UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE; Canadians are being denied health care everyday, kicked out of hospitals with life threatening conditions is the norm in the Canadian system........ask someone who really needed medical care and was DENIED; In Canada it takes 100 doctors 5 years to diagnose a spinal injury; It is a BLATANT denial of health care to save $money$ for governments,
I AM LIVING PROOF CANADIAN HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED TO SAVE COSTS;
In the video, I read the following "U.S. patients had the second-shortest wait times if they wished to see a specialist or have nonemergency surgery, such as a hip replacement or cataract operation (Germany, which has national health care, came in first on both measures)."
So, as I said, Germany has the SHORTEST waiting periods.
The sad part is that most liberals and progressives already know this stuff. The ones that really need to hear this have their minds shut so tight that only lies can get in.
The whole talk about wait lines makes me sad to be honest. IF (for the sake of the argument) countries like the US have a shorter lines, it's only because so many million people can't even afford to be in the line.
It's not that private hospitals etc. are faster or better. It's just that fewer people can afford them. So the marginally shorter lines are at the expensive of your fellow Americans who suffer without any help. :/
Visit my web site, I have a video linked there that will make you want to cry. I knwo that my eye got kind of wet. A lot of Americans are suffering because they can't afford health care.
It's a horrible story about your country. It's shocking that the American population doesn't demand changes. I know that some Americans do but it's way too few considering the magnitude of the problem.
But it always seems to be close calls in the US. Even the McCain vs. Obama election was shockingly close. One side completely messes up and chooses a horrible candidate for vice president and still the election is close.. Sometimes I don't understand you over there. :P
It seems to me like a lot of Americans aren't really open minded about elections etc. They already know who they're going to vote for before any candidate has said a word.
Palin could grow a Hitler mustache and talk about going to war with France to capture the pyramids (I know.. But she doesn't).. And it would still be a close call on election day.
It seems like you (Americans in general) seem to think that you have to stick by your party no matter how much you might disagree with them. :/
Same goes for other issues. Health care, gun control, gay rights etc. Once Americans have taken a stance it seems impossible to change it. Why is it so impossible for a lot of Americans to change their opinion?
It's like a lot of you choose a side and then you're stuck there forever. It's not like that in most other places in the world.
I have no idea who I will vote for in the next Danish election. That depends on the people running and their politics. Not the name of the party.
Maybe you're right. It's just kinda sad I think. Politics should be about.. Well, politics. Not about the name of the party.
People who voted for McCain/Palin in the last election must be nuts. Of course people have different reasons for doing so but I can't imagine any of them being good. The republican campaign was such a disaster that it's hard to imagine even the Bush family voting for them.
I don't think Americans are dumber than Europeans. The US political system is just awful. :/
The system is too big, the representatives are too far away for their consitutents, theri are too many voters for any representative so the value of any given vote or voting block to too diluted.
Well, I'm from Denmark so I may see things a bit different than the average American. I mean, we're used to different kinds of democracies..
To me, the two party system is horrible to begin with. Too many potential voters are left having to choose between plague and cholera so to speak. They don't really like any of the two choices. That leads to fewer people voting.
The American system also seems to be openly corrupt. Again, that's probably because I'm used to another system but...
It just seems so wrong that the medical, oil etc. industries openly pay the politicians to vote in their interest. To me that IS corruption.
Personally I would like to see the American population taking back the power. In the USA the president is almost worshiped by the people. But the president is working FOR the people. Americans seem to have forgotten about that. It's not the population who needs to stand by him no matter what.. It's the other way around.
Well, I don't mean any president in particular.. The American president always seems to have this weird idol status or something. Even among most of the people who don't agree with him.
He's the one working for the population.. But when you see him in public it's almost like ancient kings or something. A god walking amongst mortals.
The president is nothing without the people backing him up.. What is with the idolization? :/
A lot of Americans need to wake up and realize that it's not...
A popularity contest. People should be voting for the person who's the most qualified to lead the country but that sure doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
People want 'a man of the people', the black guy, the woman, the religious nut etc. There's nothing wrong with voting for a woman or whatever but that should NOT be the main attribute. Being a nice guy, a black guy, a woman, a veteran etc. does NOT make a good president.
