@kramd1 that may very well be true, but it's not our job to bash them, or to yell insults at them when we se them at their conferences and events. It's the job and indeed the joy of the true Christian to love them, and patiently show them the truth. We have to set the high standard.
So this guy doesn't agree with the LDS people? So what? By all means let him! I think he's cool for being cool about what other people feel. He's open to discussion, and that is constructive. I myself have learned a great deal from discussions with people who think different than myself.
@apolegeticsman Sorry if you received any hate messages. I've learned that no matter what you say, there's always someone who feels offended and feels a need to get cranky. It shows us mormons aren't perfect :)
I watched your other video about why you are not LDS, and your claim that we are saved solely by grace shows some ignorance of the bible on your part.
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works id dead also. -- II Nephi 25:23. ". . . We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."
The highest of all high priests still suggests lower priests, we are going to have to agree to disagree there. As for the golden priesthood I keep hearing people talk about, they can never back it up with scripture. Btw, an example of the debates I had with that guy includes Blood Atonement. He would site the book Mormon Doctrine, but only the first hald of the section on Blood Atonement, never the second half revealing that it was practiced in the time of Moses, but not in modern times.
And even though I provided the full text, so that it wasn 't taken out of context, he would start another question on the same subject and once again exclude the second half of the article and it would go around in circles.
The order of Melchizedek was a one man priesthood. It was not an order in the truest sense, since only one man ever occupied. When God said "you are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek" He was stating among other things that Jesus is the final priest, because unlike flawed men who were in the priesthood of Aaron, Jesus is able to make all who come to Him in faith perfect. Therefore, there is no need for any human priesthoods, because the one Jesus occupies is sufficient for all mankind
That is your interpretation of the bible, but it does not say that. There's no way for me to prove you wrong and no way for you to prove me wrong. Such is the power of individuality.
Please don't use the interpretation excuse, it never did hold a lot of water to begin with. If God's word can not be understood by all who read its simple and plain message, then it is not God's word. The only ones who do not understand it are the spiritually weak or dead that rely on the work of men to show them the truth. Don't listen to me or to Apostle so and so, read God's word. It is a love letter to the world, and it is understandable by all who truly seek to know the truth from it
Go to Gen. 14:18 and Psalms 11o:4 and read what it says. Don't take my word for it, do the work yourself. Then, after you have read those two passages, read Hebrews chapter 5 through 7 and see what the author is saying about Melchizedek, and the comparison between Jesus and Him. Jesus is the final sacrifice for sins, thus His priesthood is eternal, not needing another in His line because He paid the penalty for the sins of all.
You are preaching to the choir. I have been in various churches growing up, and I have studied the bible in great depth, long before I became a Mormon. I had many problems with the interpretations of the other churches I spent time in. They seemed to interpret things in different ways then what made sense to me. I'm not some lifelong Mormon that's spent al my time reading the book of Mormon, despite what you may want to imply
one thing all true Christians agree on 100% is that Jesus is the savior, &that the Bible is God's eternal, unchangeable word. Without those truths at the core of a church, it is not a true church. The true church is all, regardless of denomination who trust 100% in Jesus and Jesus alone to save them; not works, not priests, not temples, not being a good person or being eternally sealed, it is 100% Jesus or nothing. Most denominational differences are surface and easily overlooked
Mormons do believe that Jesus is our Savior, and we do believe that the bible is the word of God just not the only word of God.
By Grace are men saved after all they can do.
Hermas - First or second century, author of the book called 'The Shepherd' (Poimen, Pastor), a work which had great authority in ancient times and was ranked with Holy Scripture
If you get a hold of a catholic encyclopedia, you could look up the pastor Hermas. In his ninth similitude, he actually wrote about Baptism for the dead long before Joseph Smiths time, and he was from the late first century AD.
If Jesus is the savior, then we do not need men to bring us to Him. We do not need priests, prophets and temples, because all of those people and things are part of a system that was put in place to keep people as pure as possible UNTIL the Messiah came. Once the Messiah came and died on the cross, and was resurrected, there was no need for any of those things/people, because He alone is savior, not us, not other men, Jesus PS Have you done all you can do?
As I already stated, just because a Catholic wrote about baptism for the dead does not mean it was a Christian practice. The only mentioning of it in the Bible is a negative, and was simply put there to show how illogical the Corinthians were to doubt Christian resurrection, even though they had formerly practiced baptism for the dead as pagans. It's all there for anyone to see, you just have to look.
Wow, you don't know Paul well, do you? Paul had attitude, he wouldn't have been so nice to the Corinthians if they were practicing a false doctrine. He said basically, why bother practicing Baptism for the Dead if you don't believe in the resurrection? In that situation, if there's no resurrection, there'd be no need to baptize the dead. He did not actually condemn the practice of Baptism for the dead, just there lack of belief in the resurrection.
@apologeticsman Jesus has chosen to share his priesthood with mortals. The ancient apostles had the priesthood. "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater woks than these shall he do..." (John 14:12) Some of the things Jesus did were only possible through the power of the priesthood. If the disciples were to do greater works than Jesus, they had to have that same priesthood. Therefore, the Melchizedek priesthood is indeed an order in the truest sense.
