@alec12 Do you feel like an idiot for getting FFD's service for free? Or did daddy not teach you that you have to pay for things? Alec, grow up and get a pair. Kevin- class of 97'
What are you the Westboro Baptist Church? You are firemen! Grow up and act like it!!! I've worked commercial and volunteer EMS for years now and this is gross. You'd NEVER see me PROTESTING a graduation ceremony. If you "guys" really want more money MOVE TO A DISTRICT WHERE THERE ARE NO COLLEGES! Disgusting.
I really do not think it matters where they protest. I also do not think Marist students are to blame. The students are not building the dorms the adminstration is all the students go to Marist for is the education. Besides I think there are more things to worry about these days than Marist College but I understand alot of people live in their own little world and it hard for people to see the bigger picture. (there is a bigger picture always).
also...this is ASTOUNDINGLY inappropriate and ignorant. Protesting the graduation? This was simply done for shock value. Your problem is not with the students but the administration. Protest a board meeting, protest out side of the deans home, protest the construction site. Please be more respectful.
@vittoriamusic I am a 1997 graduate of Marist, and was a volly @ Fairview. shock value? You want shock value? How about the fact that Marist RAPES fairview of its resources on a daily bases. How about Marist does NOT PAY for the service it receives? How about all the drunks they pick up every night of the week or the coutless AFAS they go to. Shock value? You better believe it. Do you have ANY idea how long Marist has been sucking the teet of the FFD? PAY UP!
@krichards816 I believe you skipped over my point. I said that that there are appropriate times to demonstrate this, they chose an inappropriate time. You have to admit, there is a time and place for everything.
Okay fine, no dorms. Then Marist will continue to admit more students every year and students will move further into your residential areas causing more problems becaue they have no place to live. Or Marist can build dorms that they regulate and control, keeping them out of your community. You're protesting the wrong aspect of this. Don't try to fight the growth of the school, it will get you know where. Try to get more funding for the fire department.
You can thank the 'NYC Exodus' for this new type of protesting. Not that HGHP or DormsoDoom are ex NYC compatriots. This whole "not here" exremism which has plagued Dutchess and Ulster for the last 5 years, is rooted in exNYC residents who moved up here to the stix, for piece and quiet. But found the natural order of things is expansion.
I'm just curious as to what you think about the benefits of having Marist in Poughkeepsie. Please, don't see this as a personal attack. I'm just trying to get more information so I can make up my mind as to which side I support.
I am a senior at Marist College and I worked my ass of to get there. I come from a fairly bad neighborhood in the Bronx and it pisses me off when these suburban jerks talk about how hard it is and making ends meat. At least they have a home and they don't have to share a room with two other siblings, work, go to school and still get hardly anywhere in life. Let those people that are complaining struggle to make ends meat in my neighborhood then they'll see a real struggle.
You people have know clue how good you have it in Poughkeepsie. Sitting there complaining because Marist is building new dorms. Get over it, you call Marist kids yuppies well, yeah alot of them are but so are the people in Poughkeepsie because to people like me and others who know what a real struggle is, the whole town of Poughkeepsie including the people that are protesting are yuppies. All of upstate are yuppies, petty, yuppies. BOOHOOO
Almost every family I know would kill to have home of their own instead of a tenament. Would kill to have car instead riding a bus or a subway everyday after killing themselves at work. I feel sorry for you because none of you understand the plight of others less fortunate. Its hard for me to have sympathy for people when I have seen and have been though so many worse situations. I know people that live in apartments without windows because of bullets flying. Fairview sounds like a dream to them
HGHP- you are singlehandedly making every person who looks at this page think the entire Fairness for Fairview group is a bunch of people who have nothing better to do than pawn the blame for their own problems off on other people. I mean it's really laughable- look at your posts! You look like a fool. I feel really sorry for anyone associated with that group who is in serious trouble, because you're hot-headed remarks are so immature. You're really going about getting support the wrong way.
As a recent May 2008 graduate who spent countless hours volunteering in communities and schools, I find it offensive to group all students together. In addition, off campus housing I hope you are aware that many landlords to Marist students are local cops in the community, I personally rented from a cop this past year. Therefore they are willing to accept monthly rent from these so called "spoiled college students." Yet when the Women's Basketball teams wins games everyone is running to McCann.
