"Take a number..." You do realize that the number issuance is only used when their are far too many people in there right? And also if you have a serious injury or illness that you are ushered in right away.
"Your not gonna have the relationship with your doctor who knows you and understands your family life..." first of all that does not at all change how a doctor operates. A doctor does not need to "understand your family life" to diagnose you with terminal cancer and decide the course for a treatment that would best cure your cancer, it is fucking irrelevant. I'm sorry to state the obvious, but having a socialized healthcare system doesn't effect this in the least.
"Imagine if you had to go to the DMV to get your healthcare..." Has this guy seriously ever been in a waiting at a hospital for something like a sprained ankle or a broken leg? I have and the amount of waiting is insane whether your in a private hospital or not. The wait depends on many factors being population, health of the place you are in, the surrounding conditions, etc...
We allready have goverment. run .Health Care, i pay for my health care, and for the people i Elect...and there family,s health care, that thay set up for them self,s The People Need The Same, Health Care, As The People Thay Elect.......
This guy in this video states falsified facts, and has been debunked. Canadians come to the U.S not because the Healthcare is bad, but because we have certain treatments they don't have, and U.S citizens go to Canada for the same reasons. He has this false idea of how Universal healthcare works, fear tactics at it's best.
The solution to healthcare is to get rid of the AMA, opt out of Medicare and social security and replace this system with a 100% free market healthcare system. You witness progress in electronics and technology (quality is better, costs go down, because of market competition). Healthcare is no different than electronics, if we had free market healthcare, the costs would be commensurate with the poor's income, as our cellphones and tv's are!
@JamesBlakeWilliams Great point, I always find it funny when people blame "greed" for the high costs of things. Yet this occurs in the sectors with the greatest government involvement. Government pretty much stays out of technology and look what happens, prices fall and products improve. Yesterdays upper class luxury is todays lower class staple. I guess the tech industry is run by altruistic saints. Funny how the greedy capitalist pigs are so concentrated in specific industries. :P
I see many people blaming capitalism for healthcare, when America doesn't have capitalism at all, people tend to just a memory of a decade or two, when really those of you with doubts about capitalism need to go back much further, America has had socialized healthcare for decades, almost a century. Medicare and social security were governments AMA that destroyed our healthcare system, along with the century old AMA, this why Americas healthcare has been a problem for decades!
It pretty obvious to most poor Americans that Republicans are simply greedy self centered racist with no moral ethics. They somehow think they are superior to the poor and that all they have was earned and discount their own advantages they luckily were born with. They've never walked in a poor mans shoes and aren't concerned with empathy for their fellow man.
Universal Health Care: we run it, we pay for it out of our taxes. We have Socialized systems in our country right now, and they work great. Police, Libraries, U.S Post offices, etc. And guess what!!! they don't ruin our country. Think about it this way. You pay for Medicare/Medicaid, State healthcare for the poor, you pay for your own health care, and you pay out of pocket as well.You are getting shafted. Universal Health Care would be cheaper, and better.
Really? I hate to say it but statistics say other wise. The U.S spend MORE for health care than any other country, and we have a lower life expectancy than countries with universal health care. Incentive to create better medical treatments should not be based on profit. Edward Jenner,the creator of the small pox vaccine did not make any profit off of his medical breakthrough. He believed everyone had a right to it, and it was free. He eradicated smallpox.
This video is Asinine. In Universal health care WE THE PEOPLE pay for it out of our taxes. Just like the Police, Fire department, public schools, mail system, etc. The Government does not tell the fire department whos house they can put out do they? Universal Health Care you can see any doctor, anytime, anywhere, and not get denied coverage with no out of pocket expenses. BTW, Ronald Reagan was an idiot , anyone referring to Ronald Reagen as being wise to our Health care needs is an idiot.
@grendel1013 You are clueless on how things work. Actually learn a thing about capitalism, and why health care will be worse off under government control than it is under a free market. Since I'm sure you will not do this, I'll just tell you.
Without the incentive to create new medicine, you will see fewer breakthroughs. With the knowledge that they will get paid less, you'll see fewer doctors, and thus lesser quality. More people using health care, will mean longer lines.
@rrp1973 I hate to call you out but I will. I have family that lives in Canada, I have experienced Canadian Health Care first hand when I broke my leg while biking with my cousins in Canada and you are wrong. I doubt that you do live in Canada.
@grendel1013 I live in London, Ontario, Canada. I grew up in a smaller town 30 miles from here. The long wait times for specialists is undeniable. Health care was probably better when i was a growing up. But it has degrading over time as all socialist schemes do. Yes, everyone is covered, but the government dictates the level of care we receive and prevents citizens from seeking alternatives(private care arrangements).
@rrp1973 My Family from Canada LOVE the health care there, they call U.S Healthcare barbaric, and inhumane. They say that U.S Healthcare system is based on profits over people, I live in the U.S and they are right. Our system is fallible, and as long as Profits are more important than saving peoples lives, providing good healthcare along with preventive care we will always have issues. Btw, Police, Fire departments, public schools, public libraries, etc are Socialist and they work fine.
@TimeWarp66 They would work better if our government stopped giving the filthy rich more tax breaks and pissing our educational systems money away. Bottom line, we are getting raped on healthcare costs and the service is not any better than other countries with Universal Healthcare, in fact their Health Care is better for 2 simple facts, people over profit, and they believe in preventive care which the U.S Health care does not believe in. We rank number 38 in life expectancy in the world.
@TimeWarp66 By the way, Universal Healthcare is not Government care, it's care provided by the Taxpayer. Instead of paying out of your ass for your healthcare, then pay even more for the costs, ( If you insurance would cover the expenses.) then pay taxes for Medicare/Medicaid, and taxes for those on State healthcare. It would be cheaper, and more efficient, and better in the long run for everyone. Profit over people is destined for failure.
@TimeWarp66 You are comparing a former Communist country to Universal Healthcare, sorry man that question is fail. All because a country adopts Universal Healthcare does not automatically make that country Communist or Socialist, that is the fear that corporate fuckbags like this guy in the video wants you to have. " Zomg! If we have Universal healthcare we would be like Nazi Germany!" Sounds funny doesn't it. France has Universal Healthcare and they are not Communist or Socialist.
@TimeWarp66 There were many reasons why the former Soviet Union failed, Communism is just a small part of it. Ok, now I will ask you a question, why do you believe a system that would let you die than to spend a couple grand to save your life is better than a Healthcare system that everything is covered no matter what , believes in preventive care, and the people live longer and healthier lives?
@TimeWarp66 again why are you comparing a system of Government to a Healthcare system? Seriously I don't understand why you keep comparing apples to Oranges. I will repeat myself, Universal Healthcare does not make a country Communist or Socialist.
@TimeWarp66 First off are you unable to read? I never stated I was communist, I was talking about HEALTHCARE. Universal Healthcare does not equal Communism in any way, obviously you have serious issues or lack the education to understand the difference between a Health Care system and a form of Government. France has Universal Healthcare and they are a Democracy. Your question is asinine and fails on so many fronts.
@TimeWarp66 If you want my opinion as to why the former Soviet Union failed was because it was controlled by a dictator that abused his power for his own personal needs. Every form of government looks great on paper, throw in a greedy dictator or when Corporations take over the government it fails. Look at the U.S, Corporations control every aspect of this country and everyone except the top 1% get the shaft. Btw our country is not a true Democracy it's a Republic.
@rrp1973 Anyway, U.S citizens are getting screwed by our Health Care. We pay our health care providers, we pay deductibles, we pay for Medicare/Medicade, we pay for poor peoples state healthcare. It would be alot cheaper and better if we just paid a little more in taxes and everyone is covered. We pay the most out of any country, and we rank number 32 in life expectancy, etc. If our healthcare was better than all the other countries, we would rank number 1, but we don't.
@rrp1973 This guys rants are based on spreading fear that if we take the control over our health out of the Health Care Czars hands, we would be like a Nazi Germany. His rant has no baring on facts.
For profit and healing sick people are in direct conflict with each other. Collecting premiums and profits go hand in hand...what we now have...and then denying benefits....that's how for profit must work!
@cdavis580 That would be true if contracts were not enforced. No one is allowed to violate a contract. Not a consumer lying on their application form, and not an insurance company refusing to cover things they had previously agreed to cover. The only issue is both parties living up to the previously agreed terms. Taking premiums and not paying out benefits is theft/fraud, you are blaming profit incentives for criminal activity.
Yes I'm sure there are the top earning few who want private health care and come to the US for it, but not the majority, by far....so keep exagerating the numbers.....the number of people who die waiting for health care operations or services? We could bury Canada in bodies with the turn downs from the US death panels...IE- insurance companies
Where do you get your facts? SOME Canadians come here for SOME health treatments due to the fact that certain treatments are not available there, just like SOME Americans go to Canada for treatments that are not available here, such as stem cell treatment for MS.