Nobody could do a "greater work" than Jesus, because Jesus as the one and only God became a human and lived a sinless life, dying for the sins of all mankind, past, present and future. It is therefore certain that the "greater" works we do are simply further works, and not greater in the sense of being better. I can not die for anyone's sins, nor can I save anyone or pay for their sins, I am a sinner, and thus am incapable of even approaching the wonder of what Christ did on the cross-cont
The Mosaic priesthood, or as Mormons call it, "Aaronic" was brought into being to perform works in the stead of sinners, i.e. sacrifices etc. In the Mosaic covenant, as well as in the New Testament, it is abundantly clear that the offerings did not truly forgive sins, but only forgave them provisionally. The only true forgiveness came when Jesus died on the cross, defeated sin & death and was raised the 3rd day. No human priest ever forgave a sin, therefore the Aaronic --cont
cont- the Aaronic priesthood was a temporary "fix" so to speak for a permanent problem, i.e. sin. Sin is not merely a single offense against God, but a condition all humans are born into, ever since Adam and Eve fell, so while God may have provisionally forgiven sins by animal sacrifice, He could never truly forgive any sins or sin as a whole without a perfect, willing sacrifice. The only being holy enough to do this was Himself, so He took on the form of a man, and died for our sins.--continued
In conclusion, the Aaronic priesthood was ended when Jesus paid for the sins of the world, because He did away with the need for a human, imperfect priesthood. Nobody can now or ever again join the Aaronic priesthood, because there is no more need for a sacrificial system, since Jesus died "once for all" people. Jesus took His place as the one and ONLY priest in an eternal priesthood, i.e. Melchizedek's & now prefects all who come to Him in faith, by His perfect & universal work on the cross
Now, I don't know you well enough to say whether or not you are an anti-Mormon, but I can tell you how I define an anti-Mormon by telling you about one I met before. This Anti-Mormon was not very bright, he used a standardized list of anti-Mormon lies and I beat him in a debate on point after point. This was on an online forum, answerbag, so when I beat him, he would ask the same question all over again, trying to frighten away possible converts.
So an anti-Mormon, to me, is someone that is so blinded by hate that you can be completely annihilated in a debate, and they still spout the same lies over and over again. By the way, The Ninth Similitude of Hermas, a 1st century christian priest, teaches about Baptism for the dead. That's a non-Mormon reference. I discovered that tidbit on an online Catholic encyclopedia.
Oh, you have not beaten me in a debate, not even close. I could not care less about what Catholics taught, or did, they also teach purgatory and that Jesus is in heaven shedding His blood and shearing off pieces of His flesh every time someone takes communion, that doesn't mean they are right. The people that Paul wrote to about Baptism for the dead were former pagans who were being sucked into a Christian cult that believed in the practice. It was never a practice sanctioned by the apsotles
....For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of aJuda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life."
Wrong. Hebrews calls him the Highest of all High Priests, but not the last. Don't spread lies just because your church has no claim to the true priesthood.
no church has the claim to a priesthood. Jesus abolished the human orders when He paid the price for the sins of the world on the cross. The entire priesthood system was created because of man's fall in the garden and His subsequent decent into wickedness. Priests were never truly given the authority to forgive sins, and indeed were incapable of doing so, since they were sinners as well, Jesus got rid of the Levitical priesthood completely, and became the only priest in the order of Melchizedek
The only human priesthood that is mentioned after the resurrection is the universal priesthood of all believers in Christ, a royal priesthood. There is not one single mentioning of any other Christian priesthood, or of temples or of vicarious acts such as baptism. The entire LDS framework is completely and utterly flawed and comes from a long string of misinterpreted and poorly thought out ideas by one Joseph Smith. Even if there were a Melchizedek order, the Aaronic was clearly done away with
To the maker of this video: I agree completely with you. I don't think that preaching your faith turns you into anti-nothing. If you don't belive in mormon's doctrine, that is your own personal thing. BUT if you try to prove that Mormons are wrong, then that turns you into an Antimormon, doesn't it? Some mormons do that too, try to prove others are wrong, although true mormons don't, they'll just share their beliefs.
No, I don't think trying to prove Mormonism wrong is being anti Mormon. After all, when a Mormon missionary visits a Bible believing Christian, they spend 2 hours trying to tell us we are wrong, and that we need their church, their doctrines and their authority to be saved and to know God. If I am an anti Mormon, they are anti evangelical Christians.
Wrong again. True Mormons do not try to prove others' faith wrong; they try to share theirs beliefs so that others can aske for them selves and see if what they preach is true or not. Arguing about a certain doctrinal subject is not what missionaries and true mormons do. The official position of the Church can be summarized as follows... (cont)
As I understand the Mormon challenge, it is not necessary to read it at all, simply to ask God if it is true, to which He will reply by giving you some sort of sensation that is partly spiritual and part physical. I have read enough of all of the LDS scriptures and writings of the prophets to know they are not God's word. Ask yourself this; is it the aim of the devil to get people to trust God, or to not trust Him? If you answer "to not trust Him" wouldn't the best way be to discredit the Bible?
The book of Mormon doesn't undermine the bible, in fact it has been prophesied within the bible that just such a book would come. The book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ, and it's really sad that you muse that it's ok to not read it. You trust yourself it sounds like more than the Lord. You deny that the Lord can reveal things through promptings of the HOLY GHOST.
The book of Mormon, & the other LDS books do very much defy and undermine the Bible. They teach multiple gods, polygamy, works for salvation, a human god, a Christian priesthood and temple and eternal marriage all of which are either expressly denounced by the Bible, or not mentioned in it. I believe God can do whatever He so desires, but if all one can offer is LDS scriptures as proof that God has done so, I would have to say He hasn't. The Bible NEVER prophesies the coming of JS or the B.O.M.
