@Sivels So it's all in the mind.Can it not be said then that all the problems of the world stem from the fight of our individual minds (self-consciousness/ego) with the collective mind of reality/nature (the subconscious)?Anarcho-capitalism can never work because it is based on a survivalist/competitive philosophy,which symbolises the struggle of the worldview of our ego's (consciousness/left-brain) over reality (subconsciousness/right brain). Humans aren't selfish, our egos are selfish.
@nielss4 the world doesn't have any problems. only people. Anarcho-capitalism is the only logically consistent system that exists according to the principles that serve the selfish wellbeing of the individual. All other systems are various forms of slavery or altruistic rackets..
@Sivels Selfishness isn't freedom, it's prison, of your own mind (or shall I say: prison of your True Self by your false self/ego). Altruism is the true path of freedom, where gradually the ego is replaced by your True Self. It's a matter of perception, and may I have to add that no true altruistic societies have yet existed, only false ones. And yes, altruism is also selfish, because it's based on give --> receive (synergy/abundance). Selfishness is based on receive --> give (scarcity).
@Sivels Ofcourse, because you're always looking "out there" for answers. (could be wrong though). And if you haven't looked "within" yet, why should humanity thrust you for providing the solutions? solutions which are meaningless, because if you don't know your inner subconscious mind, you certainly don't know what the subconscious mind of humanity wants.Conflict is then the inevitable consequence, hence why you probs like anarcho-capitalism so much, since it's based on 'happy conflict'.
@nielss4 sorry, self-knowledge - what you're talking about, has nothing to do with altruism, quite the opposite. Actualizing your true self is just about as selfish as it gets.
@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your EGO (short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. This is what is meant by karma (because if you hurt another, the subconscious is hurt, thus you are hurt), which our ego (self-conscious mind) cannot see by it's very nature.
@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your EGO (short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. This is what is meant by karma (because if you hurt another, the subconscious is hurt, thus you are hurt), which our ego (self-conscious mind) cannot see by it's very nature.
@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your ego (short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. This is what is meant by karma (because if you hurt another, the subconscious is hurt, thus you are hurt), which our ego (self-conscious mind) cannot see by it's very nature.
@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your EGO (self-conscious outer mind/short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (hyper-conscious inner mind/long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. See Carl Jung -->
@nielss4 I'm sure your two comments were highly interesting (NOT) - Maybe I would have read them if you hadn't started your comment with an ad hom. That tells me all I need to know about you. Fuck off.
@Sivels Also, you may say that science has proved humans are selfish by nature because of survival of the fittest. HA!! Not at all, science has only proved that animals are selfish. Why? Duh, since they are not yet self-conscious!! Their job is to separate themselves from the collective unconscious first, by developing an ego. Our job is to reintegrate back into the collective unconscious, while keeping the ego. Survival of the fittest does not apply to humans, only survival of the Ego.
this movie has many, meanings the violent ways of industrial civilisation the cultureless nature of the ones who put greed before need,the film is based on the the struggle of the amazonian natives as the cultureless ones want to build 60 mega dams on the amazon river flooding vast areas and habitats these people live and rely on.
@kurlym0e The story is based on a tale of two Spaniards who survived a shipwreck on the coast of the New World. One of them integrated into the society of the Natives and one didn't. So, when the Spanish came, one of the Spaniards happily told the conquistadors everything they wanted to know, how to hit the locals the hardest, the other one wanted to protect and stay with his new family and life. The techologically superior Spaniards then fought the more primitive locals. No happy ending.
I don't really agree with the metaphors used to describe the movie, Again, another person who in my opinion failed to understand the moral lessons in the movie...
this is a great review, but for a different movie. You are over thinking James Cameron. He's a good director. not a fucking genius. His skill is striking visuals so he adapted Pochahantas the Walt Disney Film to a futuristic setting.
Despite the characters of this movie feeling overly predictable, the dialogue generally dull, and more emphasis placed on visuals than actual storytelling, I do feel it is genuinely an anti-war, anti-exploitation film as you've described, as well as one of personal growth. It would have been nice if the film spent as much time making other parts besides just the graphics good quality, but even taken for what it was, what you spoke of still holds true.
The video is really good, but your ending is exquisite. I loved Avatar and I figured I definitely wouldn't as it was sci-fi. I saw the movie as symbolic of the founding of America as well; the unobtainium as buffalo hides, land, etc. and the sacred tree as burial grounds disrespected or the extent to which the "Great Spirit"/naturalism was replaced by the Judeo-Christian "civilizing" of tribal culture/beliefs. How long does one weep/grieve for what can not be changed? Maybe he ran out of tears.
@hermanpotato I was surprised to hear a positive review from Stefan - I saw it as leftist propaganda. But I guess that's the difference between the AnCaps and the Tea Party, isn't it?
Well put my friend.. Like Jake it is our time to awaken less we must experience the savage slaughter and destruction of most of our Race and Planet before we can be reborn to appreciate all that was lost and must then be regained. I have found a message left for Humanity by the Benevolent Races that are spoken of by William Cooper and Phil Schneider in their lectures.. The Military Industrial Complex have sided with the Killers and sell our children as payment for Tech. Links on my Channel..
I did not get so deep in my associations. I found it a lot more shallow and knowing what I know about David Cameron, I bet I am more spot on, and I don't need 13 minutes.
The miners and military respresent American economic and military power.
The Na'vi represent indeginous/foreign people victimized by the empires endless lust for resources.
@saldownik I think it was that she was an exploiter as well, but more subtly. He says: "her science is entirely paid for by the brutal exploitations of corporate militarism; this is he corrupt cohabitation of the science and the state that funds most modern research"
In Avatar, i saw some pre-programming of a constantly promoted consiousness shift of "utopic" unity and spams for the (then, uncoming) global warming/climate change/ice age- save the planet-nasty humans exaling dirty co2...and stuff. ; )
Your take on it was verry interesting and you've cornered some good psychology concepts. You have sharp sight.
I think it should be mentioned that the aliens of that world were able to connect with Nature in a physical way, which allowed so much more Evolution between Nature and the species along with animals around them....
Cant imagine Life if Humanity could connect with nature on a physical realm rather than just spirtitual @.@
Avatar is actually an awakening to pantheism, or the insight that the the division between the individual and the collective is articifial and all existence in the universe is interconnected. Empathy for non-humans is an obvious and essential aspect thereof but Avatar goes way beyond just empathy.
Having said that, I would agree that there is a direct connection between empathy, the unconscious and the pantheist concept of nature as a living organism although empathy can be conscious.
