Nowhere in the bible did peters vision INDICATE that it was about food especially since PETER HIMSELF explained the vision and DID NOT MENTION that it was about food.
Since the meat laws were given in the first place to keep Israel separated from other nations -- it only makes sense that the meat laws were done away with at the same time God says He no longer wants that separation -- Compare Eph 2:11-14 with Lev 20:23-26. Health was never given as the reason -- SDA's just assume that.
Peters vision is about Gentiles NOT about food. Keep on reading and see for yourself.
Are you calling the Messiah a liar? Be careful what you say.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them For truly I say to you until heaven and earth pass away not an iota not a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplishedTherefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be c
Peter's vision is about BOTH. Christ always used truths that were literal in the natural -- in order to represent His higher spiritual lessons. Otherwise, it would mean Christ had to resort to a literal lie in order to bring forth a new spiritual truth. Doctrines that make Christ a liar -- even in His natural representations of spiritual truth -- still present Him as a liar. I have a problem with doctrines that make Christ out to be even slightly untrue -- as you embrace.
He did fulfill it... Rom 10:4 Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.
Meat laws were not deemed necessary to give Gentiles at the Jerusalem Council -- Acts 15. Sabbaths too were never taught to Gentile converts. BELIEF trumps the letter of the law. It's through BELIEF that we obtain the TRUE REST -- BELIEF that Christ's perfect life is applied to you & for you..."being reconciled, we shall be SAVED BY HIS LIFE" Rom 10:4
@ROBINHOODSARROW End of the FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS!! now its by Faith. That text did not contradict Christ. Why would he say i have not come to abolish the law but to END??? not biblical. ONLY those things that represented Him was fulfilled or REPLACED by HIM. Unclean foods is not a law that can be fulfilled or replaced by Christ.
You error to assume the meat laws were given for health purposes without a scripture to support that idea. Lev 20:23-26 plainly shows the purpose for the meat laws -- to keep the nation of Israel separate from the Gentile nations. These laws were built in to assure success. Fast-forward to Acts 10 & we see God no longer wants separation between men nor between the meats that symbolized them -- Israel/clean & Gentile/unclean. SDA's perpetuate this separation against the will of God.
Thus the meat laws were fulfilled by Christ -- because His death, burial & resurrection opened the way for all men to come to Him. He accepts them now without having to first be circumcised to the law. Act 15 dealt with this very matter -- what laws out of the laws of Moses to give the Gentiles who believed. Since the Holy Ghost showed acceptance of them prior to any law -- it was determined that imposing such after the fact would be tempting God. SDA's shake their fists at the HG.
@ROBINHOODSARROW In Acts chapter 15:28-29, the apostles says that the holy Ghost tells them to keep certain LAWS, where do you think those laws came from?? Old testament. Secondly in acts 15:20-21 it shows more detail which old testament laws was commanded and only those laws because they were reading Moses books and learning everyday in the cities where the gentiles were. Please look at these verse and see if your last statement was correct.
Acts 15 does not say Believing Gentiles were hearing Moses in the Synagogues every Sabbath -- it only says these laws "had been preached" in every city. Peter's point was that God saved these uncircumcised Gentiles -- without them submitting to these laws that they had heard preached in every city. None are going into synagogues to learn Moses -- after being saved. They were not welcome there!
1,000's of Gentiles saved had yet been taught any OT law to keep Act 15:24
The few laws they gleaned out of the 613 were given solely for the sake of peace -- to keep the Gentiles from "violating laws" that offended the Jewish Believers the most. Yet even out of those -- the distinction between clean/unclean ended up in the "not necessary" pile. Plus, the apostles determined any more than these few would be tempting the Holy Ghost.
So, with that in mind, it's hard to imagine the Holy Ghost saying to EGW 1800 years later these laws are now "necessary!"
LATEST SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH shows that pig's meat contains a bacteria that can't be killed by heat or by cold.. Imagine this you eating a creatures that eats your waste..
To THOSE WHO LIKE EATING PORK, SHRIMPS AND OTHER UNCLEAN FOODS, GO AHEAD WE DON'T CARE. BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER YOU WILL SEE AND FEEL THE RESULTS, AS YOU ARE CONFINED IN A HOSPITAL AND THE DOCTOR WILL TELL YOU TO STOP EATING THIS AND THAT BECAUSE THIS IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR ILLNESS. hahahahah
Nice to see you still strong in your belief though Robinhood! But yeah..., works are very much involved in faith! Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. James 2;18
@ROBINHOODSARROW ~ We're under GRACE 2B or NOT 2B is the ONLY question!! No WORKS involved..... Why do Humans Struggle with this SO much?? Hmm?? Got Jesus? Don't be CAUGHT dead without him! :)
Simple enough for a child to understand -- yet baffling to the intellect of the philosopher!
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
@ROBINHOODSARROW ~ Amen 2 that Brother! :) Wanna Prove Someone or Something "WRONG" or Stand Corrected?? ALWAYS use Gods Words! ALWAYS! 1Co~1:27.... AWESOME! Ponder This?? Ain't it Funny how People ALWAYS make Reference to I was Led in the "RIGHT" direction & NEVER the Left?? Hmm?? We R to SEEK his RIGHTeousness! See Father does know best! :) Now Go get MARRIED 2 CHRIST! Not Merry CHRISTmas?? Hmm??
2 Tim 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
The first biblical account noting distinctions between clean and unclean animals documents events that occurred long before the exodus.Almost 1,000 years before God made a covenant with the nation of Israel,and long before that nation even existed.He told Noah to take into the ark unclean animals by twos and the clean ones by sevens(Genesis 6:19;7:2).God did not have to define for Noah the meaning of clean and unclean.To comprehend what God meant by these terms,go to Leviticus 11 and Deu:14
An opportunity to apply proper biblical interpretation can be found in Genesis 9:3:Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.I have given you all things,even the green herbs.Later scriptures show that mankind should not eat every animal,just as we should not eat every plant,some species of animals and plants are highly poisonous and can be fatal if ingested.God expects us to learn to properly understand and his word(2 Timothy 2:15)
Well, I guess God didn't love us enough to give us a list of UNCLEAN PLANTS -- Where is the list of UNCLEAN PLANTS?! Come on, get real!
God later forbid the unclean meats -- TO ISRAEL -- to keep Israel as a nation separate from the Gentiles. It was never intended as law for all men. The meat laws worked for the temporary purpose it had been given. Now that there is to be no more separation of men -- there is likewise no separation of the meats that they represented -- Acts 10.
There's not one scripture that exists -- OT & NT -- that says the meat laws were given for health purposes. That concept isn't found anywhere. The scriptures instead support them given by God to represent His need to separate the Jew from Gentile for a temporal period of time. When we get the Acts 10, it becomes abundantly clear that the undoing of the one -- undoes the other. Accepting the unclean meats with the Gentile goes together. Only literal truth -- can support spiritual.
Noah had no foreknowledge of clean or unclean as in meats to eat -- since he not yet eaten meat. Distinction was made since the Garden regarding the animals appropriate -- for sacrifices.
The separation was symbolic of all mankind -- the pure symbolizing the undefiled genetics of men descended from Seth -- the unclean representing the corrupt seed line due to Cain who comprised all the Gentile nations. God now makes no such distinction -- not of meats or men -- Rm 10:12; Act 10 &15
@ROBINHOODSARROW YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PORK, EAT IT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, BUT DO NOT DECIVE OTHERS, YOU WILL GET YOUR RESULTS FROM EATING IT.....LOL....LOL.....LOL
YOU JUST LOVE THAT DEAD SWINE FLASH....YAKKK THAT IS DISCUSTING....CAN YOU FEEL THESE WORMS ON YOUR TONG CROLING WHILE YOU CHEW ON IT? LOL.....LOL.....LOL......
Also, UNLIKE NOAH, the unclean animals spared in the Flood HAD BEEN genetically defiled by the Annunaki false gods -- hence the reason they were considered unclean. Somehow, Ham and his descendents likewise had their DNA corrupted by these fallen angels -- thus the reason Noah recognized Ham to have a cursed lineage. Ham was likely a step-son and not Noah seed. Ham's descendents comprised the Gentiles -- of which unclean animals represented. It had nothing to do with healthy eating.
Pagan Christianity has always made up their own rules about what they want to believe, even though the Hebrew scritptures say something completely different.
They always misinterpret our writings to mean what they want it to mean, even when their told the accurate understanding of the events they use to justify their false beliefs, they still blow it off to mean what they want.
There is no argument, Pagan Christianity can eat a camel's ass if they want, it has no bearing on our people.
Camel -- I haven't tried that one yet! But, seriously, do you really want to be like those who walked around in Paul's day demanding the laws of Moses be practiced by all the Gentiles when added to the Church? A Council in Jerusalem was set up to supposedly put this matter to rest once and for all. Unfortunately, the Pharisee spirit is still alive and well in the Church today like well risen yeast! -- Matt 16:6. It is deemed Pagan to those like YOU who reject the New Covenant,
@ROBINHOODSARROW- You Pagans have no idea what you're talking about. How can the laws be done away with when Hamashyac himself said in Matt.5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to destroy, but to fulfil."
What you Pagans don't understand is that the Pharisees were demanding a return to the laws of ANIMAL SACRIFICES, since the apostles were teaching that Hamashyac had done away with THOSE LAWS, not all laws. I don't reject Hamashyac, just you pagans
The keyword in that verse is "till all be fulfilled." The separation of clean & unclean were done away with when the need to separate Jew from Gentile was fulfilled. It's done away with every bit as much as animal sacrifices.
No, the Jews were not demanding Gentiles who lived 200+ miles away from Jerusalem to travel there and partake in animal sacrifices. The friction was their clashing cultures -- the Jews insisting their eating and resting laws be enforced upon the Gentiles.
@ROBINHOODSARROW- Sorry, but you have just made an attempt of trying to undermine Christ's own words so you can feel justified in your tragically erroneous interpretation on scripture.
That Preposterous ASS-UMPTION is so beyond reason it's bordering on the line between sanity and lunacy.
You've fabricated an invisible line between Mat. 5:17 and and Pork, WOW, that's truly insane and makes absolutely no sense at all except among Pagan Christians.
No the fulfillment is all explained in Acts 10. The unclean animals that represented the Gentiles are now declared cleansed. The shadow is inseparable from the substance. The one cannot be undone without the other. If the Gentiles are now declared cleansed -- then so are the meats that represented them.
If you don't want to believe that -- then you have to believe Christ can "tell a lie" . . . as long as it is via vision.
@ROBINHOODSARROW- That's kind of devious of you to try using a strawman to link your verbal proclamations and attrubute them as if Hamashyac said what you're ASSUMING.
You are NOT HAMASHYAC, so refrain from that sort of rediculous nonsense please. Just stick to the conversation without trying to attribut yourself Hamashyac's piety that you are nowhere near fitting into his shoes.
You can't argue what I said -- so you resort to generalities?! You're laming out. Tell me why do you believe in a Jesus Who can lie to you as long as it is in the context of a vision. Isn't that still lying?!
The existence of types & shadows are in the OT -- and fulfilled in the NT. I clearly showed evidence that the separation of meats represented the need for Israel to maintain separation from the Gentile nations. The meat laws assured that. Your health purpose does not exist.
@ROBINHOODSARROW- Give me a break, you're trying to suggest that I'm accusing Hamashyac of lying..........sorry that's just a completely rediculous attempt and undermining my argument, and any astute person that looks upon this converstion will pick up on your LAME rhetoric.
What you clearly showed is your apparent way of undermining scripture so you can feel justified in your Pagan beliefs..........which, as If stated before, is absolutely fine with me, I'll gladly sell you a DOG SANDWICH.