Latter-day Saints believe in Christ as the Savior, the Redeemer, the Son of God, the Creator of the earth, and the only source of salvation. It is His love and grace that give meaning to life and hope to humanity. We believe in the Bible, which plainly teaches that Christ is our Savior and that all men must repent and come unto Christ to be saved. Some critics proclaim that Mormons are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. I really don't like other people telling me what I believe!
"We solemnly affirm that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in fact a restoration of the Church established by the Son of God...; that it carries His sacred name, even the name of Jesus Christ; that it is built upon a foundation of apostles and prophets, He being the chief cornerstone; that its priesthood ... was restored under the hands of those who held it anciently...."
Well, that is a very good commercial, but it is not the gospel. Since Jesus is the truth, and Jesus has all power and authority given to Him in heaven and on earth, the kind of apostasy you believe in is not possible. The only way there would need to be a restoration of the gospel, is if Jesus failed at His task of preserving it and spreading it in the world by the Holy Spirit. Missionaries are not saviors, thus Jesus does not need them to complete His will on earth.
The Mormon CULT needs Joseph to be saved Not Jesus!
"If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, pp. 1-350.)
"If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." LDS Mormon Apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670
"...all men in the latter days must turn to Joseph Smith to gain salvation. Why?The answer is clear and plain; let it be spoken with seven thunders. He alone can bring them the gospel; he alone can perform for them the ordinances of salvation and exaltation; he stands,as have all the prophets of all the ages in their times and seasons,in the place and stead of the Heavenly One in administering salvation to men on earth."
Exactly, that is why your religion is not true, because Jesus and the apostles say over and over again that it is Jesus, as the Holy Spirit who brings us the truth, not an apostle and not a prophet. Apostles and prophets are but simple messengers who were used to establish the truth of Jesus and the gospel in written form, then after that, when the Bible was completed, God ceased to send those men. Had God desired to send more, I GUARANTEE you He would not have waited 1400 years to do it.
Baptist think everyone is going to hell. They are the first ones to tell you that. MORMONS are cool. Yes they do have some nut jobs in their church but most mormons have a clue. The so called born-again christians are the ones that get in your face about religion. Most of the ones I talked to are born again from drug addiction or something like that and they found religion in the process. They are weak minded fools and are quick to say hurtful things about others beliefs.
Beachlady78 your full of shit. I went to a baptist church and heard how every religion is bad and if I do anything I will go to hell. Dont say stupid shit if your going to contradict yourself
mindgame250, please watch your language on my channel, children watch my videos, thanks. I am a member of a Baptist church, but I am not a Baptist, I am saved by faith in Jesus. I don't know which church you went to, but no Baptist church I ever went to says that all religions are bad and only we are going to heaven. What all true Christians do believe is that anyone of any religion or church who trusts in anything or anyone besides or in addition to Jesus is lost. That is the Bible, not me.
I used to be LDS...made a member under false pretenses. My "testimony" was based on falsehoods. Real mormon beliefs and history is shocking!
I am not anti "mormon." If fact I think quite a few mormons are christian. They would fit the definition.
NOW Mormonism is what is not christian. Some LDS leaders are not christian, based on their teachings, and the hateful words that have come out of their mouths.
There were very few negative comments in the comment board for the video you mention. And certainly few if any at all which refer to you as anti-mormon. If you had made one claiming to be LDS, trying to refute any other religion, I guarentee you would have many more negative comments.
Well, the LDS do not "refute" other religions as much as they try to tell us that we are missing some sort of plain and precious truths. The problem with that is that if the Book Of Mormon really is God's word, then it would have been written by the same God who inspired the Bible, and as such would have to line up with the Bible,& could not make the claim that God allowed mere mortals to change or corrupt His word. I am trying to bring people back to a basic understanding of who God really is.
That does reply to the main issue in my comment. That being that there were none that I could see claiming you were anti-mormon, and many from LDS were very positive.
None of the things you listed make you an Anti-Mormon. Here is a quote from Encyclopedia of Mormonism:
"Anti-Mormonism incl. any hostile or polemic opposition to Mormonism or to the LDS, such as maligning the founding prophet, his successors, or the doctrines or practices of the Church. Though sometimes well intended, anti-Mormon publications have often taken the form of invective, falsehood, demeaning caricature, prejudice, and legal harassment, leading to both verbal and physical assault."
Ok, so if I have a legitimate qualm with Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, etc. and can back that up with hard data and historical fact, does that make me anti Mormon? I see so many people accusing Christian apologists of anti Mormonism, because they say things like "Joseph Smith changed his original vision story several times" or "Brigham Young taught that Adam was actually God" etc. and to me, if I was Mormon, I would want to be made aware of these things, so I could make a more informed
decision about something that will affect my eternity and the eternity of my family. There is a Bible verse that comes to mind and I have often wondered if Mormons have ever read it. It is in Galatians 4:16 which states, "So then, have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?" The word for enemy in Greek in this verse is "echthros" and one of the applications is opposing or in modern terms against. So, the question is, if I speak the truth in love, have I become an enemy, i.e. an "anti"?
you're a cool guy. You've studied unbiassedly and determined what you found false. I'm a little sad, but that is your choice.
One thing though. About the teachings of Latter-Day Prophets. If you don't regard the teachings, it appears that you don't believe in modern day revelation. If god does not continue to reveal his will toward us, than he must not love us, then he must not be god.
I don't know that He doesn't reveal Himself to us, but two things must be mentioned. First,The Bible says that the word of God is alive, and sharper than any two edged sword. This means that the Bible is not merely words on a page, but it is a living force, a "living prophet" if you will, so God does reveal Himself to us that way. Also, Jesus said that when He departed physically from the earth, He was leaving the Holy Spirit in His place to remind the world of sin, righteousness and of judgment
My question to you is. Have you ever sought out and prayed about the truth of the Book of Mormon and what it teaches? Have you ever read the teachings of the latter day prophets? If you have not I hope you will.
