@techracer2003 Yeah that was the set up of DS9. A broken warrior that had to get his isht together. While that definitely happened, yeah it really never gets mentioned again. At least when the Defiant blew up you'd think a flashback or nod to that might have been warranted.
What's with the clips from that ship that looks like Voyager with Voyager style uniforms? Bad acting and the uniforms are years ahead of date... what's this from?
@Nemesis000000 It was from Star Trek Borg - an interactive game. Many of the actors appeared in other TV episodes such as the Vodwar in a Voyager episode (Dragons Teeth), the captain was in another episode I can't think of and a few other films, and of course Q appeared in the game as well, so they were actually professional actors, filmed at Paramount.. most likely under a much heavier budget. The game itself was alright, but all you did was click on area's of these screen.
@Nemesis000000 It is funny though how that woman is just sitting there almost calmly while the borg is right at her terminal and in fact most of the crew is just calmly sitting or standing around while the Borg hostilely interacts with their computer. Lol. It's like they're acting like a Borg attack happens every day so no fear of harm is going to be done to them.
@rtds9fan the Enterprise episode with the Borg made them look more weak then Voyager ever did. Stupid episode over 200 years in the past everyone should have been assimlated.
Anyone else wish they would remaster star trek borg? Its not even DVD quality. Assuming they have the film elements, it should be possible to do it in HD.
@rtds9fan eh.. voyager takes alot of flak about that, but you also have to remember that they had a couple of advantages.
They had (for alot of it) a borg onboard to help them "adapt" their systems, and they didn't have the borg with someone like picard telling them exactly where to hit etc etc.
Also, remember how easily the jem hadar wiped the floor with the oddesy with a couple fighters, while later on a fighter is almost a joke. The more study/experience the easier they are to kill.
@Toobulations a really crappy old PC game of the good old days of using filming of real people. The only gameplay is you are some red shirt and you click left or right, you choose the wrong decision, you die. Its ok if you you're a trek fan but even then not even close to decent.
@Toobulations a really crappy old PC game of the good old days of using filming of real people. The only gameplay is you are some red shirt and you click left or right, you choose the wrong decision, you die. Its ok if you you're a trek fan but even then not even close to decent.
Pure armature writing.....Helm lay in a course for Wolf 359, pull ahead of the Borg Cube then match speed. In other words... pull ahead of the Cube so we can wag our ass at it. Maybe we'll get lucky and it will shoot us and then we won’t have to fight.
@Jerkwad152 The Constitution class ship was retired (decommissioned) sometime in the early 24th century. Picard alluded to Scotty in 'Relics' that there was a Constitution Class ship in the fleet museum, though he said nothing of there being an existing ship in service. Even the redesigned and upgraded "refit version" of the ship was considered "old" by the time the Excelsior class was comming into service. It's highly unlikely that a constitution class ship was still in service in the 2360's.
When that Borg Drone ( I beleive thats what the indivdual borg are called?) Beamed aboard that ship, I kept thinking to myself, "WHY is everyone just sitting there?" Only one guy tried to take it out. That room is full of people. Seriously, at least TRY to shoot it or something! I mean, I know they adapt, but nobody even put up any effort!
i have said it before and will say it again, this all could have been avoided if Picard and company weren't such pussys and would have programed "hugh" form "I Borg" with a virus that would have destroyed the borg. But NOOOOOOOO, "hugh" was nice, so they didn't want to harm him. The Federation deserves this
@chadheroman We don't really know that the Borg would not have discovered the virus & adapted accordingly. In the centuries that they've been assimilating worlds it's safe to say that someone else may have tried a virus. You can't just assume that the Federation would have been the only entity that would think of viruses & other weapons to fight the Borg. & FYI "Hugh" came after Wolf 359, not before. This is the battle of Wolf 359, not the battle of Sector 001.
@Lizfan2 this is true, sorry i got my order wrong, but since this came before "Hugh", its even more of a reason for Picard to atleast try the virus. After seeing what the borg are capable of, so what if "Hugh" is kinda nice (in a borg sort of way), you have to atleast TRY to destroy them.
@chadheroman I agree, I'm just saying that since the Borg most likely encountered viruses before there's no guarantee that the virus Geordie was planning would have worked. You also have to remember that Data said in "I Borg" that it would take several months for the virus to work. That's more than enough time for the Borg to discover it & stop it. Picard & crew should have developed a virus that would destroy the Borg in seconds or minutes, not months.
@naimodo Yes I know. & it stopped them in minutes, not months. I'm assuming the book you're talking about is the book in which Janeway dies. BTW, it's not the virus that ultimately stops them. Read the "Star Trek:Destiny" books.
@Lizfan2 That sounds remarkably like the TV episode endgame in ST VOY where the future Janeway comes back to get Voyager home quicker than in her timeline, thus saving 7/9's life. They used a Borg transwarp hub to get home and future Janeway injects herself with an anti-Borg virus and allows herself to be assimilated by the Borg Queen which utterly pwns the Collective and gets Voyager home 16 years faster. Generally an epic win on which to end the series.
@randomface54 That was a completely different virus. & since the future Janeway changed history things didn't work out the same way they would have if she hadn't gone back in time. Because Janeway died in the Star Trek "Before Dishonor" book.
@Lizfan2 Hang on... When Admiral Janeway sacrifices herself to infect the Borg in endgame, she destroys the central Unicomplex (Borg HQ) along with the transwarp hub. With the Hive mind crippled and the Borg transwarp network destroyed (their two main tactical advantages) the Borg wouldn't pose anywhere near as great a threat to the UFP. This alteration of history would render the other timeline defunct.
@randomface54 There were a total of 5 Borg transwarp hubs in existence. Admiral Janeway destroyed only one. & destroying the hub didn't wipe out the Borg. Even if it rendered the Borg in the Delta Quad. unable to get to the Alpha Quad., there would have been other Borg cubes in the Alpha/Beta Quads/Gamma Quads. It's not like all Borg cubes were in the Delta Quad. at that time. Also, the Borg are capable of both adapting quickly & repairing things quickly.
@Lizfan2 True, but destroying the Unicomplex along with all the Queens (kept in stasis until the current is destroyed then another is brought out as a replacement) would have severly damaged the Borg's ability to adapt, regenerate, coordinate large scale attacks and distribute information, as they are all reliant on the Hive, the centre of which was the Borg Queen within the Unicomplex. It might not have eradicated them, but it would take them a very long time to recover.
@randomface54 They could simply have set up another Borg HQ in one of the other transwarp hubs. Admiral Janeway was in the process of being assimilated & it's possible that the Borg managed to find a cure for the virus, too late for the Borg Janeway infected but not too late for the Borg species as a whole. Just because the Hive mind was crippled does not mean that it stayed that way. We saw in the series that the Borg can recover pretty quickly from setbacks & defeats.
@Lizfan2 The Borg Queens were of a single species which was totally assimilated by the Borg, since Borg do not reproduce, they would be unable to produce more and since the Collective is inherently pragmatic the Queens would be kept within the central command complex. The HQ is connected to all the hubs, not at a single hub and since, as I said before, the Borg's adaptabilty comes from the Hive-Mind, with it gone, it could take centuries to rebuild. Finally, who said the Borg could adapt to.....
@randomface54 The borg queen saw in 'Dark frontier' said 'I myself am from species 125 but thats irrellivent we are borg' - only referring to herself and not any other queen
@cowboykenny21 Since there were multiple Queens (numerous occasions where they have been killed) and they all appear to be the same species, also only 1 reference to the Queen's species was ever mentioned in canon ST. Offered explanation for Queen (not sure if it's canon but I don't know of any conflicting viewpoints) a single species (maybe 125) where the females were suited to act as a focal point for the Hive was completly assimilated. I don't remember where it's from but it seems to fit.