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linguist of the world have ascertained that the indigenous languages are the most expressive in the world ..+ rooted in nature communication = direct experience = understanding real scientific evidence .. that is why most Native Amarucan indians on this continent have a very coherent memorization of what certain medicinal plants are good for etc.. we established the Kaianerekowa Haudenosaunee ="In Every Deliberation We Must Consider The Impact of Our Decisions On The Next Seven Generations" ....
stefbot's video audio @ 9:38 says "primitive cultures are almost always brutal with their children"...this is a logical fallacy ...& a very ignorant blanket statement ... that has very little anthropological evidence to support this claim ! most paleolithic indigenous human beings for thousands of years-if not millions lived in relative symbiotic-reciprocal relationship to their ecology because of an understanding of the interconnectedness of all creation...mitakuye oyasin * cangleska wahkan
stefbot I agree on you on several fronts i.e stateless societies but on this vid
at 9:38 you say something along the lines of' primitive cultures are almost always brutal with their children'. That's not true. In many African cultures that were destroyed by European colonialists the highest ideal was that of personal and social responsibility. What's more these societies also were child-centric. Though not technologically advanced they lived in a much better world than we do. Please do research
i beleive when he says they are brutal to their children, is to prepare the children for a harsh living environment. If we codled our children like we do today when they have to fend off flesh eating dinosaurs and sabre toothed tigers, and gun toting ewoks, they would be easy prey---the brutalizing of the children was to face a brutal environment--side point to this brutality, women bleed to signify the menarchy right of passage, males had to face some trauma in order to pass to manhood
Stefan, your interpretation of Avatar was quite interesting, definitely held some nuggets of truth. However, I must contend with your assertion that "primitive cultures are almost always brutal towards their own children". I'm really not sure where you're getting this but, that notion ITSELF is anthropologically absurd. Many tribal/band societies actually treat their children very well... some even have a policy of NEVER scolding/punishing children no matter what they do.
"Unfortunately movies, by their very nature, cannot portray inner conflict, and so any progression toward more evolved mental states is usually portrayed through brutal and seemingly endless physical violence. In real life, we outgrow evil by leaving it behind, not by engaging in it in spectacular battles. But this cannot be shown in movies. Moviemakers always succumb to the shallow desire for drama and brutal spectacle. That is one of the hallmarks of evil."
Love your analysis here, though I have to disagree with your claim that "primitive" peoples are almost always "brutal" to their children. This is generally not the case with hunter-gatherer peoples, and I wonder why you believe it to be true. This is not to say that hunter-gatherers are "noble savages" who are NEVER violent or NEVER brutal. But as a general rule, anthropologists who have studied hunter-gatherers note that abuse of all kinds tends to be minimal, including that toward children.
Maybe it's just me but I didn't feel any of that. The villans were cartoonishly evil assholes and the Na'vi were pure natives who could do no wrong. There was no gray area, no understandable reason behind the villians actions besides simple greed or mindless violence. There was no reason to side with them because they were the sat morning cartoon villians who were evil just because.
Stefan, if you're so anti State, why would you support a piece of propaganda whose only conclusions lie in the creation of a federated World State? The nation state is bad enough, a world state will be that tyranny to the nth degree.
Dude, Alex Jones isn't meant to be taken seriously. Sure, he mixes real current events and then builds a story from them to scare you. He's Orson Welles for the 2000s. His voice is too perfect for the kind of program he does.
@trajan74 I take what A Jones says seriously. If you take away the theatrics you're left with facts. And the facts are serious and incontrovertible. And because they're facts they're not fantasy. And you SHOULD be worried.
Stefan is a self obsessed neurotic. This film isn't about any of those things. It's a NWO propaganda piece promoting Agenda 21, collectivism, sustainable development, world socialism, multiculturalism, anti Christianism, paganism, earth worship, virtual reality(mind control),etc.etc. The solution to the world doesn't lie in reforming yourself but understanding the true nature of the world around you.
Haha, aye and the fat controller is a metaphor for the Illuminati. Infact, the whole of thomas the tank engine programme represents the world after we are all enslaved by satan in the inevitable battle between good and evil!!!
@sniffMaGusset I think the battle has already been waged and Satan's already won looking at the shit for brains round where I live. even Thomas had a soul.
We are born innocent, virtuous, and empathetic This is a tired cliché that keeps getting repeated and not only is it irrelevant but it is not particularly true. Infants and the very young have not even developed a sense of self as has been shown through testing. In fact children are often impulsive, self-centered, and even cruel. If they are so virtuous then why is so much effort placed into teaching them how to treat others?
But the media would never allow critisism of the official propaganda out in the open. As they are OWNED and controlled by the same people that profit from perpetual conflicts.
Wow you really have thought about this! Good work. I loved the film...and think it has many great messages....Matrix still is the one I think can change us the most.
I think the giant network mentioned might be a reference to the internet. They connect their pony tales to the tree and connect with the rest of the world.
I dunno if cameron looked at the point of view as the narrator did, but id say that one of camerons intentions was how we are destroying our world through exploitation and greed because this is currently hapening right now and in the avatar film it mentions earth has lost it's mother meaning mother nature has gone and most life on earth is all but dead and he is possibly a promoter of preserving earth and this was one of his points.
Nice review. Tottaly blows away the people who say that characters in avatar are "one dimensional" and that plot weak iand a ripoff of Pocahontas or dances with wolves. Even though script for avatar is actually older the the previous 2 movie.
I found the whole literal connection with nature thing to be Cameron's projection of the collective-unconscious's desire for a cybernetically networked society. Although what will actually happen will occur through metal, not wood and hair.
Awesome interpretations, my friend. I also was overwhelmed with joy as I watched the movie and could see many metaphors. I personally like the initiation process of Jake. How he became a man. "Never give a sword to a man who can't dance" Throughout the movie he grows. The initiation required Jake to love - Nature, other cultures, etc - and only then can he become a warrior, a man. He wanted it in that scene where he said he must finish it. This initiation process is what so many of us lack today
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I couldn't stand watching much of this video. Symbolism isn't hard to institute or interpret when the story is cardboard. Reenacting the birth of a child doesn't contribute anything to intellectual discussion. In fact, symbolism has often been the refuge of philosophical meanderings.
Next time I'll analyze "When Mars Attacks" and assert that the aliens represent physical adversity, in that their ray-guns reduce men to ash: the utmost representation of death.
I never thought that deep into the movie avatar I just finished it quite amazing how much symobolism I have missed thanks for posting and as for "ending violence" if you truly want to see why we cant you need only look in a new way man has a desire to dominate be it in beliefs ideas or possesions so eventually there are people who would continue to try to dominate and violence is the result of competion to find out whos right whos wrong whos small whos big whos smart and whos not
After paying $13 for a ticket, I wanted to enjoy Avatar, but I just couldnt. Bottom Line? It was completely forgettable. Yes, thats right. Im saying the film with giant alien birds and floating mountains was forgettable. It was like a beautiful nature hike with a terrible guide. Jake Sully is the most bland action hero of all time.
