LET ME TELL YOU BUDDIES...the jehovah's witnesses is a fanatical cult. This is FACT from one who was brainwashed into their fanatical dogma from birth. They are a dangerous group. This cult destroys lives, families! The only difference between them and the taliban, are the guns and bombs. The jehovah's witnesses weapons are their brainwashing skills. The watchtower, bible and track society decides what dogma to teach and the people are brainwashed into believing the SHIT is the truth. EVIL
@dsh3354 No, JWs have nothing to do with spiritism or astrology. However, years ago in the early 20th century they made a brief use of a book called "Angels and Women" that was supposedly dictated by a demon.
Very interesting. I live with 4 jehovahs witnesses. And i was born and raised as one. I was in jail for a couple years so ive had time to look at the organization from a different perspective. You seem like a good person to talk too.
@MrJustinhodge89 : thank you. It can be very difficult to help family members that are JWs, especially if you were one. Never use ridicule, show them love and respect. If you ever wish to talk let me know. I recommend having a solid understanding of mainstream Christianity by reading things by Lee Stroebel, Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig. Also take a look at my other youtube videos.
This video really puts the nail in the coffin on the subject of JWs being false prophets. Only an extremely deluded person can not see this as plain as day. I thoguht I had some really good explanations about how to prove JWs were false prophets, but this one is the best. There is just no wiggle room here at all. I am going to spread this video around as much as possible.
WE follow Jesus Christ Our Dear Lord in Heaven. WE follow his EVERY law, command, and teaching we can find in the bible. We LISTEN to Jesus and make more disciples as per his instructions at Matthew chapt.10, 24:14, 28:19,20, Luke chap.10, Acts 1:8,5:42,20:20. We preach the good news that God's Kingdom is soon coming to earth,bringing in peace=Matthew 5:5, chap.24, 25:31-46,Daniel 2:44,12:4
>: eternityandforever : Then please post your answer to the questions posed in this video. Did the book in chapter 4 claim that the leaders of the WT organization were commissioned to speak as a PROPHET in God's sacred name? When was that commission? Have they fulfilled that commission ever since then? Did the book claim in chapter 12 that God would bring eternal ruin to Christendom before the year 2000? What does Deuteronomy 18:20-22 mean?
@eternityandforever Do you accept that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, rose again on the third day and is our Lord and Savior. Jesus is also Jehova God too. If you deny the deity of Christ, then your following false christs. Please find the true Jesus. Amen
Congratulations, very good and clear explanation of false prophets. The point is how Jesús could choose the WT in 1919, if they were teaching in 1919, with Rutherford as president, with the "Millions campaign" that Armageddon will be coming in 1925. Is impossible that Jesus would have been behind this huge lie. hahahahaha
@Fuerzalavasoriana For those who didn't know ... Starting at least by 1917 (specifically in the Oct 1917 Zion's Watch Tower) they predicted that the resurrection of the Bible's OT patriarch's would begin in 1925 and the Kingdom would start. This soon became the "Millions" campaign claiming that "Millions now living will never die". This prediction was made AT THE TIME the JWs now claim Jesus chose their leaders as the "Faithful and Discreet Slave". Those millions are now dead. False prophets.
@JaySHess Deai sir: This video of yours is so good and so pointed, that i took this same 1971 WT book in spanish you have shown in your video, and i made my own video in spanish, explaining the same thing you have done in your language, for the Spanish JW's in youtube. I almost have used your same words. Please watch it
@2edgedsw0rd In the JW book "Survival into a New Earth" p. 109 par 10 : "Jehovah had a work for them to do. Concerning this, he prophetically said: 'I shall put my words in your mouth...' ... He put his 'words ,' his message, into the mouth of his servants for them to proclaim earth wide." ... Again this sounds like Dt 18. If they were only spreading the Bible's message they should not have claimed more. Not very faithful or discreet to have claimed this.
@2edgedsw0rd According to the JW book Revelation-Grand climax p. 138 the "forceful resolution" was published and adopted "no doubt at the direction of the angel that sounded the third trumpet". ... sounds closer and closer like a claim to prophesy in God's name. Yet that resolution, the last point in it, made a claim that never happened.
@2edgedsw0rd In the JW book "Revelation - Grand climax" p. 164, speaking of the WT in 1914 timeframe: "These faithful anointed Christians ... had to prophesy ... appears to indicate their humble endurance in announcing Jehovah's judgments. They were witnesses proclaiming his day of vengeance"
- however you may know that the judgments they proclaimed at that time failed.
Can you provide an argument that says Dt 18 necessarily requires an additional claim of being inspired before being guilty?
@2edgedsw0rd I think wer'e getting a bit lost with these imaginary scenarios. Basically, disfellowshipping and shunning in the bible is an instrument for dealing with gross and unrepentant immoral conduct, not for having a different bible understanding in matters not pertaining to the basics of the faith. I wish you well with everything, and God bless.
@2edgedsw0rd Well, that's one example. What about this one: Alan says "The store cupboard is on fire" the boss says "No it isn't and your'e fired!" This is a more accurate parallell, particularly in respect to the statements made by the society during the Washer trial.
@2edgedsw0rd Were those apostles condemned to spiritual death? No, of course not, being excluded from the fellowship was reserved for unrepentant immoral conduct.
@2edgedsw0rd Was it true or false, that Jesus returned in 1874? False, the organisation was speaking falsehood. They were speaking falsehood in a very serious way, because they were saying 'these are God's numbers, not ours" People who - even in a good humble attitude - recognised that this was incorrect - were to be disfellowshipped, which is spiritual death, because you are then outside God's ark. That's the bitter truth, and this is God's organisation?
@2edgedsw0rd So it would be quite right and proper for someone to be condemned to spiritual death for speaking truth, while the correct channel is speaking falsehood, saying it is God speaking and being reprimanded by no-one? What kind of organisation is this?