Vote based on ability to do the job. That would help a lot. ;)
It's also unfair to point to Canada, because Canada doesn't have the huge wait lines that some of these jerks want to pretend they have. People in Canada need to see their doctor, they call their doctor and go to the office within a couple of days--just like they do in America. There are lines for elective surgery, but there are lines for them here in the US, too. You want to see the orthopedic surgeon here in town? Get in line--he's booked up for 2 months right now.
The funny thing is a few years ago some of the news media was reporting on excessive waiting times in the US. Then it all got quiet ... and fast. I have to imagine that they were reminded where their advertizing dollars came from.
Just a note, comparison to NHS (UK) waiting times is all well and good, but also have the option of private health care if we so wish, but in our experience, it's very expensive and they cut corners, especially when it comes to care for the elderly.
Insurance in the US is expensive and cuts corners everywhere it can, too. It's a business, after all. Most people can't afford it on their own--they have to get it through their employers, who subsidize part of the cost.
You surprise me, Z. I kind of thought you are generally opposed to universal health care, but this video sounds like you think its not a altogether bad idea.
I need to research HR 676. The initiative has been around for years. But, there web page looks like a high school student did it. HR 676 appears to be real national health insurance. It says, Medicare for everyone.
Well, extending Medicare to everyone makes sense to me. But it won't happen, nor will any truly meaningful reform. We'll get **something**, but Insurers and Pharmecueticals will be snickering in their sleeves. They have the "blue dog" Democrats in their pocket - and Obama will only get as much as they give him.
I'd like to see you do a video about lobbying. As a libertarian, do you think giant corporations should be able to lobby?
That's an interesting question. As a thinking human, I don't think giant corporations should exist.
I need to do a blogTV on the evils of corporations. The only reason any business should be done as a corporation is because it is done on behalf of the corpus, We the People. Investors are not the corpus, they are the investors. Only We the People, through our elected officials and so-called servant government can create the fictional person called a corporation. Investors have to beg for it.
The issue is more nuanced. Here in Canada for emergencies you get prompt, quality care.
But for some, you wait.
I have been waiting for a hip resurfacing - an elective despite the intense pain of my arthritis - for more than a year. I am supposed to get it in October, if I get the call.
We do have an issue with the number of doctors, thanks to the state creating cartels.
So really the issue is too many rules, to different effects, in both countries.
I never did get the popularity of the "rationed care" argument. Scarcity implies that all health care systems will ration care, the only difference being the scale and mechanism(s) used, the most popular of these mechanisms being in the form of prices.
Of course free market advocates fail to realize that self interest will keep even a national health care delivery system. Employment security depends on services provided whether the services are billed to a private insurance company or simply paid for by the government. I seriously doubt that a goernment owned clinic or hospital would want to reduce its services if that meant reduced employment.
I suppose it's the notion that a public entity simply can't be managed and/or financed as effectively as a private one.
Speaking anecdotally from family and friends who are currently or have been government workers however, their jobs operated much as one in a private enterprise would. On the surface there's very little if any difference.
As far as management goes, I don't think there's any catastrophic difference from private to public. How it's financed is another story.
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UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE; Canadians are being denied health care everyday, kicked out of hospitals with life threatening conditions is the norm in the Canadian system........ask someone who really needed medical care and was DENIED; In Canada it takes 100 doctors 5 years to diagnose a spinal injury; It is a BLATANT denial of health care to save $money$ for governments,
I AM LIVING PROOF CANADIAN HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED TO SAVE COSTS;
WCBvictim 1 year ago
This is all a bunch of lies!!! I live in Germany and never have to wait for any services when going to the doctor.
jamesriepe 1 year ago
@jamesriepe
In the video, I read the following "U.S. patients had the second-shortest wait times if they wished to see a specialist or have nonemergency surgery, such as a hip replacement or cataract operation (Germany, which has national health care, came in first on both measures)."
So, as I said, Germany has the SHORTEST waiting periods.
I'm confused by your comment.
zthustra 1 year ago
The sad part is that most liberals and progressives already know this stuff. The ones that really need to hear this have their minds shut so tight that only lies can get in.
theoriginalSkooby 2 years ago
That's why I cleverly titled it the way I did. I figured that people doing searches wouldn't be able to tell if it was pro or con.
zthustra 2 years ago
The whole talk about wait lines makes me sad to be honest. IF (for the sake of the argument) countries like the US have a shorter lines, it's only because so many million people can't even afford to be in the line.