Yes Silly I am aware that T/Pok Cops are absentee Landlords - one of them was formerly the Rep. on the DC Leg. for the area - and one absentee landlord sits on the Town Board - Both are considered a conflict of interest in my book. Your Community Service is appreciated - however your irresponsble classmates and those to come are a great deal more prevalent - Maybe you could return and give other's lesson. Your service does not make up for Marist Admin's. LACK of RESPONSIBILITY.
Marist finds oopholes & places itself in elected state officials pockets-Marist compares itself to other League Colleges to which it cannot compare-sells itself as a Best Buy-the losers-those who buy Education at Marist & choose to be blind to burdens this institution places on the community including their own safety-the previous poster a classic example-it is what it is a pending disaster while Marist neighbors pay the $ for their ignorance. We see these students daily-no need to look closer.
"We see these students daily-no need to look closer." How sadly ignorant. You harbor such a hatred toward the entire student body. You do realize that getting students on your side has the potential to help your cause a great deal? News flash. The students aren't going anywhere, and neither is Marist. Your time would be better spent encouraging them to take action. If you stopped blaming them for the admin's faults for one second and spoke rationally, you might have someone take you seriously.
First, its losers like U who do every thing to find loopholes in our laws so you can go out and whine about a petty thing about paying a little extra for housing. And another thing, your "Drunken college student" descriptions are nothing more than just a blatent stereotype. Not all Marist students drink, you know. Mabye instead of putting labels on good hard-working college student, you should visit the campus and see that most of the Marist student body are not so bad.
Hey Red -Hope U checked out Sunday's (July 6, 2008) Poughkeepsie Journal article
"Tax load shared unfairly, critics say - Residents want a slew of exempt entities to pay for services they use"
Should be some good background for a "Circle" (Mari$t Student Newspaper) article/editorial & clarify for U some of the aspects of the issues facing Fairview.
Mari$t's Massie is something else - he says the problem is bigger than Mari$t - MARI$T is the BIGGEST part of the problem.
Lol you're still arguing with me after I acknowledged you had a cause. Yes, alot of students bring The Circle home, so this is probably your best method to reach all those parents spread out across the tri-state area. And that fake-rape case is an uncommon one which cannot be attributed to the rest of the student body and yes, we were told charges would be brought up against her in response to the situation.
I would suggest writing The Cirlce when school starts up full time and seeing if someone would be willing to write an editorial. That would be your best way to get the message out to students. I can't speak for the administration, but you could likely get a good response out of students.
I never intended to make comments about this video. I wanted to let people discuss this amongst themselves & I don't want to censor anyone's comments as I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I'm glad that my explanation was able to help you understand what we are facing here in Fairview.
I'll look into contacting The Circle & see if they would be interested in doing an editorial.
Thank you for watching my video & for offering suggestions.
I looked on both websites you had here and couldn't immediately discern what you guys had an issue with. And when people go off on tangents about student partying and delinquency, it does little to promote your cause. I'm sure students wouldn't mind such a small fee, but those who read some of the comments made on here will be turned off because they can be seen as attacks (again, the drunk comments). You definitely have a case here, but before you explained it, I had no idea what it was.
First of all HGHP, you are really immature, and I wouldn't be so hasty to take the credit for all that information, seeing as your best comeback implied that students are town delinquents. To the creator of this video, I completely understand what you are saying. I think you guys need to get that message out because all HGHP has managed to illustrate is that you guys think Marist=crap. Obviously no one should be made to leave their homes, but I think you need to make your purpose more clear.
If I can just get Tim Massie to understand & if I had a way to contact current students as well as their parents, I think I can make our purpose more clear!
Sadly there are quite a few in the student population who give the school a black eye with their partying. Marist Administration has been asked to add a safety fee of $1 per day per student to defray the cost to the fire department. Marist hasn't responded to the request. If we can get current students as well as Alumni to help us with this simple request, then maybe Marist will listen.
We have a large number of senior citizens and young families who live in this district that are struggling to make ends meet. Some say that if we don't like it, we should move. If that solution was so simple, I'm sure that many would. The housing market being the way that it is would make it impossible for some to even break even if they sold their property. Not all Marist students are drunkards and spoiled.