@2edgedsw0rd So if someone said "Excuse me, but I think this is a mistake with regard to 1874" and they were disfellowshipped (which means condemned to spiritual death, let's remember) even though they were right about this, then keeping the organisation intact would be more important than truth, would it? (This is not a hypothetical situation, I'm afraid, I'm sure you are aware of the infamous Washer Trial)
@2edgedsw0rd OK, so, whereabouts in the bible? It's really important, as it is nothing less than the actual presence of the Lord Jesus we are talking about here, as well as the claim that if anyone has a problem with this, they are arguing against God and must be disfellowshipped, as was the case.
@2edgedsw0rd Well, if he is saying these are God's figures, not man's, then he was privy to information otherwise only held by God. How did he access that information, if it was something not thought of by man?
@2edgedsw0rd OK, well, a good starting place would be the April 1st edition of Watchtower Mag. 1972. You can find it online, or on your archive CD if you have one. There is an article entitled "They shall know a prophet was among them"
@2edgedsw0rd It's not easy at all, that's the whole point. Actual events have shown these claims to have been completely wrong. The dilemma is that these things were stated in a very absolute and dogmatic way, i.e. argue with these claims and you are arguing with God. I'd bother very much, if I were you.
@2edgedsw0rd The scriptures that back up 1953 for sealing the number of the 144 000, the claim that Abraham would return in 1925, and that millions living in 1919 would never die - see Jay's question of 1 day ago. I could add my own one as well - the scripture that backs up the indsputable nature of Jesus return in the late 1800s (1874, I think it was according to Russel and Rutherford)
@2edgedsw0rd Since the WT has made so many serious mistakes, teaching so many failed prophecies and claiming at the same time that they have been commissioned to speak in God's name (obviously a false claim) my salvation is certainly not at stake because I ignore a human organization that is so prone to error. ... Read Daniel 12. They claim to be those who shine brightly ...yet they have not unsealed Daniel and have no clue who the King of the North is.
@2edgedsw0rd You claim that everything the WT has ever taught has been based on scripture. The WT claimed that 1935 was the date for sealing the number of the 144,000 , what scripture was that based on? The WT claimed that Abraham would be raised in 1925, what verse was that based on? The WT claimed in 1919 that millions now will never die. What scripture was that based on?
@2edgedsw0rd For your sake you should be careful. Repeating that the WT does not truthfully claim to be inspired, they only claim to have been commissioned to speak AS A PROPHET (what kind?) in Jehovah's name ('Nations shall know') and that Jehovah has been putting his words into their mouths ('Holy Spirit' book) - and they have made numerous predictions that have failed. These predictions are NEW information, not in scripture. They bring reproach on the name they speak in. You are in danger.
@JaySHess continued .. . and repeating that they need to also claim to be inspired, doe not make it so. For they have met the definition in Dt18 that is why God condemns those who do it. The video stays up until someone shows that the WT did not do what Dt 18 says makes them guilty.
@2edgedsw0rd As shown in the video the Bible defines a false prophet in detail in DT 18. I said I would pull the video if you can deal with Dt 18 and show how the WT does not meet what Dt 18 says. Your answer appears to be that the WT did not truly mean what it said. That is the classic defense of a false prophet. The charge is against only their words. Their only defense is to claim they did not mean it.
@2edgedsw0rd If you say that claiming to have God's words in their mouths is the same as claiming to be inspired, then so be it. They did claim that ... and that they were commissioned to speak in the name of Jehovah. ... Identical to the convicting attributes in Dt 18. Guilty as charged.. Matthew 12:36;
@2edgedsw0rd The WT claimed that Jehovah has been putting his words into their mouths. (Holy Spirit - The force Behind the Coming New Order, 1976, pp.175-176)
@2edgedsw0rd You used the word "inspired" but that word is not in Dt18 . Look at Dt 18 again, it says that anyone who claims to speak in Jehovah's name and then makes a false prediction is in trouble. The book clearly claims to speak in God's Name. No one needs to claim inspiration to be a false prophet. The word 'inspired' does not appear in Dt 18.
@2edgedsw0rd If I am wrong and you can correct my understanding of Dt 18 I will be willing to pull the video off. Just explain what the false prophet is in Dt 18 and how the WT publication "Nations shall know" does not match what Dt 18 says.
No one -Jews or Gentiles know the pronunciation of the Holy name - YHWH is unutterable and every kid in Israel knows it -If you want to pronounce Hebrew word by observing Greek -well by doing it you just invent, pretend and make things up -that's it. By wrongly pronouncing the Holy name you break the 2nd commandment of Torah and you offend God himself by useless and meaningless mechanical repetitions of the name you made up from your sick desires and imagination
@lelameolamimamen You sound a bit bitter against those scholars who have attempted to reconstruct what Moses said. Did some Christian scholar hurt you or your family? ... How about someone who desires to honor God by trying their best to pronounce the Name as Moses did? Would that be so bad? So bad that you feel compelled to replying with a reference to some scholar's "sick desires"?
Jehovah is God's name. Check dictionaries, encyclopedias, bibles (at Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 42:8, and Isaiah 54:5). Jehovah's Witnesses serve Christ Jesus our Lord. Matthew 4:17 Jesus started preaching. He taught his disciples to preach in Matthew 10. Matthew 10:14 tells them to go house to house. Matthew 24:14 says this good news of the kingdomwill be preached... before the end comes.
Jesus taught his disciples to make more disciples at Matthew 28:19,20,"Go therefore and make disciples..."
@eternityandforever Jesus said these things and more. He also said in Mt 24:5 many would come in his name and claim to be 'anointed' (the meaning of the word here and mislead. These deceivers would not be pagans (otherwise how could they come in Jesus' name)? The WT leaders claim to be 'anointed'. Dt 18:19-22 warns of persons from among Jehovah's people who will be false prophets. Watch the video and see who they are.
