I have to say you are wrong. Know why? Simple. Atheism is a belief structure. Just because the structure is simple, does not make it any less of a belief system. Atheism purports that there are no gods. If you can't agree to that simple belief, you are not atheistic. The definition of religion is a structure of beliefs. Seriously, just because the beliefs are simple does not mean its not a religion. How is this stuff hard for you???
@hellfencer As atheism is not a belief, it certainly is not a belief structure. Atheism does not purport anything. If you cannot agree to that, you might yet be an atheist who just does not understand the word. Either way, a structure is more than 1 thing. Whether you believe there are no gods or you simply do not believe there are gods, it takes more than that to make a structure. How is this stuff hard for you???
Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god. I don't believe in a god not because I believe there is no god but because there hasn't been evidence to show such an existence. If such evidence shows itself then maybe I will reconsider. Until then I remain skeptical and no I don't believe I'm a god or that people shouldn't be allowed to worship who or what they want.
@madenew000, will jesus heal my athiesm? i think you hardcore christians are so into your religious bullshiiiiit, because your simply afraid to die. therefore you have to compensate your low self esteem with a "loving god", so you get a nice little reward when u do pass away. nobody but the dead knows what comes next. not your church, not your bible, not your pastor.
@madenew000 if you can prove that your Gob exists, I will convert. If you could even think once that would maybe equal a miracle, (I'm assuming you are a theist).
@MasterAtheistic No mere created human being can ever PROVE the Almighty God, but no human being can deny the EVIDENCES of His existence.
No, maybe you will NOT convert, even if the dead comes back from the dead and tell you!
A person whose eyes of understanding have not been opened yet, will never know what's in the light, no matter how much evidence has been shown him --- he just will not understand. So, it's the same with your remark!
@madenew000 Yep, just as I feared, another Bibble thumping moron who wants to ram their idiotic belief system down the throats of every passing stranger. Why don't you try and get it through your thick skull that even if Yahweh were the one true Gob, (you are an atheist as far as all other Gobs are concerned I presume?), I wouldn't want to worship the psychotic, nutty bastard. A person with Gob Goggles glued to their face will never see the light of logic and reason. Your bad luck I guess.
@MasterAtheistic it's your ignorance that yu cannot see that the most 'idiotic' thing n the world is atheism. when yu have understanding, then yu'll see
@madenew000 If you want us to believe in that Gob thingy, then show us some miracles, or evidence of miracles. Like Angie said in this video, most (if not all) proof for theism are stories. We don't take that as sufficient proof for anything, and certainly not for something as important as religion.
Why is atheism the most idiotic thing in the world? What understanding?
@colouredmirrorball yu call yoself 'atheist' and yet don't know what it means, nor anyone of yous can prove that claim to be true. Do you see now what i mean?
I was living in sin then one day I realised how empty, unsatisfying, unfulfilling and hopeless life is. I searched everywhere until I found ALL the answers in the Lord Jesus Christ. I found out almost all i heard/knew about Christ were totally wrong and deceiving! I was misled by others and even by myself! I cried out to Jesus, AND HE CAME AND SAVED ME.. I would love EVERYONE to find LIFE in Jesus too
@madenew000 I live with the thought that there is very probably no god and I do not think my life is empty, unsatisfying, unfulfilling or hopeless. If your life was empty before and now it isn't then good for you. I'm not here to convert you too, if religion can make you feel like life has a meaning (even though deep inside we both know that isn't true) I'm very glad you believe in something. Unfortunately I can't and honestly I don't regret it.
@madenew000 The problem with your interpretation of MY problem is that I AM NOT THE ONE who is ignorant. Like many atheists, I was raised a Chwistian and, through research and life experience, came to realise that organised religions are a load of bollocks. The fact that your so-called Jesus, (actually a Rabbi called Yeshua bar Joseph) would have abhorred being made a Gob and would never have claimed such an idiotic thing should at least make you think twice, (if you are capable of thought).
@madenew000 Well, no, you THINK that your revered Rabbi, Yeshua bar Joseph, (you do realise that the supposed founder of your church was an orthodox Jew who would have freaked out at all the claims made on his behalf AFTER HE WAS DEAD, don't you?), had a low opinion of the Pharisees but since your beloved gospels are a load of utter drivel, we have absolutely no way of knowing the true situation. I agree wholeheartedly with colouredmirrorball. My life is fine and just leave me alone, thanks.
@madenew000 NO-ONE DOES! (Well, maybe some mentally ill people and career criminals who want to go straight. The vast majority of his followers just seem to be retarded to some degree, sorry)
@madenew000 Ah-HAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry but I literally laughed out loud when I read your hilarious and ridiculous post. The most mentally challenged and mentally ill people that I have ever met have almost always been nutjob Chwistian fruit loops whom one would not want to be within a thousand miles of. The sanest people on the face of the planet are generally too intelligent, well grounded and totally NORMAL to believe in your fucking silly Gob, his fucked up Bibble & his Non Son Yeshua bar Joseph!
@madenew000 Sorry, but that is simply untrue. I have a great deal of insight & understanding of religion as I was brought up in a Chwistian household & my father is still very active in the church. Speaking from a position of knowledge & strength is always best, not something that Chwistians know much about. I met a new colleague today & was appalled to see him coming into a school wearing massive Chwistian badges, crosses and other Chwistian BLING, totally hideous & shocking to the other staff.
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the reason people love atheism is bc theyre desperate to feel free to be comfy about their own rules and it helps them believe theyre God; the original sin. its another drug to help numb the soul to the Divine Conscience theyre in conflict with. also alot of atheists are simply rebelling from their religious parents bc perhaps they were tyrannical with it toward them.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially(but not exclusively) when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually (but not necessarily) involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Both atheism and religion can be bad and both can be good. Many atheist send hate mail to theist and theists do the same.The world don't move to the beat of just one drum what might be right for you may be right some. You and many other atheist probably had bad experiences with religion and sought a way out and it is vice verse for many former atheists, so I realize you are simply sharing your views on atheism and why you choose it and that's ok.
@betterworld1 I think some things being more fun than others doesn't mean that the less fun things can't be any good. All I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with promiscuity of itself.
But yeah, I should have emphasised "of itself" I suppose. Cookie-eating causes all kinds of problems, but it's not immoral *of itself*. Maybe I should've gone into the bad things associated with promiscuity, like health risks and deception. But yeah, nothing inherently wrong with it as far as I can see - if you're taking the right precautions and not deceiving anyone, it's fine.
I don't personally have any interest in polygamy, by the way.
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@Okaruwazashi you must be blinded by your selfish desires. promiscuity supports the abortion mills. watch a video of what they do to babies and say theres nothing wrong with it. promiscuity also the main cause of children being born by parents who have no love for them; bad for society. whats do promiscuous sex addicts do when they catch std's? deceive or commit suicide or become celibate. which do you think the overwhelming majority do? i love sex more than anybody and i take it all out on...
@betterworld1 I agreed that promiscuity was risky - I said there was nothing wrong with it *of itself*.
Did you read my reply? I said I have no interest in polygamy, and made it clear that I hold my position because I cannot think of anything that is *inherently* wrong with promiscuity. The fact that a certain kind of behaviour comes with avoidable risks does not make that behaviour immoral. If you reply, please address my points rather than attacking me personally. I want to argue, not fight.
come on guys, believing in something and faith are not the same thing. i believe that batman arkham city is gonna be the game of the year and lots of people believe that as well, but that doesnt make us a religion. i also believe that the gasoline prices will continue to rise and lots of people believe that as well, but that doesnt make us a religion. believing in something isnt necessarily a faith.
Atheists read the noble Quran reveled on the prophet Mohammed the illiterate the # 1 of the 100 Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History by Michael Hart Mohammed tells scientific facts before modern science discovered, read Qur'an and modern science by Dr. Maurice bucaille Allah said, Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others, now with all these facts you still denies!