There is absolutely nothing interesting about him.
Id like to bring up two other sci-fi movies that follow the same story formula as Avatar: Enemy Mine and District 9. In both of these films the hero also learns the value of alien life and fights for them against evil humans. A strength in both films is the development of character as shown through the heros transformation. Im not just talking about a change of sides, but a change of personality and demeanor.
The heroes in these movies grow into completely different people. Jake Sully, however, remains just as bland as he started at the beginning of the story. Yes, he has sex with an alien. Yes he fights on their side. But he more or less behaves like the same person. And he isnt very interesting. Even Neo in The Matrix played by an actor infamous for having as much dramatic range as a block of wood shows more of a transformation.
Of course, Im willing to forgive these things (and heavy handed expository dialog). After all, the story is comparable to a fairy tale, and not everything has to make sense. What I cant forgive is weak character development. And it wasn't that Jake Sullys character was subtle. The Lives of Others has a subtle hero that follows a similar journey. Jake Sully was simply non-existent.
You draw a lot of conclusions when you do reviews like this, to that point that you're trying to be a mind reader of the writer(s) / director. Your conclusions certainly aren't bad, but they're probably beyond what the writer(s) / director had even intended; it's strange to me that you just present this stuff like it's fact that you've magically confirmed. BTW, Avatar is another name for Lucifer / Satan somewhere in the Bible (can't recall where), and "Hell's Gate" is also used in this movie.
". . .but they're probably beyond what the writer(s) / director intended" How the hell do you know what Cameron (the writer/director) intended? Are you clairvoyant? Can you read peoples' minds? The bottom line is that you don't know a damn thing about Cameron's intentions and you're expressing a point of view that is driven by subjectivity and bias, like almost all of the people who hate "Avatar."
I said probably, not 'are', unlike the person who made this video. It is ridiculous to think his highly specific guesses on someone else's intentions are correct. Shouldn't your comment be directed at him and not me? Do you think the creators of this movie put such deep thought into it like the video poster stated, and that what they intended is exactly what the video poster said they did? If so, what is your reasoning? Do you you think the video poster is a mind reader, too? TY for necro'ing.
this movie is about Gai worship,becoming one with nature.Also the Nephilim, merging alien DNA with humans (hence Giants).James Camereon is also a 33rd degree free mason and is illuminated into the occult.
So you imply that fallen angels merging with humans are one of the greatest transformations? hmm in Genesis God sent a flood to destroy those Giants and the corruption of man's bloodline
What I take from this is how Singapore and Hong Kong or wherever else the British have gone became more prosperous than their past and also their neighbors, who lived in squalor. Thank God for British imperialism. Unfortunately, this can't be said of the French.
this is some deep stuff. i noticed a few hints during the movie but never directly observed the stuff you pointed out , but i can understand the metaphors now you have outlined them. i dont know if this is all coincidence/we are lookin too deeply into it, or whether james cameron is actually a genius and put all these ideas into his masterpiece. great film anyways
its not just an insult to proclaim things about the meaning of that word but it insults the value of holy words of all religions... where disregard for one is present there is disregard for all* its a holy word*
As a child i was raised Sikh and was given the name Avatar Singh Khalsa at the age of 12 by Harbhajan Singh Khalsa Yogiji, known as Yogi Bhajan. back then when the meaning of words really meant something it had a completely different meaning and has for thousands of years... You might want to look into the reality and very important meaning of a word before making posts about something of such reverence...
I think it's more important to understand that in reality words are a collection of letters or sounds we make with our lips and vocal chords. The importance of their meaning is beneficial for communication but the words themselves are never as important as the intent of the commumicator.
if thats all you know of words then you have no understanding of words and no place to speak on the subject* if the power of the word was that simple oh what a world we would live in...
Our little exchange here kind of proves my point. We're using words to try and communicate something much more subtle. For example in one culture the sound of a word may be highly offensive where in another it might be a term of affection. I think many people like to feel offended because it offers them some identity and words are often the weapon used.
I'm not offended in the slightest. I'm simply respectful. it has to start with someone, why not myself. who knows, maybe people will stop trying to be right and start doing the right thing instead... and please don't start a conversation about the definition of the "right thing" lol have a good night*
Your intent to be respectful is admired but surely it's more important to be respectful of fellow human beings themselves than the words they use. Words can never be "holy". In fact they don't actually exist. Thanks for the chat:)
"in the beginning there was the word" and they certainly did not mean letters put together to form words as you know it... and it certainly existed... its the word that is the root creative force behind existence.
words as you know it are 2, 3, and 4 dimensional concepts. in order for you to understand what I'm really talking about you'd have to evolve to understand fifth dimensional thinking. like it or not.. that's all i can give you at this point. But we are on our way.. the best we know how... good night* for real;)
lol and now your an expert on the state of mind of a man who live so long ago at a time you cant possibly imagine the reality of his personal experiences? sounds like your a man that knows all. maybe i should start listening to your words and teachings. After all your all about treating other human beings with respect right? By the way, there was no message. I'm done talking to brick walls who only know how to be right. try being wrong some time, you might learn something*
PS. when you have studied things as many years as i have with a wealth of personal experiences to back it all up then feel free to comment on these subjects. Until then.. not to be rude but.. or "inhumane".. but your just making an ass out of yourself. Good luck with life Mr. Right
This is similar to how I feel about Avatar. A lot of people I talk to say its about saving the enviroment but I strongly disagree. Avatar was about learning to have empathy for people you do not understand. One of the most beautiful human traits is what when someone sees another as similar to themselves, the desire to kill or exploit disappears(unless they are a sociopath). Empathy is truely the only way we will see a world without violence.
It can't be about both? Must it only have one singular meaning/analogy? I think not. This movie highlights many insane practices of our civilization, which encompasses more than just empathy for foreigners (which is also quite important).
The movie reminded me of "the last samurai"... mixed with "Dune"... Paul Atreides turning against the empire, the worm taming, the spice, the Fremen, etc.... the similarities are quite obvious...
"THE SPICE MUST FLOW"
Nothing in Avatar is new and for that, I didn't enjoy it very much. It's just old recycled metaphors with crazier eye-candy.
"The earth does not belong to Man, it is Man who belongs to the earth"
What bothers me most is that so few people are aware that they are being constantly propagandized by the devious and deceitful leftists in Hollywood. Most people just sit there and let their minds by filled with lies and distortions.
I agree Will. The movie is one sided. It's basically stating that all business is evil and profit is evil. Like stef says, it propagates the noble savage fallacy, i.e. white/western culture is evil while natives/minorities have superior morals. Let's not forget that some of the most ruthless totalitarian dictators in history (Stalin, Kim Jong-il) came from leftist movements.
