New Religion New Mass - Traditional Catholic Latin Mass

[IgnacioAgramonte]

GREAT VIDEO!!!

[timothypjohnson]

Great contrast: the reverent, rational, Catholic worship of God vs the neo-protestant worship of Man, a satanic counterfeit "mass" for Vatican II apostates.

Be careful of invalidly ordained "priests" though, i.e. those ordained under the spurious Pauline ordinal. They frequently celebrate invalid Tridentine rite "masses".

[Oblationem]

“It is written: ‘We ought to obey God rather than men.’ Now sometimes the things commanded by a superior are against God. Therefore, superiors are not to be obeyed in all things.”

(Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae, Q. 104, A. 5)

[mburmy]

@Oblationem Don't take these verses out of context. Jesus told Peter, "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven," and this applies to his successors as well. Pius V had every right to bind it, and Paul VI had every right to loose it.

Besides, I've seen sloppily-done Tridentine Masses, and reverently-done Novus Ordo Masses...

[Oblationem]

@mburmy

Reverently done Novus Ordo Masses?

Even if everyone in the Novus Ordo church were levitating three feet off the ground with halos around their heads, the Novus Ordo mass (small m) would still have Protestant and Jewish elements in it. In fact, the ‘Neocatechumenal Way’ mass just approved by the Vatican has a Jewish Chanukkiah on the Novus Ordo table. How does this glorify God who founded the Catholic Church?

[mburmy]

@Oblationem The Tridentine Mass has the Lavabo, doesn't it? That's a Jewish element, why don't you object to that?

[Oblationem]

Many things in the Tridentine Mass are from the Jewish tradition before the book is moved from the Epistle side of the Altar to the Gospel side. After the book is moved, it signifies the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New and Everlasting Convent of Jesus Christ; the Jews are no longer the chosen people. In the Novus Ordo mass is a corruption of Protestant and Jewish customs through out the mass. Every religion is equal; but Jesus founded only one religion. Catholic.

[mburmy]

@Oblationem Um, the Labavo is at the beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist...looks like they missed a Jewish element.

[sofioagainstevlobama]

@mburmy but christ and his mission doesn't change. the pope is the vicar of christ on earth. jesus doesn't contradict himself. he's not going to say " you only can take communion on the tounge" then You can take it in your hand if you want. he's not going to say "outside the cathoic church there is no salvation" then people out side the church can still get to heaven". this is not christ. man

[Megastephen1o1]

@mburmy I agree with you. Which ever mass is the most prominant will have the most abuse because it will have the most priests, as well as the most bad priests. I've heard horror stories from the pre-VII days of priests with truck mirrors on the alter so they could watch their parishioners. Also St. Vincent de Paul once worked training priests who were ordained and could barely speak Latin, I doubt their masses would have had some abuse. All mass can have abuse.

[TraditionalRC12]

@mburmy

what i find that all modernists have in common to justify what they THINK is the church they have to attack the Traditional Latin mass and the Apostolic church to justify conciliar actions. i used to be one of those people. it is a very simple argument and it is ALMOST sound. I acknowledge the popes authority but obedience is the servant of faith not of obedience, bottom line even if one intends well the new mass is a sacrilege and very disrespectful, a protestant service not Catholic

[sofioagainstevlobama]

@Oblationem AMEN!!



[Oblationem]

@tantumergo3

Even if the Novus Ordo were valid, it is still a danger to your Catholic faith. By their fruits you shall know them eh? To be truly Catholic is to be faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church as taught for 2,000 years – not to a Pope who's actions and books that he wrote say otherwise. By defending the teachings of the Church we/you are defending the Church and the Papacy eh? Be on guard against heresy…

[joshuayap2005]

What's the gray prominent thing at the middle?

[joshuayap2005]

Blasphemous New "Mass" and Masonic Altar.

[balboahigh1999]

This Novus Ordo Mass in the U.S. is despicable. The liberties taken are inexcuseable, and local bishops do nothing about it! The Diocese of Colorado Springs is the worst.

[davidemtl]

@balboahigh1999

The new mass in Canada isn't as bad where I'm from..but it's invalid nevertheless...from my research there are only churches not close by that I can have my daughter go for first communion, very depressing

[balboahigh1999]

@davidemtl David, it is most depressing.  I couldn't agree with you more.

[TheSicilianSaxophone]

This next generation of seminarians are certainly vouching for the TLM. Myself included. We need prayers for strong wholesome priestly vocations.