@Lizfan2 ....everything, for instance Species 8472, since the virus was designed to destroy Borg, it is conceivable that they were unable to assimilate the virus itself and were thus unable to counteract it, since assimilation is the only method by which the Collective gathers new information about anything, hence why it took Voyager to develop the Nanoprobe torpedeos capable of defeating 8472, even though it was Borg tech' being used.
Gotta love how only one guy goes after the borg standing their on the bridge who is actively trying to destroy them while everyone else just carry on like its not there.
I remember reading online that there were two vessels named USS Melbourne, one was a modified Nebula-class, with two main warp engines at the bottom, and two smaller nacelles above - normally where the torpedo launcher, or long-range sensor pos is placed - and the Excelsior-class that was destroyed in the opening assault
The reason they lost so badly is that their ships had silly names like "Tolstoi". They needed ships with names like "Yorktown", "Lexington", and "Defiant".
@bryruncorn Did I really have to label my post a joke? You see I was making fun of the "politically correct" names that TNG thought they had to use for ships thoughout its run such as "Yamato", "Crazy Horse", "Berlin", "Tolstoi"... The implication was that if they had more ships named like starships were named during Kirk's era, they would have kicked Borg a**.
@jtkirkfan2002 Joke Fail. Political Correctness had nothing to do with how their ships were named. Names are dependent on Ship's Class, as they are today with Naval Ships. And It was no different during "Kirk's Era".
Yamato = WW2 Japanese Battleship (ship)
Crazy Horse = Native American, Chief won at Battle of Little Bighorn (person)
Berlin = German Capital (place)
Tolstoy = Leo Tolstoy, famous Russian Writer (person)
@RingSight91 The reason the joke "fails" is that you TNG and later junkies have NO sense of humor. Get a good grip on your chair while this old fan from way back in the beginning lets you in on a secret: Star Trek isn't real. It's supposed to be fun, not some sort of religion.
P.S. Most of the ships of Kirk's era were named for valiant WWII fighting vessels from the good ol' USA. It's not my fault that the ships from his time had cooler names.
@jtkirkfan2002 >"Most of the ships of Kirk's era were named for valiant WWII fighting vessels from the good ol' USA."
LOL, "most". As in "most that you know of", or, "at the most since the biggest they had was the CONSTITUTION Class"? "Cooler Names"? That's BS. Names mean nothing when it comes to Capabilities. e.g. You want to imply that the Yamato (of all things) was some pansy-ass vessel, but it was also a Galaxy-Class ship, sister to the Enterprise E. Contradict yourself much?
@RingSight91 Listen to yourself. Is taking down a joke from an fan who was old enough to see TOS when it was on NBC really that important to you? It's people like you who inspired the famous Shatner SNL sketch. And the Enterprise-E is a Sovereign Class.
@jtkirkfan2002 You can joke all you want just make sure it makes sense. And there were a bunch of ships of the same class as those "cool, WW2 American-Inspired named ships of Kirk's time" you mentioned in this battle. Didn't seem to help their case any, e.g. Ben Sisko's Miranda-Class USS **Saratoga**.
And okay my bad, Sovereign not Galaxy. Still kicks ass more than the Constitutions et al of TOS' time, even with the Borg as the enemy.
@RingSight91 DS9 was retro-con. I'm talking solely about the names of ships mentioned here and in other episodes of TNG.
You have taken a harmless joke more about the rivalry between TOS fans and TNG fans and disected it well beyond a normal person. I'm going to start calling you Sheldon, as in Dr. Sheldon Cooper of "Big Bang Theory", a show you would probably take as an insult.
@jtkirkfan2002 Oh puhleaze, Big Bang Theory is hilarious. It's actually a show only smart people could relate to. I might not be a physicist but I get the physics jokes. Now why in the hell should I take that as an insult? :P
And the names of the ships mentioned here were but a small number out of the entire fleet. And yet you take that as the "typical" norm. Gee did you take Statistics? Learn anything about "Representative Samples"?
@RingSight91 Okay, Sheldon. You've set me staright once again. You are taking a joke WAY too seriously.
BTW, the USS Saratoga was a Miranda Class vessel from Kirk's era, so good it was still in use in the 24th Century. Saratoga was the first ship to encounter the whale probe in Star Trek IV. Also Kirk's era had no ships named after authors - heros maybe, but not authors.
@jtkirkfan2002 I know what the Saratoga was, thank you very much. I've only seen ST IV a dozen times on my DVD copy after I saw it in the theatre with my dad back in the day. Kirk's era might not have had ships named after authors or writers, but they had less ships and less ships classes too.
And StarFleet otherwise stubbornly sticking to American-only names would have been, studio PCness aside, plainly unfair in light of a United Earth government. You'd also run out of Yanks to name ships.
@RingSight91 Kirk's era typical names: Enterprise, Yorktown, Intrepid, Hood, Exeter, Defiant, Lexington...and even when named after people, they were cool people like "Grissom".
Picard's era typical names: Tolstoy, Crazy Horse, Equinox, Berlin, Yamato...
They went out of their way in TNG to be PC to the point of beign silly. Berlin I can understand, but Tolstoy? Really?
@jtkirkfan2002 "Kirk's era **typical** names"? Named after "American WW2" ships which were themselves named after a) older sailing ships (Enterprise, Intrepid) or b) old American cities or counties (Yorktown, Lexington)? Including Gus Grissom's namesake that makes what, THREE ships classes? Constitution, Miranda, and Oberth?
So how do you name the OTHER Nebula, Galaxy, Sovereign, Nova, and Intrepid, etc. class ships without "breaking the rules" and recycling [American-only] names?
@RingSight91 All ships of one class do not have to have similarly themed names. That was some sort of Trek tradition. There was a Nebula-class called "Farragut", (yet another name from Kirk's era that was borrowed from a heroic WWII vessel), and the "Intrepid Class" - by your definition, all ships of that class should have come from WWII vessels.
This was only a joke. Taking it to this serious extreme is why people call Star Trek fans Nerds. Good day, Sheldon. Tolstoy? Really?
Yorktown, Enterprise, Hornet. (Theme there anyone?)
Essex Class fast attack carriers:
Essex, Yorktown, Hornet, (hmmm) Intrepid, Lexington, Franklin, Bunker Hill, Wasp. No theme there either other than the fact that many were named for other carriers.
@jtkirkfan2002 >"Theme there anyone?...No theme there either"
You can thank the Washington Naval Treaty (1922) for that. Just because you're spouting WWII "carriers" does not mean those ships started their [design] lives as such. The Essex-class carriers were spawned from the Yorktown-class carriers which were themselves derived from the Lexington-class cancelled capital ships called BATTLECRUISERS. There you go with at least two early ships whose naming doesn't quite line-up after the others.
@jtkirkfan2002 There is a theme of a sort. The names come from previous ships or land battles. Essex, Wasp,Hornet and Intrepid were used by a number of U S Navy warships, starting during the times of wooden sailing ships. Bunker Hill, Saratoga, Lexington, and Yorktown were Revolutionary War battles and Franklin was fought during the American Civil War. Granted, the Franklin could have been named after Benjamin Franklin.