Marist College has been expanding at an alarming rate. Unfortunately, the fire department which is responsible for responding to alarms at the college is not. It has been estimated that emergency calls to Marist College were well over $400k last year. To offset that cost, Marist contributed only $110k. The shortfall then lands on the shoulders of the 2,224 taxable properties within the fire district.
I am the person responsible for posting this video. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not here to say that your opinion is wrong, however, I would like to respond to some of the comments here.
The protest at the Marist College graduation was held on public property across the street from the campus. At no time did the protest interfere with the graduation ceremony. Many parents who attended graduation were unaware of the problem & were interested as to why people were protesting.
So the students are not blood-thirsty thieves and the police and EMS are not babysitting them. Regardless, this issue is totally seperate from your housing issue, which I assumed was your main problem. Argue your point without making it obvious how biased you are to disliking anyone or anything associated with Marist. Take your issue to the Housing and Admissions offices, the landlords in your town, and the municiple government. Students are doing nothing wrong. End of story.
No issue is separate from the housing issue - the rest of us have to pay for protecting our housing and our lives and so should the students, or their parents or Marist. Why doesn't Marist Charge a safety fee they charge for everything else.
Your arguments are so poor. Students have voiced their opinions, and the school responded by building a new dorm and turning down the most applicants ever this year in the history of the school. And did you know that often times the worst security report of the week is someone burning popcorn in a dorm? You can look up all security statistics (on and off campus) on the school website and see that there is little student-caused criminality.
right back at you foxy-loxy . . . .and when that popcorn burns - do the fire alarms go off - and Marist's own Fire Department responds - NO - that's right Marist doesn't have a fire deparment! When those smoke alarms go off - its no different than if it was the room on fire and the emergency response is the same.
Statistics are only as good as the qualification of the data behind them.
Judging by your comments, it seems you look down on the students, stereotyping all as spoiled, selfish drunkards. You are using that to justify why students should be held equal to the administration with this housing issue. We have NO control over this problem and many students have spoken against these problems which you are lobbying for in the paper and to Housing. Most will be gone after four years. So stop making them "the enemy", because many students would actually agree with you.
and when those students are gone in four years there will be another round with more students because Marist Keeps expanding. If the students agree with us then they can protest with us.
Marist has no responsibilty to off-campus students, other than providing them the education for which they pay for. Marist provides a service: education, not parenting, not baby-sitting. They are no different than any other business. They are responsible only for what customers pay for.
And saying students must have no respect just bc Admin doesn't is completely unfounded and ignorant. If we can't get housing on campus, we shouldn't be condemned as criminals bc we have to live in your towns.
Responding with insults is unprofessional which makes people take you less seriously. So that was purely intended to be good advice. And check your facts- Marist has a very, very LOW rate for alcohol problems compared to other universities. Read the school paper for exact amounts.
Plus, you aren't offering any alternatives to housing problems. It's an issue that the school admits more people it has room for, but that's not the students' faults. They need somewhere to live- on campus or off.
Oh wah-wah-wah!! If you don't like what Marist is doing, then move the hell out of that part of Poughkeepsie! Second off, where do you people get the gall to protest at a college graduation? They should not be hassled by a load of crap on a day of celebration.
I understand your situation but you begin to lack credibility when you make students the enemy. Your response "you must be one of those Marist kids who parties all the time" is irrelevant to your cause and lacks profesionalism. You are bound to receive criticism: learn to respond to it with some class. If the landlords are screwing you over, take it up with them and appreciate that Marist is building dorms to keep kids out of your towns. Btw, most students have LITTLE money (i.e. student loans?)
you know how i got through marist? i worked construction every summer since i was 16 to help pay for my education. protest whatever the hell you want but don't generalize all marist students as rich and lazy. what the hell do you know? by the way, i had many drunken nights around poughkeepsie. does that make me a bad person? did I really ruin your life?
yeah okay, i never ended up at St. Francis because i'm not retarded. i would say less than 5% of students have ended up being rushed to the hospital. and i'm not sure i ruined your community. i may have ripped out a few road signs with my bare hands hands here and there but that's it, i swear.