Unfortunately, this is not how God tells us to find truth. God tells us to study His word, and to test Him and try Him, if we have doubts. The Mormon idea of praying to ask if something is true is not Biblical, and is also very dangerous, because A. we already know LDS scriptures conflict with the Bible and B. there is no way to know who the answer is coming from. God said through Paul tha even if an angel brought us a gospel unlike the one in the Bible, we were not to believe it.
hummm, there is so much confusion in your words: A) List at least 2 contradictions of the BoM with the Bible; and B) Read James 1:4-8 and learn in humility the way the Lord reveals His truths... be humble...
# During Jesus' ministry He spoke of His church as something in the future.
Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
After Christ's resurrection and the day of Pentecost we read "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." (Acts 2:47) continued
@apologeticsman 1Corinthians 12:28 The Church at the times of Jesus was established by God: "And God hath set some in the church, first aapostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." The verse you mention refers to the Church in Latter Days, saying that, since he was to be away from earth, revelation from him was the foundation.
In the Old Testament the only ones who could be priests were the descendants of Levi, one of the twelve sons of Israel.
Numbers 3:9-10 "And thou shalt give the Levites unto Aaron and to his sons: they are wholly given unto him out of the children of Israel. And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death" (See also Numbers 8:6-26). continued--
However, the Book of Mormon story claims that descendants of the tribe of Manasseh (Alma 10:3) were made priests.
2 Nephi 5:26 "And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did consecrate Jacob and Joseph, that they should be priests and teachers over the land of my people."
@apologeticsman Hebrews 7:11-16 "If therefore aperfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the apriesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar...
exactly, perfection was not in the Levitical (Aaronic) priesthood, therefore it came to an end in Jesus. Jesus did away with all earthly priesthoods, and became the one and only priest, an eternal and high priest and became the author and finisher of the faith. Therefore, no more need of a priesthood of men is needed, Jesus perfects all who come to Him in faith.
You sound like most people who are opinionated which I respect a lot. My question to you is simply this...do you study to disprove the LDS church, OR do you study to confirm their beliefs. I've ready the Bible a million times and in no where does it contradict the LDS church or the Book of Mormon, or the Doctrine and Covenants, etc. I guarantee that if you look to discredit something, you'll always find an issue-Look what happened to Christ. I challenge you to credit the church..
If the LDS doctrines don't conflict with the Bible, we should all believe that by faith in Christ, everyone can escape judgment in hell, and live together with Him forever. If the Bible & the LDS doctrines don't conflict, we should all believe that works, church ,membership, baptism and being good have no bearing on receiving the gift of Jesus, and we should all believe that God is incapable of allowing His word to be corrupted. If you agree with those things, I'll see you at church Sunday.
Actually, no I don't I have had over 8 years to experience LDS doctrines, LDS life and have spoken to dozens or even hundreds of LDS missionaries. I have read most if not all of the LDS scriptures, including some of the more controversial ones such as the Journal of Discourses, and I am close to about 20 LDS people and have gained a great understanding of their beliefs and reasons for believing what they believe. After all of that, I simply reject what they believe based on God's word the Bible
Hi, I haven't seen your other videos. You don't sound that ANTI to me. I suppose if you are going to put videos on here telling Mormons, Jews, Catholics, Muslims or whatever all the reasons you disagree with them then you have to expect a bit of negative feed back. LDS missionaries go out and invite all to Come unto Christ and be a part of the restored gospel. They don't set out to put other religions down. It is great that you express your own beliefs and opinions without anger and hate.
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kramd1 6 months ago
@kramd1 that may very well be true, but it's not our job to bash them, or to yell insults at them when we se them at their conferences and events. It's the job and indeed the joy of the true Christian to love them, and patiently show them the truth. We have to set the high standard.
apologeticsman 6 months ago
So this guy doesn't agree with the LDS people? So what? By all means let him! I think he's cool for being cool about what other people feel. He's open to discussion, and that is constructive. I myself have learned a great deal from discussions with people who think different than myself.
@apolegeticsman Sorry if you received any hate messages. I've learned that no matter what you say, there's always someone who feels offended and feels a need to get cranky. It shows us mormons aren't perfect :)
anguish416 1 year ago
I watched your other video about why you are not LDS, and your claim that we are saved solely by grace shows some ignorance of the bible on your part.
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
jacoultas 1 year ago
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works, shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaachis son upon the alter?
jacoultas 1 year ago
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works id dead also. -- II Nephi 25:23. ". . . We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."
jacoultas 1 year ago
I beat you on one point, that the book of Hebrews calls Christ the Highest Priest after the Order of Melchizedek, not the last priest.
jacoultas 1 year ago
the high priest in an order that only ever had one priest in it is the only priest. Think about it.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
The highest of all high priests still suggests lower priests, we are going to have to agree to disagree there. As for the golden priesthood I keep hearing people talk about, they can never back it up with scripture. Btw, an example of the debates I had with that guy includes Blood Atonement. He would site the book Mormon Doctrine, but only the first hald of the section on Blood Atonement, never the second half revealing that it was practiced in the time of Moses, but not in modern times.
jacoultas 1 year ago
And even though I provided the full text, so that it wasn 't taken out of context, he would start another question on the same subject and once again exclude the second half of the article and it would go around in circles.
