Dr. Joel Kovel - "Zionism and its Discontents" 5/5

[JohnnyRock2000]

Canada is getting more like the U.S. in that questioning Zionism is not done. Media is influenced and our present government is pro-Israel.

[mzkaddah]

Israelis kill a Palestinian family in cold blood

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[flattilre]

Joel Kovel and Noam Chomsky may or may not be correct in their assertions, but they are the two most boring speakers I ever encountered. What exactly, pray tell, do you two guys want us to do?

[mzkaddah]

TO DO the Fuck'n right thing and support justice because you knew the true story, not the media story...think as a true honest moral man....who would support justice even if the criminal is his own brother or father...most westerners are either brainwahed with falseness and lies that they believe that israel is the good side and arabs are the bad side and the stuipidity is that they relate that to them being good christians,..while the christ was never acriminal nor he supported ethniccleansing.

[mzkaddah]

or other westerners actually know what happened and support their tyrant brother, just because he is "The brother"...and try to justify the injustice by stupid claims about that the arabs them selves has their times in waging wars and conquests...well the narrow minded western mind forgot that indeed the arabs had their times, but I dare anyone to proof that they ethnically cleansed or evictedpopulance in the nations they invaded. The arabs were notcrazy about being a majority in conquered lands

[flattilre]

Well, it just seems that as long as the Palestinians and much of the Arab world do not allow for the continued existence of Israel, the Israelis have no real option but to keep building them ugly barriers.

[mzkaddah]

Habibi never heard of the one state solution or even the two state solutions...pals accept both solutions, becuase accually they have no choice except to accept..it is rthe israeli governement backed by the israeli public who do not want any solution...and again..if the pals refuse the existance of israel in any form it is..it is 100% fair and logical..and the west have to find a solution for the problem it created out of greed and desire todominateand we are not in a worry hon.Justice will come

[mzkaddah]

One last response to u MR. warm...what the jews actually owned before partition was ovly 7% of the land...abd was only ib one city Yaffo....or Akko can't remember, the rest was all palestinians...just to eliminate any twist you are trying to throw that it was the pals fault that they did not agree on the partiction dectated on them by the brits...the colonizer...ur comment trying to play a game that u too were liberated from the brits is a farce

[mzkaddah]

..u can't be libertaed from the people who actually brought u to the land to achieve a vile thing aganist its true residents...warmbabe..u belong somewhere in the ukraine, cezch, or poland..that's the fact even if u try and twist it..id we speak of u being lebrated from somebody, it would be from the germans...the brits are the ones who helped you to steal and displace..

[mzkaddah]

there is no resmblence what so even between the partition that happened in India and that happened in palestine..In indea, those on both sides on the line are indians...pakis and indians are actually one, not a single trace of arab origin could be indentified in both nations...however in palestine, the russians that were thrown to the land by the brits were totally alien to the land from the indegenous populance that lived on land..all israelis belong to eastern europe. where was livine born?

[warmperson2007]

Interesting and very true. But the question is whether a one state solution is feasable. Hamas is devoted to the establishment of an islamist state on the entire territory between the Jordan River and the Med Sea. And one would be fool to underestimate it's popularity in the Palestinian society.

[mzkaddah]

what a stupid questions? if that was Hamas intent, would that change any of the given facts that a crime was/is done and justice has not been served...listen Mr.warm...the core of islam is about justice and equality, and I beleive that's the core of Judasim as well...if israel follows the right track, there will be NO MORE HAMAS..or anything else...HAMAS is a reaction not an action...

[warmperson2007]

Islam may be about justice and equality but Hamas is not Islam. Hamas is Islamism, a phenomenom which appeared two decades ago in the five continents and Gaza is no exception.

