"Look at that church. Look at that red car. Now look at your checkbook. Now look at that pen. Now look at your hand holding that pen writing me a check for $50,000.00. Feeling better? All is better now.'
What amuses me is the tone of surprise about taking advantage of people in times of trouble and weakness, THAT IS NOT unique to scientology im afraid, some religious societies and groups like to try lure drunk people after a night out with free food, there are still overseas missionaries. At least the liberal mainstream of the major religions isnt so bad these days. Still, long live humanists and secularism!
@SSgtParmer I agree, but Christianity became widespread with the point of the sword and the CO$ doesn't have that luxury. They must rely on mental manipulation, coersion,threats, intimidation, lawsuits etc. Scientology is already spit into two camps, the CO$ and the FreeZone and if we keep nipping at their heals they will all go the way of the "Moonies", The Rosecrutions and the other forgotten "religions".
CCHR is itizens Commission on Human Rights, a front group for Scientology to help them look legit.
Also the more front groups they have, the easier it is to launder the money they fleece from victims.
Google Scientology if you do not know about it, and look at several sites and youtube vids to decide for yourself. As far as most people can tell they exist only to drain people of finances.
Every post paid envelope you can find from scientology & Dianetics. Fill it with a print out of Xenu Leaflet. Than tape it to a brick and send it back as a response. Best way to protest. Tell all your friend to do this. The church of scientology will have a huge mail bill and each letter opened will free one of their members. Once you red Xenu leaflet they kick you out automatically. Tell as many people as you can. Power of the many. A million people send bricks back that should do something.
When I was on staff in Seattle we were sent to get CCHR petitions signed at the candle light vigil being held for John Lennon after his murder!!! And of course I was reprimanded for saying it wasn't cool and wasn't well recieved by the mourners.
any major disaster that occurs, scientology will be there .. mark my words.. they are doing it for "P.R." it is considered "good P.R." in scientology .. to present the public with a good image of themselves .. handing out those "way to bankruptcy" booklets is really the main goal and also getting you to come in to their so called "orgs" for personality tests and eventually courses and "auditing" ..
Scientology is a money making scheme and unfortunately people are so invested in it they cant just give it up. Not to mention the breaking down of the individual so they lose there individuality.. Very horrible Cult.
everyone has an agenda even the reporter of this video what scientologies do are very positive i prefer this instead of hipocresy of christians or the mother teresas of the world
@GermanChocolateCake tell me a religion that doesnt need money ? may be you are a poor asshole that think that money is evil SCIENTOLOGY help the individual to become better in every single area BY THE WAY i m not scientologist
@SuperAlexrios Of course they all need money, ravenously. Money isn't evil, people are. And people will resort to the most heinous evils to get it. Also, you defend them venomously for someone who isn't one of them. Why is that?
@GermanChocolateCake Ikhow i have to be patient with people like u Why im defendeing them? Simple I defend everything that try the betterment of mankind I defend martin luther king Do i have to be black person to defend him? I defend the military of this country Do i have to be soldier to defend them? You are stupid and your mother dont khow about it
@SuperAlexrios I can almost respect your position on defending beneficial people/organization. I do believe you are deluding yourself if you think Sci is beneficial as a whole, but you, as ever are entitled your opinion. As for being stupid, all I can say is that your last line insult was pretty damn funny. I was prepared to be offended, but the insult itself was too funny for me to outraged.
All i can really say is, pick your friends wisely, and don't neglect healthy skepticism.
@SuperAlexrios Ikhow i have to be patient with people like u Why im defendeing them? Simple I defend everything that try the betterment of mankind I defend martin luther king Do i have to be black person to defend him? I defend the military of this country Do i have to be soldier to defend them? You are stupid and your mother dont khow about it
well christians ask for donations if you are unable to you won't be turned away.. Scientology charges for their courses you can't excell unless you pay... All other religions really Christian, Jew, Buddist, Muslim you can go up to them and ask them about their beliefs and they'yy answer fully, try that with a scientologist and you don't get anything
So you get to paint all Scientology with one brush, but I have to cherry pick my way through Christianity? I'm no fan of Scientology, or Christianity.
there are bad people in every religion but scientology (the "religion") as a whole is bad. i don't care about their beliefs but what they do to people and familys its a cult basically
Scientology is much more aggressive when it comes to taking the money when compared to most other religions. I do not like either, but if I had to pick one I dislike a lot, it would be scientology.
The difference is that christians don't actually brainwash people, and they can leave whenever they want. And they ask for donations, they don't MAKE YOU pay, or sign over your business or bank account. Or ruin your entire life and abuse you and use you for slave labor.
wow i can't believe you said that. i'm sorry...but...your a dumbass. christians don't "force you" to pay, they just ask for donations. scientology forces and demands that you to pay in order to live a "happy" life or to be one with there chruch, with makes no fukin sence. next time think something out before you say it.
Given that compassion is rated "low on the tone scale" by Hubbard, and Hubbard is always right (according to Scilons), how could compassion be the motivation for Scilons to make these visits? Logically, their motivation must be something else.
Anyone familiar with the Cof$ knows exactly what that motivation is.
IF THEY do return (those Scientologist nutjobs), RUN RUN RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN the other way!!! Trust and believe what I am telling you, they mean nothing but something to your BANK ACCOUNT!!!
So their technique is to run away from internal problems and bottling them up instead of facing them accepting them and moving on. Oye Vey and 50,000 people still buy into this.
Shame on VT for not doing their homework on how this dangerous and criminal group operates. If my child were attending VT I would be very concerned that groups like that are allowed on campus to recruit people at there weakest moments. Scientology has hundreds of front groups they use to obtain there objective of "Clearing the Planet" of anybody and everybody who does not follow the $cientology way.
I can't believe they would go that far!!! Just like what they did to my friend to take him out of college too. My friend didn't go to VA Tech, but they snatched my buddy up too.
Okay, i was just wondering. I could swear there was something to protect the 'emotionally vulnerable' from certain influences. I'm gonna look into this.
And sorry for misspelling 'religious' there. Even though English isn't my native language it still made me look like an ass. Even more so when talking to a master journalist ;)
by attempting to restrict their speech, you'd be no better than they are. they will suffer the consequences of their choice without any interference from the law
I think the only thing that prevents them is a sense of morality. The trouble is the cult has overridden this by telling them they are helping people by trying to sell them dianetics and get them to take course; although they believe they are providing assists and exposing them to the tech so they might start on the bridge to total freedom. They think they are doing the right thing, only those outside the cult and maybe those at the top of the cult can see how inappropriate it is.