Government health care does not work. We had it here in the Netherlands and we are actually trying to go the opposite route. It cost too much and there's simply no money. Taxes here are already extremely high, so it would be ridiculous to raise it even more and borrowing more money is not an option.
I am a canadian and our health care is not perfect, but I would never trade it with the American system. I have never heard of anyone dying because they could not get a operation. My father had kidney cancer he was diagnosed and had a operation within three weeks and he has been cancer free for three years. He gets a check up every 6 months to make sure it has not come back and all he had to pay for was for a private room at the hospital while he recovered from the operation.
The NHS in Britain is awful. It's everything that free healthcare is not. It's not only completely regulated to a ridiculous degree (largely to give it some efficiency that is lacking in its command economy bureaucratised structure whereby the patient is treated as one by the monolithic payment by general taxation rather than consumer need dictating income) but it has depleted the capital goods for healthcare so much by purchase irrespective of yield that quality of care is years behind the US.
@Nintendomanwill In the CND system the doctors are in private practice, and they do not answer to gov't on the care of their patients. We pay for our health care through our taxes, we are issued a health care card, and when we go to the doctor they bill the gov't instead of us. There are issues, but in the last ten years I have notice a great improvements. Watch this video it explain Our system "Universal Health Care Message to Americans From Canadian Doctors & Health Care Experts"
Franklindavid, we had to bail out the banks; because, the government started sticking their nose into how they operate "You will give out bad loans to everyone". Learn all the details if you are going to make an analogy, not just the parts you like.
i love how heath care debates turns it to my country is better than america gtfo this is an american debate unless you are saying it works or doest work, gtfo
Socialized government health care! Who speaks for the people that dont have health care, Who do you think runs Medicare arse hole! its the government.
If medicare was run by the private sector today, we would be bailing them out today, just like the Banks.
Without trying to overstate anything - the clear problem with government control is that it does not promote improvement or 'out of the box' creativity. The systems run by the government tend to 'apportion' or 'control' - not bad as long as everything stays the same . . . but the great thing about US Healthcare is that the free enterprise system DOES promote innovation and improvement.
And - couldn't we put the word "Greed" beside any entity and 'ruin' it? including greedy government?
This guy has no clue what he's talking about. This is typical American misinformation propaganda. most of what this guy says about Canadian health care is nothing more than folklore and wives tales. I certainly hope America will one day stop shooting themselves in the foot with their ever failing health care system.
I think every Canadian should be insulted by this video, because this guy just said Canada's health care sucks... which it absolutely does not. Do people have to come over to the US for the rare treatment of an unusual condition? Sure. But that's a far cry from saying their health care is bad.
As a US citizen, I'd far prefer a system of health care that borrows concepts from Canada's system.
And which has provided more human happiness? Am I better because we went to the moon? Have a few rocket trips led to significant scientific advances to better my life? I'll take the IPOD.
Nitwit? Truly, a sign of a master mind to begin with name calling.
I might not have a cell phone with internet without government research, but we cannot know what that funding would have produced if it had been left in the private sector.
Government will have to conduct R&D in areas like national defense, but there is little evidence that it is more efficient, overall, at tech. development than the private sector. In fact, the problem of knowledge in society suggests the reverse.
while the private sector is important in many areas, you must agree that certain areas, such as police force, libraries, fire departments, are better left with the federal government. our health shouldnt be in the hands of private companies whose sole concern is profit-making. the police force should not be in the private sector, so shouldnt the health of our citizens. citizens should have a choice of public healthcare from the , or private healthcare from "your friends, the corporation."
I don't think the government works unless it is of the people, for the people, by the people - and in many cases our people have 'checked out' on state and federal activity - but they often stay engaged with the services you mention . . . but when they don't, corruption creeps in and they are a mess! Including when 'greed' drives the cost way higher than the benefit provided in these services - do you agree?
1) Police/fire departments are fundamentally different problems than health care. Police and fire are examples of the free rider or "lighthouse problem. Every ship needs the lighthouse, but without a governing structure to force payment, none has enough of an incentive (or ability) to build each lighthouse that they need. It is more logical for each to be a free rider. Government mandate is the most common way to deal with the problem, though there are other solutions (i.e. Ronald Coase).
2) The problem of the free rider is that the benefit of the service (lighthouse, PD, FD) is spread over a large group with no incentive for anyone to pay. With health care, specific health services provide benefit one specific individual, so that person has incentive to pay. Centrally funding health care could actually create a free rider problem, in which people abused the system (superfluous medical exams, excessive medicine use, unneeded procedures, etc.) because they did not have to pay.
No incentive and that is why places like here Canada have had comparable rates of employment, a more active citizen base. In regards to superfluous exams, Americans with the most marketized health care system and yet some of the highes users of medical care. The largest population of pill poppers
3) Police and Fire examples do not support your position. The free rider problem undermines the case for universal medical coverage. Your argument has to be that: 1. Medical coverage is a universal right; 2. The most effective (or only) way to provide that right is through the public sector. 1 is a more complicated claim than I have room to address here. I would argue that 2 is generally not the case government would not be more effective, though I might accept a minimal safety net role.
lol "i might accept"? as if your oppinion really matters. no one gives a shit, all you have is a vote and thats not too significant.
i can name one thing that business has done that stifens societies progress. the production of nuclear power. while the US only uses 2% of its power as nuclear, while europe uses 70% the reason why were not using it, were being told that its dangerous. not true, look on you tube for the nuclear waste transportation crash testing videos.
the reason were being told that nuclear power is not safe is because the oil and gas companies pay considerable funds to network that idea out to americans. its in big business' best interest to fuck the american people over for profit.
I hate to make you examine your beliefs too deeply, but which party has been the biggest opponent of nuclear power for the last forty years? Here is a clue...it isn't the supposed "party of big business."
hahahaha lying scumbags! unbelievable. nobody has died "waiting" to be treated in the Canadian health care system. there was a famous case of a LYING woman that had a non-threatening condition making a big fuss. what a joke... you're disgusting
Government is force, brute force, and is not capable of running a free. Force is only good for keeping the peace as a measure against criminals. Real criminals, not people who wont let youo have your way.
You know, I can see why congress thinks nationalized healthcare is such a good thing. They probably are thinking "We just want to take care of everyone and make everyone healthy and I can't believe you are so narcissistic that you are more concerned about keeping your money."
Here's my reasoning, though. I believe charity is fundamentally important to the care of the less fortunate, but dont believe it is the governments responsibility to provide that charity....(see next)
As a 2nd year medical student, I look forward to the privilege of saying Dont worry about paying. Ill take care of it. This can strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and is the motivation for many to continue practicing. But when the government takes that quick, simple, efficient charity out of the doctors hands and makes it a BMV-style, tax-funded (thats YOU-funded, by the way), bureaucratic process, all we are going to get is slower care and impersonalized, disgruntled doctors.
Your charity has not stopped 45000 people dying each year (according Harvard University study) due to lack of health insurance.
Every industrialized nation in the world has universal health care though all dont have govt run health insurance program. Health insurance in Japan (2nd largest economy) and Germany (3rd largest economy) is NOT run by the govt .
I have been waiting for 3 weeks to see my doctor , and may just have to go to Canada to see one sooner. Our Health Care system is not efficient , the proposed health care plan has nothing to do with socialism . We have a mixed economy and not Capitalism , who picks up you garbage every week, School tax, Fire Dep. fees, etc ?? How many choices of water supply companies do you have to pipe water to your home ? Natural Gas and electricity ? Socialism , Think not . Mixed economy .....
Medicare works great, but it is the private insurance providers who figured how not to pay when we get sick! A private insurance provider's payment maze does not have an exit if they do not want to pay you.
The real reason why healthcare is more expensive in America is because of medical liability. Surely you've heard the medical malpractice attourneys encouraging people to sue their doctors.
The problem is that many of these lawsuits are frivolous, and all of the payouts are just obscene. Almost half of your medical bill goes to medical liability insurance. Shameless malpractice lawyers and their clients make more money than the doctors, while providing no service to the patients they extort.
So what is your solution? You do not offer anything constructive but to scare people that doing absolutely nothing is best. How about some contributions of the solution instead of trying to scare people about owning this problem we have with our health care system and taking up the responsibility to deal with our ever worsening situation.
LOL this is totally propaganda, the corporations see us like children and in a way we are, believing in shit like this, over 18,000 people die from having no health care.
I don't believe you ,we are paying for programs like Medicare and Medicaid, plus illegals have free medical care in the hospital, without external support we provide to other countries
any Resident with $ O income to report (but with income on the side) living in USA, with properties and money in the Country where they were born, lie to the USA government just to live free without housing costs, health or food.
we pay for medicare and medicaid and now Obama Reform Healthcare want to impose "new taxes" for the working class??? if you live in New York and you are illegal you can get free hospital care, your children can get the free program for healthcare
No, the bill says if you make more than 80,000 i think or more, Its not a universal health-care because it will just make you buy insurance cheaply and it will leave out 10 million people that includes illegals.
