this is raidens main-advantage for noobs i think... cause the "rocket" can exploit all the tiny delays of other chars.... BUT for that, ALMOST all of Raiden Basic Combos delay him when failed.....
FADC guys, how about using d3 to test frame pokes.
I havent played MK9 disc, but in the Demo if my d3 hits, I then d2 uninterrupted.
MK9's d3 gives lots of frame advantage & it back pushes dummy rival so little from Touch Range that the dummy rival losses before getting out of Tip Range.
When getting hit by d3, Jumping out is 1st option, since B damage. In the demo, Scorpion's 3 would often interrupt randomly on tested timing.
@Jink5 P1's d3 vs P2's dB = P2 gets back pushed out of Tip Range after dB-ing 3 to 4 of P1's d3-ing.
Btw FADC guys, in the demo, Scorpion's 1 & 11, SZ's 1, Cage's 1 & 11 has big advantage. Blocking Jab Pokes or getting hit by Jab Pokes = same.
Single Jab or Jabbing advantages: Can't be crouched against, can't jump away, cant be interrupted & slightly back pushes, enough to give a lot of B damage to rival & make them angry. I dont know about MK9 disc, but its in the demo, it's BADONG, it sux.
Something I've yearned for for years and personaly am yet to find in a beat em up is an online training mode, where I can jump in with a friend and practice without worrying about my win/loss record or rankings, or being limited to the length of a round.
If they took some guard damage aspects out of this game it would be WAY better. I think guard damage on projectiles and some special moves is obviously fine, but losing 1% of your life from blocking a jab is pretty dumb. Think about it: You block 5-10 jabs in a round and that's 5-10% of your life gone. I know it forces the players to be aggressive, but come on. Is there an option for Turning it off? And would it be something worth incorporating in tourney mode?
@7eventhSamurai Probably not. MK's always been like that. I like that it discourages turtling but the stages being so big in this game makes it tough to chase down zoners.
@sshplur Yeah, I know it's always been like that. Been playing MK since the original. I agree it discourages turtling, but there's gotta be middle ground somewhere. Like Seb throws out that Sektor string and it takes 4% on block: You block that 3 times in one round and that's 12% life?? Just strikes me as a lot, that's all. It's still a unique, fun and entertaining game though.
@TheWil1991 its not cheap and it doesn't spoil the game, later as time progresses, you will eventually learn that only people that understand and study the frame advanges and practice using them with tactics you've developed(like you say trial and error) over time with whatever character you choose to use to their full potential.
Take UMK3 for example, I can easily stream an infinite combo off of a first hit with half the character roster, if you don't know how to do this, you will lose, fast.
@TheWil1991 they actually made a game that takes skill to master, and even more skill to defeat the masters themselves, which is what games need these days, not games that will hold noobs hands and give equal chance for everyone, thats just boring. A fighting game isn't worth playing if you cannot utterly destroy your opponent with no chance of winning. That is all.
this is raidens main-advantage for noobs i think... cause the "rocket" can exploit all the tiny delays of other chars.... BUT for that, ALMOST all of Raiden Basic Combos delay him when failed.....
FlipsGTS 7 months ago
Great awesome Vid guys! But is there anyway to do this without a friend to come play with you on the same xbox?
D4Gamers 9 months ago
Just Frame Block! nice.
FADC guys, how about using d3 to test frame pokes.
I havent played MK9 disc, but in the Demo if my d3 hits, I then d2 uninterrupted.
MK9's d3 gives lots of frame advantage & it back pushes dummy rival so little from Touch Range that the dummy rival losses before getting out of Tip Range.
When getting hit by d3, Jumping out is 1st option, since B damage. In the demo, Scorpion's 3 would often interrupt randomly on tested timing.
The downside of d3-ing: gives meter to rival.
Jink5 9 months ago
@Jink5 P1's d3 vs P2's dB = P2 gets back pushed out of Tip Range after dB-ing 3 to 4 of P1's d3-ing.
Btw FADC guys, in the demo, Scorpion's 1 & 11, SZ's 1, Cage's 1 & 11 has big advantage. Blocking Jab Pokes or getting hit by Jab Pokes = same.
Single Jab or Jabbing advantages: Can't be crouched against, can't jump away, cant be interrupted & slightly back pushes, enough to give a lot of B damage to rival & make them angry. I dont know about MK9 disc, but its in the demo, it's BADONG, it sux.
Jink5 9 months ago
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Jink5 9 months ago
Something I've yearned for for years and personaly am yet to find in a beat em up is an online training mode, where I can jump in with a friend and practice without worrying about my win/loss record or rankings, or being limited to the length of a round.
Thurrabred 9 months ago
Nice training there, but what to do if you dont have a Partner beside you? How to train such stuff alone?
idddq 9 months ago
Without a training partner, I use a second controller and my feet in for lab stuff. I do not recommend it :(
sshplur 9 months ago
You guys make such a cute couple. I would like to hear more about your date at the park!
reDustt 9 months ago 29
... yo this is good for just learning a game period! Great idea!
Dogysamich 9 months ago
If they took some guard damage aspects out of this game it would be WAY better. I think guard damage on projectiles and some special moves is obviously fine, but losing 1% of your life from blocking a jab is pretty dumb. Think about it: You block 5-10 jabs in a round and that's 5-10% of your life gone. I know it forces the players to be aggressive, but come on. Is there an option for Turning it off? And would it be something worth incorporating in tourney mode?
7eventhSamurai 9 months ago
@7eventhSamurai Probably not. MK's always been like that. I like that it discourages turtling but the stages being so big in this game makes it tough to chase down zoners.
sshplur 9 months ago
@sshplur Yeah, I know it's always been like that. Been playing MK since the original. I agree it discourages turtling, but there's gotta be middle ground somewhere. Like Seb throws out that Sektor string and it takes 4% on block: You block that 3 times in one round and that's 12% life?? Just strikes me as a lot, that's all. It's still a unique, fun and entertaining game though.
7eventhSamurai 9 months ago
why would you wanna find a frame adv that's cheap spoils the game, you should just play the game and find things out naturally and by trail and error
TheWil1991 9 months ago
@TheWil1991 its not cheap and it doesn't spoil the game, later as time progresses, you will eventually learn that only people that understand and study the frame advanges and practice using them with tactics you've developed(like you say trial and error) over time with whatever character you choose to use to their full potential.
Take UMK3 for example, I can easily stream an infinite combo off of a first hit with half the character roster, if you don't know how to do this, you will lose, fast.
MrSlaynn 9 months ago
@TheWil1991 they actually made a game that takes skill to master, and even more skill to defeat the masters themselves, which is what games need these days, not games that will hold noobs hands and give equal chance for everyone, thats just boring. A fighting game isn't worth playing if you cannot utterly destroy your opponent with no chance of winning. That is all.
MrSlaynn 9 months ago
@TheWil1991 this is why ur free
TwiSm69 9 months ago
seb whyy are you staying with sektor lol
yrsmilekillsme 9 months ago
Seb and Damdai, life partners...
It's all good bro, I support your sparring styles.
BHSNgamer 9 months ago
THIS is what me and my partner should be doing!?
kshigsm 9 months ago 16
This would be super useful if MK9 practice mode wasn't awful =(
aburnflags 9 months ago
good info mann
sjakhds 9 months ago
SUPERMAN!
200damary 9 months ago
wow thanks for the idea
the1janitor 9 months ago
Using the same character also helps for this :)
ilovethisgame75 9 months ago 3
Second is a fag
TwiSm69 9 months ago
@TwiSm69 awww damn
emocelot 9 months ago