@Steve17010 I mentioned that many were named after other vessels. There has been an "Enterprise" in the US fleet almost as long as there has been a US. The point was that "Sheldon" was trying to convince me that Star Trek (TNG and later) utilized a "theme" when naming ships within a class. It just wasn't true. This all started with a simple "TOS v TNG" joke, "a story with a humorous climax", and a humorless troll's obsession with "proving" it wasn't funny. Done discussing it.
@jtkirkfan2002 >"by your definition, all ships of that class should have come from WWII vessels"
Goddamn you are ignorant, aren't you? When are you going to realize that the United States Navy does NOT have a monopoly on so-called Heroic names from WWII? Those USN Destroyers were named after a PERSON, Adm. David Farragut, and there have been FIVE to date, including today's DDG-99. (Duh! So much for your *WWII* heroic ships name bullshit.)
If David = Person, And Leo = Person, So Nebula-class OK!
@RingSight91 What the hell are you talking about? For a ship to be "Nebula-class" then it had to be based on the first ship of that line, i.e. USS Nebula. Show me Mr. Nebula and I will respect your logic, since Farragut was named after a person.
@jtkirkfan2002 >"For a ship to be "Nebula-class" then it had to be based on the first ship of that line, i.e. USS Nebula."
That is an **unfounded assumption** on your part. Just because the Enterprise D was class-named after USS Galaxy does not mean the somewhat similarly-styled Nebula class required a USS Nebula have been commissioned first. Thank you Mr. Okuda. No wonder you're composing these so-called jokes.
@jtkirkfan2002 >"All ships of one class do not have to have similarly themed names."
That was one of the most ignorant things I've read so far. And you have the nerve to call yourself a Trek fan. Okuda, et al, went to great pains to have some sort of consistency in their ship's class naming conventions, and you basically say there's no sense to it all. Bloody Marvelous. You're nowhere near a Navy Base, are you? Google some names and see what patterns show, if you have eyes to see.
@RingSight91 No they did not. Find me the naming convention for the Excelsior-class. There was "Excelsior" which sounds magestic but literally means "fine wood shavings". There was "Enterprise" which was named after another ship. There were "Lokata" and "Crazy Horse" named after people. There was a "Hood" which was likely named after another ship.
@jtkirkfan2002 >"Find me the naming convention for the Excelsior-class."
Okay, they were named after **Historic** PEOPLE (Al-Batani, Crazy Horse, Crockett, Gorkon, Grissom, Lakota, Livingston, Malinche, Potemkin, Roosevelt, Tecumseh), ancient SHIPS (Enterprise, Excelsior, Fearless, Intrepid, Repulse), and PLACES (Berlin, Cairo, Charleston, [Mt.] Hood, Okinawa, Melbourne, Valley Forge), or variants thereof. Key Word HISTORIC (real or fictional). Happy now?
@jtkirkfan2002 And WTF do you mean by "WWII Vessels" as a class naming source? Was there only one sort of USN ship during WWII? There were battleships, destroyers, and [Essex-class] aircraft carriers.
And you're confusing Class with Names.
USS VOYAGER NCC-74656 was INTREPID CLASS starship, the second of her kind.
USS INTREPID CV-11 was an ESSEX CLASS (CV-9) aircraft carrier, one of ten including the Yorktown and the Lexington; but developed from the YORKTOWN CLASS so no naming theme.
@RingSight91 There were more classes of carriers than the Essex.
I am not confusing class with names, dummy. To be of the "Intrepid-class" a starship would have had to have been based upon the "USS Intrepid" of the 24th Century, (not to be counfuse with all of the preceeding vessels of that name). By your rules, all ships of that class would have to follow the same naming theme. Since we have only seen Voyager (canon) to my knowledge, what pray tell, it that theme?
@jtkirkfan2002 Who says an "Intrepid-class" ship has to be named after a ship of that particular name? The first Enterprise NX-01 did NOT spawn an "Enterprise-class" at her time, did it? i.e. NX-02 Columbia was simply designated an "NX-class" vessel.
Do your homework, they're based upon a "Heroic" theme. Hence the Bellerophon (Greek mythology hero), Intrepid (bravery against odds), and Voyager (leaving the familiar). Can't see a theme there?
@RingSight91 PS - GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You humorless nerd. This isn't religion it's a firggin' TV show. The joke was about the rivalry between original series fans and those, like you, who came later. (Seeing TWOK in a theater doesn't count.) You are taking this WAY too seriously, trying your damnedest to "prove" that what I originally said was not funny. I should have just put you on the ignore list then. Welcome to it now, jerk.
@evrbody Part II wasn't written when Part I was filmed. The whole idea of a cliffhangar and Picard becoming Locutus was because Stewart hadn't signed his contract. Had he not come to terms, it gave them a way to kill him off. However that "incentive" worked and they worked out a deal and had to figure out a way to restore Picard.
LOL nop, the Sovereign is not a warship, is still a exploration ship with improved sensor arrays and defense systems (advanced ablative armour to defend against the borg) , the federation has 90% of the fleet filled with exploration vessels. Only till the Borg encounter, the Federation started to build some armored weapons models, like the defiant.
@385x01y to answer your question he did because it is old naval tradition to call the CO of a ship captian reguardless of rank so a LT could be captian and so on
Hard to believe that out of 40 ships no one came up with some off the wall starfleet engineering magic, like launching their warp nacelles at the borg at warp 9 or something, traveling back in time to before they got there and preparing better, something!
Why the hell would you go to battle the borg with civilians on board. You were a genius, Roddenberry, but putting families on the TNG-era ships was just a dumb idea. Space is just too damn dangerous...even in your utopian "everybody gets along" universe.
erm... by the time of the dominion war, the constitution class starships was retired for for nearly a century. Besides the design made it very easy to take down.
erm... by the time of the dominion war, the constitution class starships was retired for for nearly a century. Besides the design made it very easy to take down.
I think maybe the battle of Wolf 359 is the point at which the federation decided to stop having families on starships. Generally you don't expect your ships to get so easily pwnt, and theyre usually on boring science or exploration missions so it would make sense to have the crews families on board- but after so many ships getting wasted at 359 I can imagine starfleet saying "okay no more civillians"
Thats why the Enterprise-D passengers goes from like 1000 in the early seasons to 400 later on
@kernkraft88 I've heard the whole incident described as being like the 9/11 of the Federation, and the time afterwards called post-359. Starfleet changes a lot after this event, dewy-eyed idealists like Picard start to make way for warriors like Sisko, Starfleet starts building all out warships like the Enterprise E, the Defiant and the Equinox, science and exploration start becoming secondary concerns and organizations such as Section 31 emerge. No more families or therapists on the bridge.
@PassiveSmoking The Equinox wasn't a warship, it was a Nova class ship which is a short range science vessel with limited weapons and resources and a maximum speed of warp 8. The Voyager (Intrepid class) was tactically superior to the Equinox and easily overpowered that ship. But the Enterprise E, Defiant, Akira and experimental Prometheus class ships were definetely all warships. Starfleet began to develop faster ships with more powerful shields, ablative hull armor and quantum torpedoes.
@PassiveSmoking Section 31 was around since before the founding of the Federation, working behind the scenes and out of the spotlight. Had Sloan been able to recruit Bashir I doubt any of the other characters would have ever known the organization ever existed.
@kernkraft88 The Borg threat had a lot to do with it, but the removal of families from the Galaxy later on in Cannon had more to do with the Dominion War, when these ships saw HEAVY overhaul and massive additions to their weapons arrays. They were needed at front lines, where Families do not belong. But the Galaxy was and always is a family vessel design; so after the Dom War, its highly likely they returned.
