Hindemith is for me one of the greatest composers ever. It takes a little time to understand some of his music, much of which is played by bad musicians (sorry). One great work of his is Herodiade.
Hindemith is a veteran of the socalled "Neue Sachlichkeit" or "New Objectivity" of the 1920´s Germany,meaning no more pathos and fresh air - without rejecting tonality, as opposed to the late-romanticism of Strauss,Schreker,Zemlinsky and the early Schönberg. It´s truly thrilling to see such a veteran looking slightly youngish on a 60´s film!
my opinion,why HINDEMITH is not played or known,first,he is very difficult to play,as musician friends have told me.second,he was a literal genius,and few comprehend his visionary music,like trying to play,and make a five year old love jazz and stravinsky.the tired baroque formats of most all classical radio,concerts,ect,appeal to those who first,never heard of hindemith,and the others who enjoy idiotic simple non complex music,like mozart,chamber music,old,or CHAMBERPOT MUSIC TO ME
Whatever you think of his music, Hindemith was by every meaningful yardstick phenomenally gifted. Anyone who's played and studied his music can testify to his total mastery of counterpoint and the validity of his harmonic synthesis of every dissonance and consonance into a viable music language that has influenced everyone since. I've played two of his piano sonatas and sung his vocal music; I knew a violinist who said he was a better conductor than Boulez after working under both.
History has not "judged" Hindemith because it is fluid and the opinions of would-be judges never are. Centuries must pass before anyone can claim to be reasonably objective, and even then, fashion will obtrude.
100 years into the future memories our youtube "experts" will all fade into nothingness. Hindemith's music will still be performed and enjoyed, and thats what counts.
I have to say, I really enjoy listening to Hindemith. Yes, his style is quite different in comparison to other composers both from his day, and eariler, but that doesn't make it bad! ;) This is a very nice piece.
My favorite thing about this video is all of the men who are sitting there with their arms crossed doing nothing. It's the woodwind section! Instead of getting to exit the stage, they just had to sit there, and you can tell they are bored out of their skulls.
no question Hindemith is brilliant, and I absolutely love his music. BUT, despite revealing some of his intentions about what is important to him in his music, it is painful watching him conduct. He is technically not very good. I imagine the musicians were partially ignoring him.
no question Hindemith is brilliant, and I absolutely love his music. BUT, despite revealing some his intentions about what is important in to him in his music, it is painful watching him conduct. He is technically not very good. I imagine the musicians were partially ignoring him.
@tylerknowlton I don't entirely agree about his conducting. It's unorthodox in some ways, and there are slight problems of synchronisation which don't help with an assessment of his ability, but I reckon I could have followed most of what he was indicating without hesitation. He lets them get on with it & orchestral musicians love that. As to his music in more general terms, I find it formulaic, bombastic & unsympathetic. He ought to have stuck to the viola!
I was there many years ago...graduated in 1981, but I've continued to hear good things about the school and I enjoyed my time there. One of the things I liked was that we were given a lot of encouragement to do independent work and to try new things. Made for an exciting atmosphere.
@TheDavid2222 been worshiping his music since 64 a child in the mogollon rim area,at our cabin listening to classical in a hammock, a thunderstorm approached,i STILL REMEMBER fredrich fennel,eastman wind ensemble,"symphony in bflat",i was blown away,HINDEMITH IS A TRUE WIZARD,said he could play any instrument,and conducted frankfurt orchestra at 19,cabaret performer,friend of lotte lenya and kurt weill,WHEN YOU LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC,IT CONSTANTLY,ENDLESSLY METAMORPHASIZES WITH MELODIES ETERNAL
@alezander666 Oh, dear. I'm afraid there is another way of looking at his music and it's not very pretty. I've said how I respond elsewhere in this thread so you'll be able to look it up, but I summarise it in one word: tedious. I rank him with Reger and Busoni in the tedium charts. You find yourself thinking: When, oh when,will this bloody thing come to an end?
@peppersax Because you've stated it's "pure and simple GENIUS!!!" doesn't actually make it so. History has judged Hindemith and put his music into perspective. It is, currently, where it belongs, in my view. But that's all it is: my view. No capital letters, no exaggerated claims, no bad language, just a point of view from an educated musician who doesn't seek out Hindemith's works in the concert hall. I have no idea what Lady Ga Ga sounds like.
@Nai61a Let's hear what you can do. You seem to think that you're ABOVE THESE GREAT COMPOSERS, well let's hear something from your repertoire. And yes, I'm USING "CAPITAL LETTERS" AND "BAD FU*KING LANGUAGE!!!"
@peppersax Look, calm down. My list of GREAT COMPOSERS (your capitals) would not include Hindemith. Get over it. You are making a fool of yourself which is a pity because I guess you are both well-meaning and well-informed, not to mention enthusiastic.
@peppersax You expect me to provide evidence of my ability as a composer in order to support my criticism. Will you provide evidence of your similar ability in order to support your praise?
Can you imagine rehearsing with an orchestra that Paul Hindemith was conducting? At any moment he could have stopped the rehearsal, grabbed your instrument from you and played the part better than you could have! What a terror! What a joy!
@barrybfl@jlew180l Well, maybe not. But he COULD - Play the Strauss horn concerto with the orchestra as soloist - THEN play the Walton viola concerto (he performed the world premier) - AFTER INTERMISSION, he could have been the soloist for the Beethoven violin concerto - AND conduct "The Four Terperaments" from the keyboard. (If they were short-handed in the clarinet and percussion sections he could have filled in, as he studied both, too.)
Genuine, but not my style. Somhow I sort of agree with the "messy" statement, maybe it's too complicated for my ears. I like the music of Bach, Rachmaninoff or Shostakovich more. They're still extraordinarily complex, but much more apprehensible and comfortable to me.
mein Eindruck ist, daß R. Strauß,, Schönberg und eben auch Hindemith ihre eigenen Kompositionen viel weniger "modern" dirigiert haben als spätere Dirigenten. Furtwängler ist da eine positive Ausnahme. Es ist alles viel organischer...und auch feuriger, liebevoller. Kein zackiges, Pseudotransparenz schaffendes Herunterspielen. Liebe vor allem zur Melodie, trotz des polyphonen Grundcharakters von Hindemiths Stücken.
