(updated) Seize The Day Blockade - Faslane 365 Oct 06

[horsedrawngypsy]

Love you <3

[Compost666]

I've been arrested at Faslane, and I've had only 5 months unemployment in the 8 years since I left university. Is that a dole scrounger?

[Happygoff1]

Keep up the good work guys! Aren't we lucky that we live in a society where we have the luxury of debating how 'police resources are used', rather than having to fight to speak, or having our homes destroyed,children taken

Really love your 'Seize the Day' song. We'd love to play it in our piece of theatre we're creating to raise awareness of the work of Amnesty International. Would be cool to meet you guys too - hear loads about you from the lovely lady who runs the 'Tiny Tea Tent' at Greenbelt.

[krazybaldhead1]

Goodness me, what a lot of vitriol and hatred! Do these people maybe feel a little THREATENED that people like Shannon & theo stand up & be counted? If we want to live in a fair, just world, we have to fight injustice. There is no other way. With my hammer I break the chain.......

.......and yes, I have a job too! As if that makes the slightest bit of difference :/

[krazybaldhead1]

Goodness me, what a lot of vitriol and hatred! Do these people maybe feel a little THREATENED that people like Shannon & theo stand up & be counted? If we want to live in a fair, just world, we have to fight injustice. There is no other way. With my hammer I break the chain.......

.......and yes, I have a job too! As if that makes the slightest bit of difference :/

[unhalfbricking1]

This self-indulgent nonsense achieved nothing except making the smug middle-class protestors feel better. Police diverted, traffic mayhem, distress to the local community. The media, politicians and the wider public completely ignored it. Nuclear weapons are bad but they don't sell drugs to my kids or stab me in the street. Why don't you do something about that? Because it's difficult, dirty and dangerous. Leave it to the police - who are all tied up at Faslane! Way to go...

[ReissyMcGee]

Wow that was inspirational and reminds me there are some decent people in this world still, not just who think, but act. You have my full respect for this act of sanity in this increasingly insane world,

[ST0RM86]

I am shocked beyond belief at the state of these comments. You lot should be ashamed of yourselves. Half of you believe that nuclear weapons are bad yet attack the few brave people in this country who have the guts to do something about it. How do you think change actually happens? So a few people can't get to work for a few hours, self-centeredness at it's height.And FYI I am a teacher with a degree and not a sponger. The question isn't IF people like Seize The Day make a difference,it's WHEN.

[KierenMan]

Modern History in the 20th century:

Pre Nuclear weapons: WW2 50 million dead, WWI 15 million dead Sino Japanese War 30 million dead

With Nuclear Deterrent: No wars between the major powers. Conflicts restricted to small proxy wars around the globe like Vietnam, Afghanistan. Nothing even approaching the industrial slaughter of total war that was WWII and WWI

[hornydevil56]

all you hippy's out there smacked off ur face with drugs!! where do you think your freedom comes from ??? we need a nuclear detterent. but if you want to carry on laying on the road piss wet thru crack on nothing is going to change !!

[hornydevil56]

all you hippy's out there smacked off ur face with drugs!! where do you think your freedom comes from ??? we need a nuclear detterent. but if you want to carry on laying on the road piss wet thru crack on nothing is going to change !!

[Killie03]

...tumbleweed blows down street, somewhere a dog barks, and still no answer to the question...

[Killie03]

...whistles, rocks on heels, stares into space, still waiting for the list of tangible results from this load of bollocks.  And the outcome of all this was...?

[Killie03]

And you havent answered the question. What did it actually achieve? Negligible disruption to Faslane, huge disruption to the increasingly resentful locals, ignored by local and national media, took cops away from fighting crime, a massive bill for the tax-payer (added to the total for Trident), ignored by Government. Er, thats it. But, hey, it made you feel better!

Nuclear weapons are surely an obscenity but that was an expensive, smug, self-indulgent WASTE OF TIME, wasnt it.

