Thatcher introduced the "dole". here money for nothing.
Labour re-introduced JSA in the 90's, here money for seeking work.
Anything less is your own negativity, don't go pushing blame on to the people who actually do "work" while you sit there in your office counting the birds flying in to your window and thinking you are Dr. Evil because of it.
I think you will find that taxpayers complain while sitting in their office chair, try picking your geek ass up and doing some REAL work. Labour promotes REAL work.
it was hardly encouragement.."new deal" worked for a lot of "people", you know.. not paper but people; getting people who were unemployed and youth in to training and might i add, more training than conservatives before. Thatcher fucked this country, watch the unemployment rise then tell the people who are making "paper"
He asked them to name a country in Europe that supported it, not necessarily a member of the European Union. So Norway isn't as ridiculous an answer as made out.
@extrusve Listen to the beginning of the clip. He's talking about the Treaty of Rome, which defines the function of the EU, and uses 'Europe' to refer to the EU.
Here another comparison your not looking at how many banks did iceland bail from the recession OR putting it more correctly how much tax money went to failed banks in iceland vs how much of uk money was borrowed and poured into failed uk banks 4-5 maybe? thats 1 icelandic bank failed (lol btw uk pension money went poof) so u tell me who has bigger issues and therefore give respect where it is due.
@tdp1909 BTW iceland after the recession has put in a formal application to join EU-Switzerland is a tax haven so it has a niche and with 8 million as countries population which is 3/4 of london why would u even think to compare populations to uk 62million . Income distribution is a lot more erratic 62 million mouths to feed to 8 million. As for dear Norway who have a sustained national income in demand consider themselves lucky, for how long who knows? Russia is the gas giant not Norway...
@benjaminjean1984 Russia controls the price of gas so Norway's income vastly depends on energy prices. Norways population is 5 million again how can u compare income per capita to uk which has 62 million? How has the UK addressed this it's gone Tory/lib dem so those elites only get richer leaving gap between rich and poor even bigger and gives u figures like that.
@benjaminjean1984 Switzerland is a Tax haven?? No it isn't - it's a sovereign state. Tax havens tend to be small countries or islands which are subsidised by other states to keep their taxes low (e.g. Liechtenstein or Channel Islands).
Population statistics don't invalidate a good economic model - there is no reason why a large country such as ourselves should not be outside of the E.U. - It was our 'Splendid isolation' which made us (and places like Holland) top dogs in the first place...
@tdp1909 Most economic commentators suggest that the first "true" tax haven was Switzerland, followed closely by Liechtenstein. However i was referring to swiss past it has changed but its past lay'd those foundations for it to be where it is today. As for isolation Britain of any nation is not isolated with the commonwealth and now the EU commonwealth it never really was alone.
@tdp1909 Luxembourg, by head, is the wealthiest country in the world...and they are a member of the EU.GDP per head has nothing to do with membership of the EU. And actually a poll in norway has shown the majority of people in norway want to join the EU....it's just our extremely bias media that exaggerates things.
GDP per head should be the central focus as it is primarily an economic union. What else is it? It certainly took the wrong lesson from the war in being so anti-democratic.
And going back to Norway, you say "a poll", but Norway rejected EU membership in 1994 & most polls since then show they still do, some by as much as 2/3. Why would this be if the EU were such a boon?
@tdp1909 what i don't understand is how do u expect an economic model of union between nations to work if political power is not harnessed collectively? So be apart of the EU for economic reasons but everything political we will keep in whitehall. Sounds to good to be true don't you think. A lot of bigger questions like climate change, organised crime, terrorism need the EU to work together and i think a lot of those powers have moved.
@tdp1909 yeah sorry, you are right about qatar, but i study economics and GDP per head has literally nothing to do with being a member of the european union, except for the fact that over all within the eu GDP per capita, minus inflation, has increased. Plus the european union is our most important trading partner.
@EuropeanBrit And the rest of the world rely on similar style monetary and political unions to trade? The EU is just taking advantage of the free market, and milking the prosperous west in order to support Eastern Europe's false economy.
@tdp1909 Exactly. People use the old UK referendum as an example, but the EU has changed radically from a simple trade agreement to a bureaucratic and inefficient waste of time.
@bronzerevolution1 Coming from somebody that I can almost guarantee has never sat down and spent even five minutes actually studying the workings of the EU.
Norway has the sort of relationship with the EU that we should have. Membership of the European Free Trade Association.
We should be offering the EU an ultimatum - either scale down and abolish the top-down, micromanaged, bureaucratic, socialist, undemocratic nonsense, or we, the UK, the 2nd biggest funder of this godforsaken mess, will withdraw.
Ok. Withdraw. The economy will be hit very hard, the joblessness and collapse of the pound will be far more unpopular than european membership could ever be, the government that puts it through will be voted out, another will get in. Probobly one willing to take us back into europe, which will slow or fix the effects of the economic collapse cementing their popularity, and probobly making people like europe more. Or, you could try and reform it from within. Either works.
@sketchydc The collapse of the £? Joblessness? How many jobs do you think the British have in Brussels? Because surely those are the jobs to which you are intimating. And of COURSE the dole queue's in Switzerland and Norway are positively snaking round corners. Breadlines everywhere! Reforming it from within has not worked. Because we have created a monster of a bureaucracy that has more competencies today than ever. Your economic illiteracy is only outdone by your political naivety. Congrats.
The european union provides most of our trade. We would lose jobs from leaving it.
The european union holds the largest holdings of the pound, if they sold it it would result in the collapse of the pound.
Switzerland and Norway have never been in the EU, and as such their economies are not geared toward trade within it. It is as if you were comparing a dairy farmer complaining about a cheese company, then bemoaning how the tobacco farmers do just fine without the cheese company.
@MrGilles1990 we would lose the competitiveness to other european countries within the EU who would not be paying the necessary charges to have goods transferred between controlled trade areas. I would not buy anything more expensive simply because its made in the uk if i could get it cheaper from zee germans. :S
@Maino88 Also, note how your response consists of repetition rhetoric, rhetorical questions, a logical fallacy, an unsubstantiated claim (Reform has not worked), yet more rhetoric, and then two ad hominem attacks. There is no semblence of an arguement in your response, nor of intelligent discourse.