As a humanist i rather have illegals alive instead of dead. I don't know i just like people i guess.
first of all is a reform of healhcare ,Medicare and Medicaid benefits will be cut, the hospital emergency always receive a person illegally or without insurance(but Obama will impose them taxes ) , this is no the probem.
The problem is the elderly, and the middle working class paying medicare medicaid paying their taxes, their own insurance and the new Obama tax, but the problem does not stop here Nancy Pelosi want add Value Added Tax, including the poor and middle class.
Prices for ANYTHING can only be "jacked up" if some part of the economy is protected by government interference, which distorts the market. We don't have a true free market, so we don't see truly competitive prices. That's part of what the video is trying to explain.
da ya know higher taxes on companies could cost jobs.da ya know holding wages down for doctors and nurses could cause a shortage of those people.da ya know that other countries with this kinda health care are turning back to the private secror for change.ya know what i mean.did ya know that a $20 co pay ins is the most expesive but not the best.most 80/20 ins is as imexpensive as your part of a employer based ins plan.ya know what i mean
Thats why we need a system like the UK has which had to cancel 50k operations yearly because of cost, and 500 heart patients die yearly because they had to wait too long for surgery.
Or how about Canada that has a shortage of doctors because they are burning out early and moving to the better pay in the US.
We need reform, but a public option is just self-inflicted genocide.
isn't he talking about privatized healthcare? the beurocrats are the ones making these medical decisions and denying people needed health care and trying to get the money back that they provided.
"We get the government we deserve"... great line, but I don't think anyone could deserve the crap that american's have to go through.. the rest of the world looks on in wonder that you people still don't have decent public health care system
Good point. America not having a decent health care system is probably why people from all over the world go there for treatment. I agree that that's not decent, that's remarkable.
That's odd, considering all the millions of people who live in the USA who can't get adequate health care... but hey, if you're in the top 99.9 percentile of income earners, I guess you might be able to afford to go the USA to see a doctor, although I've never known anyone that felt the desire to myself.
Exactly. Rich people come here to get treatment. Do you honestly think that that proves that it is inadequate? Do "the top 99.9 percentile of income earners" drive Ford Pinto's? That is a stupid argument. Also a stupid argument, that the fact that people can't afford health care proves that the country doesn't have good health care. We have Ferrari's here too, but not everyone can afford them.
morons talking about #1 reason for foreclosure is health care? baloney. you can go bankrupt and keep your house in 99% of the time. buy your own insurance, or do what i do and save up money for emergencies, and have a catastrophic plan.
LOL! You libertarian clowns don't bother to mention that people are LEAVING THE USA to get healthcare.
Hell, why don't you tell people you're funded by Amway, Philip Morris and Exxon? Or by charter school billionaire raping Michigan getting oversubsidized for inferior charter schools?
Problem with you libertarians is you're corrupt liars and greedy as hell.
#1 reason for home foreclosure in the US: Insanely expensive healthcare bills. So, basically, you have the option of apparently shitty service in Canada, or good but insanely expensive service in the USA. So it all comes down to if you can afford it or not.
It is expensive, but the majority of the cost problem is government regulation.
The AMA is closing hospitals while we have a doctor shortage. Most doctors have to re-learn what they studied in Med School. They also have huge fees in form of student debt and malpractice insurance. Give the doctors some relief and prices will drop again.
Then get the government's hand out of insurance and open up state lines, forcing companies to compete for a 300 million customer market.
...my Canadian aunties life is ruined from Canadian Crap Care. She went into ER in Canada with DEATH/migraine. Given only a bed. Found in a COMA. Too late. No MRI's No Brain specialists. She drags her leg and arm around. Her vibrant working traveling life = over. Thats our future. Obama care will eventualy kill you or disable you if you need Trauma Care or Heart surgery or Brain Bleed. You will be WAITING for help that never comes. WHY? Government workers saying = DENIED! = no life 4 you ~
People should have the FREEDOM to CHOOSE to pool their resources together cooperatively, without having to rely on FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANIES who are less concerned with delivering health care and more concerned with making a buck.
Back, not so long ago, people carried inexpensive medical insurance for serious conditions. Routine doctor visits were paid out of pocket and were affordable because the market (you and I) demanded it. What changed? Government got involved and tried to fix something that wasn't broken and made it much worse. So why would we trust government to fix the problem they created? Government is NOT the answer, it is the problem.
Once the government owns your healthcare they own you. The same goes for corporations. What we need is a return to freedom. What we need is a true free market approach to helathcare. What we need is choice. What we need is to get rid of associations such as the AMA which have almost a complete monopoly over the medical system. What we need is to abolish agencies such as the FDA which have done far more harm than good. Elliminate the third party involvment. That would bring true reform.
Because Hong Kong doesn't have over 300 million people with a high percentage of those riding financially on the backs of others...and how a "christian" could be against it is because we won't get health care, we'll get ignored. It will be like an HMO insurance plan (which you hardly see any more; it's great until you actually get sick. Our government does NOTHING well or cost efficiently. The current system needs a fix, but this is NOT it.
What's wrong with NHC? Hong Kong has it and they're one the healthiest places in the world. Why doesn't this guy use that as an example?? That's right because this guy wants to instill fear. This guy is scared of NHC because he'll be losing millions in bonuses that should have been put into health care. Private Health care is for the RICH, not middle class, not the poor....the Rich. Look at how many middle Americas put up second/third mortgages or lose their homes because they fell ill.
Americans don't need public healthcare. In fact, we don't need public schools, public roads, state hospitals, or the post office. We've even already privatized much of the military.. for war.
@bboingg777 , yes, Americans NEED to pay $10,000 for emergency visits. It's absolutely necessary that they all go bankrupt after taking care of their(in normal countries) BASIC human right: health care.
After personally having the VA experience, which is government ran healthcare, you don't want. What he says will come to pass. I lived for many years without insurance and now I haved it though my employer. I would rather have a bill with the hospital than to use the "free" VA benefits I got from my time in the Army.
A. An "Insurance Exchange": companies compete on benefits & price for your business.
B. A Public Option: If you want it..pay premiums just like to regular insurance. Yes it competes with for-profits..thats the idea.They have a 35% overhead/profit cushion to get competitive with.
C. Keep your current policy if you want..but in the future, insurance co.'s have to offer polices that are non exclusionary. Then they get in the "Exchange" and compete.
Actually you're entrusting your healthcare, not to a doctor you know, but an insurance adjuster working for a multinational conglomerate who's owners are not accountable to a voter.
By the way ... how long is the wait when you don't have coverage? Infinitely long! wow ... that's a long fucking time.
Wow. Properganda of the highest order. Im sure this guy has fantastic health insurance, unlike millions of other Americans who cant afford healthcare. Nationalised healthcare doesnt mean the opportunity to pay for private healthcare isnt there, but if you cant afford it, you can get it free from the government.
Id rather have a healthcare system managed by bureaucrats TRYING to help people who cant afford it, than have a system run by board members who only care about profit. Wake up America
You have the opportunity to make a choice. The burocracy will not be a problem if you think and create a good system. And everyone of you, I mean really everyone, will have the possibility to get a cure for any illness he will have without dealing with insurances and thinking about how much money he will have to pay to be cured.
Hi all. I only want to give you a little advice. Here in Italy we have national healthcare and I'm really happy to have it like that. Obviously such a system have its pros and cons but even your actual has. It's true that sometimes you have to wait a few weeks to get an analisys, but this is because we don't have enough sanitary equipments for all the people who needs them. Anyway if a get sick or I hurt myself an ambulance come to take me to the hospital and medics take care of me for free.
ok look..............can someone please tell me the real truth about national healthcare? for some reason, i dont mind paying out the pocket for the less fortunate, i sincerely feel everyone should get helped when they need to...what is so wrong about this? what are the real problems of NHC? or is there none?
Why don't you try watching the video and listening to the arguments, or perhaps do a little reading? Your bleeding heart about the 'unfortunates' does not distinguish you.
Like many others here, I have no problem with people making a fair profit -- but I do have a problem with EXORBITANT PROFITS being made on the backs of the most vulnerable population imaginable: the sick and the dying.
Many of the people who cry "Socialism!" about the current healthcare debate would have more credibility if they had been criticizing THE MASSIVE redistribution of wealth over the past 30+ years towards corporate welfare, which benefits the very few at great cost to the many.
Unfortunately, the American people -- like Pavlov's dog -- have been programmed to respond to certain stimuli, in this case the emotionally-laden charge, "Socialism!"
Perahps because Socialism is evil. If you think it's so great, live somewhere else. The whole reason health care is currently unaffordable is because people like you keep begging the government to regulate it more and more, driving costs up. Try reading.
And no, the reason health care is unaffordable is because too many people (like the greedy insurance company CEOs) are making too damned much MONEY off of it.
Sometimes for-profit businesses are a solution -- and sometimes they are the problem.
