks-
When you use video games as vehicles for insults against real people (like grownups with suitably grownup interests), you only make yourself look stupid, and ALL computer geeks look like arrested development cases.
But whatever. Hey, why don't you go program yourself a robot woman since all the human ones have better things to do than trick with geeky little nebbishes like yourself.
Oh, and get a leather hat like this guy. Robots love that Renn Faire look.
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery Oh now your a real person and anyone who disagrees or enjoys different things is not. Welcome to the totalitarian state of planetery, douchebag of the year.
johnas1011 6 months ago
There's only one thing sadder than misogynistic virgin computer programmers-
People who STICK UP FOR THEM.
It's also hilarious, though, because you Know his misogyny stems directly from his inability to get a date. He can't deal with the fact that he is unattractive to women, so he has to demean the entire gender en masse just to keep his self-image intact.
Too bad he spend all his time on computers- if he studied psychology, he might actually be able to mature emotionally over time..
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery You may wish to google "shaming language" so you can realize just how trite and hackneyed your insults are. Truely you have an unexceptional, conformist and boring intellect. I think we'd all be grateful if you would keep your opinions to yourself.
johnas1011 6 months ago
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@DragonAge2k "u women are failed"?
#1 - I am a man. Take this penis and suck it.
#2 - I can haz grammar edukayshun now? You are "teh comment fail".
#3- This guy is still a hilariously laughable douchebag with serious issues towards women.
planetery 7 months ago
this is a male chauvinistic pig, and a brain that only works for the convenience of males. Well you do sound like a muslin man.
WARGIRLWARGIRL 8 months ago
@WARGIRLWARGIRL "muslin" = a loosely-woven cotton fabric. I'm not sure your brain is working too well for the convenience of females right now eh! ;)
johnas1011 6 months ago
LOL, this video is hilarious.
Why democracy fails: Every idiot who gains a voice thinks they are intelligent.
fsuarez20051 8 months ago
@fsuarez20051 Let abolish democracy because you don't like free speech. Wow welcome to fascism. Heil Fsuarex20051!!!! Ja Vol mein Commendant!
johnas1011 6 months ago
Well it's too bad. It would have been very cool if the first programmer (or even one of the first programmers) had been a woman. But that isn't the way it happened, so unless one is writing an alternate history novel, it's no use pretending.
SailorBarsoom 9 months ago
Apart from that, Barbagge live for 80 years and Ada, 37. So he has more time to do something bigger. And Ada have all the things against her, Barbagge doesn't. She had to publish the first time using her initials, she couldn't even put her name to her ideas because of being a woman, so Barbagge in that aspect has more commodities.
vampiricamentemagica 9 months ago
I don't say she actually do or programate a Computer, but she yes, help with the basis to do the first computer.
She made notes about a machine (Barbagge's one) that had already existed, and She was who say the "theorical way" of programming this analytical engine to make not only a calculator a computer that actually do some things basic of a computer today, that ideas were hers.
She actually describe a programming language from a machine that was never made and she add things that wasn't there
vampiricamentemagica 9 months ago
Peter file hat.
chica476 9 months ago
You're an ass.
LauraaLyn 9 months ago
Will ArgusEyes make a video on Marie Curie ? She is also another overrated figure but I don't think she achieved everything on her own.
TimeGod12 11 months ago
First off, dude, you list 'credentials' upfront --a fallacious argument from authority at the outset. The rest of your rambling rant is a giant strawman about which NO ONE GIVES A SHIT! I know of NO ONE who has ever claimed Ada either invented the computer or the 'science' (if science it be) of computer programming. Lighten up! Don't get your knickers in a twist. Babbage built a machine; Ada wrote a program! What's your problem? Save your indignation for something that REALLY matters!
lennhart 1 year ago
@lennhart histroie needs tu be told REIT not wrong, its important tu not giv FALSE kredit for anonthers achievement especiallie just tu boost woman up(or anybody who's getting "boosted")
LeonSkottKennedey 9 months ago
Women NEED female hero's because without them, women really do look more and more like sperm urinals for men. They need a woman in history they can point to so that they can prove themselves as being something less than a sperm urinal for men. I think this shows just how fragile women really are. They are not comfortable in their own skin because they know for the most part they really are worthless to the advancement of the human race and are damn lucky men have carried them this far!
