@azucar1242 In my own transition away from religious faith, one of the major turning points was my not being able to get satisfactory answers to the questions that I needed answered. Good luck as you work through this.
I have an answer to q# 9. Cannibalism was not an uncommon religious practice in those days. The reason why Jesus might have wanted people to eat his body and drink his blood, was to guarantee that his body would be stolen out of the tomb in order to act this out. Due to prior programming, everyone would assume that an empty tomb meant he had risen as opposed to grave robbery.
You cannot heal an amputee there is nothing to heal. You would need to create a new limb. It is a bogus question. Healing requires something sick. Most amputees would be angry if you considered there present condition sick. Bringing the old limb for re attachment you might say is regenerating.The question is bent to say why won't God create a new limb.Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. Flesh is not God's intent on creating. He makes new spiritual creations not flesh
@polopowers1 'you cannot' Imposing a limitation on an omnipotent being, lol.
Nothing that you said matters. Jesus promised that your prayer- ANY PRAYER- will be answered so long as you believe. That people can move mountains with prayer. Yet we have never seen an amputee's limb restored to them through prayer.
An all powerful god that answers prayers should be capable & willing to regenerate flesh, especially since many fervent believers have prayed for such a thing, I'm sure. And yes, regenerating flesh IS an aspect of healing. If I was stabbed it's my flesh wounds that would be healing...
Even without that distinction, the question isn't bogus. Boiled down and rephrased it's asking "Why does a supernatural god not answer prayers that would need a supernatural remedy?"
why should god heal amputees and end hunger? By the INTERNAL definitions of the Bible love would demand this and the Bible claims God is love. Any loving PERSON on this board would end hunger and heal the hurting if we could. If God could and doesnt he is of lesser moral character than myself or even most of you defending him.
Let's see you hit on 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 and Romans 1:24-32. We were taught about people like you, profmth. No true Christian cares what you have to say. In fact these comments are merely to get others to think twice about the angle you are coming from. Hopefully you have enough integrity to keep the comments up and allow others to read them.
When you Christians try to make a point, you hold on to one definition of one word "true". It sounds like when Bill Clinton was on the burner. "define is....is is a is that means is is"? Questions still haven't been answered. Christians get so angry and offended. These points are intelligent as well as common sense. It's ok to question your faith. Oh, the Earth is much older than 6,000 years, snakes and donkeys don't talk, Rape is not a good thing, it's not ok to kill children and babies. Your
In John 6:55, "true" doesn't mean "literal", it means "eternal". The gospel of John takes a lot from Greek philosophy. Plato said "The philosopher is in love with truth, that is, not with the changing world of sensation, which is the object of opinion, but with the unchanging reality which is the object of knowledge."
Truth is eternal/unchanging. "True food" means you'll never be hungry again. John 6:35 "Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty"
It is not true that a rhetorical question is an avoidance of the questionl je answered the question. "why should God" is then same as saying "He diesnt heal amputees because he doesn't have to/chooses not to". Not that complicated
@ profmth- I think you are funny and are a huge help in understanding the bs in the bible. And that's coming from an x Christian -ye guy who wants to get a tattoo of the thinking atheist logo
if you are religious how do you know you have picked the right religion?
how do you know that Muslim or Hindu or Christianity are the right or wrong religions me my self i would believe a god if it would come and tell me which religion to warship there is just no such thing as religion just watch Zeitgeist and you will see that religion is just based on astrology and to control people ...
@Cecilialea81 "The "Christian-ey" thing of me to do would have been to not leave any comment, huh?"
Has nothing to do with being a Christian any more than your being an ex-agnostic with a marked up ankle. Though it seems to me that if one wishes to make a point, it's probably best not to lead off with a sentence like "You're an idiot" lest one's interlocutor be left with the impression that one was looking in a mirror when typing.
You're an idiot. Why don't you do something better with your time? It cracks me up that you are on such an anti-Jesus "crusade" in the first place.... why do people like you wanna waste your breath in voicing your totally unphilosophical opinions,when you're not persuading anybody to go in your direction..you're far too boring to listen to and you have no sense of humor in your words.. trust me,I'm an ex-agnostic with a Bad Religion tattoo on my ankle,and yeah,you gotta have an open heart &mind.
@Cecilialea81 "trust me, I'm an ex-agnostic with a Bad Religion tattoo on my ankle"
You should have started your comment with an annoucement of these impressive credentials.
"you're far too boring to listen to"
So boring that you decided to take time to post your little rant. Then again, an ex-agnostic with a Bad Religion tat on her ankle must be so interesting that I suppose I should be honored you took some time out of your life in the intellectual fast lane to watch and comment.
I've said it before, but it still amazes me that the only way christians can make their bible have any sense at all, is by indulging in fantastic mental gymnastics of wild interpretation and re-interpretatioin until it sort of fits what they want to believe.
They don't seem to get it, that if you start from the premise that god doesn't exist. Everything in the bible makes sense. It's just a story book of myths and legends. No more historically accurate than Homer's Odyssey
@HonestMan395 The only way a person can be a modern, progressive individual AND a Christian is to ignore, reinterpret, or rephrase a majority of the stories, laws, and allegories in their holy book.
@TheGeneralCritic That's exactly what a lot of them do. The fundamentalists just metaphorically stick their fingers in their ears and go: "la la la la la", so they don't have to listen to anything.
Faith does not give you the answers; it just stops you asking the questions.
I think that what the first question was getting at was,"Why will God heal lepers, other disease sufferers, and accident victims, but not amputees?" Along with the scriptures about prayer, I would have asked zkueker88 "What makes a leper so much more special in God's eyes than an amputee?" Even if he managed to interpret his way around the scriptures, he would still be backed into a corner on the fairness issue.
@jmg94j I agree those arguments have merit, but I like how ProfMTH answered it too. I think his answers are more inclusive. The only real argument against it are either a translation error, or it being out of context. Both terrible arguments obviously, but the quote he used staves off almost any argument dealing with prayer. Jesus was talking out of his ass more or less is the gist of it, or he didn't exist.
Just came back to look at some of your older stuff. It still holds up and is very good. Truth is always good. I see Zkueker88 has taken down his response video to the 10 questions every Christian must ask video. I was looking for his rhetorical nonsense.
@kram83au hahahahahaha.....ok worm(textbooks are teaching us that they are our grandpa, so no hard feelings).. be careful when you go to a walk, don't step on your great grandpa(rock/street...from which life ''evolved'')...LOL
" Lies in the Textbook: Rational Wiki has a good analysis
You use Kent Hovind lectures. Hovind has NO scientific knowledge and openly lies to support his position against the evidence. His videos ignore basic science and call for you to ignore reality, to say nothing of the mountains of peer-reviewed articles, studies, and experiments which defeat his claims.
@boldhero44 Carley had her medical license revoked in 2004 for practicing medicine with a mental disability. The court records make clear just how mentally disabled she was. Her mental condition hasn't seemed to improved much since then so her 2008 presentation isn't going to be much helpful.
That said, she is wrong off-the-bat: Vaccines are not linked to Chronic diseases:
Pediatrics Digest and Respiratory Reviews both have articles against her.
Now, articles do accept the importance of timing. Improper vaccination timing (such as vaccination too early) CAN lead to chronic diseases (Pubmed 21575714). And occasionally the pathogens co-evolve (21233019), usually when improperly timed. However baring those (and the latter is a minority), even thimerosal-containing vaccines are predominately risk-free (22184954). Therapeutic vaccinations can even counter cancer (21702656) and other chronic diseases (21893545).
My son, give attention to my words, incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes, keep them in the midst of your heart. For they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh [Proverbs 4:20-22, NKJV]. healing all flesh, that would include aumputees.
A rhetorical question can sometimes be extremely effective for bouncing ideas and fixing faulty arguments (Socratic method). As an agostic atheist I must say that God's arch enemy is religion as most religions have terrible arguments to support his existence and without those there would be a lot less atheists as explaining the start of life is so hard.
@thesoundoftruth1 "your behavior makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE now that I figured out you are a homo ... go listen to some Judy Garland... Queen"
Wow, ad hominem and hackneyed old gay stereotypes are the best you can do? How pathetic, moronic, and hilarious! LOL. Now it seems almost cruel that I told you fuck off. You're a sad case. Nevertheless, fuck off.
@thesoundoftruth1 "It looks like you actually put a lot of time and thought into something you find silly. That life beyond youtube seems to really keep you away."
You need to make up your mind. 1st you assert that I'm not spending enough time here and, therefore, not getting back to you quickly enough. Now you suggest that I spend too much time on YouTube. Any port in an apologetic storm, eh? In any case, if you've given up on even trying to be substantive, then don't waste time posting.
lol Well, apparently unlike your other interlocutors, I have a life beyond YouTube. So, I'm not just sitting around staring at the computer, eagerly awaiting messages from you (or anyone else) to which I can respond.