You are just cleverly excluding yourself from religion. If it is, then it is. If it isn't then you are right. However, you have no idea where anything came from and you prefer to say it is nothing. IF there is a God and Jesus was his human form then you are pretty much the animal you chose to be and will be destroyed like the animal you are. Good day.
@psychoticchik "Calling Atheism a religion is like calling Bald a hair color!"
True today. Bald once meant white hair/head. Thus the name of the bald eagle. The children who God had mauled by bears weren't saying "You no hair on top of your head!". They were saying "You white head!".
For ALL believers, whatever your religion or spiritual beliefs, u are all atheists of all other religions you do not follow. a christian is an athiest to the beliefs of islam a buddhist an atheist to the beliefs of christianity. To me your not a true atheist until you look at the evidence, not anecdotal accounts from people althou they may be 100% genuine in their beliefs that does not affect the reality of their claims. We see illusions , take a look at how we percieve magic tricks, they fool u
"When we die, we'll all find out." Do you not see your going to give away ur only life to an illusion that protects u from the fears of dieing, nothing stops enquiry better than an answer, and what works just as good is a wrong answer. Sure u settle on your belief , dont bother discovering the magnificence of our true reality, but i find it so sad youve accepted a god that allows such horror in the world. what got humanity to this stage? our developed intelligence and you have to sacrifice that
And yet the title of your account ("The Anti-Theist") practically announces that you are the specific type of atheist for whom it is a dedicated ideology, so what's the difference?
And really: "I can't imagine strapping a bomb to myself and blowing something up"? Gee, neither can I. I guess that means my religion isn't a religion. Seriously, that's really stupid.
In short, atheism is NOT a religion. But a subset of hard atheists approach it like one.
It's okay, I used to think I "knew" there was no God. I was angry for a long time (just as you are). Most Christians don't live to the standards of God, however, you open your eyes and stop being so proud that you and everyone else is wrong and God is right. btw, the gospels were probably written before 70 AD, and saying "i just don't believe n a God" does not justify a life of unrighteous nature. I'm not judging, but people arn't just naturally good. I have looked around, there arn't.
atheist dont have comands??? you just named many! no vatican no Hollydays, no praying no this no that etc???!!!!!
she is a blind fanatic of her dogma: Atheism.May be she is triying to get away from guilt and keep making drugs, be as selfish as she can be and many other things without guilt (atheism free pass)
Yes you can teach atheism....it is the religion about how religions are false. Therefore its doctrine is the discreditation of other religions. There also belief that atheism is correct in its assumptions. Belief in atheism as a religion. There is also a communion betweeb brothers and sisters who are atheists celebrating their beliefs.
You sir are discussing atheism in a blackhole because in the real world it is all I say and more.
@NaturalGroundation yes people do teach and discuss the exsitance of mermaids. btw no, you cant teach the non belief in something but you can discuss it. so by your definition....
people who talk about there belife or non belife in mermaid is an religion
people who discuss belifes in a black hole or a tv's is a religion
my point is.... just because you discuss a belife in something or non belife its not a religion
@NaturalGroundation if i TALK about or TEACH to people how much i dont like sports, how i BELIEVE its wrong to play them and try to convince others not to participate in sports either. does that make me religious? and everybody that hates playing sports too, are they part of my religion?
the only way that would be true is if michael jordan was a god, which btw, is more believable since most of us have seen proof of his existence and amazing powers.
@adrewk You make yourself God in believing in Atheism. Think about it if there is nothing greater than you in existence... then who is God to you? Man? I see... humanism is the beginning of the religion called atheism.
@NaturalGroundation if anything is worthy of the "god" title, its the sun. since the sun is actually the creator of all life on earth. by the way, jesus really is a metaphor for the sun (if you want ill send you some links to prove
but your right, i am god. once i die, my body will rott away, creating many tiny universes within. some of those, my become much like the universe we live in. will i have the power to answer prayers and damn thee? i doubt it, because i dont believe in magic...do you?
As much as we might not like it, I could accept it [having Atheism thought of as a religion]as a way of gaining at least some constitutional protection that we might not otherwise be allowed.
@txvoltaire what are you talking about? our founders crafted the constitution in such a way as for us to keep our rights. recall that are rights were given to us by God. the reason they put it as such was for the very reason that the concept of man could not pollute the suggestion. they infered the concept of God, for he would and could not take away our rights. only men can take our rights. you take the idea of god out of the constitution and we are done.
@aqueenowlbee whoops. ypou were not even talking about what i thought you were saying. sorry. but you did shine some light on an atheists value system, or principals i should say. you have none. and will sell out your only belief for a little bit of comfort. thank you.
Q: are the three choices listed below valid religious stances?:
MONOTHEISM - One God.
POLYTHEISM - Many Gods.
ATHEISM - No Gods.
There's other choices not listed, but the point is: Unless you're a child or a mental patient, you can't escape having a working theory on the tangible and the intangible. Atheism is just a self-serving default belief system on the intangible.
The reality, from my point of view, is Christians (As well as other religions) can all tell you we have our own proof and evidence. Just because an Atheist wants something specific, like, oh I don't know, a picture of god, or interview (end sarcasm), doesn't mean we don't have proof. Its just not proof that satisfies you. BUT, either way, who cares? When we die, we'll all find out. So seriously, I wish people would quit arguing.
@koga1211 Well it matters because what people believes influences how they behave. For example, my family believed in faith healing so I was born at home, never immunized & medically neglected my entire childhood. I care because incorrect beliefs have real-world consequences for living people.
Evidence that ANYTHING supernatural exists would be a good place to start. Why don't you start there?
@AngieAntiTheist Well for starters, you're asking for proof of something non-corporeal, something intangible. I don't know that Atheists will ever be able to except anything less. And believe it or not I do understand, despite my own beliefs I am an intellectual. As far as faith healing goes, thats extremism as far as I'm concerned, and no where in the bible does it say to do that. Its unfortunate what some people do, but people are people, that has nothing to do with God or Christianity.
@koga1211 Well, before I can believe in something, I have to have good reason to suppose it actually exists. I don't believe in magic, despite all the fun and scary books on the subject I've read. I don't believe in gods either, despite a similar interest in the topic. But the god (most) Christians believe in isn't entirely ethereal - he interacts w/the natural world (think Manna from heaven.) Where are the miracles, the signs and wonders spoken of in the Bible? As absent as Harry Potter's magic
@AngieAntiTheist Scientists have already said, and maybe this is theory not proven, that there are different dimensions, and that, in theory, its possible for something to exist on one plane, and still interact with another plane to some degree. Now I'm not saying this is the case, but there are many possibilities. I suppose my point is, for all the professed logic of Atheists, you guys tend to be about as sure of it as the scientists who once thought the sun revolved around the earth.
@koga1211 (ran out of space) Anyway, my point is, if someone wants to be Atheist, thats their choice, I'm not here to convince you, nor prove the existence of God to the world. I'm just saying, Atheists could stand to keep their minds a little more open.
@koga1211 I find it funny that you say "Atheists could stand to keep their minds a little more open" when all you have to do to convince them otherwise is to show proof of the existence of a god when you, yourself is terrified to even consider for a moment that your god may not exist.
@eatshitgoogle Actually, you're wrong. I've spent years thinking and researching that question. I'm not a blind faith believer. Terrified? Interesting opinion....do you know me? I don't even blink at the thought, I can't prove he exists, I believe he does, but have I questioned his existence? Uh, yeah? Most people do at some point or another, even if they are Christian. Even if they don't admit it.
@koga1211 Well, let's suppose that you're being honest, and I really don't think you are. The irony still exists. I, as an atheist, would change my stance on the matter if any evidence supporting your god were to appear. How isn't my mind open then? On the other hand, the religious has to willfully ignore every single evidence there is which contrasts with what the bible says. So?