@kernkraft88 It isn't every class of starship that holds civilians. The Galaxy class was an exploration vessel. The Sovereign class was a warship. Some ships hold civilian crews, but not all.
@kernkraft88 It is also the point in which the Federation decided to create warships and advance their military technology instead of just research. It led to the creation of the Defiant class for example.
This and the Dominion war your forgetting. After Wolf 359 the federation designed smaller more efficient ships to combat the borg. Such as the Sabre, Akira, steamrunner, and Defiant. And why they decided to upgrade older ships such as the excellsior with power sheilds and quantum torpedo's.
People think the federation are badass's but during the TNG episodes they were weak as shit. But during the Domion wars and the 2nd borg invasion they had learned there lessons.
About the 40 ships.......40 Federation ships, at this point of that fateful day(excluding the Enterprise,at this point, because she was disabled by the Borg), did reach Wolf 359, which included the USS Endeavour, which was mentioned at some point of Star Trek Voyageur. And, their was mention about two Klingon ships there as well, which were also distroyed......info from Star Trek Chronology...The History of the Future (Volume 1).
4:10 Seriously, what do Starfleet make their ships out of, paper? That was like 1 second of cutting beam and half the saucer is gone!
neildKoR 1 week ago
God I hope when we finally do build starships we don't use plastic explosives in the consols.
BadBunnyRides 4 weeks ago
A slaughter!
42Cleve 1 month ago
Wasn't Riker offered a promotion to the Melbourne? Bet he is glad he didn't take it ^__^
brinpol 1 month ago
I feel sad for the 10,000 or so people who died....
eeblihp 1 month ago
This looks interesting, but the quality on the non-TNG stuff is horrible.
talaxian1 2 months ago
i also saw a flash of a ship also used Archers Enterprise how that Warp nessel was destroyed i will not Forget soon 5:00 till 5:06 it is in view
RavenDestroyer 4 months ago
Ah this is actually really cool, nice work!
mysongsend 5 months ago
at 3:31 I swear to God I heard Dr. McCoy speak...
NilChoudhury 5 months ago
It always gave me a shiver when Shelby began reciting ship names as she recognized them on screen. As if giving an obituary.
AeronPeryton 6 months ago
is tht ship in startrek borg th uss melbourne
DruDogSeven 6 months ago
@DruDogSeven No, the ship is the USS Righteous, an excelsior class ship.
ryhoyarbie 5 months ago
Where's Janeway when you need exaggerated technology that defeats the Borg without any effort whatsoever?
MexicanTuber 6 months ago
must have had added footage from ds9
techracer2003 6 months ago
eh? sisko was there?
techracer2003 6 months ago
@techracer2003 Yeah, the series (DS9) kicks off amidst the Wolf 359 incident (straight from the pilot).
gillianseed 6 months ago
@techracer2003 Yeah that was the set up of DS9. A broken warrior that had to get his isht together. While that definitely happened, yeah it really never gets mentioned again. At least when the Defiant blew up you'd think a flashback or nod to that might have been warranted.
rubaiyat300 2 months ago
What's with the clips from that ship that looks like Voyager with Voyager style uniforms? Bad acting and the uniforms are years ahead of date... what's this from?
Nemesis000000 6 months ago 2
@Nemesis000000 It was from Star Trek Borg - an interactive game. Many of the actors appeared in other TV episodes such as the Vodwar in a Voyager episode (Dragons Teeth), the captain was in another episode I can't think of and a few other films, and of course Q appeared in the game as well, so they were actually professional actors, filmed at Paramount.. most likely under a much heavier budget. The game itself was alright, but all you did was click on area's of these screen.
madmonkeynat 6 months ago 6
@Nemesis000000 It is funny though how that woman is just sitting there almost calmly while the borg is right at her terminal and in fact most of the crew is just calmly sitting or standing around while the Borg hostilely interacts with their computer. Lol. It's like they're acting like a Borg attack happens every day so no fear of harm is going to be done to them.
csgrambauer 1 month ago
this is realy good
Seantorky3 7 months ago
@Seantorky3 Thanks Sean :)
madmonkeynat 6 months ago
I love the Road to perdition music it fits perficly nice eddit thumbs up!
MrIlovegamez 7 months ago
Gaaaah, I always get so mad when a borg beams onto the bridge of a ship and NO ONE TRIES TO DO ANYTHING. Except one guy, usualy, who gets beat.
notablegoat 7 months ago
@notablegoat its becasue they aint a threat and they adapt very quickly and are like super strong lol
MrIlovegamez 7 months ago
@MrIlovegamez The borg isn't a threat? Yes it is! And noboby tries to stop it, they all just stand there and watch it!
notablegoat 7 months ago
@notablegoat No what i mean is that they are busy and theres no point trying to stop em lol
MrIlovegamez 7 months ago
@notablegoat right? like where is security? phasers? they all should have tried to stop it because it uploaded all there weakness's to the cube.
mlee2001 1 month ago
I don't understand why Starfleet lost. I mean they had an Oberth Class ship out there!
phillies0477 7 months ago
0:46 Resistence is ... hopeless??? Ummm... i think it was futile, but questioning Picard/Locutus is futile as well.
TheRealGeriBoss 7 months ago
Nice editing man. Great upload
RichyJam2011 7 months ago
It seems that the bridge needs to have some baseball bats or big sticks, cuz MAN those phasers are ineffective far too often :/
StarWarsMoments 7 months ago
@rtds9fan the Enterprise episode with the Borg made them look more weak then Voyager ever did. Stupid episode over 200 years in the past everyone should have been assimlated.
specie8470 7 months ago
@specie8470 So true...I stopped watching Enterprise not long after it started.
rtds9fan 7 months ago
@rtds9fan
> I stopped watching Enterprise not long after it started.
So did most everyone else
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youneekk 8 months ago
Anyone else wish they would remaster star trek borg? Its not even DVD quality. Assuming they have the film elements, it should be possible to do it in HD.
awilliams1701 8 months ago
I know I saw other clips. I saw footage from enterprise and footage from ds9 involving the defiant.
awilliams1701 8 months ago
this was awesome & the editing was perfect & seamless!
azjla69 8 months ago 13
@azjla69 Thanks Az :)
madmonkeynat 8 months ago
wow... that star trek borg bit.. this stuff that wasnt from TNG or DS9 was directed and edited like shit. horrible.
robnor101 9 months ago
@robnor101 It's meant to be from the perspective of the player, to be fair to the game's creators.
BigJohnWoody 9 months ago
This was back when the Borg were kick ass dangerous bad guys....before Voyager turned them into big pussies.
rtds9fan 9 months ago 4
@rtds9fan eh.. voyager takes alot of flak about that, but you also have to remember that they had a couple of advantages.
They had (for alot of it) a borg onboard to help them "adapt" their systems, and they didn't have the borg with someone like picard telling them exactly where to hit etc etc.
Also, remember how easily the jem hadar wiped the floor with the oddesy with a couple fighters, while later on a fighter is almost a joke. The more study/experience the easier they are to kill.
testy462 7 months ago
What is "Star Trek Borg"? Some kind of web series or something?
Toobulations 9 months ago
@Toobulations a really crappy old PC game of the good old days of using filming of real people. The only gameplay is you are some red shirt and you click left or right, you choose the wrong decision, you die. Its ok if you you're a trek fan but even then not even close to decent.
Meatbun 9 months ago
@Meatbun Oh ok, haha! Sounds interesting anyways, thanks for answering that.