NautyKnight 1 year ago
@NautyKnight Better to have their true history then one made up with a bunch of lies.
When one eats too much junk food their stomach gets upset.
It is wrong on all levels to rewrite history to make women look better.
If you want to look better then actually DO things to become better, its wrong expect people to spread fallacious lies to make you look better without doing the actual work.
A lot of women get misinformed over theses fallacies.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago
@ManSpeakOut - I agree. It's the same way the news depicted that female police officer as being the hero that at Fort Hood. Turned out to be a black MALE police officer that the bad guy instead as ballistics tests confirmed that her bullets never even hit the guy. But the media had already pre-labeled her the hero that shot the bad guy down and saved countless lives. It took the black man's mother to go to the news and explain the truth of the story just to get him a little bit of airtime.
NautyKnight 11 months ago
@NautyKnight They certainly do have female models to point to, I think whats really going on is that they do not have the same/more models to point to then men do. I think that is whats really getting under their skin. Instead of fixing it the right way by doing things today in the present to get these female models. They do it the easy/wrong way. Which is rewriting history itself, to make women look better.
There is the easy/wrong way and the right way, and the wrong choice has been made.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago
@ManSpeakOut - I don't think they have very many "important" role models to point to at all. And most of their inventors and creators today seem to only focus on inventing shit for women's benefits only. Men paved the way for women to be where they're at. Like I said before, women wouldn't have shit if men hadn't built this world and they're damn lucky that we dragged them along this far! Now it's like they're telling men "Thanks for the ride" and attempting to kick us out of our own car.
NautyKnight 11 months ago
@NautyKnight Yeah like how feminists also tried to say that women served on 18th century British warships.
They said they did cause women came to claim medals of honor for serving. They never stopped to think that those women came to claim medals for their husbands that did not survive the war.
Its also funny on how they are now evaluating things women did in the Civil War like sewing, as if women contributed the same amount as the thousands of men who fought and died in that war.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago
@NautyKnight They say they are oppressed is because everything is run by men, but as I tell them every time. It being run by men mean its not being run FOR men.
How could you deny that fact when acts like VAWA, Primary Aggressor laws, rape shield laws, title 4-D, and title 9 in effect right now?
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago
@ManSpeakOut - Men have created the world today to accommodate women. When they're unhappy we're unhappy because men are pussy-whipped and feel a need to provide and accommodate women - generally in hopes of love and sexual gratuity. Machines, computers, as well as civil rights (were all developed and created by men). These are the three largest creations man has made that make "gender equality" somewhat possible. Take those away and women would be completely dependent on men once again.
NautyKnight 11 months ago
@NautyKnight Wow, this is the most reductionist, superficial depiction of gender history I've come across in a long time. Congratulations on reaching new depths of head-up-the-assery! And by the way I agree that Lovelace's role in computer history has been overrated.
arolindsay 9 months ago
@arolindsay - And of course a woman speaks up and has no counter-argument at all to the facts because she can't argue the facts - only insult the one who presented the facts! You see, all women have to offer to civil discussions about their gender are irrational insults towards men because they hate themselves for being women. And since you're just a woman arolindsay, and because I know you hate your freeloading, dependent-on-men, dick-less/ball-less gender, I'll dismiss you're last comment.
NautyKnight 9 months ago
@ManSpeakOut - Men will never stop trying to make the world an accommodating place for women. Throughout history, men have gone out of their way (and even died) to develop a world for women. Machines have replaced male strength and computers have made it so that (men and women) don't have to use their own brains anymore. It's a simplified world. Men have made it that way so that women could *feel equal* to men. And now women want to *feel superior* and men will accommodate them with that too!
