I have me knickers in a twist. The superior German car companies " By the way Germany invented to car your welcome" bought out the english car makers of Rolls, and Bentley. How many mighty English soldiers of the crown who declared war on Germany in WWII when they could have prospered instead ran away like little girls at DUNKIRK HUH HOW COME THEY RAN AWA.
He cries about British rule in northern Ireland, whilst telling his very own niece to shut her mouth when she complains about her father , Gerry's own brother, raping her since she was a child.
Because Hypocrisy, is the "bread & butter" of Republicans here! Just ignore the fact, that his Party was the one that Negotiated & then Ratified the Treaty of Partition, back in '22, that doesn't mean he can't complain about the same bloody treaty that his own predecessors passed!
It was Sinn Fein that was responsible for Partition, it was SF that "sold you out" Gerry, but never let the facts get in the way of a good yarn, eh???
The strangest thing in this bizarre rant is that we'd be jealous of Germany! I have no clue why we would be! Unless it was a 'How many World Wars can you lose? competition'
@WrightsW5 Hello Limey How many people from the " brutalized nation of India that England forced to go to their deaths in Europe" Only a jealous weak nation needs to trick almost 100 nations into saving their butts. Look at England now no money shattered economy and no empire.Because they have German envy even though the majority and royal family are German but England is insane so what else. War with France for centuries then ally with them, and did not declare war on Russia who invaded poland.
England is so tough letting their economy be ruined by the jews then u fight 3rd world nations like china "the OPIUM WARS" in order to sell drugs". Your so called britons and celts died or were bread out a long time ago. U CAN SEND TROOPS TO SHUTDOWN IRELAND BUT IN LONDON YOU LET YOUR CITY BE TAKEN OVER FOR ALMOST A WEEK BY THIRD WORLDERS. England just get it your weak and a joke stop being so jealous of your big brother Germany and fix your crappy nation full of ugly people and delicious food.
So while I think what the English are doing now in ireland is illegal and wrong they already beat them whats the point. The only reason North Ireland votes different and you all know this is true. Is because the english sent mainly Scottish Protestants, and English to live there by the hundreds of thousands over the years.. They need to work on their ruin of a economy in London instead of pretending they are tough by picking on Ireland
@EmperorLucius77 I think you'll find London is the worlds largest financial center and the UK remains one of only a handful of countries to retain its AAA credit rating throughout the entire global economic crises. The English aren't doing anything illegal in Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland is almost entirely self-governing and has a great deal more autonomy than the Republic would be capable of providing.
This is becoming just a bunch of standard English doublespeak. In all truth Ireland did start this way back when the German tribes "that went to briton took over and were fighting amoung themselves". The Irish started raiding england and attacking the coasts asking for yearly human payments. Then the Saxons unified the tribes and they faught off the Irish and started what is today England.
@EmperorLucius77 Just to clarify before you waste a pointless post (THIS IS JUST A VERY SHORT DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HAPPENED). There are many other actions that started the country, but even the French NORMANS are still genetically German we just spilt after many wars. But Ireland has to realize they did start this whole thing.
You've got the entirely wrong coast here! The Irish, (actually the "Scotti"), raided the WEST coast of Britain, which is where St. Padraig, (who was Welsh!) was stolen from!
The Saxons invaded "East Anglia" on the East coast of Britain, but their influence NEVER spread to the West, the so-called "Celtic" coast of Britain, before the Norman conquest came!
Anglo-Saxon England never "put a violent hand" on Ireland, so to speak! THAT was the Normans!
Lucius, what 1000 year English occupation would that be?!!! Do you mean the one 843 years ago by the Norman French? The US media? don't suppose they say much about the invasion, occupation and genecide of the American Indian's country.
Sorry Ireland when we sent our disposable members of The great Germanic tribes to work as protection for the Britons when they paid us. We should have let them back instead of leaving them on that ugly Island (ANGLELAND) (Land of the Angles a German tribe) were they eventually mutated into the weird cousin that nobody talks about. I would go crazy to if my new homeland had such a depressing group of natives and only had sunshine 30 days a year but the runt of the litter always comes out F-ed up.
England is going crazy and losing its last bit of sanity. I was wondering if anyone knows how much money the English government pays to have all news about Ireland and its 1000 year occupation hidden from the US media for average people. You can not find out about it unless you are a serious student of history.The British are doing this in a 1st world nation and pretend it is non exsistent. If anyone knows please say why england is so obsessed with this pointless occupation.
does anyone find it strange that unionists were not so bothered with peoples right to self determination when people in dublin, or cork wanted it? but suddenly it is a cornerstone of their ideology! fucking hypocrites.
Funny, when there was NEVER a Referendum on Independence, that you would claim to know the wishes of everyone on the entire island, eh?
The Unionists' greatest fear, 100 years ago, was that an Independent or self-governing Ireland would descend into some kind of backward, repressive, Catholic Theocracy!
@DonegalRaymie201 well there was an election in 1918 wasnt there? what was the outcome of that election? sinn fein won 76 percent of the seats.
whether or not it would be a catholic dominated state is irrelevant, the democratic will of the people was for an independent ireland, and loyalist fascists did everything they could to prevent it, even though they were in the minority and had no democratic right to do so.
There was a UK General Election in 1918, not a Referendum! And in that GE, SF polled 46.7% of Votes! That is NOT a Mandate for Constitutional Change, by any Democratic Measure, I know of, is it??
The "Democratic Will" of the People was actually for the status quo, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn now!
@DonegalRaymie201 i never said it was a referendum you retard, what is your point?. combined with the IPP results, it shows a clear mandate for independence. you can try revising history all you want, the evidence speaks for itself. but then apologists for the illegal british occupation of ireland generally dont care for evidence do they lol.
The IPP were a DEVOLUTION Party you utter spaz! They did NOT stand for Independence in any way, shape or form you total fuckwit!
They were Home Rule Unionists in point of fact, ya historical retard, and in any case it was a General Election, NOT an Independence Referendum! You know, like the Scots are currently considering, because the SNP have an Elected Majority, (but not a Mandate yet!)??
@DonegalRaymie201 lol so home rule is not a form of independence? i disagree. in any case you said that the democratic will of the people was to maintain the status quo, if sinn fein and the home rule party recieved a majority of the votes this is impossible, as the status quo was direct rule.
since the foundation of the state the irish electorate have always voted for pro independence parties, this is a fact. you making stuff up and pretending it is true wont change that.
No! It's DEVOLUTION! You best look up the word, as you don't seem to know what it means eejit! (It's what Wales, NI & Scots currently have BTW, so there's a wee clue for ye!)
Oh, and since you don't know any history, the IPP did NOT recognize the SF Dail, and instead took up their Westminster seats, BECAUSE they were NOT a Pro-Independence Party! Get it yet??
No Party received any kind of Mandate for Constitutional change in 1918, that's why the Status Quo pertains!
@DonegalRaymie201 the IPP was a nationalist party, and many of its members saw it as a stepping stone to independence. that is why unionists were opposed to it. so basically what your saying is that unionists were quite happy with home rule as long as they were running the show and no catholics got a say.
if the irish didnt want their own country as you say, then their would be evidence to back up your bullshit claim. there is none. get over it, move on you sad bastard.
@DonegalRaymie201 you are the one saying that the irish never wanted their own country and you have the nerve to call me dumb. yes, i understand that the IPP were a devolution party, but the reason why a lot of people voted for them was because the only alternative was militant republicanism. they still wanted independence. if what you are saying was true, then we would still be part of the UK. you have absolutely no evidence to support what your saying. grow up and move on.
No moron, I'm SAYING that the Population of the WHOLE island, did not VOTE for Independence in 1918! That 21% Voted for Home Rule Devolution and 31% voted for Direct-Rule Unionism!
Whatever way you morons try to spin it, those are the facts!