"i really do not even remember the context of your question"
Here's a funny YouTube feature: one can just scroll up and reread the comment in which I asked the question. The fact is you don't have an answer.
Another question - Why does God have a 'chosen people', the Jews, and in the old testament, this gave them the right to go kill thousands of innocent people just because they weren't of God's chosen people. Isn't that just a form of Nazism? The Israelites thinking they're better than everyone else cause God likes them and killing innocent people who God apparently doesn't like no different to Germans killing innocent Jews and other minorities because they think they're racially superior?
@hedbangr141 Also, before anyone mentions this, I know the Holocaust was obviously on a much larger scale than what the Israelites did but they just had swords and spears. I'm sure if they'd had guns and gas chambers in ancient Israel they would have been just as bad as the Nazis.
@thesoundoftruth1 "I have seen plenty of people healed (maybe not amputees.)"
"Maybe not amputees"? I take that to mean you've never seen an amputee healed. Tell me, if you would, please, precisely what divine healings *have* you witnessed?
"A true follower will be in tune with the Holy Spirit and know the things he/she should be praying for and requesting."
So, everything a "true follower" requests in prayer is received?
The slavery passages alone should make any self respecting MORAL Christian give up his faith and know NO all loving, all knowing being helped write the bible. WE today know slavery of any kind is wrong, to ratonalize it that it was part of the times is just plain silly and frankly an immoral response. An all knowing god would have made it illegal, just like he made silly things like working on the Sabbath wrong. Again a thinking person would know these are the products of near minded men.
I love the incredible rationalizing twists and turns and Cognitive Dissonance believers go through to make themselves feel good and not really answer these questions.
@ProfMTH This book was made easily understood for their culture, therefore He adapted his teachings into terms they would understand. As culture was different then, no modern views on ethics would be relevant, therefore the slavery argument is quite null. As for the "Why won't god heal amputees", he will not always heal the problems brought up by our human flaws directly related from our fall (Adam and Eve). Their prayers may be answered in a different way, never is a prayer unanswered, ever.
@Randomemailer54 1) Slavery argument is NULL? - Working in the Sabbath = Death, Keeping Slaves = Death for the attempt - There was cruelty for insignificant things - Why NOT slavery which is significant?
2) If there no perceivable thing that has happened, what can be claimed to have been answered with regard to any prayer? (I am thinking about the prayers to the milk carton here...)
3) What is directly associated with the "fall" other than sin?
@Randomemailer54 Slavery argument null?? That is a null response and frankly just plan silly. God banned a bunch of things that were silly and far less important than slavery. Never does he say or imply that his rules are constrainted by the culture and time period. His word is supposed to be forever, and he should not care about human culture. So why does he not only not ban slavery but promotes it? You need to ask why this is....
@ProfMTH Sorry that reply was irrelevant, the bible verses gist was your prayers shall always be answered. Of course it shall not always be answered in the way you wish it to be. Also, "In order to reap the field, one must sow the seed." (grossly misquoted I know, and I apologize) No evidence of his miracles? I do not really believe any remains of the healed would be noticed at this time, nor would any other things.
@ProfMTH The Bible is mostly in chronoligical order, therefore the verse "When 2 or 3 people are gathered in my name, I shall be in their midst." was after, not before he was crucified, therefore his physical restrictions of being human would have indeed applied at the time. He meant, not to be physically eaten, but have his teachings (he was a teacher) eaten. As I have before claimed, the culture was different then. Cannibalism was not really in their minds, as the very notion was preposterous.
the acts of healing and miracles were for unbelieving jews..THE JEWS REQUIRE A SIGN.....as god turns to us gentiles....its all faith.....till the tribulation.GOD DOES WHAT HE WANTS....WHEN HE WANTS..and does not consult with you about it.your task......if you got any moxie....is to get over yourself long enough to find him......
History washes away many things. We have no idea how the egyptians really did anything (don't lie we don't we just think we do. Really we're just geussing) still.
3. God tried something else first. He tried to simply KILL and Eradicate all unpure things... (maybe... but then again God loves us all?) but in the end it didn't work so he decided to just kill us all and start over. But Jesus saved us for our sins blah blah blah blah
(I'm not sure why I'm doing this but I love a good debate).
2. So you probably all know that Lucifer was removed from God's Grace and became Satan.
Well the evil in the world is caused by him, God's meaning of I create Peace and evil. (God' makes mistakes too, anybody remember the leviathan? During the 7 days of creation God got a little too creative.)
God can't directly fight Lucifer with either:
a. Obliderating the Earth with his awesome powers cause their too awesome.
b. (Since God is subtle too) result in the deaths of too many people.
1. Why God shouldn't Heal Amuptees. (Touches very Slightly on Christian Theology)
God doesn't want people to know for sure he exists. As stupidly qouted from christians *Without Faith I am Nothing* so maybe he'll answer some of their prayers with prostetics. And also there is most likely a limit to what and who he gives to to limit GREED.
Okay. I'm not even a beliver and I'm not going to use things from the Bible because the Bible is serverely MESSED UP.
I personally think that if God were real and he managed to CREATE us then well we have no idea of the scope of his vision (like thoughts not prophecy junk) and the Bible are just Human interperetation of it.
Also through centuries of translation some of the meaning is no doubt lost.
@k0smon That whole CONTEXT bullshit really is convenient for you...isn't it. How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is correct? Oh, you've been "guided by the spirit"...right? How do you explain dedicated Christians who have a different interpretation of scripture than you do? Oh, I guess they are being deceived by DEMONS or simply haven't received the spirit as you have. How lucky you are to be one of god's chosen ones.
@Reggie1971 :::Are you dingy? I think the bible is a rather poor book and is not 'the word of God". I believe that Jesus was a myth, and the trinity is not real. I do believe in the Creator, the Architect of the Universe.
@k0smon I think your comment is "dingy" and ill thought out. Never did I say that I accepted the bible as "God's Holy Word". I simply pointed out that many different Christians have many different interpretations.
That is one indication that the text is faulty. I'm a Deist by the way.
1: if god healed amputees and other people with disabilities it would defy the whole point of living to experience life to the fullest through the happiest moments, to the most horrible, if he didnt he wouldnt even have created us.
Why wont God heal amputees? Because of the Law of Karma, Karma is the only way to have a Good creator at the same time as perfect justice, you answer your own prayers. You are not punished For your sins, your punished By your sins.
"Virtue in distress and vice in triumph Makes atheists of Mankind."
i would like to point out that there are answers to these questions and they are not so hard to answer when one has a cursory knowledge of language, and the bible. you must also understand that the new and old testament are written to different groups of people and with different intentions. i do not own a video camera and since i am only allowed to comment a limited amount of characters, i cannot answer them here. if any one is actually interested in hearing these answers just reply.
@gininginin . I obviously don’t think murder is the only solution to every infraction; I deplore it when innocents are killed and don’t wish even the most evil to die at the hands of humans, but come on, God couldn’t lock them all in jail. He knows all. His reasoning may not always be so clear to us as He is infinite, but we should always trust His moral perfection; we shouldn’t point the finger at Him, especially when we have the comprehension of ants in comparison.
@gininginin As for a non-lethal punishment- well, what do you propose? What suffering could be great enough to change the hearts of thousands to millions of people from evil without killing any? And suffering also has the habit of making us curse God as well as kneel down in repentance. If one small-scale traumatic experience you suffered made you want to scream at the sky, many would curse God as well as repent at the punishment He might have purposed.
@gininginin and Gomorrah were they deserved His Judgment. Think about the supposed alternatives you offered- in order for there to be forgiveness, there must be repentance, if God just forgave people of being demented and deranged without there being a bit of remorse on their part for the evil or a change of their hearts, then God has done nothing for the society but condone their own criminal behavior.
Christians do not have to answer anything..We know what we believe..You are just blinded to the truth..God is not a genie and he does not have to do anything..Wow you sure like to twist the Bible verses..Satan sure has you blinded..
@gininginin And it would be only fitting that the One who gave us life should have the right to take it; He addressed to humans not to murder; as it would be taking the life God gave to men.
"And it would be only fitting that the One who gave us life should have the right to take it"
"What do you think He should have done? Found a way to murder all the wicked adults in the world"
You condone mass murder. You are immoral according to any our society's standard. What should He have done you ask? How about forgive, or a non-lethal punishment? Is your mind that simple that you cannot think of any other form of justice, let alone *justify* a murderous God? Horrible.
@gininginin A jury cheers when a convict who has committed all sorts of abominable things to innocent people is sentenced to death by a judge, are they immoral; they cheered when a human authority condoned a murder of an evil man who has done horrible things with no remorse. If any of the societies my "murderous" God put to death were alive and unchanged then all of our modern societies would be begging for military action.