I love Hindemith's music, but I've always thought that one of the more endearingly geeky things about him is that he was a model train nut who apparently memorised the railway timetables for most of central Europe.
I see in some of the other comments that people are talking about Paul's playing as opposed to his musicianship.I am so fortunite to just see him direct his own muisic. I didn't get a chance to see him in person in ATLANTA or any other place but I just love most of his music.He along with William Schuman are two of my favorite composers of the 20th century.Praise the Lord that I now can see him and his music on "You tube".
Hello,I don't decoded his music or any music.If I like what I hear,I just like it.I was in the band in high school and college and I still love music.I like what I like and that's it.I don't decode it.If I like what I hear I continue listening to it and go back from time to time.Paul Hindemint's music is rough at times but I still like most of it.I can't make it any more clearer than that.I hope this helps you with what's bothering you about P.Hindemiths' music or any music of the same calibre.
Hello - what exactly do you feel you're not getting? I concede that this piece might not be a great place for a beginner to start listening to Hindemith. Try the Mathis der Maler symphony, the Symphonic Metamorphoses or the viola sonatas. If you don't get them, chances are you won't like any Hindemith.
@charmingemily Try to find older recordings of his music played by good musicians and you will hear the beauty. Sadly many want to record his music but cannot play it well. This is not unusual, the same problem exists with Bach!
thanks I'll try. like your 'Sadly many want to record his music but cannot play it well. This is not unusual, the same problem exists with Bach! ', I can totally understand you here.
In this fascinating discussion of what makes a good conductor, some people are forgetting that a large percentage of conducting skill is in the rehearsals. The performance can be shameless showmanship for the audience without disturbing the orchestra as long as the essential cues and tempos are clearly indicated. Hindemith was no showman, though - straight-forward musical direction, not too elegant, but gets a nice performance out of the orchestra.
Oh Stop it! Watch any orchestra...the musicians are not even looking at the conductor. You DO need him to know when to stop and begin together and that is when they are watching him. Also, since an orchestra is large, those one side cannot hear well those on the other side of room, so the conductor makes the decisions on volume put out by sections.
but you know...conducting at the stage what we see here isn't all "conducted by..." stands for ;) the less one does conducting life the more he might have done in the rehearsal so that he just needs to remind his orchestra ;) jumping up and down and making pathetique guestures or whatever is no indication for a special geniality...it just looks more interesting but that should not be hte most important thing here i guess ;)
Well, certainly too many bad musicians become conductors, or, in the case of Early Music, many excellent performers become conductors without taking the trouble to study the art. And believe me, it is an art. It's so much more than beating time - it's really about body language and, specifically, facial communication. If a conductor is worth watching, then she will be watched. And the best ones, in my experience, are opera conductors. Just some thoughts I share as a professional musician.
May I make a suggestion? Listen to what's happening, don't complain about the visuals. Is there anything to criticize the musical performance for? I don't think so.
It's certainly interesting to see Hindemith conducting; being a violist myself, I hear tales about how Hindemith was an average violist at best. But that's not saying a whole lot seeing as how he knew how to play basically every other instrument, which took away practice time from the viola. So he might not have been the best performer, but he certainly had an incredible sense of what it was to be a musician. Even if his technique isn't perfect, his musicality shows.
Actually, Hindemith was a virtuoso violist and violinist - he had a serious career as one pre-WW2 - and he could play the piano at concert level and every other instrument in the orchestra reasonably well, although he only learned them later on. He was famous as a brilliant performer before he ever became famous as a composer.
Hindemith did not need to be a "great" conductor. He had more understanding of music in his little finger than any other conductors. Hindemith was a real genius. By the way "Herodiade" I believe is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
Also, you must know that conducting is not that hard to do.
Conducting WELL is hard to do. Waving the baton is not that difficult (as long as you can move your arm, remember and maintain tempos, supply cues, and act quickly in emergency). But, interpreting the music, bringing out that interpretation, leading rehearsals, inspiring and connecting with the musicians, and most importantly remaining humble in a position of great power is actually very difficult. There are not many great conductors out there, I think, who fit all of these qualifications.
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The fact is, that there are not many conducting jobs available, so who is interested in making a career of it? That may be why so few are interested. The fact is that there are not enough educated musicians these days. Conducting is rather simple, so lets not make too much of it.
Ignorance is bliss. The only way conducting is "rather simple" is if you have no concept of what Muse-ic is, or you do not HEAR music; either sonorously or emotionally. I feel sorry for you that your world is so limited.
The other point is, since sound travels slowly, those on other side of room may misunderstand when the beat begins or ends. Did you ever notice that small groups do not need a conductor? Thats it in a nutshell. The problem is that bad musicians become conductors. When a good one is around we are in awe.
Chicago was one of the great orchestras in those days, but alas Hindemith was not one of the great conductors. There is a funny story of how Otto Klemperer got Walter Legge to hire Hindemith to conduct Beethoven's Ninth at a concert, with highly unsatisfactory results. Klemperer laughed about it for years.
Haha, I've not seen a clip of Hindemith in action before, but I notice that he has a baby face like Churchill. In fact he looks a bit like Churchill don't you think.
To me it seems so odd that Hindemith was hounded out of Germany by the gov't of the day for composing so-called entartete musik when, say, Carmina Burana was so well received. There's not such an enormous difference in style.
What a touchy regime Hitler's govt was ha?
But I suppose the fact that Hindemith made no secret of the fact that he thought Hitler was a jerk didn't exactly help.
During that time, Hindemith already had developed his personal style and ideas which clearly differed from the Nazi's love for simple harmonics and military march music. Also, his wife had a jewish background.
