Joseph Smith stuck his head into his old white hat in which also resided his pet rock. Out of this lie popped the polygamous polytheistic god and Jesus of Mormonism. Joe also conjured up the absurd and easily disproved "Book of Abraham". Sadly, Joe was in error concerning every hieroglyph and in dating by some 1700+years. It takes a lot of blind faith to be Mormon. Mormonism is the perpetual "Presence of an Absence".
Wow. Clearly, this pervert has nothing of value to say about neither politics nor religion. My only regret is that I did not stop watching until about 60 seconds in. I want my 60 seconds back.
@andrewspain15 -- ROMNEY'S 2012 PLAN CUTS MEDICARE--Ron Paul’s plan cuts $1 trillion the first year & balances the budget in 3 years. The plan cuts spending by ending the costly foreign wars, and cuts foreign welfare, corporate welfare, and overgrown federal bureaucracy. These cuts are made so that those who are dependent on domestic spending programs such as Medicare aren’t endangered through a sudden change in benefits. Romney’s plan cuts Medicare, on which many elderly Americans rely.
If the 3 Nephites and John the beloved never tasted of death, this means: a) The priesthood was never lost from the earth. b) No complete apostasy could have occurred. c) No need for a priesthood restoration from heaven and no need for J Smith. d) Joseph fabricated the whole damn thing and fabricated Mormonism.
This is one of many reasons why orthodox christianity struggles with Mormonism
The guy who made this video is a complete Bigot. When chosing a religion one should look at what good that religion is doing today and not focus on rumors of the past. Many religions have done much worse things then have a leader look into a top hat.
@Ingle92protege it was for pro-creation and family, otherwise, wouldn't you think Brigham Young would have avoided having sex with wives during there periods and/or use varied ways of birth control (it did exist back then just not as perfect as we use birth control today). Brigham Young had 57 children and most other polygamist families did as well it pro-create. I know you don't understand that, and many others likes you just think it's about the carnal desire of sex, but whatever
@Ingle92protege I know a lot about the church and nothing you say will shock me.... Let me give you this, even IF polygamy was about people getting there "rocks off" and doing it for just the sex (though I don't believe that at all) what really is the difference between that and any other person in the world today having multiple pre-martial relationships, girlfriends, wives, etc etc? When polygamy did exist it was for pro-creation and family continued....
@Ingle92protege I have read the D&C before I am not an idiot. There is no polygamy in the temple wtf are you talking about? Pretty sure I am LDS not FLDS.. LDS is what you claim Mormons are. FLDS are the excommunicated people from the LDS church that continue to practice polygamy when it's against the law. If you mean sealed to multiple spouses because a previous wife died, then yes you are right, but we can't be sealed to more than one living spouse at a time.
@Ingle92protege By the way, it is recorded on MANY accounts both Mormon and non-mormon that Joseph didn't have any "sexual" relationships with his wives other than Emma. Emma even almost denied to the grave that he married multiple wives. There are no reports out there (other than anti-mormon propaganda) historians from both in and outside the church that state that he had sexual relations with anyone but his wife. I have read the D&C and understand it clearly. Anyway nice talking
@Ingle92protege Ha ha well you just misunderstand... make sure you aren't a Jew, Muslim, or any other Christian because they all believe in Abraham. Abraham had many wives (two for certain Haggar and Sarah) Issac had many wives and so did Jacob, so make sure you are not religious at all. You are so simple minded that you don't understand that it isn't about the sex, it's about pro-creation not the carnel mind of humans that all they think is about having sex for pleasure. continued...
@Ingle92protege Ha ha you are just showing how ignorant and naive you are... you do know that in the 1800's the average marriage of a woman was right after puberty? 14-18 years old... LOL!!! Of course these days it's viewed as barbaric and "pedophilia" but back then it was "normal" to marry that young. And men usually got married at 15 - 16 years old. LOL! Oh and by the way Joseph Smith had 32 wives, get your facts straight especially if you are trying to smear mormon's. (I am Mormon)
Where did you get this information? I mean is there a reason that you really dislike Mormons? I mean you have personal distaste for them, but it would have better if you can have some actual real information to back your claims. ( I enjoyed the Canadain comments though.)
Joseph Smith was but one of many so-called prophets to come out of 19th century America. The First Amendment obviously protected his right to invent all manner of absurdity piled on absurdity. And why did Joseph Smith, an illiterate, see fit to say that god spoke to him? Well, for one, it was a perfect cover for his seeking gold, which he never did find. The more one reads of American sectarian offshot religions, the more one is amazed by such credulity and inanity!
So a drawing that appears to be of a horse is 100% proof positive that Pre-Columbian horses existed. Right... Where's the petroglyphs of sheep, cows, oxen, etc mentioned in the BOM as well. More importantly, where are their remains?
The "White bearded man on horse"? For starters he wasn't on a horse. Nice try! Secondly, how do you know he's white? You merely assume he is because of the beard. While not overly common, Native Americans can and do grow beards.
Moses supposedly used the Urim and Thummin (stones attached to a breastplate). How did Joseph fit the Urim and Thummin inside his top hat? Must have been a pretty large hat!
Joseph didn't use the Urim and Thummin like you and others like to claim. He used a peepstone (not stones) and he used his hat. If he was using the Urim and Thummin, his hat wouldn't have been necessary. Are you saying Moses used a top hat too?
No, hat is an object of discussion for various reasons:
1. He used the same means (hat and stone) for his treasure seeking activities
2. He didn't "translate" the BOM. He divined it.
3. The church deliberately obfuscates this fact as its not "faith-promoting"
4. Given the means of "translation" reading the words in the hat to his scribe and only if they wrote it down correctly would a new set of words appear, there's no margin for error. Yet the BOM has nearly 4,000 changes
"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe." (continued)
"and when it was written down and repeated to brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear." David Whitmer (An Address to All Believers in Christ)
1. Joseph didn't do any translating. He merely read what the words in the hat said. That's divining
2. Given the means of transcription, there is no margin for error. Why the nearly 4,000 changes for the "most correct of any book"?
And you're ignoring mine. Let's read from the dictionary shall we?
Divination - Discovery of what is hidden or obscure by supernatural or magic means.
When Joseph Smith used his hat and stone to look for treasure, he was using divination. When he used the same hat and stone to produce the Book of Mormon, he was... (repeat after me) DIVINING!
The plates exist, too bad they were still in their possession the entire time the translation was occuring. Also it still reads on David Whitmers gravestone "The record of the Nephites and the Jews are ONE."
nuff said.
Oh and I did hear you, I'm just correcting you where you err, which seems allot. You won't be able to dictate my beliefs to me.
Yes, they are very real in the spiritual imagination of Whitmer, Cowdery, and Harris and others who claimed they saw them with their "spiritual eyes". Furthermore, according the Whitmer and Harris, the plates were never used in translation. Once again, repeat after me... Divined!
You claim to hear me but once again you're avoiding the question. Given the means of transcription why does the "most correct of any book" have nearly 4,000 changes?
I'm aware of the numerous Biblical changes which is why you use the term "as far as it is translated correctly". The Book of Mormon doesn't have that caveat. If it came from God, there's no margin for error. Instead of calling it the "most correct of any book", you should call it the most corrected of any book.
The changes never changed the meaning of the text. if they were to help create clarity for the reader, but the meaning within the text never changed. Our own language has changed dramatically over the last 200 years too I might add.
Politically Correct idealism has only been around in the last 10 years. The LANGUAGE keeps on changing.
the book of Mormon message THAT JESUS is the Christ, The Son of God, remains the SAME!
Keep making excuses. None of the changes weren't recent to catch up with our language. What new terms are in the Book of Mormon that weren't around then? None!
As far as the politically correct idealism changes that keeps changing the last 10 years. What new changes has the Book of Mormon undergone as a result? None
For the BOM to be "true" God must be an idiot who can't translate properly, and sends Moroni 5,000 miles to deposit plates that are never used. Brilliant!
@dfwsunking -- As late as 2005 & 2006, Romney made jokes like this? "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman … and a woman … and a woman," Romney quipped at the 2005 St. Patrick's Day breakfast in Boston. He made the same joke on Don Imus' 2006 St. Patrick's Day show. Romney's family tree has lots of polygamy. and his father was born in Mexico. He's currently trying to convince the Tea Party he's a good Christian who will reduce the debt.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Hinkley, mormo president said "no I do not believe in the traditional christ. The traditional christ of who they speak is NOT the christ of whom I speak. For the christ of whom I speak is revealed in this the dispensation of the fullness of times." Deseret news, June 20th 1998.
Haha you haven't proven any points here buddy. To make a real point you will have to show that the Mormons contradict the teachings that were preached; the teachings of the bible. You won't be able to find any contradictions though so again you have proved absolutely nothing except that the Mormon church is not like other churches.
Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Mormon Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
Question: if mormons are so against crosses being associated with their church, and claim its because the commandment says not to worship any graven images why are there hundreds of inverted pentagrams all over the salt lake and navou temples?
Did you know that Joseph smith was arrested in 1826 for pretending he could find treasure by putting stones and his face in a hat, Breed'um Young said that if a man should marry a negro he should be killed on the spot, there are hundreds of inverted pentagrams all over the salt lake and navou temples, google it, dont take my word for it
Hahahahaha! You're funnier than HE is! I understand your confusion - you are mixing up the word "stupid" with "important" - don't worry, Mormons do it all the time.
This is Joseph Smith's Gospel to have sex with minors
Helen Mar Kimball -age 14,Married May 1843 To -Joseph Smith age 37
LDS MORMON LAW of POLYGAMY
D&C 132:61 ...if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second,and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
A MORMON PROPHET Teaching MORMONS ON BECOME GODS and MAKING there OWN PLANETS & WORLDS : )
Brethren 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225, 000 of you may become GODS. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe.And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make,worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000 (LDS PROPHET Spencer W. Kimball, The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood, Ensign, Nov 1975, 77).
In Acts 17:29 we are taught that we are the offspring of God-- we are His literal children. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Read the entire chapter of Psalms 82!