[Killie03]

Well, what did all that smug middle-class self-indulgence actually achieve? Sorting the REAL problems is dirty, difficult and dangerous so let's go and camp out at Faslane! Let the police tackle the real issues in society, oh wait a minute, they're all busy at Faslane, er...

C'mon folks, help fix broken Britain first, hard though that is. I look forward to your tortured rationalisation for this nonsense.

[cuntfacedgoat]

i'm so sorry that you're faith in humanity is so low ... if we ever used a nuclear weapon it would be 10 times worse than 9/11 ... think the credit crunch is bad? 1 nuclear exchange anywhere in the world and every economy will be destroyed not to mention hundreds of thousands dead and slow deaths with cancer for the rest - so that is how i'll rationalise it you tory twaaaaaaat

[killie04]

Hmm, you started well but kind of blew it at the end. 'Tory twat'? I said I DON'T LIKE smug middle-class etc, oh never mind. Yes, nuclear weapons are a bad thing but they don't sell drugs to my kids or knife me in the street. Tackling the more immediate issues is dirty, difficult and dangerous. Let someone else do it! We'll go to Faslane and achieve fuck all, but at least we'll feel better! Meanwhile the country goes down the drain. Get out there and fix it instead of wasting everyone's time.

[MrAnnonumous]

why don't you padlock yourself to a submarine my uncle will take it down and not come up for a month

[pl126dn]

So you and your uncle are both idiots?

[MrAnnonumous]

well come on they live on nothing take drugs

[pl126dn]

You should try a little civil disobedience sometime or have you got so little passion left that you roll over and let your government do whatever they like?

[Scottishguy5]

Quite ironic that its because of Britains military might and nuclear weapons that these people are free to use their right to protest.

[DaftAida]

Promising and yeah, whatever, Express yourSelf!But,refusing to fly because of 'global warming'?Please,get a grip Carp Diem!Go for H.A.A.R.P. Diem and get REAL.

[Clashara]

Way to go people! Keep shining! Your spirit is going to be needed. Spritual Warriors Unite!

[iamarse]

You're just a bunch of sandal-wearing lettuce-eaters and ugly, hairy lesbians. You won't ever make the slightest difference with this sort of behaviour. You just make a laughing stock of yourselves, now go home and get a good wash.

[squeezyjoan]

I never thought that I would ever reply to a message on any website until I read this. You have clearly have no idea of what is happening in the world. The one thing you have achieved with this post is to ensure that as a 53 year old man with a family that I love that I will get involved with everything that Seize Day are trying to prevent. Thank You So Much.

[iamarse]

Good for you.

Smelly hippie.

[ssbn03]

A few double negatives I think, does that mean you support the mad lezzers or are you against them?

[b4u2r1]

fuck you lamarse - i hope if there's a nuclear war you're one of the survivors - twat

[iamarse]

Hahahahahaha - I usually prefer to wind-up niggers cos they take the bait so easily but you smelly hippies seem to be just as easy :D

[b4u2r1]

lamarse well! its lucky for me i'm not black as well then!! - ok you got to me for a minute there with your careless comment, but you really don't owe anything to the nuclear arms race, think of all the safe jobs can be created by diverting nuclear money into sustainability - you sound like you may have lost your hope but there's still time for you to find something useful to contribute to the world and in turn you'll get the admiration you probably missed out on in your early years - good luck

[iamarse]

Yeah, whatever. Now, please fuck-off you flea-ridden, hemp-wearing fucktard.

[GosforthMan]

I thought my niece looked very happy in that video. As she always is. With the education she's getting, I'm certain that, one day, she will contribute greatly to humanity.

As we all can, if just stop and think. And then do.

[Azathespaz666]

WHY WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR CHILDREN!!!!

[lor1991]

why not

[carl7t7]

How shameful that people take their children on these protests.

[monsantame]

Surely more shameful that we can accept the continued existence of such weapons. They only have to be unleashed ONCE to destroy all our children. I won't tolerate the existence of nuclear weapons in my child's world thankyou.