@gininginin I don’t condone when humans kill humans, especially the innocent, as it is not their place to take life, especially the lives of good, undeserving people. God is the one in control, He is the creator, He is the higher authority who always wants people to repent and reform or face punishment. Think about it, God has on many occasions begged human societies to repent and turn good and if they did, as Nineveh did, He spared them, if they were as cold-hearted and unrighteous as Sodom-
I don't believe your God exists. What I see is a lot of people killing in the name of their vengeful god, just like the israelites did against their neighbours.
"and Gomorrah were they deserved His Judgment"
Your argument is invalidated by the New Testament. You and your religion contradict yourselves.
" I obviously don’t think murder is the only solution to every infraction;"
You just explained situations where you approve mass murder. Despicable. Bye
@MrEmadshalabi As I stated, I don't believe a god exists. All I see is people using the "authority" they imbued themselves, claiming to God's work, to exercise and condone criminal activities. It's all over the Bible, just read Judges or Kings. The bible stories teach you to obey power (Might makes Right) so you do not see how immoral that is.
Test it - change your comment like this: replace God by "Allah" or any other deity, and recite that comment to a friend, and ask him what he thinks.
God is not an advocate of murder and speaks against killing "innocent" people many times. In fact, when He was destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, He promised Abraham He would spare the entire city if ten righteous people were found living in it. In all the cases where He commanded death, He spared the lives of those that were innocent such as Lot and his family and Noah along with his family.
I will come back later to answer the rest of the questions.
"He would spare the entire city if ten righteous people were found living in it."
But He didn't spare anyone in that story. He murdered everyone, that's advocating alright.
"Noah along with his family."
So every other single person was 'guilty', even the babies? Hilarious.
Even if THAT was true, he still advocated murder by performing it in those stories (which we know are just tales anyway). And you forgot about deaths advocated in Joshua, Judges, Kings, etc. Read the book.
@gininginin Actually, He spared Lot and his family. Also, I did not forget the other stories, but I don't have enough time to address every story of death in the Bible in youtube comments.
@gininginin What do you think He should have done? Found a way to murder all the wicked adults in the world, and leave the babies and little children in an empty world to fend for themselves, eventually die off or become savages and restart their fathers wicked traditions of idol worship and human and animal sacrifice to gods such as Moloch? The idea of a God leaving those children to die as orphans and suffer alone or resurrect the evil world He first inflicted punishment on is ludicrous.
"But He didn't spare anyone in that story. He murdered everyone, that's advocating alright." As no one in Sodom and Gomorrah was righteous; all of the men in the town wanted to rape angels because they shape-shifted into humans; what good could possibly have been in that town? And are you judging God for being God? What would you prefer Him to do with the constantly wicked, let them alone? What justice would come of that? They would keep being evil and unrepentant.
Here, do a test. Write a list of evil things a powerful deity (hypothetical) could do. Do it in detail. Think of the worst crimes against humanity. When you are done, keep the list untouched and read the bible. All of it.
When you are done, check your list. Then come back here and tell me if you can one (yes, ONE) item in that list that Yahweh has not done or condoned. Nobody has answered me yet.
@gininginin I did not "forget" about those stories, but I can't address every instance of death in the Bible. People dying in wars is not the same as murder. Anyway, I don't know how many people were living in the time of the flood. Perhaps there weren't many people and maybe there were no babies (even though that is unlikely). I can't speak for God, but I do know that He does not advocate murder. He never kills unnecessarily and he instructs us not to murder.
"but I do know that He does not advocate murder."
No, you probably just believe that he doesn't. For you to *know*, you need to FIRST define what would it take for you to convince yourself that 'God advocates murder', and THEN read the bible seeking for passages. If *nothing* can ever convince you that God advocates murder, then you don't truly know. You just have blind faith.
To summarize, there is starving because their is suffering, and there is suffering because of man.
3. Well, I don't really believe God demanded for innocent people to be killed, but as there are many cases of war and death within the Bible, I would have to be pointed to a specific example of God commanding for an innocent person to be killed. I would also need a definition of the word "innocent." I believe all the killing that God commanded to be done was all for a cause.
2. It is my understanding that there are starving people in the word because we live in a word full of sin. In God's original plan for us, there would be no starving people but original sin changed that. It is because our world is cursed and men are inherently sinful that people suffer. God does not do evil, but He doesn't always prevent it. In many cases, starvation is a consequence of man's actions.
There is also the matter of unanswered prayers that you brought up. I don't think the Bible is so black and white that the verses mean you ask and you get. I believe it is more complex than that. God also knows what is best for us and it is His will that is going to be done. And sometimes, we do get what we ask for but it may not be how we expected or when we expected, but this does not mean the prayer is unanswered.
Amputation can be a life-saving procedure. However, if the question being asked is why doesn't God just grow the limb back, well, that is different. I can't always why God does what He does, I can only see how what He does effects people's lives. If someone is an amputee, it reasonable to assume that they will not be gaining back their lost limb, but that does not mean they are not healed. I believe God can and does heal amputees even if He doesn't do it in the way that we would wish.
I am willing to share my understanding of the "answers" to these questions as best I can but I am merely a student and still learning. I admit, there are many things about God I do not understand myself, and I ask some of the same questions, but I also have some opinions as to what the answers may or may not be.
1. It's sort of difficult to answer the first question when we have no definition of the word "heal." Sometimes, amputation is a form of healing. Continued....
Why does god kill thousands of people each year with natural disasters?
Why did god create so many parasites/diseases which we have no defence against except modern science/medicine if he loves us?
Why would god create man with original sin, and make a place for us to burn in hell, unless we accept the highly unlikely story of his self-sacrifice to himself to absolve us of the original sin he obviously intended us to have?
Asking any real question about god shows how religion is illogical.
buahahahaha...hihihi...hehehehe...hohohoho..wuahahahaha...the truth is not found in intelligence...but anyway...keep going..blind asking the blind for directions.
got a question for you..seed & fish ??whats the hebrew symbol?..ko koe okuke kui...what language ?..which was here first light or darkness?? Castro? which helps with castro??fish oil??chewing gum or potatoes
got a question for you..seed & fish ??whats the hebrew symbol?..ko koe okuke kui...what language ?..which was here first light or darkness?? Castro? which helps with castro??fish oil??chewing gum or potatoes
It seem to me atheists always have the upper hand in any religious argument. Most atheist know the bible better than the average christian, therefore, the atheist is using the christian's own ammunition against them. Also, if an atheist makes an air-tight point, a christian will usually not accept it. Most atheist are open-minded enough to accept a christian's logical point when it's in front of them... as rare as that might happen. THE LOGICAL ARGUMENT ALWAYS WINS!
Prt 6: For a comprehensive analysis of Johannine theology see Raymond E. Brown's two volume commentary and translation of the Gospel of John (Anchor Bible commentary series).
@ors712 Is it your contention that (Father) Raymond Brown believed that the fourth gospel provided no support for the so-called "Real Presence" of Jesus in the Christian Eucharist/Communion?
@ProfMTH Part 1: That is not my contention. Brown is of the persuasion that 6:51-58 refer to the Eucharist primarily in that verse 51 is a preservation of the original institution of the Eucharist presented in the synoptics now expressed in the language of the Johannine author. Verse 51: "The bread i shall give is my own flesh for the life of the world." (see Matt 26:26-28)
@ProfMTH Part 2: Because John speaks of "flesh" instead of "body" (as the Synoptics do) it is not implausible to assert that John is the closest of the Gospels to preserving the original Eucharistic language of Jesus being that 6:51 resembles a Eucharistic formula. Brown also puts forth that 6:35-50 (being secondary evidence) also carries eucharistic associations for early Christian audiences due to the mention of manna (see 1 Cor 10:1-4).
@ProfMTH Part 3: As for the real presence of Jesus. Brown notes that John's Eucharistic language have OT paralells (Wisdom literature) which make them intelligible to the audience portrayed in the scene, namely, that divine word and wisdom are presented under symbolism of food or bread (See Amos 8:11-13, Prov 9:5, Sir 15:3). I believe that Father Raymond Brown believes that John's Gospel provides adequate support for the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
Part 5: It is clear that anyone who has the honesty to read verses in their contexts would soon find these objections to be inadequate and unworthy of consideration or scholary attention. John's gospel speaks in abstract language of truth/ falsehood, light/darkness , bread/living water etc. If one reads 6:60 John basically tells the reader how one should NOT interpret the saying of Jesus in 53-56. But that would involve additional reading and thought, we can't have that now can we?
Part 4: 6:51: " I am the bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever"(cross reference Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman) 4:10: " If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you LIVING WATER." Verse 13: "Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst the water i give him will be a spring welling upto eternal life
Part 3: 6:35 " I am the bread of life, he who COMES TO ME will never go hungry and he who BELIEVES in me will never be thirsty." This passage is self explanatory and strangely enough, all one has to do is read the verses 53-56 to gain perspective and theological insight into Jesus' words. Verse 40; "For my Father's will is that everyone that LOOKS TO THE SON (eats) and BELIEVES (drinks) shall have eternal life." This verse is a second confirmation of verse 35.