We are JOINT-HEIRS with Christ--and will sit on a THRONE:
Journal of Discourses, Vol.22, p.125, George Q. Cannon, October 31,1880: ... if we obtain celestial glory in the fullest sense of the word, then we have wives and children in eternity, we have the power of endless lives granted unto us, the power of propagation that will endure through all eternity, all being fathers and mothers in eternity; fathers of fathers, and mothers of mothers, kings and queens, priests and priestesses, and shall I say more? Yes, all becoming GODS.
haha I love how you completely ignore what bland just showed here. Typical though, u completely lose that point so instead of addressing this problem with ur argument, you just throw out some other random quote to "shock" people. Once you're shown where the bible accounts for this you'll probably throw out an often misquoted passage from the JoD stating Adam is God or something false or twisted like that. Let's stick to the subject at hand, how can you account for what Christ said about Godhood?
Yes,but it was never a very profitable job for him,as he only got fourteen dollars a month for it.(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
Section Three 1838-39, p.120)
Joseph Smith would put the SEER STONE into a HAT,and put his face in the HAT,drawing it closely around his face(LDS MORMON CHURCH MAGAZINE Ensign,Jul 1993,61)
On March 20,1826...On court records he is referred to as "Joseph Smith the Glass looker."The charge:disturbing the peace.
MORMONS HAVING SEX IN HEAVEN,GET PLANETS & BECOME GODS
Joseph F. Smith Jr,Doctrines of Salvation,Vol.2,p.48:
...To become like him we must have all the powers of GODhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one ...There is no end to this development; it will go on forever.We will become GODS and have jurisdiction over worlds,and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.We will have an endless eternity for this.
Hamack then arose & in his hand he held a STONE which he pronounced transparent. Thro' this he could view things present & things to come...& behold discover HIDDEN TREASURES, secluded from the eyes of other mortals...Such was the clearness of his sight, when this transparent STONE was placed before his eyes...
Joseph Smith would put the SEER STONE into a HAT,and put his face in the HAT,drawing it closely around his face...(Ensign,Jul,1993,61)
The MORMON CHURCH said Blacks can't cast off there SKIN OF BLACKNESS even if a Black Man REPENTS or washes with SOAP!
For instance,the descendants of Cain cannot cast off their skin of blackness,at once,and immediately, although every soul of them should repent...Cain and his posterity must wear the mark which God put upon them;and his white friends may wash the race of Cain with fuller's soap every day, they cannot wash away God's mark...
amandac said if I wanted to write as much to PM her. I did. It ended w/her blindly contradicting herself, which many liberals do by saying not to judge, but then hate, insult, demean, demonize others. Amandac called me kind of an *sshole, etc. If she says I don't have the authority to say X(which she did here), that's 'judging'. Not even liberals can go without judging. Judging is either deciding right from wrong, etc. A SEPARATE sense is to condemn. I can decide w/o condemning or hating people
I hope they *DO* build one of their butt fugly temples in the Eternal CIty of Rome. Who's going to attend it? It will stand out like a turd in a bowl of milk.
Besides, everyone else will be too busy seeing St. Peter's and the Sistine Chapel.
Heh. Funny vid. Joseph Smith, a married man, didn't need any miniature top hat hookers because he conned some 33 women into having sex with him under the guise of "spiritual wifery" or "celestial marriage." Gotta hand it to Smith. He sure knew how to run a good con.
GuitarGuy-U said:"I'm mormon and this is something that I don't say much but FUCK ALL OF YOU."
Oh dear, a potty mouth, hypocritical Mormon. The B9ible condemns UR attitude & insults- Eph 4:15, 1 Cor 13:4-5 (New KJV ), Col 4:5-6,. Gal 5:19-22. If U can't engage UR mind & resort to immature, empty screeds, it's better not to shame UR 3 Gods of Father, Jesus & Holy Ghost (Ensign 3/2008 p 68) & UR church. U said "ALL"- I never said anything against LDS Church here. Why don't U read my posts, toots
Well, Obama is against gay marriage, and he surely pandered to religion & used religion to get votes. It gores to both major parties in my country, the USA. McCain barely mentioned God, Jesus, etc., while Obama surpassed him by leaps. Then again, Obama's 'Christianity' is rooted in an extreme nutjob, J. Wright & the crazy Trinity UCC. Yeah, BO missed ALL of the radical trash Wright ever preached in 20 years, missed the TUCC website's crap, too. Bunch of BS from BO.
captainbryce-I don't trust Obama for much of anything. He will probably do some good things, but I don't bet on anything on gays in the military. His mind is poisoned from 20 years in a radical liberal church, he disabled his credit card verification on his website so illegal contributions could flow in & broke his promise to take public financing when he knew he could rake in more money without it. His views on homosexuality aren't Christian.
As a Christian myself, I accept what is in the NT. And your quotes from Jesus valid as they may be do not specifically condemn homosexuals. Paul is really the only one who does in the NT (several times over) but nowhere does he or anyone else say bible that gays shouldn't be treated fairly or that they should be discriminated against.
Captain-#3: Does Bible's God treat same sex attracted people fairly in the Bible that deals with SSA & marriage? Does he discriminate? Bible's God would never approve of gay marriage, adoptions, or promoting it in schools, etc. Marriage is in the Bible for love and/or to have a sound environment to raise kids, companionship (Gen, Eph 5) between man & woman. Good book: "The Homosexual Agenda" by Alan Sears & Craig Osten.
Captain-#2: Paul condemned M2M/F2F sex & lust in Rom 1.Paul in 1 Cor 6:9 also condemns M2M sex. Paul wrote most of the NT, so just because he is said to be the only one isn't a sound point. Christians don't need anymore than what is written. UR use of the 'discrimination & treated fairly' ideas come from the world. Marriage is not a right. "Righteousness EXALTS a nation. Sin is a DISGRACE to ANY people." (Prov 14:34 NASB)
Captain-#1: A common mistake is to speak about the Bible condemning homosexuals. That frames it wrong. The Bible condemns male2male & female2female sex. NT Jesus AFFIRMS man2woman marriage in Matt 19:5. They already have the background & religion of Judaism, so the moral standard underpinning Lev 18-22; 20-13 is still there, along with the Hebrew standard of M2F marriage. The Leviticus penalties did not transfer to the church, but the moral standard against M2M sex & for M2F marriage did
To be honest, there is no way we can debate this issue on a short post forum like this so it's pointless to try. Suffice it to say that we clearly have a difference of opinion as to what is considered "Christian" and how we are supposed to treat each other. To that end I'm just going to say thank you and God bless. My final thought is, if you disagree with something religiously, but it doen't affect your life or your relationship with God, then you shouldn't be imposing your beliefs by law.
If "sin is a disgrace to any people", then I don't see it as wrong to be salt & light to that culture. Evangelism is #1 for Christians (Matt 28), but I don't see it as wrong. If U study enough on the 'gay politics' issue, it DOES effect lives of Christians, their kids/families/freedoms. It's documented fact & I KNOW it locally. Please read "A Biblical Point of View on Homosexuality" by Kirby Anderson & the book I already recommended. Take care
The bible says, love thy neighbor, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, vengence is mine saith the Lord, judge not lest ye be judged, we have all fallen short of the glory of God and "whosoever believith in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" (with no stipulations about sexuality). To me all of that means that we are all equals and there should be no discrimination against gays!
Captain-8-B-Just because all sin, doesn't excuse the sin, or teaches for Christians & others to give a free pass to sin-based laws redefining what the Bible establishes as marriage. The Bible teaches to judge/decide right/wrong, truth/error. This doesn't mean that it isn't done from love & concern. 1 Tim 2:15-"correctly handling the word of truth"
harry4health 1) It's not up to us to judge sin and the LAW shouldn't be based on religion (seperation of church and state). Legal marriage has nothing to do with God in the eyes of the state, therefore the state has no cause for practicing discrimination. If a church feels like gay marriage is a violation of their beliefs and they choose to discriminate against gays, so be it. But a court has no right to do that and there is no way to justify that by using the bible.
Captainb2-UR use of separation of church & state is a liberal one. I used to believe it, but no longer. The secular & religious left has used Jefferson's private letter as the 1st Amendment & get it wrong. Please study that from the other side. Neither side is infallible, but the conservative side is on better footing. The idea that Christians should not vote or act from their Christian convictions is foreign from the majority, or any, of the founders & is not what the 1st Amendment meant
Captainb1-If U check Bible I used, it is right for Christians to judge rightly (John 7:24). John the Baptist publicly called the king on 'immorality'. The law issue is 1 thing, but Bible does NOT teach Christians shouldn't judge sin. By calling it sin, U already judged it as wrong/sin. So, what UR saying is that liberal religious people & secularists can do what conservative Christians & other conservatives can't, or shouldn't? Who is asking for special rights? I hope U study conservative works
You have played fast and loose with the Bible. Look at John 7:24 in context. Read all of John 7. "Judging rightly" is not referring to judging other people but to finding what is RIGHT.
You also refer to John the Baptist and Herod. John the Baptist was a prophet of God and spoke for Him. Are you? Then you have no authority to judge someone else. That's God's job. 1 Cor 4:4-5 You can say sin is wrong, but you cannot judge the sinner. And of course, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Mt 7:1
amandac--4:U used 1 Cor 4:4- Paul was an apostle of God. Are you? Then U have no right to apply that to U or others. I just used your argument on U. He was also a Christian. Why do U apply that to non-Christians? U forgot 1 Cor 5:1-8. This spoke of IMMORAL BEHAVIOR, as the Bible teaches homosexuality is (Kirby Anderson, A Biblical View of Homosexuality, books by Joe Dallas). Paul told THE CHURCH to "that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you". See also JESUS in Matt 18
1) Excuse me, don't quote me Bible verses like I am ignorant of them. I know the Bible. And fuck, if you had so much to say to me then send me a PM. I didn't even bother to read your 10 comments in reply to my 1.
2) And 1 Cor 6:9-10: I do not use the ESV Bible. Mine says "male prostitutes." There are various translations and opinions on its true translation, so that's a weak argument.