Actually, there's a significant difference. Hindemith's music involved many layers of counterpoint; Carmina Burana is almost entirely monophonic. Hindemith used a combination of secondal, tertian, and quartal harmony, whereas Carmina Burana uses only tertian harmony. Hindemith is extraordinarily complex; Carmina Burana, while a great piece, is so simplistic it's practically pop music.
Interesting. So it was that aspect, in part, that got up the nose/s of the Nazi government - its complexity? Hitler just couldn't get his head round it, so he called it entartete? What an odd fellow Hitler was ha.
You seem to know more about this than me, but from what you say would it be right to say that Hindemith's music is more like Tippett's then. T's music is often very contrapuntal. I guess the Nazis would have banned him too on the basis of enemy as much as entartete music(?)
Please upload the complete version of this fantastic piece, Hindemith was a genius and it doesn't show any more than in this concert music. Thanks for the snippet though.
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i wasn't angry, i just talk that way, phony. i'm not involved, in, because there's nothing to be in or outside of. this shit is just stupid; emperor's new clothes-type bullshit.
You want that? Check out pieces by John Cage. I've studied techniques taught by Hindemith, and there is NO randomness involved. He was just as methodical and controled as Mozart or Bach. Just because you don't like the sounds he made doesn't mean that they weren't skillfully done. On the other hand, maybe you're the type of person who likes 'Sexy can I', and in that case, I suggest you focus on graduating third grade.
One reason I think is that his music is often difficult to play. Also, there are a lot of low rate managers and uhhh, conductors! I think many orchestras cannot pull it off. Many members are not good players. In other words, the parts are too hard. I know Hindemiths music well.
That, is CSO at their best, especially that intimidating infamous soaring brass section, they will probably never reach that point again or at least for a long time.
That is clearly not true, other famous orchestras such as NY Phil, Cleveland, Philly, were much more proficient in the past. I do believe CSO, is not quite as proficient today, simply because the amount of stand out musicians are fewer in the orchestras today, that includes CSO, from 1953-62.
I don't think that's right because there are so many more quality musicians today that audition for the orchestras. Like in the 40's or 50's if they needed a tuba they would pretty much hire anybody who owned a tuba, but today over 100 college educated tuba players would audition. And that's just the tuba!
That true you've got a point, but I dought they would hire just anybody. it is still hard for me to believe that the CSO will match their prestige they held back then any time soon.
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'Messy' is the word I would use to describe Hindemith's music. It does nothing for me.If anything, listening to it makes me tense because it seems such a jumbled, artless mess. The occasional moments of inspiration that do appear in his music are very fleeting, and were never developed beyond very primitive stages. Such moments invariably disintegrate immediately anyway, leading into nothing but another completely random sound. A very primitive composer, hardly worth giving any time to IMO.
Messy? maybe you are not accustomed to listening to polyphony, keep after it, it will make more sense when you have invested some time in it. This of course is based on the assumption that you have an ear and musical taste.
@RCBrittain I am inclined to agree with your sentiments and am sorry to see that your comment has been hidden following negative voting. This aspect of Youtube's operation - voting up and down - is at its most absurd when applied to artistic judgments. I've written this elsewhere, but my adjectives to characterise Hindemith's music are: prosaic, bombastic, functional, formulaic, dull, amorphous. I could go on. This is only an opinion; others may disagree, but I hope they won't try to suppress.
That was wonderful... thank you vaimusic. Even the quality is good!!!! Do you have Hindemith's Mathis der Mahler? You guys are my new favorite YouTube posters!!!!
This video is really impressive. Hnidemith is a master in "Structural" Music. Chicago Brass and Strings are amazing. This music is purely a gift to my ear!
Are you nuts??...Jacobs was one of the greatest players and teachers ever..it really shows you have no concept of good taste or respect for one of the most revered players of all time...
Fame never equals quality... if you actually listened to his playing you would realize what I'm talking about. Wont knock his teaching though... truly top notch.
Insulting me doesn't help your argument, name a recording that you think Jacobs sounded good on and I'll show you at least one of the same decade (and dozens after) which has superior tuba playing on it. Jacobs was a revolutionary pedagogue but that brass players need to stop looking to his playing as some kind of model. Waren Deck, Mike Roylance, Gene Porkony, Floyd Cooley, Joe Novotny, and some of these younger guys like Craig Knox and Steve Dumaine... those are true orchestral musicians.
How's that, show me other examples from the 1950's that exceed these...
Look, I agree the other players you listed are/were quite excellent, but ask any of those players who their idol was and they will all say Jacobs. (maybe not Novotny as they were contemporaries)
I have to disagree, while I love many of the aforementioned tubists, Jacobs was/is superior to most all of them and for the few that pose any real competition, he is a challenging equal.
Orchestras will die at an even faster rate than they currently are if young musicians don't start looking at their technique and musicianship as well as those of others with a little less hero worship and a little more objectivity.
And you of course are an expert.... Where is your full time playing job? Stop acting like YOUR opinion of musicians and brass technique is all that matters....
Look, my original comment (the harshness of it anyway) was a joke for a friend of mine who passed the video on to me. My opinion of brass playing certainly doesn't matter much it's just disturbing that players go beyond respecting the past to the point of thinking that what they were doing is better than what's being done now and drawing themselves into very tight corners of ignorance regarding what can be done.
Mostly folks like the fella who commented just a few before me about how Reiner (even though this is Hindemith) and the CSO is a "perfect storm never to be repeated." That's absurd.
My God, what a recording; way better-sounding than nearly every CD in my collection. The acoustics in that place were obviously perfect, but so was the recording technology - it never needed to go any further than this.
And what an orchestra - insane.
As for the music, it gets serious only at about 3:20, and this isn't the best section in this piece, but it's definitely heavy-grade Hindemith; very spooky.