Part 2: Before we approach 6:53-56 lets begin earlier in the chapter with a few verses, which read in context will illuminate the theology of verse 53-56 adequately. Verse 27: " Do not work for food that spoils but for food that endures to eternal life which the son of man will give you." All food spoils naturally. However, spiritual food (fulfillment) preserves, sustaines and increases through faith.
Part 1: I'm under the impression that ProfMTH is more intelligent than the source which originally presented these arguments, irrespective of his refusal to address these arguments in any scholarly fashion and instead stick to his regular agenda of allowing bad exegesis to stand in order to continually support his atheism/agnosticism . If scholarship and theology mean anything to ProfMth im sure he will find my explanation more than sufficient. stay tuned
"And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6). PART 3 (Carm.org)
Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. PART 2
the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.
"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," Part 1
2.For the "God creates evil" Evil is translated from the Hebrew "rah" means alot of things besides evil and given the CONTEXT of the passage it means Calamity rather than evil.
@ProfMTH the basis for the claim that CH1212 has comes from the Strong's dictionary and concordance. the word "evil" in that passage comes from the Hebrew word Rah which is Strong's number H7451 which can mean a moral evil or a natural "evil" or given the context a calamity. if you are reading from the KJV translation you will see the word "evil" but if you read a better translation such as the NIV it will say calamity. you basically have to learn the Hebrew and Greek for the best understanding
@ProfMTH my conclusion really isnt "my own" but in agreement with most modern day theologians. when you study the Hebrew for yourself and begin to understand the meaning of those words and their definitions, and then read differing translations you can see for yourself that there are poor translations. the point im trying to get across is this: one pretty much has to learn the ancient Hebrew and Greek to get a better understanding of the Bible. thats most pastors today learn them in seminary.
1.Yes Jesus DID say that,but its not up for you and me to give God a TIME LIMIT to complete His will for us on ANYTHING. If you DO believe IN FAITH that God WILL heal you in Jesus's Name then you obviously have enough faith to believe He is the one true God and will obtain eternal life with Him in Heaven THUS Jesus's promise that whatever you ask and believe IS TRUE. its a matter of WHEN and NOT by OUR standards.
@KLSeba i would think so since the Cross and its message are foolishness to those who are perishing(1Corinthians 1:18) Jesus said our reward is the Kingdom of Heaven,yet did the apostles get any Kingdom of Heaven in their ministry? with most of them dying in the most horrible fashions you COULD say that Jesus was lying. But Jesus also said if you DIE for me you will LIVE FOREVER. You can have broken legs and pray and you still be crippled,but God has made His promise in (Rev 21:4-7)
@KLSeba (Continued) God is not a genie who we can call on whenever we want something,but it is by HIS will WHEN it will be done. Plus the Bible clearly says that those who ask with their own wrong motives wont get their prayers answered (James 4:3)
To actually answer the questions require the Christians to actually think out the answers instead of spouting the religious line. Something that is nearly impossible for most, I emphasize MOST, cannot do.
Concerning the eating the body and drinking the blood; brace yourself if you haven't heard this, but David Icke and others now have reported that the reptillian race require human body and blood to keep up their strength. Me thinks there could be a connection here. Wondering what others think on this matter.
@fragman08 Well, thanks for taking the time to communicate with someone who is completely out of their mind. And you are so kind too. Even though I know nothing about you, since you didn't comment on why you think I'm insane and then took the 8 seconds to insult me, really says something about your abilities and capabilities. Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on your superior intellect and at least insult me with a concrete concept. Come on young man what's your problem?
@fragman08 Just because a subject sounds impossible does not mean it is so. Won't we BOTH be surprised should it turn out to be true? Maybe you're not familiar with Mr. Icke.
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azucar1242 2 days ago
@azucar1242 In my own transition away from religious faith, one of the major turning points was my not being able to get satisfactory answers to the questions that I needed answered. Good luck as you work through this.
ProfMTH 1 day ago
I have an answer to q# 9. Cannibalism was not an uncommon religious practice in those days. The reason why Jesus might have wanted people to eat his body and drink his blood, was to guarantee that his body would be stolen out of the tomb in order to act this out. Due to prior programming, everyone would assume that an empty tomb meant he had risen as opposed to grave robbery.
truthbknwn 1 week ago
You cannot heal an amputee there is nothing to heal. You would need to create a new limb. It is a bogus question. Healing requires something sick. Most amputees would be angry if you considered there present condition sick. Bringing the old limb for re attachment you might say is regenerating.The question is bent to say why won't God create a new limb.Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. Flesh is not God's intent on creating. He makes new spiritual creations not flesh
polopowers1 2 weeks ago
@polopowers1 'you cannot' Imposing a limitation on an omnipotent being, lol.
Nothing that you said matters. Jesus promised that your prayer- ANY PRAYER- will be answered so long as you believe. That people can move mountains with prayer. Yet we have never seen an amputee's limb restored to them through prayer.
Gaawachan 1 week ago
@polopowers1
An all powerful god that answers prayers should be capable & willing to regenerate flesh, especially since many fervent believers have prayed for such a thing, I'm sure. And yes, regenerating flesh IS an aspect of healing. If I was stabbed it's my flesh wounds that would be healing...
Even without that distinction, the question isn't bogus. Boiled down and rephrased it's asking "Why does a supernatural god not answer prayers that would need a supernatural remedy?"
vadimcream 1 week ago
why should god heal amputees and end hunger? By the INTERNAL definitions of the Bible love would demand this and the Bible claims God is love. Any loving PERSON on this board would end hunger and heal the hurting if we could. If God could and doesnt he is of lesser moral character than myself or even most of you defending him.
funcpl2741054 2 weeks ago
Matthew 27:52-53.....total crap
Jonathanedward2010 2 weeks ago
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Let's see you hit on 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 and Romans 1:24-32. We were taught about people like you, profmth. No true Christian cares what you have to say. In fact these comments are merely to get others to think twice about the angle you are coming from. Hopefully you have enough integrity to keep the comments up and allow others to read them.
upsidedownkingdom82 2 weeks ago
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boldhero44 4 weeks ago
Your Bible says these things are ok, just read it.
paramattic70 1 month ago
When you Christians try to make a point, you hold on to one definition of one word "true". It sounds like when Bill Clinton was on the burner. "define is....is is a is that means is is"? Questions still haven't been answered. Christians get so angry and offended. These points are intelligent as well as common sense. It's ok to question your faith. Oh, the Earth is much older than 6,000 years, snakes and donkeys don't talk, Rape is not a good thing, it's not ok to kill children and babies. Your
paramattic70 1 month ago
way to go quoting the bible still his questions made a better point then your explenations ...
linarddd 1 month ago
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ProfMTH 1 month ago
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In John 6:55, "true" doesn't mean "literal", it means "eternal". The gospel of John takes a lot from Greek philosophy. Plato said "The philosopher is in love with truth, that is, not with the changing world of sensation, which is the object of opinion, but with the unchanging reality which is the object of knowledge."
Truth is eternal/unchanging. "True food" means you'll never be hungry again. John 6:35 "Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty"
KayBeeEee1983 1 month ago
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KayBeeEee1983 1 month ago
It is not true that a rhetorical question is an avoidance of the questionl je answered the question. "why should God" is then same as saying "He diesnt heal amputees because he doesn't have to/chooses not to". Not that complicated
pianokid100 2 months ago
@pianokid100 "It is not true that a rhetorical question is an avoidance of the question."
What I said is that a rhetorical question is not an argument and it is not an answer.
"Not that complicated."
Seems like it was for you. You misunderstood what I said.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
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boldhero44 2 months ago
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boldhero44 2 months ago
we don't really believe it that's the problem
eelcob1818 3 months ago
@ profmth- I think you are funny and are a huge help in understanding the bs in the bible. And that's coming from an x Christian -ye guy who wants to get a tattoo of the thinking atheist logo
Wordoffakes 3 months ago
@Wordoffakes "I think you are funny and are a huge help in understanding the bs in the bible."
Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
if you are religious how do you know you have picked the right religion?
how do you know that Muslim or Hindu or Christianity are the right or wrong religions me my self i would believe a god if it would come and tell me which religion to warship there is just no such thing as religion just watch Zeitgeist and you will see that religion is just based on astrology and to control people ...
valters159 3 months ago
The "Christian-ey" thing of me to do would have been to not leave any comment, huh? :p My bad..You just happened to be the first vid I came across.
Cecilialea81 3 months ago
@Cecilialea81 "The "Christian-ey" thing of me to do would have been to not leave any comment, huh?"