[kristoflammipi]

I'm certain a lot of these fools have jobs; I could guess the jobs they do too. They can protest wherever they like:the forces sign up2defend the core values of our society, ie freedom of speech. But stopping people getting to work and back creates resentment. I suspect that most of that protest haven't read the NPT, or any of the available information on how NATO's organised: or they might have some appreciation of why we SHOULD have the Trident system.Roll on Iran, N Korea, Pakistan etc

[eskdi]

Why are those people fools?Trying to reduce the chances of nuclear holocaust?What's so foolish about that?

[bigf2005]

Maybe the SNP ran on the Independence ticket?? .FACT protests at Faslane have achieved nothing. Publicity,yes, a 2min slot on the news if you are lucky.They have also managed to divert cops away from their communities, disrupt locals etc etc. My point is ,why not go camp outside Parliament and see what happens to you.That may be the only place where you may make a difference. As for the, we all have jobs comments...all the residents in the "Peace Camp" work 9-5 then protest at the weekend.NOT.

[bigf2005]

Maybe the SNP ran on the Independence ticket?? .FACT protests at Faslane have achieved nothing. Publicity,yes, a 2min slot on the news if you are lucky.They have also managed to divert cops away from their communities, disrupt locals etc etc. My point is ,why not go camp outside Parliament and see what happens to you.That may be the only place where you may make a difference. As for the, we all have jobs comments...all the residents in the "Peace Camp" work 9-5 then protest at the weekend.NOT.

[bigf2005]

Maybe the SNP ran on the Independence ticket?? .FACT protests at Faslane have achieved nothing. Publicity,yes, a 2min slot on the news if you are lucky.They have also managed to divert cops away from their communities, disrupt locals etc etc. My point is ,why not go camp outside Parliament and see what happens to you.That may be the only place where you may make a difference. As for the, we all have jobs comments...all the residents in the "Peace Camp" work 9-5 then protest at the weekend.NOT.

[jim0203]

rnp1985:

At last, someone who's willing to enter in to some sort of sensible debate. Thanks so much!

You are, of course, quite right that despite 25 years of the Peace Camp Trident is still present in the Gareloch. It is, however, extremely notable that the SNP were able to run on an anti-Trident ticket this May and win an election; I think they may be the only party ever to win an election when holding an anti-nuclear stance. (contd).

[adarby01]

Oh yes because we were definetly going to use Trident NUCLEAR weapons against Iraq, well done! AND of course the War in Iraq was the best thing for everyone. Look at your facts, Peace to you spainy53 xxx

[Obanight]

its so funny when u drive past faslane and u see one of the blockages :)

[jonohx]

What a bunch of greeny fascist wankers.....get a job and stop spongeing off everyone else you twats

[ShannonAli]

Thanks for the advice! From the tone of your comment I would guess that you are a tory facist wanker. Hope it made you feel better to get that off your chest.

[benstags]

Love you guys! Jonohx is clearly ignorant, most of the people i am sure have jobs deffinately the people who organised it, they organise it because they want to and take time out to do these things, do you not think it is a good cause? Or you really think these weapons are making the world a better place?

[benstags]

Great spelling too, you clearly are an intelligient chap, Peace x

[benstags]

*Intelligent, now did i do that on a purpose or not? any guesses? hahaha, :-P.

[horsedrawngypsy]

@jonohx pls expand your mind -your diction -social skills -and we will buy you a new hat lil Dick tator -enjoy your four eyed fish n chips

[motherbaynus]

thank you for all the work you do and all the creativity you put into it. In response to 'bigf2005' I pay tax and I'd happily send all of it to Seize the Day if I had a choice. Great night on Saturday by the way ( at AHP festival) THANK YOU ALL VERY VERY MUCH. v

[emptyhand17]

Still can't think of any good reasons why we need Weapons of Mass Destruction.

I'd rather see the money spent on the NHS, on mediating peace in the middle east, on looking after old aged pensioners, or in fact just about anything but....

[moonrat8]

Throw the Civil Rights Movement in the States on the list, plus the repeal of Section 28 and the introduction of Civil Partnerships.

People take so much for granted, it's sad. If it weren't for activism, we wouldn't have the liberties we do today.