And where the fuck do you get off claiming that People in 1918 were so fucking stupid that the Voted IPP by accident, when they really wanted the Indpendence, that SF stood for??
@DonegalRaymie201 because sinn fein were a militant republican party who believed in the use of physical force, and a lot of people didnt agree with that. do you have to be fucking spoon fed you gobshite?
@DonegalRaymie201 they did not vote for sinn fein because they were afraid of the british brutalizing them, that is the only reason, and it is the same reason fianna fail, a republican party, not devolutionist unionist parties which dont even exist in the republic, have been consistently the largest party in the state since its inception. grow up and move on, or keep fantasizing, whatever floats your boat.
Is there something wrong with what passes for a brain with you???
You're going to TELL me why People in 1918 did NOT vote for a particular party, are you?? What, did you personally interview them all as their voting habits did ye??
You're offering specious speculation, with fuck all proof, and claiming it as "knowledge" moron!
Stick to your fellow eejits, they might let you away with that shite!
@DonegalRaymie201 yes yes, we have heard this bullshit already. the irish dont want their own country. fuck off and bore someone else with your bullshit.
@DonegalRaymie201 'The Irish Parliamentary Party (IPP; commonly called the Irish Party or the Home Rule Party; in Irish Páirtí Parlaiminteach na hÉireann) was formed in 1882 by Charles Stewart Parnell, the leader of the Nationalist Party, replacing the Home Rule League, as official parliamentary party for Irish NATIONALIST Members of Parliament (MPs)'
so tell me again that the IPP was not a nationalist party. you are a cock. fuck off.
@DonegalRaymie201 you are consistently repeating the hullshit claim that the irish dont want their own country, either back your bullshit claim up with some evidence, or fuck off and bore someone else with your pathetic youtube argument. it is a bit of a coincidence that the irish started voting for parties that had set up the dail that you claim the irish people did not recognise, after they did not have a gun held to their head by the british scum. you retard. fuck off.
You're a fuckin' lying wee cunt! All I've done was to tear your "1918 Election Mandate" claims to shreds, but you lack the honesty to even see that, ya arsewipe!
"What I was exploding, was YOUR claim that SF had a Democratic mandate for Independence deriving from the 1918 General Election, which turned out to be bollox!"
I said that the IPP didn't recognize the SF Dail! THAT, is historical fact, ya lying wee shite!
@DonegalRaymie201 i can see that you are a complete arsewipe who is trying to deny the right of the irish people to self government like your loyalist forefathers. i guess the british had a huge madate from the irish people to invade the country and commit the outrageous acts of atrocities that they did. all you have done is make make bullshit claims and then not substantiate them. well im waiting. lets hear your evidence for the claim 'the irish never wanted their own country'
You just can't stop lying! I haven't said a thing about the present! And you can't even stay in the right century!
In 1918, NO Party gained a Mandate for Constitutional change, because NO Party gained a majority share of the Vote! Is that simple enough for your wee brain to understand yet???
(And FYI, it wasn't the Brits who invaded Ireland, it was the Anglo-Normans! Brits didn't even exist before 1707, ya historical retard! Read some history FFS!)
@DonegalRaymie201 aww, did the poor wee donegal man feel he had to try and converse with people on the net ? maybe it would actually work if you werent talking complete shite. aww poor lonely boy! substantiate your claim that the irish never wanted their own country as you keep claiming or else fuck off.
Where the fuck did I say that cunt?? Go on, quote me ya lying arsehole!
My point was yet again, that YOUR claim to a 1918 Mandate is a pile of utter pish, as I have proven! NO Party gained a Majority Vote, ya fuckin' eejit!
You're just a lying wee dick, with fuck all education, and even less integrity!
@DonegalRaymie201 aww the poor wee boy is trying to make himself look big on the 'puter. poor wee lonely boy. im not going to waste my time repeating your bullshit comments out to you. either people in dublin or cork wanted independence, or they dont. go and bore someone else with your bullshit.
@DonegalRaymie201 makes you feel big and clever starting pointless arguments on youtube does it? aw the big boy and his internet wars. like i said im not going to waste my time going through the litany of shite you have produced on this videos comments page. tell you what: if i agree with you and say, no, the irish never wanted their own country, as you keep saying, will you fuck off and bore someone else with your bullshit?
No arsehole, I was only correcting your bullshit claim about 1918! But of course you lack even the integrity to concede your error, and retreat to lying! So true to form!
@DonegalRaymie201 what you were doing was starting a pointless youtube argument because it is the only way you can get gratification. and you havent corrected anything. you have merely confirmed what i was saying.
@MrRobertJameson when you consider that the republic of ireland is far higher in the human development rankings than the uk, no, we are not better off in the uk. nor do we want to be part of it. so fuck off.
@crotchdonkey You're just a bankrupt slave of the EU, dependent on massive bailouts from the UK and the IMF, and the laughing stock of the entire world.
@DonegalRaymie201 i wasnt talking about northern ireland, i was talking about the republic of ireland. i have never said that northern ireland should not exist, you are just making stuff up again.
so you admit that the majority of people in dublin and cork wanted independence, as my original comment stated. thanks for conceding the point.
My 1st comment was: "Funny, when there was NEVER a Referendum on Independence, that you would claim to know the wishes of everyone on the entire island, eh?"
@DonegalRaymie201 im not a republican. as i will point out to you again, the majority of people on this island vote for pro independence parties. you do not need a referendum to figure out that the majority of irish people do not want to be part of the uk.
That doesn't even make sense eejit! "Independence" from the UK appears in NO manifesto of any ROI Party! That ship has long since sailed!
What I was exploding, was YOUR claim that SF had a Democratic mandate for Independence deriving from the 1918 General Election, which turned out to be bollox!
But of course you lack the grace to admit your obvious error! Nor surprising!
@DonegalRaymie201 "prick"another strange word for a Donegal man to use only folk using that word are blow in scots lad and the majority of them are good republicans living in gweedore lol
@WhyDontUHaveASeat Hitler loving bastard? Im not a nazi and have no respect for hitler, never have and never will. Have you ever been to a Rangers football match? You'll see your fellow Loyalists doing plently of Nazi Salutes there mate. I never said we'll be shipping you anywhere, all i said is that Ireland will be Reunited under Irish rule and if you dont accept that then you'd be better off moving to England.
@WhyDontUHaveASeat Im not an American. I live in the 6 counties of Occupied Ireland. Your homeland? So if you regard the 6 counties of NI as your homeland your Irish then? You need to read up on your history mate. And before you come out with nonsense about Ulster, Ulster is 9 counties, not 6. The Irish people have been in Ireland for 3000 years, the plantations of britain have been here for roughly 400 years and you say its your homeland? lol The boat to england is waiting
@WhyDontUHaveASeat Its common sense, you move back over to England where you belong.....Ahhh, but im forgetting, the westminister politicans dont even want ya anymore, do they? Sorry about that.
If Britain decides to give it's last bit of Irish territory away - just sign it over to Brussels, cut out the middleman, save the Irish some paperwork.
If you had one group of people wanting Irish rule and another wanting to remain in the UK, then what is wrong with having two states so there is something for both peoples. It also makes sense that the state that remains in the UK is where the people who want thatv are more concenrtrated. This isn't Gerrymandering it is common sense.
Meanwhile, Eire is begging to be allowed back in to the UK because they have no money and Britain has a little bit. This will happen just as Scotland leaves...
@SvenTviking Éire is Not begging anyone, and certainly not to return to the UK. The Irish Government borrowed billions form the UK Government, just like Britain's Gov. borrowed from the US Government in 1940, and Éire will pay back the loan. You must be living in the clouds, imagining a world rather than living in it.
The point is when Ireland was conquered it wasn't by us the modern British. English were fellow victims of the Normans. You don't see American Indians blaming black Americans for the occupation of their country. Or people saying modern Germans are Hitler's nazis.
First of all What the fuck is Northern Aaaarland Charlie?