[balboahigh1999]

@TheSicilianSaxophone Are these seminarians attending the FSSP, Sovereign Priest seminaries and other around the world?

[TheSicilianSaxophone]

@balboahigh1999

Nope. Diocesan and Religious seminaries alike. I can't speak for all young seminarians, but I will say this: tradition is the cornerstone of our faith. While I am not at any rate on this bandwagon that the NO mass is "invalid", I'm greatly upset at the lack of reverence for the tradition that is the Catholic faith, which is spawned from NO abuse. Myself, I'm going to enter the Dominican Order.

[balboahigh1999]

@TheSicilianSaxophone Good for you. Was not aware that the non Tridentine seminaries have seminarians who prefer the Tridentine Rite. In fact, I thought the current NO seminaries didn't even allow thinking about the TR, much less join an TR order! I just see the U.S. Church as a renegade entity! And most of its bishops. Just come to Colorado Springs, and there you shall experience what is the worst, or close to it.

[TheSicilianSaxophone]

@balboahigh1999

Following Summorum Pontificum (moto proprio) by the Holy Father in 2007, that's been up to the priest, even without permission of the bishop. I sincerely hope that in the future every parish (with appropriate architecture) will be required to hold a weekly TLM. There's only one TLM parish in my diocese :( Wonderful priests, really. Past year they've sent two boys off to a carmelite seminary. Reverence, vocations, and evangelization go hand in hand! Pax Christi

[Lumpunzik]

I was shocked to hear bells at the Novus Ordo Mass....

[newtochrist]

is this latin mass church in communion with Rome ?

it's so beautiful

[Oblationem]

@newtochrist

No one in the SSPX is excommunicated. ‘All’ of the laity are in good standing according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. A better question would be: Is Rome and the New Mass in communion with the truths of Catholicism?

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem I don't believe that the SSPX is excommunicated, Pope Benedict XVI even wants to compromise with Bishop Bernard Fellay and and reunite both sides of the church back into one. He's even made the traditional mass more available to the Catholics who want it.

[Oblationem]

@HomeSkillet489

The pope has made the Indult Mass available to those who accept the New Mass (small m). Traditionalists don't accept the New Mass because it was made Protestant to please Protestants and Jews, not because it glorified the truths of Catholicism. This has been proven many times. Study up...

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem Glad to get to hear from you again brother. Happy Immaculate Conception Day. God bless.

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem I am against radicalism, both radical traditionalism and radical modernism, but I don't feel it's my place to condemn them. We need to focus on not on our differences but on what we all as traditionalists, modernists and neutrals share; "Membership in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church."

[Oblationem]

@HomeSkillet489

Me too, I'll just stick with and focus on what the Church has always and everywhere taught. If you want to be palsy walsy come back to the true faith.

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem For we need to come together as sheep of Jesus and glorify Him together not seperated against each other and fighting based on differences, but coming together to glorify God and the Lamb together as a Church. Our Lord once said that every house divided against itself will be made desolate.

[Oblationem]

@HomeSkillet489

No thanks, I'll keep what the saints have had for over 2,000 years. Traditionalists have introduced nothing new.

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem Christ said His church would last forever and that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. Let's fulfill His words by setting aside our differences as traditionalists neutrals and modernsists and restore order. We as a church should stop fighting Pax Domini set semper vobiscum.

[Oblationem]

@HomeSkillet489

Yes, and it is Traditionalists that are keeping the true faith burning. To set aside as you say, would be to set aside the teachings of the Catholic Church as taught up until Vatican II. No thanks...

[HomeSkillet489]

@newtochrist In 1969, Pope Paul VI issued a new eiditon of the Roman Missal which is the current one used in most churches today commonly called the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. The Latin Mass was never forbidden, but it was restricted. You could only have a Latin Mass with your bishop/archbishop's approval at the time.

[HomeSkillet489]

@newtochrist However many bishops were ignoring this laxity and making it to where you were automatically "excommunicated" from the church if you went to a Latin Mass and the same was for the priest celebrating it. But Pope John Paul II issued his Ecclesia Dei in 1988 categorically forbidding that bishops cannot forbid it. And Pope Benedict XVI issued his Summorium Pontificum which made it towhere you were no longer required to get permission for the Latin Mass.

[HomeSkillet489]

@newtochrist Rome actually encourages this form of the Mass. There are many traditionlist Catholic orders today that make this mass available to us including but not limited too the Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Benedictines of Mary, and the Institute of Christ the King. Priase be to the Latin Mass now and forever. Pax domini set semper vobiscum.