NautyKnight 11 months ago
Was there a first programmer? Was there a first computer scientist? Was there a first human? All three of these things seemed to have evolved gradually from accumulated events of the past. I don't think Ada Byron was the first programmer because mathematicians have been doing primitive programming since ancient civilization. Maybe historians should credit Byron as the first popularizer of programming on machines since that is what she did.
KarBytes 1 year ago
i bet you wouldn't care if she didn't have an uterus.
revolutiongrl 1 year ago
@revolutiongrl Well neither would you......
wranglers575 1 year ago
U mean Linda Lovelace the actress of deep troath?
JosLutgens 1 year ago
Another informative video Argus. There is no greater weapon than the truth. Did you notice the absence of feminist trolls on this forum? I suspect that when the topic of conversation is technologically based, the feminists don`t have enough knowledge of the topic to make an intelligent response.
1WhoSeeks 1 year ago
I fell asleep while watching you read. You seem to be as sexist as your hat is flamboyant.
osrevad 1 year ago
Sofia Kowaleskaya > Ada Lovelace dude!
PashupatiFR 1 year ago
Nice video. I enjoyed it.
MrRubiez 1 year ago
ur a douche bag im related to ada lovelace!! faggot
freighttraindude 1 year ago
@freighttraindude the truth hurts sometimes!
Yakenjokin 1 year ago
you are a basterd. i am related to ada lovelace you douche bag
freighttraindude 1 year ago
Wow, that's pretty interesting. I don't think it's right to prop up women simply because they are women. I am one too.
littl3x 1 year ago
Didn't know that the Amish use computers. I guess battery powered computers are alright to use as long as it's not the devil AC power. Right Yoder?
krushnoi 1 year ago
For a female maths hero, check out Florence Nightingale. She saved lives by using pie charts to prove that cleaning wards reduced deaths.
I know almost no women who stay up to 4am coding for the sheer joy of it. There's a few, but the distribution is skewed. To use a phrase out of it's usual context, they're just not that into it.
We must make every woman welcome, if they have the skills. Positive discrimination is not helpful and may result in female graduates of a lower average quality.
eprints 1 year ago
You're all arguing on the internet. You all lose.
LeClassics 1 year ago
@LeClassics and what are you doing?
Yakenjokin 1 year ago
@Yakenjokin Making a statement, duh.
LeClassics 1 year ago
@LeClassics Arguing on the Internet is fun!
PashupatiFR 1 year ago
Argus, you might be interested to learn of another woman who played a role in the first description of DNA by Watson and Crick. In Biology last year, we were shown a documentary on Rosalind Franklin, a skilled experimental scientist, specifically with x-ray photography. The video, of course, took the angle that she was cheated out of recognition in providing some work critical to Watson and Crick. The film admitted that she hid her data and refused to share it with the science community. (CONT)
Eincrou 1 year ago
(Pt.2) The film portrayed Crick as a fool that didn't know what he was doing, desperate for her help. Hoarding data and not making it available to others is terrible behavior for a scientist, and the data had to be secretly given to W&C by Franklin's boss. Subsequently, in accounts of how they made the discovery, neither of them acknowledged Franklin's work, an action I disagree with, but her selfish and mindless behavior was despicable. The class felt sorry for her, but I didn't.
Eincrou 1 year ago
Before making another chauvinistic comment, two questions:
1. Are you first at *anything* in your 40+ years being a dead weight on the planet?
2. Does the sheer genius of these greats - Babbage, Ada, et al, who were two hundred years ahead of time - even compute to you?
siplinayishoto 1 year ago
It is a shame Ada gets all the credit without deserving it. If you want a poster child, "Amazing Grace" Hopper made some serious contributions to the development of computers. First compiler (possibly the first bug but I think parts of that story are apocryphal), and a lot of work on the process of computer development.
googlyneil 1 year ago
Even if Ada was the "first" programmer, so the fuck what! If the first programmer was a Nazi Officer it would not matter why does the "badge" of a HUMAN even matter.