I have read every passage about homosexuality, and I DO think its clear anything outside of marriage is a sin.
amanda-1)U accused me of 'playing fast & loose w/Bible'-please don't cop a prideful attitude (anti-biblical) when U get some of UR own medicine
2)Each YT post is approx 3 LINES in an email. If U can't handle reading 18 lines in an email, that's not my fault. I assumed U could handle it
3) Using only 1 Bible is unwise. ESV is accurate to the Greek. U using only 1 Bible is a weak argument. Have U read the books on why 1 Cor 6:9 condemns homosexual relations? I've read 1,000s of pages on both sides
amandac- 1 Cor 6:9 in the NIV, which is the version you may have referred to doesn't JUST have "male prostitutes". It says the following: "nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS". See RSV & NASB- "homosexuals". The Greek has 2 words. The ESV combined them. "Homosexuals" should center, following the Greek, to the actions.
amandac-3:U used Matt 7:1. U need to study GREEK. 'Judge' in 7:1 Greek has more than 1 definition. Matt 7:5 says to make sure UR dealing with UR own issues before dealing w/others. If UR dealing w/URself, "THEN you WILL see clearly TO REMOVE the speck from your brothers eye.", & 7:15 where Jesus says to JUDGE claimed prophets- U can't "BEWARE of false prophets", if U don't know their false. Jesus then says to JUDGE them by their fruit (Deut 13 & 18:2 major fruit: their prophecies & doctrine)
amandac-2:U play fast & loose with my words & the Bible. John 7 has the context of truth vs error. Jesus spoke a true principle and applied it to his situation. I didn't say anything about condemning the person, but judging righlty on the belief, actions. THAT is the context of John 7.
Paul also spoke of "another Jesus" & false gospels (2 Cor 11, Gal 1)- he was an apostle, but he also wrote "IMITATE me as I imitate Christ". He also exposed what he taught was immorality in Rom 1, 1 Cor 6:9-10.
amandac-1:U didn't read my words very well at all. I said, the "Bible does NOT teach Christians shouldn't judge SIN." Where did say to judge the PERSON? I SAID "SIN". Don't U know the difference between the sin & the sinner?
Please read my words for what they say. U misrepresented my words when I was quite plain & U had NO reason to misunderstand or misrepresent me.
amandacalif-INTRO-2:Professing Christians can judge the behavior, doctrine, as 'sin' without condemning individuals. However, the Bible DOES teach consequences for what the Bible calls immoral behaviour, false doctrine on God, 'salvation', which basically comes down to what they do with Jesus as Lord (Rom 4-5:1; 10:9-10, John 1:12, Eph 2:1-9, 1 Cor 6:10)
In my former post, I mentioned 'SIN'-"Bible does NOT teach Christians shouldn't judge SIN."
amandacalif-INTO-1:"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who PRACTICE homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you WERE washed..sanctified ...justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit" 1 Cor 6:9-10 ESV
Captain-8-A: "To me all of that means that we are all equals and there should be no discrimination against gays!" Yes, to U it does, but what do they teach? WE are all equally HUMAN. ACTIONS aren't equally valid, true, or beneficial to individuals or society (Bible & facts). None of those passages teach that since we are equally human, that dismisses 'sin'. None teaches not to decide truth/error, right/wrong & sharing & acting on those convictions & to speak TRUTH in love (Eph 4:15)
You're missing the point. WE are not the judges of sin, God is. You are in essense saying that we SHOULD BE discriminating against gays because they are sinners and that is what God wants. And that is completely wrong (based on the bible).
Captainb-The Bible teaches that Christians should call sin what it is-doctrinal or moral. It's another thing what should be done via law, but that point is unbiblical, or perhaps even antibiblical.
I don't think the OT penalties are valid for the church, but did Yahweh God discriminate against those who has M2M sex in Lev?
The Bible says "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a DISGRACE to ANY people." So it means, it is a DISGRACE (judging), but don't do anything about it, if U can?
Captain-7: "'whosoever believith [sic] in him shall not perish but have everlasting life' (with no stipulations about sexuality)." NT teaches saved by grace thru faith alone(Eph 2). Rom 10:9-10 says IF U confess "Jesus AS LORD", etc= saved. Jesus:"IF you love me, you WILL obey", 1 Cor 6:9-those who PRACTICE these things (ACTIONS, not attractions) won't inherit God's kingdom. Acts 17:30-"God..now commands all men everywhere to repent". Does the professing SSA Christian desire to obey Bible?
Captain-6: "we have all fallen short of the glory of God". Yes, but it doesn't say to allow homosexuality to be normalized in society through gay marriage, schools, Hollywood, politics, etc. Even with Rom 12, Romans 1 condemns same sex relationships. Christian parents' kids get influenced by what they are doing in schools, TV, etc. Bible teaches we fall short. It also teaches to expose darkness (Eph 5:10-11), publicly call sin sin (John the Baptist), be salt & light in the world (Matt 5:13,14).
Captain-5B- Moses (Deut 13 & 18), Jesus (Matt 7:15; 24:24, Jn 4:23-24), Paul (Acts 20:28-31/1 Cor/2 Cor 11:3-5,13-15/Gal 1:6-9 & all Gal/Eph 5:10-11/Titus 1:9), Peter (2 Peter), Jude (Jude 3, all Jude), John (John 4:23-24/1 Jn, Rev 2:2; 21:8,27; 22:15) exposed error & told Christians to do so, as the Bible shows. Paul named names 3 times. To know moral, doctrinal, etc, truth from error, we must decide, in that sense, judge. Aren't they who say don't do it judge those they say not to judge?
Bible's Jesus says-judge righteously (John 7:24) & in Matt 7:15-23 says to "BEWARE of FALSE prophets", "they are ravening wolves". Then he teaches to know the true & false prophets by their fruits (their doctrine of God & 100% prophecy fulfillment record-Deut 13, 18, test by scripture-Acts 17:11). Paul exposes error & false teachers. Insulting is wrong, sharing why we disagree is right. Eph 4:15, Titus 1:9
Rom 12:19:Context? Vs 17-"Do not PAY BACK evil FOR EVIL" (vs 17). Vs 18-"Never take *your own* REVENGE, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written,'VENGEANCE is Mine, I will REPAY,' says the Lord." Vs 20-Feed your ENEMY if he's hungry, etc. Vs 21-Overcome *evil* with good." Anti-gay marriage isn't revenge. "Do not be overcome by evil". Gay marriage is biblical evil. Salt is a preservative. "You are the salt of the earth" Matt 5:13
Captain-3C: Also, -"let he who has not sinned cast the first stone," Have U read all of John 8? Bible calls adultery sin. Christians are to consider it sin, thereby 'judging', deciding right & wrong. Jesus-"Go, and SIN NO MORE." He considered it sin. He called her to repent (change her mind) & have fruits worthy of repentance (Matt 3:8) by not doing it. Does he hate her? No. The "love UR neighbor" isn't against believing/sharing/acting on what a person thinks about 'sin'. Gal 6, Matt 18, etc.
Captain-3B:MacArthur cont -Jn 8-"External evidence representing a great variety of textual traditions is decidedly against its inclusion, for the earliest and best manuscripts exclude it. Many manuscripts mark the passage to indicate doubt as to its conclusion. Significantly, No Gr. church father comments on this passage until the twelfth century. The vocabulary and style of the section also are different from the rest of the gospel, and the section interrupts the sequence of v. 52 with 8:12ff."
Captain-3A: "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"-MacArthur Study Bible on Jn 7:53-8:11:"This section dealing with the adulteress most likely was not a part of the original contents of John. It has been incorporated into various manuscripts at different places in the gospel [of John] (e.g., after vv. 36,44,52, or 21:25), while one manuscript places it after LUKE 21:38." CONT...
3A) It's very convenient to pick and choose but it's basically the same way the modern translators compiled the bible in the first place so I guess I can't hold this against you.
Captain#2: MODERN TRANSLATORS didn't pick the Bible books. Manuscript evidence shows more reliability to older manuscripts. TRANSLATORS didn't pick the books in the first place & it wasn't modern. The Bible suppose to be divinely inspired, not a mass collection of everything claiming to be such. There were rules to use & not always as liberals have asserted. These are common attacks against the Bible, but are weak in most cases. Have U studied good conservative works on this?
Captianb#1- Me pick & choose? YOU loosely used the Bible incorrectly, I replied, U don't want to dialogue about them. After all I shared- U shared nothing, but charged me with misuse of the Bible thru an empty charge. Is this the respectful disagreement U referred to B4? Liberals pick & choose incorrectly quite often. They give too much credibility to the Gnostic writings like Gospel of Thomas, etc. GOT is a horrible work & is anti-woman (Saying 118- women have to become men to get eternal life)
Captain-2: "love thy neighbor"- Does love equal approve of whatever they want? Logic & Bible says no. If someone doesn't agree with gay marriage/relationships, do they automatically HATE GBLT people? Much of the liberal scene, including the GBLT political groups & people would say yes (I know this 1st hand & etc) & use the slanderous loaded language of anti-gay/gay bash/hate/hater/clobber passages- all pictures of violence. Eph 4:15- speak TRUTH in LOVE. Biblical love speaks & acts against error
Captain-1: The passages U used are used by non-Christians incorrectly to condemn deciding truth from error, etc. I will go through each in the next posts. Note SSA=Same Sex Attracted/'GBL':
I appreciate your views as an individual but I respectfully disagree. In our secular society, Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It's simply a legal document which gaurantees certain rights and benefits to a couple. If a church doesn't want to marry a same sex couple based on religious beliefs, then that's their perogative, but the LAW should treat all law abiding citizens fairly and without discrimination. My beliefs notwithstanding, the bible shouldn't determine the laws of the land.
Captain-PT 2:To give liberals & most GBLTs a free pass & conservative not to be active in the public square, with their convictions is inconsistent & incorrect. Society will be governed by moral & ethical code, & for the Christian, it should be a Christian moral ethic. Biblically, imposing immorality in law, schools, is not healthy for society & it has gone against Christians.
"Righteousness EXALTS a nation. Sin is a DISGRACE to ANY people." Prov 14:34 NASB
Captain-PT 1:Thanks for respectful discussion. I appreciate it. As more & more of the gay agenda (Yes, agenda, even though some GBLT differs on some of it. Get After The Ball by gay authors Kirk & Madsen, used on Amazon) is to change society, & redefine marriage. They push in society & in religious circles, & in general shout 'hate/bash/clobber/etc' to anyone who doesn't agree. It is part of a bigger goals & not good. Morality will ALWAYS be in laws, it's just WHOSE moral ideas will be used.