Peter's vision -- You obviously choose to only accept the spiritual fulfillment and ignore any literal truth to it. That proves YOU THINK JESUS LIED when He told Peter to KILL & EAT unclean animals -- and then LIED when He declared them cleansed.
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THE LITERAL PART IS FALSE -- which means you believe Jesus uses LITERAL LIES to represent truth. Now, since when did Jesus ever have to resort to lies to support His teachings? Not even in parable did He ever do that!
What I believe is that you've boxed yourself into a construct of understanding that is causing you to detract from reason, thus causing you to believe that if I don't see it the way YOU'RE laying it out, then I must be calling Hamashyac a liar. That's the same impracticle reasoning that the pharisees used in order to subjugate my people into false perspectives. Sorry we don't submit to that sort of "ALL OR NOTHING" bombastic approaches anymore. The point is clear
So, in the case of Peter's vision, you have no problem with a Jesus who resorts to using a literal lie -- to represent a spiritual truth? Just when does He ever do that in even in His parables? And just how can something that is literally a lie -- ever rationally support anything in the spiritual? They have to both be equally true or it falls apart.
Plus, Peter clearly had to accept the literal removal of the meat laws [as written in law] before he could even travel with Gentiles.
No........really I'm done speaking to you Mr. Know it all Pagan Christian, You know everything there is to know about My forefathers writings so there is no need for you to ask me any questions of which you already know the self presumed answers to.
All I can say is........enjoy your depravity, since it has no bearing on my people anyway since your not an Israelite.
No need for a response since You know everything, so there's no need. You're right, you're right (LOL).
You Pagans are the most amusing persons to be sure, however, you cattle want to believe in whatever you want to believe, even if an actual descendant of the people that wrote those writings explains it to you, you're still going to believe your pagan nonsense.
I leave you now to your garbage-can sandwiches (pork), and your Dog soups. LOL, you pagans are the simplest creatures, LOL.
How pathetic. You can't refute me with scripture -- so your resort to name calling and derision. Funny how everyone I've encountered like yourself ultimately ends up scooting out in that same matter. How very sad.
@ROBINHOODSARROW-Here we go with a pagan trying to tell me about our historical writings, laughable.
You are so wrong beyond words. You actually believe that All Israelites just stayed in Jerusalem? You actaully believe we didn't travel?
We lived in many places, not just in Jerusalem, and the Most High made preparations way in advance by the declaration in the law in Deut. 16:16 where we would have to appear before him with sacrifices in hand.
I never said all Israelites stayed in Jerusalem. We are both clearly talking about Pharisees in distant cities. Point is -- they're too far from Jerusalem for weekly or monthly animal sacrifices to be the issue. These Pharisees themselves at most just traveled there for the three main feasts. And then they could have just traveled without the uncircumcised Gentiles.There's no rational thought in trying to apply friction to that. The discord between Jew & Gentile was a daily clash.
@ROBINHOODSARROW- see that's where you're wrong, the only time an Israelite was forced to come to Jerusalem was when he committed a "SIN", therefore having to come to Jerusalem to where the sacrifices for sins were performed in order to atone for whatever law was broken (1 John 3:4).
That is part of the problem you have with understanding the events. The Pharisees had made a BUISNESS out of breaking the laws= "SIN" (Lk. 19:45, 46). Hamashyac's sacrifice was forcing an end to those sacrifices
You're failing to distinguish between believing Pharisees and the ones who still ran the Temple.
Shouldn't Paul have written a strong rebuke to the Jews if that was the issue? Whatever the issue was -- Paul clearly afforded Believing Jews the option to continue in it. Your version has Paul allowing the Believing Jews to continue animal sacrifices for their sins! For Paul to say they're all right to continue sacrifices -- would be for him to say they can reject Christ's atonement!
1. Israelites who were among the Nations /Gentiles / Heathens / Goy were being converted back to their commonwealth of their natural herritage (Rom. 9:4, 5, & Eph. 2:11-13 & Amos 9:9). These are the Gentiles that are being referred to in the N.T. (Ezek. 4:13 & Hos. 8:8 & Mic. 5:8)
2. Those Congregations of converted Israelites abroad were being undermined by Pharisee spies
No, the Pharisee spies were the BELIEVING PHARISEES. They persisted in trying to enforce meat & Sabbath law upon the Gentile Believers -- despite the Council at Jerusalem in Acts 15. All the scriptures affording the Jews the right to continue these laws -- but equally forbidding them to not enforce them -- are dealing with this DAILY FRICTION of a culture clash between the two types of Believers -- Col 2:16; Gal 2:4; 4:10.
Those like you keep this friction alive to this very day!
4. And finally, MY VERSION are what has been explained, if you choose to pervert my words into some spin doctor retardation, then there is nothing more to say.
You're wrong, the disruption was brought about by Hamashyac causing the prophecy in Daniel 9:24 in putting an end to SACRIFICES. That's why the Pharisees were killing so many disciples, because they were causing Israelites to turn away from animal sin sacrifices, thus eliminating their income in selling the animals in the Temple (Luke 19:45, 46).
This is where the prophecy of Malachi 3:8-9 comes in where the priests were robbing the Most High by their corruption.
Again, that alleged view can only -- at best -- be applied toward the Jewish Christians IN JERUSALEM. We're talking about friction that was constantly present. And it was happening happening in every city -- some of them hundreds of miles from Jerusalem and the Temple. The idea that Gentiles in cities far away could agitate the Pharisees by not traveling with them to Jerusalem just doesn't fit the daily friction between these two cultures -- believing Jews vs believing Gentiles.
Again................your misinterpreting what I'm saying.
I'm NOT saying Christians are returning to do animals sacrifices..............YOU'RE SAYING THAT.
I'm addressing the whole point why there was an upheaval among the leaders, Pharisees, Saducees, Sanhedrin who would cause those Israelites who were teaching among Judea that sin Sacrifices were no longer a requirement could now accept Hamashyac as their permanent atonement. Thus elliminating the Leaders bankroll.
Nonsense! The UNBELIEVING JEW hated Christians simply for believing Jesus Christ as Messiah -- and not believing His body was stolen.The majority of Jews REJECTED CHRIST -- IN ALL CITIES. The only Church that had a predominate number of Jews was in Jerusalem. And, when you look at the other cities where Paul gained converts -- MOST OF THEM WERE GENTILE! Do the math from there -- VERY FEW Christians in the Early Church were Jews.
Most being Gentile proves VERY LITTLE IMPACT on Temple sacrifices.
And yes, your view does require the apostles allowing BELIEVING PHARISEES to continue animal sacrifices [Acts 15]. If those were the only laws the Pharisees demanded with circumcision -- above an ASS-umed universal practice of meats & Sabbaths -- then you must look at both what the apostles deemed necessary for the Gentiles as well as what Believing Pharisees were allowed. If the driving issue was sacrifices -- then the apostles afforded the Pharisees the option to continue them.
And yes, your view does require the apostles allowing BELIEVING PHARISEES to continue animal sacrifices [Acts 15]. If those were the only laws the Pharisees demanded with circumcision -- above an ASS-umed universal practice of meats & Sabbaths -- then you must look at both what the apostles deemed necessary for the Gentiles as well as what Believing Pharisees were allowed. If the driving issue was sacrifices -- then the apostles afforded the Pharisees the option to continue them.
Of course you're right, You're a Pagan Cretin who's pomp far surpasses the wisdom of the elected people of YHWH.
Please continue with your high minded assumptions on my peoples writings, I'm sorry I even spoke to one of your types. I get it, I get it, you're a Pagan Christian that Knows everything about my forefathers writings better than we do, I get it. LOL.
@ROBINHOODSARROW- This is what cracks me up about you Pagans, you are so presumptuous in thinking that you have a better understanding on our historical records than we do, this is exactly why you people will never trully understand our writings, it's so beyond your grasp that all you people can do is assume and then condescendingly presume to teach my people about things that we wrote.
like I said before, You pagans can eat dead dog for all I care, YHWH said we can sell it to you Deut. 14:21.
You're just peeved that I exposed how insane it is to think Pharisees were insisting Gentiles travel hundreds of miles to Jerusalem to participate in animal sacrifices. You can't justify such irrational thinking. Only a culture clash -- differences in food and holy days -- can explain the friction in so many cities so far away from any practical ability to offer animal sacrifices in the Jerusalem Temple.
YOU are the one forcing presumptuous thoughts into the verses on this matter.
@ROBINHOODSARROW- Sorry but you assume too much in thinking that I'm "peeved", did you not notice the words in my response "This is what cracks me up", thus showing a clear sense of humor towards your percieved views on events.
The Pharisees were primarily concentrated in Jerusalem and they did not want the cessation of their buisness. What you're failing to grasp is the fact that the 3 times a yr. Israelites would have to go to Jerusalem they would then atone for their sin through sacrifices
Yes, the only place Believing Pharisees are seen is in Acts 15 in Jerusalem. But, the BELIEVING JEWS were causing the same agitation in every city far away from Jerusalem. What about them?! They were the primary cause that inspired Paul to write. THE BELIEVING JEWS -- found in every city -- were of the same attitude. Paul allows the Jews to continue -- for the sake of conscience -- but does not allow them to enforce such upon the Gentiles.
We are in agreement in many respects to what you pointed out in THIS COMMENT. However, I was trying to help you view the broader picture of events that were taking place, in order for you to see the gravity of it all. Not just by your Christianized perspective.
Anyway, I think I've spent more than enough back and forth trying to explain my peoples writings to a CHRISTIAN to last me a lifetime.
This was the Pharisees primary source of income, so when Hamashyac did away with the animal sacrifices, they were at an uproar against the apostles because they were destroying their livelihood. This was why there were Pharisee men creeping in among the congregations afar to disrupt their undestanding by telling them that they had to abide by the law of Moses (Acts 15:1). Which meant a return to animal sacrifices and thus annuling the sacrifice of Hamashyac. Understand?
Try watching the video before commenting. In it, I clearly show that both are true. Both have to be true because Jesus never used falsehood to represent spiritual truths -- He only used truth for truth. Consider all His parables -- all likewise are only His literal truths to support spiritual truths.
Jews were commanded to stay separate from the Gentile nations & the meat laws ensured that. Now that the gospel is provided to all -- there's no more need for the meat laws.
@ROBINHOODSARROW All the animals forbidden in the Torah still have the same diet as they did back then. Genesis 1:29 says Adam and Eve were vegan. Isaiah 11 indicates we will return to a vegan/vegetarian diet when Messiah returns. Pigs, shellfish, eagles, etc. are the garbage disposals of the animal world. YHVH NEVER intended them for human consumption.
We're not in the Millennium. Plus, there's absolutely no evidence in scripture allowing you to conclude the meat laws were given for health purposes. On the other hand, there's a plethora of evidence showing the meat laws were given to the Hebrews in order to ensure their separation from the Gentiles. The separation of clean and unclean meats was representative of that -- and that alone. Acts 10 & 15 -- and many other such verses -- prove this separation no longer necessary.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Then why was Noah told to bring 7 of every clean animal and 2 of every unclean animal? Unclean creatures still eat shit compared to cows, deer, salmon, etc. Pork has a lot of diseases, too.
Noah had no foreknowledge of clean/unclean as in meats to eat -- since he not eaten meat. Distinction was made since the Garden regarding the animals appropriate -- for sacrifices.
The separation was symbolic of all mankind -- the pure symbolizing the undefiled genetics of men descended from Seth -- the unclean representing the corrupt seed line due to Cain who comprised all the Gentile nations. God now makes no such distinction -- not of meats or men -- Rm 10:12; Act 10&15
Show me just one verse that reveals the meat laws given for health purposes. And then -- show them imposed upon the Gentile converts under the New Covenant. When I look for these things in God's Word -- all I hear are crickets. And when I do find verses on the matter -- they all support leaving the Gentiles who believe out of having to observe these laws. There are many verses that speak that loudly and plainly in the New Testament. Those who twist those verses do so to their own destruction.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Exodus 12:49 says Torah is for Jews and Gentiles. Matthew 5:17, Yeshua says Torah is in effect until heaven and Earth pass away and Romans 11, Sha'ul says Gentiles are grafted into the tree of Yisrael. I'm a Gentile and feel better since I started following YHVH eternal instructions a few years ago.