I don't care, I am not a specialist in Hebrew and you aren't as well so I count on specialists I wrote to many Rabbis, Torah Scribes, Teachers of the Law, Jewish Pastors and Christians , Orthodox Jews and they all replied the same -YHWH is unutterable and cannot be pronounce -go to any Synagogue and observe the Jews -whenever they read the Torah and there is YHWH in the text they read it Adonai -it's as simple as that
@lelameolamimamen Evangelical scholars say that in the time of Moses the Name had a pronunciation. So it is NOT unutterable, you just don't know what it is. Some who have researched the Jewish settlement at Elephantine and the Greek writings there have drawn the conclusion that the pronunciation of the Name can be reconstructed by observing the Greek spelling of the Name.
What will you tell people who lost their nearest and dearest because the false religion of JWs forbade taking any drugs and what will you tell folks who lost their relatives because the Society did not allow organ transplantation and what will you tell people whose children died because these liars. cheats and deceivers forbid blood transfusion?
sold their houses and there was no Armageddon?What will you tell guys who sold all they have and then walked for hours in forests hungry and without hope because another False Prophecy did not happen?
@bobo007xx What positive message-You recognize them by the fruits they bear and they bear rotten fruit-What message ?You call hundreds of false prophesies, thousands of unfilled promises , endless fake dates, NONE of what they claimed ever happened and nothing what they said turned to be true-so WHAT message do they have?What will you tell people who took loans ,
@bobo007xx Why all JWs are liars why you look crazy and make fun of yourselves on regular basis?Why nothing what you claimed turned out to be true -why u are possessed with fake promises, faulty dates and false prophesies
@lelameolamimamen im not a jw,but you still look posessed,or demented.maby you should look in the mirror,first,before talking shit about a group who dont bother anybody,dont fight in contrived wars,and have a positive message that god is going to take back the earth and rid it of people who hurt others.AND if they are right,then maby you should correct yourself,lunatic.
Yahwe?It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai when applied to the letters YHWH in the running text , so some attempted to 'correct'(again wrongly)the pronounciation by pronouncing the Name as 'Yahveh' or 'Yahoveh' .This is too, incorrect and it is also incorrectly transliterated since there is no 'w' sound for Hebrew.
The pronunciation of YHWH is unknown and the so called fake reconstruction of YHWH is completely wrong and have not been supported by any authority or scientists it's just free happy-go-lucky plays with grammar by omitting all the rules and regulations of Hebrew Language
@JaySHess Jehova -on this account the Masoretes that the Name of the Lord will not be taken in vain by substituting the vowel marks for Adonai and putting them under the letters YHWH in the running thext(this is called Quere{what is to be read}as oppose to Ketiv{what is to be written}. The Hebrew text then contains the Ketiv but uses the vowels of Quere(YHWH)and this had led to obiously incorrect and totally wrong pronunciation of the Name as "Jehovah'(In older English 'J' had and 'Y' sound)
@JaySHess Yahwe?It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai when applied to the letters YHWH in the running text , so some attempted to 'correct'(again wrongly)the pronounciation by pronouncing the Name as 'Yahveh' or 'Yahoveh' .This is too, incorrect and it is also incorrectly transliterated since there is no 'w' sound for Hebrew.
@JaySHess Yahwe?It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai when applied to the letters YHWH in the running text , so some attempted to 'correct'(again wrongly)the pronounciation by pronouncing the Name as 'Yahveh' or 'Yahoveh' .This is too, incorrect and it is also incorrectly transliterated since there is no 'w' sound for Hebrew.
@JaySHess Beside JWs have no Holy Spirit nor his gifts and any gifts of the Holy Spirits which confirms and is clear evidence they are non-biblical, non-Christian pagan organisation who bear only rotten fruit-what can they offer-absolutely nothing!!!
Most JWs don't read the older books. They are so duped by the term "new light" that they don't take anything but the more recent books seriously. They've been programmed really well.
Revelation speaks of GOD telling HIS people to get out of BABYLON THE GREAT, the MOTHER of ALL the HARLOTs. It does not say which are called harlots, only to get out of them.
To me GOD does not DO Religion, religion alienates man from GOD and his heavenly family.
God spoke to the prophets of old he can with no problems whatsoever speak to his servants on earth today.
The jw's have spoken many false prophecies, not just one, their literature is full of them. But speak to a jw and they will deny it even when you show them the proof of their organizations lies because that is what false prophecy is: LIES.
the devil is a liar and the god they worship must be a liar as well. I am not calling GOD Almighty a liar, GOD never mentioned who would be his slave class only that the faithful and discreet slave would feed us at the proper time.
it amazes me that during the early years of the JW cult that it was okay to put down the roman catholic church as false prophets but woe to anyone who puts jw's as a false prophet.
Jesus said in GOD Word that all secrets would become known, what was said in secret would be shouted from the rooftops.
As a associate of that cult who was saved 7 years ago from making a massive mistake I feel that the truth IS coming out.
@icthruu4evr ... (The Bible is a lot older.) As for the info being updated. ... You cannot change history. In this 1971 book the writers of that time made a false prophecy. The claim still made TODAY is that the writers of the 1971 book were, at that time, part of the God-appointed faithful and discreet slave. If that claim is now false, then those making that claim today cannot be the faithful slave now.
@JaySHess Like it or not these are commonly known facts, historical and biographical events, evidence all came mainly from JWs publications, materials and books - you cannot change history and activity of liars JWs
JW's are speaking in the name of other gods. Now if you are talking about vs 22 where it says " Word that does not occur or come true". Are you arguing here that the battle in the day of Jehovah will not happen or will not occur. Don't simply look at what you want to bleieve look at the whole scripture and you will see it does not apply.
To @Josiahvidz : Please re-read your post. You claim that "JW's are speaking in the name of other gods". Odd that you would admit this. I am reasoning that the Watchtower's claim that the end would occur in the twentieth century will not happen because it did not happen. This was spoken in Jehovah's name (according to the book referenced). Therefore Dt 18 applies.