To all the mormon haters out there, we have the right to believe what we want in this country. If you think your attacks are going to negatively affect us, you are sadly mistaken. The attacks will only make our resolve stronger to uplift the principles we cherish and protect the rights of our family and fellow man.
Heyaitsjohn, you ROCK! Doncha just love the Mormons now paying millions upon millions to support Prop 8?? Just watch the LDS apologetics make huge excuses for what they did when the heat gets too hot in the media. They totally screwed themselves on this one!
kealii77....you are very mistaken. The internet expositor combined with Romney's run, Ballards request to defend moism on the internet, and political action taken by LDSinc. is doing great damage to the future of moism. Kids rabidly defending moism today on the internet will leave in unprecedented rates. The exodus has already begun. That is one of the reasons why LDSinc. has requested that people like you STOP having discussions like this on the internet. It is very counterproductive.
kealii77-U said: "To all the mormon haters out there". Please understand that when you use verbally emotional cliches like "Mormon haters", or "anti-Mormon", "Mormon bash", non-Mormons who don't like your church can point at the Mormon Church & U as "antigay", "gay haters", "gay bashers", whether U & UR church hate gays or not. Not all who oppose your church's doctrines, moral standards, etc., hate. I have seen gays & Mormons label others as haters, etc., way too easily & been wrong many times
Leave the Saints alone. I've left the Church and all the anti-LDS, anti-Mormon stuff is so very shallow!
I've been hanging out with non-Mormons and there are actually people who believe that Mitt Romney can save America out of the ditch we're in right now because of his political and corporate past. Now, that's depth.
Forgive me if I'm wrong and offend you, but I'll assume from your myspace page that you are gay. Someone from the gay community should know more than most that organizations like LDSinc. are not benign. They have beliefs that they are not afraid to impose on all, not just believers. I don't know how long you have lived behind the Zion Curtain, but you should know how drastically church policy affects state policy.
So you think it is shallow to fight an organization that openly bashes homosexuality and you are gay? Take off the ol' water wings and you might just be surprised how deep the pool is.
i just want to say that i m a mormon and that i dont care if people think that were crazy, but rather that people assume all these things that aren't true. So if u dont like us, then fine i dont really care, but if u go around spreadin crap then just make sure you've got ur facts straight
What do you think people are assuming is untrue? Joseph Smith 'translating' the BOM by placing magic rocks in the bottom of a tophat, putting his face into the tophat so that he could read the words of the BOM that drifted up out of the magic rocks? Do you think that is untrue?
the BOM is not a replacement to the bible, its just another book testifying of christ. And Mitt Romney was trying to convince Christians that Mormons also believe in Christ, thereby making us CHRISTians not that we believe the same things.
But you do admit that Joseph Smith 'translated' the Book of Mormon by placing magic seer stones into a tophat and sticking his face in it, right? I mean....we need to agree on truths about Joseph Smith so that crap you talk about doesn't get spread, right?
Okay....so if you agree to that, and that is what this video is about....I quess I'm a little confused as to what you think people are assuming about Mormonism that isn't true? Did it ever cross your mind that they aren't assuming anything? I would argue that if you can not laugh your ass off at Mormonism you do not understand Mormonism.
Mormons didn't consider themselves Christian until it became politically expedient for them to do so. It is quite easy to find quotes from prophets and apostles supporting this. Look at me here....trying to have a conversation based in actual factual information with someone who thinks that Joseph Myth looking in a hat was the part he got right!
i would like to see these quotes because i have had no knowledge of them if they truly exist. and i know and hope u know that Joseph Smith didn't literally look into a top hat, but that is how he described it on the video
Comedy is not that. You are not funny by not respecting people. We are not from canadia we are from Canada you moron. And the Book of Mormon is not a lesser version of the Bible, just take the time to read it...Speaking about something you know nothing about makes you look like a mere MORON.
Sure....respecting people like how Mormons respect indiginous people? Claiming delusional racist histories for them rather than letting their own geneologies and historical achievements speak for themselves? And all of this indiginous disrespect comes from the bottom of a tophat? Too funny. Joseph Smith was called a prophet dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!
You ruined you whole video if you are gonna show the faults of a religion dont look like theres also no hope for you--go ahead drink thy beer and let some women go down on you----yeah I think mormons will run to your view from serving god to following sinful life style like yours----before you try to remove the speck in your eye first remove the beam in yours--so you can clearly see to help your brother remove his--COME TO JESUS.
Had to be there for what? Joseph looking in the hat? Well....people were there. The LDS church admits that this is the manner that the BOM was 'translated'. Were you not aware of this?
He was talking about how Joseph Smith placed his face in a tophat to look at magic rocks that showed the words of the Book of Mormon to him in a 'spiritual' light. True story. Funnier than hell.
"I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left." -- Joseph Smith, prophet of God and founder of the Mormon church
The fact you think Canadians live in igloos makes your credibility zero. I've lived in Canada 56 years, travelled much of the world; never been in an igloo. Your guesswork of J Smith's experiences, similarly ridiculous. If you've "never tasted a strawberry", you don't know what it tastes like. Crude people can't experience subtle, exquisite areas - gifts of the spirit, revelation. 13,000,000 folks aren't wrong. Many discover this as adults, not "brainwashed" kids. Sad you're missing out.
"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat,and put his face in the hat,drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine.A piece of something resembling parchment would appear,and on that appeared the writing.One character at a time would appear,and under it was the interpretation in English.Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery...Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by...power of God...(Ensign,Jul 1993,61)
The fact that many mormons do indeed know that Joseph Myth 'translated' the BOM by placing his face in a hat and looking at magic rocks while continuing to defend the non-dividend paying LDS corporation is not funny Silas2 - it's actually kind of scary.
Ha haa hha ha haa haaaa what the ?
oncom2008 1 week ago
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CaptainBerz 3 weeks ago
Joseph Smith stuck his head into his old white hat in which also resided his pet rock. Out of this lie popped the polygamous polytheistic god and Jesus of Mormonism. Joe also conjured up the absurd and easily disproved "Book of Abraham". Sadly, Joe was in error concerning every hieroglyph and in dating by some 1700+years. It takes a lot of blind faith to be Mormon. Mormonism is the perpetual "Presence of an Absence".
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
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mitt romney's head is FULL OF SHIT
mitchthemich 2 months ago
Wow. Clearly, this pervert has nothing of value to say about neither politics nor religion. My only regret is that I did not stop watching until about 60 seconds in. I want my 60 seconds back.
andrewspain15 3 months ago
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@andrewspain15 -- ROMNEY'S 2012 PLAN CUTS MEDICARE--Ron Paul’s plan cuts $1 trillion the first year & balances the budget in 3 years. The plan cuts spending by ending the costly foreign wars, and cuts foreign welfare, corporate welfare, and overgrown federal bureaucracy. These cuts are made so that those who are dependent on domestic spending programs such as Medicare aren’t endangered through a sudden change in benefits. Romney’s plan cuts Medicare, on which many elderly Americans rely.
vechorik 2 months ago
If the 3 Nephites and John the beloved never tasted of death, this means: a) The priesthood was never lost from the earth. b) No complete apostasy could have occurred. c) No need for a priesthood restoration from heaven and no need for J Smith. d) Joseph fabricated the whole damn thing and fabricated Mormonism.
This is one of many reasons why orthodox christianity struggles with Mormonism
cindyisa10 3 months ago
The guy who made this video is a complete Bigot. When chosing a religion one should look at what good that religion is doing today and not focus on rumors of the past. Many religions have done much worse things then have a leader look into a top hat.
johnhale50 9 months ago
@Ingle92protege Marriage at that age was common in the 1800's. Idiot.
lj2387 9 months ago
Joe had his seer stone in his hat and his head, too. But not the gold plates. They were down the road somewhere
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege it was for pro-creation and family, otherwise, wouldn't you think Brigham Young would have avoided having sex with wives during there periods and/or use varied ways of birth control (it did exist back then just not as perfect as we use birth control today). Brigham Young had 57 children and most other polygamist families did as well it pro-create. I know you don't understand that, and many others likes you just think it's about the carnal desire of sex, but whatever
Splintermetalgear 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege I know a lot about the church and nothing you say will shock me.... Let me give you this, even IF polygamy was about people getting there "rocks off" and doing it for just the sex (though I don't believe that at all) what really is the difference between that and any other person in the world today having multiple pre-martial relationships, girlfriends, wives, etc etc? When polygamy did exist it was for pro-creation and family continued....
Splintermetalgear 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege I have read the D&C before I am not an idiot. There is no polygamy in the temple wtf are you talking about? Pretty sure I am LDS not FLDS.. LDS is what you claim Mormons are. FLDS are the excommunicated people from the LDS church that continue to practice polygamy when it's against the law. If you mean sealed to multiple spouses because a previous wife died, then yes you are right, but we can't be sealed to more than one living spouse at a time.
Splintermetalgear 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege By the way, it is recorded on MANY accounts both Mormon and non-mormon that Joseph didn't have any "sexual" relationships with his wives other than Emma. Emma even almost denied to the grave that he married multiple wives. There are no reports out there (other than anti-mormon propaganda) historians from both in and outside the church that state that he had sexual relations with anyone but his wife. I have read the D&C and understand it clearly. Anyway nice talking
Splintermetalgear 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege Ha ha well you just misunderstand... make sure you aren't a Jew, Muslim, or any other Christian because they all believe in Abraham. Abraham had many wives (two for certain Haggar and Sarah) Issac had many wives and so did Jacob, so make sure you are not religious at all. You are so simple minded that you don't understand that it isn't about the sex, it's about pro-creation not the carnel mind of humans that all they think is about having sex for pleasure. continued...