The Nt states the Gentiles would have to first be circumcised in order to participate -- meaning, they first had to become proselyte Jews in order to observe the laws of Moses.
Circumcision was the prerequisite imposed as necessary for a Gentile to observe Mosaic law, The fact the the New Covenant defends against Gentiles having to be circumcised likewise proves they were not being commanded to observe the laws of Moses.The determination in Acts15 was enough to the Holy Ghost.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Right, I agree with Gentiles not having to be circumcised. The barrier between Jews and Gentiles was done away with. Galatians 3:28 deals with this.I personally feel as being grafted into the tree of Yisrael, it is good to follow Torah. Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem, Sha'ul and the Talmidim construct a way for Gentiles to become followers of the way. It's kinda like the Noahide laws in Rabbinic JUdaism. A bare minimum that leads to Torah.
No, the Council at Jerusalem did not create an entry point for the Gentiles to start a "minimum that leads to Torah" -- not in any way, shape or form! The Jewish brethren were allowed to continue the Torah -- but they were not allowed to enforce Torah on Gentiles. That was the outcome that pleased the Holy Ghost. If Torah was the goal -- they'd have circumcised all the believing Gentiles.
You are fighting directly against the Holy Ghost on this matter -- Acts15:10,19, & 28!
Act 10:15 is not really about unclean and clean meat, its about how the Jewish (in this case Peter) viewed the gentiles as common and unclean and so doing restrict them from coming to christ. The get up and kill dream was just used as a illustration
@robinwood I looked up all the verses you listed.every single one in context is spoken about the eating of meat sacrificed to idols.it has nothing to do with pork.to the 1st century church pork was not food. also isaiah was not written to only jews.jews are from the tribe of judah= 1 tribe.there r 12 tribes in the commonwealth of israel.so its written to you..romans 11/Galations 3 says if you r in christ you are now a citizen in the commonwealth of israel.
@wesleyjraines How easy for you to just say "nothing is in context" in one broad sweep. Truth is, most of the early Church was comprised of Gentile converts. The only exception was the Church at Jerusalem. With the numbers being predominantly Gentile -- it would have been grossly negligent for Paul to speak such words of freedom. Although idols in 1Cor 10:25,28 does give rise to the issue -- the free words to "eat whatsoever" & "the earth is the Lord's & THE FULNESS THEREOF" cannot be disputed.
The new Gentile converts were not commanded -- upon conversion -- to obey the laws given to Israel. Had that been deemed necessary -- then so would circumcision. The Council at Jerusalem was to settle the matter FOREVER about what laws were necessary out of the Books of Moses to give to the Gentiles. Their list DID NOT include they abstain from unclean meats. Nowhere do you find Gentiles being instructed to do so. It is insane to think all that happened without any command or show of discipline.
Isaiah 65 2-6 roughly I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good According to their own thoughts people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face Who eat swines flesh And the broth of abominable things is in their vessels Who say Keep to yourself Do not come near me For I am holier than you These are smoke in My nostrils A fire that burns all the day
@wesleyjraines Isaiah 65 2-6 was spoken against apostate Jews -- not of Gentiles. Nowhere does God ever command Gentiles to abstain from unclean meats -- not before Christ or after.
Show 1 verse in the NT where a Gentile convert to Christ is instructed to kill/sell off his unclean livestock and cease eating unclean meats like a Jew -- an impossible feat w/o constant encouragement and discipline. Yet, the apostles speak words that say the opposite -- Col 2:16;Rom 14:2-4;Acts 10:15;1Tim 4:1-5.
Show me one verse in the New Testament where it says I can't have sex with a sheep. Yeah, I know that's gross, but that's what the "show me one verse in the New Testament" method of hermeneutics gets you.
Let's take it further. Show me one verse in the even numbered verses of Jude that says the moon isn't made of cheese.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the 2nd time, WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED THAT CALL NOT THOU COMMON. This was done thrice and the vessel was received up again into heaven -- Act10:14-16.
Only literal truth can validly reflect spiritual truth. If Gentiles are now clean -- then so the meats that represented them for separation. Otherwise you make Christ a liar
@ROBINHOODSARROW Peters vision was refering to gentiles, so that Peter would not consider gentiles unclean. (Read the whole chapter) Peter did not start to eat all this wild beasts and creeping things.
Those people who continue to eat swine's flesh, they are suffer the consequences! God knows what is good for us and whats bad. these animals are scavengers.
Jesus only used literal truths to represent His spiritual teachings -- He never used falsehood as a representation. You suggest that Jesus LIED TO PETER about meats now being now cleansed in order to get Peter to believe Gentiles now accepted. A doctrine that makes Jesus a liar in ought to set off alarms & whistles.
The unclean meats represented the Gentiles under the OT -- given to keep Israel separate. The undoing of the one undoes the other. Health was never given as a reason.
@ROBINHOODSARROW I did not suggest that Jesus LIED TO PETER, ***YOU JUST SAID THAT***
And the doctrine you preaching are sending false alarms. come on, read your Bible, and do not twist Scriptures to satisfy your swine cravings. Results are speaking for themselves, all diseases that people get from those unclean things. TRY TO PRAY OVER SWINES MEAT, AND PUT UNDER MICROSCOPE, SEE IF WORMS IN THE MEAD WILL DIE :) JUST THINK ABOUT THAT EVERYTIME YOU EAT PORK!!! BONE APPETIT!!! ;)
@ROBINHOODSARROW We are sanctified tru Christ by faith, we have to accept Jesus by faith to be cleansed and sanctified, ( do you really think that swine can be sanctified same way?) COME ON!
Jesus is the way truth and life, he did not came to save swine, but to save sinners that eat swine and do other sinful things. Do not twist Holy Scriptures to satisfy your sinful cravings
@MrAndrVa I don't discount justification by faith. Point is -- Jesus never used a literal lie to enforce that spiritual truth. If you think swine is still unclean based on health -- then produce the verse that declares the meat laws were given for health purposes.
You completely evaded the point I made earlier. The Jews were commanded to stay separate from the Gentile nations -- and the meat laws ensured that. Now that the gospel is provided to all -- there's no more need for the meat laws.
No, Christ didn't come to save clean animals either. But, since the unclean animals represented the Gentiles, then acceptance of the Gentiles removed the meat laws they represented. Anything else makes Jesus a liar.
You falsely ASS-ume the meat laws were given for health purposes. I challenge you to produce just one verse that declares health the purpose for the separation of meats. On the other hand there's a plethora of verses that identify Gentiles representing unclean animals.
Who is Paul. Paul started the Rome catholic church. Enough said. Jesus came 2 fulfill the old testament. Not 2 do away wit it. Jesus is da law of the old testament.
@TheDreadhead85 Oh, you're one of those guys that gets so frustrated with Paul's teachings that you just rip him out of your Bible. So, take your Bible & rip out Acts through Philemon. If you don't like what the "Apostle to the Gentiles" had to say -- just expunge him. That's real honorable!
Jesus Himself said that NOTHING that enters the mouth can make you unclean -- Mt 15:11; Mk 7:19. It was indeed the issue of washing hands driving the debate. But, His all-inclusive truth was stated as fact.
@soneoak everything was made a reason. Not 2 eat. Go see can u eat a rock. Go eat a human then lol. God made us. We are meat. So is we ok 2 eat. It's funny how u know da old testament gives u gods law. N u try 2 finds ways outta gods law in da new testament.
@robinhoodsarrow what bible do u read. nowhere in Tim 4 it says anything bout eating meat. Never once said it was ok 2 eat pork or unclean animals. No chapter 1-6. U reading it outta contents. Would u eat a human. God made us. So u can't refuse anything god made. If that what Tim 4 was talking bout. He was telling us everything clean for it's own reason. Not eat everything.
Genesis 9:3 -- God allowed mankind to eat of "every moving thing that liveth" -- hence, no Gentile nation shows any form of this alleged "meat law" in their history as you claim existed since the Flood.
Mosaic Law -- God gives Israel meat laws to keep them separate from other nations. It worked.
Acts 10 -- Separation between Jew & Gentile no longer required. The laws that God put in place to ensure that are likewise done away in Christ.
@TheDreadhead85 1Tim 4 begins with meat when Paul warns against apostates who will COMMAND YOU TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS. He then continues the same thought defining those meats specifically as -- EVERY CREATURE OF GOD -- calling all of them good. For what? Paul did not switch subjects and start talking about admiration at a zoo!
They are sanctified [set apart] as good by the "Word of God" revealed to Peter in Acts 10. You can pray over any animal as food with God's assurance it will be accepted.
An atheistic view on this would be: "If God didn't want you eating pork/unclean things, why did he create them?"
Are the things that God create unclean? Or is it that he specify only that which is acceptable when practicing worship under the old law that he deemed worthless in the new testament if it did not bring one to God?
There were laws relating to religious practices, and Laws that governed God's commandments. 2 Very different things, don't quote out of context.
Gem 9.3 meat is flesh. In Rev it says the meat shall inherent the earth. They was under use. We control them. Animals bow down to us. We didn't have 2 hunt. We told a cow 2 cum n it came. Told a bird 2 get outta of sky n it did. N herb mean it wasn't any herb that could kill or hurt us.
Ti 4.4 he was saying every animal is clean for it own reason. Don't mean eat every animal. Da part about thanksgiving he was talking bout just plain ole given thanks for every animal on earth. Also a sin 2 kill any animal u ain't gonna eat.
@TheDreadhead85 That concept requires there to be religions existing that hated a certain species -- and set on their extinction. So, the context in Tim 4 is clearly about meat. It points back to our permission after the Flood to eat of EVERY MOVING THING -- Gen 9:3
The meat laws only represented God's need to keep Israel separate from other nations. Peter understood this -- Acts 10. With it no longer required spiritually -- so also not physically. Jesus used literal truth to shadow spiritual.
Noooo don't eat pork. He did tell us what plants to eat. Remember b4 Adam n eve took to fruit. Every animal n men ate plants. Yeah even lions. After adam n eve most high said we can eat meat but not the pork for it was unclean. Most was mad at us but he did not hate us. That y he told us about pork. Don't even touch it.
Do not eat uncelan animals God is going to execute judgement with those who eat pig's flesh and abominable things just like its prophecied IN iSAIAH 65 :1-5 and 66:17... Don't let human interpreations make you dispute with the very words spoken by the Mouth of God
Isaiah 65- 66 destroys that heresy of You may eat anything you want , Elohim already knew that in the ened times they would say go and eat anything You want but in his great wisdom he left them with a stumbling block from the words of the propehts, how do you answer to isaiah 65 -6 5 its a poeple who wasnt called by God's anme.... Israel is called by God's name therefore tis another nation who doesnt know him, its the gentiles!
According to the NEW COVENANT -- the "Stumbling Block" is the very law that you preach. It is the law that continues to blind Israel Rom 9:31-32; 11:9-11, 25...
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the OT; which vail is done away in Christ.
If God wanted Gentiles observing meat laws -- then the Holy Ghost really blew it in Acts 15. Just show me one Gentile instructed to change his diet upon conversion.
@ROBINHOODSARROW According to Mashiach the stumbling block is him not the law, please would you show me the verse where it says taht the law is the stumbling block ... oh wait Mashiach is the word of God therefore the Law also. hmmm hahah well lets move on to the next point acts 15 Oh it says these three things taht the gentiles must not do... oh Wait what does the next verse after it says, For Moses is preached every shabbath in their cities... They would learn later , not in a single time!