[FPFN1513]

I am a roman catholic.. this is like seeing the church I used to go before, it was exactly like that and almost like everyother catholic church I visited. this went on for over 20 years until I could not longer stand it, my family as well...I go now to a church that celebrates Latin mass.

this is dispicable centered in people, "..just let God to be Good and let us alone!" We must repent and convert from this, seek for a real roman catholic church, sorry I am faithful to the Holy church. MH

[mrhalwes]

@FPFN1513 I am not a Catholic and find any kind of "mass" ridiculous. How many of those Priests abuse children? The New Order Priest looked like he picked the wrong career anyhow. He should be a social worker, doctor, etc. He probably wants to help people but that isn't done through some medieval grotesque religion.

[soogle1000]

irgtjioergeioadijgvdkfl'driogj­... o sorry ive started watching catholic masses from my computer instead of actually going so my head hits the keyboard instead of the pew in front of me when i fall asleep.

[TheCatholicFaithfu]

This video is going to give me nightmares.



[domburton]

@TheCatholicFaithfu The singing is already giving me nightmares. And I'm still awake.

[TheCatholicFaithfu]

You know, I just listened to this priest, and I only attend the Latin Mass, but I have to say, this priest's homily didn't have an heresy. He made basic points that a lot of people from the N.O. don't even know. He's really trying, may God reward him. He shouldn't be calling attention to anyone in the community other than Jesus during the sermon, per the rubrics. Also, the casualness and the omitting of the point of the season (preparing our hearts through penance) hurts the message.

[TheCatholicFaithfu]

I've listened to parts of both sermons, and both pastors seem like they are doing well. As for the liturgy itself --- that's another story.

[arrysortanez]

I am just a new Traditionalist Catholic, and even I was born into the Novos Ordo, I never in my life in going to these masses, never saw anything like this level of abuse before, Thanks be to God for the SSPX and ther work for keeping the Latin Mass, I attend a Encone mass in NYc but at least I get to recieve my Lord really present every time.

[MysticalCity]

52:30 i want to rage.

1 Corinthians 11:27

"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."

[HomeSkillet489]

@MysticalCity amen. They're treating our Lord like a snack. It's more like the Protestant service where the mass is not a sacrifice but just a meal. The Protestant "Lord's Supper." Where people eat a piece of bread and drink a cup of whatever while thinking about the Lord's death. Protestants would die to come to this mass and they'd scream at the Extraordinary form because it is an afront to their theology.

[TheCatholicFaithfu]

@MysticalCity OH MY GOODNESS! I just saw that. oh wow. He must have no idea.

[nmiller731]

This is one of the saddest things I've ever seen, we need to conquer this horrible heresy against our HOLY CHURCH!!!!

[MrLamontSanford]

This is great, it makes the point well.

[henrikhankhagnell]

Let me ask you. this Novus Ordo priest you took for this video. Does he know used him for this video?

[Oblationem]

I asked his permission to video his mass, (small m) very loudly. He gave his permission in the presence of many witnesses. I could care less if he approves of the way that I used the video. This is part of an old battle with this progressive parish that goes back many years. What goes around comes around. The next comparison will be between his Novus Ordo mass and the very similar Protestant worship service, for all to see what little difference there really is. Novus Ordos have been sold out…

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem I like the Ordinary Form of the Mass (ones that don't have abuses in them) but I still like to attend Tridentine Latin Masses when I can. Thank God for organizations like the FSSP and others for making it available to us. God bless.

[john6380]

@Oblationem What's the name of that progressive parish?

[ASignOfContradiction]

And to be fair, this novus ordo priest just might be the most smug, boring and self important wanker I have seen in a long time. So its not fair to judge all N.O priests by this clown. Btw, some humility and good old fashioned fasting looks like it wouldnt be a bad idea either. One wonders what the deacon might learn from a priest like this?? We need more John Marie Vianneys, not Las vegas wannabes.

[s2srea]

@ASignOfContradiction

This is true. I've known other Novus Ordo non-smug priests. But this isn't really about the priests, but the mass itself. Regardless of which NO mass you go to, it is NOT God centered. See the video again, see if u can focus on this fact . Go to a few Tridentine Latin Masses and you'll see a big difference.