Yes, I can consult a dictionary - it has to do with 'collectivist principles', which are at the heart of SOCIALIZED medicine. And no, it's not about CEO's making money. It's about CEO's running government-created monopolies making money. If you remove the monopoly and create competition, this wouldn't be a problem. But go back to sleep and trust the government who got us into this mess.
I'd really hate to take away profits from you, assbag! HAHAHAHA
Look at this guy sitting on his leather couch and nice view.... keep in mind, he's protecting the profits of the extremely wealth... the ones that deny you that liver, even thought you've been working hard to pay them your entire life. DISGUSTING!!
I guess the 60 minutes show interviewing Canadian's crossing into the US for operations and such is not factual. I have heard and read about this before Obama was even a senator. People in Europe are also dieng from govenment run healtcare. Some of you people are uniformed and blind to the truth. The rest of you are servants of Satan and the Lake of Fire awaits you.
Hey guys, if the government ran a healthcare system, there'd be so much bureaucracy!
Let's stick with what we've got, letting professional insurance companies decide if we should get any treatment and paying higher administration costs than any other country. Because we don't want the government involved with providing comprehensive healthcare, we want a profit-driven financial institution between us and our doctors!
The DMV runs on cost/benefit analyses? Is this clown implying that insurance companies are any different?
Medicaid, medicare and the VA are all government run, and they are far more efficient than the private sector. Surveys consistently show very high satisfaction with these programs, and Canadians are actually very happy with their care.
The most important issue here is that private-sector healthcare leaves out the poor. What is your solution for that Mr. Entrepreneur? Get a better job?
Hate socialist gov run health Prove it everyone who hates it doesn't think it works right now go to parents grandparents & disabled you know & take there socialist gov run medicare & social security & tell them from now on if they need medical care ask you & you will write them a check or if they need rent let you know &you will write them a check also if you know a soldier or a vet take there socialist gov run health card as well & do the same pay there bills i wonder how many will prove it
My cousin in Cuba asks for aspirin and vitamins for his kids. The propaganda for socialize Medicine is so high that it blinds those that want reforms. We have good thing in the US it needsv to get better not go back to a free nothing system.
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Right wing nutjobs like this guy are the exact reason that it's highly unlikely the US healthcare system will ever be fixed and why the tiny island of Cuba will always have a better healthcare system than the US.
Way to dwell on the drawbacks while completely ignoring the positives.
Have fun getting gouged on your insurance premiums, then.
And if it's not you it's your employer....who will stop offering it as a benefit once the cost becomes unsustainable.
There's a reason the US is the only reason with a purely private healthcare system: it's more expensive, reduces access and unless you can afford to pay case for quality care, the care will be inferior.
Moreover, I've grown up behind the (former) Iron Curtain, so I've had my share of exposure to a government-run health care system (same as Cuba's). Try again...
They have little faith in their own country.... we have a few in our family that have been denied operations and such, yet they're still going against their own interest and buying into the propaganda put out by the insurance industry to maintain their huge profits.... very sad!
Yeah, it's 'propaganda' to look at the donation levels of insurance companies to Democrats. Why do you think they want this bill to pass? Because with 'socialized' medicine the insurance companies become permanent monopolies. Free market reform is what terrifies them.
I've read countless anecdotes which discredit either side of the issue, but above all else, insurance companies' practice of rescission disgusts me enough to never advocate a wholly private run healthcare system.
I see countless strawmen arguments about 'bureaucracies' and 'intervention' which claim to discredit government efficacy and champion the free market but really - would that be any different than what goes on now? Does the US honestly feel 'free' dealing with healthcare controlled...
"Take a number..." You do realize that the number issuance is only used when their are far too many people in there right? And also if you have a serious injury or illness that you are ushered in right away.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
"Your not gonna have the relationship with your doctor who knows you and understands your family life..." first of all that does not at all change how a doctor operates. A doctor does not need to "understand your family life" to diagnose you with terminal cancer and decide the course for a treatment that would best cure your cancer, it is fucking irrelevant. I'm sorry to state the obvious, but having a socialized healthcare system doesn't effect this in the least.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
"Imagine if you had to go to the DMV to get your healthcare..." Has this guy seriously ever been in a waiting at a hospital for something like a sprained ankle or a broken leg? I have and the amount of waiting is insane whether your in a private hospital or not. The wait depends on many factors being population, health of the place you are in, the surrounding conditions, etc...
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
"The Bureaucracies haven't invented..." Um, isn't this about Socialized Healthcare and not innovation?
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
Interesting diagram @0:49, too bad they pulled it out of their ass.
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
"That's not made up, look at the studies." Then why don't you cite them?
NewSocietyRBE 1 month ago
These two go hand in hand.
felpaluche 1 month ago
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tnguyen318 7 months ago
Quoting Ronald Reagan? hahahaha
Yourleftismyright88 7 months ago
We allready have goverment. run .Health Care, i pay for my health care, and for the people i Elect...and there family,s health care, that thay set up for them self,s The People Need The Same, Health Care, As The People Thay Elect.......
stringlov 8 months ago
This guy in this video states falsified facts, and has been debunked. Canadians come to the U.S not because the Healthcare is bad, but because we have certain treatments they don't have, and U.S citizens go to Canada for the same reasons. He has this false idea of how Universal healthcare works, fear tactics at it's best.
grendel1013 9 months ago
The solution to healthcare is to get rid of the AMA, opt out of Medicare and social security and replace this system with a 100% free market healthcare system. You witness progress in electronics and technology (quality is better, costs go down, because of market competition). Healthcare is no different than electronics, if we had free market healthcare, the costs would be commensurate with the poor's income, as our cellphones and tv's are!
JamesBlakeWilliams 9 months ago
@JamesBlakeWilliams Great point, I always find it funny when people blame "greed" for the high costs of things. Yet this occurs in the sectors with the greatest government involvement. Government pretty much stays out of technology and look what happens, prices fall and products improve. Yesterdays upper class luxury is todays lower class staple. I guess the tech industry is run by altruistic saints. Funny how the greedy capitalist pigs are so concentrated in specific industries. :P
rrp1973 9 months ago
I see many people blaming capitalism for healthcare, when America doesn't have capitalism at all, people tend to just a memory of a decade or two, when really those of you with doubts about capitalism need to go back much further, America has had socialized healthcare for decades, almost a century. Medicare and social security were governments AMA that destroyed our healthcare system, along with the century old AMA, this why Americas healthcare has been a problem for decades!
JamesBlakeWilliams 9 months ago
Great video!
JamesBlakeWilliams 9 months ago
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It pretty obvious to most poor Americans that Republicans are simply greedy self centered racist with no moral ethics. They somehow think they are superior to the poor and that all they have was earned and discount their own advantages they luckily were born with. They've never walked in a poor mans shoes and aren't concerned with empathy for their fellow man.
TheOracleGreen 10 months ago
Universal Health Care: we run it, we pay for it out of our taxes. We have Socialized systems in our country right now, and they work great. Police, Libraries, U.S Post offices, etc. And guess what!!! they don't ruin our country. Think about it this way. You pay for Medicare/Medicaid, State healthcare for the poor, you pay for your own health care, and you pay out of pocket as well.You are getting shafted. Universal Health Care would be cheaper, and better.
grendel1013 1 year ago
Really? I hate to say it but statistics say other wise. The U.S spend MORE for health care than any other country, and we have a lower life expectancy than countries with universal health care. Incentive to create better medical treatments should not be based on profit. Edward Jenner,the creator of the small pox vaccine did not make any profit off of his medical breakthrough. He believed everyone had a right to it, and it was free. He eradicated smallpox.
grendel1013 1 year ago
This video is Asinine. In Universal health care WE THE PEOPLE pay for it out of our taxes. Just like the Police, Fire department, public schools, mail system, etc. The Government does not tell the fire department whos house they can put out do they? Universal Health Care you can see any doctor, anytime, anywhere, and not get denied coverage with no out of pocket expenses. BTW, Ronald Reagan was an idiot , anyone referring to Ronald Reagen as being wise to our Health care needs is an idiot.
grendel1013 1 year ago
@grendel1013 You are clueless on how things work. Actually learn a thing about capitalism, and why health care will be worse off under government control than it is under a free market. Since I'm sure you will not do this, I'll just tell you.
Without the incentive to create new medicine, you will see fewer breakthroughs. With the knowledge that they will get paid less, you'll see fewer doctors, and thus lesser quality. More people using health care, will mean longer lines.
Educate yourself.