-1 for feminazism
bizzare3 1 year ago
wow im doing this for a computer project due tommorrow u seem like a big quier or fag and u have no authority to cuss considering nerds rnt supposed to.dumb ass
patriotsmadden08 2 years ago
Disgusting, but I watched the whole thing. The guy is fabulous! Hollywood, hello, here is your perfect actor for playing crazy nerds :)
aryzhov 2 years ago
Fantastic, someone on youtube who actually makes sense. :)
Sunoco 2 years ago
HILARIOUS-
I was under the impression that the most overrated figure in the history of computing was the douchebag with the webcam and the YouTube accounts that thinks his opinion actually matters...
Fail. Not even Epic. Just... fail.
planetery 2 years ago
1,125 subscribers think my opinion matters. By any account it's more than an idiot who no one listens to who doesn't even make any valid points at all and speaks like a thirteen year old.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
So that's 1,125 people as socially maladapted as you are- not so great of an achievement on the internet. Funny, too, that you equate use of netspeak as a lack of erudition rather than a person communicating in the vernacular of the environment. Regardless, all of this is moot as the truly amusing thing here is your pathological need to address EVERY commenter on your page (most video posters have better things to do with their time, after all). Which, of course, only proves my point further.
planetery 2 years ago
Yeah
Damn that arguseyes fella for not pointing out the flaws in peoples arguements on the video THAT HE MADE.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
That didn't make sense.
planetery 2 years ago
?
(that post without sarcasm)
Arguseyes should be alowed to answere any question and take up any debate on his own videos.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Only losers respond to EVERY comment on their page- look around. The fact that he's compelled to anyway just shows how insecure he is (that & the fact taht he's trashing a woman who's been dead for a couple of centuries- like, get a fucking life).
Then again, maybe you just don't get it because you're just like him... (do you have a stupid hat & gay lisp, too?).
planetery 2 years ago
How is he a loser? He is simply replying to the comments left on his video.
How is he insecure? He is simply showing that she was very overated.
Yes people who examine history and talk about it really need to "get a fucking life"
Solid logic
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
@planetery Gay lisp means he is an homosexual coding in Lisp?
PashupatiFR 1 year ago
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@planetery Back to the use of Ad hominem. My suspicions were correct. Did you google all those big words?
1WhoSeeks 1 year ago
Yeah, I was right- you ARE. Just saw your page. Misogynistic atheist, huh? Yeah, you're evolved... :P
planetery 2 years ago
Damn your smart, He's a misogynist! i really couldn't pick that up myself but how did you?..
Oh you didn't your just making up bullshit.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Blah blah blah.
That's basically what you're saying, right?
BTW- I know he's a misogynist because I saw his videos. DUH...
planetery 2 years ago
Fucking moron
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
@planetery Your point being, you did not agree with what he had to say so you called him nasty names. Hence why you come across as a thirteen year old.
1WhoSeeks 1 year ago
@1WhoSeeks LMFAO That was a year ago, no? The only ones who care are You and This twat.
planetery 1 year ago
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@planetery So now you are fourteen?
1WhoSeeks 1 year ago
I'm not going to entertain this clueless idiot (planetery) any longer, I suggest you do the same..
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
@ArgusEyes In retrospect, I think the problem is not so much that you hate women- it's that you LOVE men.
planetery 1 year ago
@ArgusEyes And 1,125 subscribers for trifles like these sounds like the epitome of overrated.
planetery 1 year ago
@ArgusEyes I would like to point out that many people who subscribe to others do not necessarily consider their opinions to matter; some might find one's opinions worthy of mockery and be merely amused of them.
The original commenter was wrong by saying that "computer programming was made possible by a woman". However, even if the title of "first computer programmer" is invalid, I say is a useful tool to maintain Lovelace's place in the popular lexicon, such as "inventor of the lightbulb".