[mzkaddah]

Sir I am a muslim...and I speak of true heart with no grudes or agenda...Islam is on the rise BECAUSE YOU (the west

) provoke it to be...its like you beating the sleaping bear to awaken it...israel merely put in political terms without relegious mumbo jumbo started as a western project of dominion over the middle east that has turned in a catastrophe. of tyranny and injustice...if the project is not stopped, and the west stops playing with the lives of 6 million jews hired to do a dirty job

[mzkaddah]

of colonizing and dehumanizing the arabs to prevent them from unity...there is nothing that is going to stop that unity from happening and stop islam from rising..then it will be a real problem for them when we handle things in our hands becuase time for forgiveness will have passed, and they will reap what they saw. so if u really care for the israelis and their well being tell ur gov to stop using them as pawns, stop aid to israel...then they make come to some sense and realize the serious

[mzkaddah]

situation the zionists have put the isralis in...if that is not done soon. believe me it is going to be a catastrophe upon their heads. The world powers are shifting soon, and may be the news powers will have interests in eliminating the western projects in some areas of the world. Then PAY BACK will be a bitch...and let their nukes and our will speak then.

[warmperson2007]

In the century that followed the death of Mohammed 632, the arabs have conquered half of the world in the name of Allah. Millions of men were massacred, women forced into the harems of the Omayad princes, children enslaved, goods stolen...The reputation of the warriors of the desert was so terrifying that fortified cities, such as Jerusalem, surrendered without resistance. Islam threatened to submerge Europe.

I am Jewish and all I need is that little piece of land that I can call home again.

[mzkaddah]

babe..I never said that arabs were angel...I am an arab myself...some arabs in those conquests had islam in their minds and others were just people who ride the tides...and try to get some gains out of it, that was even in the days that muhammad was living..people are people..first I don't think you have proof for what u are saying history can always be twisted in people eyes..David can miraculeously turn into Golaith and vice versa if someones mind decided to take sides.

[mzkaddah]

REMEMBER BABE that arabs were nothing more or less than the romans, an empire that once rose, spread some views and died. In the context, they never ethnically cleansed natives of a land to replace them, yes they conquered, yes it was war but I dare u to proof that arabs displaced a nation by force, they only settled and change of populance came to land by their influnce and presence. U see, u have been colonizing that land for 60 years now and you have not realised yet that u can never

[mzkaddah]

gain in this game until hearts and minds are won..not to say that u started it drastically by an ethnic cleansing crime and now trying to figure out a way out of it. the only difference btwn u and the arabs that u quest was never for JUDASIM, in fact Judaism is innocet from ur actions, not a single immigrant from europe had the idea that he was going to conquer that land to spread Judaism among the araba , the main cause was to steal the land..However, many of the arabs in old conquests had

[mzkaddah]

islam in their minds and souls before land and greed..Yes as I said before their were those who rode the tide and made some gains and unfortunately in every nation those scum are likely to become leaders and sultans...but the cause of the arab conquest remains clear and that's why their foot steps were never erased after they were gone. I bet after israel is gone nobody will remember who was that pharoh that killed and subdued to gain land. man if u are a jew, JUDAISM SAYS THAT JUSTICE IS ABOVE

[mzkaddah]

U, even if some wrong was done in the past in the name of islam, U CAN't take that as an exculse on what u are doing now...two wrongs does not make a right...that's not to say that Judaism and islam are INNOCENT of those wrongs..remember Mr. warm and mark those words " a relegion is judged by its content, not by the actions of its followers"..othewise all jews in this world would have been in my Black List..

[mzkaddah]

I don't who the hell put in ur mind that a real democratic israel will be the end of a home for the jews...that's the stupidist thing that u ever think of in ur life, even me as a muslim if we win that land back, I will never accept to expel people who have already made their lifes into that land, were born into that hell, and had nothing to do with it except being born here...as I said two wrongs does not make a right..

[mzkaddah]

Jews used to live in Egypt for decades and they were in fact among the wealthy and most educated people in the state. People never looked at them negatively, in fact any negative view in the media at the time was actually influnced by the western media...a copycat of the hate machine in europe carried by the colonizers..indiginous Jews used to own jewelleries, fashion houses, and were among the elites..I don't mean that israel will be that to scare u, but I mean that muslims just want justice

[mzkaddah]

even under a secular state...that would treat them equaly with jews...power stuggles can always be limited and controled in a 50/50 secular country that no party overcomes the other. take lebanon as an example. the system their ensures that the christians never topples the muslims nor the muslims topple the christians, and lebanon is thriving and doing well...U don't have to live ur life as a tool of colonization in the hands on the west..yes the west will immidiately loose interest inshowering