[bigf2005]

How long have you been protesting?? what difference have you made? (apart from re-directing police resources out of the communities that badly need them, annoying the local residents, disrupting the local traffic) NONE. So do us all a favour, go get a job and contribute to society instead of milking it.

[ShannonAli]

As I have said before, things change when small groups of people are prepared to make themselves heard. We raise awareness and get people thinking. Differences? Well the road protesters changed this countrie's road building policy, and the GM food campaigners stopped gm food being grown in this country, and labelled in food. Poll tax? Um... women's liberation? A cross in a box every election sometimes isn't enough. It is our responsibility to question the decisions made on our behalf.

[moonrat8]

I am glad people like this exist.

[jjrp123]

Keep it going !

[letyourlifesing]

I can't believe people are seriously advocating shooting and killing peaceful protesters. I thought we were in the UK not a fascist police state.

[viperxv]

lol. they're nuke subs. it's not every day we need a nuke sub to back up soldiers. the protest is against the advancement in WMDs such as Trident. Soldiers are the government's tools of "helping peace" anyways.

[danny842003]

Well we needed a nuclear bomb to stop world war 2. Hopefully we wont ever need it again. but better keep them just in case.

[Ultimashadow87]

What a bunch of Sad B******s! Im not sure whats worse You along with GreenPeace or Terrorists... In My opinion you are the worst sort of people in existence. While you blockade Submarines that could be supppoting Troops in Iraq/Afganistan Just imagine the Men that weren't able to return to thier familes because the Submarine that was supposed to back them up were late... At least you can shoot a Terrorist...

[moonrat8]

Ultimashadow87,it is sad that you believe it's Ok to shoot protestors, or so you imply. It has been activism and hard work which have brought policy change for equal rights for women and minority groups, albeit the fight is not completely over on our soil and we still have progress to make. (part 1)

[moonrat8]

Ultimashadow (part 2). "Worst people in existance"? Did you even do history in school? imo nukes are a waste of money. As if wearen't already paying enough in to disgusting wars, we don't need these heinous penis extentions. We should be spending money on helping people, not bombing them.

[Spainy53]

Ah, AT LAST an explanation why the war in Iraq has gone so horribly. Someone blockaded a SUBMARINE!

[viperxv]

Love it, your blockade and the tune. Keep it up guys. People can only stay ignorant for so long.

[landsker]

If/When Alex Salmond gets the Holyrood "talking stick", he has pledged to evict the submarines. I have sometimes wondered if those who build and service submarines, nuclear bombs, cruise missiles and other such silly boys toys, do so purely from patriotism, or do their salaries sometimes guide their sensibilities. Then again, ten tons of steel is worth just £300, give it wheels and a gun, call it an "essential part of our defense" and it is worth £300,000.

[danny842003]

Good apparently one of the 3 dockyards is going to get binned any way. Scotlands economic loss will be either Portsmouths or Plymouths gain.

[asb747]

The scottish Parliament has no authorty to "evict" the submarines. Defence is up to Westminster. When he promised that it was just one of the many promises he could not keep.

[kristoflammipi]

Oh I agree, and if he did, he'd lose 11000 jobs in the area, not to mention 3000 people paid directly from the westminster coffers living there!!

[Housey1985]

I think scum sums it up. No concept for the real world. It's people like ths who cause the Rwandas and Kosovos of this world.

[ShannonAli]

Well, I think we've all come to a very special place. Nothing like a good Mass debate! Keep them comments coming...........

[danny842003]

i think MOD police should be allowed to open fire the first sign or sound of hippys trying to sing this gash music.

Why do you have to make peoples lives hell just because they are in the armed forces. There job isnt easy there away for months at a time. Fighting for the countrys freedom. They have enough problems trying to keep there lives together as it is. Without you causing even more stress.

GET SOME REAL JOBS STOP HARASSING PEOPLE THAT ALREADY DO.