Road Signs - those are our tax dollars too unless those signs were on camputs but those tax dollars come out of a different pocket. 5% of the Marist Student population of 5000 that's 250 - in 2007 Marist had 246 Fairview calls hmmm - but they weren't all EMS calls - many were Fire Alarms - anyway it all adds up and we pay for it. In September 08 alone Marist had 43 calls in a Fire District where 50% of the calls are to tax-exempts and 50% of the calls are to tax exempts.
Whoops - In September 08 alone Marist had 43 calls in a Fire District where 50% of the calls are to tax-exempts and 50% of the property tax roll is tax exempt.
wow, i was being sarcastic about the road signs. and as for the rest, you need to get over it. in the city i'm originally from which is only double the size of poughkeepsie there are 12 colleges. you're not the only city paying taxes so calm down.
I understand that you have the right to protest and that you feel strongly for your cause, but i feel that protesting dorms at Marist's graduation was very inappropriate. If you've ever had a child graduate from college, you know that it's a very special and proud time. The presence of the protesters bothered many families on a day they should be happiest. It also seemed silly since you're protesting in front of families who are done with their marist ties since their child is graduated.
Poughkeepsie would be nothing near what it is now if it weren't for Dutchess, Marist, and Vassar. These schools bring a great economic gain to the area which would be absent otherwise.
Of course, colleges demand a greater fire response; no one would send their children to schools which did not practice the best measures of safety.
What are you talking about? You sound like a Marist student who lived on campus for four years and never saw what the other 99% of Poughkeepsie lives like.
Marist students don't bring money to Poughkeepsie, all of their tuition and board goes directly to Marist, not the local economy.
What Marist students circulate into the local economy, they take out anyways, because all local shops and services raise prices (because College students have lots of money), and the locals have to pay more.
Have you seen how much it costs to rent an apartment in Poughkeepsie?
Landlords charge college students $500 - $1000 per room for a month and expect local residents to be able to afford that price as well. How does that possibly help Poughkeepsie?
It is time these Colleges started paying their FAIR Share for the Cost of Services they benefit from & so should the other non-profits like the State Mental Hospital in this area which is 80% tax exempt.
Dorms & Town Houses produce the greatest Fire & EMS calls and Colleges live free - we die.
That's a bargain compared to many other urban areas in NY state! Get out of your area code for a change.
College students have lots of money? Have you ever been to college or had a child go to college? College students usually have the bare minimum to survive (thus, why "student discounts" exist). Also, the money that college students do have, I assume they spend it in their immediate area - which is the case for Vassar, Dutchess, and Marist in their relation to Poughkeepsie.
did you guys feel like idiots doing that?
alec12 2 years ago 2
@alec12 Do you feel like an idiot for getting FFD's service for free? Or did daddy not teach you that you have to pay for things? Alec, grow up and get a pair. Kevin- class of 97'
krichards816 1 year ago
@krichards816 i dont know what the hell you're talking about
alec12 1 year ago
why are they protesting what happend?
i go to marist in sydney
charv3z 3 years ago
What are you the Westboro Baptist Church? You are firemen! Grow up and act like it!!! I've worked commercial and volunteer EMS for years now and this is gross. You'd NEVER see me PROTESTING a graduation ceremony. If you "guys" really want more money MOVE TO A DISTRICT WHERE THERE ARE NO COLLEGES! Disgusting.
echobravo316 3 years ago 5
this is like protesting against war...it does very little
koalafresh 3 years ago
I really do not think it matters where they protest. I also do not think Marist students are to blame. The students are not building the dorms the adminstration is all the students go to Marist for is the education. Besides I think there are more things to worry about these days than Marist College but I understand alot of people live in their own little world and it hard for people to see the bigger picture. (there is a bigger picture always).
revolution672 3 years ago 4
also...this is ASTOUNDINGLY inappropriate and ignorant. Protesting the graduation? This was simply done for shock value. Your problem is not with the students but the administration. Protest a board meeting, protest out side of the deans home, protest the construction site. Please be more respectful.