Second: Why? For the love of all that's good and holy do we, when discussing Irish history, revert to such things as a Norman invasions? The whole purpose of history is to help us move forward and learn from the mistakes of the past. I gave up on, "Our wee country," a long time ago, all its good for is ill-educated spicks and terrorists throwing accusations around because they don't even have faith in the strength of their own beliefs
Shame it was your beloved popes who authorized the Norman invasions of Ireland. I wish they hadn't, they started all this hatred shit that's still around today.
The big mistake was giving away part of a piece of British territory not attached to the mainland. If we gave away 3/4 of the Isle of Wight, the islanders would soon claim the other 1/4 was their country. Understandable but WRONG!
Who invaded Ire?Th GoidelicCelts did,th NormanFrench did-not us,th modern day Brits,so DON'T blame us.We gave most of Ire. away,u don't c white Yanks giving th US back 2 th Indians,u don't see th arabs occupying N.Africa going back 2 arabia or th Turks in asia minor giving it& Constantinople back 2 Greece& fuckng off back 2 central asia.Be glad Brit. is soft, respect th Brits.If u had campaign of mass civil disobediance you'd've had much Brit sympathy.Th terrorism made u look like savages.
haha true I wouldnt want my kids in the same room as a catholic priest thats for sure!
the Adams family as well as the scum Mcguinesses should be killed exactly the same way as they killed innocent children in London when they put bombs in dustbins the revolting vermin
I wonder what Adams thinks about the Celtic invasion of Ireland. After all, the Celts originated in Western Europe. They weren't invited into (what is now) Ireland. Personally I think the Celts should be driven from Ireland. Give it back to the Mesolithic people. Only people who can be genetically traced back to these people are the true Irish.
@jslasher1 Wonder what Jesus is hiding so ? How about Santa...what's he hiding behind his beard ? Che Guervara and Richard Branson might be hiding something. Maybe Billy Connolly is a serial killer ? I wouldn't too much credence in what your mother told you about men with beards, it's a little bit silly.
if the majority there want to be part of the UK, they should be allowed to, sounds like democracy to me. You can't force them to be part of mainland ireland just because they used to be. Hell if an area of France wanted to become part of the UK and the UK wanted them, i say let 'em!
"You can't force them to be part of mainland ireland just because they used to be", That's just it, Ireland as a whole was NEVER united except by conquest, and from the perspective of the Unionists of Ulster, they chose to remain part of the UK, while the rest of the island seceded from the Union in 1922!
At least, that's how they would see Northern Ireland, I think. And yes, the clear Majority in NI want to remain in the UK!
@DonegalRaymie201 The plantations which were unjust are a result of why the IRA came about.Don't give me horseshit about an unwanted race in our land.
The Plantation was at the beginning of the 1600's eejit! The Provos emerged in 1969, ya Spanish moron, you just make yourself look ever more idiotic with every post!
@DonegalRaymie201 Irish history spans over 3000 years. The english have been in Irish History for around 800 years. That leaves 2200 years of irish history. You work it out.
As expected from an historical retard! The island of Ireland was NEVER a United State at any point in it's history, save by foreign conquest!
It was forever prior to that a collection of constantly waring Provinces, vying for dominance over each other, which is WHY it was so readily conquered by the Anglo-Normans, when they couldn't do the same to their own neighbours to the North, who WERE united into a Nation State!
@DonegalRaymie201 Ireland was made up of various kingdoms and the peoplee were all of one common nationality, that is Irish. States thounsands of years ago didntt exist like tthey do today. ONLY the irish people have the right to make a state on the Island of Ireland. The Anglo-Normans had no right to be here and their descendants have no right to british nationality either. I suggest you do alittle more reading and studying on history mo chara :)
@DonegalRaymie201 You call 53% a clear majority? 53% of NI today is said to be Unionist, 47 % is said to be Republican. By 2030 the republican community in Northern Ireland will be larger than the Unionist. So a referendum will be called and Ireland will be reunitified again.
Stop picking figures out yer fuckin' arse retard! Where the fuck did you read that shite?
In 2010, there were only 16%, that's SIXTEEN PERCENT, of People in NI who were in favour of a United Ireland, and only 33% of the RC community, according to the NILT results!
Feel free to check, and WTF does "reunitified" supposed to mean?
@DonegalRaymie201 calm down, now calm down, dear lol The truth is the truth. I suppose you got your figures and information from newspapers? Yeah, thought that. sorry i mistyped that, our country will be REUNIFIED within a short spacee of time. I forgot you loyalists were experts in english spelling and speech *blows raspberry* half of your people cant even write their own names right.
As expected, you picked your "figures" out yer own arse! And you wouldn't know the Truth if it shat on ye moron!
My figures however are from the Northern Ireland Life & Times survey, and are freely available online if you care to check! Yours?? Out yer own jacksy LMFAO!!
@DonegalRaymie201 "But keep dreaming, because thats all you've got!"
You keep thinking we're "dreaming", if that is what you use to comfort yourself lol the Union is over. Northern Ireland has to be and will be reunited with the other 26 counties where they belong.
@DonegalRaymie201 lol yet again, your expressing your thoughts you use to get yourself to sleep at night lol Let me educate you and please research what i say here: The ROI will be out of its debt problems by 2014, britain is in worse sshit than the ROI. In a recent poll in ROI 70% of people agreed N.Ireland should be reunited with the south. Finally, every political party in the ROI has it in their manifesto that they pursue a United Ireland :)
@DonegalRaymie201 will you just stop commenting to me, your like an old woman battering on "Northern Ireland this" or "Northern Ireland that", grow a pair of balls mate and get a life, will ya, your boring me to tears.
@Flamorgan name the 7 leading government members please ? In general, you have no idea of the antipathy the Gardai have towards the IRA. As regards our "new owners " your talking nonsense. We will have a Referendum to decide wheter we want more fiscal integration. At least we will have a vote to decide our own destiny unlike catholics up the north who were disinfranchised of the vote for many years in Northern Ireland.
@Flamorgan You stupid fucker. He was never going to get protection down here. He may have thought that he mighten be extradited or at least he could bide for time. The extradition process was going to take time to be processed. The Southern Government never harboured terrorists in the south you fucking idiot. They shot and killed members of the Irish Police force and Irish army and were never given protection here. The Irish government always extradited Provisional IRA wanted up north
There's nothing Ironic that Adams is leader of a Party that ratified the treaty in 1922 because the party was split 50/50 down the middle on the vote and it could just as easily have gone the other way bar a few votes. The party ceased to exist after the Vote until the IRA resurected the party later on. Irish political parties have a long history of fractures and splits.
Pay attention; you claimed that: "Adams would argue that it was Collins and the other members of the party that signed the treaty without party approval and made it redundant and an illegal document."
I point out that it was properly & democratically RATIFIED by SF in Dublin, so Adam's claims to it's "illegitimacy" are contradicted by the actions of his own Party!
Therein lies the ultimate hypocrisy of his case! (Or can't you even see that?)
I wasn't trying to win anything, I was trying to explain what & why I find Adams & modern Sinn Fein utterly, sickeningly hypocritical, as Adams is in this interview!
I hoped I could explain through reasoned argument & historical knowledge, why I find this to be so, that is all!
Utter bullshit! There were ONLY SF members IN the 1st Dail!
""The Dáil voted to approve the Treaty but the objectors refused to accept it, leading eventually to the Irish Civil War. Dáil Éireann after long debate, voted to ratify the Treaty on 7 January 1922 by a vote of 64 to 57."