NerfDeathcoil 1 year ago
@grendel1013 "Universal Health Care you can see any doctor, anytime, anywhere" I live in canada. That is not true.
rrp1973 9 months ago
@rrp1973 I hate to call you out but I will. I have family that lives in Canada, I have experienced Canadian Health Care first hand when I broke my leg while biking with my cousins in Canada and you are wrong. I doubt that you do live in Canada.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@grendel1013 I live in London, Ontario, Canada. I grew up in a smaller town 30 miles from here. The long wait times for specialists is undeniable. Health care was probably better when i was a growing up. But it has degrading over time as all socialist schemes do. Yes, everyone is covered, but the government dictates the level of care we receive and prevents citizens from seeking alternatives(private care arrangements).
rrp1973 9 months ago
@rrp1973 My Family from Canada LOVE the health care there, they call U.S Healthcare barbaric, and inhumane. They say that U.S Healthcare system is based on profits over people, I live in the U.S and they are right. Our system is fallible, and as long as Profits are more important than saving peoples lives, providing good healthcare along with preventive care we will always have issues. Btw, Police, Fire departments, public schools, public libraries, etc are Socialist and they work fine.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@grendel1013 So our public schools work fine huh?
Give me a break. Government just simply does not work. It should never be the solution to anything.
TimeWarp66 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 They would work better if our government stopped giving the filthy rich more tax breaks and pissing our educational systems money away. Bottom line, we are getting raped on healthcare costs and the service is not any better than other countries with Universal Healthcare, in fact their Health Care is better for 2 simple facts, people over profit, and they believe in preventive care which the U.S Health care does not believe in. We rank number 38 in life expectancy in the world.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 By the way, Universal Healthcare is not Government care, it's care provided by the Taxpayer. Instead of paying out of your ass for your healthcare, then pay even more for the costs, ( If you insurance would cover the expenses.) then pay taxes for Medicare/Medicaid, and taxes for those on State healthcare. It would be cheaper, and more efficient, and better in the long run for everyone. Profit over people is destined for failure.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@grendel1013
So why did the SOviet Union fail?
They put "people before profits", right?
TimeWarp66 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 You are comparing a former Communist country to Universal Healthcare, sorry man that question is fail. All because a country adopts Universal Healthcare does not automatically make that country Communist or Socialist, that is the fear that corporate fuckbags like this guy in the video wants you to have. " Zomg! If we have Universal healthcare we would be like Nazi Germany!" Sounds funny doesn't it. France has Universal Healthcare and they are not Communist or Socialist.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@grendel1013
But the idea of communism is to put people before profits. So why did it fail in your opinion?
TimeWarp66 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 There were many reasons why the former Soviet Union failed, Communism is just a small part of it. Ok, now I will ask you a question, why do you believe a system that would let you die than to spend a couple grand to save your life is better than a Healthcare system that everything is covered no matter what , believes in preventive care, and the people live longer and healthier lives?
grendel1013 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 again why are you comparing a system of Government to a Healthcare system? Seriously I don't understand why you keep comparing apples to Oranges. I will repeat myself, Universal Healthcare does not make a country Communist or Socialist.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@grendel1013
I'm not asking you about healthcare, I'm asking you about Communism.
Why, in your opinion, did it fail?
TimeWarp66 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 First off are you unable to read? I never stated I was communist, I was talking about HEALTHCARE. Universal Healthcare does not equal Communism in any way, obviously you have serious issues or lack the education to understand the difference between a Health Care system and a form of Government. France has Universal Healthcare and they are a Democracy. Your question is asinine and fails on so many fronts.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@TimeWarp66 If you want my opinion as to why the former Soviet Union failed was because it was controlled by a dictator that abused his power for his own personal needs. Every form of government looks great on paper, throw in a greedy dictator or when Corporations take over the government it fails. Look at the U.S, Corporations control every aspect of this country and everyone except the top 1% get the shaft. Btw our country is not a true Democracy it's a Republic.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@rrp1973 Anyway, U.S citizens are getting screwed by our Health Care. We pay our health care providers, we pay deductibles, we pay for Medicare/Medicade, we pay for poor peoples state healthcare. It would be alot cheaper and better if we just paid a little more in taxes and everyone is covered. We pay the most out of any country, and we rank number 32 in life expectancy, etc. If our healthcare was better than all the other countries, we would rank number 1, but we don't.
grendel1013 9 months ago
@rrp1973 This guys rants are based on spreading fear that if we take the control over our health out of the Health Care Czars hands, we would be like a Nazi Germany. His rant has no baring on facts.
grendel1013 9 months ago
People dont give a fuck about other people they care about money deal with it this healthcare is FUCKING STUPID and makkes no sense.
Notagayusername10 1 year ago
For profit and healing sick people are in direct conflict with each other. Collecting premiums and profits go hand in hand...what we now have...and then denying benefits....that's how for profit must work!
cdavis580 1 year ago
@cdavis580 That would be true if contracts were not enforced. No one is allowed to violate a contract. Not a consumer lying on their application form, and not an insurance company refusing to cover things they had previously agreed to cover. The only issue is both parties living up to the previously agreed terms. Taking premiums and not paying out benefits is theft/fraud, you are blaming profit incentives for criminal activity.
rrp1973 9 months ago
Yes I'm sure there are the top earning few who want private health care and come to the US for it, but not the majority, by far....so keep exagerating the numbers.....the number of people who die waiting for health care operations or services? We could bury Canada in bodies with the turn downs from the US death panels...IE- insurance companies
cdavis580 1 year ago
@cdavis580
Where do you get your facts? SOME Canadians come here for SOME health treatments due to the fact that certain treatments are not available there, just like SOME Americans go to Canada for treatments that are not available here, such as stem cell treatment for MS.
grendel1013 1 year ago
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grendel1013 1 year ago
Government health care does not work. We had it here in the Netherlands and we are actually trying to go the opposite route. It cost too much and there's simply no money. Taxes here are already extremely high, so it would be ridiculous to raise it even more and borrowing more money is not an option.
madass888 1 year ago
I am a canadian and our health care is not perfect, but I would never trade it with the American system. I have never heard of anyone dying because they could not get a operation. My father had kidney cancer he was diagnosed and had a operation within three weeks and he has been cancer free for three years. He gets a check up every 6 months to make sure it has not come back and all he had to pay for was for a private room at the hospital while he recovered from the operation.
mahalcat 1 year ago
The NHS in Britain is awful. It's everything that free healthcare is not. It's not only completely regulated to a ridiculous degree (largely to give it some efficiency that is lacking in its command economy bureaucratised structure whereby the patient is treated as one by the monolithic payment by general taxation rather than consumer need dictating income) but it has depleted the capital goods for healthcare so much by purchase irrespective of yield that quality of care is years behind the US.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill In the CND system the doctors are in private practice, and they do not answer to gov't on the care of their patients. We pay for our health care through our taxes, we are issued a health care card, and when we go to the doctor they bill the gov't instead of us. There are issues, but in the last ten years I have notice a great improvements. Watch this video it explain Our system "Universal Health Care Message to Americans From Canadian Doctors & Health Care Experts"
mahalcat 1 year ago
Franklindavid, we had to bail out the banks; because, the government started sticking their nose into how they operate "You will give out bad loans to everyone". Learn all the details if you are going to make an analogy, not just the parts you like.
lonewarrior250 1 year ago
i love how heath care debates turns it to my country is better than america gtfo this is an american debate unless you are saying it works or doest work, gtfo
sociallyawkwardful 1 year ago
Socialized government health care! Who speaks for the people that dont have health care, Who do you think runs Medicare arse hole! its the government.
If medicare was run by the private sector today, we would be bailing them out today, just like the Banks.
franklindavid 1 year ago
Without trying to overstate anything - the clear problem with government control is that it does not promote improvement or 'out of the box' creativity. The systems run by the government tend to 'apportion' or 'control' - not bad as long as everything stays the same . . . but the great thing about US Healthcare is that the free enterprise system DOES promote innovation and improvement.
And - couldn't we put the word "Greed" beside any entity and 'ruin' it? including greedy government?
johnsap46 1 year ago
This guy has no clue what he's talking about. This is typical American misinformation propaganda. most of what this guy says about Canadian health care is nothing more than folklore and wives tales. I certainly hope America will one day stop shooting themselves in the foot with their ever failing health care system.
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BloodStainedLamb 1 year ago
I think every Canadian should be insulted by this video, because this guy just said Canada's health care sucks... which it absolutely does not. Do people have to come over to the US for the rare treatment of an unusual condition? Sure. But that's a far cry from saying their health care is bad.
As a US citizen, I'd far prefer a system of health care that borrows concepts from Canada's system.
Lobotaru 1 year ago
no ipod no. just going to the moon, you know, that sort of stuff.
junkyassmonkey 2 years ago
And which has provided more human happiness? Am I better because we went to the moon? Have a few rocket trips led to significant scientific advances to better my life? I'll take the IPOD.
FAHayek89 2 years ago
actually, nitwit, you wouldnt have a cell phone w/ internet w/o innovations from nasa and goverment funding to build its sattalites
rapsta86 1 year ago
Nitwit? Truly, a sign of a master mind to begin with name calling.
I might not have a cell phone with internet without government research, but we cannot know what that funding would have produced if it had been left in the private sector.