@eatshitgoogle You don't have to believe me, but it is true. What evidence? You mean all theories that aren't proven but can be considered plausible? Big bang has been shot down various times......evolution exists but there is no actual proof yet that we evolved from chimps. As for proof on Christianities part, the problem I see is that anything that would be considered physical proof has been buried over time, and mostly in war torn zones. Its not so easy as typical science.
@eatshitgoogle (Ran out of space, again) The rest is a matter of things that are intangible. I'm not sure how you prove that. As for my own beliefs, its called faith. That doesn't mean I don't seek answers though, believe it or not you can TRUST in something, but still continue to seek answers with an open and honest mind. Its just not common, is all. As for the intangible, I don't think we have the tools in science (or the minds) to properly prove or disprove anything yet.
@koga1211 Well, I'm glad we agree on this much: Christians are christians because they choose to ignore real evidence (as you obviously do) and when it comes to the religious' evidence and proof, it's all so personal and subjective and... no evidence at all. Got ya! Bye!
I think you talk about religion so much because you've been indoctrinated w/ the fairy tale religion of secular humanism..On the basis of objectivity and fairness, why don't you check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 2011 issue of the New Republic. I
@AngieAntiTheist "For example, my family believed in faith healing so I was born at home, never immunized & medically neglected my entire childhood." White people are martyrs about everything.
@koga1211 well what am i supposed to believe then? Ur basing all of your ideas and morals off of a book that wasn't even written by a god it was written by people claiming to be under under his influence.
Ofcourse it's a religion. You believe in something, right? Why do you believe it? What do you use for reasons that you make this stand?
From listening to your religious background, it's too bad that you throw out the baby with the bathwater. You are flaunting your ignorance, you sound lika fool.
@habfan24 You got it wrong--atheists DON'T believe in something--namely any gods or goddesses. Since when is not believing in something a religion? Is NOT collecting coins a hobby? If you are truly going to hold that belief in anything is a religion, then when one considers the vast numbers of things people might believe in, (with or without evidence--you didn't specify)--then that means there must be billions of religions--which dilutes the word "religion" to meaninglessness.
Atheism is a Religion, because you believe, you have faith there is no God without proof. When you die, it is only then you see the truth.
Go back to the definition of faith. Faith is believing in something without proof. Religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Atheism is defined as the doctrine or belief that there is no God. Therefore Atheism is a religion.
@TheModelification By your logic, not believing in unicorns (let's call it Aunicornism) is a religion. You believe, you have faith there are no unicorns without proof.
But see, that's not how things work. It's GREAT to not believe in things which have no evidence. Believing in something as incredible as an all-powerful intervening god with ZERO evidence is not at all the same as NOT believing it. No matter how much you wish they were the same, they aren't.
@AngieAntiTheist James:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen
@AngieAntiTheist i rather believe in all those aspects of god than in nothing at all. even if god does not exist. is that irrational. and i think that people say it is your religion because atheists obsess about there lack of belief. their un belief becomes them.
he is going by the definition of faith. you belief there is no god. belief is a faith. there is no way of knowing if god exists or not. einstein believed in god. he thought the answer was hidden behind energy. that is one reason they made the particle accelarater. they said to see how it was before the big bang and to see dark matter. they also went so far as to say ghosts. and most these people would call themselves atheists.
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]
@gklr That sounds like blatant discrimination. Only cab drivers and waitresses, what about the rest of the people? Where are they supposed to share their age earned knowledge to the public? I better go investigate this horrible injustice to better my fellow man and.. oh, fuck it.. I'm tired and my sarcasm ability is running dry.
Yes, wiki can be wrong. It can also be right. To further understand the dialogue, scroll up and read ;)
Wiki is comical, especially with their definition of atheism.
1. a lack of something is never something
2. saying atheists lack belief in god is true, but not about what atheists are, it is true about what atheists do not have, are not. Nothing is what it isn't.
3. saying you lack belief in god is true or a belief? If true, prove it. If a belief, then you are were you started.
Wikis entry on atheism makes many errors that any 1st year student in logic could cripple.
@TheModelification NO!!!!!!! There are no tenets or code of morals to live by in atheism. That does not mean that atheists are sinners! There's something called integrity. You might want to check into it. Also if you claim that atheism is a religion then do you call theism a religion? No! The fact of the matter is christianity, islam, hinduism, and judaism are religions under the heading of theism. Atheism, the oppositional heading, does NOT contain any religions.
@TheModelification ha ha the complete lack of evidence for the existence of god disproves him existing, which would logically be proof for his non-existence. There is no leap of faith. I am at the point where i definitly ( i know i spelled that wrong) do not believe in what the bible says and i do not believe in the god of the bible. I do think there may be some evidence for some kind of afterlife, aka spirits, hauntings, but i mean who knows as far as that is concerned.
@TheModelification Are you really that stupid? Atheism is a lack of belief in any gods. Nothing religious about that.. We're all born atheists (no belief), some just are taught/convinced otherwise.
"Faith is believing in something without proof. " Yes, this is what you do. Atheism, on the other hand, is simply the lack of any belief in gods. It doesn't mean you "have faith there is no god". I also don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, but that doesn't require any faith either
@TheModelification You are wrong. When a Christian claims that there is a God, there is a burden of proof. When an Atheism says that they don't believe in that God, there is no burden of proof, they don't have to prove that something doesn't exist, that's illogical. You, as a Christian, are making the assertions, we are simply skeptical of the assertions, and given the lack of cogent evidence, we refuse to play your impossible game.
it is. you preach, you believe there is no god=belief. you have faith in yourself and man-made science=fait. you place the meaning of your existence with a higher being. It just happens to be yourself. Enjoy your religion, even if it is a paradoxical silly one.
Sure there's a creed. You're all Evolutionists. You all believe you have no sin. You believe there is no God. You all believe there is no hell. No heaven. These are all beliefs. You have Atheist Bibles now. You can say we should believe you don't believe what you believe are beliefs all you want, but they are beliefs. They are your dogma. They make up your religion. You all agree to them.
@MegaSage007 We all agree to what? The only common factor among atheists is a lack of belief in a god. I know anti-choice conservative gun-toting atheists. I know pro-choice liberal union-supporting atheists. I know nihilists and objectivists, and I think they're both silly.
The ONLY factor all atheists share is lack of belief in gods. That's IT.
If atheism is a religion: What the fuck are the tenants?
@MegaSage007 If "Atheism is what the Atheist (stet) individual believes it is" then how on EARTH can your next statement logically follow? I mean, I know it's just shit logic & unsupported claims, but how does it make sense in your head, I wonder.
@LadyLillyOfPennyPie I would very much like to see this proof. Also, many Christians believe that abortion (I assume that's what you're talking about) and many atheists (including myself) think that abortion is wrong in most cases. But I think the more pressing point is what does baby killing have to do with the video?
furthermore.....the traditions you mention (holy word...ten commandments....popes....word....messiah.....fallen.....sin....hell..etc) also not god...just a RELIGION! any kind of religion! full of traditions! NONE OF THEM ARE GOD. don't be so rebellious against truth. NOT religion.
@Krayorik2point0 I wasn't saying they're god, either. I'm saying that what most atheists criticize in theists is the WRONG perceptions that they have about god. But the perceptions, the people, the religion etc... those things aren't god. So what you call "patently false" "routine killing in the name of.." I do speak against those things, because it's completely ridiculous. religions contradict themselves that way.
@Krayorik2point0 all im saying is that judging theists as wrong, because of the false perceptions they have, is just as ridiculous as "killing in the name of..." because you are creating a hate environment where you think you are better than someone because you don't believe in gnomes.