Your not paying attention to what I'm saying. The whole treaty negoiations was a fiasco. There wasn't proper communications between London and Dublin Lloydd George out manourvered the Irish negoiatiors and the Delegation presented the terms fait accompli to Sinn Fein back home. It Splintered the party in half so what i'm saying is that Sinn Fein as a party were divided. Yes it was a democratic vote and anti treaty lost and should have accepted the decision but don't tell me Sinn Fein were united
@Flamorgan Please stop talking shit. His brother was only recently extradited across the border so a case is been prepared for the for his prosecution of you charge. About Ireland RIP.The IMF were in England in 1977. Secondly,If you think Ireland is bad, Wait till you see what's coming down the line for the UK.They're banking Crisis is gonna make Ireland's crisis look like a mild Recession.England's Banks are up to their Necks and are printing money. Keep watching and try reading.
@Flamorgan Gerry's father was never convicted of paedophilia although Gerry has said publicly that his father was an abuser. His brother has yet to be convicted but yes, he too is an abuser. Please try and be a little more precise in your statements. Your use of the word "hide" is incorrect. The correct Grammar is hid. Your spelling is atrocious also. If your going to level abuse at people, please do it with a bit of style.
Our day will come. Ireland will be a united nation of equals one day - where all our peoples and cultures will be respected and celebrated, with no exceptions.
Kind of ironic though, that the Political Party that Adams represents, is the very same one that negotiated & ratified the Treaty of Partition back in '21, that created Northern Ireland, the State then, that Sinn Fein "Gerrymandered"!
Of course, if the interviewer knew anything about Irish history or had done any homework, he would have been able to bring up this point to Adams directly!
P.S. "Gerrymandering" is named after a US Senator Gerry, BTW!
Well, Technically yes but when Collins signed the treaty along with Arthur Griffith, he didn't have the express support of all members of the party and it subsequently split over the matter. They didn't have the express permission of it's leader de valera but lets not go into all that. Adams would argue that it was Collins and the other members of the party that signed the treaty without party approval and made it redundant and an illegal document.
Don't scapegoat Collins & Griffiths, he was sent to the negotiations by the Machiavellian Yank, De Valera! And anyway, the Treaty that Collins had signed in London, had to be RATIFIED. And that it was in Dublin, by the MAJORITY of SF members!
Whatever way you look at it, the Treaty of Partition was passed by SF & SF alone! No other party, not even the Unionists even got to vote on it!
But of course, Adams neglects to mention any of this...Typical really!
@DonegalRaymie201 There's no need to tell me about De Velera. Personally I think he was greatest cunt that ever walked and held this country back 30 years with his delusional and fantasist vision for Ireland.Comely maidens dancing at the crossroads and sounds of rural Industry.Yes, he was a machiavelian snake and set Collins up to take the bad news home.He hadn't the balls to make the monentous decision and I believe was full of Indecision at the time.He was never a real leader
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Lucius, yes we invaded an India under mughal occupation, then eventually set them free, if we hadn't they'd STILL be under mughal occupation.
WrightsW5 1 week ago
I have me knickers in a twist. The superior German car companies " By the way Germany invented to car your welcome" bought out the english car makers of Rolls, and Bentley. How many mighty English soldiers of the crown who declared war on Germany in WWII when they could have prospered instead ran away like little girls at DUNKIRK HUH HOW COME THEY RAN AWA.
EmperorLucius77 1 week ago
How can anyone take this man Gerry Adams serious?
He cries about British rule in northern Ireland, whilst telling his very own niece to shut her mouth when she complains about her father , Gerry's own brother, raping her since she was a child.
sirgouldie72 2 weeks ago
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Because Hypocrisy, is the "bread & butter" of Republicans here! Just ignore the fact, that his Party was the one that Negotiated & then Ratified the Treaty of Partition, back in '22, that doesn't mean he can't complain about the same bloody treaty that his own predecessors passed!
It was Sinn Fein that was responsible for Partition, it was SF that "sold you out" Gerry, but never let the facts get in the way of a good yarn, eh???
DonegalRaymie201 2 weeks ago
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The strangest thing in this bizarre rant is that we'd be jealous of Germany! I have no clue why we would be! Unless it was a 'How many World Wars can you lose? competition'
WrightsW5 2 weeks ago
@WrightsW5 Hello Limey How many people from the " brutalized nation of India that England forced to go to their deaths in Europe" Only a jealous weak nation needs to trick almost 100 nations into saving their butts. Look at England now no money shattered economy and no empire.Because they have German envy even though the majority and royal family are German but England is insane so what else. War with France for centuries then ally with them, and did not declare war on Russia who invaded poland.
EmperorLucius77 1 week ago
England is so tough letting their economy be ruined by the jews then u fight 3rd world nations like china "the OPIUM WARS" in order to sell drugs". Your so called britons and celts died or were bread out a long time ago. U CAN SEND TROOPS TO SHUTDOWN IRELAND BUT IN LONDON YOU LET YOUR CITY BE TAKEN OVER FOR ALMOST A WEEK BY THIRD WORLDERS. England just get it your weak and a joke stop being so jealous of your big brother Germany and fix your crappy nation full of ugly people and delicious food.
EmperorLucius77 3 weeks ago
So while I think what the English are doing now in ireland is illegal and wrong they already beat them whats the point. The only reason North Ireland votes different and you all know this is true. Is because the english sent mainly Scottish Protestants, and English to live there by the hundreds of thousands over the years.. They need to work on their ruin of a economy in London instead of pretending they are tough by picking on Ireland
EmperorLucius77 3 weeks ago
@EmperorLucius77 I think you'll find London is the worlds largest financial center and the UK remains one of only a handful of countries to retain its AAA credit rating throughout the entire global economic crises. The English aren't doing anything illegal in Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland is almost entirely self-governing and has a great deal more autonomy than the Republic would be capable of providing.
basch2020 2 weeks ago
This is becoming just a bunch of standard English doublespeak. In all truth Ireland did start this way back when the German tribes "that went to briton took over and were fighting amoung themselves". The Irish started raiding england and attacking the coasts asking for yearly human payments. Then the Saxons unified the tribes and they faught off the Irish and started what is today England.
EmperorLucius77 3 weeks ago
@EmperorLucius77 Just to clarify before you waste a pointless post (THIS IS JUST A VERY SHORT DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HAPPENED). There are many other actions that started the country, but even the French NORMANS are still genetically German we just spilt after many wars. But Ireland has to realize they did start this whole thing.
EmperorLucius77 3 weeks ago
@EmperorLucius77
You've got the entirely wrong coast here! The Irish, (actually the "Scotti"), raided the WEST coast of Britain, which is where St. Padraig, (who was Welsh!) was stolen from!
The Saxons invaded "East Anglia" on the East coast of Britain, but their influence NEVER spread to the West, the so-called "Celtic" coast of Britain, before the Norman conquest came!
Anglo-Saxon England never "put a violent hand" on Ireland, so to speak! THAT was the Normans!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
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Lucius, what 1000 year English occupation would that be?!!! Do you mean the one 843 years ago by the Norman French? The US media? don't suppose they say much about the invasion, occupation and genecide of the American Indian's country.
WrightsW5 3 weeks ago
Sorry Ireland when we sent our disposable members of The great Germanic tribes to work as protection for the Britons when they paid us. We should have let them back instead of leaving them on that ugly Island (ANGLELAND) (Land of the Angles a German tribe) were they eventually mutated into the weird cousin that nobody talks about. I would go crazy to if my new homeland had such a depressing group of natives and only had sunshine 30 days a year but the runt of the litter always comes out F-ed up.
EmperorLucius77 3 weeks ago
England is going crazy and losing its last bit of sanity. I was wondering if anyone knows how much money the English government pays to have all news about Ireland and its 1000 year occupation hidden from the US media for average people. You can not find out about it unless you are a serious student of history.The British are doing this in a 1st world nation and pretend it is non exsistent. If anyone knows please say why england is so obsessed with this pointless occupation.
EmperorLucius77 3 weeks ago
@EmperorLucius77
Are you Special Needs?
You can find out the ENTIRETY of English, Irish & Anglo-Norman history here by just going to the Library and reading a few decent books!
Radical idea I know, why don't you try it??