[jim1679]

Danny, I don't think the blockades are directed at people who work in the armed forces, but the work that is done at Faslane to keep the Vanguard subs sailing. I'm assuming that you work at the base and get stuck in blockades. Can I ask: do you still get paid if a blockade stops you getting in? Surely your bosses can't stop your wages or discipline you if you're delayed by a blockade?

[Ultimashadow87]

You Tell Them Hippies!!! lol

[bettyboo700]

cut there hair, not the chains!!! get a job and help out your country not help put our taxes up, and taking our police off the streets (im not talking about the rent-a-cop m.o.d clowns either) im talking about strathclyde's finest.

[b4u2r1]

You'd love it to be all about long hair you stupid fucker.... the only way forward is to embrace sustainability - stop pretending the rest of the world wants to invade us and spend these billions creating the necessary infrastructure in order to cope with future climatic change - stopping people from doing a job we don't really need them to do seems sensible to me, especially when that useless job costs the tax slave 70 billion

[b4u2r1]

- the insanity is not ours but the yours - the west having a world full of 'deterrents has created an understandable arms race - the insanity is not Korea's or China's but ours in the west for setting such a shite example with the 'moral high ground' we had after WW2 - the first person to use a nuclear weapon on a whole city ruins the global economy - do you really think the trillionaires who runs this world will let that happen? what a waste and diversion

[bettyboo700]

stupid fucker.... eh!! you just have to look at 99% of the comments left for you manky bastards to see who the real stupid fuckers are!!!

[b4u2r1]

you rednecks are all the same, yee haw into war and then boo hoo when the war dead start coming home 75 billion pounds which could be spend to sort our alot more of society's immediate ills - YOU wake up - people like you are just dead inside with no vision or handle on reality ... can't you see what we are trying to do with a protest like this? - save money, save lives and save the planet - if you've got a problem with that then drop dead

[herringprincess]

They *have* a job. They're musicians. Did you miss that bit? You see them playing instruments, yes? Well lots of people like me (also people with jobs, who pay taxes and everything, funnily enough) pay money to hear them. We find it inspiring. And if some people without jobs choose to spend their time constructively like this, what of that? Would you rather our unemployed sat on the sofa watching tv? As long as there are more people in this country than jobs, we will have unemployment.

[herringprincess]

Oh, and my Dad is a policeman, and yes, I have protested in marches he's been policing. It's part of the police's role to do that. It's part of our role as responsible citizens to express our feelings on important issues and make our voices heard. It's also our democratic right to do so. If you value our country so much, you should really embrace the democratic system.

[herringprincess]

Oh, and stop moaning about taxes while you're at it. Do you have any idea how much tax is spent on defense, on nuclear weaponry? How much better that could be spent on schools and hospitals and, yes, police? I suggest you look into it. It might help you express yourself better, too, if you read. Hey, it might even help you get a better job so you can pay more of those taxes you keep banging on about.

[bettyboo700]

Wankers, that dont want to get a job, and stop honest hard working folk getting to there's along with stopping the kid's getting to school!!!!

[Housey1985]

Try this type opf protest in Russia and China and see what happens. Perhaps we should rely on Iranian, North Korean and every other bampot country for our safety in the future. ignorant scum

[tim237]

World poverty is so huge and multifaceted that it would be hard to discuss here. If ever you're in the Netherlands we should talk properly!

[ShannonAli]

Sounds good Tim237, likewise if you are ever in Somerset. Good talking to you.

[tim237]

Ah but that's not how science works- the conflict is in order to fund decent science you need enormous resources (I don't deny corruption along the way) the raison d'etre that the truth is blind and eventually will out through publishing (ie nature magazine) and peer reviewing- GM passes those tests. Nuclear defence doesn't, nuclear energy as the only immediate way of lowering carbon does. All this has little to do with multinationals and politics which are the next layer down in the pyramid.

[tim237]

Better have Newton Erasmus & Spinoza locked away for years with their books than this coconut shy democracy. Happily the monkey evolves. I'll shut up now..

[ShannonAli]

This particular happy monkey just has to say that relying on multinationals (who fund most of the GM research)to solve the worlds problems is not necessarily the wisest reasoning, their shareholders would be dissapointed, for a start. I beg you to do some thinking about why there is world hunger in the first place.