Splintermetalgear 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege Ha ha you are just showing how ignorant and naive you are... you do know that in the 1800's the average marriage of a woman was right after puberty? 14-18 years old... LOL!!! Of course these days it's viewed as barbaric and "pedophilia" but back then it was "normal" to marry that young. And men usually got married at 15 - 16 years old. LOL! Oh and by the way Joseph Smith had 32 wives, get your facts straight especially if you are trying to smear mormon's. (I am Mormon)
Splintermetalgear 1 year ago
some how I get the feeling that Trixie`s real name is Bob , Alfie or maybe Quentin?
paulspydar 1 year ago
Where did you get this information? I mean is there a reason that you really dislike Mormons? I mean you have personal distaste for them, but it would have better if you can have some actual real information to back your claims. ( I enjoyed the Canadain comments though.)
walterkeathley 1 year ago
Joseph Smith was but one of many so-called prophets to come out of 19th century America. The First Amendment obviously protected his right to invent all manner of absurdity piled on absurdity. And why did Joseph Smith, an illiterate, see fit to say that god spoke to him? Well, for one, it was a perfect cover for his seeking gold, which he never did find. The more one reads of American sectarian offshot religions, the more one is amazed by such credulity and inanity!
whiff1962 1 year ago
Pre-columbian horses continued:
Gloria Farley, "Petroglyph of Epona" housed in Columbus Museum of Arts and Science, Columbus, GA . In Plain Sight, (Columbus, GA, 1994 (342)
Berry Fell. "White limestone of horse head" discovered in North Salem, NY. "Book Saga America". 1980 (57).
"White bearded man on horse" Temple of Palques, Chichen Itza, Yucatan, Mexico.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
So a drawing that appears to be of a horse is 100% proof positive that Pre-Columbian horses existed. Right... Where's the petroglyphs of sheep, cows, oxen, etc mentioned in the BOM as well. More importantly, where are their remains?
The "White bearded man on horse"? For starters he wasn't on a horse. Nice try! Secondly, how do you know he's white? You merely assume he is because of the beard. While not overly common, Native Americans can and do grow beards.
Epic Fail!
dfwsunking 1 year ago
Where's my coat? The one with the suede! lol
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
So that's a total of 12k changes that the BIBLE underwent! 6000 verses alone were removed in 1611. Still wanna play that arguement, moron?
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
This is so frigging hilarious!!! I <3 u Mark!!! BTW..... The accent is so super sexy!!!!
MistressInked 1 year ago
Good humor.
Appology accepted.
Mormans=sheep
drylander3024114 1 year ago
your not funny at all by the way.
IBG67 1 year ago
holy shit. you have won the award for MOST ANNOYING VOICE on youtube.
IBG67 1 year ago
Did you know that Moses also used the same stones????
You guys are grasping at straws!
Pathetic!
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
@LDSapologist71
Moses supposedly used the Urim and Thummin (stones attached to a breastplate). How did Joseph fit the Urim and Thummin inside his top hat? Must have been a pretty large hat!
Joseph didn't use the Urim and Thummin like you and others like to claim. He used a peepstone (not stones) and he used his hat. If he was using the Urim and Thummin, his hat wouldn't have been necessary. Are you saying Moses used a top hat too?
You're the one grasping pal!
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
Stones = object of discussion
hat = not object of discussion.
use of hat... who cares?
Power of God? YES!
You still fail.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
No, hat is an object of discussion for various reasons:
1. He used the same means (hat and stone) for his treasure seeking activities
2. He didn't "translate" the BOM. He divined it.
3. The church deliberately obfuscates this fact as its not "faith-promoting"
4. Given the means of "translation" reading the words in the hat to his scribe and only if they wrote it down correctly would a new set of words appear, there's no margin for error. Yet the BOM has nearly 4,000 changes
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
no he didn't divine it, he translated it. You cannot back up your statement with any sort of documentation.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
Wrong!
"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe." (continued)
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
"and when it was written down and repeated to brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear." David Whitmer (An Address to All Believers in Christ)
1. Joseph didn't do any translating. He merely read what the words in the hat said. That's divining
2. Given the means of transcription, there is no margin for error. Why the nearly 4,000 changes for the "most correct of any book"?
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
you still aren't answering the question. You still can't show any proof the book was "divined."
= FAIL
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
And you're ignoring mine. Let's read from the dictionary shall we?
Divination - Discovery of what is hidden or obscure by supernatural or magic means.
When Joseph Smith used his hat and stone to look for treasure, he was using divination. When he used the same hat and stone to produce the Book of Mormon, he was... (repeat after me) DIVINING!
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
The plates exist, too bad they were still in their possession the entire time the translation was occuring. Also it still reads on David Whitmers gravestone "The record of the Nephites and the Jews are ONE."
nuff said.
Oh and I did hear you, I'm just correcting you where you err, which seems allot. You won't be able to dictate my beliefs to me.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
Yes, they are very real in the spiritual imagination of Whitmer, Cowdery, and Harris and others who claimed they saw them with their "spiritual eyes". Furthermore, according the Whitmer and Harris, the plates were never used in translation. Once again, repeat after me... Divined!
You claim to hear me but once again you're avoiding the question. Given the means of transcription why does the "most correct of any book" have nearly 4,000 changes?
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
You saying the bible didn't undergo any changes? Ok then!
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
I'd even guess the bible has gone thru 3 times as many over the centuries.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
I'm aware of the numerous Biblical changes which is why you use the term "as far as it is translated correctly". The Book of Mormon doesn't have that caveat. If it came from God, there's no margin for error. Instead of calling it the "most correct of any book", you should call it the most corrected of any book.
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
The changes never changed the meaning of the text. if they were to help create clarity for the reader, but the meaning within the text never changed. Our own language has changed dramatically over the last 200 years too I might add.
Politically Correct idealism has only been around in the last 10 years. The LANGUAGE keeps on changing.
the book of Mormon message THAT JESUS is the Christ, The Son of God, remains the SAME!
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
Keep making excuses. None of the changes weren't recent to catch up with our language. What new terms are in the Book of Mormon that weren't around then? None!
As far as the politically correct idealism changes that keeps changing the last 10 years. What new changes has the Book of Mormon undergone as a result? None
For the BOM to be "true" God must be an idiot who can't translate properly, and sends Moroni 5,000 miles to deposit plates that are never used. Brilliant!
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
talk is cheap, and your debunked anti mormon tactics won't work on me.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@LDSapologist71
Debunked? Let's recap shall we? What have you "debunked"?
Joseph Smith using a Urim and Thummin instead of a stone and hat? Nope!
The Book of Mormon being the "most correct" of any book? Another nope please!
Joseph Smith didn't divine the Book of Mormon. 4 letter word, rhymes with dope. Nope!
Thanks for playing though. We have some lovely departing gifts...
Debunking Mormonism. 15 minutes on the internet could save you 10% of your gross income. So easy a caveman can do it!
dfwsunking 1 year ago
@dfwsunking
lol
and then you woke up
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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@dfwsunking -- As late as 2005 & 2006, Romney made jokes like this? "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman … and a woman … and a woman," Romney quipped at the 2005 St. Patrick's Day breakfast in Boston. He made the same joke on Don Imus' 2006 St. Patrick's Day show. Romney's family tree has lots of polygamy. and his father was born in Mexico. He's currently trying to convince the Tea Party he's a good Christian who will reduce the debt.
vechorik 3 months ago
Your accent is retarded...
lmaozedong99 2 years ago
Romney's Mormon cult prays to a false space alien Jesus.
MrKeyes2012 2 years ago
Galatians 1:8 (KJV bible)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Hinkley, mormo president said "no I do not believe in the traditional christ. The traditional christ of who they speak is NOT the christ of whom I speak. For the christ of whom I speak is revealed in this the dispensation of the fullness of times." Deseret news, June 20th 1998.
solomanspamming 2 years ago
Haha you haven't proven any points here buddy. To make a real point you will have to show that the Mormons contradict the teachings that were preached; the teachings of the bible. You won't be able to find any contradictions though so again you have proved absolutely nothing except that the Mormon church is not like other churches.
Twarrior4 2 years ago
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Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Mormon Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
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conceil8 2 years ago
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Question: if mormons are so against crosses being associated with their church, and claim its because the commandment says not to worship any graven images why are there hundreds of inverted pentagrams all over the salt lake and navou temples?
solomanspamming 2 years ago
Did you know that Joseph smith was arrested in 1826 for pretending he could find treasure by putting stones and his face in a hat, Breed'um Young said that if a man should marry a negro he should be killed on the spot, there are hundreds of inverted pentagrams all over the salt lake and navou temples, google it, dont take my word for it
solomanspamming 2 years ago
shutup you dont kno anything im a mormon and everything tht you just said is a liee!!!! people dont listen to him i kno the real facts
flygrl15 2 years ago
that's what all mormons say
eclipse245 2 years ago
Hahahaha!!! To the fine people of...Canadia
3:25
Artavios 2 years ago
It's obvious that this person thinks mormons and the mormon faith is very important. And guess what - he is right!
zuki2536 2 years ago
Hahahahaha! You're funnier than HE is! I understand your confusion - you are mixing up the word "stupid" with "important" - don't worry, Mormons do it all the time.
vivalaleta 2 years ago
This is about the most boring and offensive video I have seen.
Simple sarcastic attitude by author makes me feel like anything this guy touches is fatal.
LeadThePeople 2 years ago
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This is Joseph Smith's Gospel to have sex with minors
Helen Mar Kimball -age 14,Married May 1843 To -Joseph Smith age 37
LDS MORMON LAW of POLYGAMY
D&C 132:61 ...if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second,and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
maybe the budget is low is because he has a hard time finding patrons of bigotry.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
A MORMON PROPHET Teaching MORMONS ON BECOME GODS and MAKING there OWN PLANETS & WORLDS : )
Brethren 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225, 000 of you may become GODS. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe.And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make,worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000 (LDS PROPHET Spencer W. Kimball, The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood, Ensign, Nov 1975, 77).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Christ HIMSELF taught that we were 'gods'.
John 10:34
In Acts 17:29 we are taught that we are the offspring of God-- we are His literal children. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Read the entire chapter of Psalms 82!
We are JOINT-HEIRS with Christ--and will sit on a THRONE:
Romans 8:17
Revelations 3:21
Seems like you need to refer to your bible at least as much as you quote modern-day prophets...you might have to reject the bible, too.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
MORMONS BECOME GODS
Journal of Discourses, Vol.22, p.125, George Q. Cannon, October 31,1880: ... if we obtain celestial glory in the fullest sense of the word, then we have wives and children in eternity, we have the power of endless lives granted unto us, the power of propagation that will endure through all eternity, all being fathers and mothers in eternity; fathers of fathers, and mothers of mothers, kings and queens, priests and priestesses, and shall I say more? Yes, all becoming GODS.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
haha I love how you completely ignore what bland just showed here. Typical though, u completely lose that point so instead of addressing this problem with ur argument, you just throw out some other random quote to "shock" people. Once you're shown where the bible accounts for this you'll probably throw out an often misquoted passage from the JoD stating Adam is God or something false or twisted like that. Let's stick to the subject at hand, how can you account for what Christ said about Godhood?
bfree456 2 years ago
A CON MAN!