@sketchydc Well to be fair to me it's Youtube is hardly the place for detailed economic debate. Leaving the EU will undoubtedly cause problems in the short term, and I wouldn't want that to happen. I want the EU to revert back to its status as a Free Trade Area. But even if this was not to happen and we totally withdrew, the British economy would adjust, our agricultural sector would be much more competitive. British financial services would not be facing the shackles coming from Brussels...
@sketchydc ...but to argue that the economies of Norway and Switzerland are not geared towards trade within it, is fallacious. They are already WITHIN the free trade area. Norway is in the EEA. I mean...this is basic stuff. It is nothing like your cheese/tobacco example. The European Union is a gigantic, bureaucratic, top-down, federalist entity that is costing its members FAR too much money. We were asked in 1975 whether we wanted to be part of a common market, NOT a European Superstate...
@sketchydc ...with a Foreign Service, Police force, supremacy over various aspects of UK law, a Commission with right of initiation pushing us further towards federalism. We're spending billions and billions a year providing eurocrats a job deliberating on how they undermine our national parliaments and betray the principles of subsidiarity. No-one agreed to this. Parliament is the custodian of our liberties, and successive govts have given them away without consultation.
@sketchydc Oh and by the way, don't insult my intelligence and then spell argument "arguement". And reform clearly has not worked, as the EU continues to become this illiberal, undemocratic monster. When was the last time the EU's own auditors signed off on the EU budget? 14 years ago.
That reform you're on about is clearly working like a charm.
I thought for a sec he was re-iterating there would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treay. But wrong of course; there was no referendum (which would have been defeated) as Labour originally promised. But he didn't.
Maybe pre-occupied with dreaming of WMD in Iraq (while ignoring Iran and Israel for same). Maybe dreaming of his well-paid future days fronting the "Quartet", which must be musical because diplomatically it's been a flop. EU sucked UK in. Loss of sovereignty resulted. Bush poodle.
the person who shouted norway was saying that norway is strong and independent of the EU and does not have to give billions of pounds to this undemocratic union for nothing in return.
Blair was the master at this kind of thing, getting across the Labour message someone Brown doesnt have the charisma to do. Only over the next few yrs when the Tories mess up the nhs and our schools will people start to realise what labour did for the country.
@thehindugod I couldn't agree more. Blair was the master orator, it didn't matter whether he was right, or whether he was wrong. If there was a debate with him in it, he would win it. That's probably the thing I miss most about having Tony as our prime minister (not that there are a lot of things I miss about him), is having a leader that was a truly spectacular speaker. Gordon and David just didn't, and don't cut it in that way.
Who cares if it was planned i'd take Labour over tories any day, Conservative's are self serving leeches that suck off the poor and feed the rich. Makes me sick that so many british citizens were blinded by conservative mass media enticing them to vote for them. Just watch the economy crash now.
@dezboss My god, forgot how the conservatives under Tatcher ruined the social standards? Because of her, 27% of all children born in Britain was born in poverty. Labour had a hell of a job to do.
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Please be kind enough to do your own research and study history. And remember authority is not truth, truth is authority.
I have posted this information for the family's and loved ones affected by September 11th false flag attack on world trade center 1,2 and 7. Also this is for all the hundreds of thousands of family's and love ones affected since to this day.
Please be kind enough to do your own research and study history. And remember authority is not truth, truth is authority.
Funny how all of the idiots posting on here seem so easily convinced by all this. Even over headphones you can't hear anyone say 'Norway' so these people commenting must have amazing hearing. Notice how Blair quickly entices them to name a country because he's already planned his Norway idea. There's too much ambience so he could easily have just acted like somebody said it just for a few cheap laughs. Truly the biggest scum in British history.
@Yownanymous Well it's Blair who is being paid £1 million a year by Goldman Sachs investment Bank, probably as a pay off for selling all our gold reserves at rock botton price.
@erestun No, they started selling off the gold reserves in 1999 and Blair was fist lord of the treasury as well as PM so ultimately he was responsable for it even though Brown was chancellor.
@Massey755 Rumour has it that no-one did. Perhaps Blair thought he heard something amidst the shouting, or maybe he jad planned the line all along to try and make the Tories look bad. Who knows, funny Commons moment though.
You must already be aware of the important constitutuional role that the Queen plays and her centrality in the life of our nation, so Iam naturally assuming that your comments are in jest. Without the Monarch we would just have politicians, and nobody believes in them anymore. They have no function. We have a Labour govt who will not withdraw from Iraq and Tories who will not promise to withdraw from the E.U. They are pointless.
Then I look at my town, a far better place thanks to Blair, and I think - fuck the national press reading, bullshit swilling, city-dwelling masses - look at the change that is physical. Labour pumped cash into my dying railway town and made it a far better place. That is a concrete fact and I know, because I've literally lived it. We would get nothing up here from monarchs or Tories - call me a fool for believing politics, but I'm Labour till I die. Everything good for all has come from them.
I notice that your post is three hours old. It is now 5.30 am. Therefore you must have come in completely out of it on drink or drugs from the local nightclub at about 2.00am. This helps explain your bizarre post.
It would be great if we could be first in 2010 general. The two major parties are the same.They have given away sovereignty which was not theirs to give. It is time the Queen intervened.
Also, even if your parliamentary debates are loaded with rhetorical flourishes and are mere political theatre, they are at the very least amusing and often hilarious. Have you ever watched a "debate" in the Senate? They are utterly boring; in any event, any debates at this level are never debates. They are a chance to throw in some attacks and spin some talking points. The real debates are always behind closed doors.
To the English gentlemen who commends America for rebuilding Europe after the second World War: You would be wise to realize it is quite faulty logic to justify an evil action today by appealing to past good deeds. As an American, I am confident that the eight years of the Bush administration will go down in history as some of the darkest in our history and nothing that happened under the Truman administration or the Washington administration will change ever change that.