CULT CULT CULT! this is what cults do, they try to get people to join when they are vulnerable, so that's why they go to places where people just experienced a tragedy or lost of loved ones. it's easier to brainwash people when they are weak. it's sick that these people are doing this.
This is a dangerous cult. Scientology coopted me when I was in High Schol, it costed my parents years to get me out, and it really gets me mad to see them trying to do it all over again. It is like seeing the nazi party come over their ashes and rise once again making rallies and their deception stuff. It gets on my nerves.
@elarrebat at 16 i had a similiar experience, but i had a vigilant father that put a stop to it very quickly. i alm now 64 and thank god my dad was there at that time.
They did the same shit in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. It's despicable, but you have to understand these people are in a predatory cult that has brainwashed them into believing that Hubbard's gobbledygook is mankind's only hope of salvation from certain doom. They really believe that the only way to help anyone is to recruit them into Scientology.
You are 100% right. I was one of them. They coopted me when I was in High Schol, and it really gets me mad to see them trying to do it all over again. It is like seeing the nazi party come over their ashes and rise once again making rallies and their deception stuff. It gets on my nerves.
It is inappropriate. It's as inappropriate as sending pastors into high schools when there's a tragedy there, or passing out Jesus pamphlets at soup kitchens. That's what religions and cults do. They take advantage of people in their weak moments, and it's f'ing evil. But it's not surprising or newsworthy.
If people reported it on the news every time religions and cults did some minor evil thing like this, it's all we'd ever hear about. It's not newsworthy because it's not surprising and not unique or interesting. My point is, they've singled out Scientology here, but if Christians sent a pastor into a high school after a fatal car accident, CNN would not report on it. What's special here? What makes it newsworthy?
Probably because Christianity is recognised as a religion world wide, yet Scientology is only recognised in about half the worlds countries. In many it is seen as an unethical business and in many it is also seen as a cult created by a con man. I would rather see stories on the news about Scientology that the latest celebrity devorce or drug addicted musician.
But Christianity and Scientology are both officially religions (although I personally contend there is no difference between a cult and a religion, and Scientology and Christianity represent equally ridiculous beliefs.) If Christians have a right to move in on people in distress, then so have Scientologists, and it's quite unfair of CNN or anyone else to complain or even comment.
To put it simply, I think this news story is an example of CNN having a double standard. It's not surprising, since CNN has a pretty heavy Christian slant, but it still disappoints me. You'll have to forgive me for that; I can't help but keep hope alive that human beings will behave like rational, decent conscious beings once in a while.
It is newsworthy. You stated "It's not newsworthy because it's not surprising and not unique or interesting." Well that would be your opinion, I find it interesting. "Surprising and unique" have nothing to do with news, if it did, we wouldn't hear about the war in Iraq, nothing of murders or for that matter the news would go for about 5 minutes as there is very little happening that is unique these days and I believe people are very rarely surprised by news unless something sensational happens.
If news is all about telling us stuff we already know, then why aren't they reporting about Christians taking advantage of people in weak moments, and why don't they call it olds instead of news?
I get where you are coming from. I don't agree with double standards either, but this will always happen, it is the nature of the beast. They may be telling you and me something we already know but that does not mean everyone knows about it. I guess we can't assume that everyone is as up to date as us. I get more pissed off with seeing Linsay Lohan and Britney Spears on every news break more than a rehashed news article. "olds instead of news" love it!!
I have to credit author Terry Pratchett for the 'olds' vs. 'news' thing. He mentioned it in the Discworld novel "The Truth"- a wonderful satire re: journalism.
Absolutely. He's my favourite author. The Discworld series is technically fantasy, but more than anything they're insightful and cutting satire. Everything he writes is an allusion to something, and I learn a lot from reading his books and looking up the things he brings up. There's an interesting article about him on Wikipedia.
You're right. I shouldn't compare Terry Pratchett to you; no matter what happens to the man's brain, it's unfair to do that to him.
Religious people who rely on science in the form of modern medicine are hypocrites. You pick and choose which *universal* laws to apply to what. Prayer is proven over and over again to have no effect whatsoever other than a meditation-like effect, but you still use it as if it can change the world. Who's the dimwit?
You accuse atheists of being morally ambiguous, but we're not the ones who have, over and over again in history, decided that a magic man in the sky told us to kill entire populations in his name.
Nope, but some atheists used the excuse that others believed in the magic man in the sky as a reason to kill the shit out of them. Mao Tse Tung wasn't a morally ambigous atheist, he was a downright immoral one.
I appreciate and thank you for your concerns. I'm happy to know we were able to conduct ourselves as gentlemen and with decency. Good luck to you, your family, and best wishes.
Well, that's where we differ, and I really wish there could be some sort of resolution. But, seeing how we have two very different views on the subject as a whole, I really doubt any arguments or debates that are created are going to come to any real agreement. I've put your views up for consideration, but, I'm sorry, they just aren't real to me. No offense.
No offence taken. I respect your opinion and mostly the way you have handled yourself in this conversation, it has been a pleasure. If you do ever want to discuss the topic of Scientology with a "nonperson" (haha) again, I would be happy to accommodate. Do keep an open mind to what I have written and always remember that you don't need the CoS to follow the writings of Hubbard. They are not using the money as it should be and you deserve better. Cheers.
Wow that was surreal! i read through your debate with Happy here and i have to say it was the youtubue equivalent of an old timey pistol duel. you know with the whole bit about walking ten paces and all... a sublime joust of passive aggression in the land of over-the-top insults. In the end i got to give the win to Happy though. Why? Because what does it matter who REALLY wrote whatever nonsense he believes in? Ultimately the author is just another word on the book cover. Ignorance is bliss!
Well i tried to but it turns out that the bitch is dead! Hahaha. Yeah ok bad joke.
Anyway the only protection against indoctrination (aka brainwashing) is to understand how the process works. Repeated message over and over and over until the mind breaks.
No one is safe. No mind is "too strong" to resist indefinetly.
However armed with this knowdledge a person can recognize when they are in a situtation in which a person(s) is attempting to brainwash them and escape. Use force if neccessary.
Realistically, it's my experience, and it's true for me. Really, it's perfectly fine that you're critical of it. I find no fault with your ability to think critically, as I won't deny the right of anyone to do so. But through my experience, it's really never lead me in a wrong direction. I give it my full support.
That is fine and of course I would encourage anyone to continue doing something they find is good for them (as long as it doesn't harm others). My issue isn't with what you personally do with the new or old texts, it's with the unethical way by which Hubbard and the CoS conduct/ed themselves. Then once you see the evidence of the bad deeds commited by the organization during and after Ron's reign it is hard to take anything said by the CoS at face value.