@Y, not a belief, its a disbelief, believing in somthing does not = religion, because your belief can change, a religion is a set belief. Even then that dosnt make a single belief a religion. you could be going crazy and believe unicorns exhist, that dosnt mean unicorns is a religion. but religion is based on the foundation that you beleive in a set belief, a religion can not be based on a foundation of disbelief by the very defonition of religion. Atheists do beleive in things. just not gods.
@yeowlsing If everyone around you believed in something that you were sure is patently false, say, that invisible gnomes cause all of the processes in the universe to occur, would you speak out against it? And if people routinely killed other people in the name of slightly different colored gnomes, would you speak out against it? This is the situation that atheists find themselves in.
atheism...no ism? don't call it atheims, then. Don't justify it if you don't believe in anything. what's the need? you dont believe in anything! god is not any religion. it's not any kind notion. As much as you want to "not believe anything" you have to understand that what you are rejecting has NOTHING to do with religion at all. You are focusing on religion because it hurt you, bothered you, insulted you, etc...at some point. but that is not god. has nothing to do with it
but why would one without a religion or belief in God be offended by something that they believe to not be real? And why would they press these beliefs onto other people? Trying to confirm themselves there is no God? Maybe it's because they're angry with God, and refuse to believe in him? You would think that an athiest wouldn't care, since they do not have a belief. hm?
@HuskyDiaries If everyone around you believed in something that you were sure is patently false, say, that invisible gnomes cause all of the processes in the universe to occur, would you speak out against it? And if people routinely killed other people in the name of slightly different colored gnomes, would you speak out against it? This is the situation that atheists find themselves in.
Athiest claim that thiests are wrong, and that there is no god, that is placing a belief onto another group of people. It is a belief, and it is a belief that is placed onto others like any other belief. It may not be a religion, because it isn't organized like religions are, but it is a belief that lately has been put onto others, and the government. Many athiests are claiming to be "offended" by certain christian acts that are performed during school, government, ect.
@HuskyDiaries A solitary belief is not and cannot be a religion. (The belief IN a god is not a religion itself. Only when this belief is coupled with doctrinal beliefs does it become a religion.)
+ The fact that SOME atheists feel the need to outspeak their opinions does not make atheism a religion. Furthermore, there are theist that don't feel the need to embrace any religion.
I have to say you are wrong. Know why? Simple. Atheism is a belief structure. Just because the structure is simple, does not make it any less of a belief system. Atheism purports that there are no gods. If you can't agree to that simple belief, you are not atheistic. The definition of religion is a structure of beliefs. Seriously, just because the beliefs are simple does not mean its not a religion. How is this stuff hard for you???
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@hellfencer As atheism is not a belief, it certainly is not a belief structure. Atheism does not purport anything. If you cannot agree to that, you might yet be an atheist who just does not understand the word. Either way, a structure is more than 1 thing. Whether you believe there are no gods or you simply do not believe there are gods, it takes more than that to make a structure. How is this stuff hard for you???
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Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god. I don't believe in a god not because I believe there is no god but because there hasn't been evidence to show such an existence. If such evidence shows itself then maybe I will reconsider. Until then I remain skeptical and no I don't believe I'm a god or that people shouldn't be allowed to worship who or what they want.
newfful 2 days ago
@newfful You sir are not an Atheist like I. You are an Agnostic.
Goldtacto 1 day ago
I think they are thinking like it faith based. You have a faith that there is no God.
megawelderguy 1 week ago
Bill Maher put it best "Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position"
summaro1 1 week ago
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Atheism is legally a religion in the US as per:
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Kaufman v. McCaughtry
Document 04-1914; Aug 19,2005.
DesignSens 2 weeks ago
@madenew000, will jesus heal my athiesm? i think you hardcore christians are so into your religious bullshiiiiit, because your simply afraid to die. therefore you have to compensate your low self esteem with a "loving god", so you get a nice little reward when u do pass away. nobody but the dead knows what comes next. not your church, not your bible, not your pastor.
blackkittypurr 2 weeks ago
Haha holy hand grenades. I see what you did there. I love Montey Python!
Crazycat7121 1 month ago
Atheism is about as much religion as not golfing is a hobby, or not smoking is an addiction
MinecrafterX3 1 month ago
if you can't prove that God does not exist then you should think twice!
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 if you can prove that your Gob exists, I will convert. If you could even think once that would maybe equal a miracle, (I'm assuming you are a theist).
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic No mere created human being can ever PROVE the Almighty God, but no human being can deny the EVIDENCES of His existence.
No, maybe you will NOT convert, even if the dead comes back from the dead and tell you!
A person whose eyes of understanding have not been opened yet, will never know what's in the light, no matter how much evidence has been shown him --- he just will not understand. So, it's the same with your remark!
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 Yep, just as I feared, another Bibble thumping moron who wants to ram their idiotic belief system down the throats of every passing stranger. Why don't you try and get it through your thick skull that even if Yahweh were the one true Gob, (you are an atheist as far as all other Gobs are concerned I presume?), I wouldn't want to worship the psychotic, nutty bastard. A person with Gob Goggles glued to their face will never see the light of logic and reason. Your bad luck I guess.
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic it's your ignorance that yu cannot see that the most 'idiotic' thing n the world is atheism. when yu have understanding, then yu'll see
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 If you want us to believe in that Gob thingy, then show us some miracles, or evidence of miracles. Like Angie said in this video, most (if not all) proof for theism are stories. We don't take that as sufficient proof for anything, and certainly not for something as important as religion.
Why is atheism the most idiotic thing in the world? What understanding?
colouredmirrorball 1 month ago
@colouredmirrorball yu call yoself 'atheist' and yet don't know what it means, nor anyone of yous can prove that claim to be true. Do you see now what i mean?
madenew000 1 month ago
@colouredmirrorball i ain't here to convert you nor judge you! No NO No!
I was living in sin then one day I realised how empty, unsatisfying, unfulfilling and hopeless life is. I searched everywhere until I found ALL the answers in the Lord Jesus Christ. I found out almost all i heard/knew about Christ were totally wrong and deceiving! I was misled by others and even by myself! I cried out to Jesus, AND HE CAME AND SAVED ME.. I would love EVERYONE to find LIFE in Jesus too
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 I live with the thought that there is very probably no god and I do not think my life is empty, unsatisfying, unfulfilling or hopeless. If your life was empty before and now it isn't then good for you. I'm not here to convert you too, if religion can make you feel like life has a meaning (even though deep inside we both know that isn't true) I'm very glad you believe in something. Unfortunately I can't and honestly I don't regret it.
colouredmirrorball 1 month ago
@colouredmirrorball ah well...carry on...what a pity!
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 The problem with your interpretation of MY problem is that I AM NOT THE ONE who is ignorant. Like many atheists, I was raised a Chwistian and, through research and life experience, came to realise that organised religions are a load of bollocks. The fact that your so-called Jesus, (actually a Rabbi called Yeshua bar Joseph) would have abhorred being made a Gob and would never have claimed such an idiotic thing should at least make you think twice, (if you are capable of thought).
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic you sound like a pharisee and Jesus has made it very clear where they belong...anyways, thanks for popping in...
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 Well, no, you THINK that your revered Rabbi, Yeshua bar Joseph, (you do realise that the supposed founder of your church was an orthodox Jew who would have freaked out at all the claims made on his behalf AFTER HE WAS DEAD, don't you?), had a low opinion of the Pharisees but since your beloved gospels are a load of utter drivel, we have absolutely no way of knowing the true situation. I agree wholeheartedly with colouredmirrorball. My life is fine and just leave me alone, thanks.
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic ah, well...you don't need Jesus, so ...
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 NO-ONE DOES! (Well, maybe some mentally ill people and career criminals who want to go straight. The vast majority of his followers just seem to be retarded to some degree, sorry)
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic Atheism is HONESTLY a spiritual and a mental disease! Really!!! which one do you want healed first?