jacoultas 1 year ago
The order of Melchizedek was a one man priesthood. It was not an order in the truest sense, since only one man ever occupied. When God said "you are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek" He was stating among other things that Jesus is the final priest, because unlike flawed men who were in the priesthood of Aaron, Jesus is able to make all who come to Him in faith perfect. Therefore, there is no need for any human priesthoods, because the one Jesus occupies is sufficient for all mankind
apologeticsman 1 year ago
That is your interpretation of the bible, but it does not say that. There's no way for me to prove you wrong and no way for you to prove me wrong. Such is the power of individuality.
jacoultas 1 year ago
Please don't use the interpretation excuse, it never did hold a lot of water to begin with. If God's word can not be understood by all who read its simple and plain message, then it is not God's word. The only ones who do not understand it are the spiritually weak or dead that rely on the work of men to show them the truth. Don't listen to me or to Apostle so and so, read God's word. It is a love letter to the world, and it is understandable by all who truly seek to know the truth from it
apologeticsman 1 year ago
Go to Gen. 14:18 and Psalms 11o:4 and read what it says. Don't take my word for it, do the work yourself. Then, after you have read those two passages, read Hebrews chapter 5 through 7 and see what the author is saying about Melchizedek, and the comparison between Jesus and Him. Jesus is the final sacrifice for sins, thus His priesthood is eternal, not needing another in His line because He paid the penalty for the sins of all.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
You are preaching to the choir. I have been in various churches growing up, and I have studied the bible in great depth, long before I became a Mormon. I had many problems with the interpretations of the other churches I spent time in. They seemed to interpret things in different ways then what made sense to me. I'm not some lifelong Mormon that's spent al my time reading the book of Mormon, despite what you may want to imply
jacoultas 1 year ago
one thing all true Christians agree on 100% is that Jesus is the savior, &that the Bible is God's eternal, unchangeable word. Without those truths at the core of a church, it is not a true church. The true church is all, regardless of denomination who trust 100% in Jesus and Jesus alone to save them; not works, not priests, not temples, not being a good person or being eternally sealed, it is 100% Jesus or nothing. Most denominational differences are surface and easily overlooked
apologeticsman 1 year ago
Mormons do believe that Jesus is our Savior, and we do believe that the bible is the word of God just not the only word of God.
By Grace are men saved after all they can do.
Hermas - First or second century, author of the book called 'The Shepherd' (Poimen, Pastor), a work which had great authority in ancient times and was ranked with Holy Scripture
jacoultas 1 year ago
If you get a hold of a catholic encyclopedia, you could look up the pastor Hermas. In his ninth similitude, he actually wrote about Baptism for the dead long before Joseph Smiths time, and he was from the late first century AD.
jacoultas 1 year ago
If Jesus is the savior, then we do not need men to bring us to Him. We do not need priests, prophets and temples, because all of those people and things are part of a system that was put in place to keep people as pure as possible UNTIL the Messiah came. Once the Messiah came and died on the cross, and was resurrected, there was no need for any of those things/people, because He alone is savior, not us, not other men, Jesus PS Have you done all you can do?
apologeticsman 1 year ago
As I already stated, just because a Catholic wrote about baptism for the dead does not mean it was a Christian practice. The only mentioning of it in the Bible is a negative, and was simply put there to show how illogical the Corinthians were to doubt Christian resurrection, even though they had formerly practiced baptism for the dead as pagans. It's all there for anyone to see, you just have to look.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
Wow, you don't know Paul well, do you? Paul had attitude, he wouldn't have been so nice to the Corinthians if they were practicing a false doctrine. He said basically, why bother practicing Baptism for the Dead if you don't believe in the resurrection? In that situation, if there's no resurrection, there'd be no need to baptize the dead. He did not actually condemn the practice of Baptism for the dead, just there lack of belief in the resurrection.
jacoultas 1 year ago
@apologeticsman Jesus has chosen to share his priesthood with mortals. The ancient apostles had the priesthood. "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater woks than these shall he do..." (John 14:12) Some of the things Jesus did were only possible through the power of the priesthood. If the disciples were to do greater works than Jesus, they had to have that same priesthood. Therefore, the Melchizedek priesthood is indeed an order in the truest sense.
JediMormon 1 year ago
Nobody could do a "greater work" than Jesus, because Jesus as the one and only God became a human and lived a sinless life, dying for the sins of all mankind, past, present and future. It is therefore certain that the "greater" works we do are simply further works, and not greater in the sense of being better. I can not die for anyone's sins, nor can I save anyone or pay for their sins, I am a sinner, and thus am incapable of even approaching the wonder of what Christ did on the cross-cont
apologeticsman 1 year ago
The Mosaic priesthood, or as Mormons call it, "Aaronic" was brought into being to perform works in the stead of sinners, i.e. sacrifices etc. In the Mosaic covenant, as well as in the New Testament, it is abundantly clear that the offerings did not truly forgive sins, but only forgave them provisionally. The only true forgiveness came when Jesus died on the cross, defeated sin & death and was raised the 3rd day. No human priest ever forgave a sin, therefore the Aaronic --cont
apologeticsman 1 year ago
cont- the Aaronic priesthood was a temporary "fix" so to speak for a permanent problem, i.e. sin. Sin is not merely a single offense against God, but a condition all humans are born into, ever since Adam and Eve fell, so while God may have provisionally forgiven sins by animal sacrifice, He could never truly forgive any sins or sin as a whole without a perfect, willing sacrifice. The only being holy enough to do this was Himself, so He took on the form of a man, and died for our sins.--continued
apologeticsman 1 year ago
In conclusion, the Aaronic priesthood was ended when Jesus paid for the sins of the world, because He did away with the need for a human, imperfect priesthood. Nobody can now or ever again join the Aaronic priesthood, because there is no more need for a sacrificial system, since Jesus died "once for all" people. Jesus took His place as the one and ONLY priest in an eternal priesthood, i.e. Melchizedek's & now prefects all who come to Him in faith, by His perfect & universal work on the cross
apologeticsman 1 year ago
Now, I don't know you well enough to say whether or not you are an anti-Mormon, but I can tell you how I define an anti-Mormon by telling you about one I met before. This Anti-Mormon was not very bright, he used a standardized list of anti-Mormon lies and I beat him in a debate on point after point. This was on an online forum, answerbag, so when I beat him, he would ask the same question all over again, trying to frighten away possible converts.