This is bullshit. I doubt anyone said anything. Blair manipulated a situation asking for a name knowing that he could make them look like retards saying a country that isn't in th E.U.
Yes indeed. As an Englishman, I am proud to be a staunch Atlantacist. I despise the self appointed left wing intellectuals who believe it is hip and trendy to criticise the United States. However, it is America that rebuilt Europe after WW2, for which we should be eternally grateful. America isn't perfect, but what country is? America should be extremely proud of its role in establishing the 2nd democracy in the Middle East after Israel... Iraq.
America should be extremely proud of protecting the State of Israel from the fundamentalist Arab Muslims who have committed themselves to ''driving the Jews into the ocean.'' The Jewish people, who were driven out of Israel 2000 years ago by a fascistic Roman dictator finally returned home in 2008 and America has rightly protected them. The world should be grateful to America for being a beacon of individual and economic freedom and conservatism (though I don't know your ideology).
Returned home in 2008? You don't mean 1948? The State of Israel is the upshot of the British Mandate of Palestine which was granted by the League of Nations after the Treaty of Versailles, and finished in 1948. Between those two periods the British premiership flooded the region with Jews who were returning to Israel after the diaspora. Israel as a nation was created in 1948.
you moron! simply stating Facts! I remember the days when the Thatcher government wouldn't clean the walls of schools and hospitals above 6foot. so go fuck yourself, you ignorant prick.
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this made me laugh BUT blair asked 'name another country in Europe' - Norway IS in Europe just not part of the EU. So, to say Norway WAS technically correct
to be honest mate your mincing his words. he meant the eu, everyone knew he meant the eu the tories got decked.
blair was dishonest but so is every other politician, the truthful ones get slated and sidelined because the public doesn;t want to hear the truth.
also, the EU is an overall possitive force. you can bleat out dailymail bullshit about beurocracy and corruption all you want but the media is just as bad if not worse than politicians and party's
Yes I studied European Union Studies at University but thank you for reiterating what I already know full well with regards to member states.
When people use the term "In Europe" in a political context and from a British perspective, they are more often than not referring to the European Union.
you sound to everyone as if you don't know what your talking about. It's common practise to mean the EU when saying 'Europe' in a political environment. Also, it wasn't a cheap shot, it would be worrying if Blair didn't say what he did and far 'cheaper' shots have been made, but that is what British political debate is about.
This Blair!He could deabate very well!Amazing stuff.Cameron shred Brown to pieces in one u tube video but Blair shed Cameron to pieces in another video.But I still wanna lynch him for what he did to Britian.He made Britian america's poodle!!!!Fuckin Bastard just arguing good talk ins't gonna help!!
at least blair had some common sense, tories dont know their right from left...
norway haha come on please these people are meant to be challenging the job of country leadership the least they can do is read into basic EU Membership policies!
Two illegal wars, 1.3 million dead, 5 million orphaned children, destruction of our rights and civil liberties, student fees outpricing the poor of a decent education, a fall in the number of NHS beds, an MOD arming despots and militias across the world, death of Dr David Kelly, mass closure of science depts in universities, youth centres and libraries.
Blair will be charged for war crimes, it's only a matter of time.
Weird to think that both Blair and Thatcher, convincing winners of 3 elections each, were ousted by their own party, not the electorate... Thatcher would most probably have beaten that fool Kinnock in 1992 (even John Major got 14 million votes against him), and Blair would probably beat David 'the-other-leaders-are-so-crap-that-he's-the-best-option' Cameron. Without their own parties chucking them out, the weak opposition meant that Blair and Thatch could have had 20 years each, what a thought!
I liked Tony Blair. The only thing i can really disagree with him on is Iraq. But still the worst thing that happened to blair was that twat George W Bush. Apart from that I still support Tony.
in some ways yes..... but not on europe.... not on tax..... not on id cards.... and many many other things...... yes blair subscribes to a lot of thatcherism..... thatcher does not subscribe to blairism
fair point i suppose.... but dont pretend labour are any better on europe.... we have had a pro europ labour govt for more than 10 years..... do we have a single currency which blair put 5 years of time in trying to do? no.... do we have a referendum which he promised several times? no. would gordon brown sign up to it? no...... now thats not because they dont want to..... its because the view in the country is slightly eurosceptic.... just like the tory party.....
Still, at least they promised a referendum and haven't taken us into the single currency. Think about another 5 years of Major and Clarke! We'd already have the Euro by now as Clarke said he would have joined from the start and he doesn't believe in referendums. On the same basis he'd have presumably just signed up to the constitution, come what May. So yes, New Labour are pro-EU but they've never quite reached the same level of EU Fanaticism as seen with Clarke, Heseltine, Major etc.
no im not so sure.... they were very pro euro when they were new to power..... over time they realised that the single currency was not possible to win a referendum.... then they fell out with europe a few times...... tony blair once said that joining the euro was going to b his legacy
Tony Blair has his greatest moment as Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party of England. He was a great debater, if not a very principled person.
I'd rather have some one like Blair in charge than those pompous torys anyway.
How could you vote for David Cameron! Just take two looks at him does he look like some one who represents the normal British citizen, or someone who represents the Eaton elite?
Blair spent years trying to get us out of the E.U. labour even put him in charge of a committee to organise for our withdrawal from the E.U. and he would like us all to forget about that and pretend he was always a "proud european citizen" as he calls himself. Blair is the fool in this no none else.
Surprise, surprise... Tories acting like spoilt little private school brats in the Commons and showing they have no understanding of the very issue they want to debate.
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Interesting that Tiny Blur backed by his braying asses can not differentiate between Europe and the EUropean Union! Perhaps that goes some way to explaining why he was such a catastrophe on so many counts & a proven liar responsible for both war crimes and crimes against humanity. No prime minister has done such irrevocable harm since the war save the bag of lard destroyed our democracy by telling lies in Parliament to dupe us into the EU originally. Blair additionally has destroyed our economy
bwfc1000 I can not disagree but can you name a British politician who has EVER taken these United Kingdoms to war based on lies made to Parliament, the peoples and the Monarch - who lied about the enemy, lied to our alies, lied to the military published a 12 year old PhD paper downloaded from a foreign University web site as British intelligence colluded with his Cabinet colleaugues to perpetuate the lies, lies to the UN and then committed crimes against humanity & war crimes based on lies?
haha, NORWAY! what idiot suffering from 'post imperial stress disorder' said Norway?
dom86juve 1 week ago
Whoever shouted "Norway" was correct. Blair's question was "name one other country in Europe that supports it"...