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 Ah-HAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry but I literally laughed out loud when I read your hilarious and ridiculous post. The most mentally challenged and mentally ill people that I have ever met have almost always been nutjob Chwistian fruit loops whom one would not want to be within a thousand miles of. The sanest people on the face of the planet are generally too intelligent, well grounded and totally NORMAL to believe in your fucking silly Gob, his fucked up Bibble & his Non Son Yeshua bar Joseph!
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic it is very simple: OU DON'T HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING! simple, isn't it!
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 Sorry, but that is simply untrue. I have a great deal of insight & understanding of religion as I was brought up in a Chwistian household & my father is still very active in the church. Speaking from a position of knowledge & strength is always best, not something that Chwistians know much about. I met a new colleague today & was appalled to see him coming into a school wearing massive Chwistian badges, crosses and other Chwistian BLING, totally hideous & shocking to the other staff.
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
@MasterAtheistic ok then...we'll talk later
madenew000 3 weeks ago
@madenew000 PS. What evidence?
MasterAtheistic 1 month ago
I agree that it's not a religion but I do think it's a deeply held spiritual belief.
BuriedErect 1 month ago
It's a belief, not a religion. Debate solved.
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Actually, it's a disbelief to be more precise lol.
elvebrothergenju 1 month ago
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the reason people love atheism is bc theyre desperate to feel free to be comfy about their own rules and it helps them believe theyre God; the original sin. its another drug to help numb the soul to the Divine Conscience theyre in conflict with. also alot of atheists are simply rebelling from their religious parents bc perhaps they were tyrannical with it toward them.
betterworld1 2 months ago
@betterworld1 No atheist believes they are god, fool.
Strangerinasland 2 months ago 13
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@Strangerinasland come on, atheists even believe they created themselves through evolution.
betterworld1 2 months ago
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Every atheist must believe they are a god. Since you would have to know everything to answers the question if there really is a "god" or God.
pebi86 1 month ago
@pebi86 Omniscience alone does not make anyone a god.
Strangerinasland 1 month ago 3
@Strangerinasland Naturally. If atheists believed themselves to be gods then they would believe that they themselves do not exist.
MisterTutor2010 1 week ago
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially(but not exclusively) when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually (but not necessarily) involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
ihearttubing 2 months ago
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Atheism the religion of fools.
thechessstick 2 months ago
please educate yourself here ---> watch?v=NGxbbFDzVyY
gerinja 2 months ago
YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER???!!!! BLASPHEMY!!!!! I ENCOURAGE ALL PASTAFARIANS TO BOYCOTT ANGIE THE ANTI-THEIST!!!!! ;-)
txfreethinker 3 months ago
You said it sweety, Atheism believes In nothing and the person has to have a truth to keep you going in life. Luv ur eyes
BeYeaY 3 months ago
@BeYeaY Theists believe in childish yet cruel foolish fantasy & sadly, many people need fantasy & cruelty to keep them going in life.
Strangerinasland 1 month ago 2
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling Islam to be a religion of peace ;)
U5011453 3 months ago
Both atheism and religion can be bad and both can be good. Many atheist send hate mail to theist and theists do the same.The world don't move to the beat of just one drum what might be right for you may be right some. You and many other atheist probably had bad experiences with religion and sought a way out and it is vice verse for many former atheists, so I realize you are simply sharing your views on atheism and why you choose it and that's ok.
JJJJJJ2079 3 months ago
@JJJJJJ2079 Wow. just.....wow.
dkthg 3 months ago
@JJJJJJ2079 "Both atheism and religion can be bad and both can be good"
Both virginity and promiscuity can be bad and both can be good.
Strangerinasland 2 months ago 3
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@Strangerinasland what good can promiscuity be?
betterworld1 2 months ago
@betterworld1 Fun.
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago
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@Okaruwazashi i have more fun in a monogamous marriage for the last couple of decades than any promiscuous type.
betterworld1 2 months ago
@betterworld1 I think some things being more fun than others doesn't mean that the less fun things can't be any good. All I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with promiscuity of itself.
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago
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@Okaruwazashi promiscuity causes all kinds of problems; all kinds.
betterworld1 2 months ago
@betterworld1 Like global warming? Just kidding.
But yeah, I should have emphasised "of itself" I suppose. Cookie-eating causes all kinds of problems, but it's not immoral *of itself*. Maybe I should've gone into the bad things associated with promiscuity, like health risks and deception. But yeah, nothing inherently wrong with it as far as I can see - if you're taking the right precautions and not deceiving anyone, it's fine.
I don't personally have any interest in polygamy, by the way.
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago 9
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@Okaruwazashi you must be blinded by your selfish desires. promiscuity supports the abortion mills. watch a video of what they do to babies and say theres nothing wrong with it. promiscuity also the main cause of children being born by parents who have no love for them; bad for society. whats do promiscuous sex addicts do when they catch std's? deceive or commit suicide or become celibate. which do you think the overwhelming majority do? i love sex more than anybody and i take it all out on...
betterworld1 2 months ago
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@Okaruwazashi ...one woman in a married relationship; thank God.
betterworld1 2 months ago
@betterworld1 I agreed that promiscuity was risky - I said there was nothing wrong with it *of itself*.
Did you read my reply? I said I have no interest in polygamy, and made it clear that I hold my position because I cannot think of anything that is *inherently* wrong with promiscuity. The fact that a certain kind of behaviour comes with avoidable risks does not make that behaviour immoral. If you reply, please address my points rather than attacking me personally. I want to argue, not fight.
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago 11
Then stop behaving like a religion! XD
theawesomebeliever 3 months ago
Wait, that was a great point: no atheist terrorist training camps! Let's start one!
AlexBradleyPopovich 3 months ago
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@AlexBradleyPopovich "Wait, that was a great point: no atheist terrorist training camps! Let's start one!"
What about recruitment programs. We could all donate to give a new toaster or blender to each person who recruits a new atheist.
Strangerinasland 2 months ago 28
NONSENSE! there are totally sock stealing gnomes in dryers.
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youneekk 4 months ago
come on guys, believing in something and faith are not the same thing. i believe that batman arkham city is gonna be the game of the year and lots of people believe that as well, but that doesnt make us a religion. i also believe that the gasoline prices will continue to rise and lots of people believe that as well, but that doesnt make us a religion. believing in something isnt necessarily a faith.
AliChamberlane 4 months ago
you forgot "holy shit"
DUCKY3654 5 months ago
Atheists read the noble Quran reveled on the prophet Mohammed the illiterate the # 1 of the 100 Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History by Michael Hart Mohammed tells scientific facts before modern science discovered, read Qur'an and modern science by Dr. Maurice bucaille Allah said, Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others, now with all these facts you still denies!
mazzroa 5 months ago
Two words; Holy Shit.
DeluxeSux 5 months ago
@martiandog89 Tunc
shandcunt 5 months ago
You are just cleverly excluding yourself from religion. If it is, then it is. If it isn't then you are right. However, you have no idea where anything came from and you prefer to say it is nothing. IF there is a God and Jesus was his human form then you are pretty much the animal you chose to be and will be destroyed like the animal you are. Good day.
martiandog89 5 months ago
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling Bald a hair color!
psychoticchik 5 months ago 2
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@psychoticchik "Calling Atheism a religion is like calling Bald a hair color!"
True today. Bald once meant white hair/head. Thus the name of the bald eagle. The children who God had mauled by bears weren't saying "You no hair on top of your head!". They were saying "You white head!".
Strangerinasland 2 months ago 8
Atheism is the most trollable religious faith.