Government will have to conduct R&D in areas like national defense, but there is little evidence that it is more efficient, overall, at tech. development than the private sector. In fact, the problem of knowledge in society suggests the reverse.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
while the private sector is important in many areas, you must agree that certain areas, such as police force, libraries, fire departments, are better left with the federal government. our health shouldnt be in the hands of private companies whose sole concern is profit-making. the police force should not be in the private sector, so shouldnt the health of our citizens. citizens should have a choice of public healthcare from the , or private healthcare from "your friends, the corporation."
rapsta86 1 year ago
@rapsta86
I don't think the government works unless it is of the people, for the people, by the people - and in many cases our people have 'checked out' on state and federal activity - but they often stay engaged with the services you mention . . . but when they don't, corruption creeps in and they are a mess! Including when 'greed' drives the cost way higher than the benefit provided in these services - do you agree?
johnsap46 1 year ago
1) Police/fire departments are fundamentally different problems than health care. Police and fire are examples of the free rider or "lighthouse problem. Every ship needs the lighthouse, but without a governing structure to force payment, none has enough of an incentive (or ability) to build each lighthouse that they need. It is more logical for each to be a free rider. Government mandate is the most common way to deal with the problem, though there are other solutions (i.e. Ronald Coase).
FAHayek89 1 year ago
2) The problem of the free rider is that the benefit of the service (lighthouse, PD, FD) is spread over a large group with no incentive for anyone to pay. With health care, specific health services provide benefit one specific individual, so that person has incentive to pay. Centrally funding health care could actually create a free rider problem, in which people abused the system (superfluous medical exams, excessive medicine use, unneeded procedures, etc.) because they did not have to pay.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
No incentive and that is why places like here Canada have had comparable rates of employment, a more active citizen base. In regards to superfluous exams, Americans with the most marketized health care system and yet some of the highes users of medical care. The largest population of pill poppers
SparwoodApple 1 year ago
3) Police and Fire examples do not support your position. The free rider problem undermines the case for universal medical coverage. Your argument has to be that: 1. Medical coverage is a universal right; 2. The most effective (or only) way to provide that right is through the public sector. 1 is a more complicated claim than I have room to address here. I would argue that 2 is generally not the case government would not be more effective, though I might accept a minimal safety net role.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
lol "i might accept"? as if your oppinion really matters. no one gives a shit, all you have is a vote and thats not too significant.
i can name one thing that business has done that stifens societies progress. the production of nuclear power. while the US only uses 2% of its power as nuclear, while europe uses 70% the reason why were not using it, were being told that its dangerous. not true, look on you tube for the nuclear waste transportation crash testing videos.
rapsta86 1 year ago
the reason were being told that nuclear power is not safe is because the oil and gas companies pay considerable funds to network that idea out to americans. its in big business' best interest to fuck the american people over for profit.
rapsta86 1 year ago
I hate to make you examine your beliefs too deeply, but which party has been the biggest opponent of nuclear power for the last forty years? Here is a clue...it isn't the supposed "party of big business."
FAHayek89 1 year ago
lol don't forget big solar panel
dopefish250 1 year ago
"bureaucracies didnt invent facebook"
Oh, well of course. Now I'll entrust my healthcare to greedy corporations instead of a non profit govt run system.
Do these people TRY to be this stupid, or does it come naturally?
BunsterByne 2 years ago
hahahaha lying scumbags! unbelievable. nobody has died "waiting" to be treated in the Canadian health care system. there was a famous case of a LYING woman that had a non-threatening condition making a big fuss. what a joke... you're disgusting
junkyassmonkey 2 years ago
Government is force, brute force, and is not capable of running a free. Force is only good for keeping the peace as a measure against criminals. Real criminals, not people who wont let youo have your way.
carcabe 2 years ago
You know, I can see why congress thinks nationalized healthcare is such a good thing. They probably are thinking "We just want to take care of everyone and make everyone healthy and I can't believe you are so narcissistic that you are more concerned about keeping your money."
Here's my reasoning, though. I believe charity is fundamentally important to the care of the less fortunate, but dont believe it is the governments responsibility to provide that charity....(see next)
madadivad1986 2 years ago
As a 2nd year medical student, I look forward to the privilege of saying Dont worry about paying. Ill take care of it. This can strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and is the motivation for many to continue practicing. But when the government takes that quick, simple, efficient charity out of the doctors hands and makes it a BMV-style, tax-funded (thats YOU-funded, by the way), bureaucratic process, all we are going to get is slower care and impersonalized, disgruntled doctors.
madadivad1986 2 years ago
Your charity has not stopped 45000 people dying each year (according Harvard University study) due to lack of health insurance.
Every industrialized nation in the world has universal health care though all dont have govt run health insurance program. Health insurance in Japan (2nd largest economy) and Germany (3rd largest economy) is NOT run by the govt .
WorldTravelDude 2 years ago
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collapseofthedollar 2 years ago
I have been waiting for 3 weeks to see my doctor , and may just have to go to Canada to see one sooner. Our Health Care system is not efficient , the proposed health care plan has nothing to do with socialism . We have a mixed economy and not Capitalism , who picks up you garbage every week, School tax, Fire Dep. fees, etc ?? How many choices of water supply companies do you have to pipe water to your home ? Natural Gas and electricity ? Socialism , Think not . Mixed economy .....
IXLR8myThoughts 2 years ago
thank you so much for making an effort and speaking out ... great video ...
alennna 2 years ago 2
Medicare works great, but it is the private insurance providers who figured how not to pay when we get sick! A private insurance provider's payment maze does not have an exit if they do not want to pay you.
bunga40 2 years ago
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madadivad1986 2 years ago
The real reason why healthcare is more expensive in America is because of medical liability. Surely you've heard the medical malpractice attourneys encouraging people to sue their doctors.
The problem is that many of these lawsuits are frivolous, and all of the payouts are just obscene. Almost half of your medical bill goes to medical liability insurance. Shameless malpractice lawyers and their clients make more money than the doctors, while providing no service to the patients they extort.
Monawanaha 2 years ago
Its all about money.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
So what is your solution? You do not offer anything constructive but to scare people that doing absolutely nothing is best. How about some contributions of the solution instead of trying to scare people about owning this problem we have with our health care system and taking up the responsibility to deal with our ever worsening situation.
juxtn 2 years ago
LOL this is totally propaganda, the corporations see us like children and in a way we are, believing in shit like this, over 18,000 people die from having no health care.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
I don't believe you ,we are paying for programs like Medicare and Medicaid, plus illegals have free medical care in the hospital, without external support we provide to other countries
jerrysmith29 2 years ago 2
any Resident with $ O income to report (but with income on the side) living in USA, with properties and money in the Country where they were born, lie to the USA government just to live free without housing costs, health or food.
jerrysmith29 2 years ago 2
And real socialist heath care in other countries cost less per capital, coincidence that we pay more or that corporations jack up the price?
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
we pay for medicare and medicaid and now Obama Reform Healthcare want to impose "new taxes" for the working class??? if you live in New York and you are illegal you can get free hospital care, your children can get the free program for healthcare
jerrysmith29 2 years ago 2
No, the bill says if you make more than 80,000 i think or more, Its not a universal health-care because it will just make you buy insurance cheaply and it will leave out 10 million people that includes illegals.
As a humanist i rather have illegals alive instead of dead. I don't know i just like people i guess.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
first of all is a reform of healhcare ,Medicare and Medicaid benefits will be cut, the hospital emergency always receive a person illegally or without insurance(but Obama will impose them taxes ) , this is no the probem.
The problem is the elderly, and the middle working class paying medicare medicaid paying their taxes, their own insurance and the new Obama tax, but the problem does not stop here Nancy Pelosi want add Value Added Tax, including the poor and middle class.
jerrysmith29 2 years ago
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You do know every time the middle class or poor stand up for them selves they call us socialist???
medicare is socialist, socialism is for the people.
Capitalism is for the rich, who benefits the most???
Big corporations pay less and less to their employers but unions are socialist to, so what should we do?????????????
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
I must respectfully say that you don't have a clear understanding of capitalism.
rmcdaniel423 2 years ago
I have a real good knowing of capitalism, if it isn't regulated, the free market will go wild, turns into social Darwinism.
Chevron and Exxon mobile in Nigeria are killing whole tribe for oil, watch the documentary- Killing and drilling.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
Prices for ANYTHING can only be "jacked up" if some part of the economy is protected by government interference, which distorts the market. We don't have a true free market, so we don't see truly competitive prices. That's part of what the video is trying to explain.
rmcdaniel423 2 years ago 2
My Girlfriends 10 y/o daughter is living in Canada with her father; where they have Gov. run health care
She was forced to take the Gardasil shot in school, no parental consent
She now has a vicious case of Guillian Barre, she has attacks of temporary paralysis on random parts of her body.
Her horseback career is now over.
Hows THAT for gov. Health care ?