[tim237]

Presumably they aren't all in the thrall of of Monsanto. We all realise that Lomborg's climate change predictions were bad science and he was a charlatan giving succour to Bush et al but you have to be very careful not to make the same mistake. Again good luck to you all. This is a crap way of posting cos you can only type in soundbites, thinking in easy cliches is the modern tragedy. contd

[tim237]

The debate on GM has been skewed by a lot of people who ultimately have the wrong concerns- cross pollination isn't a risk- evolution doesn't let super breeds take over etc. etc. but quoting a couple of mavericks with dodgy research is easier than going with the majority of scientific opinion- what makes you think the various advisory committees all over the world have got GM wrong? contd

[tim237]

I love Seize the day's sound, commitment and passion (and she's got a great totally natural voice, reminded me a lot of the Belgian girls Lais) I just think that by casting themselves "outside" of all things mainstream (I don't mean musically) they lose the chance to make a difference. Stick them in suits at Eton and the paradigm may shift. But ShannonAli is right. At least they did it.

Peace and Good luck

Tim

[ShannonAli]

Tim, Bless you for your thoughtful comments. I'd like to point out that a significant amount of social change happens because a small group of people think outside the box and decide to act. What happens is that the radical gradually becomes the norm and things change.

[ShannonAli]

The road protesters of the early 90's did have a significant effect on road building policy. The poll tax was scrapped because a lot of poeple marched about it and we don't have GM food here because people like Seize the Day risked arrest by pulling up crops. It's always a combined effort, and a lot depends on the media.

[tim237]

Well put and glad you'll keep on keeping on. Thanks for making the effort on our behalf.Have you guys ever tried to get on Question Time? Again I personally believe GM crops are going to be a good thing, indeed the only way we're going to cope with the mess we're in rests totally with science (hunger specifically with GM) contd

[tim237]

(contd.) Were one being churlish one could also point to the waste of police time, though sometimes that's what they're there for. It's worth remembering the maxim that subversion becomes innocuous once it names itself. The Spice Girls and Big brother are subversive because however bad they may be, the world changed afterwards. Kids became a market and most of the crap out there post Spice Girls only makes sense if you're 12 years old.

(contd)

[tim237]

Everything here is totally laudable and you need such local action to let the powers that be know that there is opposition. The question for me is are the good people involved in all this maximising their energies to the greatest public good? I sincerely doubt that all this effort, however well intentioned will make an iota of difference- Britain's nuclear strategy will be decided by people who expect this stuff and treat it as a minor irritation. (contd)

[corpwar]

Well it looks like pretty easy self promotion to me, wear some hemp rags, get some bongos and all the superior middle class university students want to join you. How about you bugger off and let the 80% of Scots go protest for themselves, or don't you think they'll be able to do it with the right degree of pretentiousness? Daddy needs a haircut and a proby officer.

[ShannonAli]

Seriously, it's easy to attack what someone else does. It's harder to act. I'm interested in what you would do instead?

[corpwar]

You people have hijacked an important issue with your stupid, self promoting, middle class childishness. What point was there in dragging that little girl in front of the cars except for mummy's self satisfaction?

[ShannonAli]

It wasn't mummy, it was Daddy. They are having fun. We are aware of the importance of the issue, which is why we were there and made the film. There are easier way's to self-promote. If you have a more efficient way of drawing attention to the WMD's in Scotland (which 80% of Scots don't want) Please let us know.

[saulinroom101]

yeh, peace we dont need nuclear weapons in this world we. nuclear weapons are not and can never make any country safer it merly hitens the risk of accidents happening which would lead to some of the worste affects on the human race the animals and the environ ment. we must stop the renuwal and production of any nuclear weapons in the futere for the safty of the entire human race.

[FRISKYCATCHMOMNKEY]

why faslane? if that is were the nuclear threat for this country is i don,t think we have a lot to worry about.

[zigzie]

EXCELLENT!