Norway is in Europe (but not the European Union...but that wasn't Blair's question).
But anyway, Blair did a good job making whoever it was look silly, albeit without genuine cause.
motherlesschild100 3 weeks ago
Norway!
Taporeee 2 months ago
Who the fuck shouted Norway?
ShowPolitics 2 months ago 3
I dont support Labour, but that was pretty massive ownage
soldoutrules 4 months ago 4
@RichardElden
Thatcher introduced the "dole". here money for nothing.
Labour re-introduced JSA in the 90's, here money for seeking work.
Anything less is your own negativity, don't go pushing blame on to the people who actually do "work" while you sit there in your office counting the birds flying in to your window and thinking you are Dr. Evil because of it.
Like the short ass with napolean syndrome.
Kai2oo6remix 4 months ago
@RichardElden
Labour - For the People
Conservatives - For the Paper
I think you will find that taxpayers complain while sitting in their office chair, try picking your geek ass up and doing some REAL work. Labour promotes REAL work.
Kai2oo6remix 4 months ago
@RichardElden
it was hardly encouragement.."new deal" worked for a lot of "people", you know.. not paper but people; getting people who were unemployed and youth in to training and might i add, more training than conservatives before. Thatcher fucked this country, watch the unemployment rise then tell the people who are making "paper"
Kai2oo6remix 4 months ago
cliché
Cameron is doing worse for a country that already had a high level of unemployment and is close to having the highest crime rate in the world.
Time to build a barrier around London eh, because conservatives don't give two shits about what is outside of the box.. US is a fine example.
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donhonki1 8 months ago
Referendum!!
Theaverable 8 months ago
He asked them to name a country in Europe that supported it, not necessarily a member of the European Union. So Norway isn't as ridiculous an answer as made out.
extrusve 9 months ago
@extrusve Listen to the beginning of the clip. He's talking about the Treaty of Rome, which defines the function of the EU, and uses 'Europe' to refer to the EU.
dpy4 8 months ago
What a brilliant man to lead Britain into the 21st century; young, intelligent, bright. Wouldn't of wished to have anyone else.
Intel1250 9 months ago
@Intel1250 You're not Iraqi or Afghani then
Stangelycoloured 7 months ago
Whatever Blair you murderer. May the blood of our soldiers and innocents in your wars remain forever on your hands.
challister 9 months ago
trouble is with europe were getting f--ck all
but we are handing millions out to the mickey mouse countries in it
who cant run an economy
balls to the EMU and u blair
SuperBoogley 10 months ago
LOL
NeoDaReaper 1 year ago 2
Here another comparison your not looking at how many banks did iceland bail from the recession OR putting it more correctly how much tax money went to failed banks in iceland vs how much of uk money was borrowed and poured into failed uk banks 4-5 maybe? thats 1 icelandic bank failed (lol btw uk pension money went poof) so u tell me who has bigger issues and therefore give respect where it is due.
benjaminjean1984 1 year ago
bLAIR deserves the same fate as Charles the first.
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
Norway has rejected the EU though, as has Iceland & Switzerland.
All three of them are twice as rich per head as the UK.
Coincidence? I think not.
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 BTW iceland after the recession has put in a formal application to join EU-Switzerland is a tax haven so it has a niche and with 8 million as countries population which is 3/4 of london why would u even think to compare populations to uk 62million . Income distribution is a lot more erratic 62 million mouths to feed to 8 million. As for dear Norway who have a sustained national income in demand consider themselves lucky, for how long who knows? Russia is the gas giant not Norway...
benjaminjean1984 1 year ago
@benjaminjean1984 Russia controls the price of gas so Norway's income vastly depends on energy prices. Norways population is 5 million again how can u compare income per capita to uk which has 62 million? How has the UK addressed this it's gone Tory/lib dem so those elites only get richer leaving gap between rich and poor even bigger and gives u figures like that.
benjaminjean1984 1 year ago
@benjaminjean1984 Switzerland is a Tax haven?? No it isn't - it's a sovereign state. Tax havens tend to be small countries or islands which are subsidised by other states to keep their taxes low (e.g. Liechtenstein or Channel Islands).
Population statistics don't invalidate a good economic model - there is no reason why a large country such as ourselves should not be outside of the E.U. - It was our 'Splendid isolation' which made us (and places like Holland) top dogs in the first place...
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 Most economic commentators suggest that the first "true" tax haven was Switzerland, followed closely by Liechtenstein. However i was referring to swiss past it has changed but its past lay'd those foundations for it to be where it is today. As for isolation Britain of any nation is not isolated with the commonwealth and now the EU commonwealth it never really was alone.
benjaminjean1984 1 year ago
@tdp1909 Luxembourg, by head, is the wealthiest country in the world...and they are a member of the EU.GDP per head has nothing to do with membership of the EU. And actually a poll in norway has shown the majority of people in norway want to join the EU....it's just our extremely bias media that exaggerates things.
EuropeanBrit 1 year ago
@EuropeanBrit Actually, Qatar is wealthiest :-p.
GDP per head should be the central focus as it is primarily an economic union. What else is it? It certainly took the wrong lesson from the war in being so anti-democratic.
And going back to Norway, you say "a poll", but Norway rejected EU membership in 1994 & most polls since then show they still do, some by as much as 2/3. Why would this be if the EU were such a boon?