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
does anyone find it strange that unionists were not so bothered with peoples right to self determination when people in dublin, or cork wanted it? but suddenly it is a cornerstone of their ideology! fucking hypocrites.
crotchdonkey 1 month ago
@crotchdonkey
Funny, when there was NEVER a Referendum on Independence, that you would claim to know the wishes of everyone on the entire island, eh?
The Unionists' greatest fear, 100 years ago, was that an Independent or self-governing Ireland would descend into some kind of backward, repressive, Catholic Theocracy!
They weren't far off the money, were they???
DonegalRaymie201 4 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 well there was an election in 1918 wasnt there? what was the outcome of that election? sinn fein won 76 percent of the seats.
whether or not it would be a catholic dominated state is irrelevant, the democratic will of the people was for an independent ireland, and loyalist fascists did everything they could to prevent it, even though they were in the minority and had no democratic right to do so.
crotchdonkey 4 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
There was a UK General Election in 1918, not a Referendum! And in that GE, SF polled 46.7% of Votes! That is NOT a Mandate for Constitutional Change, by any Democratic Measure, I know of, is it??
The "Democratic Will" of the People was actually for the status quo, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn now!
DonegalRaymie201 4 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 i never said it was a referendum you retard, what is your point?. combined with the IPP results, it shows a clear mandate for independence. you can try revising history all you want, the evidence speaks for itself. but then apologists for the illegal british occupation of ireland generally dont care for evidence do they lol.
crotchdonkey 4 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
The IPP were a DEVOLUTION Party you utter spaz! They did NOT stand for Independence in any way, shape or form you total fuckwit!
They were Home Rule Unionists in point of fact, ya historical retard, and in any case it was a General Election, NOT an Independence Referendum! You know, like the Scots are currently considering, because the SNP have an Elected Majority, (but not a Mandate yet!)??
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 lol so home rule is not a form of independence? i disagree. in any case you said that the democratic will of the people was to maintain the status quo, if sinn fein and the home rule party recieved a majority of the votes this is impossible, as the status quo was direct rule.
since the foundation of the state the irish electorate have always voted for pro independence parties, this is a fact. you making stuff up and pretending it is true wont change that.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
No! It's DEVOLUTION! You best look up the word, as you don't seem to know what it means eejit! (It's what Wales, NI & Scots currently have BTW, so there's a wee clue for ye!)
Oh, and since you don't know any history, the IPP did NOT recognize the SF Dail, and instead took up their Westminster seats, BECAUSE they were NOT a Pro-Independence Party! Get it yet??
No Party received any kind of Mandate for Constitutional change in 1918, that's why the Status Quo pertains!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 ah the pretend Doe=negal man is on here as well trolling away lol
or are just a bitter orangie upset that brits didnt want Donegal is their pretend ulster ?
WAXY950 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 the IPP was a nationalist party, and many of its members saw it as a stepping stone to independence. that is why unionists were opposed to it. so basically what your saying is that unionists were quite happy with home rule as long as they were running the show and no catholics got a say.
if the irish didnt want their own country as you say, then their would be evidence to back up your bullshit claim. there is none. get over it, move on you sad bastard.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Are you actually trying to play dumb??
The IPP, were a DEVOLUTION Party! The wanted a National Parliament for Ireland, but within the UK; just like the Scots currently have eejit!
THAT is the Manifesto on which they stood in 1918 Election, NOT Independence, like SF! If Folk wanted to vote for Independence, they would vote SF!
What part of that does your wee brain fail to grasp, you retarded fuckwit??
I'm pointing out ONLY that SF did NOT gain a Democratic Mandate!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 you are the one saying that the irish never wanted their own country and you have the nerve to call me dumb. yes, i understand that the IPP were a devolution party, but the reason why a lot of people voted for them was because the only alternative was militant republicanism. they still wanted independence. if what you are saying was true, then we would still be part of the UK. you have absolutely no evidence to support what your saying. grow up and move on.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
No moron, I'm SAYING that the Population of the WHOLE island, did not VOTE for Independence in 1918! That 21% Voted for Home Rule Devolution and 31% voted for Direct-Rule Unionism!
Whatever way you morons try to spin it, those are the facts!
And where the fuck do you get off claiming that People in 1918 were so fucking stupid that the Voted IPP by accident, when they really wanted the Indpendence, that SF stood for??
They voted IPP, because they BELIEVED in IPP!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 because sinn fein were a militant republican party who believed in the use of physical force, and a lot of people didnt agree with that. do you have to be fucking spoon fed you gobshite?
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
They didn't agree with ANY of what SF stood for, that's why they voted IPP or IUP!
Nobody can 2nd guess WHY they did NOT vote SF eejit; we ONLY know that they didn't!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 they did not vote for sinn fein because they were afraid of the british brutalizing them, that is the only reason, and it is the same reason fianna fail, a republican party, not devolutionist unionist parties which dont even exist in the republic, have been consistently the largest party in the state since its inception. grow up and move on, or keep fantasizing, whatever floats your boat.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Is there something wrong with what passes for a brain with you???
You're going to TELL me why People in 1918 did NOT vote for a particular party, are you?? What, did you personally interview them all as their voting habits did ye??
You're offering specious speculation, with fuck all proof, and claiming it as "knowledge" moron!
Stick to your fellow eejits, they might let you away with that shite!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 yes yes, we have heard this bullshit already. the irish dont want their own country. fuck off and bore someone else with your bullshit.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Grow up wean, and learn some fuckin' history! You're a moronic, lying cretin!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 'The Irish Parliamentary Party (IPP; commonly called the Irish Party or the Home Rule Party; in Irish Páirtí Parlaiminteach na hÉireann) was formed in 1882 by Charles Stewart Parnell, the leader of the Nationalist Party, replacing the Home Rule League, as official parliamentary party for Irish NATIONALIST Members of Parliament (MPs)'
so tell me again that the IPP was not a nationalist party. you are a cock. fuck off.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
It WAS a NATIONALIST Party, ONLY in the sense that it wanted a DEVOLVED National Parliament, just like the Scots currently have, you fucking moron!
It was NOT an Independence Party, ya stupid cunt! It NEVER advocated Independence OR separation you utter spoon!
Why the fuck did the IPP MPs NOT recognize the 1st Dail Eireann then, and instead take up their Westminster seats, eh???
Ya brainless wee fuckwit!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 you are consistently repeating the hullshit claim that the irish dont want their own country, either back your bullshit claim up with some evidence, or fuck off and bore someone else with your pathetic youtube argument. it is a bit of a coincidence that the irish started voting for parties that had set up the dail that you claim the irish people did not recognise, after they did not have a gun held to their head by the british scum. you retard. fuck off.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
You're a fuckin' lying wee cunt! All I've done was to tear your "1918 Election Mandate" claims to shreds, but you lack the honesty to even see that, ya arsewipe!
"What I was exploding, was YOUR claim that SF had a Democratic mandate for Independence deriving from the 1918 General Election, which turned out to be bollox!"
I said that the IPP didn't recognize the SF Dail! THAT, is historical fact, ya lying wee shite!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 i can see that you are a complete arsewipe who is trying to deny the right of the irish people to self government like your loyalist forefathers. i guess the british had a huge madate from the irish people to invade the country and commit the outrageous acts of atrocities that they did. all you have done is make make bullshit claims and then not substantiate them. well im waiting. lets hear your evidence for the claim 'the irish never wanted their own country'
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
You just can't stop lying! I haven't said a thing about the present! And you can't even stay in the right century!
In 1918, NO Party gained a Mandate for Constitutional change, because NO Party gained a majority share of the Vote! Is that simple enough for your wee brain to understand yet???
(And FYI, it wasn't the Brits who invaded Ireland, it was the Anglo-Normans! Brits didn't even exist before 1707, ya historical retard! Read some history FFS!)