Hindemith is for me one of the greatest composers ever. It takes a little time to understand some of his music, much of which is played by bad musicians (sorry). One great work of his is Herodiade.
nauJRodriguez 1 month ago
What year was this?
therockhopper 2 months ago
Hindemith is a veteran of the socalled "Neue Sachlichkeit" or "New Objectivity" of the 1920´s Germany,meaning no more pathos and fresh air - without rejecting tonality, as opposed to the late-romanticism of Strauss,Schreker,Zemlinsky and the early Schönberg. It´s truly thrilling to see such a veteran looking slightly youngish on a 60´s film!
callasnuts 2 months ago
my opinion,why HINDEMITH is not played or known,first,he is very difficult to play,as musician friends have told me.second,he was a literal genius,and few comprehend his visionary music,like trying to play,and make a five year old love jazz and stravinsky.the tired baroque formats of most all classical radio,concerts,ect,appeal to those who first,never heard of hindemith,and the others who enjoy idiotic simple non complex music,like mozart,chamber music,old,or CHAMBERPOT MUSIC TO ME
alezander666 2 months ago
Whatever you think of his music, Hindemith was by every meaningful yardstick phenomenally gifted. Anyone who's played and studied his music can testify to his total mastery of counterpoint and the validity of his harmonic synthesis of every dissonance and consonance into a viable music language that has influenced everyone since. I've played two of his piano sonatas and sung his vocal music; I knew a violinist who said he was a better conductor than Boulez after working under both.
Fremglerk 2 months ago
History has not "judged" Hindemith because it is fluid and the opinions of would-be judges never are. Centuries must pass before anyone can claim to be reasonably objective, and even then, fashion will obtrude.
Fremglerk 2 months ago
100 years into the future memories our youtube "experts" will all fade into nothingness. Hindemith's music will still be performed and enjoyed, and thats what counts.
gsherlock 3 months ago
I have to say, I really enjoy listening to Hindemith. Yes, his style is quite different in comparison to other composers both from his day, and eariler, but that doesn't make it bad! ;) This is a very nice piece.
ILuvNymphadoraTonks 4 months ago
Like a BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DevinJMorrison 4 months ago
My favorite thing about this video is all of the men who are sitting there with their arms crossed doing nothing. It's the woodwind section! Instead of getting to exit the stage, they just had to sit there, and you can tell they are bored out of their skulls.
violinthief 6 months ago
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no question Hindemith is brilliant, and I absolutely love his music. BUT, despite revealing some of his intentions about what is important to him in his music, it is painful watching him conduct. He is technically not very good. I imagine the musicians were partially ignoring him.
tylerknowlton 7 months ago in playlist HINDEMITH Concert Music for Strings & Brass (1930)
no question Hindemith is brilliant, and I absolutely love his music. BUT, despite revealing some his intentions about what is important in to him in his music, it is painful watching him conduct. He is technically not very good. I imagine the musicians were partially ignoring him.
tylerknowlton 7 months ago in playlist HINDEMITH Concert Music for Strings & Brass (1930)
@tylerknowlton I don't entirely agree about his conducting. It's unorthodox in some ways, and there are slight problems of synchronisation which don't help with an assessment of his ability, but I reckon I could have followed most of what he was indicating without hesitation. He lets them get on with it & orchestral musicians love that. As to his music in more general terms, I find it formulaic, bombastic & unsympathetic. He ought to have stuck to the viola!
Nai61a 5 months ago
this clip is fantastic! i rate it 5 stars. just wish there were more like it to be seen.
ischerer 9 months ago
@brianwells456comcast. It's actually a very long thumbnail.
fremsley001 10 months ago
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brianwells456comcast 10 months ago
DAMN Mr. Herseth sound so CLEAR!!!
trumpetman 11 months ago
@PhillipPark90
I was there many years ago...graduated in 1981, but I've continued to hear good things about the school and I enjoyed my time there. One of the things I liked was that we were given a lot of encouragement to do independent work and to try new things. Made for an exciting atmosphere.
ancientwell 11 months ago
@PhillipPark90
I took Mel Powell's orchestration class at CalArts many years ago. He was a wonderful teacher.
ancientwell 11 months ago
great to have this on youtube. i like hindemith. he was a unique voice. instantly recognizable and his music transports me.
jamiebyrne77 1 year ago
Bud's watch says that it is 1:00 pm....heavy music for the early afternoon!!!
tonyztuba 1 year ago
It's great to hear something conducted by him because you know it's exactly the way he wanted it to be played. He SURE did look grumpy!
mediaman6 1 year ago
I am new to paul hindemith. So far I really love this composer!
TheDavid2222 1 year ago
@TheDavid2222 been worshiping his music since 64 a child in the mogollon rim area,at our cabin listening to classical in a hammock, a thunderstorm approached,i STILL REMEMBER fredrich fennel,eastman wind ensemble,"symphony in bflat",i was blown away,HINDEMITH IS A TRUE WIZARD,said he could play any instrument,and conducted frankfurt orchestra at 19,cabaret performer,friend of lotte lenya and kurt weill,WHEN YOU LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC,IT CONSTANTLY,ENDLESSLY METAMORPHASIZES WITH MELODIES ETERNAL
alezander666 1 year ago
@alezander666 Oh, dear. I'm afraid there is another way of looking at his music and it's not very pretty. I've said how I respond elsewhere in this thread so you'll be able to look it up, but I summarise it in one word: tedious. I rank him with Reger and Busoni in the tedium charts. You find yourself thinking: When, oh when,will this bloody thing come to an end?
Nai61a 5 months ago
No matter what anyone has posted negatively.........this is pure and simple, GENIUS!!!
I love this composer! So, FU** off all you morons! Go listen to Lady Ga Ga
peppersax 1 year ago 2
@peppersax Because you've stated it's "pure and simple GENIUS!!!" doesn't actually make it so. History has judged Hindemith and put his music into perspective. It is, currently, where it belongs, in my view. But that's all it is: my view. No capital letters, no exaggerated claims, no bad language, just a point of view from an educated musician who doesn't seek out Hindemith's works in the concert hall. I have no idea what Lady Ga Ga sounds like.