Incredible review. I did see the movie twice, on Dec 18th and Dec 27th.. first at an IMAX3d then at a Dolby3d theater. I thought this was just the most incredible movie. I have had high hopes for this movie. I wasn't let down at all. the Avatar people don't even look CGI. I am 100% for sure without a doubt getting this movie on Blu-ray. I want to see it again at the D3d theater. Go see this movie, now.. It's worth the IMAX price.
But you forgot that jake ( a white man) had to conquer the people by capturing the huge dragon, something rare in their native culture. Basically its the white man gets empathy and helps em unite, thats whack.
Now this is a true review by a true reviewer.. not a fake one! just hearing his voice is enough to judge him.. that he's honest in all what he's explaining, unlike those crap homeless ppl for sure.. who were paid money to ruin the movie for bad purpose! I just can't get this movie out of my mind!! I saw it last week in cinema.. and still want to see it.. again and again.. a great movie and the best after Titanic.. I wish if J.Cameron wd grab all the oscar awards for this masterpiece movie.
This is one "deeply" video. =p
elvinhickma12k 1 week ago
this movie is the new definition of cultural marxism.
Sivels 2 months ago
@Sivels "Cultural marxism", does that even exist?
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 Does political correctness? Yes, in the minds of people. In reality, no.
Sivels 1 month ago
@Sivels So it's all in the mind.Can it not be said then that all the problems of the world stem from the fight of our individual minds (self-consciousness/ego) with the collective mind of reality/nature (the subconscious)?Anarcho-capitalism can never work because it is based on a survivalist/competitive philosophy,which symbolises the struggle of the worldview of our ego's (consciousness/left-brain) over reality (subconsciousness/right brain). Humans aren't selfish, our egos are selfish.
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 the world doesn't have any problems. only people. Anarcho-capitalism is the only logically consistent system that exists according to the principles that serve the selfish wellbeing of the individual. All other systems are various forms of slavery or altruistic rackets..
Sivels 1 month ago
@Sivels Selfishness isn't freedom, it's prison, of your own mind (or shall I say: prison of your True Self by your false self/ego). Altruism is the true path of freedom, where gradually the ego is replaced by your True Self. It's a matter of perception, and may I have to add that no true altruistic societies have yet existed, only false ones. And yes, altruism is also selfish, because it's based on give --> receive (synergy/abundance). Selfishness is based on receive --> give (scarcity).
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 I have no idea what you are saying.
Sivels 1 month ago
@Sivels Ofcourse, because you're always looking "out there" for answers. (could be wrong though). And if you haven't looked "within" yet, why should humanity thrust you for providing the solutions? solutions which are meaningless, because if you don't know your inner subconscious mind, you certainly don't know what the subconscious mind of humanity wants.Conflict is then the inevitable consequence, hence why you probs like anarcho-capitalism so much, since it's based on 'happy conflict'.
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 sorry, self-knowledge - what you're talking about, has nothing to do with altruism, quite the opposite. Actualizing your true self is just about as selfish as it gets.
Sivels 1 month ago
@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your EGO (short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. This is what is meant by karma (because if you hurt another, the subconscious is hurt, thus you are hurt), which our ego (self-conscious mind) cannot see by it's very nature.
nielss4 1 month ago
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@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your EGO (short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. This is what is meant by karma (because if you hurt another, the subconscious is hurt, thus you are hurt), which our ego (self-conscious mind) cannot see by it's very nature.
nielss4 1 month ago
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@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your ego (short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. This is what is meant by karma (because if you hurt another, the subconscious is hurt, thus you are hurt), which our ego (self-conscious mind) cannot see by it's very nature.
nielss4 1 month ago
@Sivels NO IDIOT! Actualizing your EGO (self-conscious outer mind/short-term gratification) is just about as selfish as it gets. Actualizing your True Self (hyper-conscious inner mind/long-term gratification) is just about as selfless as it gets, since the True Self sees the reality that all our minds are inherintly connected through the collective unconscious. See Carl Jung -->
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 I'm sure your two comments were highly interesting (NOT) - Maybe I would have read them if you hadn't started your comment with an ad hom. That tells me all I need to know about you. Fuck off.
Sivels 1 month ago
@Sivels Also, you may say that science has proved humans are selfish by nature because of survival of the fittest. HA!! Not at all, science has only proved that animals are selfish. Why? Duh, since they are not yet self-conscious!! Their job is to separate themselves from the collective unconscious first, by developing an ego. Our job is to reintegrate back into the collective unconscious, while keeping the ego. Survival of the fittest does not apply to humans, only survival of the Ego.
nielss4 1 month ago
The philosophy of the movie you knew was there, if only subconsiously, is brought into the consciousness.
StandingWithJason 2 months ago
Wow!! Such a brilliant review. Who could deny your elegant explanation?
StandingWithJason 2 months ago
I think you are reading way too much into the film.
09KEVO09 3 months ago
Avatar is a load of hippie, anti human rubbish.
mojomarshman77 3 months ago
Insightful review.
Pierrot047 3 months ago 3
its true he seems like he didnt give a shit about his twin??
abdi1983 4 months ago
Sorry Stef Its The Smurfs In Space!!
la2111 4 months ago
this movie has many, meanings the violent ways of industrial civilisation the cultureless nature of the ones who put greed before need,the film is based on the the struggle of the amazonian natives as the cultureless ones want to build 60 mega dams on the amazon river flooding vast areas and habitats these people live and rely on.
kurlym0e 4 months ago
@kurlym0e The story is based on a tale of two Spaniards who survived a shipwreck on the coast of the New World. One of them integrated into the society of the Natives and one didn't. So, when the Spanish came, one of the Spaniards happily told the conquistadors everything they wanted to know, how to hit the locals the hardest, the other one wanted to protect and stay with his new family and life. The techologically superior Spaniards then fought the more primitive locals. No happy ending.
0mega7000 4 months ago
I don't really agree with the metaphors used to describe the movie, Again, another person who in my opinion failed to understand the moral lessons in the movie...
nanogeekpro 6 months ago
@nanogeekpro you mean marxist lessons in the movie?
IWantToUnderstandIt 3 months ago
@IWantToUnderstandIt I'm not an expert on Marxism, other than the fact that it's a failed socio economic system...
nanogeekpro 3 months ago
@nanogeekpro The moral lesson of this movie is that humans are evil and have so much to learn from space indians. Ridiculous of course.