HardforJesus 5 months ago
For ALL believers, whatever your religion or spiritual beliefs, u are all atheists of all other religions you do not follow. a christian is an athiest to the beliefs of islam a buddhist an atheist to the beliefs of christianity. To me your not a true atheist until you look at the evidence, not anecdotal accounts from people althou they may be 100% genuine in their beliefs that does not affect the reality of their claims. We see illusions , take a look at how we percieve magic tricks, they fool u
irtehpwn09 5 months ago
"When we die, we'll all find out." Do you not see your going to give away ur only life to an illusion that protects u from the fears of dieing, nothing stops enquiry better than an answer, and what works just as good is a wrong answer. Sure u settle on your belief , dont bother discovering the magnificence of our true reality, but i find it so sad youve accepted a god that allows such horror in the world. what got humanity to this stage? our developed intelligence and you have to sacrifice that
irtehpwn09 5 months ago
So many idiotic comments, so little time
shandcunt 5 months ago
cunt
martiandog89 5 months ago
And yet the title of your account ("The Anti-Theist") practically announces that you are the specific type of atheist for whom it is a dedicated ideology, so what's the difference?
And really: "I can't imagine strapping a bomb to myself and blowing something up"? Gee, neither can I. I guess that means my religion isn't a religion. Seriously, that's really stupid.
In short, atheism is NOT a religion. But a subset of hard atheists approach it like one.
cfortunato58 6 months ago
It's okay, I used to think I "knew" there was no God. I was angry for a long time (just as you are). Most Christians don't live to the standards of God, however, you open your eyes and stop being so proud that you and everyone else is wrong and God is right. btw, the gospels were probably written before 70 AD, and saying "i just don't believe n a God" does not justify a life of unrighteous nature. I'm not judging, but people arn't just naturally good. I have looked around, there arn't.
martiandog89 6 months ago
To kill unborn child and be proud of this is normal already?
kz888888 6 months ago
atheist dont have comands??? you just named many! no vatican no Hollydays, no praying no this no that etc???!!!!!
she is a blind fanatic of her dogma: Atheism.May be she is triying to get away from guilt and keep making drugs, be as selfish as she can be and many other things without guilt (atheism free pass)
PQUINTA6 6 months ago
@mrfwest By definition atheism is a religion.
Yes you can teach atheism....it is the religion about how religions are false. Therefore its doctrine is the discreditation of other religions. There also belief that atheism is correct in its assumptions. Belief in atheism as a religion. There is also a communion betweeb brothers and sisters who are atheists celebrating their beliefs.
You sir are discussing atheism in a blackhole because in the real world it is all I say and more.
NaturalGroundation 6 months ago
Religion-
Details of belief as taught or discussed
Therefore your discussing your lack of belief is in itself a belief which makes atheism a "religion"
Have a good day!
NaturalGroundation 6 months ago
@NaturalGroundation do you belife in mermaids?.,.... yes or no is irrealivent by your definition mermaidism is an religion
mrfwest 6 months ago
@mrfwest Your analogy fails... "taught or discussed"... what are you teaching? what are we discussing?
The absence of religion is a religion... atheist just do not want to be called what they are..... hypocrites.
NaturalGroundation 6 months ago
@NaturalGroundation yes people do teach and discuss the exsitance of mermaids. btw no, you cant teach the non belief in something but you can discuss it. so by your definition....
people who talk about there belife or non belife in mermaid is an religion
people who discuss belifes in a black hole or a tv's is a religion
my point is.... just because you discuss a belife in something or non belife its not a religion
mrfwest 6 months ago
@NaturalGroundation if i TALK about or TEACH to people how much i dont like sports, how i BELIEVE its wrong to play them and try to convince others not to participate in sports either. does that make me religious? and everybody that hates playing sports too, are they part of my religion?
the only way that would be true is if michael jordan was a god, which btw, is more believable since most of us have seen proof of his existence and amazing powers.
what has your god done lately?
adrewk 5 months ago
@adrewk You make yourself God in believing in Atheism. Think about it if there is nothing greater than you in existence... then who is God to you? Man? I see... humanism is the beginning of the religion called atheism.
NaturalGroundation 5 months ago
@NaturalGroundation if anything is worthy of the "god" title, its the sun. since the sun is actually the creator of all life on earth. by the way, jesus really is a metaphor for the sun (if you want ill send you some links to prove
but your right, i am god. once i die, my body will rott away, creating many tiny universes within. some of those, my become much like the universe we live in. will i have the power to answer prayers and damn thee? i doubt it, because i dont believe in magic...do you?
adrewk 5 months ago
An atheist is somebody who doesn't believe in a god or a religion. How can it possibly be a religion for suns sake.
heathey2 6 months ago
As much as we might not like it, I could accept it [having Atheism thought of as a religion]as a way of gaining at least some constitutional protection that we might not otherwise be allowed.
txvoltaire 6 months ago
@txvoltaire what are you talking about? our founders crafted the constitution in such a way as for us to keep our rights. recall that are rights were given to us by God. the reason they put it as such was for the very reason that the concept of man could not pollute the suggestion. they infered the concept of God, for he would and could not take away our rights. only men can take our rights. you take the idea of god out of the constitution and we are done.
aqueenowlbee 6 months ago
@aqueenowlbee whoops. ypou were not even talking about what i thought you were saying. sorry. but you did shine some light on an atheists value system, or principals i should say. you have none. and will sell out your only belief for a little bit of comfort. thank you.
aqueenowlbee 6 months ago
Listed below are three valid ideologies.
MONARCHY - One Ruler.
DEMOCRACY - Many Rulers.
ANARCHY - No Rulers.
Q: are the three choices listed below valid religious stances?:
MONOTHEISM - One God.
POLYTHEISM - Many Gods.
ATHEISM - No Gods.
There's other choices not listed, but the point is: Unless you're a child or a mental patient, you can't escape having a working theory on the tangible and the intangible. Atheism is just a self-serving default belief system on the intangible.
JustinSepheren 7 months ago
aTHEISM. The THEISM part already says enough. Atheism is a religion, just like Theism. Atheist believe in the Big Bang and Evolution for example.
MaIcoImZieI 7 months ago
Intelligent and honest.
mmissinglink 7 months ago
Atheism rejects ideas that are not testable. If you can't test it or observe it or provide a shred of evidence, then why believe?
Rattapax 7 months ago
-What sport do you play?
-I don't play any sport.
-How many people are on your team?
-What?!?!...Everyone that doesn't play sport I guess...
-Well that's not gonna get you on ESPN.
-I don't play sport...I don't wanna be on ESPN, I hate sports...
-Let me tell you,that's the dumbest sport ever!!!
-... *sigh* ...
chrisgr2008 7 months ago
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Ateism is a religion.
atheists are extremely devoted to three deities - tongue, stomach and genitals.
Your deities order you to serve them - bring tasty food for stomach and tongue and provide sex for genitals -
and you work hard day and night to serve your Masters.
so atheists are the most religious people.
Caesar88888 9 months ago
The reality, from my point of view, is Christians (As well as other religions) can all tell you we have our own proof and evidence. Just because an Atheist wants something specific, like, oh I don't know, a picture of god, or interview (end sarcasm), doesn't mean we don't have proof. Its just not proof that satisfies you. BUT, either way, who cares? When we die, we'll all find out. So seriously, I wish people would quit arguing.
koga1211 10 months ago 3
@koga1211 Well it matters because what people believes influences how they behave. For example, my family believed in faith healing so I was born at home, never immunized & medically neglected my entire childhood. I care because incorrect beliefs have real-world consequences for living people.
Evidence that ANYTHING supernatural exists would be a good place to start. Why don't you start there?