jacoultas 1 year ago
So an anti-Mormon, to me, is someone that is so blinded by hate that you can be completely annihilated in a debate, and they still spout the same lies over and over again. By the way, The Ninth Similitude of Hermas, a 1st century christian priest, teaches about Baptism for the dead. That's a non-Mormon reference. I discovered that tidbit on an online Catholic encyclopedia.
jacoultas 1 year ago
Oh, you have not beaten me in a debate, not even close. I could not care less about what Catholics taught, or did, they also teach purgatory and that Jesus is in heaven shedding His blood and shearing off pieces of His flesh every time someone takes communion, that doesn't mean they are right. The people that Paul wrote to about Baptism for the dead were former pagans who were being sucked into a Christian cult that believed in the practice. It was never a practice sanctioned by the apsotles
apologeticsman 1 year ago
....For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of aJuda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life."
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
Yes, Jesus is the eternal and final priest.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
Wrong. Hebrews calls him the Highest of all High Priests, but not the last. Don't spread lies just because your church has no claim to the true priesthood.
jacoultas 1 year ago
no church has the claim to a priesthood. Jesus abolished the human orders when He paid the price for the sins of the world on the cross. The entire priesthood system was created because of man's fall in the garden and His subsequent decent into wickedness. Priests were never truly given the authority to forgive sins, and indeed were incapable of doing so, since they were sinners as well, Jesus got rid of the Levitical priesthood completely, and became the only priest in the order of Melchizedek
apologeticsman 1 year ago
The only human priesthood that is mentioned after the resurrection is the universal priesthood of all believers in Christ, a royal priesthood. There is not one single mentioning of any other Christian priesthood, or of temples or of vicarious acts such as baptism. The entire LDS framework is completely and utterly flawed and comes from a long string of misinterpreted and poorly thought out ideas by one Joseph Smith. Even if there were a Melchizedek order, the Aaronic was clearly done away with
apologeticsman 1 year ago
To the maker of this video: I agree completely with you. I don't think that preaching your faith turns you into anti-nothing. If you don't belive in mormon's doctrine, that is your own personal thing. BUT if you try to prove that Mormons are wrong, then that turns you into an Antimormon, doesn't it? Some mormons do that too, try to prove others are wrong, although true mormons don't, they'll just share their beliefs.
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
No, I don't think trying to prove Mormonism wrong is being anti Mormon. After all, when a Mormon missionary visits a Bible believing Christian, they spend 2 hours trying to tell us we are wrong, and that we need their church, their doctrines and their authority to be saved and to know God. If I am an anti Mormon, they are anti evangelical Christians.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
Wrong again. True Mormons do not try to prove others' faith wrong; they try to share theirs beliefs so that others can aske for them selves and see if what they preach is true or not. Arguing about a certain doctrinal subject is not what missionaries and true mormons do. The official position of the Church can be summarized as follows... (cont)
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
"Respect others' faith, because the same principle that offends others, offends us" (Stated by a Porphet of the Church)
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
I respect your views and opinions, as should everyone else.
I read this,( I am not totally aware if this is true or not)
Mormon properly translated is " more good." The Mormon religon is bulit upon christianity.'
Emma10105 2 years ago
The word/name Mormon is unique to the religion of Mormonism, as are Moroni and Telestial to name a couple.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
You didn't declare in your video whether or not you have read the book of mormon for yourself cover to cover.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
As I understand the Mormon challenge, it is not necessary to read it at all, simply to ask God if it is true, to which He will reply by giving you some sort of sensation that is partly spiritual and part physical. I have read enough of all of the LDS scriptures and writings of the prophets to know they are not God's word. Ask yourself this; is it the aim of the devil to get people to trust God, or to not trust Him? If you answer "to not trust Him" wouldn't the best way be to discredit the Bible?
apologeticsman 2 years ago
The book of Mormon doesn't undermine the bible, in fact it has been prophesied within the bible that just such a book would come. The book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ, and it's really sad that you muse that it's ok to not read it. You trust yourself it sounds like more than the Lord. You deny that the Lord can reveal things through promptings of the HOLY GHOST.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
The book of Mormon, & the other LDS books do very much defy and undermine the Bible. They teach multiple gods, polygamy, works for salvation, a human god, a Christian priesthood and temple and eternal marriage all of which are either expressly denounced by the Bible, or not mentioned in it. I believe God can do whatever He so desires, but if all one can offer is LDS scriptures as proof that God has done so, I would have to say He hasn't. The Bible NEVER prophesies the coming of JS or the B.O.M.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
That is hillarious, but ok if you say so.