vittoriamusic 3 years ago 8
@vittoriamusic I am a 1997 graduate of Marist, and was a volly @ Fairview. shock value? You want shock value? How about the fact that Marist RAPES fairview of its resources on a daily bases. How about Marist does NOT PAY for the service it receives? How about all the drunks they pick up every night of the week or the coutless AFAS they go to. Shock value? You better believe it. Do you have ANY idea how long Marist has been sucking the teet of the FFD? PAY UP!
krichards816 1 year ago
@krichards816 I believe you skipped over my point. I said that that there are appropriate times to demonstrate this, they chose an inappropriate time. You have to admit, there is a time and place for everything.
vittoriamusic 1 year ago
Okay fine, no dorms. Then Marist will continue to admit more students every year and students will move further into your residential areas causing more problems becaue they have no place to live. Or Marist can build dorms that they regulate and control, keeping them out of your community. You're protesting the wrong aspect of this. Don't try to fight the growth of the school, it will get you know where. Try to get more funding for the fire department.
vittoriamusic 3 years ago 6
BTW, Class of 1990, who has done extremly well with my 'purchased' diploma.
masterswimmer 3 years ago
You can thank the 'NYC Exodus' for this new type of protesting. Not that HGHP or DormsoDoom are ex NYC compatriots. This whole "not here" exremism which has plagued Dutchess and Ulster for the last 5 years, is rooted in exNYC residents who moved up here to the stix, for piece and quiet. But found the natural order of things is expansion.
masterswimmer 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
I'm just curious as to what you think about the benefits of having Marist in Poughkeepsie. Please, don't see this as a personal attack. I'm just trying to get more information so I can make up my mind as to which side I support.
lbtnorthend 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
Which marist is this, im a senior in brisbane at Marist College Ashgrove
maddog11123 3 years ago
This is Marist College in Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County, New York, USA
HGHP2623 3 years ago
ohh ok
maddog11123 3 years ago
Hey Red - you say HGHP looks like a Fool - Have you looked in the mirror or your reflection on you monitor lately.
DormsOfDoom 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
I am a senior at Marist College and I worked my ass of to get there. I come from a fairly bad neighborhood in the Bronx and it pisses me off when these suburban jerks talk about how hard it is and making ends meat. At least they have a home and they don't have to share a room with two other siblings, work, go to school and still get hardly anywhere in life. Let those people that are complaining struggle to make ends meat in my neighborhood then they'll see a real struggle.
revolution672 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
You people have know clue how good you have it in Poughkeepsie. Sitting there complaining because Marist is building new dorms. Get over it, you call Marist kids yuppies well, yeah alot of them are but so are the people in Poughkeepsie because to people like me and others who know what a real struggle is, the whole town of Poughkeepsie including the people that are protesting are yuppies. All of upstate are yuppies, petty, yuppies. BOOHOOO
revolution672 3 years ago 2
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
Almost every family I know would kill to have home of their own instead of a tenament. Would kill to have car instead riding a bus or a subway everyday after killing themselves at work. I feel sorry for you because none of you understand the plight of others less fortunate. Its hard for me to have sympathy for people when I have seen and have been though so many worse situations. I know people that live in apartments without windows because of bullets flying. Fairview sounds like a dream to them
revolution672 3 years ago
HGHP- you are singlehandedly making every person who looks at this page think the entire Fairness for Fairview group is a bunch of people who have nothing better to do than pawn the blame for their own problems off on other people. I mean it's really laughable- look at your posts! You look like a fool. I feel really sorry for anyone associated with that group who is in serious trouble, because you're hot-headed remarks are so immature. You're really going about getting support the wrong way.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
Senior at Marist and you can't properly spell "meat" (meet) in this paragraph!
bink914 3 years ago
As a recent May 2008 graduate who spent countless hours volunteering in communities and schools, I find it offensive to group all students together. In addition, off campus housing I hope you are aware that many landlords to Marist students are local cops in the community, I personally rented from a cop this past year. Therefore they are willing to accept monthly rent from these so called "spoiled college students." Yet when the Women's Basketball teams wins games everyone is running to McCann.
lilnarky35 3 years ago 2
Yes Silly I am aware that T/Pok Cops are absentee Landlords - one of them was formerly the Rep. on the DC Leg. for the area - and one absentee landlord sits on the Town Board - Both are considered a conflict of interest in my book. Your Community Service is appreciated - however your irresponsble classmates and those to come are a great deal more prevalent - Maybe you could return and give other's lesson. Your service does not make up for Marist Admin's. LACK of RESPONSIBILITY.