Nai61a 5 months ago
@Nai61a Let's hear what you can do. You seem to think that you're ABOVE THESE GREAT COMPOSERS, well let's hear something from your repertoire. And yes, I'm USING "CAPITAL LETTERS" AND "BAD FU*KING LANGUAGE!!!"
peppersax 5 months ago
@peppersax Look, calm down. My list of GREAT COMPOSERS (your capitals) would not include Hindemith. Get over it. You are making a fool of yourself which is a pity because I guess you are both well-meaning and well-informed, not to mention enthusiastic.
Nai61a 5 months ago
@peppersax You expect me to provide evidence of my ability as a composer in order to support my criticism. Will you provide evidence of your similar ability in order to support your praise?
Nai61a 5 months ago
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musoderelict 4 months ago in playlist Hindemith
Can you imagine rehearsing with an orchestra that Paul Hindemith was conducting? At any moment he could have stopped the rehearsal, grabbed your instrument from you and played the part better than you could have! What a terror! What a joy!
Terrific video.
Bazzito52 1 year ago
@Bazzito52 Not to take anything away from Hindemith, but this is the Chicago Symphony we're talking about there.
duply01 1 year ago
@Bazzito52 Played the part better? I doubt that...its the Chicago Symphony!
jlew180l 1 year ago
Did Hindemith play trumpet better than Bud? hmmm
barrybfl 1 year ago
@barrybfl @jlew180l Well, maybe not. But he COULD - Play the Strauss horn concerto with the orchestra as soloist - THEN play the Walton viola concerto (he performed the world premier) - AFTER INTERMISSION, he could have been the soloist for the Beethoven violin concerto - AND conduct "The Four Terperaments" from the keyboard. (If they were short-handed in the clarinet and percussion sections he could have filled in, as he studied both, too.)
And I was talking about YOUR instrument.
Bazzito52 1 year ago
I guarantee that he could play the viola better than me but not the trumpet.
Any recordings of him playing horn? I never realized that he was a horn player.
barrybfl 1 year ago
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ancientwell 11 months ago
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@barrybfl
Hindemith is said to have claimed that he could play every instrument he ever wrote for, except the harp and the guitar.
ancientwell 11 months ago
hindemith is so underrated :((
Rainelfy 1 year ago 15
@Rainelfy yeah
100LEGIONS 1 year ago
Genuine, but not my style. Somhow I sort of agree with the "messy" statement, maybe it's too complicated for my ears. I like the music of Bach, Rachmaninoff or Shostakovich more. They're still extraordinarily complex, but much more apprehensible and comfortable to me.
ShanyyHUN 1 year ago
i wont say all his symphonies sound the same, but Hindemith definitely has one of the most noticeable and distinct styles
fubunikk44 1 year ago
@fubunikk44 Like Zappa
vonzeke 1 year ago
mein Eindruck ist, daß R. Strauß,, Schönberg und eben auch Hindemith ihre eigenen Kompositionen viel weniger "modern" dirigiert haben als spätere Dirigenten. Furtwängler ist da eine positive Ausnahme. Es ist alles viel organischer...und auch feuriger, liebevoller. Kein zackiges, Pseudotransparenz schaffendes Herunterspielen. Liebe vor allem zur Melodie, trotz des polyphonen Grundcharakters von Hindemiths Stücken.
Blutkasper 1 year ago 2
Ja, gerade bei Modellbahn-Fans weiß man ja sofort, welche Musik sie komponieren. Wie auch bei Hobby-Köchen, Hobby-Fußballern, Sekretärinnen etc.
fremsley001, du Pfosten, erst denken, dann schreiben!
wuulumuulu 1 year ago
This is precisely the music I would expect a model train nut to have composed.
fremsley001 1 year ago
@fremsley001 you cant be serious.
Hindemith is one of the greatest composers ever.
nauJRodriguez 1 year ago
@fremsley001 - I actually agree with you. Hindemith is proof that a model train nut can be a great composer.
lexo30 1 year ago
I love Hindemith's music, but I've always thought that one of the more endearingly geeky things about him is that he was a model train nut who apparently memorised the railway timetables for most of central Europe.
lexo30 2 years ago 2
Wonderful!!!! It's mesmerizing.... =)
NemoProkofiev551 2 years ago
I see in some of the other comments that people are talking about Paul's playing as opposed to his musicianship.I am so fortunite to just see him direct his own muisic. I didn't get a chance to see him in person in ATLANTA or any other place but I just love most of his music.He along with William Schuman are two of my favorite composers of the 20th century.Praise the Lord that I now can see him and his music on "You tube".
MRLOVINGOOD 2 years ago
don't quite get his music. could you help me decode it a bit? (I'm not very good with modern music...) many thanks!
charmingemily 2 years ago
Hello,I don't decoded his music or any music.If I like what I hear,I just like it.I was in the band in high school and college and I still love music.I like what I like and that's it.I don't decode it.If I like what I hear I continue listening to it and go back from time to time.Paul Hindemint's music is rough at times but I still like most of it.I can't make it any more clearer than that.I hope this helps you with what's bothering you about P.Hindemiths' music or any music of the same calibre.
MRLOVINGOOD 2 years ago
Hello - what exactly do you feel you're not getting? I concede that this piece might not be a great place for a beginner to start listening to Hindemith. Try the Mathis der Maler symphony, the Symphonic Metamorphoses or the viola sonatas. If you don't get them, chances are you won't like any Hindemith.
lexo30 2 years ago
thanks for your suggestions! metamorphoses is really cool the 2 flutes' beginning is like a mixture of chinese folk melody and modern music..fun
charmingemily 1 year ago
@charmingemily Try to find older recordings of his music played by good musicians and you will hear the beauty. Sadly many want to record his music but cannot play it well. This is not unusual, the same problem exists with Bach!
nauJRodriguez 1 year ago
thanks I'll try. like your 'Sadly many want to record his music but cannot play it well. This is not unusual, the same problem exists with Bach! ', I can totally understand you here.
charmingemily 1 year ago
He is an hottie!
theoldstro 2 years ago 17
Yuhuu! Wonderful! Thanks for tis video!!!