Well whatever man, believe what you wanna believe. I could be wrong, you could be right. I could be right, you could be wrong. You've got no trust for Scientology, Ron, or Miscavige? OK, that's you, it's not me. It's changed my life, and I trust the books are 100% Ron. I don't really give a shit if you think otherwise.
So what proof ya got that David Miscavige himself wrote the new books? Hmm?? Where's the documentation, where's the evidence??? How come when I read the old Scientology books they don't make sense, and when I read the new ones, they make complete sense? Hmm? There's new phenomena happening that never happened before...
The new books were written after Ron's death. Now unless he came back from wherever he went after he left his body, I find it very hard to believe that he wrote the words. DM re-wrote the books, one theory is that it was to gain more money from the remainder of the followers. Ultimately, all the words in the new books were not written or authorized by Ron and as such are alterations of the original text, something that was promised by the CoS to never happen, corruption of the text.
Well if that's what's true for you sir, then that's as true as it's gonna get. But for me, it's quite the opposite, because these books have helped me blow a lot of charge, and they've never offered that before. That's the great thing about the tech, things happen with the snap of a finger.
"How come when I read the old Scientology books they don't make sense?". So, what you just admitted to is that Ron's actual words make no sense, only the rewritten (by someone else) books make sense. Think about that for a moment.
It is YOUR interpretation and your belief that they were re-written by someone else, but you technically cannot at this time prove your argument with hard evidence and fact. The transcriptions of Ron's original works were altered, and they've stayed altered. They were restored, and I can tell the difference.
So the original texts that were written, proof read and authorized by Ron were incorrect and the rewritten versions are correct? Help me out here, 50 years of people using Ron's original texts were wrong and the new texts produced after his death that were never authorized by Ron are correct. Did I get that right?
Happy seems unconcerned that Hubbard himself never caught any of these problems during the decades he wrote, printed, distributed and swore by the original directions. After all his KSW warnings about altering his tech, it turns out it needed wide-ranging wholesale alterations after all so people like Happy could finally get it.
That Hubbard was pretty sloppy. Thank God DM is so much more on the ball than the old man.
Very true Mark. I would of thought that this revelation would have brought out questions for Happy. Instead denial was the reaction. Perhaps he will revisit the thought at a later date.
You don't want to hear the positives of Scientology because you keep insisting that Scientology is wrong and that LRH was a con man. You keep contradicting yourself. And it's not "possitive", it's "positive" with one "s".
Flunk. I stated that my investigations/study have shown that Ron was a con man and that the CoS is a corrupt organization. I of course would love to hear the information from you which shows that he wasn't and that the CoS is really doing what they say they are.
Turning a little offensive aren't you. Perhaps you should take a little time to bring yourself back up the tone scale. I don't know why you are so enturbulated, I'm just sharing information with you and you are welcome to do the same. As for the coward remark, I don't believe I'm a coward. I don't put myself in harms way without a good reason. If that makes me a coward in your eyes, then so be it.
Would it be fair to say that you have nothing else of value for this conversation and that you are now going to resort to childish name calling. That is a shame, I was enjoying our chat and was hopefull of more from you.
Well, nothing's free in this world, and I'm not going to just pour out my wins on the table for you to inspect like a scientist. If you wanna know the positivity of Scientology, get involved with it, or read the new books and maybe they'll make more sense to ya. Good luck, and best wishes.
I find it impossible find any millispec of truth in:
"This is no ARC break, this is reality born from in depth investigation. I find it impossible to look past the fact that Ron was quite dispicable in life and that he was a notorious con man. He was no friend of mankind, he was in it for one person alone, himself."
Yeah well, Dr. Martin Luther King was said to be a very dirty minded man, getting with prostitutes and drinking heavily. But the man still stood for good and still spoke for peace among all people. LRH was a man just like anyone else, I'm sure he did some wrong, but it outweighed the good and I can see it in Scientology.
I don't believe that Martin Luther King was lining his own pockets with millions of dollars from "Church" donations. If you have information that shows otherwise, I am all ears.
Of course you don't know what I'm talking about. That would have mean't that you would have looked into the critical information on Ron. His accountant and other high members that blew the CoS brought all this info out 20+ years ago. Why do you think Ron was in hiding? He had warrents for his arrest, he actually died a fugitive from the law.
You put too much emphasis on little insignificant details and events that it leads you nowhere fast. I hope you get somewhere with your entire pool of facts and I hope your parade can manage to play a persuading tune, because until then, Scientology stays.
I'm not trying to persuade you to do anything, I'm having a discussion with you. I was hoping you would have some new information about Scientology that I didn't already know. Instead you are getting all defensive and running away. I thought an intellectual conversation would be nice.
This is no ARC break, this is reality born from in depth investigation. I find it impossible to look past the fact that Ron was quite dispicable in life and that he was a notorious con man. He was no friend of mankind, he was in it for one person alone, himself.
I find it impossible to find any millispec of truth in that paragraph. I'm sorry, but...just...no, lol. That's completely false and never will be true because it completely contradicts every Scientology book ever written, and it completely contradicts the life changing results that I and many other Scientologists have obtained.
Well hey man, that's cool. You're among the few who don't agree. If it's not for you, it's not for you. I'm not gonna sit here try to convince you, because quite frankly, it's a waste of my time.
"You're among the few who don't agree." Actually that statement is incorrect. It is estimated that there are now more ex-Scientologists in the world than there are active members. Of course it isn't a waste of your time, you could give examples of possitive actions performed by the CoS and list some of your personal wins. You could be the first Scientologist on You Tube to show the possitive side.
So you're pretty much ARC broken with Scientology. I understand. "It is estimated that there are now more ex-Scientologists in the world than active members", lmao. That's an alleged 'fact' from an ex-Scientologist with a doubt condition.
Okay, thanks for pointing out my mistake. You're not an ex-Scientologist. You're what...a Scientology antagonist? Scientology critic? You name it. Either way, whatever it is, it looks to me that you've got some big doubts that you aren't looking to resolve anytime soon.
I'm a student. I look at all information available and draw educated conclusions. My doubts about Scientology can't be resolved by you calling me an antagonist. I have actually been supportive of you, is it not your goal to bring me up the tone scale? I have given you that oportunity by asking you to state the possitives of the Scientology and asking you for some of your wins. My mind is open, give me new information to tilt the scales back.