To @Josiahvidz : If after reading the Watchtower's book (aka 'Know Jehovah') and the quote I gave (par 9: "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the 'battle in the day of Jehovah' will begin against ... Christendom. .") and you truly believe that this statement about Jehovah's day could yet come true in the 20th(!) century, then your thinking is drastically different from those in the mainstream Christian community and you would not fit there. You should stay where you are.
To @Josiahvidz : Folks in mainstream Christianity conclude that this statement in the book (Know Jehovah) has failed because the 20th century has passed. Since the statement was made by persons who were claiming to have been "commissioned to speak as a prophet in Jehovah's name" then Dt 18:20-22 does certainly apply. Although I have a Masters degree in Math I cannot follow your reasoning.
Hello Jay. Hey I would really like to know how you connect Deuteronomy to this statemnet made in that book? Deut 18:20-22 states the false prophet would speak a word that Jehovavh did not command him to speak. That statement quotes from Ezek 13:5. Also Deut- states the false prophet speaks in the name of other gods.Nowhere in that statement do you find that Cont-
To @Josiahvidz : Please re-read your post. Your reference to Ezek 13:5 is in error. Dt 18:20-22 is not a quote from Ezk 13:5 nor from Dt 13:5. It is a law of God, that anyone who speaks in Jehovah's name what He had not commanded, and that statement fails to come true, that (false) prophet is to be ignored.
@JaySHess So you are reading into Deu something that is not there. It does not say if it doesn't happen when they say it should. It says if it does not happen at all. Now you cannot deny that the the “battle in the day of Jehovah” is going to happen. So there is not false propehcy there. This is a continuation so please read both comments.
@Josiahvidz - No, Dt says that if the word does not happen, that is, what the person describes as going to happen, if it does not happen exactly as spoken. ... And it did not happen exactly as spoken. They claimed it would happen by a particular date, and it did not happen.
@JaySHess You are miss reading here again. I said Deut says that false prophet speaks a word Jehovah did not command him to speak. You cannot claim this either of that statement in the "Know Jehovah" book because it quotes Ez 13:5 when it says the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin. This is the quote from Ezek.
He said: Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, I am he, and, The due time has approached. Do not go after them.
I wish I could link one of my answers on Yahoo. I was onto this, but I missed a couple of the quotes in the book (pp 54, 61). May God bless you for the work youre doing in exposing the WTBTS as false prophets, and may He continue to impress upon all our hearts that this battle will be won on our knees. (Eph. 6:12)
If the post does not apply to this video I am deleting the post. This is not a forum for discussing arbitrary JW related issues. Please take it elsewhere. - Thanks
funny comment. The Watchtower's position is clear in their book. They predict that the war had not started in 1971 - the publication date of this book - but the devastating battle would happen in the 20th century. Christendom is still alive and is not even aware that the Watchtower is even in the fight. The Watchtower claims that the 7 trumpets of Revelation happened nearly 100 years ago in Cedar point Ohio. Also funny, who today would say that they experienced those momentous trumpets.
The war against Christendom did start in the twentieth century. That statement is not false. Exposing the lies heaped upon people for nearly 2,000 years is a war. People keep faling to realize that the Broad Gate leading to destruction is all the over 38,000 denominations of Christendom. Narrow and cramped is the Road leading to eternal life and Few are the ones finding it. Did you expect that the Truth would be widely accepted?
Your Jehovah is certainly not a loving God . To force those who wish Salvation to rub shoulders on a cramped road with a False and Wicked prophet. A pity.
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LET ME TELL YOU BUDDIES...the jehovah's witnesses is a fanatical cult. This is FACT from one who was brainwashed into their fanatical dogma from birth. They are a dangerous group. This cult destroys lives, families! The only difference between them and the taliban, are the guns and bombs. The jehovah's witnesses weapons are their brainwashing skills. The watchtower, bible and track society decides what dogma to teach and the people are brainwashed into believing the SHIT is the truth. EVIL
jonathonlb 1 week ago
God bless you
shangtsung432 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Is it true that JW's practice necromany, spiritism and astrology?
dsh3354 1 month ago
@dsh3354 No, JWs have nothing to do with spiritism or astrology. However, years ago in the early 20th century they made a brief use of a book called "Angels and Women" that was supposedly dictated by a demon.
JaySHess 1 month ago
My brother has gone over to the dark side (JW) and has forsaken his family of origin. It's devastating and deeply hurtful especially for parents.
1951kvk 1 month ago
Very interesting. I live with 4 jehovahs witnesses. And i was born and raised as one. I was in jail for a couple years so ive had time to look at the organization from a different perspective. You seem like a good person to talk too.
MrJustinhodge89 1 month ago
@MrJustinhodge89 : thank you. It can be very difficult to help family members that are JWs, especially if you were one. Never use ridicule, show them love and respect. If you ever wish to talk let me know. I recommend having a solid understanding of mainstream Christianity by reading things by Lee Stroebel, Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig. Also take a look at my other youtube videos.
JaySHess 1 month ago
@Jayshess, good work :)
dsh3354 4 months ago
This video really puts the nail in the coffin on the subject of JWs being false prophets. Only an extremely deluded person can not see this as plain as day. I thoguht I had some really good explanations about how to prove JWs were false prophets, but this one is the best. There is just no wiggle room here at all. I am going to spread this video around as much as possible.
zengalileo 6 months ago
WE follow Jesus Christ Our Dear Lord in Heaven. WE follow his EVERY law, command, and teaching we can find in the bible. We LISTEN to Jesus and make more disciples as per his instructions at Matthew chapt.10, 24:14, 28:19,20, Luke chap.10, Acts 1:8,5:42,20:20. We preach the good news that God's Kingdom is soon coming to earth,bringing in peace=Matthew 5:5, chap.24, 25:31-46,Daniel 2:44,12:4
eternityandforever 6 months ago
>: eternityandforever : Then please post your answer to the questions posed in this video. Did the book in chapter 4 claim that the leaders of the WT organization were commissioned to speak as a PROPHET in God's sacred name? When was that commission? Have they fulfilled that commission ever since then? Did the book claim in chapter 12 that God would bring eternal ruin to Christendom before the year 2000? What does Deuteronomy 18:20-22 mean?