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 aww, did the poor wee donegal man feel he had to try and converse with people on the net ? maybe it would actually work if you werent talking complete shite. aww poor lonely boy! substantiate your claim that the irish never wanted their own country as you keep claiming or else fuck off.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Where the fuck did I say that cunt?? Go on, quote me ya lying arsehole!
My point was yet again, that YOUR claim to a 1918 Mandate is a pile of utter pish, as I have proven! NO Party gained a Majority Vote, ya fuckin' eejit!
You're just a lying wee dick, with fuck all education, and even less integrity!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 aww the poor wee boy is trying to make himself look big on the 'puter. poor wee lonely boy. im not going to waste my time repeating your bullshit comments out to you. either people in dublin or cork wanted independence, or they dont. go and bore someone else with your bullshit.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Ha ha ha! Couldn't find it, could ye??? Typical wee dickhead! Can't back up your allegations OR your lies!
What a surprise, from a lying wee runt!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 makes you feel big and clever starting pointless arguments on youtube does it? aw the big boy and his internet wars. like i said im not going to waste my time going through the litany of shite you have produced on this videos comments page. tell you what: if i agree with you and say, no, the irish never wanted their own country, as you keep saying, will you fuck off and bore someone else with your bullshit?
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
No arsehole, I was only correcting your bullshit claim about 1918! But of course you lack even the integrity to concede your error, and retreat to lying! So true to form!
You're just a lying wee dick!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 what you were doing was starting a pointless youtube argument because it is the only way you can get gratification. and you havent corrected anything. you have merely confirmed what i was saying.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
"combined with the IPP results, it shows a clear mandate for independence."
Once a Liar, always a liar, ya lying wee cunt!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 you are making a fool of yourself with every bullshit comment you leave in my inbox. grow up, move on, get a life.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Stop lying, then we'll both be happy!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 i already said i agreed with you that the irish dont want their own country! what more do you want you pathetic gobshite?
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Where did I say that, you fucking liar! QUOTE ME! Or quit lying!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 im agreeing with you you sad bastard! your right, we dont want our own country! and its still not good enough for you.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Liar!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 yes you are.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
What are you, a fuckin' 10 year old???
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 what are you, a fool who starts pointless arguments on the internet?
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey The bankrupt south was far better off as part of the UK.
The terrorist campaign of 1919-1922 was pointless as Home Rule had already been given in 1914.
MrRobertJameson 3 weeks ago
@MrRobertJameson when you consider that the republic of ireland is far higher in the human development rankings than the uk, no, we are not better off in the uk. nor do we want to be part of it. so fuck off.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey Yeah, sure it is, ha ha ha!!
When's the next IMF bailout from your German masters?
MrRobertJameson 3 weeks ago
@MrRobertJameson go and check it for yourself. and go and bore someone else with your bullshit.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey You're just a bankrupt slave of the EU, dependent on massive bailouts from the UK and the IMF, and the laughing stock of the entire world.
When's the next bailout from your German masters?
MrRobertJameson 3 weeks ago
@MrRobertJameson and your a boring loser with nothing better to do than start pointless arguments on the internet. grow up, get a life.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey The bankrupt, third world south is the laughing stock of the whole world ever since it signed its sovereignty away forever.
MrRobertJameson 3 weeks ago
@MrRobertJameson you are a laughing stock.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
"if what you are saying was true, then we would still be part of the UK."??
That's EXACTLY why Northern Ireland still is eejit! Don't you get it???
SF were HAPPY to sign away the Ulster Unionists in their negotiations, as that DID give them a Majority in the remaining 26 counties!
SF, & SF ALONE negotiated & ratified the Treaty of Partition, and NO ONE else even got to vote on it, not even the Unionists!
But of course that's been conveniently forgotten by you eejits.
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 i wasnt talking about northern ireland, i was talking about the republic of ireland. i have never said that northern ireland should not exist, you are just making stuff up again.
so you admit that the majority of people in dublin and cork wanted independence, as my original comment stated. thanks for conceding the point.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
Liar! Now you're back tracking!
My 1st comment was: "Funny, when there was NEVER a Referendum on Independence, that you would claim to know the wishes of everyone on the entire island, eh?"
Typical fucking Rep' liar!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 im not a republican. as i will point out to you again, the majority of people on this island vote for pro independence parties. you do not need a referendum to figure out that the majority of irish people do not want to be part of the uk.
crotchdonkey 3 weeks ago
@crotchdonkey
That doesn't even make sense eejit! "Independence" from the UK appears in NO manifesto of any ROI Party! That ship has long since sailed!
What I was exploding, was YOUR claim that SF had a Democratic mandate for Independence deriving from the 1918 General Election, which turned out to be bollox!
But of course you lack the grace to admit your obvious error! Nor surprising!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 calling folk names again poor form that says that youve got nothing to add
WAXY950 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 still bitter orangie ? still loyal to your queen ? even though you claim to be from Doengal
WAXY950 3 weeks ago
@WAXY950
You're a sad tedious moron, with a month old account, no doubt 1 of many!
So who did you used to be??
(And you really are a boring, repetitive Troll btw!)
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 im boring ? lol
so you a bitter orangie or some scotty pretending to be from gods county ?
WAXY950 3 weeks ago
@WAXY950
I'm not the 1 with a month old account, am I prick???
You're the only faker here!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "prick"another strange word for a Donegal man to use only folk using that word are blow in scots lad and the majority of them are good republicans living in gweedore lol
WAXY950 3 weeks ago
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@WAXY950
Bullshit! You just can't answer the question, can ye??
'm not the 1 with a month old account, am I prick???
You're the only faker here!
You're fuckin' see-through LOL!!!
DonegalRaymie201 3 weeks ago
northern ireland is still ireland, what a fucking retard this interviewer is.
crotchdonkey 1 month ago
good guy
thecyberpunkten 1 month ago
@WhyDontUHaveASeat Hitler loving bastard? Im not a nazi and have no respect for hitler, never have and never will. Have you ever been to a Rangers football match? You'll see your fellow Loyalists doing plently of Nazi Salutes there mate. I never said we'll be shipping you anywhere, all i said is that Ireland will be Reunited under Irish rule and if you dont accept that then you'd be better off moving to England.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@WhyDontUHaveASeat Im not an American. I live in the 6 counties of Occupied Ireland. Your homeland? So if you regard the 6 counties of NI as your homeland your Irish then? You need to read up on your history mate. And before you come out with nonsense about Ulster, Ulster is 9 counties, not 6. The Irish people have been in Ireland for 3000 years, the plantations of britain have been here for roughly 400 years and you say its your homeland? lol The boat to england is waiting
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@WhyDontUHaveASeat Its common sense, you move back over to England where you belong.....Ahhh, but im forgetting, the westminister politicans dont even want ya anymore, do they? Sorry about that.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
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If Britain decides to give it's last bit of Irish territory away - just sign it over to Brussels, cut out the middleman, save the Irish some paperwork.
WrightsW5 1 month ago
Well said Gerry.
aughalough1 1 month ago
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IRA terrorist scum
LoyalistScotland1991 1 month ago
If you had one group of people wanting Irish rule and another wanting to remain in the UK, then what is wrong with having two states so there is something for both peoples. It also makes sense that the state that remains in the UK is where the people who want thatv are more concenrtrated. This isn't Gerrymandering it is common sense.
DRDFOX 1 month ago
Eire may be lost forever, the EU's bitch - and Adams wants to flush Northern Ireland down the toilet.
WrightsW5 1 month ago
Meanwhile, Eire is begging to be allowed back in to the UK because they have no money and Britain has a little bit. This will happen just as Scotland leaves...
SvenTviking 1 month ago
@SvenTviking Éire is Not begging anyone, and certainly not to return to the UK. The Irish Government borrowed billions form the UK Government, just like Britain's Gov. borrowed from the US Government in 1940, and Éire will pay back the loan. You must be living in the clouds, imagining a world rather than living in it.