If you really were a student, you'd be studying on source, and doing your best to come a full conceptual understanding of the subject. I never called you an Scn-Antagonist, I merely suggested it. It should be your own goal to bring yourself up the tone scale. And I need not tell the tales of my own wins, you can have them yourself.
I have sipped from the poisoned well and found it to be contaminated. You are asking me to take great gulps now.
If you take away my obvious openness to critical information on Scientology, I am very high up the tone scale. My only issue on your tone scale would be my disbelief in Hubbard's motives, you could help with that. Couldn't you?
I read "Dianetics", "The Creation of Human Ability" and "Fundamentals of Thought" about 18 years ago. These were the originals not the abridged versions by DM.
Yeah, I had doubts after I read those too, lots of missing text and concepts, no wonder you don't understand Scientology! But I gotta tell ya, after I read the new Fundamentals of Thought, it made so much more sense man.
Shameful cultists are doing nothing but recruiting, plain and simple.
Gregman420 1 month ago
Touch assist my ass, its called a fucking massage people .......what a bunch of garbage, its beyond me how ANYONE could fall for this shit!!!
fzappa007 1 month ago
Sylvia is incapable of telling the truth. Bold faced liar
AnonymousPrettySP 6 months ago
Do not blame these innocent hipnotic members of this cult. They are just prostituting their own spirits to this con artist evil commands.
Archie54able 10 months ago
wtf aren't virginia tech students supposed to be smart?....scientology wouldn't be caught dead at MIT!
SpoiledLogic 11 months ago
The shootings hit me at my core - B'burg is my 2d home. That they would come here and do that - reprehensible. The worst ever.
Be3tBe3t 11 months ago
"Look at that church. Look at that red car. Now look at your checkbook. Now look at that pen. Now look at your hand holding that pen writing me a check for $50,000.00. Feeling better? All is better now.'
maximusdecimus888 1 year ago 4
What amuses me is the tone of surprise about taking advantage of people in times of trouble and weakness, THAT IS NOT unique to scientology im afraid, some religious societies and groups like to try lure drunk people after a night out with free food, there are still overseas missionaries. At least the liberal mainstream of the major religions isnt so bad these days. Still, long live humanists and secularism!
dylansroof 1 year ago
Scientology is bull shit. It's not a religious but rather a pyramid scheme...
Conceptskatemedia 1 year ago
@SSgtParmer I agree, but Christianity became widespread with the point of the sword and the CO$ doesn't have that luxury. They must rely on mental manipulation, coersion,threats, intimidation, lawsuits etc. Scientology is already spit into two camps, the CO$ and the FreeZone and if we keep nipping at their heals they will all go the way of the "Moonies", The Rosecrutions and the other forgotten "religions".
missletoe99 1 year ago
CCHR is itizens Commission on Human Rights, a front group for Scientology to help them look legit.
Also the more front groups they have, the easier it is to launder the money they fleece from victims.
Google Scientology if you do not know about it, and look at several sites and youtube vids to decide for yourself. As far as most people can tell they exist only to drain people of finances.
minnescanada 1 year ago
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Every post paid envelope you can find from scientology & Dianetics. Fill it with a print out of Xenu Leaflet. Than tape it to a brick and send it back as a response. Best way to protest. Tell all your friend to do this. The church of scientology will have a huge mail bill and each letter opened will free one of their members. Once you red Xenu leaflet they kick you out automatically. Tell as many people as you can. Power of the many. A million people send bricks back that should do something.
roboptions 1 year ago
When I was on staff in Seattle we were sent to get CCHR petitions signed at the candle light vigil being held for John Lennon after his murder!!! And of course I was reprimanded for saying it wasn't cool and wasn't well recieved by the mourners.
missletoe99 1 year ago
CCHR?
Scientology?
HateFenians 1 year ago
@HateFenians see "minnescanada" answer above.
missletoe99 1 year ago
NUTJOBS WOOOOO!!!
VicRules666 1 year ago
any major disaster that occurs, scientology will be there .. mark my words.. they are doing it for "P.R." it is considered "good P.R." in scientology .. to present the public with a good image of themselves .. handing out those "way to bankruptcy" booklets is really the main goal and also getting you to come in to their so called "orgs" for personality tests and eventually courses and "auditing" ..
mobspeak 1 year ago
Sickening. Typical. Faith healing by any other name...is still faith healing.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
BRAINWASHING
pupps76 1 year ago 2
Look at that red car...good!
KittyHippy 2 years ago 2
Scientology is a money making scheme and unfortunately people are so invested in it they cant just give it up. Not to mention the breaking down of the individual so they lose there individuality.. Very horrible Cult.
FightTheJoker 2 years ago 3
everyone has an agenda even the reporter of this video what scientologies do are very positive i prefer this instead of hipocresy of christians or the mother teresas of the world
SuperAlexrios 2 years ago
@SuperAlexrios Yes, everyone does have an agenda. Sci's agenda is to make money.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake this is the most stupid comment i ever read
SuperAlexrios 1 year ago
@SuperAlexrios Of course you'd say that. Sci teaches its pupils well.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake tell me a religion that doesnt need money ? may be you are a poor asshole that think that money is evil SCIENTOLOGY help the individual to become better in every single area BY THE WAY i m not scientologist
SuperAlexrios 1 year ago
@SuperAlexrios Of course they all need money, ravenously. Money isn't evil, people are. And people will resort to the most heinous evils to get it. Also, you defend them venomously for someone who isn't one of them. Why is that?
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake Ikhow i have to be patient with people like u Why im defendeing them? Simple I defend everything that try the betterment of mankind I defend martin luther king Do i have to be black person to defend him? I defend the military of this country Do i have to be soldier to defend them? You are stupid and your mother dont khow about it
SuperAlexrios 1 year ago
@SuperAlexrios I can almost respect your position on defending beneficial people/organization. I do believe you are deluding yourself if you think Sci is beneficial as a whole, but you, as ever are entitled your opinion. As for being stupid, all I can say is that your last line insult was pretty damn funny. I was prepared to be offended, but the insult itself was too funny for me to outraged.
All i can really say is, pick your friends wisely, and don't neglect healthy skepticism.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@SuperAlexrios Ikhow i have to be patient with people like u Why im defendeing them? Simple I defend everything that try the betterment of mankind I defend martin luther king Do i have to be black person to defend him? I defend the military of this country Do i have to be soldier to defend them? You are stupid and your mother dont khow about it
SuperAlexrios 1 year ago
What's funny is that $ci would make way more money if they weren't so fucking psychopathic and cruel to their members.
drewd1987 2 years ago 3
Currently taking courses for free, without any problems. Courses I'm taking are not offensive, nor show offense towards other beliefs. IMO
Jevaunatius 2 years ago
Look at that car? Really? REALLY?!