Has nothing to do with being a Christian any more than your being an ex-agnostic with a marked up ankle. Though it seems to me that if one wishes to make a point, it's probably best not to lead off with a sentence like "You're an idiot" lest one's interlocutor be left with the impression that one was looking in a mirror when typing.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
You're an idiot. Why don't you do something better with your time? It cracks me up that you are on such an anti-Jesus "crusade" in the first place.... why do people like you wanna waste your breath in voicing your totally unphilosophical opinions,when you're not persuading anybody to go in your direction..you're far too boring to listen to and you have no sense of humor in your words.. trust me,I'm an ex-agnostic with a Bad Religion tattoo on my ankle,and yeah,you gotta have an open heart &mind.
Cecilialea81 3 months ago
@Cecilialea81 "trust me, I'm an ex-agnostic with a Bad Religion tattoo on my ankle"
You should have started your comment with an annoucement of these impressive credentials.
"you're far too boring to listen to"
So boring that you decided to take time to post your little rant. Then again, an ex-agnostic with a Bad Religion tat on her ankle must be so interesting that I suppose I should be honored you took some time out of your life in the intellectual fast lane to watch and comment.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
I've said it before, but it still amazes me that the only way christians can make their bible have any sense at all, is by indulging in fantastic mental gymnastics of wild interpretation and re-interpretatioin until it sort of fits what they want to believe.
They don't seem to get it, that if you start from the premise that god doesn't exist. Everything in the bible makes sense. It's just a story book of myths and legends. No more historically accurate than Homer's Odyssey
HonestMan395 3 months ago
@HonestMan395 The only way a person can be a modern, progressive individual AND a Christian is to ignore, reinterpret, or rephrase a majority of the stories, laws, and allegories in their holy book.
TheGeneralCritic 3 months ago
@TheGeneralCritic That's exactly what a lot of them do. The fundamentalists just metaphorically stick their fingers in their ears and go: "la la la la la", so they don't have to listen to anything.
Faith does not give you the answers; it just stops you asking the questions.
HonestMan395 3 months ago
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blackbat1339 4 months ago
@blackbat1339 So I've found out. I think it comes under the heading:
"If you can't stand the heat...."
It happens a lot with Christians.
Someone described the internet as the place where old Christians go to die.
HonestMan395 3 months ago
I think that what the first question was getting at was,"Why will God heal lepers, other disease sufferers, and accident victims, but not amputees?" Along with the scriptures about prayer, I would have asked zkueker88 "What makes a leper so much more special in God's eyes than an amputee?" Even if he managed to interpret his way around the scriptures, he would still be backed into a corner on the fairness issue.
jmg94j 4 months ago
@jmg94j I agree those arguments have merit, but I like how ProfMTH answered it too. I think his answers are more inclusive. The only real argument against it are either a translation error, or it being out of context. Both terrible arguments obviously, but the quote he used staves off almost any argument dealing with prayer. Jesus was talking out of his ass more or less is the gist of it, or he didn't exist.
Reip187 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ProfMTH
Just came back to look at some of your older stuff. It still holds up and is very good. Truth is always good. I see Zkueker88 has taken down his response video to the 10 questions every Christian must ask video. I was looking for his rhetorical nonsense.
bigboy45454545 4 months ago
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Lies In The Textbooks: /watch?v=cv__yQhtAb0
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007thinkagain 4 months ago
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boldhero44 2 months ago
@boldhero44
I don't have time to waste on brain wanking bullshit.
saintpine 2 months ago
@saintpine lol...... then bow down to your ''science'' priest gods...lol
boldhero44 2 months ago
@boldhero44says the bloke useing science technology to make a point, well done champ [wink]
kram83au 1 month ago
@kram83au hahahahahaha.....ok worm(textbooks are teaching us that they are our grandpa, so no hard feelings).. be careful when you go to a walk, don't step on your great grandpa(rock/street...from which life ''evolved'')...LOL
boldhero44 1 month ago
@boldhero44 what the. .facepalm.
kram83au 1 month ago
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boldhero44 1 month ago
@boldhero44 Have you even taken one minute to think about what you typed? In this one comment you:
1) Conflate evolution with abiogenesis
2) Get abiogenesis completely wrong
3) Present an ad hominem attack as a serious argument
4) Get evolution wrong
5) Get temporal relations wrong
Either you are a troll, or you are an idiot. I'll let you pick, though regardless you will be humiliated and utterly destroyed.
onijester56 4 weeks ago
@onijester56 -The Age Of The Earth: youtube.com/watch?v=hyLAdo1INck
-The Garden Of Eden: youtube.com/watch?v=XbbnevDWv6I
-Dragons(or ‘’dinosaurs’’) in History: youtube.com/watch?v=SvrAINXKs6U
-Lies In The Textbooks: youtube.com/watch?v=MZsB0fFlde8
-The Dangers Of This Theory: youtube.com/watch?v=E2QA9iuv2nA
-The Logical ’’Theory’’: youtube.com/watch?v=TzG4CPwuKMU
-Questions & Answers:
Part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=ulp9CekKqNE
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=p3CIuhBSR8E
boldhero44 4 weeks ago
@boldhero44
Refute Age of the Earth: watch?v=TNZCcTcOPV0
" Garden of Eden: watch?v=LF97vkjP9oM
" Lies in the Textbook: Rational Wiki has a good analysis
You use Kent Hovind lectures. Hovind has NO scientific knowledge and openly lies to support his position against the evidence. His videos ignore basic science and call for you to ignore reality, to say nothing of the mountains of peer-reviewed articles, studies, and experiments which defeat his claims.
onijester56 4 weeks ago
@onijester56 youtube.com/user/boldhero44?feature=mhee#p/c/41F271A846150C65
boldhero44 4 weeks ago
@boldhero44 Carley had her medical license revoked in 2004 for practicing medicine with a mental disability. The court records make clear just how mentally disabled she was. Her mental condition hasn't seemed to improved much since then so her 2008 presentation isn't going to be much helpful.
That said, she is wrong off-the-bat: Vaccines are not linked to Chronic diseases:
Pediatrics Digest and Respiratory Reviews both have articles against her.
(cont)
onijester56 4 weeks ago
(cont)
Now, articles do accept the importance of timing. Improper vaccination timing (such as vaccination too early) CAN lead to chronic diseases (Pubmed 21575714). And occasionally the pathogens co-evolve (21233019), usually when improperly timed. However baring those (and the latter is a minority), even thimerosal-containing vaccines are predominately risk-free (22184954). Therapeutic vaccinations can even counter cancer (21702656) and other chronic diseases (21893545).
Your tangent fails.
onijester56 4 weeks ago
whats the song in the beginning?
zazzeyzaz 4 months ago
@zazzeyzaz Blondie's "The Hardest Part"
ProfMTH 4 months ago
My son, give attention to my words, incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes, keep them in the midst of your heart. For they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh [Proverbs 4:20-22, NKJV]. healing all flesh, that would include aumputees.
Ulfvaldr2012 5 months ago
hahahaha that other guy deleted his video! he is soo wrong!
krandaman1 5 months ago
@thesoundoftruth1 Fuck you and your homophobic bigotry, shitface. :)
Drgamedood 5 months ago
@Drgamedood ya that helps
johnnythesailorman 4 months ago
A rhetorical question can sometimes be extremely effective for bouncing ideas and fixing faulty arguments (Socratic method). As an agostic atheist I must say that God's arch enemy is religion as most religions have terrible arguments to support his existence and without those there would be a lot less atheists as explaining the start of life is so hard.
ZeroIsMany 5 months ago
@thesoundoftruth1 "your behavior makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE now that I figured out you are a homo ... go listen to some Judy Garland... Queen"
Wow, ad hominem and hackneyed old gay stereotypes are the best you can do? How pathetic, moronic, and hilarious! LOL. Now it seems almost cruel that I told you fuck off. You're a sad case. Nevertheless, fuck off.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@thesoundoftruth1 "It looks like you actually put a lot of time and thought into something you find silly. That life beyond youtube seems to really keep you away."
You need to make up your mind. 1st you assert that I'm not spending enough time here and, therefore, not getting back to you quickly enough. Now you suggest that I spend too much time on YouTube. Any port in an apologetic storm, eh? In any case, if you've given up on even trying to be substantive, then don't waste time posting.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@thesoundoftruth1 "you are taking quite a long time to respond"
lol Well, apparently unlike your other interlocutors, I have a life beyond YouTube. So, I'm not just sitting around staring at the computer, eagerly awaiting messages from you (or anyone else) to which I can respond.
"i really do not even remember the context of your question"
Here's a funny YouTube feature: one can just scroll up and reread the comment in which I asked the question. The fact is you don't have an answer.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
(con't) @thesoundoftruth1 "Now get lost, 'professor.'"
You initiated this exchange, douchebag. If you can't see it through, that's not my problem. Fuck off.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@thesoundoftruth1 "I have seen more than one person reject cancer treatment and only pray to be healed and it was done."