I don't know where you get the notion, perhaps in utter rebellion from your family.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
How would rebellion against my family cause me to believe that LDS scriptures are not inspired of God?
apologeticsman 2 years ago
Latter-day Saints believe in Christ as the Savior, the Redeemer, the Son of God, the Creator of the earth, and the only source of salvation. It is His love and grace that give meaning to life and hope to humanity. We believe in the Bible, which plainly teaches that Christ is our Savior and that all men must repent and come unto Christ to be saved. Some critics proclaim that Mormons are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. I really don't like other people telling me what I believe!
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
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LDSapologist71 2 years ago
Well, that is a very good commercial, but it is not the gospel. Since Jesus is the truth, and Jesus has all power and authority given to Him in heaven and on earth, the kind of apostasy you believe in is not possible. The only way there would need to be a restoration of the gospel, is if Jesus failed at His task of preserving it and spreading it in the world by the Holy Spirit. Missionaries are not saviors, thus Jesus does not need them to complete His will on earth.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
The Mormon CULT needs Joseph to be saved Not Jesus!
"If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, pp. 1-350.)
"If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." LDS Mormon Apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670
llegalPlayer 2 years ago
Joesph Smith saves Mormons
"...all men in the latter days must turn to Joseph Smith to gain salvation. Why?The answer is clear and plain; let it be spoken with seven thunders. He alone can bring them the gospel; he alone can perform for them the ordinances of salvation and exaltation; he stands,as have all the prophets of all the ages in their times and seasons,in the place and stead of the Heavenly One in administering salvation to men on earth."
--Bruce R. McConkie,The Millennial Messiah, 334
llegalPlayer 2 years ago
Exactly, that is why your religion is not true, because Jesus and the apostles say over and over again that it is Jesus, as the Holy Spirit who brings us the truth, not an apostle and not a prophet. Apostles and prophets are but simple messengers who were used to establish the truth of Jesus and the gospel in written form, then after that, when the Bible was completed, God ceased to send those men. Had God desired to send more, I GUARANTEE you He would not have waited 1400 years to do it.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
Baptist think everyone is going to hell. They are the first ones to tell you that. MORMONS are cool. Yes they do have some nut jobs in their church but most mormons have a clue. The so called born-again christians are the ones that get in your face about religion. Most of the ones I talked to are born again from drug addiction or something like that and they found religion in the process. They are weak minded fools and are quick to say hurtful things about others beliefs.
cburris01 2 years ago 2
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Lalapunzi 2 years ago
Beachlady78 your full of shit. I went to a baptist church and heard how every religion is bad and if I do anything I will go to hell. Dont say stupid shit if your going to contradict yourself
mindgame250 2 years ago
mindgame250, please watch your language on my channel, children watch my videos, thanks. I am a member of a Baptist church, but I am not a Baptist, I am saved by faith in Jesus. I don't know which church you went to, but no Baptist church I ever went to says that all religions are bad and only we are going to heaven. What all true Christians do believe is that anyone of any religion or church who trusts in anything or anyone besides or in addition to Jesus is lost. That is the Bible, not me.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
I used to be LDS...made a member under false pretenses. My "testimony" was based on falsehoods. Real mormon beliefs and history is shocking!
I am not anti "mormon." If fact I think quite a few mormons are christian. They would fit the definition.
NOW Mormonism is what is not christian. Some LDS leaders are not christian, based on their teachings, and the hateful words that have come out of their mouths.
Thats fact.
beachlady78 2 years ago
lol.. do you live in Utah or something?
I definately don't think you're anti-mormon.
and yes, i am mormon.
yellowiam 2 years ago
There were very few negative comments in the comment board for the video you mention. And certainly few if any at all which refer to you as anti-mormon. If you had made one claiming to be LDS, trying to refute any other religion, I guarentee you would have many more negative comments.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago 2
Well, the LDS do not "refute" other religions as much as they try to tell us that we are missing some sort of plain and precious truths. The problem with that is that if the Book Of Mormon really is God's word, then it would have been written by the same God who inspired the Bible, and as such would have to line up with the Bible,& could not make the claim that God allowed mere mortals to change or corrupt His word. I am trying to bring people back to a basic understanding of who God really is.
apologeticsman 3 years ago
That does reply to the main issue in my comment. That being that there were none that I could see claiming you were anti-mormon, and many from LDS were very positive.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
en lugar de hacer criticas de religion baja de peso
actionbb 3 years ago
Ja! Sehr gut mein freund! (Was bedeutet das?)
apologeticsman 3 years ago
None of the things you listed make you an Anti-Mormon. Here is a quote from Encyclopedia of Mormonism:
"Anti-Mormonism incl. any hostile or polemic opposition to Mormonism or to the LDS, such as maligning the founding prophet, his successors, or the doctrines or practices of the Church. Though sometimes well intended, anti-Mormon publications have often taken the form of invective, falsehood, demeaning caricature, prejudice, and legal harassment, leading to both verbal and physical assault."
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Ok, so if I have a legitimate qualm with Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, etc. and can back that up with hard data and historical fact, does that make me anti Mormon? I see so many people accusing Christian apologists of anti Mormonism, because they say things like "Joseph Smith changed his original vision story several times" or "Brigham Young taught that Adam was actually God" etc. and to me, if I was Mormon, I would want to be made aware of these things, so I could make a more informed
apologeticsman 3 years ago
Very good point. I person. wouldn't consider such a person an Anti-M. Here is the differ,:
*If you quote a few statem. made by B. Young that confirm that he did believe in the Adam-God theory - that doesn't make you an Anti-Mormon.
*If you say that the LDS Church used to believe in Adam-God theory, etc. - you would be lying and in my mind I would question your integrity.