Stoloft 2 years ago
I lie him.. he cute!
theoldstro 2 years ago
He was a most beautiful composer of 20 century... but, his direction is very bad!
compositore92 2 years ago
What's bad about it? If it was all that bad, the music would sound bad too, but it doesn't...
philatelist26 2 years ago
That's true with many composers. But he doesn't look too bad in this one. What about it do you dislike?
Farnik01 2 years ago
Me encanta este video!
pianorenz 2 years ago
In this fascinating discussion of what makes a good conductor, some people are forgetting that a large percentage of conducting skill is in the rehearsals. The performance can be shameless showmanship for the audience without disturbing the orchestra as long as the essential cues and tempos are clearly indicated. Hindemith was no showman, though - straight-forward musical direction, not too elegant, but gets a nice performance out of the orchestra.
BeatrixPotterer 2 years ago 2
Oh Stop it! Watch any orchestra...the musicians are not even looking at the conductor. You DO need him to know when to stop and begin together and that is when they are watching him. Also, since an orchestra is large, those one side cannot hear well those on the other side of room, so the conductor makes the decisions on volume put out by sections.
nauJRodriguez 2 years ago
but you know...conducting at the stage what we see here isn't all "conducted by..." stands for ;) the less one does conducting life the more he might have done in the rehearsal so that he just needs to remind his orchestra ;) jumping up and down and making pathetique guestures or whatever is no indication for a special geniality...it just looks more interesting but that should not be hte most important thing here i guess ;)
CrystalizedDreams 2 years ago
Well, certainly too many bad musicians become conductors, or, in the case of Early Music, many excellent performers become conductors without taking the trouble to study the art. And believe me, it is an art. It's so much more than beating time - it's really about body language and, specifically, facial communication. If a conductor is worth watching, then she will be watched. And the best ones, in my experience, are opera conductors. Just some thoughts I share as a professional musician.
philatelist26 2 years ago
May I make a suggestion? Listen to what's happening, don't complain about the visuals. Is there anything to criticize the musical performance for? I don't think so.
Majik47 2 years ago 2
It's certainly interesting to see Hindemith conducting; being a violist myself, I hear tales about how Hindemith was an average violist at best. But that's not saying a whole lot seeing as how he knew how to play basically every other instrument, which took away practice time from the viola. So he might not have been the best performer, but he certainly had an incredible sense of what it was to be a musician. Even if his technique isn't perfect, his musicality shows.
HerrWozzeck 2 years ago
Yes.
Sinfoniahorn 2 years ago
Actually, Hindemith was a virtuoso violist and violinist - he had a serious career as one pre-WW2 - and he could play the piano at concert level and every other instrument in the orchestra reasonably well, although he only learned them later on. He was famous as a brilliant performer before he ever became famous as a composer.
lexo30 2 years ago
Thanks beekum.
catherinebsteele 2 years ago
Hindemith did not need to be a "great" conductor. He had more understanding of music in his little finger than any other conductors. Hindemith was a real genius. By the way "Herodiade" I believe is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
Also, you must know that conducting is not that hard to do.
nauJRodriguez 2 years ago
Conducting WELL is hard to do. Waving the baton is not that difficult (as long as you can move your arm, remember and maintain tempos, supply cues, and act quickly in emergency). But, interpreting the music, bringing out that interpretation, leading rehearsals, inspiring and connecting with the musicians, and most importantly remaining humble in a position of great power is actually very difficult. There are not many great conductors out there, I think, who fit all of these qualifications.
catherinebsteele 2 years ago
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The fact is, that there are not many conducting jobs available, so who is interested in making a career of it? That may be why so few are interested. The fact is that there are not enough educated musicians these days. Conducting is rather simple, so lets not make too much of it.
nauJRodriguez 2 years ago
I agree with catherine... conducting is a real job and it's very hard to do right...
pprvanbeekum 2 years ago 2
Ignorance is bliss. The only way conducting is "rather simple" is if you have no concept of what Muse-ic is, or you do not HEAR music; either sonorously or emotionally. I feel sorry for you that your world is so limited.
Otterboy67 2 years ago
Check my previous comment....
The other point is, since sound travels slowly, those on other side of room may misunderstand when the beat begins or ends. Did you ever notice that small groups do not need a conductor? Thats it in a nutshell. The problem is that bad musicians become conductors. When a good one is around we are in awe.
nauJRodriguez 2 years ago
Impagable este documento!
Lonegan63 2 years ago
Obrigado por nos dar esse presente! Paul Hindemith, simplesmente espetacular!!!
clariguinho 2 years ago
o_o
How comes they cut it off?!
I was right into that T-T
JonnoGradian 2 years ago
Chicago was one of the great orchestras in those days, but alas Hindemith was not one of the great conductors. There is a funny story of how Otto Klemperer got Walter Legge to hire Hindemith to conduct Beethoven's Ninth at a concert, with highly unsatisfactory results. Klemperer laughed about it for years.
billyguns2 2 years ago
Or even Sibelius.
kapariz44 3 years ago
Haha, I've not seen a clip of Hindemith in action before, but I notice that he has a baby face like Churchill. In fact he looks a bit like Churchill don't you think.
kapariz44 3 years ago
To me it seems so odd that Hindemith was hounded out of Germany by the gov't of the day for composing so-called entartete musik when, say, Carmina Burana was so well received. There's not such an enormous difference in style.
What a touchy regime Hitler's govt was ha?
