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[fritostexasgrill]

So few, if any magazines cover these aspects other than the typical lads mags, that its no surprise they sell well as they cover all interests. Women are an interest to men, just as men are an interest to women, hence why Heat magazine has torso of the week. Granted, not the same amount of flesh is on display, however the principle remains the same: viewing something for aesthetic purposes regarding ones sexuality.

[Sorry so many comments, I drafted in word not thinking :) ]

[fritostexasgrill]

After all, its expected.

Though we are ignoring the fact that these magazines have articles in, occasionally interesting ones, although I personally have a low tolerance for reading about mountain biking and football! But these magazines do cover that, which is also a reason why therere successful, pictures can only be looked at for so long, whereas the articles can be read and also educate.

[fritostexasgrill]

Can you say that the men pictured in these magazines are there for a reason other than to be ogled? Or is it just that lewdness is more acceptable in the immoral, overly sexual gay culture?

[fritostexasgrill]

Surely by fly leafing these magazines you are repressing women yourself as youre symbolising a wish to remove this line of work, thereby removing the choice that the models have to partake in this work also.

Im also curious as to your stance regarding the magazines that objectify men, such as The Gay Times, which also uses sex as a selling point, albeit to a gay male audience. Do you wish to remove these magazines from shelves also?

[katoblue]

It is a common (lazy) argument to call feminists censors, but you will find that lads' mags censor women all the time. They only acknowledge women as sexual-for-men, stupid, and constantly horny. The text in the magazines is even more crass than the overtly sexual front covers. The people who write for lads' mags don't like women. They have suggested that men feed their girlfriends excrament. They have suggested that men suffocate their girlfriends to death. Why the hell are you defending them?

[fritostexasgrill]

The women in the magazines have every right and every freedom to pose for their raunchy pictures. I could understand the opposition had they been kidnapped and beaten into appearing, but this is not the eastern European sex trade, this is women making their own choices to appear in these magazines. Often these women are educated to a high level, so stupidity cant be the reason either.

[katoblue]

No one is saying that the models don't have freedoms and rights to do what they want to do - only that they contribute to a misogynist process which aims to stereotype women into certain roles which are then not respected and not taken seriously. Men who read lads' mags often associate the women they encounter with the women in the magazines and believe me, that is not a positive experience for a women. Also, most of these models are not well-educated. You just made that up.

[fritostexasgrill]

Jenrint,

While I can appreciate entirely a dislike of pornography, I find it lewd and disgusting and would like nothing more than to see its decline, I have to disagree with you actions in this video. Feminism has had its day, and now it seems to be more about persecuting men just for being men rather than gaining womens rights.

[katoblue]

Nonsense, fritostexasgrill. Most feminism nowadays is about working with men to make gender relations better. However, women still experience unequal pay, high levels of domestic violence, sexual objectification in public areas...how the hell can feminism be over when it's still working to put right these wrongs?

[buzztopp]

Great stuff! Keep up the fight! Those stupid people on the radio show are so ignorant it's scary.

[CarrotLucky13]

I am horrified that our society has come to this!

Young girls aspiring to be models for horny men to perv over; girls of 14 and younger..It's wrong.

Someone need's to teach these girls that they are far more talented than this..It's a slippery slope and few manage to get out of this career once they are in it.

The media constantly objectifies women; Through little things such as adverts..These need to change.

I AM NOT A FEMINIST! I just believe that no one should be degraded on such a way!!!

[jenrint]

Just out of interest, why do you insist that you are not a feminist?

[katoblue]

You may not want to be labelled one but your beliefs are 100% feminist!

[cleoambre]

Also (sorry to go on; bit passionate about the subject) I can't actually BELIEVE that FEMALE radio presenter said "women with beards are definitely like that". The joke's on her anyway, because Jenny definitely doesn't have a beard! It makes me so angry that feminists are pinned as bearded lesbians, and as for the man who phoned in; he doesn't even deserve a response! I hate lads mags! I can happily say that I'm one sixteen year old who'd rather be like Jenny Rintoul than a glamour model anyday.