Location assist my ass!
DookieAdz 2 years ago
I don't know. They do have some odd beliefs, but.....I may have to join.
elasatlaculos 2 years ago
if you say good bye to your moeny and your mind
cyraxandflyraxHaters 2 years ago
Funny - the christians believe in insane things and always want my money. what's the difference?
elasatlaculos 2 years ago
well christians ask for donations if you are unable to you won't be turned away.. Scientology charges for their courses you can't excell unless you pay... All other religions really Christian, Jew, Buddist, Muslim you can go up to them and ask them about their beliefs and they'yy answer fully, try that with a scientologist and you don't get anything
cyraxandflyraxHaters 2 years ago 12
Two words: Benny Hinn
elasatlaculos 2 years ago
yeah he's a piece of shit and doesn't represent all christians which i'm not currently standing up for but i am against scientology
cyraxandflyraxHaters 2 years ago
So you get to paint all Scientology with one brush, but I have to cherry pick my way through Christianity? I'm no fan of Scientology, or Christianity.
elasatlaculos 2 years ago
there are bad people in every religion but scientology (the "religion") as a whole is bad. i don't care about their beliefs but what they do to people and familys its a cult basically
cyraxandflyraxHaters 2 years ago 2
Well - the important part is at least you see a difference.
elasatlaculos 2 years ago
Scientology is much more aggressive when it comes to taking the money when compared to most other religions. I do not like either, but if I had to pick one I dislike a lot, it would be scientology.
DeamonD 2 years ago 2
the difference is that the church doesnt hide all the bullshit they belive in.
They dont make people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to be told the secret bullshit.
They dont make you cut your ties with any one that doesnt believe the bullshit.
They dont write down what you confess and use it against you, or black mail you with it.
This is coming from an atheist with no love for organised religion.
qarohc 2 years ago
The difference is that christians don't actually brainwash people, and they can leave whenever they want. And they ask for donations, they don't MAKE YOU pay, or sign over your business or bank account. Or ruin your entire life and abuse you and use you for slave labor.
drewd1987 2 years ago
wow i can't believe you said that. i'm sorry...but...your a dumbass. christians don't "force you" to pay, they just ask for donations. scientology forces and demands that you to pay in order to live a "happy" life or to be one with there chruch, with makes no fukin sence. next time think something out before you say it.
phillip357 1 year ago
i prefer to remain agnostic
ritban 2 years ago
same
pandaninja1303 2 years ago
I had a hard time believing what I was seeing during this video at first...
...but wow. That's evil.
remick0 2 years ago
Given that compassion is rated "low on the tone scale" by Hubbard, and Hubbard is always right (according to Scilons), how could compassion be the motivation for Scilons to make these visits? Logically, their motivation must be something else.
Anyone familiar with the Cof$ knows exactly what that motivation is.
11Jamie11 2 years ago
I want a location assist.
JaMiNjAy423 2 years ago
The shit scientologists take part in is even stupider then i thought.
JaMiNjAy423 2 years ago 3
$¢iento£og¥ is a cult. Ex $¢iento£ogists say so themselves.
JillyX92 2 years ago 6
Scientology = Cult = AC/DC w/Bon Scott = "Highway to Hell"
jlhottel 2 years ago 2
what a bunch of assholes. i mean, pardon my language, but really.
jschrift 2 years ago 10
IF THEY do return (those Scientologist nutjobs), RUN RUN RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN the other way!!! Trust and believe what I am telling you, they mean nothing but something to your BANK ACCOUNT!!!
bootrix 2 years ago 2
Scientology is such a patheic lie
BloodyHellDevil 2 years ago
Just sad to do such a thing...
QuantumBabe 3 years ago
Scientology is very Wierd!!
triumphelf 3 years ago 4
Keep away from these disusting SYCOPHANTS.
squilky1951 3 years ago 3
So their technique is to run away from internal problems and bottling them up instead of facing them accepting them and moving on. Oye Vey and 50,000 people still buy into this.
Stop $cientology
Liberate Your Mind
Nagneto 3 years ago
"look at the sky , look at the grass , look at the window , look at my boobies ....are you in???? sci-fi fucked up in the head maniacs ...EXPECT US
unnoblegnome 3 years ago
I wonder if the girl @ 3:05 was sent by and already is a scientologist :/
CloudStrife1038 3 years ago
disgusting...........Way to go scientology you have done it again....
anon7724 3 years ago
We all need to have a new protest at Virgina Tech to warn them of $cientology
Nagneto 3 years ago
Next time I walk down a street, I'll make sure I'm more aware of those red cars. Maybe some blue cars too.
Armic 3 years ago
Always amusing to see Scientology spokesmodel Sylvia Stanard speaking gibberish to try to get people to smile and nod.
schuminweb 3 years ago
Once the elections are over, we have another enemy to fight: Scientology
ldude893 3 years ago 4
Shame on VT for not doing their homework on how this dangerous and criminal group operates. If my child were attending VT I would be very concerned that groups like that are allowed on campus to recruit people at there weakest moments. Scientology has hundreds of front groups they use to obtain there objective of "Clearing the Planet" of anybody and everybody who does not follow the $cientology way.
LFraudHubbard 3 years ago
Okay, sorry if I missed this in earlier comments, but at 2:12 there is a Scientologist giving someone a hypodermic injection??
Whats that about??
Anonanonanonymous 3 years ago
I can't believe they would go that far!!! Just like what they did to my friend to take him out of college too. My friend didn't go to VA Tech, but they snatched my buddy up too.
DeadEnd39 3 years ago
"Nerve assist" my butt! It's called a MASSAGE. Can't believe my friend got sucked into this cult...
DeadEnd39 3 years ago 5
I feel for you man. thats terrible. Fight the good fight and someday they will see their mistake.
Nagneto 3 years ago
Shouldn't people deal with their internal problems as opposed to reconnecting to the external world via ignoring them?
Oh well, agree to disagree, I guess. But it seems like that strategy will only serve to worsen the any problems, in the long run.
EdWont 3 years ago
$cientology is fucked up to the core. Why would anyone trust a "Religion" that hides its beliefs and intentions?
willbond 3 years ago 3
Scientology is a fucken scam
Fuck Scientology and that stupid ego bitch Tom Cruise.
AustinJohnson07 3 years ago 4
Scientology has never and will never do
anything for the betterment of the human
race. They have contributed NOTHING.