In my opinion the Anti-Mormons carry very specific spirit with them. Truth or love is absent in their publications.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
decision about something that will affect my eternity and the eternity of my family. There is a Bible verse that comes to mind and I have often wondered if Mormons have ever read it. It is in Galatians 4:16 which states, "So then, have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?" The word for enemy in Greek in this verse is "echthros" and one of the applications is opposing or in modern terms against. So, the question is, if I speak the truth in love, have I become an enemy, i.e. an "anti"?
apologeticsman 3 years ago
you're a cool guy. You've studied unbiassedly and determined what you found false. I'm a little sad, but that is your choice.
One thing though. About the teachings of Latter-Day Prophets. If you don't regard the teachings, it appears that you don't believe in modern day revelation. If god does not continue to reveal his will toward us, than he must not love us, then he must not be god.
Kearevaans 3 years ago
I don't know that He doesn't reveal Himself to us, but two things must be mentioned. First,The Bible says that the word of God is alive, and sharper than any two edged sword. This means that the Bible is not merely words on a page, but it is a living force, a "living prophet" if you will, so God does reveal Himself to us that way. Also, Jesus said that when He departed physically from the earth, He was leaving the Holy Spirit in His place to remind the world of sin, righteousness and of judgment
apologeticsman 3 years ago
My question to you is. Have you ever sought out and prayed about the truth of the Book of Mormon and what it teaches? Have you ever read the teachings of the latter day prophets? If you have not I hope you will.
HaloDude321 3 years ago
Unfortunately, this is not how God tells us to find truth. God tells us to study His word, and to test Him and try Him, if we have doubts. The Mormon idea of praying to ask if something is true is not Biblical, and is also very dangerous, because A. we already know LDS scriptures conflict with the Bible and B. there is no way to know who the answer is coming from. God said through Paul tha even if an angel brought us a gospel unlike the one in the Bible, we were not to believe it.
apologeticsman 3 years ago
hummm, there is so much confusion in your words: A) List at least 2 contradictions of the BoM with the Bible; and B) Read James 1:4-8 and learn in humility the way the Lord reveals His truths... be humble...
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
# During Jesus' ministry He spoke of His church as something in the future.
Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
After Christ's resurrection and the day of Pentecost we read "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." (Acts 2:47) continued
apologeticsman 1 year ago
@apologeticsman 1Corinthians 12:28 The Church at the times of Jesus was established by God: "And God hath set some in the church, first aapostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." The verse you mention refers to the Church in Latter Days, saying that, since he was to be away from earth, revelation from him was the foundation.
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.
Mosiah 18:17 "And they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward."
apologeticsman 1 year ago
In the Old Testament the only ones who could be priests were the descendants of Levi, one of the twelve sons of Israel.
Numbers 3:9-10 "And thou shalt give the Levites unto Aaron and to his sons: they are wholly given unto him out of the children of Israel. And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death" (See also Numbers 8:6-26). continued--
apologeticsman 1 year ago
However, the Book of Mormon story claims that descendants of the tribe of Manasseh (Alma 10:3) were made priests.
2 Nephi 5:26 "And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did consecrate Jacob and Joseph, that they should be priests and teachers over the land of my people."
apologeticsman 1 year ago
@apologeticsman Hebrews 7:11-16 "If therefore aperfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the apriesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar...
MarcoFenelon 1 year ago
exactly, perfection was not in the Levitical (Aaronic) priesthood, therefore it came to an end in Jesus. Jesus did away with all earthly priesthoods, and became the one and only priest, an eternal and high priest and became the author and finisher of the faith. Therefore, no more need of a priesthood of men is needed, Jesus perfects all who come to Him in faith.
apologeticsman 1 year ago
You sound like most people who are opinionated which I respect a lot. My question to you is simply this...do you study to disprove the LDS church, OR do you study to confirm their beliefs. I've ready the Bible a million times and in no where does it contradict the LDS church or the Book of Mormon, or the Doctrine and Covenants, etc. I guarantee that if you look to discredit something, you'll always find an issue-Look what happened to Christ. I challenge you to credit the church..
kni00002 3 years ago 2
If the LDS doctrines don't conflict with the Bible, we should all believe that by faith in Christ, everyone can escape judgment in hell, and live together with Him forever. If the Bible & the LDS doctrines don't conflict, we should all believe that works, church ,membership, baptism and being good have no bearing on receiving the gift of Jesus, and we should all believe that God is incapable of allowing His word to be corrupted. If you agree with those things, I'll see you at church Sunday.
apologeticsman 3 years ago
if you agree and act like Tavlo, you are definitely ANTImormon!
you have a very self serving and superficial understanding of the LDS beliefs.
omiolo1 3 years ago
Actually, no I don't I have had over 8 years to experience LDS doctrines, LDS life and have spoken to dozens or even hundreds of LDS missionaries. I have read most if not all of the LDS scriptures, including some of the more controversial ones such as the Journal of Discourses, and I am close to about 20 LDS people and have gained a great understanding of their beliefs and reasons for believing what they believe. After all of that, I simply reject what they believe based on God's word the Bible
apologeticsman 3 years ago
Hi, I haven't seen your other videos. You don't sound that ANTI to me. I suppose if you are going to put videos on here telling Mormons, Jews, Catholics, Muslims or whatever all the reasons you disagree with them then you have to expect a bit of negative feed back. LDS missionaries go out and invite all to Come unto Christ and be a part of the restored gospel. They don't set out to put other religions down. It is great that you express your own beliefs and opinions without anger and hate.
2morrowman 3 years ago