AngieAntiTheist 10 months ago 5
@AngieAntiTheist Well for starters, you're asking for proof of something non-corporeal, something intangible. I don't know that Atheists will ever be able to except anything less. And believe it or not I do understand, despite my own beliefs I am an intellectual. As far as faith healing goes, thats extremism as far as I'm concerned, and no where in the bible does it say to do that. Its unfortunate what some people do, but people are people, that has nothing to do with God or Christianity.
koga1211 10 months ago
@koga1211 Well, before I can believe in something, I have to have good reason to suppose it actually exists. I don't believe in magic, despite all the fun and scary books on the subject I've read. I don't believe in gods either, despite a similar interest in the topic. But the god (most) Christians believe in isn't entirely ethereal - he interacts w/the natural world (think Manna from heaven.) Where are the miracles, the signs and wonders spoken of in the Bible? As absent as Harry Potter's magic
AngieAntiTheist 10 months ago 4
@AngieAntiTheist Scientists have already said, and maybe this is theory not proven, that there are different dimensions, and that, in theory, its possible for something to exist on one plane, and still interact with another plane to some degree. Now I'm not saying this is the case, but there are many possibilities. I suppose my point is, for all the professed logic of Atheists, you guys tend to be about as sure of it as the scientists who once thought the sun revolved around the earth.
koga1211 10 months ago
@koga1211 (ran out of space) Anyway, my point is, if someone wants to be Atheist, thats their choice, I'm not here to convince you, nor prove the existence of God to the world. I'm just saying, Atheists could stand to keep their minds a little more open.
koga1211 10 months ago
@koga1211 I find it funny that you say "Atheists could stand to keep their minds a little more open" when all you have to do to convince them otherwise is to show proof of the existence of a god when you, yourself is terrified to even consider for a moment that your god may not exist.
eatshitgoogle 10 months ago
@eatshitgoogle Actually, you're wrong. I've spent years thinking and researching that question. I'm not a blind faith believer. Terrified? Interesting opinion....do you know me? I don't even blink at the thought, I can't prove he exists, I believe he does, but have I questioned his existence? Uh, yeah? Most people do at some point or another, even if they are Christian. Even if they don't admit it.
koga1211 10 months ago
@koga1211 Well, let's suppose that you're being honest, and I really don't think you are. The irony still exists. I, as an atheist, would change my stance on the matter if any evidence supporting your god were to appear. How isn't my mind open then? On the other hand, the religious has to willfully ignore every single evidence there is which contrasts with what the bible says. So?
eatshitgoogle 10 months ago
@eatshitgoogle You don't have to believe me, but it is true. What evidence? You mean all theories that aren't proven but can be considered plausible? Big bang has been shot down various times......evolution exists but there is no actual proof yet that we evolved from chimps. As for proof on Christianities part, the problem I see is that anything that would be considered physical proof has been buried over time, and mostly in war torn zones. Its not so easy as typical science.
koga1211 10 months ago
@eatshitgoogle (Ran out of space, again) The rest is a matter of things that are intangible. I'm not sure how you prove that. As for my own beliefs, its called faith. That doesn't mean I don't seek answers though, believe it or not you can TRUST in something, but still continue to seek answers with an open and honest mind. Its just not common, is all. As for the intangible, I don't think we have the tools in science (or the minds) to properly prove or disprove anything yet.
koga1211 10 months ago
@koga1211 Well, I'm glad we agree on this much: Christians are christians because they choose to ignore real evidence (as you obviously do) and when it comes to the religious' evidence and proof, it's all so personal and subjective and... no evidence at all. Got ya! Bye!
eatshitgoogle 10 months ago
@koga1211 The Holy Babble does promote faith healing. Have you read it?
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
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shieldsff 6 months ago
@AngieAntiTheist "For example, my family believed in faith healing so I was born at home, never immunized & medically neglected my entire childhood." White people are martyrs about everything.
HardforJesus 4 months ago
@koga1211 well what am i supposed to believe then? Ur basing all of your ideas and morals off of a book that wasn't even written by a god it was written by people claiming to be under under his influence.
cod4guys12 9 months ago
"Off" is a TV channel and I guess having a bald head is a hair color too if Atheism is a religion.
supernova8370 10 months ago
Ofcourse it's a religion. You believe in something, right? Why do you believe it? What do you use for reasons that you make this stand?
From listening to your religious background, it's too bad that you throw out the baby with the bathwater. You are flaunting your ignorance, you sound lika fool.
habfan24 11 months ago
@habfan24 You got it wrong--atheists DON'T believe in something--namely any gods or goddesses. Since when is not believing in something a religion? Is NOT collecting coins a hobby? If you are truly going to hold that belief in anything is a religion, then when one considers the vast numbers of things people might believe in, (with or without evidence--you didn't specify)--then that means there must be billions of religions--which dilutes the word "religion" to meaninglessness.
DandAinTac 11 months ago
I think atheism is a reactionary attitude. Atheism is the easiest religion to follow.
Also, unicorns and leprechauns are not creators of a divine world... they aren't even theistic. Stop using that crap as some type of point.
If people didn't take any science classes it'd be easy to not believe atoms don't exist.
Can anyone out there see it that maybe our scientific knowledge and tools aren't even close to finding the designer if ever?
Shrunkenhead61 11 months ago
Atheism is a Religion, because you believe, you have faith there is no God without proof. When you die, it is only then you see the truth.
Go back to the definition of faith. Faith is believing in something without proof. Religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Atheism is defined as the doctrine or belief that there is no God. Therefore Atheism is a religion.
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Allen West 2012
TheModelification 11 months ago
@TheModelification By your logic, not believing in unicorns (let's call it Aunicornism) is a religion. You believe, you have faith there are no unicorns without proof.
But see, that's not how things work. It's GREAT to not believe in things which have no evidence. Believing in something as incredible as an all-powerful intervening god with ZERO evidence is not at all the same as NOT believing it. No matter how much you wish they were the same, they aren't.
AngieAntiTheist 11 months ago
@AngieAntiTheist James:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen
bbyfce4u 11 months ago
@AngieAntiTheist i rather believe in all those aspects of god than in nothing at all. even if god does not exist. is that irrational. and i think that people say it is your religion because atheists obsess about there lack of belief. their un belief becomes them.
aqueenowlbee 6 months ago
he is going by the definition of faith. you belief there is no god. belief is a faith. there is no way of knowing if god exists or not. einstein believed in god. he thought the answer was hidden behind energy. that is one reason they made the particle accelarater. they said to see how it was before the big bang and to see dark matter. they also went so far as to say ghosts. and most these people would call themselves atheists.
aqueenowlbee 6 months ago
@TheModelification Wikipedia:
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]
Where did you get your definition?
afroschlan 9 months ago
@afroschlan wikipeddia is NOT a reliable source for anything, i could log on to wikipedia an say atheism is cake
webster dictionary ( people who specialize in definitions )
religion = the service and worship of God or the supernatural ( belief in a god or deity )
athiest = a disbelief in the existence of deity ( a non-belief in a god or deity )
athiest do not believe in God or the supernatural so by definition it is not a religion
mrfwest 9 months ago
@mrfwest This definition hasn't changed since I started using Wikipedia.. Do you find that definition unacceptable?
afroschlan 9 months ago
@mrfwest "i could log on to wikipedia an say atheism is cake"
You would be quickly refuted.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@afroschlan,
What makes wiki right? Wiki is never wrong?
Its written by cab drivers and double checked by waitresses.
gklr 7 months ago
@gklr That sounds like blatant discrimination. Only cab drivers and waitresses, what about the rest of the people? Where are they supposed to share their age earned knowledge to the public? I better go investigate this horrible injustice to better my fellow man and.. oh, fuck it.. I'm tired and my sarcasm ability is running dry.
Yes, wiki can be wrong. It can also be right. To further understand the dialogue, scroll up and read ;)
afroschlan 7 months ago
@afroschlan,
Wiki is comical, especially with their definition of atheism.
1. a lack of something is never something
2. saying atheists lack belief in god is true, but not about what atheists are, it is true about what atheists do not have, are not. Nothing is what it isn't.