IWantToUnderstandIt 3 months ago
I loved this movie, and the plot, I think that many critics of the story failed to actually understand it...
nanogeekpro 6 months ago 2
this is a great review, but for a different movie. You are over thinking James Cameron. He's a good director. not a fucking genius. His skill is striking visuals so he adapted Pochahantas the Walt Disney Film to a futuristic setting.
theCRMartin11 6 months ago
These metaphors aren't "clear"... I could easily make some different associations
UrbyKris 6 months ago
Despite the characters of this movie feeling overly predictable, the dialogue generally dull, and more emphasis placed on visuals than actual storytelling, I do feel it is genuinely an anti-war, anti-exploitation film as you've described, as well as one of personal growth. It would have been nice if the film spent as much time making other parts besides just the graphics good quality, but even taken for what it was, what you spoke of still holds true.
swordsman1600 7 months ago 2
Avatar...one of the most over rated movies of all time.
hermanpotato 7 months ago 18
Awsome!
StarRosePink 8 months ago
The video is really good, but your ending is exquisite. I loved Avatar and I figured I definitely wouldn't as it was sci-fi. I saw the movie as symbolic of the founding of America as well; the unobtainium as buffalo hides, land, etc. and the sacred tree as burial grounds disrespected or the extent to which the "Great Spirit"/naturalism was replaced by the Judeo-Christian "civilizing" of tribal culture/beliefs. How long does one weep/grieve for what can not be changed? Maybe he ran out of tears.
PawnBACM 8 months ago
I just can't wait for the 2nd movie to come out.
puertoricanboy2008 8 months ago
I couldn't get over the anti-capitalist overtones.
KneelingAtlas 9 months ago
@KneelingAtlas Me too.
hermanpotato 7 months ago
@hermanpotato I was surprised to hear a positive review from Stefan - I saw it as leftist propaganda. But I guess that's the difference between the AnCaps and the Tea Party, isn't it?
john42t 6 months ago
I really don't think the writers or directors of this film went this deep into their interpretation. That gives Hollywood WAY too much credit.
SixthDaySD 9 months ago
Well put my friend.. Like Jake it is our time to awaken less we must experience the savage slaughter and destruction of most of our Race and Planet before we can be reborn to appreciate all that was lost and must then be regained. I have found a message left for Humanity by the Benevolent Races that are spoken of by William Cooper and Phil Schneider in their lectures.. The Military Industrial Complex have sided with the Killers and sell our children as payment for Tech. Links on my Channel..
sweet6b9 10 months ago
Quite frankly, Stefan's reviews make flat films seem purposeful.
Epifrin 11 months ago 15
@Epifrin ?this is thhe LEAST flat movie of ALL TIME
Etrajbe 10 months ago
I did not get so deep in my associations. I found it a lot more shallow and knowing what I know about David Cameron, I bet I am more spot on, and I don't need 13 minutes.
The miners and military respresent American economic and military power.
The Na'vi represent indeginous/foreign people victimized by the empires endless lust for resources.
American industry and military : Bad
Environmentally concious peace loving indiginous: Good.
ACRanger13 11 months ago 2
what is this fatal moral weakness of the good mother?
saldownik 1 year ago
@saldownik I think it was that she was an exploiter as well, but more subtly. He says: "her science is entirely paid for by the brutal exploitations of corporate militarism; this is he corrupt cohabitation of the science and the state that funds most modern research"
geezb 11 months ago
In Avatar, i saw some pre-programming of a constantly promoted consiousness shift of "utopic" unity and spams for the (then, uncoming) global warming/climate change/ice age- save the planet-nasty humans exaling dirty co2...and stuff. ; )
Your take on it was verry interesting and you've cornered some good psychology concepts. You have sharp sight.
Lepiratepoulpe 1 year ago
I think it should be mentioned that the aliens of that world were able to connect with Nature in a physical way, which allowed so much more Evolution between Nature and the species along with animals around them....
Cant imagine Life if Humanity could connect with nature on a physical realm rather than just spirtitual @.@
sillyhooker35 1 year ago
Avatar is actually an awakening to pantheism, or the insight that the the division between the individual and the collective is articifial and all existence in the universe is interconnected. Empathy for non-humans is an obvious and essential aspect thereof but Avatar goes way beyond just empathy.
Having said that, I would agree that there is a direct connection between empathy, the unconscious and the pantheist concept of nature as a living organism although empathy can be conscious.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 1 year ago
he was only crippled, he could breath! the mask was because the air is toxic to humans.
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Haudenosaunee4 1 year ago
linguist of the world have ascertained that the indigenous languages are the most expressive in the world ..+ rooted in nature communication = direct experience = understanding real scientific evidence .. that is why most Native Amarucan indians on this continent have a very coherent memorization of what certain medicinal plants are good for etc.. we established the Kaianerekowa Haudenosaunee ="In Every Deliberation We Must Consider The Impact of Our Decisions On The Next Seven Generations" ....
Haudenosaunee4 1 year ago
stefbot's video audio @ 9:38 says "primitive cultures are almost always brutal with their children"...this is a logical fallacy ...& a very ignorant blanket statement ... that has very little anthropological evidence to support this claim ! most paleolithic indigenous human beings for thousands of years-if not millions lived in relative symbiotic-reciprocal relationship to their ecology because of an understanding of the interconnectedness of all creation...mitakuye oyasin * cangleska wahkan
Haudenosaunee4 1 year ago
stefbot I agree on you on several fronts i.e stateless societies but on this vid
at 9:38 you say something along the lines of' primitive cultures are almost always brutal with their children'. That's not true. In many African cultures that were destroyed by European colonialists the highest ideal was that of personal and social responsibility. What's more these societies also were child-centric. Though not technologically advanced they lived in a much better world than we do. Please do research
modogray 1 year ago
Before I start I just want to say I am a new listener to your work and that you have a fan in me :)
This is a gnostic film that is in the same vein as films like Inception , Matrix and The Truman Show.
robinmitchell1972 1 year ago
@robinmitchell1972 : To me more precise, Avatar is a pantheist film. The philosophy behind the story is 100% pantheist.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 1 year ago
@FishKungfu0 lol.... he sure do!
MJFG100 1 year ago
District 9 > Avatar
EnergizerBunny804 1 year ago 4
If I had to guess, this narrator overall thought very low of the film and it's "in-your-face" enviromarxism.
XanatharEye 1 year ago
@XanatharEye - Keep guessing.
taijiredlion 1 year ago
@taijiredlion So deep and original
XanatharEye 1 year ago
i beleive when he says they are brutal to their children, is to prepare the children for a harsh living environment. If we codled our children like we do today when they have to fend off flesh eating dinosaurs and sabre toothed tigers, and gun toting ewoks, they would be easy prey---the brutalizing of the children was to face a brutal environment--side point to this brutality, women bleed to signify the menarchy right of passage, males had to face some trauma in order to pass to manhood
SKERLOK 1 year ago
@SKERLOK Great points, well said
XanatharEye 1 year ago
Stefan, your interpretation of Avatar was quite interesting, definitely held some nuggets of truth. However, I must contend with your assertion that "primitive cultures are almost always brutal towards their own children". I'm really not sure where you're getting this but, that notion ITSELF is anthropologically absurd. Many tribal/band societies actually treat their children very well... some even have a policy of NEVER scolding/punishing children no matter what they do.