Toobulations 9 months ago
@Meatbun I've just finished seeing that. It wasn't horrible lol it was funny! Q got a whole lot more facetime.
R1ckr011 9 months ago
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@Toobulations a really crappy old PC game of the good old days of using filming of real people. The only gameplay is you are some red shirt and you click left or right, you choose the wrong decision, you die. Its ok if you you're a trek fan but even then not even close to decent.
Meatbun 9 months ago
Nuke em! Full warhead spread!
firepatriot42 10 months ago
Pure armature writing.....Helm lay in a course for Wolf 359, pull ahead of the Borg Cube then match speed. In other words... pull ahead of the Cube so we can wag our ass at it. Maybe we'll get lucky and it will shoot us and then we won’t have to fight.
abanks1959 10 months ago
u know they really should of had the borg on ds9 to see how sisko would react to them kinda like picard did in 1st contact
thebuckrogers22 10 months ago
at 6:14 you can see the main hull (and a warp nacelle?) of an constitution class and at 6:59 you can see the secundary hull
TheKemTV 11 months ago
@TheKemTV
If Starfleet is still using the Miranda-class ships, they've probably got several Constitution-class ships still in service as well.
Jerkwad152 10 months ago
@Jerkwad152 The Constitution class ship was retired (decommissioned) sometime in the early 24th century. Picard alluded to Scotty in 'Relics' that there was a Constitution Class ship in the fleet museum, though he said nothing of there being an existing ship in service. Even the redesigned and upgraded "refit version" of the ship was considered "old" by the time the Excelsior class was comming into service. It's highly unlikely that a constitution class ship was still in service in the 2360's.
captainbryce1 10 months ago
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RJF1966 11 months ago
5 People are borg
LovesJulie 11 months ago 19
@LovesJulie Would that not be the thumb ups, after all the borg won strikeing fear into the feds.
dahsandgrub 9 months ago
When that Borg Drone ( I beleive thats what the indivdual borg are called?) Beamed aboard that ship, I kept thinking to myself, "WHY is everyone just sitting there?" Only one guy tried to take it out. That room is full of people. Seriously, at least TRY to shoot it or something! I mean, I know they adapt, but nobody even put up any effort!
notablegoat 11 months ago
i have said it before and will say it again, this all could have been avoided if Picard and company weren't such pussys and would have programed "hugh" form "I Borg" with a virus that would have destroyed the borg. But NOOOOOOOO, "hugh" was nice, so they didn't want to harm him. The Federation deserves this
chadheroman 11 months ago
@chadheroman We don't really know that the Borg would not have discovered the virus & adapted accordingly. In the centuries that they've been assimilating worlds it's safe to say that someone else may have tried a virus. You can't just assume that the Federation would have been the only entity that would think of viruses & other weapons to fight the Borg. & FYI "Hugh" came after Wolf 359, not before. This is the battle of Wolf 359, not the battle of Sector 001.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 this is true, sorry i got my order wrong, but since this came before "Hugh", its even more of a reason for Picard to atleast try the virus. After seeing what the borg are capable of, so what if "Hugh" is kinda nice (in a borg sort of way), you have to atleast TRY to destroy them.
chadheroman 11 months ago
@chadheroman I agree, I'm just saying that since the Borg most likely encountered viruses before there's no guarantee that the virus Geordie was planning would have worked. You also have to remember that Data said in "I Borg" that it would take several months for the virus to work. That's more than enough time for the Borg to discover it & stop it. Picard & crew should have developed a virus that would destroy the Borg in seconds or minutes, not months.
Lizfan2 11 months ago 2
@Lizfan2 in a later book thats considered canon, that virus is used against the Borg and it ultimately stops them.
naimodo 10 months ago
@naimodo Yes I know. & it stopped them in minutes, not months. I'm assuming the book you're talking about is the book in which Janeway dies. BTW, it's not the virus that ultimately stops them. Read the "Star Trek:Destiny" books.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 That sounds remarkably like the TV episode endgame in ST VOY where the future Janeway comes back to get Voyager home quicker than in her timeline, thus saving 7/9's life. They used a Borg transwarp hub to get home and future Janeway injects herself with an anti-Borg virus and allows herself to be assimilated by the Borg Queen which utterly pwns the Collective and gets Voyager home 16 years faster. Generally an epic win on which to end the series.
randomface54 10 months ago
@randomface54 That was a completely different virus. & since the future Janeway changed history things didn't work out the same way they would have if she hadn't gone back in time. Because Janeway died in the Star Trek "Before Dishonor" book.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 Hang on... When Admiral Janeway sacrifices herself to infect the Borg in endgame, she destroys the central Unicomplex (Borg HQ) along with the transwarp hub. With the Hive mind crippled and the Borg transwarp network destroyed (their two main tactical advantages) the Borg wouldn't pose anywhere near as great a threat to the UFP. This alteration of history would render the other timeline defunct.
randomface54 10 months ago
@randomface54 There were a total of 5 Borg transwarp hubs in existence. Admiral Janeway destroyed only one. & destroying the hub didn't wipe out the Borg. Even if it rendered the Borg in the Delta Quad. unable to get to the Alpha Quad., there would have been other Borg cubes in the Alpha/Beta Quads/Gamma Quads. It's not like all Borg cubes were in the Delta Quad. at that time. Also, the Borg are capable of both adapting quickly & repairing things quickly.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 True, but destroying the Unicomplex along with all the Queens (kept in stasis until the current is destroyed then another is brought out as a replacement) would have severly damaged the Borg's ability to adapt, regenerate, coordinate large scale attacks and distribute information, as they are all reliant on the Hive, the centre of which was the Borg Queen within the Unicomplex. It might not have eradicated them, but it would take them a very long time to recover.
randomface54 10 months ago
@randomface54 Who said all the Queens were destroyed? I don't recall that ever being mentioned or implied. & define "a very long time".
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 There were actually 6
cowboykenny21 10 months ago
@randomface54 They could simply have set up another Borg HQ in one of the other transwarp hubs. Admiral Janeway was in the process of being assimilated & it's possible that the Borg managed to find a cure for the virus, too late for the Borg Janeway infected but not too late for the Borg species as a whole. Just because the Hive mind was crippled does not mean that it stayed that way. We saw in the series that the Borg can recover pretty quickly from setbacks & defeats.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 The Borg Queens were of a single species which was totally assimilated by the Borg, since Borg do not reproduce, they would be unable to produce more and since the Collective is inherently pragmatic the Queens would be kept within the central command complex. The HQ is connected to all the hubs, not at a single hub and since, as I said before, the Borg's adaptabilty comes from the Hive-Mind, with it gone, it could take centuries to rebuild. Finally, who said the Borg could adapt to.....
randomface54 10 months ago
@randomface54 The borg queen saw in 'Dark frontier' said 'I myself am from species 125 but thats irrellivent we are borg' - only referring to herself and not any other queen
cowboykenny21 10 months ago
@cowboykenny21 Since there were multiple Queens (numerous occasions where they have been killed) and they all appear to be the same species, also only 1 reference to the Queen's species was ever mentioned in canon ST. Offered explanation for Queen (not sure if it's canon but I don't know of any conflicting viewpoints) a single species (maybe 125) where the females were suited to act as a focal point for the Hive was completly assimilated. I don't remember where it's from but it seems to fit.