MaristOverRated 3 years ago 2
Marist finds oopholes & places itself in elected state officials pockets-Marist compares itself to other League Colleges to which it cannot compare-sells itself as a Best Buy-the losers-those who buy Education at Marist & choose to be blind to burdens this institution places on the community including their own safety-the previous poster a classic example-it is what it is a pending disaster while Marist neighbors pay the $ for their ignorance. We see these students daily-no need to look closer.
MaristOverRated 3 years ago
"We see these students daily-no need to look closer." How sadly ignorant. You harbor such a hatred toward the entire student body. You do realize that getting students on your side has the potential to help your cause a great deal? News flash. The students aren't going anywhere, and neither is Marist. Your time would be better spent encouraging them to take action. If you stopped blaming them for the admin's faults for one second and spoke rationally, you might have someone take you seriously.
redfoxes59 3 years ago 2
First, its losers like U who do every thing to find loopholes in our laws so you can go out and whine about a petty thing about paying a little extra for housing. And another thing, your "Drunken college student" descriptions are nothing more than just a blatent stereotype. Not all Marist students drink, you know. Mabye instead of putting labels on good hard-working college student, you should visit the campus and see that most of the Marist student body are not so bad.
darkjaguar111 3 years ago
Hey Red -Hope U checked out Sunday's (July 6, 2008) Poughkeepsie Journal article
"Tax load shared unfairly, critics say - Residents want a slew of exempt entities to pay for services they use"
Should be some good background for a "Circle" (Mari$t Student Newspaper) article/editorial & clarify for U some of the aspects of the issues facing Fairview.
Mari$t's Massie is something else - he says the problem is bigger than Mari$t - MARI$T is the BIGGEST part of the problem.
DormsOfDoom 3 years ago 3
You're welcome...feel free to message me in the fall if you are unsuccessful. I am a staff writer for the paper so I could always suggest it.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
Thank you again. I'll keep it in mind!
nodccdorms 3 years ago
Lol you're still arguing with me after I acknowledged you had a cause. Yes, alot of students bring The Circle home, so this is probably your best method to reach all those parents spread out across the tri-state area. And that fake-rape case is an uncommon one which cannot be attributed to the rest of the student body and yes, we were told charges would be brought up against her in response to the situation.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
I would suggest writing The Cirlce when school starts up full time and seeing if someone would be willing to write an editorial. That would be your best way to get the message out to students. I can't speak for the administration, but you could likely get a good response out of students.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
I never intended to make comments about this video. I wanted to let people discuss this amongst themselves & I don't want to censor anyone's comments as I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I'm glad that my explanation was able to help you understand what we are facing here in Fairview.
I'll look into contacting The Circle & see if they would be interested in doing an editorial.
Thank you for watching my video & for offering suggestions.
nodccdorms 3 years ago
@nodccdorms
what the hell is being protested? class of 73
penn1529 1 year ago
I looked on both websites you had here and couldn't immediately discern what you guys had an issue with. And when people go off on tangents about student partying and delinquency, it does little to promote your cause. I'm sure students wouldn't mind such a small fee, but those who read some of the comments made on here will be turned off because they can be seen as attacks (again, the drunk comments). You definitely have a case here, but before you explained it, I had no idea what it was.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
First of all HGHP, you are really immature, and I wouldn't be so hasty to take the credit for all that information, seeing as your best comeback implied that students are town delinquents. To the creator of this video, I completely understand what you are saying. I think you guys need to get that message out because all HGHP has managed to illustrate is that you guys think Marist=crap. Obviously no one should be made to leave their homes, but I think you need to make your purpose more clear.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
If I can just get Tim Massie to understand & if I had a way to contact current students as well as their parents, I think I can make our purpose more clear!
nodccdorms 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
We are not anti-education, we want to make sure that EVERYONE is SAFE in the fire district!