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 what i don't understand is how do u expect an economic model of union between nations to work if political power is not harnessed collectively? So be apart of the EU for economic reasons but everything political we will keep in whitehall. Sounds to good to be true don't you think. A lot of bigger questions like climate change, organised crime, terrorism need the EU to work together and i think a lot of those powers have moved.
benjaminjean1984 1 year ago
@tdp1909 yeah sorry, you are right about qatar, but i study economics and GDP per head has literally nothing to do with being a member of the european union, except for the fact that over all within the eu GDP per capita, minus inflation, has increased. Plus the european union is our most important trading partner.
EuropeanBrit 1 year ago 4
@EuropeanBrit And the rest of the world rely on similar style monetary and political unions to trade? The EU is just taking advantage of the free market, and milking the prosperous west in order to support Eastern Europe's false economy.
bronzerevolution1 9 months ago
@tdp1909 Exactly. People use the old UK referendum as an example, but the EU has changed radically from a simple trade agreement to a bureaucratic and inefficient waste of time.
bronzerevolution1 9 months ago
@bronzerevolution1 Coming from somebody that I can almost guarantee has never sat down and spent even five minutes actually studying the workings of the EU.
ubernaffa 5 months ago in playlist Liked
Norway has the sort of relationship with the EU that we should have. Membership of the European Free Trade Association.
We should be offering the EU an ultimatum - either scale down and abolish the top-down, micromanaged, bureaucratic, socialist, undemocratic nonsense, or we, the UK, the 2nd biggest funder of this godforsaken mess, will withdraw.
Maino88 1 year ago
@Maino88
Ok. Withdraw. The economy will be hit very hard, the joblessness and collapse of the pound will be far more unpopular than european membership could ever be, the government that puts it through will be voted out, another will get in. Probobly one willing to take us back into europe, which will slow or fix the effects of the economic collapse cementing their popularity, and probobly making people like europe more. Or, you could try and reform it from within. Either works.
sketchydc 1 year ago
@sketchydc The collapse of the £? Joblessness? How many jobs do you think the British have in Brussels? Because surely those are the jobs to which you are intimating. And of COURSE the dole queue's in Switzerland and Norway are positively snaking round corners. Breadlines everywhere! Reforming it from within has not worked. Because we have created a monster of a bureaucracy that has more competencies today than ever. Your economic illiteracy is only outdone by your political naivety. Congrats.
Maino88 1 year ago
@Maino88
The european union provides most of our trade. We would lose jobs from leaving it.
The european union holds the largest holdings of the pound, if they sold it it would result in the collapse of the pound.
Switzerland and Norway have never been in the EU, and as such their economies are not geared toward trade within it. It is as if you were comparing a dairy farmer complaining about a cheese company, then bemoaning how the tobacco farmers do just fine without the cheese company.
sketchydc 1 year ago
@sketchydc who says we would lose trade by leaving it?
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@MrGilles1990 we would lose the competitiveness to other european countries within the EU who would not be paying the necessary charges to have goods transferred between controlled trade areas. I would not buy anything more expensive simply because its made in the uk if i could get it cheaper from zee germans. :S
benjaminjean1984 1 year ago
@benjaminjean1984 nothing is more valuable than democracy ;)
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@Maino88 Also, note how your response consists of repetition rhetoric, rhetorical questions, a logical fallacy, an unsubstantiated claim (Reform has not worked), yet more rhetoric, and then two ad hominem attacks. There is no semblence of an arguement in your response, nor of intelligent discourse.
sketchydc 1 year ago
@sketchydc Well to be fair to me it's Youtube is hardly the place for detailed economic debate. Leaving the EU will undoubtedly cause problems in the short term, and I wouldn't want that to happen. I want the EU to revert back to its status as a Free Trade Area. But even if this was not to happen and we totally withdrew, the British economy would adjust, our agricultural sector would be much more competitive. British financial services would not be facing the shackles coming from Brussels...
Maino88 1 year ago
@sketchydc ...but to argue that the economies of Norway and Switzerland are not geared towards trade within it, is fallacious. They are already WITHIN the free trade area. Norway is in the EEA. I mean...this is basic stuff. It is nothing like your cheese/tobacco example. The European Union is a gigantic, bureaucratic, top-down, federalist entity that is costing its members FAR too much money. We were asked in 1975 whether we wanted to be part of a common market, NOT a European Superstate...
Maino88 1 year ago
@sketchydc ...with a Foreign Service, Police force, supremacy over various aspects of UK law, a Commission with right of initiation pushing us further towards federalism. We're spending billions and billions a year providing eurocrats a job deliberating on how they undermine our national parliaments and betray the principles of subsidiarity. No-one agreed to this. Parliament is the custodian of our liberties, and successive govts have given them away without consultation.
Maino88 1 year ago
@sketchydc Oh and by the way, don't insult my intelligence and then spell argument "arguement". And reform clearly has not worked, as the EU continues to become this illiberal, undemocratic monster. When was the last time the EU's own auditors signed off on the EU budget? 14 years ago.
That reform you're on about is clearly working like a charm.
Maino88 1 year ago
I thought for a sec he was re-iterating there would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treay. But wrong of course; there was no referendum (which would have been defeated) as Labour originally promised. But he didn't.
Maybe pre-occupied with dreaming of WMD in Iraq (while ignoring Iran and Israel for same). Maybe dreaming of his well-paid future days fronting the "Quartet", which must be musical because diplomatically it's been a flop. EU sucked UK in. Loss of sovereignty resulted. Bush poodle.
trevorx1960 1 year ago
the person who shouted norway was saying that norway is strong and independent of the EU and does not have to give billions of pounds to this undemocratic union for nothing in return.
NumberDne 1 year ago
@NumberDne No... he wasn't
hardieross 1 year ago
Whoever shouted Norway achieved pure Epic Fail there.
