How Will I-1033 Affect Washington's Economy?

[OutRunr47]

Ever since the defeat of I-1033, taxes have skyrocketed. Property taxes will be doubled, proposed new taxes on all food, an income tax, and greedy union teacher thugs demanding even more money. At the rate Washington state spends on education, it will equal the what the Dept. of Defense. spends on the entire country and the total amount of taxes each citizen will be paying will be close to 100%. Thanks a lot you liberal tyrants.

[MajorityRulesBlog]

I-1033 freezes public spending at the current recession level. It does not allow for restoring any public services lost due to the current recession, except by a public vote. This costs money and is intended to prevent any new services being implemented, like investing in infrastructure or providing better education for our kids. It's says leave things as they are and it's everyone for themselves. This runs counter to our history of providing public services for everyone for the public good.

[TheCascadian]

"The people of Colorado repealed TABOR, but it will takeyears to recover"

This is a fallacy, watch TABOR in Colorado: Setting the Record Straight on Colorado's TABOR. I1033 will force elected leaders to choose what is most important to fund, if different than today, while able to ask for "more" through individual referendums.

[milofonbil]

I lived in Colorado during the 1990's. In those days, Doug Bruce, a "tax payer advocate", stated several times publicly that he wanted to bankrupt the City of Colorado Springs. People cheered him on. During the last 25 years or so, Doug Bruce, worked hard to enrich himself and his cronies. TABOR gutted the superb Academy School District 20. Colorado Springs is nearly bankrupt. And the Dougster, the county executive, he's rich. The citizens are mad and hate TABOR.

[milofonbil]

The people of Colorado repealed TABOR, but it will takeyears to recover.

I-1033 is the same kind of legislation as TABOR. Tim Eyman is not brazen enough to admit his goal is to bankrupt the State of Washington.

[TheCascadian]

While playing Sim City, your city will grow if you want it to grow, but you are one person and your desire is for growth.

Yet in real life governments are made of a myriad of people, each with their own agenda.

1033 will lockin in the current spending per person % and require our elected officals to deem what is most nessacary as there will always be winnners and losers in fiscal policy. The government is like a giant GM-like corporation with no board of directors! Unless we vote...

[mabewa]

Wrong. WE are the government. If we don't like what they do, we can and do vote them out. That's how democracy works. Imposing ideological rules on a democratic government is just stupidity. The good old fashioned way is far better: if you think your government isn't doing a good job, vote them out. We don't need Eyman and his rich buddies' special-interest bills to run our state.

[mabewa]

Tim Eyman hates Washington State because his wife had to pay a high tab bill for her fancy car. He's still doing everything he can to destroy our state. It's pretty simple: if Eyman sponsors a bill, it's bad for almost everybody except for a small minority of fat cats, and it needs to be voted down.

[Sarajane46th]

The current all-cuts state budget has eliminated all opportunities for innovation, creativity and pilot studies. We passed a visionary education bill with no way to fund an adequate basic education for K-12. Under I-1033, we will never be able to implement it.

[milofonbil]

Tim Eyman's I-1033 was actually funded by a very few people despite Eyman's claiming grassroots support: investment banker Michael Dunmire, Eastside developer and Bellevue Square owner Kemper Freeman, Eddie Agazarm, and Roy Ruffino

[TheCascadian]

Why does it matter?

[milofonbil]

You do realize that Tim Eyman and his PAC are a special interest, not a grass roots movement? They are really not interested in helping you as an individual, but they are interested in helping themselves by taking money away from schools, roads, fire departments, police departments ... etc. and filling their own pockets with it. It's all about getting rich on your back.

Ask yourself -what's in it for them? Why do they want to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to this cause? Why??

[TheCascadian]

Tim is in this for himself, just like me and you. Everyone acts in what they believe to be their own-best interest. I1033 will either lower my sales tax or my property tax, but reduce public services. I choose less tax, that is my "best interest". You?

[milofonbil]

Clearly, Initiative 1033 is a wealth-fare for the rich. It's a wealth transfer scheme that takes sales taxes and other fees paid by everyone and only using them to pay property taxes for wealthy property owners when the economy improves and more revenue comes in above this years recession baseline. If you don't understand this, you are being duped.

I'm not a something for nothing type like you.  I believe in paying my fair share for the services my kids and I receive.

[milofonbil]

I believe that education is key in getting the economy going again. Less money for services equates to more fundraisers. I don't want to see my kids having to peddle Tim Eyman watches in order to have heat and toilet paper in the schools. I don't think underpaid teachers should be bringing in the paper for the copy machine. Instead, I think kids ought to have books, computers, and other equipment to go to school. I think they should have decent student/teacher ratio, etc.

[milofonbil]

I believe that fire and police departments should be adequately to prevent our neighborhoods from burning and prevent crime. I don't think that policemen and firemen's time is well spent collecting money at intersections so they can buy new radio equipment or repairs for the firetruck. I think that roads should be repaired by taxes that everyone pays, not to have roads converted to toll roads just so that the roads can be maintained.

I believe in paying for my part of the commons.

[milofonbil]

"Tim is in this for himself" "Everyone actis in what they believe is their own-best interest." Priceless.

It has nothing to do with making more affordable by cutting property taxes. It has nothing to do with saving people money by saving anyone else any money. It has to do with Tim Eyman and his cronies in Bankrupting the State of Washington. I could not have said it better myself.

BTW. My best interests are good education, roads and public safety. I-1033 cuts into all of these services

[75Robert]

Will somebody please buy Tim Eyman a Sim City Game? Maybe he can practice screwing up a virtual state before he screws this one up!

[ad0304s]

The economy is not dependent on the government. Government is dependent on the economy. Higher public spending will NOT ensure a better economy.

[mabewa]

It will not ensure a better economy... but that's not the point. Having this one-size-fits-all formula imposed on a complex state economy was shown to be a disaster in Colorado, which is why the voters ended up getting rid of it. Washingtonians need to know the facts before making the same mistake.

[TheCascadian]

The drving force of the economy are individulas who make up the economy, not the government on any level. The government is here to serve us at our will, for our purposes.

[mabewa]

You're just repeating ideological platitudes. Most intelligent people are not interested in the tired old public vs. private sector debate. We're interested in what WORKS... and Eyman's bills have always been disasters. What modern societies need is flexibility (in both the public and private sectors) and this bill imposes the ideology of one man and a few of his rich developer buddies on the entire state.

[milofonbil]

The government is very much part of the economy and can very much influence it. When severely limited, it will cause a disaster. Obviously you really did not pay any attention in Econ 101 - Macroeconomics, did you?

You do understand that I-1033 serves special interests like Tim Eyman's PAC and his cronies. You do understand this, right?

[TheCascadian]

Since Econ 101 isnt a Macroeconomics class you didn't read the description did you?

Macro is not a science, but made up of various opinions with opposing viewpoints, especially kenyes verses friedman.

[milofonbil]

Economics is a science, but not a hard science like Chemistry or Physics. Yes, John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman both had opposing theories. But both Keynes and Friedman both understand that Government does have influence on the economy. The whole study of macroeconomics focuses on that understanding.

A poor state fiscal policy during a recession or depression can bring the state's economy to its knees.

[milofonbil]

Recovery from a severe recession or depression depends on services that your camp won't provide others. The recovery will require police and fire protection, it will require education, and it will require infrastructure jobs. This initiative cuts into all of that.

The possibility of a recovery can be completely wiped-out by not funding the projects that it will take to get everybody on their feet again.

People are tired of Tim Eyman's something for nothing deals. Vote NO on I-1033