"Was not Joseph Smith a money digger?"
Yes,but it was never a very profitable job for him,as he only got fourteen dollars a month for it.(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
Section Three 1838-39, p.120)
Joseph Smith would put the SEER STONE into a HAT,and put his face in the HAT,drawing it closely around his face(LDS MORMON CHURCH MAGAZINE Ensign,Jul 1993,61)
On March 20,1826...On court records he is referred to as "Joseph Smith the Glass looker."The charge:disturbing the peace.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
MORMONS HAVING SEX IN HEAVEN,GET PLANETS & BECOME GODS
Joseph F. Smith Jr,Doctrines of Salvation,Vol.2,p.48:
...To become like him we must have all the powers of GODhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one ...There is no end to this development; it will go on forever.We will become GODS and have jurisdiction over worlds,and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.We will have an endless eternity for this.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
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In 1812 Solomon Spaulding's The Manuscript Found:
Hamack then arose & in his hand he held a STONE which he pronounced transparent. Thro' this he could view things present & things to come...& behold discover HIDDEN TREASURES, secluded from the eyes of other mortals...Such was the clearness of his sight, when this transparent STONE was placed before his eyes...
Joseph Smith would put the SEER STONE into a HAT,and put his face in the HAT,drawing it closely around his face...(Ensign,Jul,1993,61)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
this guy may want to get a life. he has way too much time on his hands
collinr77 2 years ago
this is great
kissmyfarmer 2 years ago
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The MORMON CHURCH said Blacks can't cast off there SKIN OF BLACKNESS even if a Black Man REPENTS or washes with SOAP!
For instance,the descendants of Cain cannot cast off their skin of blackness,at once,and immediately, although every soul of them should repent...Cain and his posterity must wear the mark which God put upon them;and his white friends may wash the race of Cain with fuller's soap every day, they cannot wash away God's mark...
-LDS Publication,The Millennial Star,vol.14, page 418
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
amandac said if I wanted to write as much to PM her. I did. It ended w/her blindly contradicting herself, which many liberals do by saying not to judge, but then hate, insult, demean, demonize others. Amandac called me kind of an *sshole, etc. If she says I don't have the authority to say X(which she did here), that's 'judging'. Not even liberals can go without judging. Judging is either deciding right from wrong, etc. A SEPARATE sense is to condemn. I can decide w/o condemning or hating people
harry4health 2 years ago
I hope they *DO* build one of their butt fugly temples in the Eternal CIty of Rome. Who's going to attend it? It will stand out like a turd in a bowl of milk.
Besides, everyone else will be too busy seeing St. Peter's and the Sistine Chapel.
Turandot29 2 years ago
bizarre.
fletchenator1 2 years ago
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I'm loving it!
elementindustrial 2 years ago
Heh. Funny vid. Joseph Smith, a married man, didn't need any miniature top hat hookers because he conned some 33 women into having sex with him under the guise of "spiritual wifery" or "celestial marriage." Gotta hand it to Smith. He sure knew how to run a good con.
Turandot29 2 years ago
5 top hat hookers
hi Trixie!
GrubbyGert 2 years ago
I'm mormon and this is something that I don't say much but FUCK ALL OF YOU.
GuitarGuy4813 3 years ago
GuitarGuy-U said:"I'm mormon and this is something that I don't say much but FUCK ALL OF YOU."
Oh dear, a potty mouth, hypocritical Mormon. The B9ible condemns UR attitude & insults- Eph 4:15, 1 Cor 13:4-5 (New KJV ), Col 4:5-6,. Gal 5:19-22. If U can't engage UR mind & resort to immature, empty screeds, it's better not to shame UR 3 Gods of Father, Jesus & Holy Ghost (Ensign 3/2008 p 68) & UR church. U said "ALL"- I never said anything against LDS Church here. Why don't U read my posts, toots
harry4health 3 years ago
Well, Obama is against gay marriage, and he surely pandered to religion & used religion to get votes. It gores to both major parties in my country, the USA. McCain barely mentioned God, Jesus, etc., while Obama surpassed him by leaps. Then again, Obama's 'Christianity' is rooted in an extreme nutjob, J. Wright & the crazy Trinity UCC. Yeah, BO missed ALL of the radical trash Wright ever preached in 20 years, missed the TUCC website's crap, too. Bunch of BS from BO.
harry4health 3 years ago
Apparently Obama is for gays in the military though, so I wouldn't judge him too harshly on his "Christian" views pertaining to gays.
captainbryce1 3 years ago
captainbryce-I don't trust Obama for much of anything. He will probably do some good things, but I don't bet on anything on gays in the military. His mind is poisoned from 20 years in a radical liberal church, he disabled his credit card verification on his website so illegal contributions could flow in & broke his promise to take public financing when he knew he could rake in more money without it. His views on homosexuality aren't Christian.
harry4health 3 years ago
What do you think are the right "Christian" views on homosexuality?
captainbryce1 3 years ago
captainbryce1-I think the only Christian view is the Bible's:
-Adam & Eve created & "Therefore a MAN shall leave his FATHER and MOTHER and hold fast to HIS *WIFE*, and THEY shall become one flesh." Gen 2:24
-Lev condemns man2man sex twice
-NT Jesus quotes Gen 2:24, affirming it
-Rom 1, 1 Cor 6:9 condemn it.
-Eph 5: Apostle Paul, a former Jewish clergyman, affirms 2 parent home with mother & father
-Jewish & Christian sections (OT & NT) affirm ONLY heterosexual marriage, never same sex marriage
harry4health 3 years ago
As a Christian myself, I accept what is in the NT. And your quotes from Jesus valid as they may be do not specifically condemn homosexuals. Paul is really the only one who does in the NT (several times over) but nowhere does he or anyone else say bible that gays shouldn't be treated fairly or that they should be discriminated against.
captainbryce1 3 years ago
Captain-#3: Does Bible's God treat same sex attracted people fairly in the Bible that deals with SSA & marriage? Does he discriminate? Bible's God would never approve of gay marriage, adoptions, or promoting it in schools, etc. Marriage is in the Bible for love and/or to have a sound environment to raise kids, companionship (Gen, Eph 5) between man & woman. Good book: "The Homosexual Agenda" by Alan Sears & Craig Osten.
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-#2: Paul condemned M2M/F2F sex & lust in Rom 1.Paul in 1 Cor 6:9 also condemns M2M sex. Paul wrote most of the NT, so just because he is said to be the only one isn't a sound point. Christians don't need anymore than what is written. UR use of the 'discrimination & treated fairly' ideas come from the world. Marriage is not a right. "Righteousness EXALTS a nation. Sin is a DISGRACE to ANY people." (Prov 14:34 NASB)
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-#1: A common mistake is to speak about the Bible condemning homosexuals. That frames it wrong. The Bible condemns male2male & female2female sex. NT Jesus AFFIRMS man2woman marriage in Matt 19:5. They already have the background & religion of Judaism, so the moral standard underpinning Lev 18-22; 20-13 is still there, along with the Hebrew standard of M2F marriage. The Leviticus penalties did not transfer to the church, but the moral standard against M2M sex & for M2F marriage did
harry4health 2 years ago
To be honest, there is no way we can debate this issue on a short post forum like this so it's pointless to try. Suffice it to say that we clearly have a difference of opinion as to what is considered "Christian" and how we are supposed to treat each other. To that end I'm just going to say thank you and God bless. My final thought is, if you disagree with something religiously, but it doen't affect your life or your relationship with God, then you shouldn't be imposing your beliefs by law.
captainbryce1 2 years ago
Captian-We can continue by YT email, if U want
If "sin is a disgrace to any people", then I don't see it as wrong to be salt & light to that culture. Evangelism is #1 for Christians (Matt 28), but I don't see it as wrong. If U study enough on the 'gay politics' issue, it DOES effect lives of Christians, their kids/families/freedoms. It's documented fact & I KNOW it locally. Please read "A Biblical Point of View on Homosexuality" by Kirby Anderson & the book I already recommended. Take care
harry4health 2 years ago
The bible says, love thy neighbor, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, vengence is mine saith the Lord, judge not lest ye be judged, we have all fallen short of the glory of God and "whosoever believith in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" (with no stipulations about sexuality). To me all of that means that we are all equals and there should be no discrimination against gays!
captainbryce1 3 years ago
Captain-8-B-Just because all sin, doesn't excuse the sin, or teaches for Christians & others to give a free pass to sin-based laws redefining what the Bible establishes as marriage. The Bible teaches to judge/decide right/wrong, truth/error. This doesn't mean that it isn't done from love & concern. 1 Tim 2:15-"correctly handling the word of truth"
harry4health 2 years ago
harry4health 1) It's not up to us to judge sin and the LAW shouldn't be based on religion (seperation of church and state). Legal marriage has nothing to do with God in the eyes of the state, therefore the state has no cause for practicing discrimination. If a church feels like gay marriage is a violation of their beliefs and they choose to discriminate against gays, so be it. But a court has no right to do that and there is no way to justify that by using the bible.
captainbryce1 2 years ago
Captainb2-UR use of separation of church & state is a liberal one. I used to believe it, but no longer. The secular & religious left has used Jefferson's private letter as the 1st Amendment & get it wrong. Please study that from the other side. Neither side is infallible, but the conservative side is on better footing. The idea that Christians should not vote or act from their Christian convictions is foreign from the majority, or any, of the founders & is not what the 1st Amendment meant
harry4health 2 years ago
Captainb1-If U check Bible I used, it is right for Christians to judge rightly (John 7:24). John the Baptist publicly called the king on 'immorality'. The law issue is 1 thing, but Bible does NOT teach Christians shouldn't judge sin. By calling it sin, U already judged it as wrong/sin. So, what UR saying is that liberal religious people & secularists can do what conservative Christians & other conservatives can't, or shouldn't? Who is asking for special rights? I hope U study conservative works
harry4health 2 years ago
You have played fast and loose with the Bible. Look at John 7:24 in context. Read all of John 7. "Judging rightly" is not referring to judging other people but to finding what is RIGHT.