randomface54 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 ....everything, for instance Species 8472, since the virus was designed to destroy Borg, it is conceivable that they were unable to assimilate the virus itself and were thus unable to counteract it, since assimilation is the only method by which the Collective gathers new information about anything, hence why it took Voyager to develop the Nanoprobe torpedeos capable of defeating 8472, even though it was Borg tech' being used.
randomface54 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 Star trek books are not considered 'canon' and never should be
cowboykenny21 10 months ago
@cowboykenny21 Some of them may as well be.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@chadheroman except that didn't happen till LONG after Wolf 359
michaelflett09 7 months ago
Quite well done...the musical background at the end was inspired...
gallantly1 1 year ago
And that is why they built the defiant.
lordwisehammer 1 year ago
Gotta love how only one guy goes after the borg standing their on the bridge who is actively trying to destroy them while everyone else just carry on like its not there.
scryer808 1 year ago
I remember reading online that there were two vessels named USS Melbourne, one was a modified Nebula-class, with two main warp engines at the bottom, and two smaller nacelles above - normally where the torpedo launcher, or long-range sensor pos is placed - and the Excelsior-class that was destroyed in the opening assault
NCC1701J 1 year ago
The reason they lost so badly is that their ships had silly names like "Tolstoi". They needed ships with names like "Yorktown", "Lexington", and "Defiant".
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
@jtkirkfan2002 they lost badly coz the borg knew everything picard knew about starfleet
bryruncorn 1 year ago
@bryruncorn Did I really have to label my post a joke? You see I was making fun of the "politically correct" names that TNG thought they had to use for ships thoughout its run such as "Yamato", "Crazy Horse", "Berlin", "Tolstoi"... The implication was that if they had more ships named like starships were named during Kirk's era, they would have kicked Borg a**.
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
@jtkirkfan2002 i know u ment that they would kick ass but they would of still lost
bryruncorn 1 year ago
@bryruncorn You have a difficult time with sarcasm, don't you?
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
@jtkirkfan2002 Joke Fail. Political Correctness had nothing to do with how their ships were named. Names are dependent on Ship's Class, as they are today with Naval Ships. And It was no different during "Kirk's Era".
Yamato = WW2 Japanese Battleship (ship)
Crazy Horse = Native American, Chief won at Battle of Little Bighorn (person)
Berlin = German Capital (place)
Tolstoy = Leo Tolstoy, famous Russian Writer (person)
RingSight91 1 year ago
@RingSight91 The reason the joke "fails" is that you TNG and later junkies have NO sense of humor. Get a good grip on your chair while this old fan from way back in the beginning lets you in on a secret: Star Trek isn't real. It's supposed to be fun, not some sort of religion.
P.S. Most of the ships of Kirk's era were named for valiant WWII fighting vessels from the good ol' USA. It's not my fault that the ships from his time had cooler names.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 >"Most of the ships of Kirk's era were named for valiant WWII fighting vessels from the good ol' USA."
LOL, "most". As in "most that you know of", or, "at the most since the biggest they had was the CONSTITUTION Class"? "Cooler Names"? That's BS. Names mean nothing when it comes to Capabilities. e.g. You want to imply that the Yamato (of all things) was some pansy-ass vessel, but it was also a Galaxy-Class ship, sister to the Enterprise E. Contradict yourself much?
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 Listen to yourself. Is taking down a joke from an fan who was old enough to see TOS when it was on NBC really that important to you? It's people like you who inspired the famous Shatner SNL sketch. And the Enterprise-E is a Sovereign Class.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 You can joke all you want just make sure it makes sense. And there were a bunch of ships of the same class as those "cool, WW2 American-Inspired named ships of Kirk's time" you mentioned in this battle. Didn't seem to help their case any, e.g. Ben Sisko's Miranda-Class USS **Saratoga**.
And okay my bad, Sovereign not Galaxy. Still kicks ass more than the Constitutions et al of TOS' time, even with the Borg as the enemy.
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 DS9 was retro-con. I'm talking solely about the names of ships mentioned here and in other episodes of TNG.
You have taken a harmless joke more about the rivalry between TOS fans and TNG fans and disected it well beyond a normal person. I'm going to start calling you Sheldon, as in Dr. Sheldon Cooper of "Big Bang Theory", a show you would probably take as an insult.
See you later, Sheldon.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 Oh puhleaze, Big Bang Theory is hilarious. It's actually a show only smart people could relate to. I might not be a physicist but I get the physics jokes. Now why in the hell should I take that as an insult? :P
And the names of the ships mentioned here were but a small number out of the entire fleet. And yet you take that as the "typical" norm. Gee did you take Statistics? Learn anything about "Representative Samples"?
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 Okay, Sheldon. You've set me staright once again. You are taking a joke WAY too seriously.
BTW, the USS Saratoga was a Miranda Class vessel from Kirk's era, so good it was still in use in the 24th Century. Saratoga was the first ship to encounter the whale probe in Star Trek IV. Also Kirk's era had no ships named after authors - heros maybe, but not authors.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 I know what the Saratoga was, thank you very much. I've only seen ST IV a dozen times on my DVD copy after I saw it in the theatre with my dad back in the day. Kirk's era might not have had ships named after authors or writers, but they had less ships and less ships classes too.
And StarFleet otherwise stubbornly sticking to American-only names would have been, studio PCness aside, plainly unfair in light of a United Earth government. You'd also run out of Yanks to name ships.
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 Kirk's era typical names: Enterprise, Yorktown, Intrepid, Hood, Exeter, Defiant, Lexington...and even when named after people, they were cool people like "Grissom".
Picard's era typical names: Tolstoy, Crazy Horse, Equinox, Berlin, Yamato...
They went out of their way in TNG to be PC to the point of beign silly. Berlin I can understand, but Tolstoy? Really?
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 "Kirk's era **typical** names"? Named after "American WW2" ships which were themselves named after a) older sailing ships (Enterprise, Intrepid) or b) old American cities or counties (Yorktown, Lexington)? Including Gus Grissom's namesake that makes what, THREE ships classes? Constitution, Miranda, and Oberth?
So how do you name the OTHER Nebula, Galaxy, Sovereign, Nova, and Intrepid, etc. class ships without "breaking the rules" and recycling [American-only] names?
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 All ships of one class do not have to have similarly themed names. That was some sort of Trek tradition. There was a Nebula-class called "Farragut", (yet another name from Kirk's era that was borrowed from a heroic WWII vessel), and the "Intrepid Class" - by your definition, all ships of that class should have come from WWII vessels.
This was only a joke. Taking it to this serious extreme is why people call Star Trek fans Nerds. Good day, Sheldon. Tolstoy? Really?
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 >"some sort of Trek tradition."
NO That's NAVAL Tradition. Look to your own country for chrissakes!
Notice that all the Battleships are named after States (Arizona, New Jersey, Missouri, Alabama).
AFTER BB-class, permanently retired = State names re-used = went to the Ohio-Class Ballistic Nuclear Missile Submarines; SSBN-
Nuc Attack subs = Cities; Los Angeles Class; SSN-.
Guided Missile Destroyers = People; DDG- = Remember the COLE?
And on and on...
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 Yorktown Class fast attack carriers:
Yorktown, Enterprise, Hornet. (Theme there anyone?)
Essex Class fast attack carriers:
Essex, Yorktown, Hornet, (hmmm) Intrepid, Lexington, Franklin, Bunker Hill, Wasp. No theme there either other than the fact that many were named for other carriers.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 >"Theme there anyone?...No theme there either"
You can thank the Washington Naval Treaty (1922) for that. Just because you're spouting WWII "carriers" does not mean those ships started their [design] lives as such. The Essex-class carriers were spawned from the Yorktown-class carriers which were themselves derived from the Lexington-class cancelled capital ships called BATTLECRUISERS. There you go with at least two early ships whose naming doesn't quite line-up after the others.