How many? What sort of cancer? How far along was it? Had they received any treatment? What did the physicians say?
"A true follower is not going to request vanity."
You're avoiding the question I asked you. Does a "true follower" get everything s/he requests in prayer?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
Another question - Why does God have a 'chosen people', the Jews, and in the old testament, this gave them the right to go kill thousands of innocent people just because they weren't of God's chosen people. Isn't that just a form of Nazism? The Israelites thinking they're better than everyone else cause God likes them and killing innocent people who God apparently doesn't like no different to Germans killing innocent Jews and other minorities because they think they're racially superior?
hedbangr141 5 months ago
@hedbangr141 Also, before anyone mentions this, I know the Holocaust was obviously on a much larger scale than what the Israelites did but they just had swords and spears. I'm sure if they'd had guns and gas chambers in ancient Israel they would have been just as bad as the Nazis.
hedbangr141 5 months ago
@thesoundoftruth1 "I have seen plenty of people healed (maybe not amputees.)"
"Maybe not amputees"? I take that to mean you've never seen an amputee healed. Tell me, if you would, please, precisely what divine healings *have* you witnessed?
"A true follower will be in tune with the Holy Spirit and know the things he/she should be praying for and requesting."
So, everything a "true follower" requests in prayer is received?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
The slavery passages alone should make any self respecting MORAL Christian give up his faith and know NO all loving, all knowing being helped write the bible. WE today know slavery of any kind is wrong, to ratonalize it that it was part of the times is just plain silly and frankly an immoral response. An all knowing god would have made it illegal, just like he made silly things like working on the Sabbath wrong. Again a thinking person would know these are the products of near minded men.
easeconnect 5 months ago
I love the incredible rationalizing twists and turns and Cognitive Dissonance believers go through to make themselves feel good and not really answer these questions.
easeconnect 5 months ago
LMFAO
I'd never actually heard that quote from the bible before about god saying he creates evil. That's fucking hilarious.
TatsujinSan 5 months ago
@TatsujinSan Yahweh is a hoot. :-)
ProfMTH 5 months ago
Notice the dots in the quotes, he left crucial parts out. Therefore he gains a meaning not intended by the verses themselves.
Randomemailer54 5 months ago
@Randomemailer54 Feel free to point out what I left out and why it is significant.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH This book was made easily understood for their culture, therefore He adapted his teachings into terms they would understand. As culture was different then, no modern views on ethics would be relevant, therefore the slavery argument is quite null. As for the "Why won't god heal amputees", he will not always heal the problems brought up by our human flaws directly related from our fall (Adam and Eve). Their prayers may be answered in a different way, never is a prayer unanswered, ever.
Randomemailer54 5 months ago
@Randomemailer54 1) Slavery argument is NULL? - Working in the Sabbath = Death, Keeping Slaves = Death for the attempt - There was cruelty for insignificant things - Why NOT slavery which is significant?
2) If there no perceivable thing that has happened, what can be claimed to have been answered with regard to any prayer? (I am thinking about the prayers to the milk carton here...)
3) What is directly associated with the "fall" other than sin?
MyContext 5 months ago
@Randomemailer54 Slavery argument null?? That is a null response and frankly just plan silly. God banned a bunch of things that were silly and far less important than slavery. Never does he say or imply that his rules are constrainted by the culture and time period. His word is supposed to be forever, and he should not care about human culture. So why does he not only not ban slavery but promotes it? You need to ask why this is....
easeconnect 5 months ago
@ProfMTH Sorry that reply was irrelevant, the bible verses gist was your prayers shall always be answered. Of course it shall not always be answered in the way you wish it to be. Also, "In order to reap the field, one must sow the seed." (grossly misquoted I know, and I apologize) No evidence of his miracles? I do not really believe any remains of the healed would be noticed at this time, nor would any other things.
Randomemailer54 5 months ago
@ProfMTH The Bible is mostly in chronoligical order, therefore the verse "When 2 or 3 people are gathered in my name, I shall be in their midst." was after, not before he was crucified, therefore his physical restrictions of being human would have indeed applied at the time. He meant, not to be physically eaten, but have his teachings (he was a teacher) eaten. As I have before claimed, the culture was different then. Cannibalism was not really in their minds, as the very notion was preposterous.
Randomemailer54 5 months ago
the acts of healing and miracles were for unbelieving jews..THE JEWS REQUIRE A SIGN.....as god turns to us gentiles....its all faith.....till the tribulation.GOD DOES WHAT HE WANTS....WHEN HE WANTS..and does not consult with you about it.your task......if you got any moxie....is to get over yourself long enough to find him......
jonniec7 5 months ago
You silly atheist your kidding me these aren't question these have already been answered that's why I can't stand you silly atheists.
IfinduIgetu 5 months ago
9: Like I said we can't fully understand God and I actually agree with that crazy guy with no good responses, Jesus was probably speaking in symbols.
02684139755 5 months ago
7:
History washes away many things. We have no idea how the egyptians really did anything (don't lie we don't we just think we do. Really we're just geussing) still.
02684139755 5 months ago
Don't know what 4 is.
And for 5... I got nothing... Christians... just no.
02684139755 5 months ago
3. God tried something else first. He tried to simply KILL and Eradicate all unpure things... (maybe... but then again God loves us all?) but in the end it didn't work so he decided to just kill us all and start over. But Jesus saved us for our sins blah blah blah blah
(I'm not sure why I'm doing this but I love a good debate).
02684139755 5 months ago
2. So you probably all know that Lucifer was removed from God's Grace and became Satan.
Well the evil in the world is caused by him, God's meaning of I create Peace and evil. (God' makes mistakes too, anybody remember the leviathan? During the 7 days of creation God got a little too creative.)
God can't directly fight Lucifer with either:
a. Obliderating the Earth with his awesome powers cause their too awesome.
b. (Since God is subtle too) result in the deaths of too many people.
02684139755 5 months ago
I am however going to answer the questions.
1. Why God shouldn't Heal Amuptees. (Touches very Slightly on Christian Theology)
God doesn't want people to know for sure he exists. As stupidly qouted from christians *Without Faith I am Nothing* so maybe he'll answer some of their prayers with prostetics. And also there is most likely a limit to what and who he gives to to limit GREED.
02684139755 5 months ago
Okay. I'm not even a beliver and I'm not going to use things from the Bible because the Bible is serverely MESSED UP.
I personally think that if God were real and he managed to CREATE us then well we have no idea of the scope of his vision (like thoughts not prophecy junk) and the Bible are just Human interperetation of it.
Also through centuries of translation some of the meaning is no doubt lost.
02684139755 5 months ago
God does heal all amputees, and all other diseases. It happens the moment you 'die' and leave this world of obstruction and enter the permanent life.
k0smon 6 months ago
@k0smon That whole CONTEXT bullshit really is convenient for you...isn't it. How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is correct? Oh, you've been "guided by the spirit"...right? How do you explain dedicated Christians who have a different interpretation of scripture than you do? Oh, I guess they are being deceived by DEMONS or simply haven't received the spirit as you have. How lucky you are to be one of god's chosen ones.
Reggie1971 5 months ago
@Reggie1971 :::Are you dingy? I think the bible is a rather poor book and is not 'the word of God". I believe that Jesus was a myth, and the trinity is not real. I do believe in the Creator, the Architect of the Universe.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon I think your comment is "dingy" and ill thought out. Never did I say that I accepted the bible as "God's Holy Word". I simply pointed out that many different Christians have many different interpretations.
That is one indication that the text is faulty. I'm a Deist by the way.
Reggie1971 5 months ago
those are actually pretty true tough questions for christians but this zkreuker88 guy is frankly ignorant.
MarineMike97 6 months ago
1: if god healed amputees and other people with disabilities it would defy the whole point of living to experience life to the fullest through the happiest moments, to the most horrible, if he didnt he wouldnt even have created us.
MarineMike97 6 months ago
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Why wont God heal amputees? Because of the Law of Karma, Karma is the only way to have a Good creator at the same time as perfect justice, you answer your own prayers. You are not punished For your sins, your punished By your sins.
"Virtue in distress and vice in triumph Makes atheists of Mankind."
Alkhemist10 6 months ago
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Alkhemist10 6 months ago
i would like to point out that there are answers to these questions and they are not so hard to answer when one has a cursory knowledge of language, and the bible. you must also understand that the new and old testament are written to different groups of people and with different intentions. i do not own a video camera and since i am only allowed to comment a limited amount of characters, i cannot answer them here. if any one is actually interested in hearing these answers just reply.
420hulksmash 6 months ago
Awesome!!
leeroynaggins 6 months ago
@leeroynaggins Thanks.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
62 sheople believe in LIES!
Thunderfingers999 6 months ago
Prof, did Zkueker88 ever respond to this video? Did he at least comment here? You so pwned him.