You also refer to John the Baptist and Herod. John the Baptist was a prophet of God and spoke for Him. Are you? Then you have no authority to judge someone else. That's God's job. 1 Cor 4:4-5 You can say sin is wrong, but you cannot judge the sinner. And of course, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Mt 7:1
amandacalifornia 2 years ago
amandac--4:U used 1 Cor 4:4- Paul was an apostle of God. Are you? Then U have no right to apply that to U or others. I just used your argument on U. He was also a Christian. Why do U apply that to non-Christians? U forgot 1 Cor 5:1-8. This spoke of IMMORAL BEHAVIOR, as the Bible teaches homosexuality is (Kirby Anderson, A Biblical View of Homosexuality, books by Joe Dallas). Paul told THE CHURCH to "that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you". See also JESUS in Matt 18
harry4health 2 years ago
1) Excuse me, don't quote me Bible verses like I am ignorant of them. I know the Bible. And fuck, if you had so much to say to me then send me a PM. I didn't even bother to read your 10 comments in reply to my 1.
2) And 1 Cor 6:9-10: I do not use the ESV Bible. Mine says "male prostitutes." There are various translations and opinions on its true translation, so that's a weak argument.
I have read every passage about homosexuality, and I DO think its clear anything outside of marriage is a sin.
amandacalifornia 2 years ago
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harry4health 2 years ago
amanda-1)U accused me of 'playing fast & loose w/Bible'-please don't cop a prideful attitude (anti-biblical) when U get some of UR own medicine
2)Each YT post is approx 3 LINES in an email. If U can't handle reading 18 lines in an email, that's not my fault. I assumed U could handle it
3) Using only 1 Bible is unwise. ESV is accurate to the Greek. U using only 1 Bible is a weak argument. Have U read the books on why 1 Cor 6:9 condemns homosexual relations? I've read 1,000s of pages on both sides
harry4health 2 years ago
amandac- 1 Cor 6:9 in the NIV, which is the version you may have referred to doesn't JUST have "male prostitutes". It says the following: "nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS". See RSV & NASB- "homosexuals". The Greek has 2 words. The ESV combined them. "Homosexuals" should center, following the Greek, to the actions.
harry4health 2 years ago
amandac-3:U used Matt 7:1. U need to study GREEK. 'Judge' in 7:1 Greek has more than 1 definition. Matt 7:5 says to make sure UR dealing with UR own issues before dealing w/others. If UR dealing w/URself, "THEN you WILL see clearly TO REMOVE the speck from your brothers eye.", & 7:15 where Jesus says to JUDGE claimed prophets- U can't "BEWARE of false prophets", if U don't know their false. Jesus then says to JUDGE them by their fruit (Deut 13 & 18:2 major fruit: their prophecies & doctrine)
harry4health 2 years ago
amandac-2:U play fast & loose with my words & the Bible. John 7 has the context of truth vs error. Jesus spoke a true principle and applied it to his situation. I didn't say anything about condemning the person, but judging righlty on the belief, actions. THAT is the context of John 7.
Paul also spoke of "another Jesus" & false gospels (2 Cor 11, Gal 1)- he was an apostle, but he also wrote "IMITATE me as I imitate Christ". He also exposed what he taught was immorality in Rom 1, 1 Cor 6:9-10.
harry4health 2 years ago
amandac-1:U didn't read my words very well at all. I said, the "Bible does NOT teach Christians shouldn't judge SIN." Where did say to judge the PERSON? I SAID "SIN". Don't U know the difference between the sin & the sinner?
Please read my words for what they say. U misrepresented my words when I was quite plain & U had NO reason to misunderstand or misrepresent me.
harry4health 2 years ago
amandacalif-INTRO-2:Professing Christians can judge the behavior, doctrine, as 'sin' without condemning individuals. However, the Bible DOES teach consequences for what the Bible calls immoral behaviour, false doctrine on God, 'salvation', which basically comes down to what they do with Jesus as Lord (Rom 4-5:1; 10:9-10, John 1:12, Eph 2:1-9, 1 Cor 6:10)
In my former post, I mentioned 'SIN'-"Bible does NOT teach Christians shouldn't judge SIN."
harry4health 2 years ago
amandacalif-INTO-1:"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who PRACTICE homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you WERE washed..sanctified ...justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit" 1 Cor 6:9-10 ESV
Accept or reject-that's what it says
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-8-A: "To me all of that means that we are all equals and there should be no discrimination against gays!" Yes, to U it does, but what do they teach? WE are all equally HUMAN. ACTIONS aren't equally valid, true, or beneficial to individuals or society (Bible & facts). None of those passages teach that since we are equally human, that dismisses 'sin'. None teaches not to decide truth/error, right/wrong & sharing & acting on those convictions & to speak TRUTH in love (Eph 4:15)
harry4health 2 years ago
You're missing the point. WE are not the judges of sin, God is. You are in essense saying that we SHOULD BE discriminating against gays because they are sinners and that is what God wants. And that is completely wrong (based on the bible).
captainbryce1 2 years ago
Captainb-The Bible teaches that Christians should call sin what it is-doctrinal or moral. It's another thing what should be done via law, but that point is unbiblical, or perhaps even antibiblical.
I don't think the OT penalties are valid for the church, but did Yahweh God discriminate against those who has M2M sex in Lev?
The Bible says "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a DISGRACE to ANY people." So it means, it is a DISGRACE (judging), but don't do anything about it, if U can?
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-7: "'whosoever believith [sic] in him shall not perish but have everlasting life' (with no stipulations about sexuality)." NT teaches saved by grace thru faith alone(Eph 2). Rom 10:9-10 says IF U confess "Jesus AS LORD", etc= saved. Jesus:"IF you love me, you WILL obey", 1 Cor 6:9-those who PRACTICE these things (ACTIONS, not attractions) won't inherit God's kingdom. Acts 17:30-"God..now commands all men everywhere to repent". Does the professing SSA Christian desire to obey Bible?
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-6: "we have all fallen short of the glory of God". Yes, but it doesn't say to allow homosexuality to be normalized in society through gay marriage, schools, Hollywood, politics, etc. Even with Rom 12, Romans 1 condemns same sex relationships. Christian parents' kids get influenced by what they are doing in schools, TV, etc. Bible teaches we fall short. It also teaches to expose darkness (Eph 5:10-11), publicly call sin sin (John the Baptist), be salt & light in the world (Matt 5:13,14).
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-5B- Moses (Deut 13 & 18), Jesus (Matt 7:15; 24:24, Jn 4:23-24), Paul (Acts 20:28-31/1 Cor/2 Cor 11:3-5,13-15/Gal 1:6-9 & all Gal/Eph 5:10-11/Titus 1:9), Peter (2 Peter), Jude (Jude 3, all Jude), John (John 4:23-24/1 Jn, Rev 2:2; 21:8,27; 22:15) exposed error & told Christians to do so, as the Bible shows. Paul named names 3 times. To know moral, doctrinal, etc, truth from error, we must decide, in that sense, judge. Aren't they who say don't do it judge those they say not to judge?
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-5A:U:"judge not lest ye be judged"
Bible's Jesus says-judge righteously (John 7:24) & in Matt 7:15-23 says to "BEWARE of FALSE prophets", "they are ravening wolves". Then he teaches to know the true & false prophets by their fruits (their doctrine of God & 100% prophecy fulfillment record-Deut 13, 18, test by scripture-Acts 17:11). Paul exposes error & false teachers. Insulting is wrong, sharing why we disagree is right. Eph 4:15, Titus 1:9
harry4health 2 years ago
Capt-4: "vengeance is mine saith the Lord,"
Rom 12:19:Context? Vs 17-"Do not PAY BACK evil FOR EVIL" (vs 17). Vs 18-"Never take *your own* REVENGE, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written,'VENGEANCE is Mine, I will REPAY,' says the Lord." Vs 20-Feed your ENEMY if he's hungry, etc. Vs 21-Overcome *evil* with good." Anti-gay marriage isn't revenge. "Do not be overcome by evil". Gay marriage is biblical evil. Salt is a preservative. "You are the salt of the earth" Matt 5:13
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-3C: Also, -"let he who has not sinned cast the first stone," Have U read all of John 8? Bible calls adultery sin. Christians are to consider it sin, thereby 'judging', deciding right & wrong. Jesus-"Go, and SIN NO MORE." He considered it sin. He called her to repent (change her mind) & have fruits worthy of repentance (Matt 3:8) by not doing it. Does he hate her? No. The "love UR neighbor" isn't against believing/sharing/acting on what a person thinks about 'sin'. Gal 6, Matt 18, etc.
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-3B:MacArthur cont -Jn 8-"External evidence representing a great variety of textual traditions is decidedly against its inclusion, for the earliest and best manuscripts exclude it. Many manuscripts mark the passage to indicate doubt as to its conclusion. Significantly, No Gr. church father comments on this passage until the twelfth century. The vocabulary and style of the section also are different from the rest of the gospel, and the section interrupts the sequence of v. 52 with 8:12ff."