@MARIOAnDrEs0 And Jesus has been a Stumbling block for what reason? -- because people prefer the law above His imputed righteousness.
The reason for stumbling is the same! Rom 9:32... They [Israel] sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.
It was the same reason the Pharisees rejected Christ as their Messiah -- their perception of the law prevented them from accepting Him. The law precludes you from seeing Christ -- 2Cor 3:15.
Paul was merely stating that the laws had already been preached everywhere. That means the Gentiles already knew what the laws were. Which proves it was not a situation where they had to "learn" them later. The mere fact they were troubled by the demands proves they knew what changes it would require of them.
And last, Paul could not have been instructing these uncircumcised Gentiles to attend synagogue services to learn the laws of Moses -- Jews forbid Gentiles to attend without circumcision.
hahhah ok if everything is clean and nothing is to be rejected go eat snake poison because according to this, everything taht fits into your mouth is food LOL
@MARIOAnDrEs0 You bring up a good point. If the meat laws were intended to protect our health -- then God would have likewise had to list ALL the bad things for our bodies. Where is the warning against poisonous mushrooms, coca & tobacco leaves, the Indian Pea, rhubarb leaves, desert rose, night shade, Daphne, Darnel, etc? Either God didn't care about our health enough to give us a full list -- or the list He gave Israel was for a different purpose than health. I suggest you choose the latter.
This is Why God gave us those commandments: 25 “‘You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground—those that I have set apart as unclean for you. 26 You are to be holy to me because I, Yahweh, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Yes, exactly. The very last line TELLS YOU WHY -- to separate natural Israel from the other nations. The "not defiling" part was clearly symbolic -- representing God's command for them to not "mix" themselves with the other nations. The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that this separation -- as well as the symbolic laws that represented it -- is now "done away" -- Acts 10; Rom. 10:12; Gal. 3:28; Col 3:11.
There is nothing in the OT that says these laws were for health.
@ROBINHOODSARROW You are wrong my friend, if thats the case, then why Did prophet NOah already knOW about clean and unclean animals??? tell me i would like to know? Oh i will just tell you the answer.... It's because they are santificed by the word of God from the very begining they are set apart creatures for us to eat , the other uncelan animals are not set apart therefore not good for us....I
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Noah knew the clean from unclean -- for offerings. The fact he already knew how to distinguish them -- BEFORE EVER EATING MEAT -- proves it had nothing to do with health.
The WORD OF GOD that sanctified ALL CREATURES for food -- instead of a select few -- is found in Acts 10:15;15:19-20; Mt 15:17-20; Mk 7:18-23; 2Ti 4:3-5. Enforcing meat laws on Gentile converts frustrates the grace of Christ & the work of the Holy Ghost. Jew could continue them -- but were not to enforce them.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Acts 10: is not about God santifying all foods my frineds, Its about sanctifying the gentiles because the jew couldnt go to a gentiles house according to the tradition of Israel, therefore You have to read Acts 10 and 11 to understand the context..... Mt 15:17 has to be read with its context to understand it, otherwise it can mean anything You want, he was talking about the washing of hands and not food...
@MARIOAnDrEs0 The unclean meats represented the Gentiles under the law -- and Israel's need to keep themselves separate from them under the law. You cannot undo the one without removing the other.
If Christ did not also mean it LITERALLY -- then He lied. Even in vision -- Christ speaks only truth for truth. Not one of His parables is ever found to be untrue literally. Jesus only used literal truth to represent spiritual truth. Anything short of them both being true -- makes Christ a liar.
@ROBINHOODSARROW You havent answered to the verses taht igave you yet, I answered you taht Messiah is literally making clean the gentiles ieven the Ruach ha Kodesh comes upon Peter ad tells him not to discriminate the 3 gentiles..... remmebr the vision??? the voise said kill and eat and it was repeated three times.... there were three gentiles, then later on Peter goes on and tell us taht God showed him not to call the gentiles unclean, for God cleaned them adn they can be together as one people
@ROBINHOODSARROW I think it's time to throw my last shot , and disprove your false interpretaion without doubt :16 For by fire and by His sword Yahweh will judge all flesh And the slain of Yahweh shall be many. 17 “ Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says Yahweh. Stop disputing the very words spoken by the mouth of God ...You teach a LIE
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Isaiah 66 is about natural Israel -- Christ rescuing them when He returns to rule during the Millennium. The Church returns -- with Christ -- in the chariots of Isaiah 66:15; Jude 1:14. Verse 17 -- which you quote -- specifically opposes the PURIFICATION OF ONESELF with the ritual sacrifices of these animals. It would be abominable to do so with ANY ANIMAL when you have the living Christ on earth to go to for purification. It's more about the pagan ritual -- not unclean meat.
@ROBINHOODSARROW whan an unfair God taht he gives to some people some rules and to other peoplpe otehr srules, really, we have to say taht is unequal??? ok my very alst shot is isaiah 65 i wont asnwqer you anymore , there is not bigger blind thaan he who doenst want to see
Isa 65: 9 proves this was to Israel -- before Christ's first coming.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob [CHRIST] and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
You seem to think I need to deny God had ever given Israel meat laws -- which I don't. What we disagree on is -- WHO God gave those laws to -- AND WHY He gave Israel those laws.
Show me just one verse that says God gave them for health purposes.
@ROBINHOODSARROW No that only proves taht God is promising to bring everlasting righeousness, this in no way ahs to do with that nation that has gone after their own thoughts, You seem no to understand taht the law was gvien to Noah and before Israel ever existed, now your point is qheter these laws are for our health, well God knows whats best for us since He gave us common sense , and wisdom we can now know with our science that all those uncealn aniamls are provided with diseases ...
Again, Noah knew clean & unclean -- for sacrifices. Knowing this before he ever ate meat proves it. The distinction was always symbolic to ensure God's people remained isolated from unclean men -- no longer required.
The fact that there are 100's of poisonous plants that God "failed" to warn us about proves He did not issue the meat laws for health purposes. If so, the incomplete list suggests He doesn't love us much.
Hmm... What does the NT say about the common sense of men?
@ROBINHOODSARROW 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5 18- 19
@MARIOAnDrEs0 "Till all be fulfilled" I don't preach a destruction of the law -- but its fulfillment. To have the fulfillment is greater than the shadows.
@ROBINHOODSARROW You seem to belive in the pre trib rapture, Again Mashiach and Paul dsirpove this in Matthew 24 ,and 2 thesalonians 2, He is coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION ! therefore you are also gonna be here seing how Messiah comes in the clouds, he is not coming anytime, its not gonna be unaware , every eye will see him, there is no pre trib rapture for the church
@MARIOAnDrEs0 The second Coming is for Israel -- the taking away of the Bride is for the Church. I'm an Enoch -- you're a Noah. We all choose our lot in life.
@ROBINHOODSARROW One more thing, You seem to try to get awaay with those laws, but in the Bieble says One law shall be to him who is born at home, and to the stranger who lives as a foreigner among you."
Exodus 12:49 , i have given you plenty of scrpitures taht disprove your teaching, Yet You have given me none to believe in your itnerpretation.
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Again, the scripture you quote refers to the law given to the Nation of Israel. Why can't you find any support for your view after the Church was birthed on Pentecost?
The NT is full of verses declaring Gentile freedom from such laws -- I've shown many of them. The problem is that you take all those verses -- and add exceptions to them -- in order to keep the very laws they declare us free from now. The believing Jews were allowed to continue -- but not allowed to enforce them.
17 “ Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.
@sammyg822 If you read earlier in the chapter, it says this is going to be a time when NO MEAT of any kind is allowed . . .Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man,
This is obviously a prophecy about the Millennium.
Millenium or not, God is not pleased with those that eat unclean meats. Besides, it's ridiculously unhealthy for your body! Look it up! Your body is the temple that the Holy Spirit wants to reside in. How can it when you are polluting it with unclean food? God have mercy...
@sammyg822 Give me chapter and verse that says the Mosaic meat laws were given for "health purposes" -- you can't. Yet, I can show you very clearly in many places where unclean meats was used to represent the Gentiles. Once God showed acceptance of the Gentiles -- He allowed the meats that represented them. Peter companied with "unclean Gentiles" before any had been converted. And even after that he did not circumcise them -- which would certainly have been his 1st move b4 teaching meat laws.
Nowhere in the bible did peters vision INDICATE that it was about food especially since PETER HIMSELF explained the vision and DID NOT MENTION that it was about food.
Jahdiel6382 3 weeks ago
@Jahdiel6382
Since the meat laws were given in the first place to keep Israel separated from other nations -- it only makes sense that the meat laws were done away with at the same time God says He no longer wants that separation -- Compare Eph 2:11-14 with Lev 20:23-26. Health was never given as the reason -- SDA's just assume that.
ROBINHOODSARROW 2 weeks ago
Peters vision is about Gentiles NOT about food. Keep on reading and see for yourself.
Are you calling the Messiah a liar? Be careful what you say.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them For truly I say to you until heaven and earth pass away not an iota not a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplishedTherefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be c
kieara228 3 weeks ago
@kieara228
Peter's vision is about BOTH. Christ always used truths that were literal in the natural -- in order to represent His higher spiritual lessons. Otherwise, it would mean Christ had to resort to a literal lie in order to bring forth a new spiritual truth. Doctrines that make Christ a liar -- even in His natural representations of spiritual truth -- still present Him as a liar. I have a problem with doctrines that make Christ out to be even slightly untrue -- as you embrace.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 weeks ago
Amen.. I agree. Galatians 3:24-26 and Ephesians 2:15. In Acts 10:15.. Peter's vision says it all. This is being legalistic.
kayloveofchrist785 1 month ago
Are we going to apply what Scriptures say?? Christ came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
kayloveofchrist785 1 month ago
@kayloveofchrist785
He did fulfill it... Rom 10:4 Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.
Meat laws were not deemed necessary to give Gentiles at the Jerusalem Council -- Acts 15. Sabbaths too were never taught to Gentile converts. BELIEF trumps the letter of the law. It's through BELIEF that we obtain the TRUE REST -- BELIEF that Christ's perfect life is applied to you & for you..."being reconciled, we shall be SAVED BY HIS LIFE" Rom 10:4
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW End of the FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS!! now its by Faith. That text did not contradict Christ. Why would he say i have not come to abolish the law but to END??? not biblical. ONLY those things that represented Him was fulfilled or REPLACED by HIM. Unclean foods is not a law that can be fulfilled or replaced by Christ.
Jahdiel6382 3 weeks ago
@Jahdiel6382
You error to assume the meat laws were given for health purposes without a scripture to support that idea. Lev 20:23-26 plainly shows the purpose for the meat laws -- to keep the nation of Israel separate from the Gentile nations. These laws were built in to assure success. Fast-forward to Acts 10 & we see God no longer wants separation between men nor between the meats that symbolized them -- Israel/clean & Gentile/unclean. SDA's perpetuate this separation against the will of God.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 weeks ago
@Jahdiel6382
Thus the meat laws were fulfilled by Christ -- because His death, burial & resurrection opened the way for all men to come to Him. He accepts them now without having to first be circumcised to the law. Act 15 dealt with this very matter -- what laws out of the laws of Moses to give the Gentiles who believed. Since the Holy Ghost showed acceptance of them prior to any law -- it was determined that imposing such after the fact would be tempting God. SDA's shake their fists at the HG.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 weeks ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW In Acts chapter 15:28-29, the apostles says that the holy Ghost tells them to keep certain LAWS, where do you think those laws came from?? Old testament. Secondly in acts 15:20-21 it shows more detail which old testament laws was commanded and only those laws because they were reading Moses books and learning everyday in the cities where the gentiles were. Please look at these verse and see if your last statement was correct.