JaySHess 6 months ago
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@eternityandforever Do you accept that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, rose again on the third day and is our Lord and Savior. Jesus is also Jehova God too. If you deny the deity of Christ, then your following false christs. Please find the true Jesus. Amen
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Congratulations, very good and clear explanation of false prophets. The point is how Jesús could choose the WT in 1919, if they were teaching in 1919, with Rutherford as president, with the "Millions campaign" that Armageddon will be coming in 1925. Is impossible that Jesus would have been behind this huge lie. hahahahaha
Fuerzalavasoriana 8 months ago
@Fuerzalavasoriana For those who didn't know ... Starting at least by 1917 (specifically in the Oct 1917 Zion's Watch Tower) they predicted that the resurrection of the Bible's OT patriarch's would begin in 1925 and the Kingdom would start. This soon became the "Millions" campaign claiming that "Millions now living will never die". This prediction was made AT THE TIME the JWs now claim Jesus chose their leaders as the "Faithful and Discreet Slave". Those millions are now dead. False prophets.
JaySHess 8 months ago
@JaySHess Deai sir: This video of yours is so good and so pointed, that i took this same 1971 WT book in spanish you have shown in your video, and i made my own video in spanish, explaining the same thing you have done in your language, for the Spanish JW's in youtube. I almost have used your same words. Please watch it
Fuerzalavasoriana 8 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd In the JW book "Survival into a New Earth" p. 109 par 10 : "Jehovah had a work for them to do. Concerning this, he prophetically said: 'I shall put my words in your mouth...' ... He put his 'words ,' his message, into the mouth of his servants for them to proclaim earth wide." ... Again this sounds like Dt 18. If they were only spreading the Bible's message they should not have claimed more. Not very faithful or discreet to have claimed this.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd According to the JW book Revelation-Grand climax p. 138 the "forceful resolution" was published and adopted "no doubt at the direction of the angel that sounded the third trumpet". ... sounds closer and closer like a claim to prophesy in God's name. Yet that resolution, the last point in it, made a claim that never happened.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd In the JW book "Revelation - Grand climax" p. 164, speaking of the WT in 1914 timeframe: "These faithful anointed Christians ... had to prophesy ... appears to indicate their humble endurance in announcing Jehovah's judgments. They were witnesses proclaiming his day of vengeance"
- however you may know that the judgments they proclaimed at that time failed.
Can you provide an argument that says Dt 18 necessarily requires an additional claim of being inspired before being guilty?
JaySHess 9 months ago
@JaySHess I see a constant stream of replies from you and The1hope4all towards 2edgedsw0rd, but where are all of HIS comments?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@Justice4vr It does seem that 2edgedsw0rd has deleted his own comments.
JaySHess 2 months ago
@JaySHess is that even possible?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@Justice4vr I've noticed that his comments have all disappeared on other channels and videos as well. Has he closed his account, perhaps?
The1hope4all 4 weeks ago
@2edgedsw0rd All the best to you too.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd I think wer'e getting a bit lost with these imaginary scenarios. Basically, disfellowshipping and shunning in the bible is an instrument for dealing with gross and unrepentant immoral conduct, not for having a different bible understanding in matters not pertaining to the basics of the faith. I wish you well with everything, and God bless.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Well, that's one example. What about this one: Alan says "The store cupboard is on fire" the boss says "No it isn't and your'e fired!" This is a more accurate parallell, particularly in respect to the statements made by the society during the Washer trial.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@The1hope4all Sorry, I meant "Walsh" and not "Washer"
The1hope4all 4 weeks ago
@2edgedsw0rd Were those apostles condemned to spiritual death? No, of course not, being excluded from the fellowship was reserved for unrepentant immoral conduct.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Was it true or false, that Jesus returned in 1874? False, the organisation was speaking falsehood. They were speaking falsehood in a very serious way, because they were saying 'these are God's numbers, not ours" People who - even in a good humble attitude - recognised that this was incorrect - were to be disfellowshipped, which is spiritual death, because you are then outside God's ark. That's the bitter truth, and this is God's organisation?
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd So it would be quite right and proper for someone to be condemned to spiritual death for speaking truth, while the correct channel is speaking falsehood, saying it is God speaking and being reprimanded by no-one? What kind of organisation is this?
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd So if someone said "Excuse me, but I think this is a mistake with regard to 1874" and they were disfellowshipped (which means condemned to spiritual death, let's remember) even though they were right about this, then keeping the organisation intact would be more important than truth, would it? (This is not a hypothetical situation, I'm afraid, I'm sure you are aware of the infamous Washer Trial)
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@The1hope4all
You said >"(This is not a hypothetical situation, I'm afraid, I'm sure you are aware of the infamous Washer Trial)"
Can you direct me to where I can educate myself on this? Thank you for your help.
barbsinclair 4 weeks ago
@2edgedsw0rd OK, so, whereabouts in the bible? It's really important, as it is nothing less than the actual presence of the Lord Jesus we are talking about here, as well as the claim that if anyone has a problem with this, they are arguing against God and must be disfellowshipped, as was the case.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Well, if he is saying these are God's figures, not man's, then he was privy to information otherwise only held by God. How did he access that information, if it was something not thought of by man?
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd OK. Did Rutherford say that Jesus returned in 1874, that this was indisputable, and these were God's figures, not his?
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Well, I'll leave that up to you!