They`re VULTURES come to pick off the bones.
riply43 3 years ago 3
Question for WBM: isn't there some kind of law that prevents cults and/or religeous groups from exploiting situations such as VTech and 9/11?
I mean, that's when people are really vulnerable, shouldn't citizens be properly shielded or protected?
SirSmokeal0t 3 years ago 2
No law that I'm aware of.
XENUTV 3 years ago
Okay, i was just wondering. I could swear there was something to protect the 'emotionally vulnerable' from certain influences. I'm gonna look into this.
And sorry for misspelling 'religious' there. Even though English isn't my native language it still made me look like an ass. Even more so when talking to a master journalist ;)
Excusez moi.
SirSmokeal0t 3 years ago
by attempting to restrict their speech, you'd be no better than they are. they will suffer the consequences of their choice without any interference from the law
chiefblackhawk 3 years ago
I think the only thing that prevents them is a sense of morality. The trouble is the cult has overridden this by telling them they are helping people by trying to sell them dianetics and get them to take course; although they believe they are providing assists and exposing them to the tech so they might start on the bridge to total freedom. They think they are doing the right thing, only those outside the cult and maybe those at the top of the cult can see how inappropriate it is.
thewordsofelron 3 years ago 3
When people think they're saving the world, they'll throw all decency and morality out of the window.
encliticcopula 3 years ago
they were just trying to make themselves look good so more people will join (ie pay)
JasonDaPsycho 3 years ago
This is crazy scientology must be stopped.
shaunrocks12 3 years ago
CULT CULT CULT! this is what cults do, they try to get people to join when they are vulnerable, so that's why they go to places where people just experienced a tragedy or lost of loved ones. it's easier to brainwash people when they are weak. it's sick that these people are doing this.
rania3830 3 years ago 6
whats even worse is theyre marketing this crap to open minded college students. very easy prey.
jakeguitarist84 3 years ago 4
Desperate people do desperate things.
googoo3 3 years ago
This is a dangerous cult. Scientology coopted me when I was in High Schol, it costed my parents years to get me out, and it really gets me mad to see them trying to do it all over again. It is like seeing the nazi party come over their ashes and rise once again making rallies and their deception stuff. It gets on my nerves.
elarrebat 3 years ago 3
@elarrebat at 16 i had a similiar experience, but i had a vigilant father that put a stop to it very quickly. i alm now 64 and thank god my dad was there at that time.
TheBobbsey 4 weeks ago
They did the same shit in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. It's despicable, but you have to understand these people are in a predatory cult that has brainwashed them into believing that Hubbard's gobbledygook is mankind's only hope of salvation from certain doom. They really believe that the only way to help anyone is to recruit them into Scientology.
nickca420 4 years ago 15
You are 100% right. I was one of them. They coopted me when I was in High Schol, and it really gets me mad to see them trying to do it all over again. It is like seeing the nazi party come over their ashes and rise once again making rallies and their deception stuff. It gets on my nerves.
elarrebat 3 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
All religions are corrupt. Scientology is corrupt. Christianity and islam are corrupt.
lancetop 4 years ago
go fuck yourself
LuciusSuperbus 2 years ago
I just wanna know how in Xenu's name they can convince A-list celebs to accept this baloney. Don't these people do their homework?
DimensionO 4 years ago
i think they get into it cos its something new, get audited and then scientology has info to bribe them with,
olihill101 4 years ago
they are people fuckhead, just becouse they are actors doesnt mean they are smart... they are fakers/actors... getit,they say what they read
pizzledizzlewizzle 3 years ago
Disgraceful,they are an extremely dangerous organisation but thankfully the majority of us are aware of this.
BoratHIGHFIVE11 4 years ago 2
It is inappropriate. It's as inappropriate as sending pastors into high schools when there's a tragedy there, or passing out Jesus pamphlets at soup kitchens. That's what religions and cults do. They take advantage of people in their weak moments, and it's f'ing evil. But it's not surprising or newsworthy.
Anhelain 4 years ago
You state in the same paragraph that it is evil yet not newsworthy. In my books if something is evil, it is most certainly newsworthy.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
If people reported it on the news every time religions and cults did some minor evil thing like this, it's all we'd ever hear about. It's not newsworthy because it's not surprising and not unique or interesting. My point is, they've singled out Scientology here, but if Christians sent a pastor into a high school after a fatal car accident, CNN would not report on it. What's special here? What makes it newsworthy?
Anhelain 4 years ago
Probably because Christianity is recognised as a religion world wide, yet Scientology is only recognised in about half the worlds countries. In many it is seen as an unethical business and in many it is also seen as a cult created by a con man. I would rather see stories on the news about Scientology that the latest celebrity devorce or drug addicted musician.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
But Christianity and Scientology are both officially religions (although I personally contend there is no difference between a cult and a religion, and Scientology and Christianity represent equally ridiculous beliefs.) If Christians have a right to move in on people in distress, then so have Scientologists, and it's quite unfair of CNN or anyone else to complain or even comment.
Anhelain 4 years ago
To put it simply, I think this news story is an example of CNN having a double standard. It's not surprising, since CNN has a pretty heavy Christian slant, but it still disappoints me. You'll have to forgive me for that; I can't help but keep hope alive that human beings will behave like rational, decent conscious beings once in a while.
Anhelain 4 years ago
It is newsworthy. You stated "It's not newsworthy because it's not surprising and not unique or interesting." Well that would be your opinion, I find it interesting. "Surprising and unique" have nothing to do with news, if it did, we wouldn't hear about the war in Iraq, nothing of murders or for that matter the news would go for about 5 minutes as there is very little happening that is unique these days and I believe people are very rarely surprised by news unless something sensational happens.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
If news is all about telling us stuff we already know, then why aren't they reporting about Christians taking advantage of people in weak moments, and why don't they call it olds instead of news?
Anhelain 4 years ago
I get where you are coming from. I don't agree with double standards either, but this will always happen, it is the nature of the beast. They may be telling you and me something we already know but that does not mean everyone knows about it. I guess we can't assume that everyone is as up to date as us. I get more pissed off with seeing Linsay Lohan and Britney Spears on every news break more than a rehashed news article. "olds instead of news" love it!!
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I have to credit author Terry Pratchett for the 'olds' vs. 'news' thing. He mentioned it in the Discworld novel "The Truth"- a wonderful satire re: journalism.
Anhelain 4 years ago
I've seen his books in the book store, would you recommend them?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Absolutely. He's my favourite author. The Discworld series is technically fantasy, but more than anything they're insightful and cutting satire. Everything he writes is an allusion to something, and I learn a lot from reading his books and looking up the things he brings up. There's an interesting article about him on Wikipedia.