RingSight91 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 There is a theme of a sort. The names come from previous ships or land battles. Essex, Wasp,Hornet and Intrepid were used by a number of U S Navy warships, starting during the times of wooden sailing ships. Bunker Hill, Saratoga, Lexington, and Yorktown were Revolutionary War battles and Franklin was fought during the American Civil War. Granted, the Franklin could have been named after Benjamin Franklin.
Steve17010 10 months ago
@Steve17010 I mentioned that many were named after other vessels. There has been an "Enterprise" in the US fleet almost as long as there has been a US. The point was that "Sheldon" was trying to convince me that Star Trek (TNG and later) utilized a "theme" when naming ships within a class. It just wasn't true. This all started with a simple "TOS v TNG" joke, "a story with a humorous climax", and a humorless troll's obsession with "proving" it wasn't funny. Done discussing it.
jtkirkfan2002 10 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 >"by your definition, all ships of that class should have come from WWII vessels"
Goddamn you are ignorant, aren't you? When are you going to realize that the United States Navy does NOT have a monopoly on so-called Heroic names from WWII? Those USN Destroyers were named after a PERSON, Adm. David Farragut, and there have been FIVE to date, including today's DDG-99. (Duh! So much for your *WWII* heroic ships name bullshit.)
If David = Person, And Leo = Person, So Nebula-class OK!
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 What the hell are you talking about? For a ship to be "Nebula-class" then it had to be based on the first ship of that line, i.e. USS Nebula. Show me Mr. Nebula and I will respect your logic, since Farragut was named after a person.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
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@jtkirkfan2002 >"For a ship to be "Nebula-class" then it had to be based on the first ship of that line, i.e. USS Nebula."
That is an **unfounded assumption** on your part. Just because the Enterprise D was class-named after USS Galaxy does not mean the somewhat similarly-styled Nebula class required a USS Nebula have been commissioned first. Thank you Mr. Okuda. No wonder you're composing these so-called jokes.
RingSight91 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 >"All ships of one class do not have to have similarly themed names."
That was one of the most ignorant things I've read so far. And you have the nerve to call yourself a Trek fan. Okuda, et al, went to great pains to have some sort of consistency in their ship's class naming conventions, and you basically say there's no sense to it all. Bloody Marvelous. You're nowhere near a Navy Base, are you? Google some names and see what patterns show, if you have eyes to see.
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 No they did not. Find me the naming convention for the Excelsior-class. There was "Excelsior" which sounds magestic but literally means "fine wood shavings". There was "Enterprise" which was named after another ship. There were "Lokata" and "Crazy Horse" named after people. There was a "Hood" which was likely named after another ship.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
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@jtkirkfan2002 >"Find me the naming convention for the Excelsior-class."
Okay, they were named after **Historic** PEOPLE (Al-Batani, Crazy Horse, Crockett, Gorkon, Grissom, Lakota, Livingston, Malinche, Potemkin, Roosevelt, Tecumseh), ancient SHIPS (Enterprise, Excelsior, Fearless, Intrepid, Repulse), and PLACES (Berlin, Cairo, Charleston, [Mt.] Hood, Okinawa, Melbourne, Valley Forge), or variants thereof. Key Word HISTORIC (real or fictional). Happy now?
RingSight91 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 And WTF do you mean by "WWII Vessels" as a class naming source? Was there only one sort of USN ship during WWII? There were battleships, destroyers, and [Essex-class] aircraft carriers.
And you're confusing Class with Names.
USS VOYAGER NCC-74656 was INTREPID CLASS starship, the second of her kind.
USS INTREPID CV-11 was an ESSEX CLASS (CV-9) aircraft carrier, one of ten including the Yorktown and the Lexington; but developed from the YORKTOWN CLASS so no naming theme.
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 There were more classes of carriers than the Essex.
I am not confusing class with names, dummy. To be of the "Intrepid-class" a starship would have had to have been based upon the "USS Intrepid" of the 24th Century, (not to be counfuse with all of the preceeding vessels of that name). By your rules, all ships of that class would have to follow the same naming theme. Since we have only seen Voyager (canon) to my knowledge, what pray tell, it that theme?
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 Who says an "Intrepid-class" ship has to be named after a ship of that particular name? The first Enterprise NX-01 did NOT spawn an "Enterprise-class" at her time, did it? i.e. NX-02 Columbia was simply designated an "NX-class" vessel.
Do your homework, they're based upon a "Heroic" theme. Hence the Bellerophon (Greek mythology hero), Intrepid (bravery against odds), and Voyager (leaving the familiar). Can't see a theme there?
RingSight91 11 months ago
@RingSight91 PS - GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You humorless nerd. This isn't religion it's a firggin' TV show. The joke was about the rivalry between original series fans and those, like you, who came later. (Seeing TWOK in a theater doesn't count.) You are taking this WAY too seriously, trying your damnedest to "prove" that what I originally said was not funny. I should have just put you on the ignore list then. Welcome to it now, jerk.
jtkirkfan2002 11 months ago
@jtkirkfan2002 Speaking of "secrets":
- I'm no "TNG junkie". I was old enough to see The Wrath of Khan in the theatres without needing to be told what movie I was about to see.
- I do too have a sense of humor. I lol'd when Jim Carrey parodied Jim Kirk in The Wrath of Farrakhan in In Living Color :P
RingSight91 11 months ago
Part 1: *dramatic buildup*. "Fire."
Part 2: "Well, that didn't do shit."
evrbody 1 year ago
@evrbody Part II wasn't written when Part I was filmed. The whole idea of a cliffhangar and Picard becoming Locutus was because Stewart hadn't signed his contract. Had he not come to terms, it gave them a way to kill him off. However that "incentive" worked and they worked out a deal and had to figure out a way to restore Picard.
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
LOL nop, the Sovereign is not a warship, is still a exploration ship with improved sensor arrays and defense systems (advanced ablative armour to defend against the borg) , the federation has 90% of the fleet filled with exploration vessels. Only till the Borg encounter, the Federation started to build some armored weapons models, like the defiant.
reerjgiorge 1 year ago
Is that a ship from Enterprise at 5:00, that ship has nothing to do with Worf 359.
385x01y 1 year ago
@385x01y That was a Nova class, the same as Equinox from Voyager.
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
Did Data call Riker CATPAIN at 2:10? Man Riker must have been pissed when Picard returned and he was again just a commander.
385x01y 1 year ago
@385x01y to answer your question he did because it is old naval tradition to call the CO of a ship captian reguardless of rank so a LT could be captian and so on
villiamslayer 1 year ago
@villiamslayer That is true, but prior to that Hansen had field promoted Riker to captain. He wore four pips on his collar for most of BOBW Part II.
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
If that had been the USS Yamato firing it's deflector.... there wouldn't be enough of a Borg ship left to fill coffee jar.
DartzIRL 1 year ago
just ram the cube damn it. geez. if you're gonna die might as well just take the enemy out with you. :)
MrHoppers002 1 year ago 3
I didn't know mirror Soval fought at Wolf 359 5:01
MemphisSportsFan 1 year ago
Hard to believe that out of 40 ships no one came up with some off the wall starfleet engineering magic, like launching their warp nacelles at the borg at warp 9 or something, traveling back in time to before they got there and preparing better, something!
srvfan454 1 year ago 2
@srvfan454 Yea I wondered why they didn't just shoot an old derelict starship at he cube on auto pilot at warp 9.
davethecritter 1 year ago
Lol. "We'll miss you at the party" OH ITS GONNA BE SOME PARTY
Balian49 1 year ago 2
Why the hell would you go to battle the borg with civilians on board. You were a genius, Roddenberry, but putting families on the TNG-era ships was just a dumb idea. Space is just too damn dangerous...even in your utopian "everybody gets along" universe.