Lastly, this isn't just about the Mass itself, but the entire spirit of the Catholic Church having been changed almost completely. In Christ and his blessed mother,

[ASignOfContradiction]

With out a question ONE of the issues I have with the Novus Ordo is the anthropocentric focus on the priest. The priest who 'performs' the mass at my workplace (a school) always starts with a joke. many NO priests think they need to be entertainers with a minor in pop-psychology. Y'know, Im Ok Your Ok kind of rubbish. My latin Mass Priest last week spoke about sin, penance and purgatory. Topics your would NEVER hear in a NO circus. Its like weight watchers biscuits compared to Latin banquet.

[sedesvacans]

Yes, the new "mass" of today is absolutely not a Catholic Mass. Invalidly ordained priest, no altar of sacrifice, no reverence, Christ's words changed, many prayers taken out, removal of all but three genuflections, "eucharistic ministers", Luther's communion in the hand, etc. It is at BEST protestant. Ecumenism is a heresy as was proven by Pope St. Pius X.

[416mcp]

i am not sure what this is. I me it looks like the 1st is the Catholic mass/church i have always known;after Vatican II, with the mass in english (or whatever language the people speak were the mass is done). The 2nd is in Latin. Are people suggesting the changes made after Vatican II isn't the Catholic Church. IMO that is ridiculous (spelling ?). I went to one high mass in my life. I much prefer the mass of today. I get much more out of it. I am confused on what this is about.

[Oblationem]

@416mcp

Many like yourself, and Protestants prefer the new mass. (However) Protestants are not joining the Catholic Church; the new mass just confirms them in their error. Padre Pio refused to say the new mass, it is not the Mass of All Time, the Mass that made so many Canonized Saints. Plus the new mass does not support Catholic Doctrine, whereas the Traditional Catholic Mass does. The new mass isn’t Catholic, as per Vatican II that says the Catholic Church it is not necessary for salvation.

[416mcp]

@Oblationem so if I prefer the Mass of today are you saying I am not Catholic? That I am not attending a Catholic Mass?

[Oblationem]

I can only say what I know, which is: although you’re probably a validly baptize Catholic (personal opinion), the mass (small m) that you assist at was changed to more suit the Protestants and Jews, not because it more supports Catholic doctrine, but in fact is ambiguous. Also ‘all’ seven sacraments were changed. The Novus Ordo is provable in apostasy; and you have been taken advantage of. A Catholic may not partake of any Sacrament that is doubtful. Even the Rosary was changed.

[HomeSkillet489]

@Oblationem You know that when the new mass was promugated in 1969, none of these liturgical abuses were never intended. they weren't sucked into the mass until later. I'm sure Pope Paul VI is shaking in his grave right now looking at what people have done to the mass.

[Oblationem]

@HomeSkillet489

Italian Freemasons blackmailed Montini as soon as he took the Papacy. When he was Archbishop of Milan local police picked him up in civilian clothes during a nocturnal visit to a male brothel. He also had an actor lover who was quite open about their relationship. Read “The Rite of Sodomy” by Randy Engel page 1156. This book will explain many things about why we have the new mass (small m) and so many homosexual priests in the Novus Ordo.

[ASignOfContradiction]

@416mcp While imho the new mass or Novus Ordo (N.O) is probably valid, it is an extremely impoverished form of the Latin rite. You may be more comfortable and familiar with the N.O, but I assure you that if you take time to understand and participate in the Latin rite, you will not regret it. How does one participate in the Latin mass? By reading and offering the prayers along with the priest TO GOD. Purchase a latin/english missal to assist. Its not necessary to avoid N.O, just choose Latin.

[s2srea]

@ASignOfContradiction

While it may be valid (though a future Council of the Church will determine this) and feel more 'comfortable', Catholic teaching has always taught that worship wasn't about being comfortable or not, but worshiping God. This is why Protestant services, and the NO, are simply dummied down forms of worship- they're all about, "feeling" good.

[s2srea]

@416mcp

I reccommend you read, Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Its very well done, and suited to us lay persons who are not as versed in Catholic Theology and Liturgy.

[AbidingDood]

The traditional Mass shown is from a SSPX chapel, correct? I want to say in Oregon?

[Oblationem]

@AbidingDood

Yes: St. Thomas Becket Catholic Church, SSPX in Veneta, Oregon.

[brndurham]

Okay, the NO isn't bad if done right.My own priest celebrates Mass reverently; there are no altar-girls or liturgical dancers, or gospel music... I would know, because I am the cantor. The exact words of the NO mass show us that a sacrifice is being offeered; albeit a watered down version, but there all the same. There really is no reason to spend so much prayers on the offertory, because Christ is not immolated upon the altar yet. That's what the canon is for.