nodccdorms 3 years ago
Sadly there are quite a few in the student population who give the school a black eye with their partying. Marist Administration has been asked to add a safety fee of $1 per day per student to defray the cost to the fire department. Marist hasn't responded to the request. If we can get current students as well as Alumni to help us with this simple request, then maybe Marist will listen.
nodccdorms 3 years ago
We have a large number of senior citizens and young families who live in this district that are struggling to make ends meet. Some say that if we don't like it, we should move. If that solution was so simple, I'm sure that many would. The housing market being the way that it is would make it impossible for some to even break even if they sold their property. Not all Marist students are drunkards and spoiled.
nodccdorms 3 years ago
Marist College has been expanding at an alarming rate. Unfortunately, the fire department which is responsible for responding to alarms at the college is not. It has been estimated that emergency calls to Marist College were well over $400k last year. To offset that cost, Marist contributed only $110k. The shortfall then lands on the shoulders of the 2,224 taxable properties within the fire district.
nodccdorms 3 years ago
I am the person responsible for posting this video. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not here to say that your opinion is wrong, however, I would like to respond to some of the comments here.
The protest at the Marist College graduation was held on public property across the street from the campus. At no time did the protest interfere with the graduation ceremony. Many parents who attended graduation were unaware of the problem & were interested as to why people were protesting.
nodccdorms 3 years ago
So the students are not blood-thirsty thieves and the police and EMS are not babysitting them. Regardless, this issue is totally seperate from your housing issue, which I assumed was your main problem. Argue your point without making it obvious how biased you are to disliking anyone or anything associated with Marist. Take your issue to the Housing and Admissions offices, the landlords in your town, and the municiple government. Students are doing nothing wrong. End of story.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
No issue is separate from the housing issue - the rest of us have to pay for protecting our housing and our lives and so should the students, or their parents or Marist. Why doesn't Marist Charge a safety fee they charge for everything else.
HGHP2623 3 years ago
Your arguments are so poor. Students have voiced their opinions, and the school responded by building a new dorm and turning down the most applicants ever this year in the history of the school. And did you know that often times the worst security report of the week is someone burning popcorn in a dorm? You can look up all security statistics (on and off campus) on the school website and see that there is little student-caused criminality.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
right back at you foxy-loxy . . . .and when that popcorn burns - do the fire alarms go off - and Marist's own Fire Department responds - NO - that's right Marist doesn't have a fire deparment! When those smoke alarms go off - its no different than if it was the room on fire and the emergency response is the same.
Statistics are only as good as the qualification of the data behind them.
HGHP2623 3 years ago
Judging by your comments, it seems you look down on the students, stereotyping all as spoiled, selfish drunkards. You are using that to justify why students should be held equal to the administration with this housing issue. We have NO control over this problem and many students have spoken against these problems which you are lobbying for in the paper and to Housing. Most will be gone after four years. So stop making them "the enemy", because many students would actually agree with you.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
and when those students are gone in four years there will be another round with more students because Marist Keeps expanding. If the students agree with us then they can protest with us.
HGHP2623 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
Marist has no responsibilty to off-campus students, other than providing them the education for which they pay for. Marist provides a service: education, not parenting, not baby-sitting. They are no different than any other business. They are responsible only for what customers pay for.
And saying students must have no respect just bc Admin doesn't is completely unfounded and ignorant. If we can't get housing on campus, we shouldn't be condemned as criminals bc we have to live in your towns.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
Responding with insults is unprofessional which makes people take you less seriously. So that was purely intended to be good advice. And check your facts- Marist has a very, very LOW rate for alcohol problems compared to other universities. Read the school paper for exact amounts.