Anhelain 4 years ago
He's obviously very clever if he came up with "olds" instead of "news".
What sort of drugs do you morally ambiguous heathens use? CNN is in no way pro-Christian. Those leftists atheists do more church bashing than anyone.
ramslgordon 4 years ago
He's a heck of a lot cleverer than people like you, sweetie, and he has Alzheimer's now.
I use the kind of drugs that were developed by science and have saved billions of lives. What do you use? Prayer? (LOL, so effective)
Anhelain 4 years ago
Way to make fun of and belittle Alzheimer patients. You are all class. Obviously bneing an atheist taught you well.
I've never heard of a person dying from a prayer overdose. Religious people use medicine, dimwit. Are you sure he's the only one losing his mind?
ramslgordon 4 years ago
Hi Rams, I hope you aren't calling me a "morally ambiguous heathen".
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
That was directed at the anti-religious Anhelain. I don't know if you are religious or not, just that you don't like Sci.
ramslgordon 4 years ago
You're right. I shouldn't compare Terry Pratchett to you; no matter what happens to the man's brain, it's unfair to do that to him.
Religious people who rely on science in the form of modern medicine are hypocrites. You pick and choose which *universal* laws to apply to what. Prayer is proven over and over again to have no effect whatsoever other than a meditation-like effect, but you still use it as if it can change the world. Who's the dimwit?
Anhelain 4 years ago
You accuse atheists of being morally ambiguous, but we're not the ones who have, over and over again in history, decided that a magic man in the sky told us to kill entire populations in his name.
Anhelain 4 years ago
Nope, but some atheists used the excuse that others believed in the magic man in the sky as a reason to kill the shit out of them. Mao Tse Tung wasn't a morally ambigous atheist, he was a downright immoral one.
BrotherBabylon 4 years ago 3
I appreciate and thank you for your concerns. I'm happy to know we were able to conduct ourselves as gentlemen and with decency. Good luck to you, your family, and best wishes.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Well, that's where we differ, and I really wish there could be some sort of resolution. But, seeing how we have two very different views on the subject as a whole, I really doubt any arguments or debates that are created are going to come to any real agreement. I've put your views up for consideration, but, I'm sorry, they just aren't real to me. No offense.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
No offence taken. I respect your opinion and mostly the way you have handled yourself in this conversation, it has been a pleasure. If you do ever want to discuss the topic of Scientology with a "nonperson" (haha) again, I would be happy to accommodate. Do keep an open mind to what I have written and always remember that you don't need the CoS to follow the writings of Hubbard. They are not using the money as it should be and you deserve better. Cheers.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Wow that was surreal! i read through your debate with Happy here and i have to say it was the youtubue equivalent of an old timey pistol duel. you know with the whole bit about walking ten paces and all... a sublime joust of passive aggression in the land of over-the-top insults. In the end i got to give the win to Happy though. Why? Because what does it matter who REALLY wrote whatever nonsense he believes in? Ultimately the author is just another word on the book cover. Ignorance is bliss!
pwg357 4 years ago
You're free to believe whatever you want, and that's the key word: free.
In Scientology, you're not free. If you don't believe me, go ask Lisa McPherson.
SirSmokeal0t 3 years ago 2
Well i tried to but it turns out that the bitch is dead! Hahaha. Yeah ok bad joke.
Anyway the only protection against indoctrination (aka brainwashing) is to understand how the process works. Repeated message over and over and over until the mind breaks.
No one is safe. No mind is "too strong" to resist indefinetly.
However armed with this knowdledge a person can recognize when they are in a situtation in which a person(s) is attempting to brainwash them and escape. Use force if neccessary.
pwg357 3 years ago
Realistically, it's my experience, and it's true for me. Really, it's perfectly fine that you're critical of it. I find no fault with your ability to think critically, as I won't deny the right of anyone to do so. But through my experience, it's really never lead me in a wrong direction. I give it my full support.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
That is fine and of course I would encourage anyone to continue doing something they find is good for them (as long as it doesn't harm others). My issue isn't with what you personally do with the new or old texts, it's with the unethical way by which Hubbard and the CoS conduct/ed themselves. Then once you see the evidence of the bad deeds commited by the organization during and after Ron's reign it is hard to take anything said by the CoS at face value.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Well whatever man, believe what you wanna believe. I could be wrong, you could be right. I could be right, you could be wrong. You've got no trust for Scientology, Ron, or Miscavige? OK, that's you, it's not me. It's changed my life, and I trust the books are 100% Ron. I don't really give a shit if you think otherwise.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
It is your right to turn a blind eye.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
So what proof ya got that David Miscavige himself wrote the new books? Hmm?? Where's the documentation, where's the evidence??? How come when I read the old Scientology books they don't make sense, and when I read the new ones, they make complete sense? Hmm? There's new phenomena happening that never happened before...
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
The new books were written after Ron's death. Now unless he came back from wherever he went after he left his body, I find it very hard to believe that he wrote the words. DM re-wrote the books, one theory is that it was to gain more money from the remainder of the followers. Ultimately, all the words in the new books were not written or authorized by Ron and as such are alterations of the original text, something that was promised by the CoS to never happen, corruption of the text.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Well if that's what's true for you sir, then that's as true as it's gonna get. But for me, it's quite the opposite, because these books have helped me blow a lot of charge, and they've never offered that before. That's the great thing about the tech, things happen with the snap of a finger.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
But it's not Ron's work giving you your perceived wins, is it?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
The new books are 100% Ron's work.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
So sayeth David Miscavige. Ron never authorized the new versions, did he?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
"How come when I read the old Scientology books they don't make sense?". So, what you just admitted to is that Ron's actual words make no sense, only the rewritten (by someone else) books make sense. Think about that for a moment.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
It is YOUR interpretation and your belief that they were re-written by someone else, but you technically cannot at this time prove your argument with hard evidence and fact. The transcriptions of Ron's original works were altered, and they've stayed altered. They were restored, and I can tell the difference.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
So the original texts that were written, proof read and authorized by Ron were incorrect and the rewritten versions are correct? Help me out here, 50 years of people using Ron's original texts were wrong and the new texts produced after his death that were never authorized by Ron are correct. Did I get that right?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Happy seems unconcerned that Hubbard himself never caught any of these problems during the decades he wrote, printed, distributed and swore by the original directions. After all his KSW warnings about altering his tech, it turns out it needed wide-ranging wholesale alterations after all so people like Happy could finally get it.