[Oblationem]

@brndurham

Yes, the Novus Ordo mass (small m) is non-Catholic even if it’s done according to the rubrics. It was designed to diminish Catholic beliefs that offend Protestants and Jews. It was not designed to offer God more praise, sacrifice and worship. Watered-down, as you say is not good enough for God. From experience, I can say that being a cantor offers you little insight into the Mass, I would know…

[RichardIIfan]

The other question is then whether the NO is as good a Rite... The answer is obvious.

The NO priest looks bored out of his tiny...

[RichardIIfan]

The other question is then whether the NO is as good a Rite... The answer is obvious.

[RichardIIfan]

The first thought is how patronizing the NO is. This one is painfully bad though. AS Catholics we believe that the Mass was instituted by our Lord. don't we? The missal of 1570 was almost identical to the Roman Missal 1474. Organic developments are legitimate. The question is whether the 1969 missal is organic development? If it were promulgated by the Pope etc. it will be valid provided that right form. matter, and intent are present.

[Robotnik]

One word for this Novus Ordo mess ABERRATION.

[coldlittle]

What hymn is being sung at the beginning of the Tridentine low mass?

[ant240]

are you sure that was a novus ordo mass? the reason i ask is because he mentioned that terrible word sin in his homily. i thought that you have to be nice and likeable to your congregation. where does he come off calling them sinners. please forgive my sarcasm but i just cant believe what has become of the Catholic Mass. I pray that we see the Traditional Catholic Mass in every Catholic Church in the world someday.

[orthodox33]

I would have to give you a little history lesson the Early Church never had Novus ordo Liturgies or Latin Liturgies it was spontaneous and Charismatic each region had its own personal liturgy in Corith they had theirs Greece Rome and so forth in every other city region it wasn't till the 3 and 4th century that the liturgies became codified west and east there was about 30 different rights then in the dark ages it became so stagnate that it amounted to one codified liturgy

[Oblationem]

Yes, the Traditional Catholic Latin Mass codified by St. Pius V with the Bull Quo Primun July 14, 1570, which forbade ever changing the Mass. A committee of scholars taking the utmost care collated ancient original codices in the Vatican Library and having also consulted the writing of ancient and approved authors who have bequeathed to us records relating to the said sacred rites, thus restored the Missal itself to the pristine form and rite of the holy Fathers. – No permission needed, ever!

[orthodox33]

I prefer the first mass its more realistic the other mass is torture and are parrots with no soul

[CathApol777]

I thank His Holiness Pope Benedict for the Summorum Pontificum. I believe that both Masses are valid, but the problem with the Ordinary Form is that many priests seem to think that the "Novus Ordo" Mass gives them the chance to improvise whenin fact it is forbidden. I've never been to a Tridentine Mass because it's not that easy to find, unfortunately. But again, do not blame the Mass itself, but the idiotic priest-clowns who make the Holy Mass into a show/play.

[Oblationem]

@CathApol777

Yes, I’m blaming the Novus Ordo mass itself. (I personally) don’t believe the Novus Ordo mass to be valid for the same reasons that Pope Leo XIII said that the Anglican mass/orders is not valid. - In the so-called conservative N.O. masses during the consecration of the wine the words (for all) is still used. All seven Sacraments have been changed. I see no good fruits coming from the N.O. Not saying that there are not some good people in the N.O.

[CathApol777]

@Oblationem Wouldn't you be a schismatic then? You are going against the Church, and therefore excommunicated and not Catholic. Why is it so difficult for Traditionalists to accept the motu propio by Pope Benedict XVI. Look at FSSP. They're not schismatic. They work within the Church to help bring back Tradition, yet do not reject Vatican II. I will agree with you on some things, like the Mass being "protestantized" to a degree, but I will not break from the Mother Church because of this.

[whitesox2005ify]

@Oblationem

Amen, the Mass of alltime is the only true Mass, Novus Ordo is nothing more then Protestant Service.

[orthodox33]

@CathApol777 What about the mass St Paul Went to" Well, my brothers and sisters, let's summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you. the mass of the early church was spirit led and had a spontaneous element

[henrikhankhagnell]

pray that we will get to celebrate the Tridentine Mass everyday here in Sweden.

[Jitpring]

Has that nauseating Novus Ordo priest been disciplined in any way for such antics?

[Oblationem]

@Jitpring I wouldn’t know, probably not. In the Novus Ordo one can shop around to find the mass (small m) and truth that appeals to them.