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-3A: "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"-MacArthur Study Bible on Jn 7:53-8:11:"This section dealing with the adulteress most likely was not a part of the original contents of John. It has been incorporated into various manuscripts at different places in the gospel [of John] (e.g., after vv. 36,44,52, or 21:25), while one manuscript places it after LUKE 21:38." CONT...
harry4health 2 years ago
3A) It's very convenient to pick and choose but it's basically the same way the modern translators compiled the bible in the first place so I guess I can't hold this against you.
captainbryce1 2 years ago
Captain#2: MODERN TRANSLATORS didn't pick the Bible books. Manuscript evidence shows more reliability to older manuscripts. TRANSLATORS didn't pick the books in the first place & it wasn't modern. The Bible suppose to be divinely inspired, not a mass collection of everything claiming to be such. There were rules to use & not always as liberals have asserted. These are common attacks against the Bible, but are weak in most cases. Have U studied good conservative works on this?
harry4health 2 years ago
Captianb#1- Me pick & choose? YOU loosely used the Bible incorrectly, I replied, U don't want to dialogue about them. After all I shared- U shared nothing, but charged me with misuse of the Bible thru an empty charge. Is this the respectful disagreement U referred to B4? Liberals pick & choose incorrectly quite often. They give too much credibility to the Gnostic writings like Gospel of Thomas, etc. GOT is a horrible work & is anti-woman (Saying 118- women have to become men to get eternal life)
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-2: "love thy neighbor"- Does love equal approve of whatever they want? Logic & Bible says no. If someone doesn't agree with gay marriage/relationships, do they automatically HATE GBLT people? Much of the liberal scene, including the GBLT political groups & people would say yes (I know this 1st hand & etc) & use the slanderous loaded language of anti-gay/gay bash/hate/hater/clobber passages- all pictures of violence. Eph 4:15- speak TRUTH in LOVE. Biblical love speaks & acts against error
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-1: The passages U used are used by non-Christians incorrectly to condemn deciding truth from error, etc. I will go through each in the next posts. Note SSA=Same Sex Attracted/'GBL':
harry4health 2 years ago
I appreciate your views as an individual but I respectfully disagree. In our secular society, Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It's simply a legal document which gaurantees certain rights and benefits to a couple. If a church doesn't want to marry a same sex couple based on religious beliefs, then that's their perogative, but the LAW should treat all law abiding citizens fairly and without discrimination. My beliefs notwithstanding, the bible shouldn't determine the laws of the land.
captainbryce1 3 years ago
Captain-PT 2:To give liberals & most GBLTs a free pass & conservative not to be active in the public square, with their convictions is inconsistent & incorrect. Society will be governed by moral & ethical code, & for the Christian, it should be a Christian moral ethic. Biblically, imposing immorality in law, schools, is not healthy for society & it has gone against Christians.
"Righteousness EXALTS a nation. Sin is a DISGRACE to ANY people." Prov 14:34 NASB
harry4health 2 years ago
Captain-PT 1:Thanks for respectful discussion. I appreciate it. As more & more of the gay agenda (Yes, agenda, even though some GBLT differs on some of it. Get After The Ball by gay authors Kirk & Madsen, used on Amazon) is to change society, & redefine marriage. They push in society & in religious circles, & in general shout 'hate/bash/clobber/etc' to anyone who doesn't agree. It is part of a bigger goals & not good. Morality will ALWAYS be in laws, it's just WHOSE moral ideas will be used.
harry4health 2 years ago
To all the mormon haters out there, we have the right to believe what we want in this country. If you think your attacks are going to negatively affect us, you are sadly mistaken. The attacks will only make our resolve stronger to uplift the principles we cherish and protect the rights of our family and fellow man.
kealii77 3 years ago
Then I have the right to believe I can marry another man, and you can't say anything about it :D
Heyaitsjohn 3 years ago
You have the right to believe it but you cannot marry a man marriage is defined as between a man and a woman after all so sorry
myra20008 3 years ago
well you have the right to believe in your religion, but you can't practice it. It's all lies after all anyway :D
Heyaitsjohn 3 years ago
I agree, Heyaitsjohn!! Marry away!!
SRPaulsen 3 years ago
Heyaitsjohn, you ROCK! Doncha just love the Mormons now paying millions upon millions to support Prop 8?? Just watch the LDS apologetics make huge excuses for what they did when the heat gets too hot in the media. They totally screwed themselves on this one!
qualityfemale 3 years ago
kealii77....you are very mistaken. The internet expositor combined with Romney's run, Ballards request to defend moism on the internet, and political action taken by LDSinc. is doing great damage to the future of moism. Kids rabidly defending moism today on the internet will leave in unprecedented rates. The exodus has already begun. That is one of the reasons why LDSinc. has requested that people like you STOP having discussions like this on the internet. It is very counterproductive.
moreexmo 3 years ago
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harry4health 3 years ago
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kealii77-U said: "To all the mormon haters out there". Please understand that when you use verbally emotional cliches like "Mormon haters", or "anti-Mormon", "Mormon bash", non-Mormons who don't like your church can point at the Mormon Church & U as "antigay", "gay haters", "gay bashers", whether U & UR church hate gays or not. Not all who oppose your church's doctrines, moral standards, etc., hate. I have seen gays & Mormons label others as haters, etc., way too easily & been wrong many times
harry4health 3 years ago
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Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.
fuuunnnn 3 years ago
enjoyed your video uncle fester
ALLPAC85 3 years ago
Leave the Saints alone. I've left the Church and all the anti-LDS, anti-Mormon stuff is so very shallow!
I've been hanging out with non-Mormons and there are actually people who believe that Mitt Romney can save America out of the ditch we're in right now because of his political and corporate past. Now, that's depth.
ldsdaniel 3 years ago
Forgive me if I'm wrong and offend you, but I'll assume from your myspace page that you are gay. Someone from the gay community should know more than most that organizations like LDSinc. are not benign. They have beliefs that they are not afraid to impose on all, not just believers. I don't know how long you have lived behind the Zion Curtain, but you should know how drastically church policy affects state policy.
moreexmo 3 years ago
Yeah, I'm very well aware of that. Thanks, I'm not interested tho.
ldsdaniel 3 years ago
So you think it is shallow to fight an organization that openly bashes homosexuality and you are gay? Take off the ol' water wings and you might just be surprised how deep the pool is.
moreexmo 3 years ago
i just want to say that i m a mormon and that i dont care if people think that were crazy, but rather that people assume all these things that aren't true. So if u dont like us, then fine i dont really care, but if u go around spreadin crap then just make sure you've got ur facts straight
NAPIproductions 3 years ago
What do you think people are assuming is untrue? Joseph Smith 'translating' the BOM by placing magic rocks in the bottom of a tophat, putting his face into the tophat so that he could read the words of the BOM that drifted up out of the magic rocks? Do you think that is untrue?
moreexmo 3 years ago
the BOM is not a replacement to the bible, its just another book testifying of christ. And Mitt Romney was trying to convince Christians that Mormons also believe in Christ, thereby making us CHRISTians not that we believe the same things.
NAPIproductions 3 years ago
But you do admit that Joseph Smith 'translated' the Book of Mormon by placing magic seer stones into a tophat and sticking his face in it, right? I mean....we need to agree on truths about Joseph Smith so that crap you talk about doesn't get spread, right?
moreexmo 3 years ago
yes, Joseph Smith translated the BOM from an indigenous language inscribed on gold plates by using 'seer stones' that is a truth he got right.
NAPIproductions 3 years ago
Okay....so if you agree to that, and that is what this video is about....I quess I'm a little confused as to what you think people are assuming about Mormonism that isn't true? Did it ever cross your mind that they aren't assuming anything? I would argue that if you can not laugh your ass off at Mormonism you do not understand Mormonism.
moreexmo 3 years ago 2
Wat he's assuming in this video is that Mormons aren't Christians. Even though the definition of 'Christian' is 'one who worships Jesus Christ'
NAPIproductions 3 years ago
Mormons didn't consider themselves Christian until it became politically expedient for them to do so. It is quite easy to find quotes from prophets and apostles supporting this. Look at me here....trying to have a conversation based in actual factual information with someone who thinks that Joseph Myth looking in a hat was the part he got right!
moreexmo 3 years ago
i would like to see these quotes because i have had no knowledge of them if they truly exist. and i know and hope u know that Joseph Smith didn't literally look into a top hat, but that is how he described it on the video
NAPIproductions 3 years ago
Comedy is not that. You are not funny by not respecting people. We are not from canadia we are from Canada you moron. And the Book of Mormon is not a lesser version of the Bible, just take the time to read it...Speaking about something you know nothing about makes you look like a mere MORON.
sidanie 3 years ago
Sure....respecting people like how Mormons respect indiginous people? Claiming delusional racist histories for them rather than letting their own geneologies and historical achievements speak for themselves? And all of this indiginous disrespect comes from the bottom of a tophat? Too funny. Joseph Smith was called a prophet dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!
moreexmo 3 years ago
i liked this one hehe
soni408 3 years ago
Bible version 1.0 rofl
dardo1201 3 years ago
i gief eet 5 tawp haat hewkers!! Fuck the haters!
yearealsmrt 3 years ago
You ruined you whole video if you are gonna show the faults of a religion dont look like theres also no hope for you--go ahead drink thy beer and let some women go down on you----yeah I think mormons will run to your view from serving god to following sinful life style like yours----before you try to remove the speck in your eye first remove the beam in yours--so you can clearly see to help your brother remove his--COME TO JESUS.
rightlydivide08 3 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Are you drunk? Zombie Jesus eats yet another brain. Sad.
moreexmo 3 years ago
Guess you had to be there. Guess he was?
billfurd1 3 years ago
Had to be there for what? Joseph looking in the hat? Well....people were there. The LDS church admits that this is the manner that the BOM was 'translated'. Were you not aware of this?
moreexmo 3 years ago
WTF was he talking about!!??? wasted time from my life!
billfurd1 3 years ago
He was talking about how Joseph Smith placed his face in a tophat to look at magic rocks that showed the words of the Book of Mormon to him in a 'spiritual' light. True story. Funnier than hell.
moreexmo 3 years ago
May 18, 1843
"I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left." -- Joseph Smith, prophet of God and founder of the Mormon church
Ilegalplayer 3 years ago
The fact you think Canadians live in igloos makes your credibility zero. I've lived in Canada 56 years, travelled much of the world; never been in an igloo. Your guesswork of J Smith's experiences, similarly ridiculous. If you've "never tasted a strawberry", you don't know what it tastes like. Crude people can't experience subtle, exquisite areas - gifts of the spirit, revelation. 13,000,000 folks aren't wrong. Many discover this as adults, not "brainwashed" kids. Sad you're missing out.
ronjonsurf26 3 years ago
Joseph Smith was called a prophet dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!
moreexmo 3 years ago
Why does your page say that your 17 if you've lived in Canada for 56 years? Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!
moreexmo 3 years ago
diaf mormons.
KingMike7 3 years ago
"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat,and put his face in the hat,drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine.A piece of something resembling parchment would appear,and on that appeared the writing.One character at a time would appear,and under it was the interpretation in English.Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery...Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by...power of God...(Ensign,Jul 1993,61)
Ilegalplayer 3 years ago
The fact that many mormons do indeed know that Joseph Myth 'translated' the BOM by placing his face in a hat and looking at magic rocks while continuing to defend the non-dividend paying LDS corporation is not funny Silas2 - it's actually kind of scary.
moreexmo 3 years ago