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd OK, well, a good starting place would be the April 1st edition of Watchtower Mag. 1972. You can find it online, or on your archive CD if you have one. There is an article entitled "They shall know a prophet was among them"
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd I'm very sorry - the descriptions match up perfectly, identically, point for point.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Was Nathan speaking in the name of the Lord when he said that? Did he say "Thus says the Lord..."?
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd It's not easy at all, that's the whole point. Actual events have shown these claims to have been completely wrong. The dilemma is that these things were stated in a very absolute and dogmatic way, i.e. argue with these claims and you are arguing with God. I'd bother very much, if I were you.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd The scriptures that back up 1953 for sealing the number of the 144 000, the claim that Abraham would return in 1925, and that millions living in 1919 would never die - see Jay's question of 1 day ago. I could add my own one as well - the scripture that backs up the indsputable nature of Jesus return in the late 1800s (1874, I think it was according to Russel and Rutherford)
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Have you found it yet? I'd be interested too.
The1hope4all 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd Since the WT has made so many serious mistakes, teaching so many failed prophecies and claiming at the same time that they have been commissioned to speak in God's name (obviously a false claim) my salvation is certainly not at stake because I ignore a human organization that is so prone to error. ... Read Daniel 12. They claim to be those who shine brightly ...yet they have not unsealed Daniel and have no clue who the King of the North is.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd You claim that everything the WT has ever taught has been based on scripture. The WT claimed that 1935 was the date for sealing the number of the 144,000 , what scripture was that based on? The WT claimed that Abraham would be raised in 1925, what verse was that based on? The WT claimed in 1919 that millions now will never die. What scripture was that based on?
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd For your sake you should be careful. Repeating that the WT does not truthfully claim to be inspired, they only claim to have been commissioned to speak AS A PROPHET (what kind?) in Jehovah's name ('Nations shall know') and that Jehovah has been putting his words into their mouths ('Holy Spirit' book) - and they have made numerous predictions that have failed. These predictions are NEW information, not in scripture. They bring reproach on the name they speak in. You are in danger.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@JaySHess continued .. . and repeating that they need to also claim to be inspired, doe not make it so. For they have met the definition in Dt18 that is why God condemns those who do it. The video stays up until someone shows that the WT did not do what Dt 18 says makes them guilty.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd As shown in the video the Bible defines a false prophet in detail in DT 18. I said I would pull the video if you can deal with Dt 18 and show how the WT does not meet what Dt 18 says. Your answer appears to be that the WT did not truly mean what it said. That is the classic defense of a false prophet. The charge is against only their words. Their only defense is to claim they did not mean it.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd If you say that claiming to have God's words in their mouths is the same as claiming to be inspired, then so be it. They did claim that ... and that they were commissioned to speak in the name of Jehovah. ... Identical to the convicting attributes in Dt 18. Guilty as charged.. Matthew 12:36;
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd The WT claimed that Jehovah has been putting his words into their mouths. (Holy Spirit - The force Behind the Coming New Order, 1976, pp.175-176)
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd You used the word "inspired" but that word is not in Dt18 . Look at Dt 18 again, it says that anyone who claims to speak in Jehovah's name and then makes a false prediction is in trouble. The book clearly claims to speak in God's Name. No one needs to claim inspiration to be a false prophet. The word 'inspired' does not appear in Dt 18.
JaySHess 9 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd If I am wrong and you can correct my understanding of Dt 18 I will be willing to pull the video off. Just explain what the false prophet is in Dt 18 and how the WT publication "Nations shall know" does not match what Dt 18 says.
JaySHess 9 months ago
No one -Jews or Gentiles know the pronunciation of the Holy name - YHWH is unutterable and every kid in Israel knows it -If you want to pronounce Hebrew word by observing Greek -well by doing it you just invent, pretend and make things up -that's it. By wrongly pronouncing the Holy name you break the 2nd commandment of Torah and you offend God himself by useless and meaningless mechanical repetitions of the name you made up from your sick desires and imagination
lelameolamimamen 9 months ago
@lelameolamimamen You sound a bit bitter against those scholars who have attempted to reconstruct what Moses said. Did some Christian scholar hurt you or your family? ... How about someone who desires to honor God by trying their best to pronounce the Name as Moses did? Would that be so bad? So bad that you feel compelled to replying with a reference to some scholar's "sick desires"?
JaySHess 9 months ago
Jehovah is God's name. Check dictionaries, encyclopedias, bibles (at Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 42:8, and Isaiah 54:5). Jehovah's Witnesses serve Christ Jesus our Lord. Matthew 4:17 Jesus started preaching. He taught his disciples to preach in Matthew 10. Matthew 10:14 tells them to go house to house. Matthew 24:14 says this good news of the kingdomwill be preached... before the end comes.
Jesus taught his disciples to make more disciples at Matthew 28:19,20,"Go therefore and make disciples..."
eternityandforever 9 months ago
@eternityandforever Jesus said these things and more. He also said in Mt 24:5 many would come in his name and claim to be 'anointed' (the meaning of the word here and mislead. These deceivers would not be pagans (otherwise how could they come in Jesus' name)? The WT leaders claim to be 'anointed'. Dt 18:19-22 warns of persons from among Jehovah's people who will be false prophets. Watch the video and see who they are.
JaySHess 9 months ago
I don't care, I am not a specialist in Hebrew and you aren't as well so I count on specialists I wrote to many Rabbis, Torah Scribes, Teachers of the Law, Jewish Pastors and Christians , Orthodox Jews and they all replied the same -YHWH is unutterable and cannot be pronounce -go to any Synagogue and observe the Jews -whenever they read the Torah and there is YHWH in the text they read it Adonai -it's as simple as that
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
@lelameolamimamen Evangelical scholars say that in the time of Moses the Name had a pronunciation. So it is NOT unutterable, you just don't know what it is. Some who have researched the Jewish settlement at Elephantine and the Greek writings there have drawn the conclusion that the pronunciation of the Name can be reconstructed by observing the Greek spelling of the Name.