GAELMIC 1 month ago
@SvenTviking You must be very comfortable living in your own little fantasy world in your head lol
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
The point is when Ireland was conquered it wasn't by us the modern British. English were fellow victims of the Normans. You don't see American Indians blaming black Americans for the occupation of their country. Or people saying modern Germans are Hitler's nazis.
WrightsW5 1 month ago
First of all What the fuck is Northern Aaaarland Charlie?
Second: Why? For the love of all that's good and holy do we, when discussing Irish history, revert to such things as a Norman invasions? The whole purpose of history is to help us move forward and learn from the mistakes of the past. I gave up on, "Our wee country," a long time ago, all its good for is ill-educated spicks and terrorists throwing accusations around because they don't even have faith in the strength of their own beliefs
gfarmstrong1 1 month ago
dont call it ulster, otherwise let the whole of ulster's 9 counties vote on it, not just the chosen 6, its a fuckin sham
ProtestantlRA 1 month ago
stupid american thinks Gerry dosnt live in Ireland of course he does IRELAND is an island
largoisthebest 1 month ago
Shame it was your beloved popes who authorized the Norman invasions of Ireland. I wish they hadn't, they started all this hatred shit that's still around today.
WrightsW5 2 months ago
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The big mistake was giving away part of a piece of British territory not attached to the mainland. If we gave away 3/4 of the Isle of Wight, the islanders would soon claim the other 1/4 was their country. Understandable but WRONG!
WrightsW5 2 months ago
Who invaded Ire?Th GoidelicCelts did,th NormanFrench did-not us,th modern day Brits,so DON'T blame us.We gave most of Ire. away,u don't c white Yanks giving th US back 2 th Indians,u don't see th arabs occupying N.Africa going back 2 arabia or th Turks in asia minor giving it& Constantinople back 2 Greece& fuckng off back 2 central asia.Be glad Brit. is soft, respect th Brits.If u had campaign of mass civil disobediance you'd've had much Brit sympathy.Th terrorism made u look like savages.
WrightsW5 2 months ago
@Flamorgan
haha true I wouldnt want my kids in the same room as a catholic priest thats for sure!
the Adams family as well as the scum Mcguinesses should be killed exactly the same way as they killed innocent children in London when they put bombs in dustbins the revolting vermin
steven8hamilton 2 months ago
@Flamorgan
In a normal straight thinking world the Adams scum would have been executed long ago
steven8hamilton 2 months ago
@Flamorgan
great point!!!!!!!!!!!!!
steven8hamilton 2 months ago
Correction
He lives in a part of the UK where the population democratically decided to stay part of the UK
if the whining terrorist tosser hates it so much why dont he move to Dublin then and stop pollution our air
dirty cunt I spit on him, the terrorist filth
steven8hamilton 2 months ago
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The Basques were the original colonizers of Britain and Ireland, this is shown by DNA evidence.
WrightsW5 2 months ago
I wonder what Adams thinks about the Celtic invasion of Ireland. After all, the Celts originated in Western Europe. They weren't invited into (what is now) Ireland. Personally I think the Celts should be driven from Ireland. Give it back to the Mesolithic people. Only people who can be genetically traced back to these people are the true Irish.
whitbyjet65 2 months ago
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Adams, When are the Scots going to withdraw the occupation of Pictland?
WrightsW5 2 months ago
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Britain = Europe's nigger, Ireland = Europes weaker nigger.
WrightsW5 2 months ago
My mum used to say that anyone with a beard "has something to hide."
jslasher1 2 months ago
@jslasher1 It's a good thing Santa is not real then.Long live Gerry Adams the the P.I.R.A
Cullyy1989 2 months ago
@jslasher1
But what was she hiding then?
HLecterPHD 2 months ago
@jslasher1 Wonder what Jesus is hiding so ? How about Santa...what's he hiding behind his beard ? Che Guervara and Richard Branson might be hiding something. Maybe Billy Connolly is a serial killer ? I wouldn't too much credence in what your mother told you about men with beards, it's a little bit silly.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@Flamorgan and we will never surrender to a joke like you.as i said keep spewing.
bansheewhiskey 2 months ago
@Flamorgan We never surrendered to scum and we never will.Keep spewing.
bansheewhiskey 2 months ago
@Flamorgan that was the least they could do. all in all the IRA owned the sas pretty neatly but keep crying on here kiddo.
bansheewhiskey 2 months ago
@Flamorgan That's a stupid comment.You must be 12.
bansheewhiskey 2 months ago
if the majority there want to be part of the UK, they should be allowed to, sounds like democracy to me. You can't force them to be part of mainland ireland just because they used to be. Hell if an area of France wanted to become part of the UK and the UK wanted them, i say let 'em!
iliketha 2 months ago
@iliketha
"You can't force them to be part of mainland ireland just because they used to be", That's just it, Ireland as a whole was NEVER united except by conquest, and from the perspective of the Unionists of Ulster, they chose to remain part of the UK, while the rest of the island seceded from the Union in 1922!
At least, that's how they would see Northern Ireland, I think. And yes, the clear Majority in NI want to remain in the UK!
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago 2
@DonegalRaymie201 The plantations which were unjust are a result of why the IRA came about.Don't give me horseshit about an unwanted race in our land.
bansheewhiskey 2 months ago
@bansheewhiskey
The Plantation was at the beginning of the 1600's eejit! The Provos emerged in 1969, ya Spanish moron, you just make yourself look ever more idiotic with every post!
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago 2
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@DonegalRaymie201 never mind this sad orangie hes just pissed the brits left Donegal
WAXY950 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Ireland was a united state at one point, i think people like you should read up on your history.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
I think People like you should sober up! WHEN, exactly was Ireland a "united state"??
In which particular fictitious version of history did that happen??
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Irish history spans over 3000 years. The english have been in Irish History for around 800 years. That leaves 2200 years of irish history. You work it out.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
As expected from an historical retard! The island of Ireland was NEVER a United State at any point in it's history, save by foreign conquest!
It was forever prior to that a collection of constantly waring Provinces, vying for dominance over each other, which is WHY it was so readily conquered by the Anglo-Normans, when they couldn't do the same to their own neighbours to the North, who WERE united into a Nation State!
Reading will set you free!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Ireland was made up of various kingdoms and the peoplee were all of one common nationality, that is Irish. States thounsands of years ago didntt exist like tthey do today. ONLY the irish people have the right to make a state on the Island of Ireland. The Anglo-Normans had no right to be here and their descendants have no right to british nationality either. I suggest you do alittle more reading and studying on history mo chara :)
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 You call 53% a clear majority? 53% of NI today is said to be Unionist, 47 % is said to be Republican. By 2030 the republican community in Northern Ireland will be larger than the Unionist. So a referendum will be called and Ireland will be reunitified again.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
Stop picking figures out yer fuckin' arse retard! Where the fuck did you read that shite?
In 2010, there were only 16%, that's SIXTEEN PERCENT, of People in NI who were in favour of a United Ireland, and only 33% of the RC community, according to the NILT results!
Feel free to check, and WTF does "reunitified" supposed to mean?
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 calm down, now calm down, dear lol The truth is the truth. I suppose you got your figures and information from newspapers? Yeah, thought that. sorry i mistyped that, our country will be REUNIFIED within a short spacee of time. I forgot you loyalists were experts in english spelling and speech *blows raspberry* half of your people cant even write their own names right.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
As expected, you picked your "figures" out yer own arse! And you wouldn't know the Truth if it shat on ye moron!
My figures however are from the Northern Ireland Life & Times survey, and are freely available online if you care to check! Yours?? Out yer own jacksy LMFAO!!
But keep dreaming, because that's all you've got!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "But keep dreaming, because thats all you've got!"
You keep thinking we're "dreaming", if that is what you use to comfort yourself lol the Union is over. Northern Ireland has to be and will be reunited with the other 26 counties where they belong.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
Yeah with all of your 16% support, I think you'll find you're the Dreamer, not me!