It's not that private hospitals etc. are faster or better. It's just that fewer people can afford them. So the marginally shorter lines are at the expensive of your fellow Americans who suffer without any help. :/
gnawershreth 2 years ago
Visit my web site, I have a video linked there that will make you want to cry. I knwo that my eye got kind of wet. A lot of Americans are suffering because they can't afford health care.
zthustra 2 years ago
It's a horrible story about your country. It's shocking that the American population doesn't demand changes. I know that some Americans do but it's way too few considering the magnitude of the problem.
But it always seems to be close calls in the US. Even the McCain vs. Obama election was shockingly close. One side completely messes up and chooses a horrible candidate for vice president and still the election is close.. Sometimes I don't understand you over there. :P
gnawershreth 2 years ago
You just made a point that I want to scream!
Why are so many issues 50/50 in terms of public support?
It might be more fair to say 33/34/33 with 33 for, 34 apathetic and 33 against.
zthustra 2 years ago
It seems to me like a lot of Americans aren't really open minded about elections etc. They already know who they're going to vote for before any candidate has said a word.
Palin could grow a Hitler mustache and talk about going to war with France to capture the pyramids (I know.. But she doesn't).. And it would still be a close call on election day.
It seems like you (Americans in general) seem to think that you have to stick by your party no matter how much you might disagree with them. :/
gnawershreth 2 years ago
cont..
Same goes for other issues. Health care, gun control, gay rights etc. Once Americans have taken a stance it seems impossible to change it. Why is it so impossible for a lot of Americans to change their opinion?
It's like a lot of you choose a side and then you're stuck there forever. It's not like that in most other places in the world.
I have no idea who I will vote for in the next Danish election. That depends on the people running and their politics. Not the name of the party.
gnawershreth 2 years ago
It probably human nature. Nietzsche called him the "party man". It's politics, its religion, its business, its even family.
This was probably an advantage in genetic survival once. You sided with your clan no matter what!
I think Europeans are more socially evolved. That's why they get all the good new technology a few years ahead of us in the states.
I'm willing to be persuaded that I'm wrong, but I do have to be persuaded. I won't be shouted down or intimidated.
zthustra 2 years ago
Maybe you're right. It's just kinda sad I think. Politics should be about.. Well, politics. Not about the name of the party.
People who voted for McCain/Palin in the last election must be nuts. Of course people have different reasons for doing so but I can't imagine any of them being good. The republican campaign was such a disaster that it's hard to imagine even the Bush family voting for them.
I don't think Americans are dumber than Europeans. The US political system is just awful. :/
gnawershreth 2 years ago
The system is too big, the representatives are too far away for their consitutents, theri are too many voters for any representative so the value of any given vote or voting block to too diluted.
zthustra 2 years ago
Well, I'm from Denmark so I may see things a bit different than the average American. I mean, we're used to different kinds of democracies..
To me, the two party system is horrible to begin with. Too many potential voters are left having to choose between plague and cholera so to speak. They don't really like any of the two choices. That leads to fewer people voting.
The American system also seems to be openly corrupt. Again, that's probably because I'm used to another system but...
gnawershreth 2 years ago
cont...
It just seems so wrong that the medical, oil etc. industries openly pay the politicians to vote in their interest. To me that IS corruption.
Personally I would like to see the American population taking back the power. In the USA the president is almost worshiped by the people. But the president is working FOR the people. Americans seem to have forgotten about that. It's not the population who needs to stand by him no matter what.. It's the other way around.
gnawershreth 2 years ago
I've been a third-party guy all of my adult life ... Libertarian. But I'm not a party-man. I break with the party on some issues, like health care.
The president? Same split as everything else, 33% worship him, 34% don't give a shit, and 33% think he's a devil. I just don't get it!
zthustra 2 years ago
Well, I don't mean any president in particular.. The American president always seems to have this weird idol status or something. Even among most of the people who don't agree with him.
He's the one working for the population.. But when you see him in public it's almost like ancient kings or something. A god walking amongst mortals.
The president is nothing without the people backing him up.. What is with the idolization? :/
A lot of Americans need to wake up and realize that it's not...
gnawershreth 2 years ago
cont..