Total Pwnage from Blair
nufcdazzla 1 year ago
@19189073 No I mean the Torys
CASPER10666 1 year ago
Blair was the master at this kind of thing, getting across the Labour message someone Brown doesnt have the charisma to do. Only over the next few yrs when the Tories mess up the nhs and our schools will people start to realise what labour did for the country.
thehindugod 1 year ago 8
@thehindugod I couldn't agree more. Blair was the master orator, it didn't matter whether he was right, or whether he was wrong. If there was a debate with him in it, he would win it. That's probably the thing I miss most about having Tony as our prime minister (not that there are a lot of things I miss about him), is having a leader that was a truly spectacular speaker. Gordon and David just didn't, and don't cut it in that way.
ubernaffa 1 year ago
@thehindugod So who do you think will win the Labour leadership?
kayman92 1 year ago
@kayman92 David Milliband..the right choice!!
thehindugod 1 year ago
phony tony good at speech good at promis but cannot deliver he had us all over
tomato6999 1 year ago
glad he's gone wish he'd never been in-this country was better 15yrs ago
pazzerhead 1 year ago
@pazzerhead better 15 years ago?! I bet you're only 15 years old
TheDefunktPistol 1 year ago
Well done Tony......you walked all over them.
CASPER10666 1 year ago
sooo good
tbish09 1 year ago
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tbish09 1 year ago
FUCK BLAIR...wanker..sold this country out ..
SpeedTriple59 1 year ago
i never heard clearly the word norway, but damnn he was so wrong
weatherallc05 1 year ago
FLAWLESS VICTORY!
H4554nX0rZ 1 year ago
Fatality!
KINGIBYM 1 year ago
@KINGIBYM haha !
obnoxiousbastard 1 year ago
whoever shouted norway is a bell end lol
whomodboy 1 year ago
michael howard shouted norway
shackle5 1 year ago
Who cares if it was planned i'd take Labour over tories any day, Conservative's are self serving leeches that suck off the poor and feed the rich. Makes me sick that so many british citizens were blinded by conservative mass media enticing them to vote for them. Just watch the economy crash now.
Mirishikari 1 year ago 3
@Mirishikari The economy couldn't get any lower than Labour have dragged it down.
dezboss 1 year ago
@dezboss My god, forgot how the conservatives under Tatcher ruined the social standards? Because of her, 27% of all children born in Britain was born in poverty. Labour had a hell of a job to do.
Gardash111 1 year ago
norway been wiped out germans
chocmankev 1 year ago
Norway not in the EU.... No thats true, ...... They weren't that daft
taffy402 1 year ago
he shoots he scores!
weatherallc05 1 year ago
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MaSteRKuSH010 1 year ago
@MaSteRKuSH010 what the 4k are you talking about
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MaSteRKuSH010 1 year ago
If someone shouted "Norway" it would be in Hansard. It isn't, so Blair lied to set up his planned "joke"
bismuthcadmium 1 year ago
Funny how all of the idiots posting on here seem so easily convinced by all this. Even over headphones you can't hear anyone say 'Norway' so these people commenting must have amazing hearing. Notice how Blair quickly entices them to name a country because he's already planned his Norway idea. There's too much ambience so he could easily have just acted like somebody said it just for a few cheap laughs. Truly the biggest scum in British history.
omsct 1 year ago
Obviously a tory front bencher who shouts out Norway from the angle of Blairs stare. Always enjoy a good laugh at the tories expense.
danreeves99 2 years ago
Even when the joker is a war criminal living off the oil fields of Kurdistan and speeches about peace in the middle east after causing war there.
omsct 1 year ago
spaccer.. why did he shout norway, he just totaly humiliated his own tory party
weatherallc05 2 years ago 15
Who the hell shouted Norway?
Massey755 2 years ago 84
@Massey755 blair obviously did his homework on the EU:)
weatherallc05 1 year ago
@Massey755 Just shows how out-of-touch the Tories are. Was probably distracted while having a talk with his city banking mates.
Yownanymous 1 year ago
@Yownanymous Well it's Blair who is being paid £1 million a year by Goldman Sachs investment Bank, probably as a pay off for selling all our gold reserves at rock botton price.
aeronuk1 1 year ago
@aeronuk1 That wasn't Blair that was Brown, Tony was already gone by then
erestun 1 year ago
@erestun No, they started selling off the gold reserves in 1999 and Blair was fist lord of the treasury as well as PM so ultimately he was responsable for it even though Brown was chancellor.
aeronuk1 1 year ago
@Massey755 Rumour has it that no-one did. Perhaps Blair thought he heard something amidst the shouting, or maybe he jad planned the line all along to try and make the Tories look bad. Who knows, funny Commons moment though.
Tuneman1984 1 year ago
The Labour-loved European Union is spiralling into debt, with mammoth fraud and incompetence trashing the EU inside and out.
But that won't stop EU penpushers holding member states to ransom by taking them to court to snatch their multi-million Pound wage claims!
Paste title into the bar: EPIDEMIC EU FRAUD AND DEBT NO BARRIER TO EUROCRAT WAGE CLAIMS!
TheDustpile 2 years ago
You must already be aware of the important constitutuional role that the Queen plays and her centrality in the life of our nation, so Iam naturally assuming that your comments are in jest. Without the Monarch we would just have politicians, and nobody believes in them anymore. They have no function. We have a Labour govt who will not withdraw from Iraq and Tories who will not promise to withdraw from the E.U. They are pointless.
britishfirstandlast 2 years ago
Then I look at my town, a far better place thanks to Blair, and I think - fuck the national press reading, bullshit swilling, city-dwelling masses - look at the change that is physical. Labour pumped cash into my dying railway town and made it a far better place. That is a concrete fact and I know, because I've literally lived it. We would get nothing up here from monarchs or Tories - call me a fool for believing politics, but I'm Labour till I die. Everything good for all has come from them.
fookziz 2 years ago 5
I notice that your post is three hours old. It is now 5.30 am. Therefore you must have come in completely out of it on drink or drugs from the local nightclub at about 2.00am. This helps explain your bizarre post.
britishfirstandlast 2 years ago
3rd in 2005, 2nd in 2009, 1st in 2014.