IngeniousEpithet 1 year ago 2
You made a great video. I really enjoyed this movie and it's great watching this.
vegantree 1 year ago
Awesome observation, Stefan:
"Unfortunately movies, by their very nature, cannot portray inner conflict, and so any progression toward more evolved mental states is usually portrayed through brutal and seemingly endless physical violence. In real life, we outgrow evil by leaving it behind, not by engaging in it in spectacular battles. But this cannot be shown in movies. Moviemakers always succumb to the shallow desire for drama and brutal spectacle. That is one of the hallmarks of evil."
daimonmagus 1 year ago
Love your analysis here, though I have to disagree with your claim that "primitive" peoples are almost always "brutal" to their children. This is generally not the case with hunter-gatherer peoples, and I wonder why you believe it to be true. This is not to say that hunter-gatherers are "noble savages" who are NEVER violent or NEVER brutal. But as a general rule, anthropologists who have studied hunter-gatherers note that abuse of all kinds tends to be minimal, including that toward children.
goodwifeweaver 1 year ago
Maybe it's just me but I didn't feel any of that. The villans were cartoonishly evil assholes and the Na'vi were pure natives who could do no wrong. There was no gray area, no understandable reason behind the villians actions besides simple greed or mindless violence. There was no reason to side with them because they were the sat morning cartoon villians who were evil just because.
Stunning visuals but mediocre story.
capthavic 1 year ago
Avatar one of my favourite films of all time :)
RedDevileire 1 year ago
Stefan, if you're so anti State, why would you support a piece of propaganda whose only conclusions lie in the creation of a federated World State? The nation state is bad enough, a world state will be that tyranny to the nth degree.
dharmashooter 1 year ago
@dharmashooter
Dude, Alex Jones isn't meant to be taken seriously. Sure, he mixes real current events and then builds a story from them to scare you. He's Orson Welles for the 2000s. His voice is too perfect for the kind of program he does.
trajan74 1 year ago 3
@trajan74 I take what A Jones says seriously. If you take away the theatrics you're left with facts. And the facts are serious and incontrovertible. And because they're facts they're not fantasy. And you SHOULD be worried.
dharmashooter 1 year ago
@trajan74 YES
XanatharEye 1 year ago
@trajan74 Alex Jones, I believe, Is more believeable than anybody else with a simmilar job (Beck,Limbaugh, ect.)
Blakewor 1 year ago
Stefan is a self obsessed neurotic. This film isn't about any of those things. It's a NWO propaganda piece promoting Agenda 21, collectivism, sustainable development, world socialism, multiculturalism, anti Christianism, paganism, earth worship, virtual reality(mind control),etc.etc. The solution to the world doesn't lie in reforming yourself but understanding the true nature of the world around you.
dharmashooter 1 year ago
@dharmashooter
Haha, aye and the fat controller is a metaphor for the Illuminati. Infact, the whole of thomas the tank engine programme represents the world after we are all enslaved by satan in the inevitable battle between good and evil!!!
sniffMaGusset 1 year ago
@sniffMaGusset I think the battle has already been waged and Satan's already won looking at the shit for brains round where I live. even Thomas had a soul.
dharmashooter 1 year ago
Integral Avatar! Awesome! :-)
carolm62 1 year ago
We are born innocent, virtuous, and empathetic This is a tired cliché that keeps getting repeated and not only is it irrelevant but it is not particularly true. Infants and the very young have not even developed a sense of self as has been shown through testing. In fact children are often impulsive, self-centered, and even cruel. If they are so virtuous then why is so much effort placed into teaching them how to treat others?
Heathen531 1 year ago
But the media would never allow critisism of the official propaganda out in the open. As they are OWNED and controlled by the same people that profit from perpetual conflicts.
unsheepled 1 year ago
Stefbot have you seen Idiocracy? I know on the surface it seems a bit banal and cheap.However it shows how a lot of people function(barely) today
unsheepled 1 year ago
Wow you really have thought about this! Good work. I loved the film...and think it has many great messages....Matrix still is the one I think can change us the most.
LifeTurnAroundNow 1 year ago
I think the giant network mentioned might be a reference to the internet. They connect their pony tales to the tree and connect with the rest of the world.
modelmark 1 year ago
I dunno if cameron looked at the point of view as the narrator did, but id say that one of camerons intentions was how we are destroying our world through exploitation and greed because this is currently hapening right now and in the avatar film it mentions earth has lost it's mother meaning mother nature has gone and most life on earth is all but dead and he is possibly a promoter of preserving earth and this was one of his points.
Cozzi0 1 year ago
good break down o the movie. but the movie was only new in that it was in a new 3d format. it was every nice to look at but thats about all
kokofan50 1 year ago
Nice review. Tottaly blows away the people who say that characters in avatar are "one dimensional" and that plot weak iand a ripoff of Pocahontas or dances with wolves. Even though script for avatar is actually older the the previous 2 movie.
MrPrankmastergeneral 1 year ago 5
Thanks
Adipatus 1 year ago
I found the whole literal connection with nature thing to be Cameron's projection of the collective-unconscious's desire for a cybernetically networked society. Although what will actually happen will occur through metal, not wood and hair.
StanwoodDesign 1 year ago
You've missed the point overtalking obvious. Sir.
macieksmutek 1 year ago
Awesome interpretations, my friend. I also was overwhelmed with joy as I watched the movie and could see many metaphors. I personally like the initiation process of Jake. How he became a man. "Never give a sword to a man who can't dance" Throughout the movie he grows. The initiation required Jake to love - Nature, other cultures, etc - and only then can he become a warrior, a man. He wanted it in that scene where he said he must finish it. This initiation process is what so many of us lack today
CABEZA872006 1 year ago 4
"but they're probably beyond what the writer(s) / director had even intended;"
yeah, shakespeare/sophocles/etc probably didn't intend what they wrote in their plays
axeeI 1 year ago 2
Hold on, hold on.
Are you telling me that the protagonist is characterized by positive human qualities, and the villain is characterized by negative human qualities???
And the protagonist starts out in a state of destitution, is faced with a challenge he/she must overcome, but then emerges in a better state???
anonymous11441144 2 years ago
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I couldn't stand watching much of this video. Symbolism isn't hard to institute or interpret when the story is cardboard. Reenacting the birth of a child doesn't contribute anything to intellectual discussion. In fact, symbolism has often been the refuge of philosophical meanderings.
Next time I'll analyze "When Mars Attacks" and assert that the aliens represent physical adversity, in that their ray-guns reduce men to ash: the utmost representation of death.
anonymous11441144 2 years ago
See how the herd of Avatar fanboys gave you seven thumbs down for being intellectually honest. They don't care about reason.