CeaselesslyCurious 6 months ago
@CeaselesslyCurious He did respond, via video. He has since taken it down. It wasn't very good, so his removing it was understandable.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@gininginin . I obviously don’t think murder is the only solution to every infraction; I deplore it when innocents are killed and don’t wish even the most evil to die at the hands of humans, but come on, God couldn’t lock them all in jail. He knows all. His reasoning may not always be so clear to us as He is infinite, but we should always trust His moral perfection; we shouldn’t point the finger at Him, especially when we have the comprehension of ants in comparison.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
@gininginin As for a non-lethal punishment- well, what do you propose? What suffering could be great enough to change the hearts of thousands to millions of people from evil without killing any? And suffering also has the habit of making us curse God as well as kneel down in repentance. If one small-scale traumatic experience you suffered made you want to scream at the sky, many would curse God as well as repent at the punishment He might have purposed.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
@gininginin and Gomorrah were they deserved His Judgment. Think about the supposed alternatives you offered- in order for there to be forgiveness, there must be repentance, if God just forgave people of being demented and deranged without there being a bit of remorse on their part for the evil or a change of their hearts, then God has done nothing for the society but condone their own criminal behavior.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
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MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
Christians do not have to answer anything..We know what we believe..You are just blinded to the truth..God is not a genie and he does not have to do anything..Wow you sure like to twist the Bible verses..Satan sure has you blinded..
blitznk9 6 months ago
@blitznk9 "God is not a genie and he does not have to do anything" wait ... so we don't have to pray to the dude? choice!
datKidwilliaM 6 months ago
@datKidwilliaM Thats right you don't have too..I do and you should though..
blitznk9 6 months ago
@gininginin And it would be only fitting that the One who gave us life should have the right to take it; He addressed to humans not to murder; as it would be taking the life God gave to men.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
@MrEmadshalabi
"And it would be only fitting that the One who gave us life should have the right to take it"
"What do you think He should have done? Found a way to murder all the wicked adults in the world"
You condone mass murder. You are immoral according to any our society's standard. What should He have done you ask? How about forgive, or a non-lethal punishment? Is your mind that simple that you cannot think of any other form of justice, let alone *justify* a murderous God? Horrible.
gininginin 6 months ago
@gininginin A jury cheers when a convict who has committed all sorts of abominable things to innocent people is sentenced to death by a judge, are they immoral; they cheered when a human authority condoned a murder of an evil man who has done horrible things with no remorse. If any of the societies my "murderous" God put to death were alive and unchanged then all of our modern societies would be begging for military action.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
@gininginin I don’t condone when humans kill humans, especially the innocent, as it is not their place to take life, especially the lives of good, undeserving people. God is the one in control, He is the creator, He is the higher authority who always wants people to repent and reform or face punishment. Think about it, God has on many occasions begged human societies to repent and turn good and if they did, as Nineveh did, He spared them, if they were as cold-hearted and unrighteous as Sodom-
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
@MrEmadshalabi
"God is the one in control"
I don't believe your God exists. What I see is a lot of people killing in the name of their vengeful god, just like the israelites did against their neighbours.
"and Gomorrah were they deserved His Judgment"
Your argument is invalidated by the New Testament. You and your religion contradict yourselves.
" I obviously don’t think murder is the only solution to every infraction;"
You just explained situations where you approve mass murder. Despicable. Bye
gininginin 6 months ago
@MrEmadshalabi As I stated, I don't believe a god exists. All I see is people using the "authority" they imbued themselves, claiming to God's work, to exercise and condone criminal activities. It's all over the Bible, just read Judges or Kings. The bible stories teach you to obey power (Might makes Right) so you do not see how immoral that is.
Test it - change your comment like this: replace God by "Allah" or any other deity, and recite that comment to a friend, and ask him what he thinks.
gininginin 6 months ago
God is not an advocate of murder and speaks against killing "innocent" people many times. In fact, when He was destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, He promised Abraham He would spare the entire city if ten righteous people were found living in it. In all the cases where He commanded death, He spared the lives of those that were innocent such as Lot and his family and Noah along with his family.
I will come back later to answer the rest of the questions.
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
@MusicofBroadway
"He would spare the entire city if ten righteous people were found living in it."
But He didn't spare anyone in that story. He murdered everyone, that's advocating alright.
"Noah along with his family."
So every other single person was 'guilty', even the babies? Hilarious.
Even if THAT was true, he still advocated murder by performing it in those stories (which we know are just tales anyway). And you forgot about deaths advocated in Joshua, Judges, Kings, etc. Read the book.
gininginin 6 months ago
@gininginin Actually, He spared Lot and his family. Also, I did not forget the other stories, but I don't have enough time to address every story of death in the Bible in youtube comments.
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
@gininginin What do you think He should have done? Found a way to murder all the wicked adults in the world, and leave the babies and little children in an empty world to fend for themselves, eventually die off or become savages and restart their fathers wicked traditions of idol worship and human and animal sacrifice to gods such as Moloch? The idea of a God leaving those children to die as orphans and suffer alone or resurrect the evil world He first inflicted punishment on is ludicrous.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
"But He didn't spare anyone in that story. He murdered everyone, that's advocating alright." As no one in Sodom and Gomorrah was righteous; all of the men in the town wanted to rape angels because they shape-shifted into humans; what good could possibly have been in that town? And are you judging God for being God? What would you prefer Him to do with the constantly wicked, let them alone? What justice would come of that? They would keep being evil and unrepentant.
MrEmadshalabi 6 months ago
@MrEmadshalabi
Here, do a test. Write a list of evil things a powerful deity (hypothetical) could do. Do it in detail. Think of the worst crimes against humanity. When you are done, keep the list untouched and read the bible. All of it.
When you are done, check your list. Then come back here and tell me if you can one (yes, ONE) item in that list that Yahweh has not done or condoned. Nobody has answered me yet.
gininginin 6 months ago
@gininginin I did not "forget" about those stories, but I can't address every instance of death in the Bible. People dying in wars is not the same as murder. Anyway, I don't know how many people were living in the time of the flood. Perhaps there weren't many people and maybe there were no babies (even though that is unlikely). I can't speak for God, but I do know that He does not advocate murder. He never kills unnecessarily and he instructs us not to murder.
MusicofBroadway 4 months ago
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@MusicofBroadway
"but I do know that He does not advocate murder."
No, you probably just believe that he doesn't. For you to *know*, you need to FIRST define what would it take for you to convince yourself that 'God advocates murder', and THEN read the bible seeking for passages. If *nothing* can ever convince you that God advocates murder, then you don't truly know. You just have blind faith.
gininginin 4 months ago
To summarize, there is starving because their is suffering, and there is suffering because of man.
3. Well, I don't really believe God demanded for innocent people to be killed, but as there are many cases of war and death within the Bible, I would have to be pointed to a specific example of God commanding for an innocent person to be killed. I would also need a definition of the word "innocent." I believe all the killing that God commanded to be done was all for a cause.
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
2. It is my understanding that there are starving people in the word because we live in a word full of sin. In God's original plan for us, there would be no starving people but original sin changed that. It is because our world is cursed and men are inherently sinful that people suffer. God does not do evil, but He doesn't always prevent it. In many cases, starvation is a consequence of man's actions.
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
There is also the matter of unanswered prayers that you brought up. I don't think the Bible is so black and white that the verses mean you ask and you get. I believe it is more complex than that. God also knows what is best for us and it is His will that is going to be done. And sometimes, we do get what we ask for but it may not be how we expected or when we expected, but this does not mean the prayer is unanswered.
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
Amputation can be a life-saving procedure. However, if the question being asked is why doesn't God just grow the limb back, well, that is different. I can't always why God does what He does, I can only see how what He does effects people's lives. If someone is an amputee, it reasonable to assume that they will not be gaining back their lost limb, but that does not mean they are not healed. I believe God can and does heal amputees even if He doesn't do it in the way that we would wish.
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
I am willing to share my understanding of the "answers" to these questions as best I can but I am merely a student and still learning. I admit, there are many things about God I do not understand myself, and I ask some of the same questions, but I also have some opinions as to what the answers may or may not be.
1. It's sort of difficult to answer the first question when we have no definition of the word "heal." Sometimes, amputation is a form of healing. Continued....
MusicofBroadway 6 months ago
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0gods 6 months ago
Why does god kill thousands of people each year with natural disasters?
Why did god create so many parasites/diseases which we have no defence against except modern science/medicine if he loves us?
Why would god create man with original sin, and make a place for us to burn in hell, unless we accept the highly unlikely story of his self-sacrifice to himself to absolve us of the original sin he obviously intended us to have?
Asking any real question about god shows how religion is illogical.