Say NO !
swordsman3000 2 years ago 2
what's this guys name?
markbel18 2 years ago
Sorry?
#1 Reason for home Foreclosure in US is not healthcare expense...It is simply buying more house than can be afforded.
For the type health insurance you are supporting, similar car insurance should cover gas, oil changes, tires, etc.
VideoDutch 2 years ago
ya know 18,000 people die every year because they can afford health care.
ya know thousands of people go bankrupt because their coverage is dropped?
do ya know how much strain is put on small business owners from increasing health insurance costs?
ya know our nations health care is already attached to a bureaucracy called health insurance?
ya know if we pass a public option nothing is gonna happen to your doctor?
do ya know what the only kind of corporation exempt from anti trusts laws is?
Sachielx7 2 years ago
da ya know higher taxes on companies could cost jobs.da ya know holding wages down for doctors and nurses could cause a shortage of those people.da ya know that other countries with this kinda health care are turning back to the private secror for change.ya know what i mean.did ya know that a $20 co pay ins is the most expesive but not the best.most 80/20 ins is as imexpensive as your part of a employer based ins plan.ya know what i mean
mommar33 2 years ago
Thats why we need a system like the UK has which had to cancel 50k operations yearly because of cost, and 500 heart patients die yearly because they had to wait too long for surgery.
Or how about Canada that has a shortage of doctors because they are burning out early and moving to the better pay in the US.
We need reform, but a public option is just self-inflicted genocide.
falchard 2 years ago 2
How about you go look up some facts before you run your mouth, buddy.
mkailov13 2 years ago
isn't he talking about privatized healthcare? the beurocrats are the ones making these medical decisions and denying people needed health care and trying to get the money back that they provided.
bababybwoo 2 years ago
Man this video is really well made! I wonder where the money came from to make it?
FunnyMoneyIs 2 years ago
"We get the government we deserve"... great line, but I don't think anyone could deserve the crap that american's have to go through.. the rest of the world looks on in wonder that you people still don't have decent public health care system
poetofnow 2 years ago
Good point. America not having a decent health care system is probably why people from all over the world go there for treatment. I agree that that's not decent, that's remarkable.
sgtkpf 2 years ago
That's odd, considering all the millions of people who live in the USA who can't get adequate health care... but hey, if you're in the top 99.9 percentile of income earners, I guess you might be able to afford to go the USA to see a doctor, although I've never known anyone that felt the desire to myself.
poetofnow 2 years ago
Exactly. Rich people come here to get treatment. Do you honestly think that that proves that it is inadequate? Do "the top 99.9 percentile of income earners" drive Ford Pinto's? That is a stupid argument. Also a stupid argument, that the fact that people can't afford health care proves that the country doesn't have good health care. We have Ferrari's here too, but not everyone can afford them.
sgtkpf 2 years ago
I guess that's the point of a socialized health care system? Looks like we agree on the situation, only you don't think it needs a remedy.
poetofnow 2 years ago
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poetofnow 2 years ago
morons talking about #1 reason for foreclosure is health care? baloney. you can go bankrupt and keep your house in 99% of the time. buy your own insurance, or do what i do and save up money for emergencies, and have a catastrophic plan.
wnorred 2 years ago
Uh best video ever? I think so.
UcanbeGOD 2 years ago
LOL! You libertarian clowns don't bother to mention that people are LEAVING THE USA to get healthcare.
Hell, why don't you tell people you're funded by Amway, Philip Morris and Exxon? Or by charter school billionaire raping Michigan getting oversubsidized for inferior charter schools?
Problem with you libertarians is you're corrupt liars and greedy as hell.
robertmike57 2 years ago
Posting test to see if my comment will be accepted. Tried multiple times to post at another video and it isn't showing up.
craigxxmas 2 years ago
#1 reason for home foreclosure in the US: Insanely expensive healthcare bills. So, basically, you have the option of apparently shitty service in Canada, or good but insanely expensive service in the USA. So it all comes down to if you can afford it or not.
mkailov13 2 years ago 2
"#1 reason for home foreclosure in the US: Insanely expensive healthcare bills."
...umm, google the subprime mortgage crisis. It's been kind of a big story over the last few years.
RHGoodwin 2 years ago
It is expensive, but the majority of the cost problem is government regulation.
The AMA is closing hospitals while we have a doctor shortage. Most doctors have to re-learn what they studied in Med School. They also have huge fees in form of student debt and malpractice insurance. Give the doctors some relief and prices will drop again.
Then get the government's hand out of insurance and open up state lines, forcing companies to compete for a 300 million customer market.
thug2ryde 2 years ago
...my Canadian aunties life is ruined from Canadian Crap Care. She went into ER in Canada with DEATH/migraine. Given only a bed. Found in a COMA. Too late. No MRI's No Brain specialists. She drags her leg and arm around. Her vibrant working traveling life = over. Thats our future. Obama care will eventualy kill you or disable you if you need Trauma Care or Heart surgery or Brain Bleed. You will be WAITING for help that never comes. WHY? Government workers saying = DENIED! = no life 4 you ~
memama2 2 years ago
Watch the magnificent Speech on YouTube video:......Peter Johnson Jr.: Prescription For Truth................( and share it with friends and family)
memama2 2 years ago
People should have the FREEDOM to CHOOSE to pool their resources together cooperatively, without having to rely on FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANIES who are less concerned with delivering health care and more concerned with making a buck.
awakenedinseattle 2 years ago 7
We need SINGLE payer, not a government run insurance.
Everybody in, no one out, no exclusions.
Government workers already have their health insurance and they not complaining.
Then of course they can have it only because we, who pay for it, do not.
vlastic 2 years ago
Back, not so long ago, people carried inexpensive medical insurance for serious conditions. Routine doctor visits were paid out of pocket and were affordable because the market (you and I) demanded it. What changed? Government got involved and tried to fix something that wasn't broken and made it much worse. So why would we trust government to fix the problem they created? Government is NOT the answer, it is the problem.
videojimbo 2 years ago
video-" Government got involved and tried to fix something that wasn't broken and made it much worse."
In what way did the government get involved? and "break" the health care system?
Please be specific
givethemahand 2 years ago
Once the government owns your healthcare they own you. The same goes for corporations. What we need is a return to freedom. What we need is a true free market approach to helathcare. What we need is choice. What we need is to get rid of associations such as the AMA which have almost a complete monopoly over the medical system. What we need is to abolish agencies such as the FDA which have done far more harm than good. Elliminate the third party involvment. That would bring true reform.
infopatriot 2 years ago
Because Hong Kong doesn't have over 300 million people with a high percentage of those riding financially on the backs of others...and how a "christian" could be against it is because we won't get health care, we'll get ignored. It will be like an HMO insurance plan (which you hardly see any more; it's great until you actually get sick. Our government does NOTHING well or cost efficiently. The current system needs a fix, but this is NOT it.
mvp019 2 years ago 2
What's wrong with NHC? Hong Kong has it and they're one the healthiest places in the world. Why doesn't this guy use that as an example?? That's right because this guy wants to instill fear. This guy is scared of NHC because he'll be losing millions in bonuses that should have been put into health care. Private Health care is for the RICH, not middle class, not the poor....the Rich. Look at how many middle Americas put up second/third mortgages or lose their homes because they fell ill.
BreeTodayisafatass 2 years ago
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Obama has said ( many times) that he does NOT favor the Canadian or UK model. He says it over and over and over and over...i kid you not.
But the opposition keeps bringing up Canada and the UK until the gullible public thinks thats what is on the table.
Its called a straw-man argument.. to argue against something that was never proposed. But its effective...so the opposition uses it.
givethemahand 2 years ago
Americans don't need public healthcare. In fact, we don't need public schools, public roads, state hospitals, or the post office. We've even already privatized much of the military.. for war.
bboingg777 2 years ago 5
@bboingg777 , yes, Americans NEED to pay $10,000 for emergency visits. It's absolutely necessary that they all go bankrupt after taking care of their(in normal countries) BASIC human right: health care.
Tihbialdunav 10 months ago
Who is paying you to spew lies? I just don't understand how a "christian" could be against providing for the sick and poor.
vodkafuel 2 years ago
After personally having the VA experience, which is government ran healthcare, you don't want. What he says will come to pass. I lived for many years without insurance and now I haved it though my employer. I would rather have a bill with the hospital than to use the "free" VA benefits I got from my time in the Army.
ancientmariner1984 2 years ago
The President's plan:
A. An "Insurance Exchange": companies compete on benefits & price for your business.
B. A Public Option: If you want it..pay premiums just like to regular insurance. Yes it competes with for-profits..thats the idea.They have a 35% overhead/profit cushion to get competitive with.
C. Keep your current policy if you want..but in the future, insurance co.'s have to offer polices that are non exclusionary. Then they get in the "Exchange" and compete.
Its a good plan.
givethemahand 2 years ago
Actually you're entrusting your healthcare, not to a doctor you know, but an insurance adjuster working for a multinational conglomerate who's owners are not accountable to a voter.