Jahdiel6382 2 weeks ago
@Jahdiel6382
Acts 15 does not say Believing Gentiles were hearing Moses in the Synagogues every Sabbath -- it only says these laws "had been preached" in every city. Peter's point was that God saved these uncircumcised Gentiles -- without them submitting to these laws that they had heard preached in every city. None are going into synagogues to learn Moses -- after being saved. They were not welcome there!
1,000's of Gentiles saved had yet been taught any OT law to keep Act 15:24
ROBINHOODSARROW 2 weeks ago
The few laws they gleaned out of the 613 were given solely for the sake of peace -- to keep the Gentiles from "violating laws" that offended the Jewish Believers the most. Yet even out of those -- the distinction between clean/unclean ended up in the "not necessary" pile. Plus, the apostles determined any more than these few would be tempting the Holy Ghost.
So, with that in mind, it's hard to imagine the Holy Ghost saying to EGW 1800 years later these laws are now "necessary!"
ROBINHOODSARROW 2 weeks ago
Mark 7:18-19.
kayloveofchrist785 1 month ago
delicious,,, for they trash.. scavengers, eat them and your like eating a garbage can..
darknight1983 2 months ago
LATEST SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH shows that pig's meat contains a bacteria that can't be killed by heat or by cold.. Imagine this you eating a creatures that eats your waste..
darknight1983 2 months ago
To THOSE WHO LIKE EATING PORK, SHRIMPS AND OTHER UNCLEAN FOODS, GO AHEAD WE DON'T CARE. BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER YOU WILL SEE AND FEEL THE RESULTS, AS YOU ARE CONFINED IN A HOSPITAL AND THE DOCTOR WILL TELL YOU TO STOP EATING THIS AND THAT BECAUSE THIS IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR ILLNESS. hahahahah
darknight1983 2 months ago
Nice to see you still strong in your belief though Robinhood! But yeah..., works are very much involved in faith! Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. James 2;18
rootboysupreme1 2 months ago
Umm! Pork roast for Christmas today!
ROBINHOODSARROW 2 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW ~ We're under GRACE 2B or NOT 2B is the ONLY question!! No WORKS involved..... Why do Humans Struggle with this SO much?? Hmm?? Got Jesus? Don't be CAUGHT dead without him! :)
SuperWilliam2424 2 months ago
@SuperWilliam2424
Simple enough for a child to understand -- yet baffling to the intellect of the philosopher!
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
ROBINHOODSARROW 2 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW ~ Amen 2 that Brother! :) Wanna Prove Someone or Something "WRONG" or Stand Corrected?? ALWAYS use Gods Words! ALWAYS! 1Co~1:27.... AWESOME! Ponder This?? Ain't it Funny how People ALWAYS make Reference to I was Led in the "RIGHT" direction & NEVER the Left?? Hmm?? We R to SEEK his RIGHTeousness! See Father does know best! :) Now Go get MARRIED 2 CHRIST! Not Merry CHRISTmas?? Hmm??
SuperWilliam2424 2 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Wow!!! Your still on here preachn!!! Lol! Do you remember me?
rootboysupreme1 2 months ago
Your music alone tells about what spirits guiding, leading you.
As for me and our home...we will do as Jesus did and asks of us.
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2 Tim 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
KnightTemplari 4 months ago
The first biblical account noting distinctions between clean and unclean animals documents events that occurred long before the exodus.Almost 1,000 years before God made a covenant with the nation of Israel,and long before that nation even existed.He told Noah to take into the ark unclean animals by twos and the clean ones by sevens(Genesis 6:19;7:2).God did not have to define for Noah the meaning of clean and unclean.To comprehend what God meant by these terms,go to Leviticus 11 and Deu:14
Jaime08Jac 6 months ago
An opportunity to apply proper biblical interpretation can be found in Genesis 9:3:Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.I have given you all things,even the green herbs.Later scriptures show that mankind should not eat every animal,just as we should not eat every plant,some species of animals and plants are highly poisonous and can be fatal if ingested.God expects us to learn to properly understand and his word(2 Timothy 2:15)
Jaime08Jac 6 months ago
@Jaime08Jac
Well, I guess God didn't love us enough to give us a list of UNCLEAN PLANTS -- Where is the list of UNCLEAN PLANTS?! Come on, get real!
God later forbid the unclean meats -- TO ISRAEL -- to keep Israel as a nation separate from the Gentiles. It was never intended as law for all men. The meat laws worked for the temporary purpose it had been given. Now that there is to be no more separation of men -- there is likewise no separation of the meats that they represented -- Acts 10.
ROBINHOODSARROW 6 months ago
@Jaime08Jac
There's not one scripture that exists -- OT & NT -- that says the meat laws were given for health purposes. That concept isn't found anywhere. The scriptures instead support them given by God to represent His need to separate the Jew from Gentile for a temporal period of time. When we get the Acts 10, it becomes abundantly clear that the undoing of the one -- undoes the other. Accepting the unclean meats with the Gentile goes together. Only literal truth -- can support spiritual.
ROBINHOODSARROW 6 months ago
@Jaime08Jac
Noah had no foreknowledge of clean or unclean as in meats to eat -- since he not yet eaten meat. Distinction was made since the Garden regarding the animals appropriate -- for sacrifices.
The separation was symbolic of all mankind -- the pure symbolizing the undefiled genetics of men descended from Seth -- the unclean representing the corrupt seed line due to Cain who comprised all the Gentile nations. God now makes no such distinction -- not of meats or men -- Rm 10:12; Act 10 &15
ROBINHOODSARROW 6 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PORK, EAT IT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, BUT DO NOT DECIVE OTHERS, YOU WILL GET YOUR RESULTS FROM EATING IT.....LOL....LOL.....LOL
YOU JUST LOVE THAT DEAD SWINE FLASH....YAKKK THAT IS DISCUSTING....CAN YOU FEEL THESE WORMS ON YOUR TONG CROLING WHILE YOU CHEW ON IT? LOL.....LOL.....LOL......
MrAndrVa 6 months ago
@MrAndrVa
Also, UNLIKE NOAH, the unclean animals spared in the Flood HAD BEEN genetically defiled by the Annunaki false gods -- hence the reason they were considered unclean. Somehow, Ham and his descendents likewise had their DNA corrupted by these fallen angels -- thus the reason Noah recognized Ham to have a cursed lineage. Ham was likely a step-son and not Noah seed. Ham's descendents comprised the Gentiles -- of which unclean animals represented. It had nothing to do with healthy eating.
ROBINHOODSARROW 6 months ago
LOL
Nashhinton 7 months ago
Pagan Christianity has always made up their own rules about what they want to believe, even though the Hebrew scritptures say something completely different.
They always misinterpret our writings to mean what they want it to mean, even when their told the accurate understanding of the events they use to justify their false beliefs, they still blow it off to mean what they want.
There is no argument, Pagan Christianity can eat a camel's ass if they want, it has no bearing on our people.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
Camel -- I haven't tried that one yet! But, seriously, do you really want to be like those who walked around in Paul's day demanding the laws of Moses be practiced by all the Gentiles when added to the Church? A Council in Jerusalem was set up to supposedly put this matter to rest once and for all. Unfortunately, the Pharisee spirit is still alive and well in the Church today like well risen yeast! -- Matt 16:6. It is deemed Pagan to those like YOU who reject the New Covenant,
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- You Pagans have no idea what you're talking about. How can the laws be done away with when Hamashyac himself said in Matt.5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to destroy, but to fulfil."
What you Pagans don't understand is that the Pharisees were demanding a return to the laws of ANIMAL SACRIFICES, since the apostles were teaching that Hamashyac had done away with THOSE LAWS, not all laws. I don't reject Hamashyac, just you pagans
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
The keyword in that verse is "till all be fulfilled." The separation of clean & unclean were done away with when the need to separate Jew from Gentile was fulfilled. It's done away with every bit as much as animal sacrifices.
No, the Jews were not demanding Gentiles who lived 200+ miles away from Jerusalem to travel there and partake in animal sacrifices. The friction was their clashing cultures -- the Jews insisting their eating and resting laws be enforced upon the Gentiles.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- Sorry, but you have just made an attempt of trying to undermine Christ's own words so you can feel justified in your tragically erroneous interpretation on scripture.
That Preposterous ASS-UMPTION is so beyond reason it's bordering on the line between sanity and lunacy.
You've fabricated an invisible line between Mat. 5:17 and and Pork, WOW, that's truly insane and makes absolutely no sense at all except among Pagan Christians.
(Continued)
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
No the fulfillment is all explained in Acts 10. The unclean animals that represented the Gentiles are now declared cleansed. The shadow is inseparable from the substance. The one cannot be undone without the other. If the Gentiles are now declared cleansed -- then so are the meats that represented them.
If you don't want to believe that -- then you have to believe Christ can "tell a lie" . . . as long as it is via vision.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- That's kind of devious of you to try using a strawman to link your verbal proclamations and attrubute them as if Hamashyac said what you're ASSUMING.
You are NOT HAMASHYAC, so refrain from that sort of rediculous nonsense please. Just stick to the conversation without trying to attribut yourself Hamashyac's piety that you are nowhere near fitting into his shoes.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
You can't argue what I said -- so you resort to generalities?! You're laming out. Tell me why do you believe in a Jesus Who can lie to you as long as it is in the context of a vision. Isn't that still lying?!
The existence of types & shadows are in the OT -- and fulfilled in the NT. I clearly showed evidence that the separation of meats represented the need for Israel to maintain separation from the Gentile nations. The meat laws assured that. Your health purpose does not exist.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- Give me a break, you're trying to suggest that I'm accusing Hamashyac of lying..........sorry that's just a completely rediculous attempt and undermining my argument, and any astute person that looks upon this converstion will pick up on your LAME rhetoric.
What you clearly showed is your apparent way of undermining scripture so you can feel justified in your Pagan beliefs..........which, as If stated before, is absolutely fine with me, I'll gladly sell you a DOG SANDWICH.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
Peter's vision -- You obviously choose to only accept the spiritual fulfillment and ignore any literal truth to it. That proves YOU THINK JESUS LIED when He told Peter to KILL & EAT unclean animals -- and then LIED when He declared them cleansed.
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THE LITERAL PART IS FALSE -- which means you believe Jesus uses LITERAL LIES to represent truth. Now, since when did Jesus ever have to resort to lies to support His teachings? Not even in parable did He ever do that!
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
WRONG,
What I believe is that you've boxed yourself into a construct of understanding that is causing you to detract from reason, thus causing you to believe that if I don't see it the way YOU'RE laying it out, then I must be calling Hamashyac a liar. That's the same impracticle reasoning that the pharisees used in order to subjugate my people into false perspectives. Sorry we don't submit to that sort of "ALL OR NOTHING" bombastic approaches anymore. The point is clear
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
So, in the case of Peter's vision, you have no problem with a Jesus who resorts to using a literal lie -- to represent a spiritual truth? Just when does He ever do that in even in His parables? And just how can something that is literally a lie -- ever rationally support anything in the spiritual? They have to both be equally true or it falls apart.
Plus, Peter clearly had to accept the literal removal of the meat laws [as written in law] before he could even travel with Gentiles.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
No........really I'm done speaking to you Mr. Know it all Pagan Christian, You know everything there is to know about My forefathers writings so there is no need for you to ask me any questions of which you already know the self presumed answers to.
All I can say is........enjoy your depravity, since it has no bearing on my people anyway since your not an Israelite.
No need for a response since You know everything, so there's no need. You're right, you're right (LOL).
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
You Pagans are the most amusing persons to be sure, however, you cattle want to believe in whatever you want to believe, even if an actual descendant of the people that wrote those writings explains it to you, you're still going to believe your pagan nonsense.