[Oblationem]

The Gullible Novus Ordo Mind Disorder & Matt: 16-19. The enemies of the Catholic Church wanting to destroy everything that is Catholic have gone against Catholic teachings & Matt: 16-19 with:

1. Decree on Ecumenism.

2. Decree on Eastern Catholic Churches.

3. Dogmatic Constitution on the Church.

4. Declaration on Religious Liberty.

5. Decree on Missionary Activity.

6. Decree on Non-Christian Religions.

7. Constitution on the Church in the Modern World.

8. Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.

[bradleyjm44]

The wind of change, the gale of Satan, is once again tearing through Christ's only Church. It is the same wind that split through Europe during the "Great" Reformation. The legion of that heretical, possessed and bigoted pervert, Martin Luther is again infiltrating the Church. Pray that God strengthens those Catholics called to Tradition of the Latin Mass and to the Holy Priesthood in the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, etc. We need them

[Oblationem]

@bradleyjm44

I don’t think the Church needs any organization that says it’s okay to attend a Novus Ordo mass.

[bradleyjm44]

@Oblationem What organizations are you talking about?

[Oblationem]

@bradleyjm44

I'm speaking of any organization that says it's okay to say or assist at a Novus Ordo mass. The SSPX discourages attendance at a Novus Ordo mass, which is good. The other organizations that you mentioned can speak for themselves…

[denelson99]

@Oblationem Don't overlook that many Catholics (myself included) don't live within driving distance of an SSPX chapel. These organizations might not 100% ideal in their ecclesiastical outlook, but at least they offer Mass. I thank God for these organizations, otherwise I would only able to attend Mass a few times a year.

[Oblationem]

@denelson99

One should not attend a Novus Ordo mass at any time for any reason period. (Quit giving them money). The Church requires you to assist at Mass once per year around Easter time; certianly you can find a valid Mass once per year. Once per year however does not release you from your Sunday obligation. Pray the Mass at home, maybe with others, pray the Rosary, but not the new one. Novus Ordoism is simply Roman Protestantism.

[denelson99]

@Oblationem You did not read my post carefully enough, I do not attend novus ordo services, I attend Mass, and I wouldn't be able to attend Mass if it weren't for organizations like FSSP, and ICKSP, because there are no SSPX Chapels nearby.

[Oblationem]

@denelson99 Okay, but isn’t Institute of Christ the King and FSSP part of the Novus Ordo sect that accepts the Novus Ordo mass? I see little difference between them and the Roman Protestants. If you argue that their Holy Orders are valid, well… so was Bugnini’s. Bottom line is that they accept the N.O. mass, therefore I don't trust them.

[denelson99]

@Oblationem I have in my town a local perish (novus ordo) that just installed an altar rail, will only distribute Communion the Traditional way, and encourages women to veil themselves. While I refuse to attend novus ordo services, I can also see the benefit of not shutting ourselves in. Who else is going to show these people the right way? Consider the possibility that this is why these organizations don't discourage novus ordo attendance in the same way the SSPX does.

[Oblationem]

@denelson99 So we all just go along to get along? The Church of England already has communion rails and much more, no thank you. I’ll drop not one smidgen of incense to the Novus Ordo as the Ordinary Rite. Our Saints would not and did not go for any of this nonsense. Not comprising the truth is not shutting yourself in and will show more people the right way. Consider where the Church would be if those other organizations would not comprise.

[denelson99]

@Oblationem Judge a tree by it's fruit. How has the SSPX increased Tradition and interest in the Mass among novus ordites in your area? What was the point of the consecrations if they were only going to preserve Tradition for those not already lost? Do you think you can preserve Tradition by keeping it all for yourself?

The SSPX is great at protecting and defending Tradition, I think you could be better at spreading it though.

[Oblationem]

@denelson99 The fruit of the SSPX is that it is the light that keeps the true faith burning. Yes by their fruits you shall know them. The main point of the consecrations was to preserve the priesthood, which has happened and is happening. The Catholic faith that is preserved by the SSPX is open to all Novus Ordos, Protestants and anyone else that doesn’t want to compromise the truth. There is not a better vehicle in all the world than the SSPX for returning the Church to its proper course.

[denelson99]

@Oblationem Indeed you are the salt that hasn't lost it's savor, it seems though that these other institutions are merely trying to apply that salt to the greater novus ordo community. Just as Masonry has infiltrated the Church, us Christians should also infiltrate the wayward flock, and show them the correct method of adoration. It seems that the main disagreement between us is how it should be done.