1trilop2 7 months ago
buahahahaha...hihihi...hehehehe...hohohoho..wuahahahaha...the truth is not found in intelligence...but anyway...keep going..blind asking the blind for directions.
ufimounga 7 months ago
got a question for you..seed & fish ??whats the hebrew symbol?..ko koe okuke kui...what language ?..which was here first light or darkness?? Castro? which helps with castro??fish oil??chewing gum or potatoes
ufimounga 7 months ago
got a question for you..seed & fish ??whats the hebrew symbol?..ko koe okuke kui...what language ?..which was here first light or darkness?? Castro? which helps with castro??fish oil??chewing gum or potatoes
ufimounga 7 months ago
It seem to me atheists always have the upper hand in any religious argument. Most atheist know the bible better than the average christian, therefore, the atheist is using the christian's own ammunition against them. Also, if an atheist makes an air-tight point, a christian will usually not accept it. Most atheist are open-minded enough to accept a christian's logical point when it's in front of them... as rare as that might happen. THE LOGICAL ARGUMENT ALWAYS WINS!
sparks277 7 months ago
Prt 6: For a comprehensive analysis of Johannine theology see Raymond E. Brown's two volume commentary and translation of the Gospel of John (Anchor Bible commentary series).
ors712 7 months ago
@ors712 Is it your contention that (Father) Raymond Brown believed that the fourth gospel provided no support for the so-called "Real Presence" of Jesus in the Christian Eucharist/Communion?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@ProfMTH Part 1: That is not my contention. Brown is of the persuasion that 6:51-58 refer to the Eucharist primarily in that verse 51 is a preservation of the original institution of the Eucharist presented in the synoptics now expressed in the language of the Johannine author. Verse 51: "The bread i shall give is my own flesh for the life of the world." (see Matt 26:26-28)
ors712 7 months ago
@ProfMTH Part 2: Because John speaks of "flesh" instead of "body" (as the Synoptics do) it is not implausible to assert that John is the closest of the Gospels to preserving the original Eucharistic language of Jesus being that 6:51 resembles a Eucharistic formula. Brown also puts forth that 6:35-50 (being secondary evidence) also carries eucharistic associations for early Christian audiences due to the mention of manna (see 1 Cor 10:1-4).
ors712 7 months ago
@ProfMTH Part 3: As for the real presence of Jesus. Brown notes that John's Eucharistic language have OT paralells (Wisdom literature) which make them intelligible to the audience portrayed in the scene, namely, that divine word and wisdom are presented under symbolism of food or bread (See Amos 8:11-13, Prov 9:5, Sir 15:3). I believe that Father Raymond Brown believes that John's Gospel provides adequate support for the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
ors712 7 months ago
@ors712 "That is not my contention."
Good.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
Part 5: It is clear that anyone who has the honesty to read verses in their contexts would soon find these objections to be inadequate and unworthy of consideration or scholary attention. John's gospel speaks in abstract language of truth/ falsehood, light/darkness , bread/living water etc. If one reads 6:60 John basically tells the reader how one should NOT interpret the saying of Jesus in 53-56. But that would involve additional reading and thought, we can't have that now can we?
ors712 7 months ago
Part 4: 6:51: " I am the bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever"(cross reference Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman) 4:10: " If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you LIVING WATER." Verse 13: "Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst the water i give him will be a spring welling upto eternal life
ors712 7 months ago
Part 3: 6:35 " I am the bread of life, he who COMES TO ME will never go hungry and he who BELIEVES in me will never be thirsty." This passage is self explanatory and strangely enough, all one has to do is read the verses 53-56 to gain perspective and theological insight into Jesus' words. Verse 40; "For my Father's will is that everyone that LOOKS TO THE SON (eats) and BELIEVES (drinks) shall have eternal life." This verse is a second confirmation of verse 35.
ors712 7 months ago
Part 2: Before we approach 6:53-56 lets begin earlier in the chapter with a few verses, which read in context will illuminate the theology of verse 53-56 adequately. Verse 27: " Do not work for food that spoils but for food that endures to eternal life which the son of man will give you." All food spoils naturally. However, spiritual food (fulfillment) preserves, sustaines and increases through faith.
ors712 7 months ago
Part 1: I'm under the impression that ProfMTH is more intelligent than the source which originally presented these arguments, irrespective of his refusal to address these arguments in any scholarly fashion and instead stick to his regular agenda of allowing bad exegesis to stand in order to continually support his atheism/agnosticism . If scholarship and theology mean anything to ProfMth im sure he will find my explanation more than sufficient. stay tuned
ors712 7 months ago
Make sure you pray to the east if you want your prayers to come true, Sun worshippers. Lol!
creamone 7 months ago
For example,
"And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6). PART 3 (Carm.org)
TheCh1212 7 months ago
Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. PART 2
TheCh1212 7 months ago
the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.
"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," Part 1
TheCh1212 7 months ago
2.For the "God creates evil" Evil is translated from the Hebrew "rah" means alot of things besides evil and given the CONTEXT of the passage it means Calamity rather than evil.
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@TheCh1212 "...given the CONTEXT of the passage it means Calamity rather than evil."
What's the basis for that claim?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@ProfMTH the basis for the claim that CH1212 has comes from the Strong's dictionary and concordance. the word "evil" in that passage comes from the Hebrew word Rah which is Strong's number H7451 which can mean a moral evil or a natural "evil" or given the context a calamity. if you are reading from the KJV translation you will see the word "evil" but if you read a better translation such as the NIV it will say calamity. you basically have to learn the Hebrew and Greek for the best understanding
sdc123ful 7 months ago
@sdc123ful "a better translation such as the NIV"
On what basis do you conclude that the NIV has translated this "better"?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@ProfMTH my conclusion really isnt "my own" but in agreement with most modern day theologians. when you study the Hebrew for yourself and begin to understand the meaning of those words and their definitions, and then read differing translations you can see for yourself that there are poor translations. the point im trying to get across is this: one pretty much has to learn the ancient Hebrew and Greek to get a better understanding of the Bible. thats most pastors today learn them in seminary.
sdc123ful 7 months ago
@sdc123ful "my conclusion really isnt "my own" but in agreement with most modern day theologians"
"[M]ost modern day theologians" believe the NIV is the better translation? How do you know this?
"one pretty much has to learn the ancient Hebrew and Greek to get a better understanding of the Bible"
And that's what you've done?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
1.Yes Jesus DID say that,but its not up for you and me to give God a TIME LIMIT to complete His will for us on ANYTHING. If you DO believe IN FAITH that God WILL heal you in Jesus's Name then you obviously have enough faith to believe He is the one true God and will obtain eternal life with Him in Heaven THUS Jesus's promise that whatever you ask and believe IS TRUE. its a matter of WHEN and NOT by OUR standards.
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@TheCh1212
That's quite convenient, not to mention it doesn't make any sense.
KLSeba 7 months ago
@KLSeba i would think so since the Cross and its message are foolishness to those who are perishing(1Corinthians 1:18) Jesus said our reward is the Kingdom of Heaven,yet did the apostles get any Kingdom of Heaven in their ministry? with most of them dying in the most horrible fashions you COULD say that Jesus was lying. But Jesus also said if you DIE for me you will LIVE FOREVER. You can have broken legs and pray and you still be crippled,but God has made His promise in (Rev 21:4-7)
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@KLSeba (Continued) God is not a genie who we can call on whenever we want something,but it is by HIS will WHEN it will be done. Plus the Bible clearly says that those who ask with their own wrong motives wont get their prayers answered (James 4:3)
TheCh1212 7 months ago
To actually answer the questions require the Christians to actually think out the answers instead of spouting the religious line. Something that is nearly impossible for most, I emphasize MOST, cannot do.
HimesInu 7 months ago
bequeef
themooddisorders 7 months ago
Might as well ask questions like... "Does ProfMTH's mother know he's really a christian?"
clay200303 7 months ago
@clay200303 What?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
Concerning the eating the body and drinking the blood; brace yourself if you haven't heard this, but David Icke and others now have reported that the reptillian race require human body and blood to keep up their strength. Me thinks there could be a connection here. Wondering what others think on this matter.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox I think you and Icke are batshit insane, that's what I think.
fragman08 6 months ago
@fragman08 Well, thanks for taking the time to communicate with someone who is completely out of their mind. And you are so kind too. Even though I know nothing about you, since you didn't comment on why you think I'm insane and then took the 8 seconds to insult me, really says something about your abilities and capabilities. Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on your superior intellect and at least insult me with a concrete concept. Come on young man what's your problem?
rovingdesertfox 6 months ago
@rovingdesertfox My comment was not unsolicited. You asked what others though, so I provided an answer.
fragman08 6 months ago
@fragman08 Just because a subject sounds impossible does not mean it is so. Won't we BOTH be surprised should it turn out to be true? Maybe you're not familiar with Mr. Icke.
rovingdesertfox 6 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Your initial comment is so matter-of-fact concerning some "reptillian race" that you seem to think it a given.
fragman08 6 months ago