1angelette 1 year ago
@ArgusEyes She (the author of the original comment) may have overstated Ada's importance, but she got one thing right, you are an angry brit. And your view on Lovelace is just as overstated as her.
It seems pretty clear that your allegiance is to your political views, not the truth.
Fuglebolle 8 months ago
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@Fuglebolle Any evidence to back up this comment? No oh ok why not shut up then!
johnas1011 6 months ago
@planetery YES hahaha
LauraaLyn 9 months ago
@planetery I have to agree with ArgusEyes here here "person who has mis-spelled "planetary"". To counter his logical and fact-filled exposition you spout a quick ad-hominem and then trot out the trite buzz-word of the month "FAIL". In doing so you reveal yourself to be of sub-standard intelligence. As I do to many commenters on YouTube, I advise you to google the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" as I feel it describes you well.
johnas1011 6 months ago
@johnas1011 Funny that you would blindly assume that it was not done on purpose. If you knew my real name, you would understand the joke quite plainly. But I do not care what you think anyway, as you are just some random internet troll who insults me- a person he knows NOTHING about, at all, whatsoever- and does so in order to stick up for some misogynistic virgin fashion victim who's bashing a lady who's been dead for centuries over an issue only nerds care about anyway. Cheers. :)
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery How limited is your perspective (and your sense of humor by the way...planetery...hoho laugh? I nearly)
For to me, it is you who are "just some random internet troll".
Additionally you have left at least 18 comments under this video alone, rather a lot for someone who doesn't care about the issues discussed (maybe you're a secret nerd hey?).
Furthermore I didn't insult you, I helped you realize the limitations of both your intellect and education. No charge:)
johnas1011 6 months ago
@johnas1011 Your insults are paltry at best. I won't get into a battle of wits with the unarmed.
And the only reason there are 18 comments on here is because sad little people like you keep addressing me over something I said to this fool over a year ago. You should ALL get a life.
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery I'll just translate your last reply into MonkeyIsland speak......"I am rubber, you are glue".
Like Guybrush Threepwood, you've have just lost at insult swordfighting. I will accept your reluctant concession of defeat. Thank you and good day.
johnas1011 6 months ago
@johnas1011 "you've have just lost at insult swordfighting"?
I'm not even going to comment- this makes fun of itself.
Good day. Better luck next time.
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery Whoooosh. That one went clear over your head didn't it.
As does the irony of saying "I'm not even going to comment" in a comment replying to my comment.
Not a lot going on up top is there? Never mind... perhaps your good with your' hands.
johnas1011 6 months ago
@johnas1011 "perhaps your good"?
Apparently the only irony being missed here is your continued *ATTEMPTS* to deride my intelligence (and thus vaunt your own), which have ALL been embarrassingly inept.
Anyway, the REAL question here is why are you so devoid of an actual life that you continue this asinine harangue? You are as bad as the douche bag in this video.
I bet you can't even remember the last time you actually had sex with a living human female...
planetery 6 months ago
@johnas1011 LMFAO I just now googled "Guybrush Threepwood"- a video game? REALLY?
You tried to insult me by name-dropping a character from a VIDEO GAME?!?
HILARIOUS. Thank you- I haven't laughed that hard in quite some time.
Good day to all you gentlemen- enjoy your children's games. That IS what they are, after all, regardless of the recent social acceptability of self-identifying as a "gamer" (you might as well just call yourself a masturbator).
You're just a KID. Run along junior...
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery The fact that I know more about pop culture (and indeed all culture) than you do does not prove that I am a kid. Rather the reverse in fact.
The fact that the insult inherent in me comparing you to a character from a video game went right over your head is however to be expected at this point.
johnas1011 6 months ago
@johnas1011 Simply by suggesting video games are "culture", you have already insulted yourself.