Koldeman 1 year ago
@Koldeman I don't think starfleet expected a race called "the borg" to come out of nowhere to cause hell.
SAMMYJS991 1 year ago
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erm... by the time of the dominion war, the constitution class starships was retired for for nearly a century. Besides the design made it very easy to take down.
msvaughan 1 year ago
erm... by the time of the dominion war, the constitution class starships was retired for for nearly a century. Besides the design made it very easy to take down.
msvaughan 1 year ago
The borg ships were scary because they could fix themselves.
But Species 8472 were even scarier and tougher than the Borg.
picard94 1 year ago
@picard94 They WERE scarier, until Voyager found a way to take them down rather easily.
Aoitetsugakusha 1 year ago 2
The Borg should be introduced to the Flood and the Replicators.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 sounds like ''explosive cocktail''!!
ducktopia301 1 year ago
一瞬入っていたイントレピッドがダメージを受けるシーンがなければほぼ完ぺきなんだがなぁ・・・。何であんなもの入れた？
Upsilon09 1 year ago
I think maybe the battle of Wolf 359 is the point at which the federation decided to stop having families on starships. Generally you don't expect your ships to get so easily pwnt, and theyre usually on boring science or exploration missions so it would make sense to have the crews families on board- but after so many ships getting wasted at 359 I can imagine starfleet saying "okay no more civillians"
Thats why the Enterprise-D passengers goes from like 1000 in the early seasons to 400 later on
kernkraft88 1 year ago 17
@kernkraft88 I've heard the whole incident described as being like the 9/11 of the Federation, and the time afterwards called post-359. Starfleet changes a lot after this event, dewy-eyed idealists like Picard start to make way for warriors like Sisko, Starfleet starts building all out warships like the Enterprise E, the Defiant and the Equinox, science and exploration start becoming secondary concerns and organizations such as Section 31 emerge. No more families or therapists on the bridge.
PassiveSmoking 1 year ago 6
@PassiveSmoking Um... the Equinox was a science vessel, not a warship. It couldn't even get above warp 8
baalthegreat 1 year ago
@baalthegreat Equinox? Sorry, meant Prometheus!
PassiveSmoking 1 year ago
@baalthegreat lol, then it's so funny how it ended up in thwe delta qudrant almost 70,000 lightyears away
Euanbuddie 1 year ago
@Euanbuddie Not really. The caretaker didn't care what your ships speed was, he only cared that there were living beings on board.
baalthegreat 1 year ago
@PassiveSmoking
Like Q said "Federation is not prepared to face the outer reaches of the galaxy".
They needed to change to survive.
Picard said "We needed a kick in our complacency"
djslapdash 1 year ago
@PassiveSmoking The Equinox wasn't a warship, it was a Nova class ship which is a short range science vessel with limited weapons and resources and a maximum speed of warp 8. The Voyager (Intrepid class) was tactically superior to the Equinox and easily overpowered that ship. But the Enterprise E, Defiant, Akira and experimental Prometheus class ships were definetely all warships. Starfleet began to develop faster ships with more powerful shields, ablative hull armor and quantum torpedoes.
captainbryce1 10 months ago 16
@captainbryce1 WOW, I'm surprised you remember all that.
RumbleHD 1 month ago
@PassiveSmoking Section 31 was around since before the founding of the Federation, working behind the scenes and out of the spotlight. Had Sloan been able to recruit Bashir I doubt any of the other characters would have ever known the organization ever existed.
Fbueller129 9 months ago
@kernkraft88 The Borg threat had a lot to do with it, but the removal of families from the Galaxy later on in Cannon had more to do with the Dominion War, when these ships saw HEAVY overhaul and massive additions to their weapons arrays. They were needed at front lines, where Families do not belong. But the Galaxy was and always is a family vessel design; so after the Dom War, its highly likely they returned.
dracheous 1 year ago
@kernkraft88 It isn't every class of starship that holds civilians. The Galaxy class was an exploration vessel. The Sovereign class was a warship. Some ships hold civilian crews, but not all.
bamapagedesign 1 year ago
@kernkraft88 It is also the point in which the Federation decided to create warships and advance their military technology instead of just research.
degen83 1 year ago
@kernkraft88 It is also the point in which the Federation decided to create warships and advance their military technology instead of just research. It led to the creation of the Defiant class for example.
degen83 1 year ago
@kernkraft88
This and the Dominion war your forgetting. After Wolf 359 the federation designed smaller more efficient ships to combat the borg. Such as the Sabre, Akira, steamrunner, and Defiant. And why they decided to upgrade older ships such as the excellsior with power sheilds and quantum torpedo's.
People think the federation are badass's but during the TNG episodes they were weak as shit. But during the Domion wars and the 2nd borg invasion they had learned there lessons.
1ownjoo2 1 year ago
@kernkraft88 Notice also that when they are evacuating the Saratoga, they are yelling to get civillians to escape pods...
Austindude3954 10 months ago
@kernkraft88 There were still families onboard in Star Trek: Generations, which takes place several years after Wolf 359.
0manoscar 10 months ago
Nice compilation!
brightsorcerer 1 year ago
About the 40 ships.......40 Federation ships, at this point of that fateful day(excluding the Enterprise,at this point, because she was disabled by the Borg), did reach Wolf 359, which included the USS Endeavour, which was mentioned at some point of Star Trek Voyageur. And, their was mention about two Klingon ships there as well, which were also distroyed......info from Star Trek Chronology...The History of the Future (Volume 1).
Zeeta55 1 year ago
The most epic Star Trek battle ever fought.
Thirdshiftzombie 1 year ago 17
@Thirdshiftzombie think of "operation return"
trilobite1985 1 year ago
@Thirdshiftzombie I have to disagree there I think some of the Dominion war battles were better, Wolf 359 was realy more of a massacre than a battle
SwordsmanMercenary 10 months ago
@SwordsmanMercenary Agree. The second battle for Deep Space Nine was better than Wolf 359.
0manoscar 10 months ago
@0manoscar That's because Starfleet won the battle for DS9.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
COMPUTER! REPLICATE ME AN EARLY 21ST CENTURY BASEBALL BAT! ''HEY DRONE!'' BAM!!! worf style!
oh and if yr ship is fucked or u r feeling generous... go to warp into the borg cube, straight down the guts... that will hurt it, guarentee!!!
bigabs18281 1 year ago
And, the Endeavour was the only ship to survive Wolf 359.
Zeeta55 1 year ago
@Zeeta55 Where did you get that info? I thought all 40 ships were lost.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
tis kind of like a star trek version of pearl harbor and 9/11 combined
DruDogSeven 1 year ago
the borg make an awesome enemy and good episodes. more borg!
x11115 1 year ago
They should have made it so that only the red-shirts got killed at wolf 359.
MrMichael1701 1 year ago
40 fuckn starships..... why don't they all shoot at the same time?? beam some fuckn torpedoes into the ship... ad hansen was an asshole
knowpassword 1 year ago
@knowpassword
LMAO You've never even seen this episode have you. You're the asshole.
FBobby 1 year ago