3. saying you lack belief in god is true or a belief? If true, prove it. If a belief, then you are were you started.
Wikis entry on atheism makes many errors that any 1st year student in logic could cripple.
gklr 7 months ago
@TheModelification NO!!!!!!! There are no tenets or code of morals to live by in atheism. That does not mean that atheists are sinners! There's something called integrity. You might want to check into it. Also if you claim that atheism is a religion then do you call theism a religion? No! The fact of the matter is christianity, islam, hinduism, and judaism are religions under the heading of theism. Atheism, the oppositional heading, does NOT contain any religions.
FallofDarkness55 9 months ago
@TheModelification ha ha the complete lack of evidence for the existence of god disproves him existing, which would logically be proof for his non-existence. There is no leap of faith. I am at the point where i definitly ( i know i spelled that wrong) do not believe in what the bible says and i do not believe in the god of the bible. I do think there may be some evidence for some kind of afterlife, aka spirits, hauntings, but i mean who knows as far as that is concerned.
Joker3797 7 months ago
@TheModelification Are you really that stupid? Atheism is a lack of belief in any gods. Nothing religious about that.. We're all born atheists (no belief), some just are taught/convinced otherwise.
"Faith is believing in something without proof. " Yes, this is what you do. Atheism, on the other hand, is simply the lack of any belief in gods. It doesn't mean you "have faith there is no god". I also don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, but that doesn't require any faith either
TheZeroAssassin 4 months ago
@TheModelification You are wrong. When a Christian claims that there is a God, there is a burden of proof. When an Atheism says that they don't believe in that God, there is no burden of proof, they don't have to prove that something doesn't exist, that's illogical. You, as a Christian, are making the assertions, we are simply skeptical of the assertions, and given the lack of cogent evidence, we refuse to play your impossible game.
Aphotic0221 4 months ago
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it is. you preach, you believe there is no god=belief. you have faith in yourself and man-made science=fait. you place the meaning of your existence with a higher being. It just happens to be yourself. Enjoy your religion, even if it is a paradoxical silly one.
TheG3NTL3 1 year ago
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TheG3NTL3 1 year ago
So all you're saying about your religion is that you don't have the same dogma as other religions ?
mlmr11 1 year ago
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Sure there's a creed. You're all Evolutionists. You all believe you have no sin. You believe there is no God. You all believe there is no hell. No heaven. These are all beliefs. You have Atheist Bibles now. You can say we should believe you don't believe what you believe are beliefs all you want, but they are beliefs. They are your dogma. They make up your religion. You all agree to them.
MegaSage007 1 year ago
@MegaSage007 We all agree to what? The only common factor among atheists is a lack of belief in a god. I know anti-choice conservative gun-toting atheists. I know pro-choice liberal union-supporting atheists. I know nihilists and objectivists, and I think they're both silly.
The ONLY factor all atheists share is lack of belief in gods. That's IT.
If atheism is a religion: What the fuck are the tenants?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
Atheism is what the individual Atheist believes it is.
Your god is the Devil and you are a religion driven by him to his will.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
MegaSage007 1 year ago
@MegaSage007 If "Atheism is what the Atheist (stet) individual believes it is" then how on EARTH can your next statement logically follow? I mean, I know it's just shit logic & unsupported claims, but how does it make sense in your head, I wonder.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
You really don't know do you?
MegaSage007 1 year ago
There is more proof that God does exist. Atheists also believe in killing babies. You are very long winded and say nothing.
LadyLillyOfPennyPie 1 year ago
@LadyLillyOfPennyPie I would very much like to see this proof. Also, many Christians believe that abortion (I assume that's what you're talking about) and many atheists (including myself) think that abortion is wrong in most cases. But I think the more pressing point is what does baby killing have to do with the video?
Krayorik2point0 1 year ago
furthermore.....the traditions you mention (holy word...ten commandments....popes....word....messiah.....fallen.....sin....hell..etc) also not god...just a RELIGION! any kind of religion! full of traditions! NONE OF THEM ARE GOD. don't be so rebellious against truth. NOT religion.
yeowlsing 1 year ago
@yeowlsing Well duh. She wasn't saying they're god. She was saying that atheism doesn't have aything like those, so it's not a religion.
Krayorik2point0 1 year ago
@Krayorik2point0 I wasn't saying they're god, either. I'm saying that what most atheists criticize in theists is the WRONG perceptions that they have about god. But the perceptions, the people, the religion etc... those things aren't god. So what you call "patently false" "routine killing in the name of.." I do speak against those things, because it's completely ridiculous. religions contradict themselves that way.
yeowlsing 1 year ago
@Krayorik2point0 all im saying is that judging theists as wrong, because of the false perceptions they have, is just as ridiculous as "killing in the name of..." because you are creating a hate environment where you think you are better than someone because you don't believe in gnomes.
yeowlsing 1 year ago
NOW! if you REALLY think you dont believe in anything.....why the need to make a 7 minute video and justify your "belief?
yeowlsing 1 year ago
@Y, not a belief, its a disbelief, believing in somthing does not = religion, because your belief can change, a religion is a set belief. Even then that dosnt make a single belief a religion. you could be going crazy and believe unicorns exhist, that dosnt mean unicorns is a religion. but religion is based on the foundation that you beleive in a set belief, a religion can not be based on a foundation of disbelief by the very defonition of religion. Atheists do beleive in things. just not gods.
evilyakko 1 year ago
@yeowlsing If everyone around you believed in something that you were sure is patently false, say, that invisible gnomes cause all of the processes in the universe to occur, would you speak out against it? And if people routinely killed other people in the name of slightly different colored gnomes, would you speak out against it? This is the situation that atheists find themselves in.
Krayorik2point0 1 year ago
atheism...no ism? don't call it atheims, then. Don't justify it if you don't believe in anything. what's the need? you dont believe in anything! god is not any religion. it's not any kind notion. As much as you want to "not believe anything" you have to understand that what you are rejecting has NOTHING to do with religion at all. You are focusing on religion because it hurt you, bothered you, insulted you, etc...at some point. but that is not god. has nothing to do with it
yeowlsing 1 year ago
@yeowlsing "atheism...no ism? don't call it atheims"
OK. We will not call it atheims. Satisfied?
Strangerinasland 2 months ago 26
but why would one without a religion or belief in God be offended by something that they believe to not be real? And why would they press these beliefs onto other people? Trying to confirm themselves there is no God? Maybe it's because they're angry with God, and refuse to believe in him? You would think that an athiest wouldn't care, since they do not have a belief. hm?
HuskyDiaries 1 year ago
@HuskyDiaries If everyone around you believed in something that you were sure is patently false, say, that invisible gnomes cause all of the processes in the universe to occur, would you speak out against it? And if people routinely killed other people in the name of slightly different colored gnomes, would you speak out against it? This is the situation that atheists find themselves in.
Krayorik2point0 1 year ago
Athiest claim that thiests are wrong, and that there is no god, that is placing a belief onto another group of people. It is a belief, and it is a belief that is placed onto others like any other belief. It may not be a religion, because it isn't organized like religions are, but it is a belief that lately has been put onto others, and the government. Many athiests are claiming to be "offended" by certain christian acts that are performed during school, government, ect.
HuskyDiaries 1 year ago
@HuskyDiaries So we agree. A belief does not make a religion. Excellent.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist But it has the potential to become one.
HuskyDiaries 1 year ago
@HuskyDiaries A solitary belief is not and cannot be a religion. (The belief IN a god is not a religion itself. Only when this belief is coupled with doctrinal beliefs does it become a religion.)
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ThomasWinkworth 1 year ago
+ The fact that SOME atheists feel the need to outspeak their opinions does not make atheism a religion. Furthermore, there are theist that don't feel the need to embrace any religion.
aditzzaaa 1 year ago