But I suppose the fact that Hindemith made no secret of the fact that he thought Hitler was a jerk didn't exactly help.
kapariz44 3 years ago
During that time, Hindemith already had developed his personal style and ideas which clearly differed from the Nazi's love for simple harmonics and military march music. Also, his wife had a jewish background.
zandax 2 years ago
Actually, there's a significant difference. Hindemith's music involved many layers of counterpoint; Carmina Burana is almost entirely monophonic. Hindemith used a combination of secondal, tertian, and quartal harmony, whereas Carmina Burana uses only tertian harmony. Hindemith is extraordinarily complex; Carmina Burana, while a great piece, is so simplistic it's practically pop music.
gauerjr 2 years ago 2
Interesting. So it was that aspect, in part, that got up the nose/s of the Nazi government - its complexity? Hitler just couldn't get his head round it, so he called it entartete? What an odd fellow Hitler was ha.
You seem to know more about this than me, but from what you say would it be right to say that Hindemith's music is more like Tippett's then. T's music is often very contrapuntal. I guess the Nazis would have banned him too on the basis of enemy as much as entartete music(?)
kapariz44 2 years ago
for me it is the spiritual spring where the music comes from that matters .
KEANMACHINE10 2 years ago
Damn, Chicago's brass was invincible! Today they're just good.
JHBowden 3 years ago
this is sick
Applebaum 3 years ago
Einfach grandios das Ding!
Hindemith is nicht umsonst der Meister des "Ta-ta".
Siehe dazu 1:29.
;-)
wuulumuulu 3 years ago
Please upload the complete version of this fantastic piece, Hindemith was a genius and it doesn't show any more than in this concert music. Thanks for the snippet though.
deanshrink 3 years ago 3
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bullshit. freak music for phonies
saveourcar 3 years ago
invoked anger .... involvement .... good ... a human responded... you're in then, you're in my friend ..
rafrodr 3 years ago
invoked anger .... involvement .... good ... a human responded... you're in then, you're in my friend ..
rafrodr 3 years ago
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i wasn't angry, i just talk that way, phony. i'm not involved, in, because there's nothing to be in or outside of. this shit is just stupid; emperor's new clothes-type bullshit.
saveourcar 3 years ago
Reading theses comments I feel sorry for the less gifted people like you, saveourcar, and I feel very happy to be privileged to enjoy this music.
Most people will always be unable to ever look behind their 3-chord pop music.
zandax 3 years ago
You want that? Check out pieces by John Cage. I've studied techniques taught by Hindemith, and there is NO randomness involved. He was just as methodical and controled as Mozart or Bach. Just because you don't like the sounds he made doesn't mean that they weren't skillfully done. On the other hand, maybe you're the type of person who likes 'Sexy can I', and in that case, I suggest you focus on graduating third grade.
jefequeso 3 years ago
you complete third grade not graduate it. you graduate high school and college.
bdubluva 2 years ago
you are right. my bad.
jefequeso 2 years ago
saveourcar whats inside your head?
bundespanzler 3 years ago
Don't be afraid of things you don't understand. Try to expand your thinking.
tonyztuba 2 years ago
KONZERTMUSIK IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES
I am not a brass player, but this must be so much fun for them to do (and difficult).
Thanks for posting this. I've always loved Hindemith, and this is one of his best works.
I have been in audiences that actually loved his music. I think conductors and music planners are scared of his music.
Konzertmusik should be one of their attempts to get audiences educated.
sanjosemike
sanjosemike 3 years ago
i love to LISTEN as much as i love to play.
paul.
PaulMurphyJazzDrum 3 years ago
¡Impresionate!
tigrankelevian,un abrazo caluroso
nairigrigorian 3 years ago
Amazing... I wish there's a video of him conducting the Concerto for Orchestra. One also wonders why Hindemith is so underplayed nowadays.
surincises 3 years ago
One reason I think is that his music is often difficult to play. Also, there are a lot of low rate managers and uhhh, conductors! I think many orchestras cannot pull it off. Many members are not good players. In other words, the parts are too hard. I know Hindemiths music well.
nauJRodriguez 2 years ago
What work is this?
overlord1294 3 years ago
Hindemith - Concert Music for Strings and Brass (1930).
roawhite 3 years ago
That, is CSO at their best, especially that intimidating infamous soaring brass section, they will probably never reach that point again or at least for a long time.
overlord1294 3 years ago
Orchestra's, in general, are at their best today. I think that would apply to Chicago as well...
stopandthink22 3 years ago
That is clearly not true, other famous orchestras such as NY Phil, Cleveland, Philly, were much more proficient in the past. I do believe CSO, is not quite as proficient today, simply because the amount of stand out musicians are fewer in the orchestras today, that includes CSO, from 1953-62.
overlord1294 3 years ago
I don't think that's right because there are so many more quality musicians today that audition for the orchestras. Like in the 40's or 50's if they needed a tuba they would pretty much hire anybody who owned a tuba, but today over 100 college educated tuba players would audition. And that's just the tuba!
stopandthink22 3 years ago
That true you've got a point, but I dought they would hire just anybody. it is still hard for me to believe that the CSO will match their prestige they held back then any time soon.
overlord1294 3 years ago
When is the last time you heard the CSO live?
If anythng, they sound even better.
Teh number of standout musicians is far greater in all orhcestras today.
Proudwetfart 3 years ago
Sounds great to me!!
yvone15 3 years ago 2
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'Messy' is the word I would use to describe Hindemith's music. It does nothing for me.If anything, listening to it makes me tense because it seems such a jumbled, artless mess. The occasional moments of inspiration that do appear in his music are very fleeting, and were never developed beyond very primitive stages. Such moments invariably disintegrate immediately anyway, leading into nothing but another completely random sound. A very primitive composer, hardly worth giving any time to IMO.
RCBrittain 3 years ago
Messy? maybe you are not accustomed to listening to polyphony, keep after it, it will make more sense when you have invested some time in it. This of course is based on the assumption that you have an ear and musical taste.
buddyro57 3 years ago 9
What a compltely absurd statement. I respect opinion. Opinion is fine.