I leave you now to your garbage-can sandwiches (pork), and your Dog soups. LOL, you pagans are the simplest creatures, LOL.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
How pathetic. You can't refute me with scripture -- so your resort to name calling and derision. Funny how everyone I've encountered like yourself ultimately ends up scooting out in that same matter. How very sad.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
Seems your beginning to take on an effeminate stance in order to pacify yourself, chill out dude.
1. Pagan= Of or relating to such people or beliefs
2. Cattle= Humans, especially when viewed contemptuously or as a mob (in this case, just one individual)
It's not personal, it's just banter. You seem to be a bit high strung in your Pagonocity.
Take 2 steps back from your Christian juice, it might be spiked.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-Here we go with a pagan trying to tell me about our historical writings, laughable.
You are so wrong beyond words. You actually believe that All Israelites just stayed in Jerusalem? You actaully believe we didn't travel?
We lived in many places, not just in Jerusalem, and the Most High made preparations way in advance by the declaration in the law in Deut. 16:16 where we would have to appear before him with sacrifices in hand.
So much for your assumption about distance.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
I never said all Israelites stayed in Jerusalem. We are both clearly talking about Pharisees in distant cities. Point is -- they're too far from Jerusalem for weekly or monthly animal sacrifices to be the issue. These Pharisees themselves at most just traveled there for the three main feasts. And then they could have just traveled without the uncircumcised Gentiles.There's no rational thought in trying to apply friction to that. The discord between Jew & Gentile was a daily clash.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- see that's where you're wrong, the only time an Israelite was forced to come to Jerusalem was when he committed a "SIN", therefore having to come to Jerusalem to where the sacrifices for sins were performed in order to atone for whatever law was broken (1 John 3:4).
That is part of the problem you have with understanding the events. The Pharisees had made a BUISNESS out of breaking the laws= "SIN" (Lk. 19:45, 46). Hamashyac's sacrifice was forcing an end to those sacrifices
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
You're failing to distinguish between believing Pharisees and the ones who still ran the Temple.
Shouldn't Paul have written a strong rebuke to the Jews if that was the issue? Whatever the issue was -- Paul clearly afforded Believing Jews the option to continue in it. Your version has Paul allowing the Believing Jews to continue animal sacrifices for their sins! For Paul to say they're all right to continue sacrifices -- would be for him to say they can reject Christ's atonement!
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
You don't get it, you're confused.
1. Israelites who were among the Nations /Gentiles / Heathens / Goy were being converted back to their commonwealth of their natural herritage (Rom. 9:4, 5, & Eph. 2:11-13 & Amos 9:9). These are the Gentiles that are being referred to in the N.T. (Ezek. 4:13 & Hos. 8:8 & Mic. 5:8)
2. Those Congregations of converted Israelites abroad were being undermined by Pharisee spies
(Jude 1:4)
The Pharisees made sin into a buisness.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
No, the Pharisee spies were the BELIEVING PHARISEES. They persisted in trying to enforce meat & Sabbath law upon the Gentile Believers -- despite the Council at Jerusalem in Acts 15. All the scriptures affording the Jews the right to continue these laws -- but equally forbidding them to not enforce them -- are dealing with this DAILY FRICTION of a culture clash between the two types of Believers -- Col 2:16; Gal 2:4; 4:10.
Those like you keep this friction alive to this very day!
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
3. Paul did write a strong rebuke: Gal. 3:1
4. And finally, MY VERSION are what has been explained, if you choose to pervert my words into some spin doctor retardation, then there is nothing more to say.
Ta...Ta......
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite That STRONG REBUKE was to the Judaizers -- LIKE YOU!
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
YEA....YEA.......YEA......YEA........Christians know everything and Israelites don't know anything, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
That's what I get for trying to have a conversation with a Pagan Christian..............
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
You're wrong, the disruption was brought about by Hamashyac causing the prophecy in Daniel 9:24 in putting an end to SACRIFICES. That's why the Pharisees were killing so many disciples, because they were causing Israelites to turn away from animal sin sacrifices, thus eliminating their income in selling the animals in the Temple (Luke 19:45, 46).
This is where the prophecy of Malachi 3:8-9 comes in where the priests were robbing the Most High by their corruption.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
Again, that alleged view can only -- at best -- be applied toward the Jewish Christians IN JERUSALEM. We're talking about friction that was constantly present. And it was happening happening in every city -- some of them hundreds of miles from Jerusalem and the Temple. The idea that Gentiles in cities far away could agitate the Pharisees by not traveling with them to Jerusalem just doesn't fit the daily friction between these two cultures -- believing Jews vs believing Gentiles.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
Again................your misinterpreting what I'm saying.
I'm NOT saying Christians are returning to do animals sacrifices..............YOU'RE SAYING THAT.
I'm addressing the whole point why there was an upheaval among the leaders, Pharisees, Saducees, Sanhedrin who would cause those Israelites who were teaching among Judea that sin Sacrifices were no longer a requirement could now accept Hamashyac as their permanent atonement. Thus elliminating the Leaders bankroll.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
Nonsense! The UNBELIEVING JEW hated Christians simply for believing Jesus Christ as Messiah -- and not believing His body was stolen.The majority of Jews REJECTED CHRIST -- IN ALL CITIES. The only Church that had a predominate number of Jews was in Jerusalem. And, when you look at the other cities where Paul gained converts -- MOST OF THEM WERE GENTILE! Do the math from there -- VERY FEW Christians in the Early Church were Jews.
Most being Gentile proves VERY LITTLE IMPACT on Temple sacrifices.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
And yes, your view does require the apostles allowing BELIEVING PHARISEES to continue animal sacrifices [Acts 15]. If those were the only laws the Pharisees demanded with circumcision -- above an ASS-umed universal practice of meats & Sabbaths -- then you must look at both what the apostles deemed necessary for the Gentiles as well as what Believing Pharisees were allowed. If the driving issue was sacrifices -- then the apostles afforded the Pharisees the option to continue them.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
I get it..........I get it...............You Pagan Christians know my peoples writings better than we do. I get it, LOL.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
And yes, your view does require the apostles allowing BELIEVING PHARISEES to continue animal sacrifices [Acts 15]. If those were the only laws the Pharisees demanded with circumcision -- above an ASS-umed universal practice of meats & Sabbaths -- then you must look at both what the apostles deemed necessary for the Gentiles as well as what Believing Pharisees were allowed. If the driving issue was sacrifices -- then the apostles afforded the Pharisees the option to continue them.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
Of course you're right, You're a Pagan Cretin who's pomp far surpasses the wisdom of the elected people of YHWH.
Please continue with your high minded assumptions on my peoples writings, I'm sorry I even spoke to one of your types. I get it, I get it, you're a Pagan Christian that Knows everything about my forefathers writings better than we do, I get it. LOL.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- This is what cracks me up about you Pagans, you are so presumptuous in thinking that you have a better understanding on our historical records than we do, this is exactly why you people will never trully understand our writings, it's so beyond your grasp that all you people can do is assume and then condescendingly presume to teach my people about things that we wrote.
like I said before, You pagans can eat dead dog for all I care, YHWH said we can sell it to you Deut. 14:21.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
You're just peeved that I exposed how insane it is to think Pharisees were insisting Gentiles travel hundreds of miles to Jerusalem to participate in animal sacrifices. You can't justify such irrational thinking. Only a culture clash -- differences in food and holy days -- can explain the friction in so many cities so far away from any practical ability to offer animal sacrifices in the Jerusalem Temple.
YOU are the one forcing presumptuous thoughts into the verses on this matter.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- Sorry but you assume too much in thinking that I'm "peeved", did you not notice the words in my response "This is what cracks me up", thus showing a clear sense of humor towards your percieved views on events.
The Pharisees were primarily concentrated in Jerusalem and they did not want the cessation of their buisness. What you're failing to grasp is the fact that the 3 times a yr. Israelites would have to go to Jerusalem they would then atone for their sin through sacrifices
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@1Ephraimite
Your derisive language says it all.
Yes, the only place Believing Pharisees are seen is in Acts 15 in Jerusalem. But, the BELIEVING JEWS were causing the same agitation in every city far away from Jerusalem. What about them?! They were the primary cause that inspired Paul to write. THE BELIEVING JEWS -- found in every city -- were of the same attitude. Paul allows the Jews to continue -- for the sake of conscience -- but does not allow them to enforce such upon the Gentiles.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW- You reading comprehension boggles my mind,
We are in agreement in many respects to what you pointed out in THIS COMMENT. However, I was trying to help you view the broader picture of events that were taking place, in order for you to see the gravity of it all. Not just by your Christianized perspective.
Anyway, I think I've spent more than enough back and forth trying to explain my peoples writings to a CHRISTIAN to last me a lifetime.
BANG, BANG That's my head on a table.
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW-
This was the Pharisees primary source of income, so when Hamashyac did away with the animal sacrifices, they were at an uproar against the apostles because they were destroying their livelihood. This was why there were Pharisee men creeping in among the congregations afar to disrupt their undestanding by telling them that they had to abide by the law of Moses (Acts 15:1). Which meant a return to animal sacrifices and thus annuling the sacrifice of Hamashyac. Understand?
1Ephraimite 7 months ago
Acts 10 is about the gentiles being made clean.
ChildofYeshua777 8 months ago
@ChildofYeshua777
Try watching the video before commenting. In it, I clearly show that both are true. Both have to be true because Jesus never used falsehood to represent spiritual truths -- He only used truth for truth. Consider all His parables -- all likewise are only His literal truths to support spiritual truths.
Jews were commanded to stay separate from the Gentile nations & the meat laws ensured that. Now that the gospel is provided to all -- there's no more need for the meat laws.
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW
"Now that the gospel is provided to all."
Wasn't the gospel always available to all?
AromaticBovine 8 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW All the animals forbidden in the Torah still have the same diet as they did back then. Genesis 1:29 says Adam and Eve were vegan. Isaiah 11 indicates we will return to a vegan/vegetarian diet when Messiah returns. Pigs, shellfish, eagles, etc. are the garbage disposals of the animal world. YHVH NEVER intended them for human consumption.
ChildofYeshua777 8 months ago
@ChildofYeshua777
We're not in the Millennium. Plus, there's absolutely no evidence in scripture allowing you to conclude the meat laws were given for health purposes. On the other hand, there's a plethora of evidence showing the meat laws were given to the Hebrews in order to ensure their separation from the Gentiles. The separation of clean and unclean meats was representative of that -- and that alone. Acts 10 & 15 -- and many other such verses -- prove this separation no longer necessary.
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
YHVH NEVER EVER intended them for human consumption?!
Gen 9:3 EVERY MOVING THING THAT LIVETH SHALL BE MEAT FOR YOU; even as the green herb have I given you ALL THINGS.
This diet is repeated to NEW COVENANT BELIEVERS . . .
1Ti 4:4 FOR EVERY CREATURE OF GOD IS GOOD, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
The preceding verse says APOSTATES will enforce vegetarianism in latter days . . .
Commanding to abstain from meats WHICH GOD HATH CREATED TO BE RECEIVED -- 1Ti 4:3
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
Jesus Christ / Yehoshua ATE MEAT -- even with His resurrected Body. Are you more holy than He?
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Then why was Noah told to bring 7 of every clean animal and 2 of every unclean animal? Unclean creatures still eat shit compared to cows, deer, salmon, etc. Pork has a lot of diseases, too.
ChildofYeshua777 8 months ago
@ChildofYeshua777
Noah had no foreknowledge of clean/unclean as in meats to eat -- since he not eaten meat. Distinction was made since the Garden regarding the animals appropriate -- for sacrifices.
The separation was symbolic of all mankind -- the pure symbolizing the undefiled genetics of men descended from Seth -- the unclean representing the corrupt seed line due to Cain who comprised all the Gentile nations. God now makes no such distinction -- not of meats or men -- Rm 10:12; Act 10&15
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
Show me just one verse that reveals the meat laws given for health purposes. And then -- show them imposed upon the Gentile converts under the New Covenant. When I look for these things in God's Word -- all I hear are crickets. And when I do find verses on the matter -- they all support leaving the Gentiles who believe out of having to observe these laws. There are many verses that speak that loudly and plainly in the New Testament. Those who twist those verses do so to their own destruction.