It would be great if we could be first in 2010 general. The two major parties are the same.They have given away sovereignty which was not theirs to give. It is time the Queen intervened.
britishfirstandlast 2 years ago
Ah, the theatrics of politics, all empty suits, one and all.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Also, even if your parliamentary debates are loaded with rhetorical flourishes and are mere political theatre, they are at the very least amusing and often hilarious. Have you ever watched a "debate" in the Senate? They are utterly boring; in any event, any debates at this level are never debates. They are a chance to throw in some attacks and spin some talking points. The real debates are always behind closed doors.
pickpoche 2 years ago 2
To the English gentlemen who commends America for rebuilding Europe after the second World War: You would be wise to realize it is quite faulty logic to justify an evil action today by appealing to past good deeds. As an American, I am confident that the eight years of the Bush administration will go down in history as some of the darkest in our history and nothing that happened under the Truman administration or the Washington administration will change ever change that.
pickpoche 2 years ago 7
Hear hear!
Tashadragon 2 years ago
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Compulsive and destructive liar. VOTE U.K.I.P. NIKKI SINCLAIR FOR NO 10.
britishfirstandlast 2 years ago
Really the public is to blame for trusting politicians so blindly.
Speegs23 2 years ago
This is bullshit. I doubt anyone said anything. Blair manipulated a situation asking for a name knowing that he could make them look like retards saying a country that isn't in th E.U.
omsct 2 years ago
Complete traitor.
God knows what is in store for us living under the Soviet European Republic.
antonjon1 2 years ago
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God bless America.
epicdeuce 2 years ago
Yes indeed. As an Englishman, I am proud to be a staunch Atlantacist. I despise the self appointed left wing intellectuals who believe it is hip and trendy to criticise the United States. However, it is America that rebuilt Europe after WW2, for which we should be eternally grateful. America isn't perfect, but what country is? America should be extremely proud of its role in establishing the 2nd democracy in the Middle East after Israel... Iraq.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
America should be extremely proud of protecting the State of Israel from the fundamentalist Arab Muslims who have committed themselves to ''driving the Jews into the ocean.'' The Jewish people, who were driven out of Israel 2000 years ago by a fascistic Roman dictator finally returned home in 2008 and America has rightly protected them. The world should be grateful to America for being a beacon of individual and economic freedom and conservatism (though I don't know your ideology).
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Returned home in 2008? You don't mean 1948? The State of Israel is the upshot of the British Mandate of Palestine which was granted by the League of Nations after the Treaty of Versailles, and finished in 1948. Between those two periods the British premiership flooded the region with Jews who were returning to Israel after the diaspora. Israel as a nation was created in 1948.
omsct 2 years ago
It's a pity that our current leader doesn't have an ounce of that skill in speaking, although a policy I liked from either would be much preferred!
strakha0 2 years ago
Blair pwned the Tories there
johannes14 2 years ago 76
To be fair, at the time it wasn't hard. It was an open goal.
randomjrr1422 2 years ago
Fucking " Thatcherite" cunt!
121BassTime 2 years ago
you moron! simply stating Facts! I remember the days when the Thatcher government wouldn't clean the walls of schools and hospitals above 6foot. so go fuck yourself, you ignorant prick.
mackthesam 2 years ago
Thick shit
121BassTime 2 years ago
i luv that - i'm the 'thick shit' and you reply with that calibre of insult. anyway have fun in the political doldrums. idiot.
mackthesam 2 years ago
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this made me laugh BUT blair asked 'name another country in Europe' - Norway IS in Europe just not part of the EU. So, to say Norway WAS technically correct
mackthesam 2 years ago
he said name another country in europe that supports it,
meaning name another country in the eu
Allonby1993 2 years ago
Technically with the wording he put on the question Norway was correct, however it was obvious that Blair meant the EU.
Erech01 2 years ago
No, Norway wasn't correct then, as only fully ratified members of the European Union are a party to The Treaty of Rome.
MUSCLESRAMON 2 years ago
owned
LTJMERCHMAN 2 years ago 3
to be honest mate your mincing his words. he meant the eu, everyone knew he meant the eu the tories got decked.
blair was dishonest but so is every other politician, the truthful ones get slated and sidelined because the public doesn;t want to hear the truth.
also, the EU is an overall possitive force. you can bleat out dailymail bullshit about beurocracy and corruption all you want but the media is just as bad if not worse than politicians and party's
briggsyNF 2 years ago
Blair wasn't specific enough.
Norway IS in Europe. But they had the good sense to stay out of the EU. :)
Front bench Tory 1
Blair Nil
Sorry, Tone.
noeuro 2 years ago
He did say name one European country rather than EU country you're right. but it was still pretty funny.
flymogram 2 years ago
"In Europe" refers to the European Union...
AndrewUK1987 2 years ago
Norway is IN EUROPE.
But NOT in the EU. (They have sense)
Let us understand this and remember it.
noeuro 2 years ago
Yes I studied European Union Studies at University but thank you for reiterating what I already know full well with regards to member states.
When people use the term "In Europe" in a political context and from a British perspective, they are more often than not referring to the European Union.
AndrewUK1987 2 years ago 2
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I know that you know this.
Blair made a cheap shot, as he well knew, too.
But that's okay .. he did his fair share in leading us into european soviet tyranny by at the very least surrendering our hard won national rebate.
He played his part in the destruction of sovereign Britain and I hope the history books record him as such.
noeuro 2 years ago
he says quite clearly "Norway isn't in the european union"
-he's right
-he owned
briggsyNF 2 years ago 5
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Doesn't matter.
He said, "Name one other country in EUROPE"
Norway IS in Europe, yet they have had the good sense to stay out of the disgusting monster that is the corrupt and debauched EU.
To swap terms around in mid sentence is dishonest of Blair; but hey, he's adept at that .. need I mention Iraq and that lying debacle?
Enough said.
noeuro 2 years ago
you sound to everyone as if you don't know what your talking about. It's common practise to mean the EU when saying 'Europe' in a political environment. Also, it wasn't a cheap shot, it would be worrying if Blair didn't say what he did and far 'cheaper' shots have been made, but that is what British political debate is about.
tolstoythegreat 2 years ago
Blair wanker
Sodthisforalarkmate 2 years ago
This Blair!He could deabate very well!Amazing stuff.Cameron shred Brown to pieces in one u tube video but Blair shed Cameron to pieces in another video.But I still wanna lynch him for what he did to Britian.He made Britian america's poodle!!!!Fuckin Bastard just arguing good talk ins't gonna help!!