But Hindemith was a master of, as buddyro57 says, polyphony.
He intentionally composed pieces of amazing dissonance and artful beauty.
billystewart4 3 years ago 3
you don't seem to understand the struggle Hindemith's music represents...
o00joe 3 years ago 4
Agreed.
revoltz7 3 years ago
@RCBrittain I am inclined to agree with your sentiments and am sorry to see that your comment has been hidden following negative voting. This aspect of Youtube's operation - voting up and down - is at its most absurd when applied to artistic judgments. I've written this elsewhere, but my adjectives to characterise Hindemith's music are: prosaic, bombastic, functional, formulaic, dull, amorphous. I could go on. This is only an opinion; others may disagree, but I hope they won't try to suppress.
Nai61a 5 months ago
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musoderelict 4 months ago in playlist Hindemith
Thank you for this video. Nice to see the last titan of the german composers conduct his own work.
Domedictin 4 years ago 4
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pompous twits.
SidewalkFrequencies 4 years ago
Uninformed misanthrope! :)
tonyztuba 2 years ago
Magnífica música y exelente orquesta. gracias por hacerme conocer esta obra
gustavomassun 4 years ago
hindemith is awesome
ravelmeister 4 years ago 2
MEHR HINDEMITH! Der größte Komponist der neuen Musik! Genial
1Eternia 4 years ago
That was wonderful... thank you vaimusic. Even the quality is good!!!! Do you have Hindemith's Mathis der Mahler? You guys are my new favorite YouTube posters!!!!
RayFallon 4 years ago 2
This video is really impressive. Hnidemith is a master in "Structural" Music. Chicago Brass and Strings are amazing. This music is purely a gift to my ear!
Castenelli 4 years ago
This might be one of the only times that Jacobs ever sounded decent
abasstrombonist 4 years ago
That's not very nice. He's an excellent player.
csteel310 4 years ago
Are you nuts??...Jacobs was one of the greatest players and teachers ever..it really shows you have no concept of good taste or respect for one of the most revered players of all time...
eyetrumpet 4 years ago
Fame never equals quality... if you actually listened to his playing you would realize what I'm talking about. Wont knock his teaching though... truly top notch.
abasstrombonist 4 years ago
you sir are a damned fool....
hung30306guy 4 years ago
Insulting me doesn't help your argument, name a recording that you think Jacobs sounded good on and I'll show you at least one of the same decade (and dozens after) which has superior tuba playing on it. Jacobs was a revolutionary pedagogue but that brass players need to stop looking to his playing as some kind of model. Waren Deck, Mike Roylance, Gene Porkony, Floyd Cooley, Joe Novotny, and some of these younger guys like Craig Knox and Steve Dumaine... those are true orchestral musicians.
abasstrombonist 4 years ago
Prokofiev - Alexander Nevsky / Reiner
Prokofiev - Lt Kjie / Reiner
Stravinsky - The Fairy's Kiss / Reiner
Mussorgsky - Pictures / Kubelik
How's that, show me other examples from the 1950's that exceed these...
Look, I agree the other players you listed are/were quite excellent, but ask any of those players who their idol was and they will all say Jacobs. (maybe not Novotny as they were contemporaries)
hung30306guy 4 years ago
I have to disagree, while I love many of the aforementioned tubists, Jacobs was/is superior to most all of them and for the few that pose any real competition, he is a challenging equal.
namisloC 4 years ago 2
Orchestras will die at an even faster rate than they currently are if young musicians don't start looking at their technique and musicianship as well as those of others with a little less hero worship and a little more objectivity.
abasstrombonist 4 years ago
And you of course are an expert.... Where is your full time playing job? Stop acting like YOUR opinion of musicians and brass technique is all that matters....
hung30306guy 4 years ago
Look, my original comment (the harshness of it anyway) was a joke for a friend of mine who passed the video on to me. My opinion of brass playing certainly doesn't matter much it's just disturbing that players go beyond respecting the past to the point of thinking that what they were doing is better than what's being done now and drawing themselves into very tight corners of ignorance regarding what can be done.
abasstrombonist 4 years ago
Mostly folks like the fella who commented just a few before me about how Reiner (even though this is Hindemith) and the CSO is a "perfect storm never to be repeated." That's absurd.
abasstrombonist 4 years ago
Chicago Symphony..Fritz Reiner..Orchestra Hall..a perfect storm never to be realized again..
winrx 4 years ago
This is Paul Hindemith conducting.
ThaSchwab 4 years ago
what was the date of this video ?
acabaoglu 4 years ago
My God, what a recording; way better-sounding than nearly every CD in my collection. The acoustics in that place were obviously perfect, but so was the recording technology - it never needed to go any further than this.
And what an orchestra - insane.
As for the music, it gets serious only at about 3:20, and this isn't the best section in this piece, but it's definitely heavy-grade Hindemith; very spooky.
Great post.
terribleyouth 4 years ago
OK big mama drama.
ScottProman 4 years ago
A muso's muso. Fantastic orchestrator. Brass players must love him.
trueaccounts 4 years ago
is there any more CSO full videos if there are can someone tell me thank you
konohasenko 4 years ago
He doesn't seem to be very appreciated lately...
pigshavebeards 4 years ago
like most composers, hindemith was a terrible conductor. however, the great chicago symphony could perform this without a conductor at all.
altoid16148 4 years ago
a terrible conducter???just listen to this!your comment is a stupid common place!!
ashitakas 4 years ago
Idiot...he's conducting his own piece...
ThaSchwab 4 years ago
...and listen at least to his own viola playing! Excellentissimo!!!
eckarteckart 4 years ago
exccccccccelent
alexargentino 4 years ago
look at that viola section
violabrain 4 years ago
Hindemith is one of my musical gods; it's so great to get to see him in action. He was one of the greatest musical geniuses in recent history.
GlobalHuntMan 4 years ago
Sound the brass ...sound the strings....glorious sound....
zzzzoooor 4 years ago