JaySHess 9 months ago
What will you tell people who lost their nearest and dearest because the false religion of JWs forbade taking any drugs and what will you tell folks who lost their relatives because the Society did not allow organ transplantation and what will you tell people whose children died because these liars. cheats and deceivers forbid blood transfusion?
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
sold their houses and there was no Armageddon?What will you tell guys who sold all they have and then walked for hours in forests hungry and without hope because another False Prophecy did not happen?
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
@bobo007xx What positive message-You recognize them by the fruits they bear and they bear rotten fruit-What message ?You call hundreds of false prophesies, thousands of unfilled promises , endless fake dates, NONE of what they claimed ever happened and nothing what they said turned to be true-so WHAT message do they have?What will you tell people who took loans ,
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
@bobo007xx Why all JWs are liars why you look crazy and make fun of yourselves on regular basis?Why nothing what you claimed turned out to be true -why u are possessed with fake promises, faulty dates and false prophesies
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
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@lelameolamimamen im not a jw,but you still look posessed,or demented.maby you should look in the mirror,first,before talking shit about a group who dont bother anybody,dont fight in contrived wars,and have a positive message that god is going to take back the earth and rid it of people who hurt others.AND if they are right,then maby you should correct yourself,lunatic.
bobo007xx 10 months ago
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Yahwe?It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai when applied to the letters YHWH in the running text , so some attempted to 'correct'(again wrongly)the pronounciation by pronouncing the Name as 'Yahveh' or 'Yahoveh' .This is too, incorrect and it is also incorrectly transliterated since there is no 'w' sound for Hebrew.
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
@lelameolamimamen : In the Hebrew class I took, from a Rabbi, I was told that in ancient Hebrew the 'v' (vav) was a 'waw' with a 'w' sound.
JaySHess 10 months ago
tu es droit, ces Jehovah's Witnesses sont rien mais un tas de "FAUX PROPHETES" c'est le vrai.
QilinRider21 1 year ago
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Jehovah's witnesses are cordially invited to "remain in the teaching of Christ" ...
2 John 1:9
... and to learn from Christ when He started to reign in Heavens
check out the study at my "website" , and see if what you know is correctly based upon the "teaching of Christ"
Let the peace of Christ be upon those who "dwell in the teaching of Christ" ,
because they have both the Father and the Son.
tidingsbearer 1 year ago
The pronunciation of YHWH is unknown and the so called fake reconstruction of YHWH is completely wrong and have not been supported by any authority or scientists it's just free happy-go-lucky plays with grammar by omitting all the rules and regulations of Hebrew Language
lelameolamimamen 1 year ago
@lelameolamimamen Could you re-phrase this with some details?
JaySHess 1 year ago
@JaySHess Jehova -on this account the Masoretes that the Name of the Lord will not be taken in vain by substituting the vowel marks for Adonai and putting them under the letters YHWH in the running thext(this is called Quere{what is to be read}as oppose to Ketiv{what is to be written}. The Hebrew text then contains the Ketiv but uses the vowels of Quere(YHWH)and this had led to obiously incorrect and totally wrong pronunciation of the Name as "Jehovah'(In older English 'J' had and 'Y' sound)
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
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@JaySHess Yahwe?It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai when applied to the letters YHWH in the running text , so some attempted to 'correct'(again wrongly)the pronounciation by pronouncing the Name as 'Yahveh' or 'Yahoveh' .This is too, incorrect and it is also incorrectly transliterated since there is no 'w' sound for Hebrew.
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
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@JaySHess Yahwe?It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai when applied to the letters YHWH in the running text , so some attempted to 'correct'(again wrongly)the pronounciation by pronouncing the Name as 'Yahveh' or 'Yahoveh' .This is too, incorrect and it is also incorrectly transliterated since there is no 'w' sound for Hebrew.
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
@JaySHess Beside JWs have no Holy Spirit nor his gifts and any gifts of the Holy Spirits which confirms and is clear evidence they are non-biblical, non-Christian pagan organisation who bear only rotten fruit-what can they offer-absolutely nothing!!!
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
Very good presentation.
Thank you
1914watcher 1 year ago
Most JWs don't read the older books. They are so duped by the term "new light" that they don't take anything but the more recent books seriously. They've been programmed really well.
Revolt1680 1 year ago
Revelation speaks of GOD telling HIS people to get out of BABYLON THE GREAT, the MOTHER of ALL the HARLOTs. It does not say which are called harlots, only to get out of them.
To me GOD does not DO Religion, religion alienates man from GOD and his heavenly family.
God spoke to the prophets of old he can with no problems whatsoever speak to his servants on earth today.
Peace to yall searching for truth.
zacfromorchardpark 1 year ago
The jw's have spoken many false prophecies, not just one, their literature is full of them. But speak to a jw and they will deny it even when you show them the proof of their organizations lies because that is what false prophecy is: LIES.
the devil is a liar and the god they worship must be a liar as well. I am not calling GOD Almighty a liar, GOD never mentioned who would be his slave class only that the faithful and discreet slave would feed us at the proper time.
zacfromorchardpark 1 year ago
it amazes me that during the early years of the JW cult that it was okay to put down the roman catholic church as false prophets but woe to anyone who puts jw's as a false prophet.
Jesus said in GOD Word that all secrets would become known, what was said in secret would be shouted from the rooftops.
As a associate of that cult who was saved 7 years ago from making a massive mistake I feel that the truth IS coming out.
zacfromorchardpark 1 year ago
Well Done!
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@icthruu4evr ... (The Bible is a lot older.) As for the info being updated. ... You cannot change history. In this 1971 book the writers of that time made a false prophecy. The claim still made TODAY is that the writers of the 1971 book were, at that time, part of the God-appointed faithful and discreet slave. If that claim is now false, then those making that claim today cannot be the faithful slave now.