That Hubbard was pretty sloppy. Thank God DM is so much more on the ball than the old man.
XENUTV 4 years ago
Very true Mark. I would of thought that this revelation would have brought out questions for Happy. Instead denial was the reaction. Perhaps he will revisit the thought at a later date.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I'm done with this conversation. Goodbye.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
"I'm done with this conversation. Goodbye." That is sad, I was hoping to hear the possitives of Scientology that you were speaking of. I guess not.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
You don't want to hear the positives of Scientology because you keep insisting that Scientology is wrong and that LRH was a con man. You keep contradicting yourself. And it's not "possitive", it's "positive" with one "s".
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Flunk. I stated that my investigations/study have shown that Ron was a con man and that the CoS is a corrupt organization. I of course would love to hear the information from you which shows that he wasn't and that the CoS is really doing what they say they are.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Yeah, you'd 'love' to hear it, or read it, but you wouldn't love to experience it. Coward.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Turning a little offensive aren't you. Perhaps you should take a little time to bring yourself back up the tone scale. I don't know why you are so enturbulated, I'm just sharing information with you and you are welcome to do the same. As for the coward remark, I don't believe I'm a coward. I don't put myself in harms way without a good reason. If that makes me a coward in your eyes, then so be it.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Eh, you're still a coward. :)
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Why the offensive nature all of a sudden? It doesn't paint you in a good light.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Would it be fair to say that you have nothing else of value for this conversation and that you are now going to resort to childish name calling. That is a shame, I was enjoying our chat and was hopefull of more from you.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Well, nothing's free in this world, and I'm not going to just pour out my wins on the table for you to inspect like a scientist. If you wanna know the positivity of Scientology, get involved with it, or read the new books and maybe they'll make more sense to ya. Good luck, and best wishes.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Do you mean the new books that David Miscavige wrote? "nothing's free in this world", don't you believe it.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
@HappyMelancholyDay oh a pedantic scientologist, so he put an extra "s" in the word positive. Big whoopdy dooo.
TheBobbsey 4 weeks ago
I find it impossible find any millispec of truth in:
"This is no ARC break, this is reality born from in depth investigation. I find it impossible to look past the fact that Ron was quite dispicable in life and that he was a notorious con man. He was no friend of mankind, he was in it for one person alone, himself."
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Of course you believe that Ron was here to help all people worth helping. But what he wrote on paper is contradicted by his actions in real life.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Yeah well, Dr. Martin Luther King was said to be a very dirty minded man, getting with prostitutes and drinking heavily. But the man still stood for good and still spoke for peace among all people. LRH was a man just like anyone else, I'm sure he did some wrong, but it outweighed the good and I can see it in Scientology.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
I don't believe that Martin Luther King was lining his own pockets with millions of dollars from "Church" donations. If you have information that shows otherwise, I am all ears.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Well neither did LRH, so I don't know wtf you're talking about lol.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
Of course you don't know what I'm talking about. That would have mean't that you would have looked into the critical information on Ron. His accountant and other high members that blew the CoS brought all this info out 20+ years ago. Why do you think Ron was in hiding? He had warrents for his arrest, he actually died a fugitive from the law.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
You put too much emphasis on little insignificant details and events that it leads you nowhere fast. I hope you get somewhere with your entire pool of facts and I hope your parade can manage to play a persuading tune, because until then, Scientology stays.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
I'm not trying to persuade you to do anything, I'm having a discussion with you. I was hoping you would have some new information about Scientology that I didn't already know. Instead you are getting all defensive and running away. I thought an intellectual conversation would be nice.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
OK, so you're ARC broken with it, then?
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
This is no ARC break, this is reality born from in depth investigation. I find it impossible to look past the fact that Ron was quite dispicable in life and that he was a notorious con man. He was no friend of mankind, he was in it for one person alone, himself.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I find it impossible to find any millispec of truth in that paragraph. I'm sorry, but...just...no, lol. That's completely false and never will be true because it completely contradicts every Scientology book ever written, and it completely contradicts the life changing results that I and many other Scientologists have obtained.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
"I find it impossible to find any millispec of truth in that paragraph." Which paragragh do you speak of?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Well hey man, that's cool. You're among the few who don't agree. If it's not for you, it's not for you. I'm not gonna sit here try to convince you, because quite frankly, it's a waste of my time.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
"You're among the few who don't agree." Actually that statement is incorrect. It is estimated that there are now more ex-Scientologists in the world than there are active members. Of course it isn't a waste of your time, you could give examples of possitive actions performed by the CoS and list some of your personal wins. You could be the first Scientologist on You Tube to show the possitive side.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
So you're pretty much ARC broken with Scientology. I understand. "It is estimated that there are now more ex-Scientologists in the world than active members", lmao. That's an alleged 'fact' from an ex-Scientologist with a doubt condition.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
You assume I'm an ex-Scientologist. More assumptions?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Okay, thanks for pointing out my mistake. You're not an ex-Scientologist. You're what...a Scientology antagonist? Scientology critic? You name it. Either way, whatever it is, it looks to me that you've got some big doubts that you aren't looking to resolve anytime soon.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
I'm a student. I look at all information available and draw educated conclusions. My doubts about Scientology can't be resolved by you calling me an antagonist. I have actually been supportive of you, is it not your goal to bring me up the tone scale? I have given you that oportunity by asking you to state the possitives of the Scientology and asking you for some of your wins. My mind is open, give me new information to tilt the scales back.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
If you really were a student, you'd be studying on source, and doing your best to come a full conceptual understanding of the subject. I never called you an Scn-Antagonist, I merely suggested it. It should be your own goal to bring yourself up the tone scale. And I need not tell the tales of my own wins, you can have them yourself.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
I have sipped from the poisoned well and found it to be contaminated. You are asking me to take great gulps now.
If you take away my obvious openness to critical information on Scientology, I am very high up the tone scale. My only issue on your tone scale would be my disbelief in Hubbard's motives, you could help with that. Couldn't you?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
What books have you read?
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
I read "Dianetics", "The Creation of Human Ability" and "Fundamentals of Thought" about 18 years ago. These were the originals not the abridged versions by DM.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Yeah, I had doubts after I read those too, lots of missing text and concepts, no wonder you don't understand Scientology! But I gotta tell ya, after I read the new Fundamentals of Thought, it made so much more sense man.
HappyMelancholyDay 4 years ago
"The new fundamentals of thought" Isn't L Ron's text it is a distortion. I read the literature written and approved by Hubbard, not the rewritten v