[mzkaddah]

u with money and tech that u have decided not to play their game no more..but remember u will morally rise in the eyes of the arabs to the limit that A REAL SOLUTION can be put and held in place..and then not only israel will be for the jews and arabs, the whole land of arabs will be for the jews, grudges will fly as fumes in few years,,,trust me..ur government scares u of us and of ur future if u do the right thing..man in you do the right thing u will be victorious, we r people whoknow god too

[warmperson2007]

The right thing? If the Palestinian arabs would have accepted the UN partition plan of 1947 there would have been no trouble today; two states would be living peacefully side by side, co-operating on every aspect economically, culturally, and socially, and celebrating together every year their independence from British colonization. But they chose war instead. Responding to their desire to possess the whole territory and responding to the promises made of "throwing the Jews to the sea".

[mzkaddah]

does that make sense? they have every right to refuse the partition becuase the UN( an organization formed mainly of the countries (the same colonizing countries) which were victourious in WW2 to serve the purposed of those countries) and BTW still is a tool in the hands of the west...DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE SOMETHING IT DOES NOT OWN TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DESRVE..easy and simple...if time is reversed back to 1947 and I was a palestinain I would have refused,,.

[mzkaddah]

honey u r not our masters and we are your slaves, have to listen and obey..this is just shit in ur head..the war on israel was not because of its declairation, all the pals did back then was a strike for 3 days, no riots no violence, but that was not enough for the zionist machine, which wanted everything to appear as an act of retailation, but when the response was not so powerful to justify ETHNIC CLEASINGS...your rightous forefathers decided to

[mzkaddah]

carry on with the crime anyways...the cause (to have a state for a jewish state for a majority of jews) did justify the means (Ethnic cleansing)...so your rightous soldiers (the Haganah gangs back then) would go knock on palestinains doors in their homes and order them out, those who have resisted eviction were immidiately shot in place...other fled in fear of extermination, they never even had the time to collect their property...the Arabs war on israel came AFTER ETHNIC CLEANSING

[mzkaddah]

This is HOW real history went, not the history that is poured in your head from a shit propoaganda machine in israel and the west to try and demonize arabs although theywere the victims not the gladiators...Joesheph Goebelles once lead the nazi propoganda machine and one of his famous words "you can always spin a lie endlessly until it becomes the truth in the eyes of many people, even the nazi leaders themselves will start beleiving it is the truth"..that was to condition the germainconscience

[mzkaddah]

to what was happening to the jews at the time...and that is/was exactly what is haooening to you in israel now...they condition your conscience to accept tyranny and brutality..back then Goebbles told the Germains the jews and put in concentration camps becuase they deserve it, they brough that on their selves, and today your zionist governement tells u that the pals are seiged in the concentration camp "Gaza" and prevented fron their freedom and dignity because they deserved it.

[mzkaddah]

THEY BROUGHT THAT ON THEMSELVES..that's exactly what you told me:).......you see...you are repecting the same words of a nazi. like a parot without even making the little gery cells in your brains workout the meanings of your words,,,I can't beleive who can a person who had been a victim of a horific crime, repeat the same words of the criminal..Warm person, HITLER WON OVER THE JEWS,,,he took your souls down with him in the deepest pit of hell..Congratualtions :).

[starstuff]

Brilliant commentator.

[Johnabraytis]

This is one boring commie scum.

[dan1940210768]

Lets say it again...LOUD & CLEAR!!!...

ZIONISM = IDEOLOGICAL TERRORISM = STATE TERRORISM.

[mobillionblack]

we need the Q and A session.......

[buffyguy10]

Please post the questions..this worth nothing without it..

[yahoodie]

great speech. a shame the Q&A session wasn't posted, though.

[fairalways]

I am Jewish, have family who helped found Israel the experiment, was a member of a Jewish/Palestinian Zionist youth movement in the 70's...and I am ashamed, not at Israel's success, but at its failure...and I am growing to agree with Dr. Kovel. I hope people fully appreciate the desperation and hope injected into Israel's founding, and it's slow bleed into what now seems to be obvious failure.

[DelinquentFaith]

Very smart.

[fazzouzi]

what an incredible mind...