JaySHess 1 year ago
@JaySHess Like it or not these are commonly known facts, historical and biographical events, evidence all came mainly from JWs publications, materials and books - you cannot change history and activity of liars JWs
lelameolamimamen 10 months ago
@archeng123 - never been there.
JaySHess 1 year ago
JW's are speaking in the name of other gods. Now if you are talking about vs 22 where it says " Word that does not occur or come true". Are you arguing here that the battle in the day of Jehovah will not happen or will not occur. Don't simply look at what you want to bleieve look at the whole scripture and you will see it does not apply.
Josiahvidz 1 year ago
To @Josiahvidz : Please re-read your post. You claim that "JW's are speaking in the name of other gods". Odd that you would admit this. I am reasoning that the Watchtower's claim that the end would occur in the twentieth century will not happen because it did not happen. This was spoken in Jehovah's name (according to the book referenced). Therefore Dt 18 applies.
JaySHess 1 year ago
@JaySHess First you need to go back and read my posts. The statement you are talking about is a continuation that did not fit in one post. Here it is.
"Nowhere in that statement do you find that JW's are speaking in the name of other gods"
Second. Deut 18 says if they prophet "speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not come true"
Josiahvidz 1 year ago
To @Josiahvidz : If after reading the Watchtower's book (aka 'Know Jehovah') and the quote I gave (par 9: "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the 'battle in the day of Jehovah' will begin against ... Christendom. .") and you truly believe that this statement about Jehovah's day could yet come true in the 20th(!) century, then your thinking is drastically different from those in the mainstream Christian community and you would not fit there. You should stay where you are.
JaySHess 1 year ago
To @Josiahvidz : Folks in mainstream Christianity conclude that this statement in the book (Know Jehovah) has failed because the 20th century has passed. Since the statement was made by persons who were claiming to have been "commissioned to speak as a prophet in Jehovah's name" then Dt 18:20-22 does certainly apply. Although I have a Masters degree in Math I cannot follow your reasoning.
JaySHess 1 year ago
Hello Jay. Hey I would really like to know how you connect Deuteronomy to this statemnet made in that book? Deut 18:20-22 states the false prophet would speak a word that Jehovavh did not command him to speak. That statement quotes from Ezek 13:5. Also Deut- states the false prophet speaks in the name of other gods.Nowhere in that statement do you find that Cont-
Josiahvidz 1 year ago
To @Josiahvidz : Please re-read your post. Your reference to Ezek 13:5 is in error. Dt 18:20-22 is not a quote from Ezk 13:5 nor from Dt 13:5. It is a law of God, that anyone who speaks in Jehovah's name what He had not commanded, and that statement fails to come true, that (false) prophet is to be ignored.
JaySHess 1 year ago
@JaySHess So you are reading into Deu something that is not there. It does not say if it doesn't happen when they say it should. It says if it does not happen at all. Now you cannot deny that the the “battle in the day of Jehovah” is going to happen. So there is not false propehcy there. This is a continuation so please read both comments.
Josiahvidz 1 year ago
@Josiahvidz - No, Dt says that if the word does not happen, that is, what the person describes as going to happen, if it does not happen exactly as spoken. ... And it did not happen exactly as spoken. They claimed it would happen by a particular date, and it did not happen.
JaySHess 1 year ago
@JaySHess You are miss reading here again. I said Deut says that false prophet speaks a word Jehovah did not command him to speak. You cannot claim this either of that statement in the "Know Jehovah" book because it quotes Ez 13:5 when it says the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin. This is the quote from Ezek.
Josiahvidz 1 year ago
Luke 21:8
He said: Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, I am he, and, The due time has approached. Do not go after them.
Do not go after them
Do not go after them
Do not go after them
Do not go after them
A Christian is someone who obeys Jesus Christ.
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isaiah30v8 1 year ago 5
Thanks so much for this video!
I wish I could link one of my answers on Yahoo. I was onto this, but I missed a couple of the quotes in the book (pp 54, 61). May God bless you for the work youre doing in exposing the WTBTS as false prophets, and may He continue to impress upon all our hearts that this battle will be won on our knees. (Eph. 6:12)
Please keep the videos coming, Jay!
peacelily308 1 year ago
If the post does not apply to this video I am deleting the post. This is not a forum for discussing arbitrary JW related issues. Please take it elsewhere. - Thanks
JaySHess 1 year ago
funny comment. The Watchtower's position is clear in their book. They predict that the war had not started in 1971 - the publication date of this book - but the devastating battle would happen in the 20th century. Christendom is still alive and is not even aware that the Watchtower is even in the fight. The Watchtower claims that the 7 trumpets of Revelation happened nearly 100 years ago in Cedar point Ohio. Also funny, who today would say that they experienced those momentous trumpets.
JaySHess 1 year ago 5
The war against Christendom did start in the twentieth century. That statement is not false. Exposing the lies heaped upon people for nearly 2,000 years is a war. People keep faling to realize that the Broad Gate leading to destruction is all the over 38,000 denominations of Christendom. Narrow and cramped is the Road leading to eternal life and Few are the ones finding it. Did you expect that the Truth would be widely accepted?
ladivadivala 1 year ago
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pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
@ladivadivala
Your Jehovah is certainly not a loving God . To force those who wish Salvation to rub shoulders on a cramped road with a False and Wicked prophet. A pity.
dhamamy 1 year ago
thank you so much sir for posting that video this is a great help for me who have love ones that are jw, thank you sir
Only4TheTruth 1 year ago
I believe in Jehovah, but i don't believe the organization is directed by God himself.
I wonder.......
When will Jehovah intervene with human affairs, or maybe he's not concerned with us anymore?
JoJoStar22 1 year ago
Great info. Thanks for posting.
earnestlyseeking 1 year ago
Good Video Jay!
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
Excellent video
jcdied4all 1 year ago