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Exodus 12:49 says Torah is for Jews and Gentiles. Matthew 5:17, Yeshua says Torah is in effect until heaven and Earth pass away and Romans 11, Sha'ul says Gentiles are grafted into the tree of Yisrael. I'm a Gentile and feel better since I started following YHVH eternal instructions a few years ago.
ChildofYeshua777 8 months ago
@ChildofYeshua777
The Nt states the Gentiles would have to first be circumcised in order to participate -- meaning, they first had to become proselyte Jews in order to observe the laws of Moses.
Circumcision was the prerequisite imposed as necessary for a Gentile to observe Mosaic law, The fact the the New Covenant defends against Gentiles having to be circumcised likewise proves they were not being commanded to observe the laws of Moses.The determination in Acts15 was enough to the Holy Ghost.
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Right, I agree with Gentiles not having to be circumcised. The barrier between Jews and Gentiles was done away with. Galatians 3:28 deals with this.I personally feel as being grafted into the tree of Yisrael, it is good to follow Torah. Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem, Sha'ul and the Talmidim construct a way for Gentiles to become followers of the way. It's kinda like the Noahide laws in Rabbinic JUdaism. A bare minimum that leads to Torah.
ChildofYeshua777 8 months ago
@ChildofYeshua777
No, the Council at Jerusalem did not create an entry point for the Gentiles to start a "minimum that leads to Torah" -- not in any way, shape or form! The Jewish brethren were allowed to continue the Torah -- but they were not allowed to enforce Torah on Gentiles. That was the outcome that pleased the Holy Ghost. If Torah was the goal -- they'd have circumcised all the believing Gentiles.
You are fighting directly against the Holy Ghost on this matter -- Acts15:10,19, & 28!
ROBINHOODSARROW 8 months ago
by the way the singing sausages are very creepy.
TheRealMintyLove 8 months ago
Act 10:15 is not really about unclean and clean meat, its about how the Jewish (in this case Peter) viewed the gentiles as common and unclean and so doing restrict them from coming to christ. The get up and kill dream was just used as a illustration
TheRealMintyLove 8 months ago
@robinwood I looked up all the verses you listed.every single one in context is spoken about the eating of meat sacrificed to idols.it has nothing to do with pork.to the 1st century church pork was not food. also isaiah was not written to only jews.jews are from the tribe of judah= 1 tribe.there r 12 tribes in the commonwealth of israel.so its written to you..romans 11/Galations 3 says if you r in christ you are now a citizen in the commonwealth of israel.
wesleyjraines 9 months ago
@wesleyjraines How easy for you to just say "nothing is in context" in one broad sweep. Truth is, most of the early Church was comprised of Gentile converts. The only exception was the Church at Jerusalem. With the numbers being predominantly Gentile -- it would have been grossly negligent for Paul to speak such words of freedom. Although idols in 1Cor 10:25,28 does give rise to the issue -- the free words to "eat whatsoever" & "the earth is the Lord's & THE FULNESS THEREOF" cannot be disputed.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
The new Gentile converts were not commanded -- upon conversion -- to obey the laws given to Israel. Had that been deemed necessary -- then so would circumcision. The Council at Jerusalem was to settle the matter FOREVER about what laws were necessary out of the Books of Moses to give to the Gentiles. Their list DID NOT include they abstain from unclean meats. Nowhere do you find Gentiles being instructed to do so. It is insane to think all that happened without any command or show of discipline.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
Isaiah 65 2-6 roughly I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good According to their own thoughts people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face Who eat swines flesh And the broth of abominable things is in their vessels Who say Keep to yourself Do not come near me For I am holier than you These are smoke in My nostrils A fire that burns all the day
wesleyjraines 9 months ago
@wesleyjraines Isaiah 65 2-6 was spoken against apostate Jews -- not of Gentiles. Nowhere does God ever command Gentiles to abstain from unclean meats -- not before Christ or after.
Show 1 verse in the NT where a Gentile convert to Christ is instructed to kill/sell off his unclean livestock and cease eating unclean meats like a Jew -- an impossible feat w/o constant encouragement and discipline. Yet, the apostles speak words that say the opposite -- Col 2:16;Rom 14:2-4;Acts 10:15;1Tim 4:1-5.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW
Show me one verse in the New Testament where it says I can't have sex with a sheep. Yeah, I know that's gross, but that's what the "show me one verse in the New Testament" method of hermeneutics gets you.
Let's take it further. Show me one verse in the even numbered verses of Jude that says the moon isn't made of cheese.
Can't do it? See?
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MrAndrVa 9 months ago
GOD NEVER CLEANSED UNCLEAN ANIMALS, READ YOUR BIBLE MORE CAREFUL.
MrAndrVa 9 months ago
@MrAndrVa
Ooh, yeah -- thanks for the refresher!
But Peter said, Not so, Lord for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the 2nd time, WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED THAT CALL NOT THOU COMMON. This was done thrice and the vessel was received up again into heaven -- Act10:14-16.
Only literal truth can validly reflect spiritual truth. If Gentiles are now clean -- then so the meats that represented them for separation. Otherwise you make Christ a liar
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Peters vision was refering to gentiles, so that Peter would not consider gentiles unclean. (Read the whole chapter) Peter did not start to eat all this wild beasts and creeping things.
Those people who continue to eat swine's flesh, they are suffer the consequences! God knows what is good for us and whats bad. these animals are scavengers.
here is a good reference for you to see.
youtube.com/watch?v=d-2KOEBtGxA&feature=related
MrAndrVa 9 months ago 2
@MrAndrVa
Jesus only used literal truths to represent His spiritual teachings -- He never used falsehood as a representation. You suggest that Jesus LIED TO PETER about meats now being now cleansed in order to get Peter to believe Gentiles now accepted. A doctrine that makes Jesus a liar in ought to set off alarms & whistles.
The unclean meats represented the Gentiles under the OT -- given to keep Israel separate. The undoing of the one undoes the other. Health was never given as a reason.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW I did not suggest that Jesus LIED TO PETER, ***YOU JUST SAID THAT***
And the doctrine you preaching are sending false alarms. come on, read your Bible, and do not twist Scriptures to satisfy your swine cravings. Results are speaking for themselves, all diseases that people get from those unclean things. TRY TO PRAY OVER SWINES MEAT, AND PUT UNDER MICROSCOPE, SEE IF WORMS IN THE MEAD WILL DIE :) JUST THINK ABOUT THAT EVERYTIME YOU EAT PORK!!! BONE APPETIT!!! ;)
MrAndrVa 9 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW We are sanctified tru Christ by faith, we have to accept Jesus by faith to be cleansed and sanctified, ( do you really think that swine can be sanctified same way?) COME ON!
Jesus is the way truth and life, he did not came to save swine, but to save sinners that eat swine and do other sinful things. Do not twist Holy Scriptures to satisfy your sinful cravings
MrAndrVa 9 months ago
@MrAndrVa I don't discount justification by faith. Point is -- Jesus never used a literal lie to enforce that spiritual truth. If you think swine is still unclean based on health -- then produce the verse that declares the meat laws were given for health purposes.
You completely evaded the point I made earlier. The Jews were commanded to stay separate from the Gentile nations -- and the meat laws ensured that. Now that the gospel is provided to all -- there's no more need for the meat laws.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
@MrAndrVa
No, Christ didn't come to save clean animals either. But, since the unclean animals represented the Gentiles, then acceptance of the Gentiles removed the meat laws they represented. Anything else makes Jesus a liar.
You falsely ASS-ume the meat laws were given for health purposes. I challenge you to produce just one verse that declares health the purpose for the separation of meats. On the other hand there's a plethora of verses that identify Gentiles representing unclean animals.
ROBINHOODSARROW 7 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW you can type in search on youtube: The Mystery of the Mummies Discover How To Live A Happier More Abundant Live
Jesus died for people, to clean people, not swine.
MrAndrVa 9 months ago
The pope is god on earth 2 them lol.
TheDreadhead85 9 months ago
Cause his teachings go against god word. Look at roman catholic church. N order 2 get bless by god u gotta go thought the pope lol.
TheDreadhead85 9 months ago
Who is Paul. Paul started the Rome catholic church. Enough said. Jesus came 2 fulfill the old testament. Not 2 do away wit it. Jesus is da law of the old testament.
TheDreadhead85 9 months ago
@TheDreadhead85 Oh, you're one of those guys that gets so frustrated with Paul's teachings that you just rip him out of your Bible. So, take your Bible & rip out Acts through Philemon. If you don't like what the "Apostle to the Gentiles" had to say -- just expunge him. That's real honorable!
Jesus Himself said that NOTHING that enters the mouth can make you unclean -- Mt 15:11; Mk 7:19. It was indeed the issue of washing hands driving the debate. But, His all-inclusive truth was stated as fact.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
@soneoak everything was made a reason. Not 2 eat. Go see can u eat a rock. Go eat a human then lol. God made us. We are meat. So is we ok 2 eat. It's funny how u know da old testament gives u gods law. N u try 2 finds ways outta gods law in da new testament.
TheDreadhead85 9 months ago
@robinhoodsarrow what bible do u read. nowhere in Tim 4 it says anything bout eating meat. Never once said it was ok 2 eat pork or unclean animals. No chapter 1-6. U reading it outta contents. Would u eat a human. God made us. So u can't refuse anything god made. If that what Tim 4 was talking bout. He was telling us everything clean for it's own reason. Not eat everything.
TheDreadhead85 9 months ago
@TheDreadhead85
Genesis 9:3 -- God allowed mankind to eat of "every moving thing that liveth" -- hence, no Gentile nation shows any form of this alleged "meat law" in their history as you claim existed since the Flood.
Mosaic Law -- God gives Israel meat laws to keep them separate from other nations. It worked.
Acts 10 -- Separation between Jew & Gentile no longer required. The laws that God put in place to ensure that are likewise done away in Christ.
Literal truth reflects Spiritual truth.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
@TheDreadhead85 1Tim 4 begins with meat when Paul warns against apostates who will COMMAND YOU TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS. He then continues the same thought defining those meats specifically as -- EVERY CREATURE OF GOD -- calling all of them good. For what? Paul did not switch subjects and start talking about admiration at a zoo!
They are sanctified [set apart] as good by the "Word of God" revealed to Peter in Acts 10. You can pray over any animal as food with God's assurance it will be accepted.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
An atheistic view on this would be: "If God didn't want you eating pork/unclean things, why did he create them?"
Are the things that God create unclean? Or is it that he specify only that which is acceptable when practicing worship under the old law that he deemed worthless in the new testament if it did not bring one to God?
There were laws relating to religious practices, and Laws that governed God's commandments. 2 Very different things, don't quote out of context.
Soneoak 9 months ago
Gem 9.3 meat is flesh. In Rev it says the meat shall inherent the earth. They was under use. We control them. Animals bow down to us. We didn't have 2 hunt. We told a cow 2 cum n it came. Told a bird 2 get outta of sky n it did. N herb mean it wasn't any herb that could kill or hurt us.
TheDreadhead85 10 months ago
Ti 4.4 he was saying every animal is clean for it own reason. Don't mean eat every animal. Da part about thanksgiving he was talking bout just plain ole given thanks for every animal on earth. Also a sin 2 kill any animal u ain't gonna eat.
TheDreadhead85 10 months ago
@TheDreadhead85 That concept requires there to be religions existing that hated a certain species -- and set on their extinction. So, the context in Tim 4 is clearly about meat. It points back to our permission after the Flood to eat of EVERY MOVING THING -- Gen 9:3
The meat laws only represented God's need to keep Israel separate from other nations. Peter understood this -- Acts 10. With it no longer required spiritually -- so also not physically. Jesus used literal truth to shadow spiritual.