A popularity contest. People should be voting for the person who's the most qualified to lead the country but that sure doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
People want 'a man of the people', the black guy, the woman, the religious nut etc. There's nothing wrong with voting for a woman or whatever but that should NOT be the main attribute. Being a nice guy, a black guy, a woman, a veteran etc. does NOT make a good president.
Vote based on ability to do the job. That would help a lot. ;)
gnawershreth 2 years ago
It's also unfair to point to Canada, because Canada doesn't have the huge wait lines that some of these jerks want to pretend they have. People in Canada need to see their doctor, they call their doctor and go to the office within a couple of days--just like they do in America. There are lines for elective surgery, but there are lines for them here in the US, too. You want to see the orthopedic surgeon here in town? Get in line--he's booked up for 2 months right now.
roentgen571 2 years ago
The funny thing is a few years ago some of the news media was reporting on excessive waiting times in the US. Then it all got quiet ... and fast. I have to imagine that they were reminded where their advertizing dollars came from.
zthustra 2 years ago
Just a note, comparison to NHS (UK) waiting times is all well and good, but also have the option of private health care if we so wish, but in our experience, it's very expensive and they cut corners, especially when it comes to care for the elderly.
Great video.
theatheistguy 2 years ago
Insurance in the US is expensive and cuts corners everywhere it can, too. It's a business, after all. Most people can't afford it on their own--they have to get it through their employers, who subsidize part of the cost.
roentgen571 2 years ago
You surprise me, Z. I kind of thought you are generally opposed to universal health care, but this video sounds like you think its not a altogether bad idea.
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
Philosophically, I am opposed to it. It is theft from some individuals and subsidy others.
Still, we are herd animals! And there are some social benefits to herding up.
What I really can't stand is using the law to compel individuals to purchase goods and services from private companies.
I remember in the military no matter how clean your house was, it failed if you didn't pay an approved vendor to clean it. That's how I see HR 3200.
We all pay for healthcare, we should all get it.
zthustra 2 years ago
I need to research HR 676. The initiative has been around for years. But, there web page looks like a high school student did it. HR 676 appears to be real national health insurance. It says, Medicare for everyone.
zthustra 2 years ago
Well, extending Medicare to everyone makes sense to me. But it won't happen, nor will any truly meaningful reform. We'll get **something**, but Insurers and Pharmecueticals will be snickering in their sleeves. They have the "blue dog" Democrats in their pocket - and Obama will only get as much as they give him.
I'd like to see you do a video about lobbying. As a libertarian, do you think giant corporations should be able to lobby?
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
That's an interesting question. As a thinking human, I don't think giant corporations should exist.
I need to do a blogTV on the evils of corporations. The only reason any business should be done as a corporation is because it is done on behalf of the corpus, We the People. Investors are not the corpus, they are the investors. Only We the People, through our elected officials and so-called servant government can create the fictional person called a corporation. Investors have to beg for it.
zthustra 2 years ago
The issue is more nuanced. Here in Canada for emergencies you get prompt, quality care.
But for some, you wait.
I have been waiting for a hip resurfacing - an elective despite the intense pain of my arthritis - for more than a year. I am supposed to get it in October, if I get the call.
We do have an issue with the number of doctors, thanks to the state creating cartels.
So really the issue is too many rules, to different effects, in both countries.
The solution is to allow any dr to work
johnycannuk 2 years ago
Ask yourself this: How many more specialists would you have in Canada if they weren't paid so damned much just across the border in the US?
zthustra 2 years ago
I never did get the popularity of the "rationed care" argument. Scarcity implies that all health care systems will ration care, the only difference being the scale and mechanism(s) used, the most popular of these mechanisms being in the form of prices.
SeruQuik 2 years ago
Of course free market advocates fail to realize that self interest will keep even a national health care delivery system. Employment security depends on services provided whether the services are billed to a private insurance company or simply paid for by the government. I seriously doubt that a goernment owned clinic or hospital would want to reduce its services if that meant reduced employment.
zthustra 2 years ago
I suppose it's the notion that a public entity simply can't be managed and/or financed as effectively as a private one.
Speaking anecdotally from family and friends who are currently or have been government workers however, their jobs operated much as one in a private enterprise would. On the surface there's very little if any difference.
As far as management goes, I don't think there's any catastrophic difference from private to public. How it's financed is another story.
SeruQuik 2 years ago