Plus, you aren't offering any alternatives to housing problems. It's an issue that the school admits more people it has room for, but that's not the students' faults. They need somewhere to live- on campus or off.
redfoxes59 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
Oh wah-wah-wah!! If you don't like what Marist is doing, then move the hell out of that part of Poughkeepsie! Second off, where do you people get the gall to protest at a college graduation? They should not be hassled by a load of crap on a day of celebration.
darkjaguar111 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
I understand your situation but you begin to lack credibility when you make students the enemy. Your response "you must be one of those Marist kids who parties all the time" is irrelevant to your cause and lacks profesionalism. You are bound to receive criticism: learn to respond to it with some class. If the landlords are screwing you over, take it up with them and appreciate that Marist is building dorms to keep kids out of your towns. Btw, most students have LITTLE money (i.e. student loans?)
redfoxes59 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
you know how i got through marist? i worked construction every summer since i was 16 to help pay for my education. protest whatever the hell you want but don't generalize all marist students as rich and lazy. what the hell do you know? by the way, i had many drunken nights around poughkeepsie. does that make me a bad person? did I really ruin your life?
sox999 3 years ago 6
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
yeah okay, i never ended up at St. Francis because i'm not retarded. i would say less than 5% of students have ended up being rushed to the hospital. and i'm not sure i ruined your community. i may have ripped out a few road signs with my bare hands hands here and there but that's it, i swear.
sox999 3 years ago 3
Road Signs - those are our tax dollars too unless those signs were on camputs but those tax dollars come out of a different pocket. 5% of the Marist Student population of 5000 that's 250 - in 2007 Marist had 246 Fairview calls hmmm - but they weren't all EMS calls - many were Fire Alarms - anyway it all adds up and we pay for it. In September 08 alone Marist had 43 calls in a Fire District where 50% of the calls are to tax-exempts and 50% of the calls are to tax exempts.
HGHP2623 3 years ago
Whoops - In September 08 alone Marist had 43 calls in a Fire District where 50% of the calls are to tax-exempts and 50% of the property tax roll is tax exempt.
HGHP2623 3 years ago
wow, i was being sarcastic about the road signs. and as for the rest, you need to get over it. in the city i'm originally from which is only double the size of poughkeepsie there are 12 colleges. you're not the only city paying taxes so calm down.
sox999 3 years ago 2
LAWLZ
MrMetNet 3 years ago
I understand that you have the right to protest and that you feel strongly for your cause, but i feel that protesting dorms at Marist's graduation was very inappropriate. If you've ever had a child graduate from college, you know that it's a very special and proud time. The presence of the protesters bothered many families on a day they should be happiest. It also seemed silly since you're protesting in front of families who are done with their marist ties since their child is graduated.
keeptellin 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
I agree with keeptellin
darkjaguar111 3 years ago
NO DORMS! We are being screwed BIG TIME. NO DORMS!
Tommyr 3 years ago
Poughkeepsie would be nothing near what it is now if it weren't for Dutchess, Marist, and Vassar. These schools bring a great economic gain to the area which would be absent otherwise.
Of course, colleges demand a greater fire response; no one would send their children to schools which did not practice the best measures of safety.
keeptellin 3 years ago
What are you talking about? You sound like a Marist student who lived on campus for four years and never saw what the other 99% of Poughkeepsie lives like.
Marist students don't bring money to Poughkeepsie, all of their tuition and board goes directly to Marist, not the local economy.
What Marist students circulate into the local economy, they take out anyways, because all local shops and services raise prices (because College students have lots of money), and the locals have to pay more.
DonkeyFist 3 years ago
Have you seen how much it costs to rent an apartment in Poughkeepsie?
Landlords charge college students $500 - $1000 per room for a month and expect local residents to be able to afford that price as well. How does that possibly help Poughkeepsie?
DonkeyFist 3 years ago
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HGHP2623 3 years ago
Thank You for this.
Fairness For Fairview - Yes
Dorms - NO
No Dorms for Dutchess Community College
No More Dorms or Town Houses for Marist
It is time these Colleges started paying their FAIR Share for the Cost of Services they benefit from & so should the other non-profits like the State Mental Hospital in this area which is 80% tax exempt.
Dorms & Town Houses produce the greatest Fire & EMS calls and Colleges live free - we die.
HGHP2623 3 years ago
That's a bargain compared to many other urban areas in NY state! Get out of your area code for a change.
College students have lots of money? Have you ever been to college or had a child go to college? College students usually have the bare minimum to survive (thus, why "student discounts" exist). Also, the money that college students do have, I assume they spend it in their immediate area - which is the case for Vassar, Dutchess, and Marist in their relation to Poughkeepsie.
keeptellin 3 years ago