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broadsword303 2 years ago
I never thought that deep into the movie avatar I just finished it quite amazing how much symobolism I have missed thanks for posting and as for "ending violence" if you truly want to see why we cant you need only look in a new way man has a desire to dominate be it in beliefs ideas or possesions so eventually there are people who would continue to try to dominate and violence is the result of competion to find out whos right whos wrong whos small whos big whos smart and whos not
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After paying $13 for a ticket, I wanted to enjoy Avatar, but I just couldnt. Bottom Line? It was completely forgettable. Yes, thats right. Im saying the film with giant alien birds and floating mountains was forgettable. It was like a beautiful nature hike with a terrible guide. Jake Sully is the most bland action hero of all time.
mjm4gx 2 years ago
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There is absolutely nothing interesting about him.
Id like to bring up two other sci-fi movies that follow the same story formula as Avatar: Enemy Mine and District 9. In both of these films the hero also learns the value of alien life and fights for them against evil humans. A strength in both films is the development of character as shown through the heros transformation. Im not just talking about a change of sides, but a change of personality and demeanor.
mjm4gx 2 years ago
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The heroes in these movies grow into completely different people. Jake Sully, however, remains just as bland as he started at the beginning of the story. Yes, he has sex with an alien. Yes he fights on their side. But he more or less behaves like the same person. And he isnt very interesting. Even Neo in The Matrix played by an actor infamous for having as much dramatic range as a block of wood shows more of a transformation.
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Of course, Im willing to forgive these things (and heavy handed expository dialog). After all, the story is comparable to a fairy tale, and not everything has to make sense. What I cant forgive is weak character development. And it wasn't that Jake Sullys character was subtle. The Lives of Others has a subtle hero that follows a similar journey. Jake Sully was simply non-existent.
But thats just me. A lot of my friends liked it.
mjm4gx 2 years ago
all it is is a modern version of a classic cowboy and Indian movie
LVonMises 2 years ago
thats a lie its a lot better than that
theoddjonas 2 years ago
he/she is right. their similar. its not critcizing but drawing similarities.
YourOasis97 2 years ago
@LVonMises
i was thinking a modern version of pocahontas..have u seen it?
CaligirlSofia 2 years ago
You draw a lot of conclusions when you do reviews like this, to that point that you're trying to be a mind reader of the writer(s) / director. Your conclusions certainly aren't bad, but they're probably beyond what the writer(s) / director had even intended; it's strange to me that you just present this stuff like it's fact that you've magically confirmed. BTW, Avatar is another name for Lucifer / Satan somewhere in the Bible (can't recall where), and "Hell's Gate" is also used in this movie.
regresseur 2 years ago 2
"but they're probably beyond what the writer(s) / director had even intended;"
that is usually the case.
ohbobsagetpiss 2 years ago
". . .but they're probably beyond what the writer(s) / director intended" How the hell do you know what Cameron (the writer/director) intended? Are you clairvoyant? Can you read peoples' minds? The bottom line is that you don't know a damn thing about Cameron's intentions and you're expressing a point of view that is driven by subjectivity and bias, like almost all of the people who hate "Avatar."
keltidar 1 year ago 4
I said probably, not 'are', unlike the person who made this video. It is ridiculous to think his highly specific guesses on someone else's intentions are correct. Shouldn't your comment be directed at him and not me? Do you think the creators of this movie put such deep thought into it like the video poster stated, and that what they intended is exactly what the video poster said they did? If so, what is your reasoning? Do you you think the video poster is a mind reader, too? TY for necro'ing.
regresseur 1 year ago
Have you ever written a story?
Tabarnak999999999 1 year ago
lol nice one stefbot,
you never got so many views so fast, what could we expect from a capitalist
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aioforumuser 2 years ago
Avatarted.
SuperGuyincognito 2 years ago
this movie is about Gai worship,becoming one with nature.Also the Nephilim, merging alien DNA with humans (hence Giants).James Camereon is also a 33rd degree free mason and is illuminated into the occult.
So you imply that fallen angels merging with humans are one of the greatest transformations? hmm in Genesis God sent a flood to destroy those Giants and the corruption of man's bloodline
teemu1381 2 years ago
@teemu1381 Come out of the basement and get yourself a girlfriend. (rolling eyes)
TheConstitutionLives 2 years ago 6
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@TheConstitutionLives
ok retard...why dont you research the truth
teemu1381 2 years ago
@teemu1381 What's "the truth"? Everyone thinks they know "the truth" unfortunately.
TheConstitutionLives 2 years ago 4
@TheConstitutionLives
same with you, except im married (rolls eyes)
teemu1381 1 year ago
@teemu1381 Coming back on here to reply 10 months later? lol
TheConstitutionLives 1 year ago
@teemu1381 cocaine's a hell of a drug
deadhorseman 1 year ago
@deadhorseman
why, are you snorting it?
teemu1381 1 year ago
What I take from this is how Singapore and Hong Kong or wherever else the British have gone became more prosperous than their past and also their neighbors, who lived in squalor. Thank God for British imperialism. Unfortunately, this can't be said of the French.
Entropy56 2 years ago
The French are represented in this movie as they spread their failed policies abroad.
Entropy56 2 years ago
yes, God bless imperialism. *insert sarcastic remark here*
YourOasis97 2 years ago
this is some deep stuff. i noticed a few hints during the movie but never directly observed the stuff you pointed out , but i can understand the metaphors now you have outlined them. i dont know if this is all coincidence/we are lookin too deeply into it, or whether james cameron is actually a genius and put all these ideas into his masterpiece. great film anyways
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justanothersheeple 2 years ago
The messages I take away from Avatar (best Imax experience ever) are:
a) If you choose conflict, better understand your enemy - they may be able to defeat you
b) No matter how peaceful your prey, at some point, their tolerance will be exceeded. Predators are a survival hit.
c) Honest trade is the most profitable. Conflict is an unsustainable cost, unprofitable (except for those who profit) in the long run
d) We have only one planet and should be trustees.
rossb2001ca 2 years ago
@rossb2001ca Really? Not the undertones of war being wrong? Not the destruction of indigenous people being wrong even if you ARE more powerful?
CodyAllenmusic 2 years ago 2
"unprofitable (except for those who profit)"
No shit, Sherlock?
myusernameisluc 2 years ago
Stef you should try get an interview with the writer of Avatar.