You're going to keep on responding no matter how many times I answer you, aren't you? And keep on being insulting regardless of what I say to you? Of course. Because this is where you get to be the big man. Okay, pitiful big man- I will give you your molehill. You win the War of the YouTube comments. Hooray. You could tell your grandchildren about it (if you ever have them).
Bye, virgin. :)
planetery 6 months ago
@planetery That's right I am going to continue responding because stupidity and ignorance must be challenged in order for it to change. I repeat that I am not being insulting, I genuinely beleive your brain needs help. Sorry for your ignorance.
johnas1011 6 months ago
(Its not finished and go easy on me, I'm only thirteen)
I dont claim to be an expert in this field but it cant be denied that she had raw intelligence and potential. I believe she is more remembered and acknowleded for her attitude and strength rather than her achievments (which were some what stunted by the age she lived in). Maybe not though. Im not too sure :)
FloraTheExplorer123 2 years ago
Her attitude was immensely arrogant and her strength was not her own since she was molly-coddled and man-handled (literally) the whole way. People want to put her on a pedestal because they want to egg up the achievements of women in history.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
@ArgusEyes Ha ha. You're debating with a 13-year old.
It's a joke that tells itself.
planetery 1 year ago
If Ada was alive today I believe her skills and imagination would take her much further, without the limitations she would be recognised as one of the pioneers of science.
FloraTheExplorer123 2 years ago
I think that statement broke my mind. What are you basing that on?
Women in the past have achieved great things, look at Marie Curie. If Ada was a mathematical genius then she could have achieved notoriety by merely producing works in her own time.
I see nothing about her that would indicate that she would be one of the pioneers of science. Scientific pioneers are predominantly male, even in our modern age.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
hi there, yes this is a fact...i always wondered this dominant fact...
in my opinion female mentality has not that kind of ambitiousness like men can have..this is beside of a view exceptions a generally fact.
well, men rival automatically, the male looks for getting better and to win...womans have not that kind of genetic disposition...
these fundamnetal differents cause these differents..
the male is generally more a perfectionism and he really dives into a subject like a obsessed
Serpico261 2 years ago
In a way Adas achievement should not be measured by what she discovered but by the fact that she strove to achieve despite the constraints that society set upon her as a woman. In a way it is more a measure of character than academic achievement. Nevertheless she was a highly skilled mathematician and also had the imagination to foresee the potential of Charles Babbages invention.
FloraTheExplorer123 2 years ago
I agree on the imagination point. I think "highly skilled mathematician" is hyperbole, she was a gifted amateur.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
I am in the process of writing an essay about Ada Lovelace at the moment. I am nearing the end and so far the conclusion i have come to is that,
(Its too long to put into one comment so i will continue it in the next two comments)
FloraTheExplorer123 2 years ago
No comment on most of this video but one thing I must say:
Welcome to the club. Seriously. Listening to people make claims about a field, like you say, that you actually know about is mind-numbingly painful. As someone studying bioinformatics I cannot describe the pain I experience seeing videos questioning evolution.
Spacemonkey2084 2 years ago
You should wear the hat more
Fuunken 2 years ago
I must get one.
Pumpkinhead77 2 years ago
Her work with a Bernoulli numbers was at least ONE of the first completed rudimentary "programs". Insomuch as she is one of the first, I guess that's what I mean by "essential". But it was never actually put to test. I was wondering though that since they completed Babbage's analytical engine, couldn't they "run" Lovelace's program on it to see if it worked?
unfortunatebeam 2 years ago
That would be interesting. From what I understand, the creation of the machine was quite a roller coatser ride. They were working to a deadline and some parts of the it were always breaking and snapping when they would turn the handle to test it. I imagine that they were happy when it was done and didn't want to touch it again. Remember that they tried to be as faithful to Babbage's original as possible - So they avoided machine manufacture of the parts, the aim was to see if Babbage was right.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
I addressed Ada's "program" in the video. Babbage wrote the paper and the program, it was published under Ada's name. In the words of Bruce Collier: "Ada was mad as a hatter and contributed little more to the 'notes' than trouble..".