[cleoambre]

when there are so many independent, successful women in the world who are more beautiful than any glamour model. I think it's a downright shame that so many girls my own age think that this is all they can amount to, and in fact DREAM of being one of those women on the cover of Nuts or Zoo. So getting the message out that this is wrong is extremely important, if no one does anything girls are going to grow up thinking that's the life to have! So well bloody done!!

[cleoambre]

Jenny I had no idea you were this active! What an excellent idea - it's not burning them or censoring them, it's simply trying to get the message to anyone who would want to buy them that it's wrong and it's just crude titillation, and portrays women in the wrong way entirely. In fact, it makes a complete joke out of us, and I don't think any real self-respecting woman would let herself be photographed that way for any amount of money. It makes me laugh that these girls are what men dream of,

[jenrint]

(continued, part 3!)..As Elizabeth points out, no-one has mentioned censorship. You seem to have misunderstood the point. It is about attitude change.

Finally, to assume that certain groups in society (class, sex, age, etc, re your middle class lefties comment) cannot support and campaign for certain issues is, I think, detrimental to the cause. Would you exclude heterosexual men from campaigning against the accepted rise of sexist porn culture?

[jenrint]

(continued, part 2!)..feminist action INCLUDES fighting against the apparent accepted objectification and sexualisation of women, and this topic is absolutely fundamental. Perhaps you do not see that the issues covered in this film can be used to open debate about the restrictive sexualisation of women, accepted and normalised sexist behaviours amongst young men and women (who, importantly, form the next generation of attitudes), and sexual violence against women. (..continued)..

[jenrint]

If you are focusing on unequal pay and the governments persecution of single mums as part of YOUR campaigning at the moment, fantastic.

Badnewswade,

If you have a sense of sistahood, youll recognise that all of the issues (many many more than the two you mention and those that I address in the film) are in fact interrelated and all need addressing. To me,

[ElisabethWinkler]

Unequal pay, persecution of single mums and the way women get paid more for taking off their clothes than most other professions are all part of the same problem....

[badnewswade]

Also I thought the main problem was unequal pay and the governments persecution of single mums, but then if you're an upper middle class leftie you don't have to worry about money do you?

[katoblue]

There is no MAIN problem! All issues are interlinked and it's reductive to try and prioritise them. Women being diminished as 'tits and arse' contributes massively to the fact that we aren't taken seriously in business. And we don't receive equal pay BECAUSE we are not taken seriously. So these issues are interlinked so deeply as to be beyond most people's perception.

[katoblue]

Yes, we are damn lucky not to have to face some of the horrors that Iranian women (for example) face, but if you think that we are okay here...that this culture doesn't betray women at every turn, you are very, very mistaken.

[Bertelli1234]

Bloody marvelous! I've got so many things to say & don't know where to start. Not enough space. Blokes who stand up for this get tarnished as gay or religious fanatics, which is pure ignorance. As if that matters.

And 4 fucks sake, Da Vinci painted beauty, in whatever form, not women squeezing their tits to sell cheap thrills. Jeez! Arghhh!! Angers me!!!!

[katoblue]

Jenny Rintoul is a goddess!

[ElisabethWinkler]

Brilliant vid! Every time I go into a UK newsagent, I am shocked by porno images of women! I am not against sex. Oh no! Sex is wonderful and creative and natural. I am against porn. Porn is old-fashioned and unimaginative. I do not want to live in a wallpaper porn society - it creates a predatory vibe. Yak.

[badnewswade]

Well you sure picked the wrong century to be born in didn't you, maybe you could go and live in Iran or something if you don't like pr0n, cause the intarnets is positivley drowning in the stuff anyway.

I'm not a fan of lads mags for the same reasons as the feminists, they do objectify women and are a bit pathetic, but going around calling for censorship is hardly progressive or particularly feminist is it?

[ElisabethWinkler]

Women were treated as chattels and sex-objects in past centuries - that is what I am saying: this exploitation of female sexuality is old-fashioned - and needs to change! Re the past, maybe I could live in an ancient Cretan culture where women were valued, co-operation ruled and there was no warmongering. Did I call for censorship? No. I am calling for a change of attitude!