And Christ, the ROI couldn't afford it even if there was support for it, but keep nursing those dreams and praying for a miracle!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 lol yet again, your expressing your thoughts you use to get yourself to sleep at night lol Let me educate you and please research what i say here: The ROI will be out of its debt problems by 2014, britain is in worse sshit than the ROI. In a recent poll in ROI 70% of people agreed N.Ireland should be reunited with the south. Finally, every political party in the ROI has it in their manifesto that they pursue a United Ireland :)
Your the dreamer here mo chara
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
You're talking out of your arse again! And you couldn't educate a dog, you retard!
Exactly what logic underpins your assertion that: "ROI will be out of its debt problems by 2014"??? Do you know what our debt to GDP ratio even is??
The ROI has ZERO say or claim to NI, and hasn't since 1998 moron when we dropped the claims from the Constitutiion, ya eejit!
The future of NI lies ENTIRELY with the People of NI; that was the whole import of the GFA! Just read it!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 will you just stop commenting to me, your like an old woman battering on "Northern Ireland this" or "Northern Ireland that", grow a pair of balls mate and get a life, will ya, your boring me to tears.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
Couldn't fuckin' answer the points again, as expected from a fucked up retard! You're a moron!
Educate yourself, Christ knows you need to!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 i just did answer the points in my previous comments. Now go on away ya old woman ye
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@CrazyIrishDrunk1
You're a fuckin' LIAR too then!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
@DonegalRaymie201 ahh shut your pie-hole and go away ya ol' granny ye
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
@iliketha You must be a yank
bansheewhiskey 2 months ago
@bansheewhiskey no i mustn't
iliketha 2 months ago
@iliketha
Exactly, cunt adams doesnt respect the fact that the people of Ulster chose to stay British
The silly idiot should move to Dublin if hates it so much
just because he didnt get his own way doesnt mean he shoudl disrespect the poeple who chose to stay british
steven8hamilton 2 months ago
@Flamorgan name the 7 leading government members please ? In general, you have no idea of the antipathy the Gardai have towards the IRA. As regards our "new owners " your talking nonsense. We will have a Referendum to decide wheter we want more fiscal integration. At least we will have a vote to decide our own destiny unlike catholics up the north who were disinfranchised of the vote for many years in Northern Ireland.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@RichardElden
What, and make him a Martyr for the "cause"? No thanks, my guts couldn't take that!
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago 3
@Flamorgan You stupid fucker. He was never going to get protection down here. He may have thought that he mighten be extradited or at least he could bide for time. The extradition process was going to take time to be processed. The Southern Government never harboured terrorists in the south you fucking idiot. They shot and killed members of the Irish Police force and Irish army and were never given protection here. The Irish government always extradited Provisional IRA wanted up north
KrackowKid 2 months ago
choir boy fiddler
amaya8182 2 months ago
Is evil Gerry a paedophile?
karezza6 2 months ago
The Act of Union was ratified in 1801 (1803 ?) as well but doesn't mean it was the right thing to do either.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
There's nothing Ironic that Adams is leader of a Party that ratified the treaty in 1922 because the party was split 50/50 down the middle on the vote and it could just as easily have gone the other way bar a few votes. The party ceased to exist after the Vote until the IRA resurected the party later on. Irish political parties have a long history of fractures and splits.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@KrackowKid
Pay attention; you claimed that: "Adams would argue that it was Collins and the other members of the party that signed the treaty without party approval and made it redundant and an illegal document."
I point out that it was properly & democratically RATIFIED by SF in Dublin, so Adam's claims to it's "illegitimacy" are contradicted by the actions of his own Party!
Therein lies the ultimate hypocrisy of his case! (Or can't you even see that?)
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago 3
@DonegalRaymie201 That's a good point. You won the debate.
KrackowKid 2 months ago 3
@KrackowKid
I wasn't trying to win anything, I was trying to explain what & why I find Adams & modern Sinn Fein utterly, sickeningly hypocritical, as Adams is in this interview!
I hoped I could explain through reasoned argument & historical knowledge, why I find this to be so, that is all!
I hope you see my perspective.
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 it wasnt ratified by SF, SF didnt take there seats in the dail til the 80's. please dont make up stuff
seanogcarey 1 month ago
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@seanogcarey
Utter bullshit! There were ONLY SF members IN the 1st Dail!
""The Dáil voted to approve the Treaty but the objectors refused to accept it, leading eventually to the Irish Civil War. Dáil Éireann after long debate, voted to ratify the Treaty on 7 January 1922 by a vote of 64 to 57."
Try talking less shite eejit!
DonegalRaymie201 1 month ago
Your not paying attention to what I'm saying. The whole treaty negoiations was a fiasco. There wasn't proper communications between London and Dublin Lloydd George out manourvered the Irish negoiatiors and the Delegation presented the terms fait accompli to Sinn Fein back home. It Splintered the party in half so what i'm saying is that Sinn Fein as a party were divided. Yes it was a democratic vote and anti treaty lost and should have accepted the decision but don't tell me Sinn Fein were united
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@Flamorgan Please stop talking shit. His brother was only recently extradited across the border so a case is been prepared for the for his prosecution of you charge. About Ireland RIP.The IMF were in England in 1977. Secondly,If you think Ireland is bad, Wait till you see what's coming down the line for the UK.They're banking Crisis is gonna make Ireland's crisis look like a mild Recession.England's Banks are up to their Necks and are printing money. Keep watching and try reading.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@Flamorgan Gerry's father was never convicted of paedophilia although Gerry has said publicly that his father was an abuser. His brother has yet to be convicted but yes, he too is an abuser. Please try and be a little more precise in your statements. Your use of the word "hide" is incorrect. The correct Grammar is hid. Your spelling is atrocious also. If your going to level abuse at people, please do it with a bit of style.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
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Our day will come. Ireland will be a united nation of equals one day - where all our peoples and cultures will be respected and celebrated, with no exceptions.
118DMG118 2 months ago
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118DMG118 2 months ago
You just know when Gerry mentioned Gerrymandered State that Charlie haven't a fucking clue what he was talking about. The expression says it all.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@KrackowKid
Kind of ironic though, that the Political Party that Adams represents, is the very same one that negotiated & ratified the Treaty of Partition back in '21, that created Northern Ireland, the State then, that Sinn Fein "Gerrymandered"!
Of course, if the interviewer knew anything about Irish history or had done any homework, he would have been able to bring up this point to Adams directly!
P.S. "Gerrymandering" is named after a US Senator Gerry, BTW!
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago 2
Well, Technically yes but when Collins signed the treaty along with Arthur Griffith, he didn't have the express support of all members of the party and it subsequently split over the matter. They didn't have the express permission of it's leader de valera but lets not go into all that. Adams would argue that it was Collins and the other members of the party that signed the treaty without party approval and made it redundant and an illegal document.
KrackowKid 2 months ago
@KrackowKid
Don't scapegoat Collins & Griffiths, he was sent to the negotiations by the Machiavellian Yank, De Valera! And anyway, the Treaty that Collins had signed in London, had to be RATIFIED. And that it was in Dublin, by the MAJORITY of SF members!
Whatever way you look at it, the Treaty of Partition was passed by SF & SF alone! No other party, not even the Unionists even got to vote on it!
But of course, Adams neglects to mention any of this...Typical really!
DonegalRaymie201 2 months ago 3
@DonegalRaymie201 There's no need to tell me about De Velera. Personally I think he was greatest cunt that ever walked and held this country back 30 years with his delusional and fantasist vision for Ireland.Comely maidens dancing at the crossroads and sounds of rural Industry.Yes, he was a machiavelian snake and set Collins up to take the bad news home.He hadn't the balls to make the monentous decision and I believe was full of Indecision at the time.He was never a real leader
KrackowKid 2 months ago