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
My point is that your historical logic can be applied to many other cases where credit was unduly given. Take Edison for instance. He didnt make the first recording tech*, that was Charles Wheatstone in 1821. Lovelace, however, was an essential early figure in the development of computer programming. I dont think one can deny that. Aristocratic women who were math inclined only had to ask for a tutor and she would get it. But it was far more common for men to be involved, and it still is.
unfortunatebeam 2 years ago
I disagree with your characterisation of Ada as an "essential early figure". Not at all in my opinion. She contributed nothing new, no course of history was changed by her. She tagged along on Babbage's coat-tales.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
You make a simple point: Lovelace did not make the first program (but Babbage didnt make the first true program either). The roots of sequential programming for machines dates back to Jacquard's punchcard technique. Babbage didnt even create the first calculating machine, that is the credit of Charles de Colmar.
unfortunatebeam 2 years ago
Very good. I didn't have time to go into that at detail but I did mention in the email that "the history of computation winds way back to napier's bones and ancient cultures" (at 1:40) what I meant by that is similar to what you said. The field of computing history goes back beyond Babbage.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
However, like the history of classical physics goes back in time past Newton, we can still summarise that newton "started classical physics" in that he put the fires under that particular movement to a far greater degree than any other, and I think Babbage's situation is similar to this even thought he didn't complete either of his machines.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
Hmm...yeah I guess I have to agree. Babbage ignited the flames.
unfortunatebeam 2 years ago
The argument you both have made seem to come from pro-male and pro-female thinking, which is wrong. All contributions (and contributors) to all fields should be praised and encouraged to both sexes.
Note: You criticize her for labeling you "the angry brit" yet do the same by calling her an "idiot". You're both working for feminism, which is based on hating and disrespecting the opposite sex rather than embracing it.
MaryLovesJoseph 2 years ago
I dont agree with you, in this case Arguseyes is explaining that Ada Lovelace's contributions are widely overstated. And showing just one example of a typical feminist tactic to overstate their own gender's historic works and to not give just praise to the men who actually did the work.
This video is not meant as a criticism to Ada Lovelace herself, but to the delusions and dishonesty of feminism.
oekedulleke 2 years ago
MaryLovesJoseph: My argument comes from no such place. I have read historical sources which explain why the significance attributed to Ada Lovelace is completely overstated. I used to admire her myself and, like I said in the video, I used to say that I would name my first daughter "Ada".
The common claims such as "the first programmer" are proveably false. Because I am opposing a female supremacist position does not make my own position anti female or pro male.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
The idiot comment. That was an insult for her being so completely dishonest and careless with what is truthful because she doens't like it. When she replied "oh, it's the angry brit.. big yawn". It was a pathetic attempt to pretend like she doesn't care when she couldn't answer the matter in a substantive way, her belief system disallows admitting fault to a man vise a vise female supremacy so she made that answer. That alone discounts her from further discussions.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
But, my email to her was not angry. It was a straight forward pointing out of the flaws in her argument. Now, when people contact me respectfully then I answer respectfully. But when people come to me throwing bombs then I will give a like answer in return.
Because two people insult each other does not make it a relativistic equal situation. Who started it? If a guy throws the first punch at me then my return punch, whether more damaging or not, is not of equal wrongness to his.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
I replied to your comment on my video.
If you are truly interested in understanding the connection between women in science and technology receiving credit for their contributions, I would suggest this book: "Nobel Prize Women in Science" by Sharon Bertsch McGrayne
adriarichards 2 years ago
Watching the end of your video and hearing your reasons why more women are not in technology is a common echo with men in technology. They don't understand why there are so few women.