SirAniketRules 2 years ago
He said name one country in Europe, not in the EU!
petebj123 2 years ago
Who on the Tory front bench said Norway?
dublinlad81 2 years ago
Miss tony blair vry much... best british pm ever :-)
kangurupt 2 years ago
no way!
johnfox3 2 years ago
Tony Blair the best prime minister.
other than
Winston churchill greatest man ever lived
LiverpoolYNWA09 2 years ago
you are surly joking!!!
johnfox3 2 years ago
Tories got told. Blair is the best PM since Churchill.
ilov3ww3 2 years ago
at least blair had some common sense, tories dont know their right from left...
norway haha come on please these people are meant to be challenging the job of country leadership the least they can do is read into basic EU Membership policies!
louisbrandon 2 years ago
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Two illegal wars, 1.3 million dead, 5 million orphaned children, destruction of our rights and civil liberties, student fees outpricing the poor of a decent education, a fall in the number of NHS beds, an MOD arming despots and militias across the world, death of Dr David Kelly, mass closure of science depts in universities, youth centres and libraries.
Blair will be charged for war crimes, it's only a matter of time.
mixmatosis 3 years ago
Weird to think that both Blair and Thatcher, convincing winners of 3 elections each, were ousted by their own party, not the electorate... Thatcher would most probably have beaten that fool Kinnock in 1992 (even John Major got 14 million votes against him), and Blair would probably beat David 'the-other-leaders-are-so-crap-that-he's-the-best-option' Cameron. Without their own parties chucking them out, the weak opposition meant that Blair and Thatch could have had 20 years each, what a thought!
blazingjacko 3 years ago
Its just laughable how people say Labour and Tories are the same, they are different if you bother to read their policies.
realbigbugger 3 years ago 6
I liked Tony Blair. The only thing i can really disagree with him on is Iraq. But still the worst thing that happened to blair was that twat George W Bush. Apart from that I still support Tony.
russell111 3 years ago
the torys have better views on europe than blair or his rotten party
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
with a username like yours i will ignore you
BeatleFanVD 3 years ago
so sending me a comment is ignoring me?
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
In a wider context, they are indistinguishable.
stillceaser 3 years ago
in some ways yes..... but not on europe.... not on tax..... not on id cards.... and many many other things...... yes blair subscribes to a lot of thatcherism..... thatcher does not subscribe to blairism
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
your very irritating
tomabbott23 3 years ago
thanks..... and why is that? because i have a different view to u?
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
You mean the Tories that signed the Single European Act and the Maastricht Treaty? I don't think so, somehow.
alewisuk 3 years ago
fair point i suppose.... but dont pretend labour are any better on europe.... we have had a pro europ labour govt for more than 10 years..... do we have a single currency which blair put 5 years of time in trying to do? no.... do we have a referendum which he promised several times? no. would gordon brown sign up to it? no...... now thats not because they dont want to..... its because the view in the country is slightly eurosceptic.... just like the tory party.....
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
Still, at least they promised a referendum and haven't taken us into the single currency. Think about another 5 years of Major and Clarke! We'd already have the Euro by now as Clarke said he would have joined from the start and he doesn't believe in referendums. On the same basis he'd have presumably just signed up to the constitution, come what May. So yes, New Labour are pro-EU but they've never quite reached the same level of EU Fanaticism as seen with Clarke, Heseltine, Major etc.
alewisuk 3 years ago
no im not so sure.... they were very pro euro when they were new to power..... over time they realised that the single currency was not possible to win a referendum.... then they fell out with europe a few times...... tony blair once said that joining the euro was going to b his legacy
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
Tony Blair is The Man! Please run for the US Pres.
turduckens4u 3 years ago
lol at the laughs. Still I liked Tony Blair
myndecho 3 years ago
Tony Blair has his greatest moment as Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party of England. He was a great debater, if not a very principled person.
8data 3 years ago 5
I'd rather have some one like Blair in charge than those pompous torys anyway.
How could you vote for David Cameron! Just take two looks at him does he look like some one who represents the normal British citizen, or someone who represents the Eaton elite?
Jonnyw127 3 years ago 6
Blair spent years trying to get us out of the E.U. labour even put him in charge of a committee to organise for our withdrawal from the E.U. and he would like us all to forget about that and pretend he was always a "proud european citizen" as he calls himself. Blair is the fool in this no none else.
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this man's grave should be daily drenched in urine after he dies
netgemiplayer 3 years ago
"Norway? Norway isnt a member of the EU!"
Brilliant stuff Blair!
msayersiii 3 years ago 6
Tony . . right for once , and fairly funny with it !! .. crap on guitar though !
walkerchild69 3 years ago 6
Surprise, surprise... Tories acting like spoilt little private school brats in the Commons and showing they have no understanding of the very issue they want to debate.
mofi500 3 years ago 5
couldnt've put it better!
domiloya 3 years ago
Tony Blair was a good leader now he has gone Labour is a weak party !
omarthearab81 3 years ago 4
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Interesting that Tiny Blur backed by his braying asses can not differentiate between Europe and the EUropean Union! Perhaps that goes some way to explaining why he was such a catastrophe on so many counts & a proven liar responsible for both war crimes and crimes against humanity. No prime minister has done such irrevocable harm since the war save the bag of lard destroyed our democracy by telling lies in Parliament to dupe us into the EU originally. Blair additionally has destroyed our economy
Greg260146 3 years ago
i think ull have great difficulty finding a politician that doesn't lie
bwfc1000 3 years ago 4
bwfc1000 I can not disagree but can you name a British politician who has EVER taken these United Kingdoms to war based on lies made to Parliament, the peoples and the Monarch - who lied about the enemy, lied to our alies, lied to the military published a 12 year old PhD paper downloaded from a foreign University web site as British intelligence colluded with his Cabinet colleaugues to perpetuate the lies, lies to the UN and then committed crimes against humanity & war crimes based on lies?
Greg260146 3 years ago