[Oblationem]

@denelson99 Thanks for the complement, but this is not about me. This video: “New Religion New Mass – Traditional Catholic Latin Mass” shows them the correct method of adoration. The main disagreement between us is the word “comprise”. Consider picking a date, say May 13, 2012- and a public notice put out by the ICK & FSSP that says” “After this date we will not longer consider the Novus Ordo Rite the Ordinary Rite of the Church”. Now we’re talking.

[Jitpring]

@denelson99 We who attend FSSP parishes should be very grateful to the SSPX for keeping the pressure on. Without the SSPX, I doubt that Summorum Pontificum or Universae Ecclesie would have appeared. While these documents are surely deficient (e.g., the Orwellian "ordinary/extraordinary" distinction), they were inconceivable without the SSPX. The SSPX has indeed born fruit. I see the SSPX as explicitly restoring Tradition from the "outside" and the FSSP as implicitly doing it from the "inside."

[rpgabc123]

@Jitpring Whether we who support the FSSP know it or not, there would not be the FSSP without the Econe consecrations.

[BBlueu2]

@bradleyjm44 The only true Church is the Orthodox Church - Christ's own Church. Martin Luther and the rest of the "reformers" were merely heretics that were the rotten fruit that came from it's corrupt tree - the RCC. It's a terrible thing that the Roman Church split from the other four primary Churches. This Novus Ordo nonsense is only further proof of the LIE of infallibility of the Roman Popes.

[denelson99]

@BBlueu2 Since when has Erastianism been a mark of Holiness?

[StealthGoblin1]

What's with the shredded-wheat artwork above the altar? Is that supposed to be a crucifix?

[StealthGoblin1]

The New Mass is Protestantism with some Catholic icing.

[TRUTHSEEKERAKO]

my tears fell in the opening of the old latin mass. something is terribly wrong in this generation of fools, the proud satan has changed it to benefit himself.

[RzaExel]

Long live the Traditional Latin Mass. Let those with eyes see and ears hear. There is a major difference in the two rites. I suffered through the likes of this nonsense for many, many years. My Catholic sense told me there must be more. Obviously there was. Thank you Archbishop Lefebvre. Without you the true Mass would be but a memory in the hearts of the elderly. May he be declared a Saint in the true church, if and when Rome comes to her senses!

[hiroshi2020]

I realise that what happened at this particular OF form is truly sad, and full of liturgical abuse, but the OF is still a valid form of the Mass, though I still prefer the TLM. It isn't wise to pit one from of the Mass against another. The Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Church never changed, do you think they're invalid too? They are in communion with the Holy Father, and the Latin Churches!

[BobP863]

The New Mass is an insult against God and anyone with any intelligence.

[2958456739]

This is quite dreadful. How long, Lord?

[paraisoat]

WOW the NO priest doesn't seem to realize that Advent is a penitential season... and how Jesus came to be born and save us... he goes more into tree dimensions and decorations. SAD. Must pray.

[paraisoat]

Thanks for doing this, I'm still watching but what a great idea to juxtapose the two! Now to do that for all the sacraments... Holy Orders is VERY different especially!

[2groomers]

The new mass is Protestant! Attend the TRUE MASS! The traditional Latin Mass, which brought us so many of our saints!

[kubicam]

It's so pedestrian. I find it amazing that they sucked most of the life out of the Mass by trying to liven it up.

[Jitpring]

Nauseating.

[writereducator]

Just because the priest at the beginning of this video behaves like an idiot and the building should be torn because it is so ugly says nothing about the validity of the Novus Ordo.

[ixtoc999]

@writereducator A black mass is also valid. They have devastated the Vineyard. Shame on them, bad apostles, judases of the conciliar church.

[writereducator]

@ixtoc999

What in the world are you talking about? A black mass valid?

Who is this "they"?

[ixtoc999]

@writereducator A black mass is valid for Satan. "They" are the posconciliar motley crew.

[FolkMusicFanatic]

Love the Traditional Catholic Mass. I'm leaving the false protestant religion I was raised in and returning home to the One True Church. I was called by God to come home and will be re-baptized by a priest under a bishop who was consecrated by the bisho and exorcist extraordinaire Robert Mckenna.

[2958456739]

@FolkMusicFanatic Was your first baptism invalid? How so? If the used the Trinitarian formula, surely it is a valid baptism?