To understand why this is and what you can do to make conferences, LUG's, meetups, classes and events that focus on technology more friendly for women, Google for this article
"HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux"
by Valerie Aurora. She is a Linux/Unix developer and is currently consulting for Red Hat.
adriarichards 2 years ago
this is what i wrote on her page 'DAMN so you the BITCH....ArgusEyes straight OWNED YOUR ASS in his video 'Ada Lovelace: The most overrated figure in the history of computing'
'oh its the angry brit *big yawn*' BIG FAIL'
no doubt she'll delete it, but i felt like adding insult to injury
TENNSUMITSUMA 2 years ago
Lol, cheers
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
and what the fuck is a 'first class degree'
what an associate degree
TENNSUMITSUMA 2 years ago
A degree in which I recieved the highest classification possible. It goes 1st, 2.1, 2.2, 3
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
oh....sorry it must be a euro thing. in the US we got a associates, bachelors, masters, pHD degree
TENNSUMITSUMA 2 years ago
Sorry, it was a BSc a bachelor of science degree, by classification I essentially mean the grade achieved.
Basically I'm a smart motherfucker. :)
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
@ArgusEyes
Do you honestly believe that the title makes the person?
hmm...
chica476 9 months ago
ah fuck the video response you already raped this bitch that came at you wrong. so ill have mercy on her....this time
TENNSUMITSUMA 2 years ago
Why is Ada Lovelace so overrated? Because like Marie Curie, she is a woman. You see, when men excel, no one cares because it's the norm, so when a woman does something half decent, they go way over board with praise.
superbear720i 2 years ago
Pretty much.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
That freddy kruger hat.
smoking1212 2 years ago
its all about the hat.
O_O
oh and here comes a video response
(man this is video is great)
TENNSUMITSUMA 2 years ago
"Oh no, it's the angry Brit!" = "Oh no, I've been found out!"
That's the disadvantage feminists have on the interweb, there are member of the 'Y' Generation on here. They need to stick to their women's centers to get constant approval because they don't let men in. The web is still unisex.
They want women to take over every subject to push men out that's all. And then make positive discrimination to dominate the work place, so men become dependent and thus, second class!
ERiCDrAyViN 2 years ago
All counter agruements are void thanks to that godly hat!
LtPaulo 2 years ago
I did a year of Computer Engineering, part of the reason why I flunked out was because out of a class of 400 there may have been only 10 girls or so... Daily sausage fests sucked.
Now I'm in IT Management, and, again, mostly guys.
Girls just don't care about that stuff, it isn't an insult, they just don''t.
I'm not going to attempt to argue that men dominate Baking, we don't, and frankly, who cares.
Just a fact, that is it.
whatnameisavailablee 2 years ago
Exactly.
Are you a woman? Why did you flunk if the class was mostly men?
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
Ah sorry, I didn't make that clear. No I'm a heterosexual male..
But, A 3 year relationship ended while in Computer Engineering, and as result I needed/craved a substitute... and basically none to choose from.
And, since the program was intense the people who were in it were the only people in my life leaving little time to find someone else elsewhere.
This is in addition to a hand full of other reasons why I hated the program. Mostly, all were social problems though. Too isolating.
whatnameisavailablee 2 years ago
I guess that's why women are more likely to dislike it. Women like to socialise more.
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
In any case, I like your videos (Y) :)
whatnameisavailablee 2 years ago
@whatnameisavailablee But they do leave us for dead in the fields of celebrity gossip and fashion.
1WhoSeeks 1 year ago
everything is upside down, its cool
Obsidean 2 years ago
You talking about history there? Or do I have something wrong with my face? :)
ArgusEyes 2 years ago
That hat rocks! I'd wear it man. Dude, same thing in my field. On the wall is a list of "Greatest Female Composers"--you've never heard of a one of them. Total nonsense. They will lie about anything. Oh, and you're the farthest thing from angry. You're Mr. Genial--seriously.
pinegrove33 2 years ago
feminism is analogious too religion ,it requires a leap of faith to swollow ,provide as much evidance as you like thier not interested in the truth .
sausage4mash 2 years ago