ROBINHOODSARROW 9 months ago
Stay away from PORKS! The price is too high now. I pay too much for pork meat. Religious people refrain from pork so Christians can enjoy them.
GodIsSovereignty 10 months ago
@GodIsSovereignty Ahh -- yes! We are brothers of kindred spirit!
ROBINHOODSARROW 10 months ago
Noooo don't eat pork. He did tell us what plants to eat. Remember b4 Adam n eve took to fruit. Every animal n men ate plants. Yeah even lions. After adam n eve most high said we can eat meat but not the pork for it was unclean. Most was mad at us but he did not hate us. That y he told us about pork. Don't even touch it.
TheDreadhead85 11 months ago
@TheDreadhead85 It was only after the Flood that God said men could eat meat. He clearly told Noah they could eat of all flesh --
Gen 9:3 EVERY MOVING THING THAT LIVETH shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you ALL THINGS.
God continued this same freedom under the New Covenant after the law had been fulfilled --
1Ti 4:4 For EVERY CREATURE of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
Imposing such laws is apostasy -- Galatians 5:1-5
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
Do not eat uncelan animals God is going to execute judgement with those who eat pig's flesh and abominable things just like its prophecied IN iSAIAH 65 :1-5 and 66:17... Don't let human interpreations make you dispute with the very words spoken by the Mouth of God
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
Isaiah 65- 66 destroys that heresy of You may eat anything you want , Elohim already knew that in the ened times they would say go and eat anything You want but in his great wisdom he left them with a stumbling block from the words of the propehts, how do you answer to isaiah 65 -6 5 its a poeple who wasnt called by God's anme.... Israel is called by God's name therefore tis another nation who doesnt know him, its the gentiles!
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0
According to the NEW COVENANT -- the "Stumbling Block" is the very law that you preach. It is the law that continues to blind Israel Rom 9:31-32; 11:9-11, 25...
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the OT; which vail is done away in Christ.
If God wanted Gentiles observing meat laws -- then the Holy Ghost really blew it in Acts 15. Just show me one Gentile instructed to change his diet upon conversion.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW According to Mashiach the stumbling block is him not the law, please would you show me the verse where it says taht the law is the stumbling block ... oh wait Mashiach is the word of God therefore the Law also. hmmm hahah well lets move on to the next point acts 15 Oh it says these three things taht the gentiles must not do... oh Wait what does the next verse after it says, For Moses is preached every shabbath in their cities... They would learn later , not in a single time!
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago 2
@MARIOAnDrEs0 And Jesus has been a Stumbling block for what reason? -- because people prefer the law above His imputed righteousness.
The reason for stumbling is the same! Rom 9:32... They [Israel] sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.
It was the same reason the Pharisees rejected Christ as their Messiah -- their perception of the law prevented them from accepting Him. The law precludes you from seeing Christ -- 2Cor 3:15.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
Paul was merely stating that the laws had already been preached everywhere. That means the Gentiles already knew what the laws were. Which proves it was not a situation where they had to "learn" them later. The mere fact they were troubled by the demands proves they knew what changes it would require of them.
And last, Paul could not have been instructing these uncircumcised Gentiles to attend synagogue services to learn the laws of Moses -- Jews forbid Gentiles to attend without circumcision.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
A text without its context is a pretext
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
hahhah ok if everything is clean and nothing is to be rejected go eat snake poison because according to this, everything taht fits into your mouth is food LOL
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 You bring up a good point. If the meat laws were intended to protect our health -- then God would have likewise had to list ALL the bad things for our bodies. Where is the warning against poisonous mushrooms, coca & tobacco leaves, the Indian Pea, rhubarb leaves, desert rose, night shade, Daphne, Darnel, etc? Either God didn't care about our health enough to give us a full list -- or the list He gave Israel was for a different purpose than health. I suggest you choose the latter.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
This is Why God gave us those commandments: 25 “‘You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground—those that I have set apart as unclean for you. 26 You are to be holy to me because I, Yahweh, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
Leviticus 20:25-26
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Yes, exactly. The very last line TELLS YOU WHY -- to separate natural Israel from the other nations. The "not defiling" part was clearly symbolic -- representing God's command for them to not "mix" themselves with the other nations. The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that this separation -- as well as the symbolic laws that represented it -- is now "done away" -- Acts 10; Rom. 10:12; Gal. 3:28; Col 3:11.
There is nothing in the OT that says these laws were for health.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW You are wrong my friend, if thats the case, then why Did prophet NOah already knOW about clean and unclean animals??? tell me i would like to know? Oh i will just tell you the answer.... It's because they are santificed by the word of God from the very begining they are set apart creatures for us to eat , the other uncelan animals are not set apart therefore not good for us....I
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Noah knew the clean from unclean -- for offerings. The fact he already knew how to distinguish them -- BEFORE EVER EATING MEAT -- proves it had nothing to do with health.
The WORD OF GOD that sanctified ALL CREATURES for food -- instead of a select few -- is found in Acts 10:15;15:19-20; Mt 15:17-20; Mk 7:18-23; 2Ti 4:3-5. Enforcing meat laws on Gentile converts frustrates the grace of Christ & the work of the Holy Ghost. Jew could continue them -- but were not to enforce them.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Acts 10: is not about God santifying all foods my frineds, Its about sanctifying the gentiles because the jew couldnt go to a gentiles house according to the tradition of Israel, therefore You have to read Acts 10 and 11 to understand the context..... Mt 15:17 has to be read with its context to understand it, otherwise it can mean anything You want, he was talking about the washing of hands and not food...
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 The unclean meats represented the Gentiles under the law -- and Israel's need to keep themselves separate from them under the law. You cannot undo the one without removing the other.
If Christ did not also mean it LITERALLY -- then He lied. Even in vision -- Christ speaks only truth for truth. Not one of His parables is ever found to be untrue literally. Jesus only used literal truth to represent spiritual truth. Anything short of them both being true -- makes Christ a liar.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW You havent answered to the verses taht igave you yet, I answered you taht Messiah is literally making clean the gentiles ieven the Ruach ha Kodesh comes upon Peter ad tells him not to discriminate the 3 gentiles..... remmebr the vision??? the voise said kill and eat and it was repeated three times.... there were three gentiles, then later on Peter goes on and tell us taht God showed him not to call the gentiles unclean, for God cleaned them adn they can be together as one people
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW If Mashiach did away with those Laws, then YOU are making him a false Messiah Deuteronomy 13: 5
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW I think it's time to throw my last shot , and disprove your false interpretaion without doubt :16 For by fire and by His sword Yahweh will judge all flesh And the slain of Yahweh shall be many. 17 “ Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says Yahweh. Stop disputing the very words spoken by the mouth of God ...You teach a LIE
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Isaiah 66 is about natural Israel -- Christ rescuing them when He returns to rule during the Millennium. The Church returns -- with Christ -- in the chariots of Isaiah 66:15; Jude 1:14. Verse 17 -- which you quote -- specifically opposes the PURIFICATION OF ONESELF with the ritual sacrifices of these animals. It would be abominable to do so with ANY ANIMAL when you have the living Christ on earth to go to for purification. It's more about the pagan ritual -- not unclean meat.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW whan an unfair God taht he gives to some people some rules and to other peoplpe otehr srules, really, we have to say taht is unequal??? ok my very alst shot is isaiah 65 i wont asnwqer you anymore , there is not bigger blind thaan he who doenst want to see
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW
3 a people who continually provoke me to my very face,
offering sacrifices in gardens and burning incense on altars of brick;
4 who sit among the graves and spend their nights keeping secret vigil;
who eat the flesh of pigs, and whose pots hold broth of impure meat;
5 who say, ‘Keep away; don’t come near me, for I am too sacred for you!’
Such people are smoke in my nostrils, a fire that keeps burning all day. Isaiah 65 3-5
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0
Isa 65: 9 proves this was to Israel -- before Christ's first coming.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob [CHRIST] and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
You seem to think I need to deny God had ever given Israel meat laws -- which I don't. What we disagree on is -- WHO God gave those laws to -- AND WHY He gave Israel those laws.
Show me just one verse that says God gave them for health purposes.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW No that only proves taht God is promising to bring everlasting righeousness, this in no way ahs to do with that nation that has gone after their own thoughts, You seem no to understand taht the law was gvien to Noah and before Israel ever existed, now your point is qheter these laws are for our health, well God knows whats best for us since He gave us common sense , and wisdom we can now know with our science that all those uncealn aniamls are provided with diseases ...
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0
Again, Noah knew clean & unclean -- for sacrifices. Knowing this before he ever ate meat proves it. The distinction was always symbolic to ensure God's people remained isolated from unclean men -- no longer required.
The fact that there are 100's of poisonous plants that God "failed" to warn us about proves He did not issue the meat laws for health purposes. If so, the incomplete list suggests He doesn't love us much.
Hmm... What does the NT say about the common sense of men?
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5 18- 19
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 "Till all be fulfilled" I don't preach a destruction of the law -- but its fulfillment. To have the fulfillment is greater than the shadows.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW You seem to belive in the pre trib rapture, Again Mashiach and Paul dsirpove this in Matthew 24 ,and 2 thesalonians 2, He is coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION ! therefore you are also gonna be here seing how Messiah comes in the clouds, he is not coming anytime, its not gonna be unaware , every eye will see him, there is no pre trib rapture for the church
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 The second Coming is for Israel -- the taking away of the Bride is for the Church. I'm an Enoch -- you're a Noah. We all choose our lot in life.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW One more thing, You seem to try to get awaay with those laws, but in the Bieble says One law shall be to him who is born at home, and to the stranger who lives as a foreigner among you."
Exodus 12:49 , i have given you plenty of scrpitures taht disprove your teaching, Yet You have given me none to believe in your itnerpretation.
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
@MARIOAnDrEs0 Again, the scripture you quote refers to the law given to the Nation of Israel. Why can't you find any support for your view after the Church was birthed on Pentecost?
The NT is full of verses declaring Gentile freedom from such laws -- I've shown many of them. The problem is that you take all those verses -- and add exceptions to them -- in order to keep the very laws they declare us free from now. The believing Jews were allowed to continue -- but not allowed to enforce them.
ROBINHOODSARROW 11 months ago
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@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 “I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me; I was found by those who did not seek me.
To a nation that did not call on my name, I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’
2 All day long I have held out my hands to an obstinate people,
who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations—
uhhhh those are the gentiles my friend not natural israel ..... truth is very hard to accept but You are teaching a lie
MARIOAnDrEs0 11 months ago
I'm a Christian, and I love to eat bbq pulled pork!!! Praise His Holy Name for pork!!!
psxwarrior 1 year ago
17 “ Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.
Jeremiah 66:17
sammyg822 1 year ago 7
@sammyg822 If you read earlier in the chapter, it says this is going to be a time when NO MEAT of any kind is allowed . . .Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man,
This is obviously a prophecy about the Millennium.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 year ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW
Millenium or not, God is not pleased with those that eat unclean meats. Besides, it's ridiculously unhealthy for your body! Look it up! Your body is the temple that the Holy Spirit wants to reside in. How can it when you are polluting it with unclean food? God have mercy...
sammyg822 1 year ago
@sammyg822 Give me chapter and verse that says the Mosaic meat laws were given for "health purposes" -- you can't. Yet, I can show you very clearly in many places where unclean meats was used to represent the Gentiles. Once God showed acceptance of the Gentiles -- He allowed the meats that represented them. Peter companied with "unclean Gentiles" before any had been converted. And even after that he did not circumcise them -- which would certainly have been his 1st move b4 teaching meat laws.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 year ago