Individualism101 2 years ago
Thanks you! Saw Avatar (2009) the other day, and your psychological analysis the next day. The best review of a movie I've ever seen!
maganz 2 years ago
its not just an insult to proclaim things about the meaning of that word but it insults the value of holy words of all religions... where disregard for one is present there is disregard for all* its a holy word*
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
As a child i was raised Sikh and was given the name Avatar Singh Khalsa at the age of 12 by Harbhajan Singh Khalsa Yogiji, known as Yogi Bhajan. back then when the meaning of words really meant something it had a completely different meaning and has for thousands of years... You might want to look into the reality and very important meaning of a word before making posts about something of such reverence...
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
I think it's more important to understand that in reality words are a collection of letters or sounds we make with our lips and vocal chords. The importance of their meaning is beneficial for communication but the words themselves are never as important as the intent of the commumicator.
DCLugi 2 years ago
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AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
if thats all you know of words then you have no understanding of words and no place to speak on the subject* if the power of the word was that simple oh what a world we would live in...
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
Our little exchange here kind of proves my point. We're using words to try and communicate something much more subtle. For example in one culture the sound of a word may be highly offensive where in another it might be a term of affection. I think many people like to feel offended because it offers them some identity and words are often the weapon used.
DCLugi 2 years ago
I'm not offended in the slightest. I'm simply respectful. it has to start with someone, why not myself. who knows, maybe people will stop trying to be right and start doing the right thing instead... and please don't start a conversation about the definition of the "right thing" lol have a good night*
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
Your intent to be respectful is admired but surely it's more important to be respectful of fellow human beings themselves than the words they use. Words can never be "holy". In fact they don't actually exist. Thanks for the chat:)
DCLugi 2 years ago
"in the beginning there was the word" and they certainly did not mean letters put together to form words as you know it... and it certainly existed... its the word that is the root creative force behind existence.
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
words as you know it are 2, 3, and 4 dimensional concepts. in order for you to understand what I'm really talking about you'd have to evolve to understand fifth dimensional thinking. like it or not.. that's all i can give you at this point. But we are on our way.. the best we know how... good night* for real;)
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
My good man if your case is founded on the ramblings of the mentally ill some 3500 years ago then yes, I am not evolved to hear their message.
DCLugi 2 years ago
lol and now your an expert on the state of mind of a man who live so long ago at a time you cant possibly imagine the reality of his personal experiences? sounds like your a man that knows all. maybe i should start listening to your words and teachings. After all your all about treating other human beings with respect right? By the way, there was no message. I'm done talking to brick walls who only know how to be right. try being wrong some time, you might learn something*
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
PS. when you have studied things as many years as i have with a wealth of personal experiences to back it all up then feel free to comment on these subjects. Until then.. not to be rude but.. or "inhumane".. but your just making an ass out of yourself. Good luck with life Mr. Right
AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
Probably for the best. Sometimes I can't even get through to me I can't imagine how frustrating it is for others.
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AngryAngelTheBand 2 years ago
This is similar to how I feel about Avatar. A lot of people I talk to say its about saving the enviroment but I strongly disagree. Avatar was about learning to have empathy for people you do not understand. One of the most beautiful human traits is what when someone sees another as similar to themselves, the desire to kill or exploit disappears(unless they are a sociopath). Empathy is truely the only way we will see a world without violence.
Seansafk 2 years ago 16
lets not forget tolerance should be applied to end violence in the world as well.
YourOasis97 2 years ago 2
@Seansafk maybe instead of campaigning for political reasons, people should campaign for empathy or tolerance instead.
optionism 1 year ago
@Seansafk
It can't be about both? Must it only have one singular meaning/analogy? I think not. This movie highlights many insane practices of our civilization, which encompasses more than just empathy for foreigners (which is also quite important).
IngeniousEpithet 1 year ago
The movie reminded me of "the last samurai"... mixed with "Dune"... Paul Atreides turning against the empire, the worm taming, the spice, the Fremen, etc.... the similarities are quite obvious...
"THE SPICE MUST FLOW"
Nothing in Avatar is new and for that, I didn't enjoy it very much. It's just old recycled metaphors with crazier eye-candy.
"The earth does not belong to Man, it is Man who belongs to the earth"
swyft187 2 years ago
What bothers me most is that so few people are aware that they are being constantly propagandized by the devious and deceitful leftists in Hollywood. Most people just sit there and let their minds by filled with lies and distortions.
WillSpencer009 2 years ago
@WillSpencer009 hmmm. very true.
cortezforever 2 years ago
I agree Will. The movie is one sided. It's basically stating that all business is evil and profit is evil. Like stef says, it propagates the noble savage fallacy, i.e. white/western culture is evil while natives/minorities have superior morals. Let's not forget that some of the most ruthless totalitarian dictators in history (Stalin, Kim Jong-il) came from leftist movements.
qkholster 2 years ago
Great comment. I am so sick of this anti human propaganda coming out of the movie theatre. Humans are badddd is definately the message.
daizee106 2 years ago
Glad to see People who understand this
daizee106 2 years ago
lol wut
sirscutter 2 years ago
Stefbot, Have you seen Pocahontas? ;)
kingsaizZ 2 years ago
Yes, it seemed quite similar...
stefbot 2 years ago
stefbot:
where did you learn to connect your mind with you words so well?
capgains 2 years ago 22
@capgains his parents bought him national geographic when he was a kid
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inalubinna 2 years ago
Incredible review. I did see the movie twice, on Dec 18th and Dec 27th.. first at an IMAX3d then at a Dolby3d theater. I thought this was just the most incredible movie. I have had high hopes for this movie. I wasn't let down at all. the Avatar people don't even look CGI. I am 100% for sure without a doubt getting this movie on Blu-ray. I want to see it again at the D3d theater. Go see this movie, now.. It's worth the IMAX price.
austinite04 2 years ago
But you forgot that jake ( a white man) had to conquer the people by capturing the huge dragon, something rare in their native culture. Basically its the white man gets empathy and helps em unite, thats whack.
SpokoynayaNoch 2 years ago
Now this is a true review by a true reviewer.. not a fake one! just hearing his voice is enough to judge him.. that he's honest in all what he's explaining, unlike those crap homeless ppl for sure.. who were paid money to ruin the movie for bad purpose! I just can't get this movie out of my mind!! I saw it last week in cinema.. and still want to see it.. again and again.. a great movie and the best after Titanic.. I wish if J.Cameron wd grab all the oscar awards for this masterpiece movie.
aldallah 2 years ago
I actually find his delivery annoying - too many artificial dramatic pauses!
Many are calling this a 'review'. But it is more of an 'interpretation'. Reviews assess quality; interpretations interpret.
Will762 2 years ago 3
good review
Tallacus 2 years ago
I think you thought more about this than James Cameron did.
nhmllr725 2 years ago 5
He doesn't have to think about actively in order for the unconscious to work...
stefbot 2 years ago 3
@stefbot
Couldn't he just have hit home by safely collecting used to death clichés and rounding them up neatly in this travesty of a 'movie'?
I didn't watch your whole review because I