By the way ... how long is the wait when you don't have coverage? Infinitely long! wow ... that's a long fucking time.
hassleoffa 2 years ago
Wow. Properganda of the highest order. Im sure this guy has fantastic health insurance, unlike millions of other Americans who cant afford healthcare. Nationalised healthcare doesnt mean the opportunity to pay for private healthcare isnt there, but if you cant afford it, you can get it free from the government.
Id rather have a healthcare system managed by bureaucrats TRYING to help people who cant afford it, than have a system run by board members who only care about profit. Wake up America
RajB1986 2 years ago 2
Great comment, also great how these guys ignore the fact that the public option is optional.
thatotherwierdguy 2 years ago
You have the opportunity to make a choice. The burocracy will not be a problem if you think and create a good system. And everyone of you, I mean really everyone, will have the possibility to get a cure for any illness he will have without dealing with insurances and thinking about how much money he will have to pay to be cured.
Cheers
hagarr82 2 years ago
Hi all. I only want to give you a little advice. Here in Italy we have national healthcare and I'm really happy to have it like that. Obviously such a system have its pros and cons but even your actual has. It's true that sometimes you have to wait a few weeks to get an analisys, but this is because we don't have enough sanitary equipments for all the people who needs them. Anyway if a get sick or I hurt myself an ambulance come to take me to the hospital and medics take care of me for free.
hagarr82 2 years ago
Oh just get on with America, you're really starting to bore me.
Obama is not nationalising your healthcare merely introducing a public option.
You've got a hangover from the cold war and stick to your right wing free marketeer politics like religous dogma.
And by the way, our NHS is great. Please leave it out of all future debates.
stefanboro 2 years ago
it will start out as a public option. Until insurance companies go out of buisness.
hotpiebob 2 years ago
ok look..............can someone please tell me the real truth about national healthcare? for some reason, i dont mind paying out the pocket for the less fortunate, i sincerely feel everyone should get helped when they need to...what is so wrong about this? what are the real problems of NHC? or is there none?
unique216 2 years ago 7
Why don't you try watching the video and listening to the arguments, or perhaps do a little reading? Your bleeding heart about the 'unfortunates' does not distinguish you.
brainiacgames 2 years ago
Right on, Unique216.
Like many others here, I have no problem with people making a fair profit -- but I do have a problem with EXORBITANT PROFITS being made on the backs of the most vulnerable population imaginable: the sick and the dying.
Health care is the issue of our time.
ThomasRosenkreuz 2 years ago
exactly thomas
unique216 2 years ago
Many of the people who cry "Socialism!" about the current healthcare debate would have more credibility if they had been criticizing THE MASSIVE redistribution of wealth over the past 30+ years towards corporate welfare, which benefits the very few at great cost to the many.
Unfortunately, the American people -- like Pavlov's dog -- have been programmed to respond to certain stimuli, in this case the emotionally-laden charge, "Socialism!"
awakenedinseattle 2 years ago 6
Perahps because Socialism is evil. If you think it's so great, live somewhere else. The whole reason health care is currently unaffordable is because people like you keep begging the government to regulate it more and more, driving costs up. Try reading.
brainiacgames 2 years ago
Do you even know what "socialism" is?
And no, the reason health care is unaffordable is because too many people (like the greedy insurance company CEOs) are making too damned much MONEY off of it.
Sometimes for-profit businesses are a solution -- and sometimes they are the problem.
awakenedinseattle 2 years ago 2
Yes, I can consult a dictionary - it has to do with 'collectivist principles', which are at the heart of SOCIALIZED medicine. And no, it's not about CEO's making money. It's about CEO's running government-created monopolies making money. If you remove the monopoly and create competition, this wouldn't be a problem. But go back to sleep and trust the government who got us into this mess.
brainiacgames 2 years ago
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awakenedinseattle 2 years ago
isn't hilarious how everyone thinks profit is a BAD thing?!? I have never been hired to do work by a poor person.
adg1017 2 years ago
I'd really hate to take away profits from you, assbag! HAHAHAHA
Look at this guy sitting on his leather couch and nice view.... keep in mind, he's protecting the profits of the extremely wealth... the ones that deny you that liver, even thought you've been working hard to pay them your entire life. DISGUSTING!!
SuperEvilC 2 years ago 4
wow this "antimarxism" guy is a riot! so angry and bitter
bpchandl 2 years ago
there is literally nothing in this video but opinion
ebuttes 2 years ago
Wrong, there are several cases I know of personally of Canadians crossing the border and paying for American healthcare.
Sam26100 2 years ago
I guess the 60 minutes show interviewing Canadian's crossing into the US for operations and such is not factual. I have heard and read about this before Obama was even a senator. People in Europe are also dieng from govenment run healtcare. Some of you people are uniformed and blind to the truth. The rest of you are servants of Satan and the Lake of Fire awaits you.
silentrunThe1st 2 years ago
Hey guys, if the government ran a healthcare system, there'd be so much bureaucracy!
Let's stick with what we've got, letting professional insurance companies decide if we should get any treatment and paying higher administration costs than any other country. Because we don't want the government involved with providing comprehensive healthcare, we want a profit-driven financial institution between us and our doctors!
cactustactics 2 years ago
Why don't republicans abolish medicare and let the free market take care it?
I mean it's eliminating the CHOICE the elderly have.
AndroidPolitician 2 years ago
why did he have to mention " our" spiritual life
wtf
beardos 2 years ago
More right wing nonsense. The sad thing is that so many idiots believe it.
al92lt1 2 years ago 2
The DMV runs on cost/benefit analyses? Is this clown implying that insurance companies are any different?
Medicaid, medicare and the VA are all government run, and they are far more efficient than the private sector. Surveys consistently show very high satisfaction with these programs, and Canadians are actually very happy with their care.
The most important issue here is that private-sector healthcare leaves out the poor. What is your solution for that Mr. Entrepreneur? Get a better job?
Mastabiff 2 years ago
Hate socialist gov run health Prove it everyone who hates it doesn't think it works right now go to parents grandparents & disabled you know & take there socialist gov run medicare & social security & tell them from now on if they need medical care ask you & you will write them a check or if they need rent let you know &you will write them a check also if you know a soldier or a vet take there socialist gov run health card as well & do the same pay there bills i wonder how many will prove it
stme2008 2 years ago
My cousin in Cuba asks for aspirin and vitamins for his kids. The propaganda for socialize Medicine is so high that it blinds those that want reforms. We have good thing in the US it needsv to get better not go back to a free nothing system.
dportal1 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Right wing nutjobs like this guy are the exact reason that it's highly unlikely the US healthcare system will ever be fixed and why the tiny island of Cuba will always have a better healthcare system than the US.
Way to dwell on the drawbacks while completely ignoring the positives.
flerglnergl 2 years ago
"The tiny island of Cuba will always have a better healthcare system than the US."
This claim is either funny, or breathtakingly naive.
KonradAdenauerJr 2 years ago
Have fun getting gouged on your insurance premiums, then.
And if it's not you it's your employer....who will stop offering it as a benefit once the cost becomes unsustainable.
There's a reason the US is the only reason with a purely private healthcare system: it's more expensive, reduces access and unless you can afford to pay case for quality care, the care will be inferior.
In my opinion it is you who is naive.
flerglnergl 2 years ago
Actually, I'm self-employed.
Moreover, I've grown up behind the (former) Iron Curtain, so I've had my share of exposure to a government-run health care system (same as Cuba's). Try again...
KonradAdenauerJr 2 years ago 2
Well then I'll say it again: Have fun getting gouged on insurance premiums, :)
flerglnergl 2 years ago
Have fun w/ a nationalized health care system. :=)
KonradAdenauerJr 2 years ago
Thank you. I will.
flerglnergl 2 years ago
They have little faith in their own country.... we have a few in our family that have been denied operations and such, yet they're still going against their own interest and buying into the propaganda put out by the insurance industry to maintain their huge profits.... very sad!
SuperEvilC 2 years ago
Yeah, it's 'propaganda' to look at the donation levels of insurance companies to Democrats. Why do you think they want this bill to pass? Because with 'socialized' medicine the insurance companies become permanent monopolies. Free market reform is what terrifies them.
brainiacgames 2 years ago
Right on, tell it how it is. Great video!
kilovictor88 2 years ago
In the wise words of P.J. O'Rourke: "If you think health care is expensive now -- just wait until it's free."
KonradAdenauerJr 2 years ago
Lolololol
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I've read countless anecdotes which discredit either side of the issue, but above all else, insurance companies' practice of rescission disgusts me enough to never advocate a wholly private run healthcare system.
I see countless strawmen arguments about 'bureaucracies' and 'intervention' which claim to discredit government efficacy and champion the free market but really - would that be any different than what goes on now? Does the US honestly feel 'free' dealing with healthcare controlled...
twatsthelotofye 2 years ago