[LouisvilleTorn8o]

It's sad to see all the disunity in the Church. Our Lady of Ekita predicted this. There are both traditionalists and Modernists who continue in their schismatic actions. SSPX is not much different than Sedevacantism, because even though they admit that the sede is not vacant, they question many of the actions of our last 5 popes. I think that for the sake of bringing unity back to the Church, a third Vatican council probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

[garciadelacadena]

Excellent video, it becomes more evident how the Novus Ordo is not Catholic when it is compared against the Tridentine Mass.

Can somebody tell me from which Diocese is the Novus Ordo video? I live in San Antonio, TX and I have seen similar aberrations, the man centered mass is becoming more evident.

I also was raised in the Novus Ordo Church, but by the Grace of the Virgin Mary, found the true Catholic Church of our Divine Lord.

AMDG

[Oblationem]

@garciadelacadena

It doesn’t matter who this presbyter is or where he is located, they are legion and they are everywhere. Some are more liberal and some like those on EWTN are more conservative, but they are ‘all’ theologically un-Catholic and wrong.

[garciadelacadena]

@Oblationem I do agree, it really doesn't matter, sadly we see the same in most of the Dioceses.

I would like to ask a favor, Could you please upload just the portion about the Catholic Mass, one of my Kids is an acolyte and the other is learning and I found excellent the way Mass is explained in the video.

Would be great if you could make the letters more visible.

God Bless!!

[2958456739]

@Oblationem Is the Pope a Catholic?

[rockinbolotie56]

@Oblationem

You are so very right. So sad they get away with calling this "MESS", Catholic.

[rebelstar22]

@garciadelacadena

You live in San Antonio? I live in San Marcos. I was also born into the Novus Ordo Church, and by the grace of God became Catholic.

[garciadelacadena]

@rebelstar22 where do you go to Mass? I may already know you, I happen to go to Holy Mass to one of the chapels of the SSPX.

[orthodox33]

@garciadelacadena it is by the Grace of God only God can give Grace its His uncreated energy Mary Doesn't have divine Grace plus the mass is sweet

[garciadelacadena]

@orthodox33 Thanks for the correction, it was too late by the time I realized my error.

[garciadelacadena]

@garciadelacadena Correction:

Excellent video, it becomes more evident how the Novus Ordo is not Catholic when it is compared against the Tridentine Mass.

Can somebody tell me from which Diocese is the Novus Ordo video? I live in San Antonio, TX and I have seen similar aberrations, the man centered mass is becoming more evident.

I also was raised in the Novus Ordo Church, but by the Grace of God and the intercession of the Virgin Mary, found the true Catholic Church of our Divine Lord.

AMDG

[taxfree4]

Excellent video as it truly shows the majesty of the Traditional Mass as opposed to the emptiness of the Nervous Ordo Mass.In the True Mass you have a personal audience with Jesus Christ. Compare that with the Amway event disguised as a Nervous Ordo Mass. For clarification, it was Gommar DePauw who saved the Traditional Latin Mass as his Ave Maria Chapel was the only place in the world, at one time, one could go to participate.

[Embroids]

I was born in the Vatican II church, so I have lived my life believing that this empty mass was right. Thankfully, I was led to the true liturgy, and I placed myself rightfully in line with all my ancestors before me who prayed this way, and who were true Catholics, and with the saints of God who loved this mass and were martyred for it.

[Embroids]

What kind of priest is this? Where is his discipline and reverence for the body of Christ? Why is the Pater Noster (Our Father) not sung in loving memory of the Lamb of God? During the sign of peace, why does the priest and deacon speak of trivial things in the sanctuary? Why does the priest need and seek hand sanitizer before giving communion? Do not these older folks know better, since many of them had probably grown up in the traditional mass? I am truly appalled.

[Paxdominivobiscum]

Look at the new Mass: it is like a protestant service! Look at the Traditional Latin Mass: It is the most holy Sacrifice.

Thank you for preserving the Traditional Latin Mass, monseigneur Lefebvre.

[fatima01917]

The Novus Ordo is an abomination that was designed by Freemason Annibale Bugnini. The Latin Mass is holy and worships God in reverence. See Fr. Kramer's excellent book, "The Suicide of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy".

[kosak0]

show must go on,that's patetic and very sad,nwo in the church

[WeepingStellaMaris]

Last comment: very, very well done.

[WeepingStellaMaris]

I was going to make a video just like this...but you made it first! lol

[lionel3fernandez]

@WeepingStellaMaris

Please do make it,,,,,this is the way we educate our fellow catholics

[WeepingStellaMaris]

Novus Ordo...so disturbing. 

[MrMak2121]

Um.... What?...... This i as puzzle as I you could understand this coment. Why and For when what??